I'm new to e skateboards but I am looking to pick up a lacroix board. I do want to ask if there's any advantage to doing this over keeping the belt drive.
@lacroix adventures At 5:09 you don’t mention installing the adapter to the face of the motor, be sure to add this in. I felt like an idiot trying to install the motor to the red plate without it LOL Also, I used a little white lithium grease to help slide the axles in the trucks since metal on metal and low tolerance was a bit tight. After that lightly tapped in the axles with a mallet it went in smooth At 7:45 don’t forget the retaining ring on the bearing and be very gentle when putting the white gear on the axle or else you can pop the retaining ring off which is very annoying When installing the o ring I found a touch of super glue to hold one end in place was helpful
@@RickAnderson1 It's a matter of DIY skills. The same thing if someone buys a car; some just put gas in it and others disassemble the engine and reassemble it just for fun.
I noticed that the gentleman installed cap screws to attached the Hub adapter to to the POM gear, is this something specific to the Aluminum Hubs. I have the plastic hubs and the adapter does not have any screws holding it to the POM gear. Doesn't seem necessary since everything seems to be help captive bay the axle nut. Interested in the answer, thanks
Hey Justin, yes you should have those screws. They align the POM gear with the motor gear inside the case and makes sure it's always exactly in the right spot. You don't see it from the outside from run the Falcon long enough without them and something will fail for sure.
we have been riding them for 1 year now and so far there has been no damage or modification of the gear, besides, the metallic ones are much noisier and can cause problems. They are made of hardened steel and POM. Polyoxymethylene (POM), also known as acetal polyacetal, and polyformaldehyde, is an engineering thermoplastic used in precision parts requiring high stiffness, low friction, and excellent dimensional stability. We are pretty confident in using this material instead of metal. let us know if you would like to receive more information about the product
Has anybody broken the pom gear yet. How is compared to steel when jumping? I liked everything about these drives but the plastic gear...if a tooth breaks it will surley faceplant you if it gets wedged between pinion and drive gear and for this reason its a no sale for me. Spend the extra money and go hardened steel. Pom is great for alot of other things like a rc truck but even then the first thing you upgrade is the gears to metal for dependability.
The drives are designed so that if the POM fails (we have not seen that happen yet), the screws holding the motor will take the hit and the motor will pop off. So no lock ups and no faceplant.
@@TheArchDelux seems like one would faceplant and the motor would fall off "all at the same time". What a bad day that would be. Plastic doesn't last forever like metal gears. If pom is so good why not make the pinion gear pom aswell.
If grease gets on a bolt or in a screw hole, whatever are your suggestions to ensuring the screw stays in? What should we do if a bolt snaps in the casing?
Well ''loctite-ing" those bearings in place in each housing was terrifying. I only had the blue/med& red/high strength permatex gel on hand. I opted for the blue. If you don't have a super small paint brush or like me don't trust yourself with a small paintbrush with threadlocker on the end of it...I used a Q-tip, some heat shrink and a heat gun to make an applicator. The tube shrunk around the cotton ball and half way down the stick worked great. The cotton swab end covered in the shrink made a smooth little bulb that was good for dabbing tiny dots of the stuff around the edge of the bearing and the stick part (?) of the cotton swab covered shrink made a decent squeegee of sorts. I got a thin even coat even using the gel type thread locker and avoid sullying the gasket & bearing. I'm 99.9% sure it worked anyway. Will see in the morning Thanks for uploading this video and making the instructions available by the time my order showed up. Oh yeah and thanks to everyone at LaCroix for continuing to be simultaneously such bad asses, so gosh darn helpful all the time & for the amazing machines y'all are cranking out .... It's made that last year infinitely more bearable for this guy. Carry on. 🤘🏼
I hope that they will mount this in factory for the future. Which RIM do you have, I am asking you that because the valves seem to be on the internal side of the wheel, so do you need to unmount wheel from Falcon to control or inflate your tires?
@@tamataroa well I learned a couple things when I was installing that bearing and yeah I second the emotion of hoping that's installed at the factory for the future shipments because it's been the one thing along with getting the gear mesh adjusted correctly that is worried me. So when you're getting that bearing sealed to the aluminum your ceiling an active metal which is the bearing surface that steal or stainless steel that's an active metal and you're trying to lock it into an inactive metal which is an anodized aluminum so I asked a couple questions about this from support I heard they use green loctite in the shop I don't know if that's specifically for this bearing or not I tried blue permatex and I went to install everything in the bearings popped out after letting them cure for 36 hours I also had them curing in my apartment which never gets above 66° f so I also learned for proper cure with loctite you need 24 hours at 72° F so I've been running the heater with all the vents closed except in the bathroom and kept the casings with the bearings in the bathroom for 36 hours after reapplying thread locker . Technically according to the literature For thread lockers there's some kind of primer you can pay you can paint on to the anodized aluminum inactive metal to help it adhere or lock into the active metal like steel that is the surface of the bearing I didn't learn that until after reinstalling them a second time and using different thread locker... This time using red thread locker. I then installed the casings and the bearing was still moving around it didn't pop out like it did the first time and cause the motor to have an extra resistance because the bearing wasn't slotted in place correctly. I just pushed it into place and let it sit for another 24 hours. I'm praying to God the damn thing doesn't fall out or cause any problems when I actually go to hot these things up. As far as the side that valve stem is protruding from I have regular MBS hubs and I can just flip the inner tube around so the you know pull the tire off and if your valve stems point in the wrong direction pull the tube out of the tire put it flip it put it back in so it's pointing out to the other side where you can get at it to adjust your tire pressure without having to remove the wheel assembly. For me the bigger issue is those kenda tires.. while they're excellent high performance tires that are fairly well balanced I get treads showing through and have had tires deflate on me mid ride from putting about 120 mi on them. which for me is 3-4 rides. so having to change my tires every 4 or 5 days just got a little too much so I went ahead and shopped on AliExpress and all over the place I found some cheap 8-in scooter tires that are heavier not anywhere near as well balanced as the kenda's but I can put 400 miles on them before they start to show the tread being completely worn away and threads showing through and that's when I get worried I'm going to blow a tire while I'm riding again so to counteract the balancing issue I used the glass beads that you can insert into the inner tube glass balancing beads and I've had the same tubes I've been switching between tires on my lone Star for the last 5 months and the same balance beads in the same inner tubes. I've just been switching the tubes with the balance beads between tires and that has worked to balance the wheel so when I'm pushing 30-35 mph I don't get any kind of wobbles because the area around the valve stem and the tire itself isn't quite as balanced... but I'm getting a lot more mileage out of these you know tires I'm getting for eight bucks a piece on AliExpress then I ever did out of the kenda's. But that's just because of how I ride and how much I weigh. Hopefully not TMI. and I hope I answered your question but yeah you should just be able to flip that inner tube around get the valve stem pointing out the other direction but I'm not sure how it works on the hyper rims. I'm saving money for a super sport. so I didn't opt to upgrade to the hyper rims but this install of Falcon drives is taking me 5 days now and I just put the grease in and I'm letting the loctite set on the bolts for the gear cases. I've actually got an extra set of hyper trucks and motors that I've been installing everything on so tomorrow I'm going to pull the enclosure off and install the new set of rear hyper trucks & motors with the Falcon drives which will hopefully exceed my wildest dreams LOL. I'm sure they'll be amazing if I got the gear mesh correct..Goodness, I spent hours lamenting over the gear mesh. we'll see how it goes! good luck!
@@quentinplatt Hi Quentin, it was nice to read your long message, and REX on Falcon and Locite game ;-) On my side the workaround is more radical: I've preferred to sell my board rather than go into a spiral loop with quality check, DIY process on equipment that you pay at premium price, beta testing @ 700 USD... I've go so many bad experience with quality from factory , since August 2019, bushing, motors, tires, tubes, etc... that I won't add any coin into Falcon experience. I do not trust in them about test and quality, let see how motors, POM, pulley, loctited bearings would resist after 90 days. I think that the best thing to do is upgrade Lacroix's with third party (XCell) hardware, let see if Matt is going to work on his own gearbox.
@@quentinplatt I'm reaaaaally hoping they put it on at the factory. I just emailed support insisting on this. Hell, I'd gladly pay for the labor, I just can't fathom putting this shit on myself lol
The sealing compared to most other drives is fantastic
Thanks Matthew!
I need to know the size of that bearing that goes in the white 59 tooth gear
I'm new to e skateboards but I am looking to pick up a lacroix board. I do want to ask if there's any advantage to doing this over keeping the belt drive.
Man for that price take the upgrade
Thank you for the Vid👍🏼
You are welcome buddy.
@lacroix adventures
At 5:09 you don’t mention installing the adapter to the face of the motor, be sure to add this in. I felt like an idiot trying to install the motor to the red plate without it LOL
Also, I used a little white lithium grease to help slide the axles in the trucks since metal on metal and low tolerance was a bit tight. After that lightly tapped in the axles with a mallet it went in smooth
At 7:45 don’t forget the retaining ring on the bearing and be very gentle when putting the white gear on the axle or else you can pop the retaining ring off which is very annoying
When installing the o ring I found a touch of super glue to hold one end in place was helpful
Thank you Grant! We will add a side note for that,
Can I install on on mew jaws 2.0? How much of a speed difference does it make?
You can hit 40mph on the Falcons. With gears will vary from 34mph to 45mph depending on gearing.
It actually be really cool if I could buy the board unassembled and build the whole thing myself.
No problem Andrew. You can ask this when you will buy your board
there's nothing cool about that. That would be a living fking diabolical nightmare.
@@RickAnderson1 It's a matter of DIY skills. The same thing if someone buys a car; some just put gas in it and others disassemble the engine and reassemble it just for fun.
piece of art
How to remove wheel with flacon gear drive?
Hi Leo we will drop a tutorial about it this week. Stay tuned !
@@lacroixadventures2009 Thank you!
No mention of Grease?
All the information are in the description
@@lacroixadventures2009 it does not say how much grease or the type of grease that should be added?
Can I use the Falcon Gear on the street or does it have to be on rough terrain?
It's good on any terrain. Street or offroad, it's bombproof.
@@lacroixadventures2009 Thanks
I noticed that the gentleman installed cap screws to attached the Hub adapter to to the POM gear, is this something specific to the Aluminum Hubs. I have the plastic hubs and the adapter does not have any screws holding it to the POM gear. Doesn't seem necessary since everything seems to be help captive bay the axle nut. Interested in the answer, thanks
Hey Justin, yes you should have those screws. They align the POM gear with the motor gear inside the case and makes sure it's always exactly in the right spot. You don't see it from the outside from run the Falcon long enough without them and something will fail for sure.
Would've been nice to get a set of all metal gears instead. Even if kept well greased, plastic will eventually wear out.
we have been riding them for 1 year now and so far there has been no damage or modification of the gear, besides, the metallic ones are much noisier and can cause problems. They are made of hardened steel and POM. Polyoxymethylene (POM), also known as acetal polyacetal, and polyformaldehyde, is an engineering thermoplastic used in precision parts requiring high stiffness, low friction, and excellent dimensional stability. We are pretty confident in using this material instead of metal. let us know if you would like to receive more information about the product
@@lacroixadventures2009 - Thanks for the info. Time will tell how plastics will hold up. Proper adjustment of the gear mesh is important.
random question, are the hypertrucks wider than the trucks on the jaws, and is there any worry of wheelbite / toebite?
Yes they are. No worries about wheelbite or toebite on either.
i do wonder, do you get the falcons because belts require more maintenance, or is it something else?
They are better with dealing with rocks and street debris (which can rip belts).
How do you do it with mbs rims I fell like I'm missing a.part
Has anybody broken the pom gear yet. How is compared to steel when jumping? I liked everything about these drives but the plastic gear...if a tooth breaks it will surley faceplant you if it gets wedged between pinion and drive gear and for this reason its a no sale for me. Spend the extra money and go hardened steel. Pom is great for alot of other things like a rc truck but even then the first thing you upgrade is the gears to metal for dependability.
The drives are designed so that if the POM fails (we have not seen that happen yet), the screws holding the motor will take the hit and the motor will pop off. So no lock ups and no faceplant.
@@TheArchDelux seems like one would faceplant and the motor would fall off "all at the same time". What a bad day that would be. Plastic doesn't last forever like metal gears. If pom is so good why not make the pinion gear pom aswell.
If grease gets on a bolt or in a screw hole, whatever are your suggestions to ensuring the screw stays in? What should we do if a bolt snaps in the casing?
I do mostly off-road rides. Would you say that gear drive is less likely to break or cause problems when faced with sand, dust and humidity?
We suggest you gear drive if you do off-roading, that way you will not have to deal with broken belt ;) .
Well ''loctite-ing" those bearings in place in each housing was terrifying.
I only had the blue/med& red/high strength permatex gel on hand. I opted for the blue.
If you don't have a super small paint brush or like me don't trust yourself with a small paintbrush with threadlocker on the end of it...I used a Q-tip, some heat shrink and a heat gun to make an applicator.
The tube shrunk around the cotton ball and half way down the stick worked great. The cotton swab end covered in the shrink made a smooth little bulb that was good for dabbing tiny dots of the stuff around the edge of the bearing and the stick part (?) of the cotton swab covered shrink made a decent squeegee of sorts.
I got a thin even coat even using the gel type thread locker and avoid sullying the gasket & bearing.
I'm 99.9% sure it worked anyway. Will see in the morning
Thanks for uploading this video and making the instructions available by the time my order showed up.
Oh yeah and thanks to everyone at LaCroix for continuing to be simultaneously such bad asses, so gosh darn helpful all the time & for the amazing machines y'all are cranking out .... It's made that last year infinitely more bearable for this guy.
Carry on. 🤘🏼
I hope that they will mount this in factory for the future.
Which RIM do you have, I am asking you that because the valves seem to be on the internal side of the wheel, so do you need to unmount wheel from Falcon to control or inflate your tires?
@@tamataroa well I learned a couple things when I was installing that bearing and yeah I second the emotion of hoping that's installed at the factory for the future shipments because it's been the one thing along with getting the gear mesh adjusted correctly that is worried me.
So when you're getting that bearing sealed to the aluminum your ceiling an active metal which is the bearing surface that steal or stainless steel that's an active metal and you're trying to lock it into an inactive metal which is an anodized aluminum so I asked a couple questions about this from support I heard they use green loctite in the shop I don't know if that's specifically for this bearing or not I tried blue permatex and I went to install everything in the bearings popped out after letting them cure for 36 hours I also had them curing in my apartment which never gets above 66° f so I also learned for proper cure with loctite you need 24 hours at 72° F so I've been running the heater with all the vents closed except in the bathroom and kept the casings with the bearings in the bathroom for 36 hours after reapplying thread locker . Technically according to the literature For thread lockers there's some kind of primer you can pay you can paint on to the anodized aluminum inactive metal to help it adhere or lock into the active metal like steel that is the surface of the bearing I didn't learn that until after reinstalling them a second time and using different thread locker... This time using red thread locker.
I then installed the casings and the bearing was still moving around it didn't pop out like it did the first time and cause the motor to have an extra resistance because the bearing wasn't slotted in place correctly.
I just pushed it into place and let it sit for another 24 hours.
I'm praying to God the damn thing doesn't fall out or cause any problems when I actually go to hot these things up.
As far as the side that valve stem is protruding from I have regular MBS hubs and I can just flip the inner tube around so the you know pull the tire off and if your valve stems point in the wrong direction pull the tube out of the tire put it flip it put it back in so it's pointing out to the other side where you can get at it to adjust your tire pressure without having to remove the wheel assembly.
For me the bigger issue is those kenda tires.. while they're excellent high performance tires that are fairly well balanced I get treads showing through and have had tires deflate on me mid ride from putting about 120 mi on them.
which for me is 3-4 rides. so having to change my tires every 4 or 5 days just got a little too much so I went ahead and shopped on AliExpress and all over the place I found some cheap 8-in scooter tires that are heavier not anywhere near as well balanced as the kenda's but I can put 400 miles on them before they start to show the tread being completely worn away and threads showing through and that's when I get worried I'm going to blow a tire while I'm riding again so to counteract the balancing issue I used the glass beads that you can insert into the inner tube glass balancing beads and I've had the same tubes I've been switching between tires on my lone Star for the last 5 months and the same balance beads in the same inner tubes.
I've just been switching the tubes with the balance beads between tires and that has worked to balance the wheel so when I'm pushing 30-35 mph I don't get any kind of wobbles because the area around the valve stem and the tire itself isn't quite as balanced... but I'm getting a lot more mileage out of these you know tires I'm getting for eight bucks a piece on AliExpress then I ever did out of the kenda's.
But that's just because of how I ride and how much I weigh. Hopefully not TMI.
and I hope I answered your question but yeah you should just be able to flip that inner tube around get the valve stem pointing out the other direction but I'm not sure how it works on the hyper rims.
I'm saving money for a super sport.
so I didn't opt to upgrade to the hyper rims but this install of Falcon drives is taking me 5 days now and I just put the grease in and I'm letting the loctite set on the bolts for the gear cases.
I've actually got an extra set of hyper trucks and motors that I've been installing everything on so tomorrow I'm going to pull the enclosure off and install the new set of rear hyper trucks & motors with the Falcon drives which will hopefully exceed my wildest dreams LOL. I'm sure they'll be amazing if I got the gear mesh correct..Goodness, I spent hours lamenting over the gear mesh. we'll see how it goes! good luck!
@@quentinplatt
Hi Quentin, it was nice to read your long message, and REX on Falcon and Locite game ;-)
On my side the workaround is more radical: I've preferred to sell my board rather than go into a spiral loop with quality check, DIY process on equipment that you pay at premium price, beta testing @ 700 USD...
I've go so many bad experience with quality from factory , since August 2019, bushing, motors, tires, tubes, etc... that I won't add any coin into Falcon experience.
I do not trust in them about test and quality, let see how motors, POM, pulley, loctited bearings would resist after 90 days.
I think that the best thing to do is upgrade Lacroix's with third party (XCell) hardware, let see if Matt is going to work on his own gearbox.
@@quentinplatt I'm reaaaaally hoping they put it on at the factory. I just emailed support insisting on this. Hell, I'd gladly pay for the labor, I just can't fathom putting this shit on myself lol
Does this work with Jaws?
No it won't :(