The Rise, Demise, and Redemption of Chris "Booyah" Brackett | HUNTR Podcast
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
- In this episode of HUNTR Podcast, we're excited to have Chris Brackett on the show to talk about his journey over the last few years. Chris is known to be one of the most popular outdoor television personalities, and is an absolute killer when it comes to mature bucks. After some controversial leaks in 2019, Brackett was charged for violating the Lacey Act which led him to experience "his worst fear." Chris shares his story with us, explaining the ups and downs he's had in his career, and what the future looks like moving forward. Enjoy this episode as we get to know Chris and hear his perspective on everything. Ladies and gentleman, Chris "Booyah" Brackett!
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Watched his show years ago so i listened to the whole podcast. It was good of him to let it all out. It was hard podcast to finish with his personality and lack of humility for a "faithful Christian"
Arrow affliction was a highlight of my childhood, nothing beat waiting for it to come on every Friday night!!!
Pretty awesome
This podcast made my brain hurt😂😂. My man was all over the place. I’d say he’s more bipolar than autistic. He’s up, he’s down, he’s gonna punch a dude in the face, but he’s hard to get mad, he loves life, he hates everything etc…etc…. 😅😅
I saw the reason he was going back and forth a couple of times, at least. Lots to cover and understand . All about one's mindset
Chris says they STOLE footage from me and turned it in. They stole it 🤣 it’s not consider steeling when you’re turning a crime in.
Great episode guys! First time chiming in, you guys keep stepping it up, and to Chris if your reading, thanks for telling your half.
“I’ve shot too many 130” 8 points to care.” If someone’s that far gone you need to leave the sport. I like this podcast but they seem to side with the well off tv guys too much for me. These tv guys ruin it for us regular people. Some of us do care, a broken sinful person would admit their wrongs. Not compare a hunting violation to a dui.
Couldn't listen much past the intro where he said he would use tannerite or his truck to kill deer if it was legal! No respect for the animal. Just because its legal doesn't make it morally right to do so. He just reinforced my perception I had of him in the past. Maybe i'll listen to the rest later but I doubt it. Still one of the best hunting podcast out there.
Yep no respect for wildlife at all by those comments of his.
This guy got kicked off the ASA pro/am 3D archery tour for using range finding binoculars in an unknown yardage class. 😂🤣
30 minutes in and dude has talked negatively on Wadell, Bowmar, and Higgins… guy lives in shame and think he’s gotta try to bring others in the industry down to his level 👎
Well, yeah, I don’t like them. I don’t have to like them most of you don’t like me.
Great podcast guys and much respect for Chris as he put it out there and told us many details on his side of an experience that he did not have to share. He spoke of personal ups and downs and made things public and I respect him for the courage to to this. Chris, I wish you all the best and I look forward to what you bring to the outdoor world in 2024. Happy Holidays guys and all the best to you and all of your loved ones in 2024.
By far one of the greatest episodes yet, such an amazing story to hear especially for someone my age 24 that grew up watching all of the shows he was on and always wondering the true story of what happened to Chris. On top of the inspirational part of it and him really talking about how much he has changed his life and came realize what his true purpose is. Amazing episode guys!
Im usually more of a fan of the better back and forth conversation podcasts yall do but it didnt get even the slightest bit boring just listening to him tell his story 90% of the episode
Really appreciate it man. We were here like you all for much of this podcast just tee it up and listen
God Bless you Chris! Arrow affliction was and is the best show ever!
Hey Guys.. Just found your Podcast!! Absolutely love it. I’m a 63 yr old Hunter from Mid Michigan.. Flint area. We have some dandy deer here!! Have been a Chris Brackett fan since he started showing up!! It takes a lot for someone to go on the air, and bare their soul…. Thx Chris!! And thank you guys for such a great podcast!! You have a new fan in Michigan!!
Since your from Michigan what’s your opinion on the Rompola buck real or fake I think it is the real world record but jealous hunters and Bias so called Bc scorers ruined this man and deer
I don't have a problem forgiving a guy for screwing up. One thing I don't get is to go on a podcast to ask for forgiveness then try to take jabs at Don higgins and josh bowmar? I don't like either one from a hunting content standpoint but not sure chris is in position to bash anyone. Idk
Great episode guys! Much more appreciation for Chris and his story.
Thanks for a great episode Guys. I've followed Chris for years and I met him for the first time last year. He is such a great Guy.
Best podcast to date for me, boys. All of HUNTR totally Killin it. Thanks, and thank you, Chris.
Appreciate it man
Keep it up fellas. You guys are doing great things. Love listening to you guys.
I’m BACK subscribed; your content during PRE-RUT here in West TN got in my head, my private surrounded by free shooting hunters, 100” average ‘good buck’ it was better 4yrs ago, y’all are Blessed! Thank You good discussions!
I loved watching Arrow Affliction and liked watching all of Chris's shows. He was a heck of a bow shooter. The trick shots he did was amazing. Glad to see him come out talk about this incident. After listening to this podcast, it's really changed my view of him. I know people make mistakes, but he's just a giant blow hole. He never once was apologetic about what he did. He tried to blame others and his past (abusive dad..etc..etc) for his actions while trying to praise Jesus. To blame sponsors for leaving him when his incident happened is pretty sad. Why would any sponsor hang around him when those videos showed up. Sounds like Huntr and him are teaming up for future projects, very sad for Huntr. Poor Jared sounds like he's in love with Chris.
Nailed it!
I got to meet him 1 time and to sum it up he was a complete asshole. After watching this it's clear he's got an ego problem and he can't man up to the shit in his past instead of blaming everyone else. But yet he magically found God afterwards which to me I see as just a facade. But hey maybe him and CJ can team up since they both like poaching deer
He didn't say anything wrong about what he done in any way that implied he was innocent of the charges. Unless I was watching something different than you, he said the whole situation was a blessing . And as a Christian , he should be praising Jesus!! We all live in a glass house so watch out throwing stones!!
I don’t know if I’ve ever heard someone talk in circles so much in my life. Almost 0 humility or accountability. I’m glad he came on to tell his side though. Even if he did execute the 5 D’s of dodgeball whenever the uncomfortable came up. I’m happy he seems to have cleaned up his act but I think he has a ways to go before the man in the mirror is the man he thinks he is.
This was honestly the first podcast where we seen transparency at full capacity! Full respect to all 3 of you in this podcast, this wasn’t easy but it’s a heavy weight lifted. Chris Brackett, heartfelt and sincere and has no ego, we can all be better and do better and we do it together!
It was a lot laid out there which is about as good as we could have expected
@@HUNTRPOD one more thing to touch on the content aspect of things, Chris Brackett made content that you could watch over and over and be intrigued. Content nowadays I find myself and many others skipping through the dull moments and there is the same thing flooded with the same energy. We grew up on content that was action packed filled with energy. I find myself watching more sheep hunts and other high energy hunts that are very non existent in the whitetail world of production nowadays.
You think this guy has no ego? Did you listen to him talk? He's sounds like the Steven Segal of hunting.
Again great episode guys. That first hour brought back so many memories of me. Growing up hunting and how pure it used to be. Definitely a fan of Chris bracket as his personality almost mirror's mine lol
Chris is just a man who is growing in Gods grace for he started out growing in repentance. Taking a stand with his woman to make it right in marriage is commendable, my brother.
Keep living, brother Chris for the best is yet to come.
Phil 1:6
I'm glad you brought some attention to the CWD shoots in IL. That has been happening near where I hunt in IL, and certainly has affected the area. Hope that comes to an end.
Great episode guys felt the genuine honesty and you Guys knocked out the box thank you 🙏🏼
I got to hang out and chat with Chris at ATA in 2010, and he's a dude! I didn't get to see it, but I was told he was shooting playing cards in half sideways with his bow. I was videoing hunts in the industry at the time, and what a blast that show was! Best show I ever attended. It was a bowhunters dream come true! I hate to hear it's turned south, which is no surprise seeing how hunting shows have changed
since I was around the industry. Y'all are right. It was one huge close community back then. After parties and hanging out with the top names in the industry, it was like hanging out with old high school buddies. I was with some people that knew Chris, and we hung out for a while. He was as humble, cool, and down to earth as anyone I'd ever met. He stayed way after and talked with fans and friends. I met a ton of people from the industry who were awesome and also some not so much. Alot of keyboard pirates on here that pretend they've never been in the wrong. If some of them knew half of the stuff that's gone on in the industry, they'd be mindblown. People make mistakes, and I'm happy to see Chris tell his story. He was a wolf in his day, and I hope he makes a comeback. When you're in that spotlight, everyone is out to point fingers and hoping you slip. Good to see Chris with his faith in JESUS!
AMAZING EPISODE WITH SOME AMAZING LESSONS. Humility, admiting fault, understanding other ppl and their faults. And asking the hard question, Do you admire,respect, and/or are thankful for the animal that you hunt.. dont let trophies or thurst for the kill take away from the beauty, opportunity, or gift of what hunting provides
The best man definitely won, congrats Waddell!
Great segment guys, I truly feel like he laid it all out here. We as hunters have all been in a position where we may have stepped over the line a time or two, 99% of us have at one point in time said should I do this or not. He was exactly what you said he was the 200” buck that they just had to take down. They used him to set an example and ultimately he paid his dues. Chris said it best we’re all human, none of us are perfect every single one of us is a sinner. He has chosen to take another approach to his life and that’s his choice to make. I can remember when he started the aerial bowfishing and all of my friends were like we gotta go down there and try this. We all watched his shows weather you loved him or hated him he produced amazing content. I wish him nothing but the best as he ventures on his new journey in life. The industry has definitely changed it’s become a game of inches literally, how big was he, is what lost people ask. We need to showcase more of the true raw emotions afield when it’s a kids first deer, first anything that true raw emotion is what we all can relate to and remember why we love learned to hunt so much.
Great episode! We all are human and learn from our mistakes! God Bless you all!
Been waiting for this one for a long time
I went bow fishing for Asian carp with a couple of buddies with Chris Brackett on the Illinois river near Peoria about 12 - 15-ish years ago in the summer. It was about 100 degrees out that day but we had a blast ! Taking a shower afterwards at Chris' house covered in sweat and fish smell was one of the best showers I ever had.
One thing i can thank chris for is a clip i saw a while back telling people to spend time with their mothers.
Very happy you guys spent time talking on the CWD situation in northern Illinois. I've seen myself how sharpshooting has ruined this part of the state. I manage my farm just to lose deer to sharpshooters across the road on DNR owned land. Even our local game warden disagrees with the practice but explained to me how their hands are tied by the state biologists.
I’ve been a Chris Brackett fan since the beginning & still am. We are all human & make mistakes & Chris is definitely a genuine guy. I want to see a Brackett comeback. BOOYAH
Man I was a huge Chris Brackett fan back in the day. Talked with him several times and changed my Fandom. I enjoyed watching this, I just don't know how I feel about it still. I pray his faith has truly changed only thing important in all this
Congrats on 28k guys. I remember when you were at like 2.7 lol. Said it before and I’ll say it again. It’s 1-Huntr 2-Rogan
Haha not sure about that but wild it keeps growing 😂
I'm kind of surprised you guys have taken to Chris Brackett so well. If you think about it, his mistake is exactly what you guys have been concerned about recently. Using a muzzleloader he has never shot before, sending zingers at multiple bucks...this is the mentality that causes us to not have any mature deer to hunt. People taking more than their fair share of our limited resources. I personally don't have anything against the guy. People can change. I'm glad he's found the light of Jesus.
Great episode
I met Chris through Extreme Aerial Bow Fishing. He hooked me up and my whole family on the trip and treated us great. I've kept in touch off and on with Chris over the years since then. Great listen. Would love to hook up and do some more bow fishing. Does Chris still run the bow fishing?
Love this guy, great show fellas!!
This was cool to see him spill it all out there. That’s the first time I heard the full story because all most of us had before was the clips of him shooting and yelling at the camera man or whatever. I totally get the burnt out part with hunting.. when it starts to feel like a stressful job, it’s time to knock it down a notch or take a break. I’ve stressed myself out so bad that it made me sick not killing a big buck or even worse, missing 2 giant bucks the last 2 seasons. It’s the worst and takes all the fun out of the sport
Never have been a fan of his. Always thought he was a DB so when the story broke of him poaching, I wasn’t surprised. I’ll give him credit though for coming on there and telling his story. Interesting episode guys, well done.
Been following Chris for a long time...He's a smart, hard working dude, loved this podcast.
Cant explain how excited i am to see him on here i can still remember painting my face like its halloween going to the woods to look like his hahah
this was probably the best one yet.
Everyone one makes mistakes and they usually change for the better. Chris is a great dude regardless of his past.
Chris is blaming aspergers for being a douche. Between that and the narcissistic rambling was a tough listen.
Absolutely love this channel, been watching for a while. I have to say 2 things that really stood out was the fact he compared his state of mind of killing a deer to a veteran's mind who went to war and had to take a human life. That was the first thing that shocked me, they are nothing alike. The second being that he compared his "keeping quiet or not admitting to the charges" as basically the same as when the people condemned Jesus to the cross. The absolute gall he had to say that.
But again love the channel and love the platform you give people to speak on these topics.
Those 2 things stood out to me as well. Great episode for new and old hunters to listen to.
I couldn't believe he said that. I haven't rolled my eyes this much in a while.
Was absolutely addiced to Arrow Affliction growing up and got to meet Chris at a trade show when i was a teen, what an awesome dude!!!
Selfish note: as a Virginia hunter you should look into the Hollywood Cemetery buck that was just poached last week, a podcast on it would be amazing!!
2nd this
3rd this
Hadn’t heard about this Buck!! Interesting….
This is definitely top 10 best episodes from you fellas. I was is highschool when the whole video got released and didn’t have resources back then to research much about it so I thought he was kinda a complete d-bag based of his personality and then that on top made me dislike him a lot more. Him explaining the story and everything really changed my mind and realize that he’s definitely changed and he was definitely in a different mindset back then. Glad to hear his side and see he’s changed for the better! Again, great episode fellas!
I’m here for it. Can’t wait to see the revival of Full Metal Bracket! Huntr and Brackett is a dream team. Hope you guys continue to work together.
Glad to see Chris where he is today! I loved watching his stuff back in the day! It’s good to hear the truth about his story. Definitely forgive him!! Great podcast!!
Ive listened to 5 of these podcasts, this is the best one so far.
Thanks Denny!
After listening to the entire pod I like chris brackett. I got into hunting after the whole debacle and I think he will find there is probably a lot of people like me who will enjoy his content with no prejudice from his past mistakes because we are new to hunting.
1:09:55 in. Great definition of character. Character is who you are, when people aren’t looking!! Bingo Chris….
“That dude has killed more stuff than winter”😂👌
Great podcast! For anyone to think they could 100 percent roll through the rise and pressures of living that lifestyle without making mistakes or letting shady folk or people with alternative motives lead you or cause you issues that you wouldn’t have regularly been a part of is completely lying to themselves!
Great podcast
I love this episode I hope you guys could have tim wells on sometime
i mean realistically your podcast is just like being at camp talking with the guys i just get to do it year round with ppl as obsessed as me lmfao and you guys shed light on topics we wouldn’t think of 14:40
Too many I don't cares coming out of his mouth when he describes what happened. I can't get past that. The fall from grace for this man has been very steep.
I remember him back in the day. He was a great entertainer, very dynamic, but the fame got the best of him.
Greatest 1 I have seen so far
It always amazes me what people hear !!...
What I heard was a man witnessing, that He has seen the light and been humbled and now knows Jesus !
When looking in the mirror, the light and the truth stand before you, though most don't see it !
Watch the water !
Awesome episode
You guys are Asskickers !
Stay humble, focused and disciplined and everything else will fall where it should. While he was clearly focused, I didn’t hear much from him that indicates he’s humble or disciplined.
I still have the Scentlok jacket and pants fear no evil that they put out along with the bow tech fear no evil I loved watching Chris’s show
Good one guys. Chris done nothing no different than what most hunter have done. Most hunters are ethical til they get caught breaking the law. Like to see more of him on here
He blocked me on social media long ago because I called him out on a game warden rant, Loved Arrow Affliction. Pretty open and honest. great listen
Great podcast. I still follow him on Facebook. Yes he can come off arrogant. He still dose alot to try and help other hunters. He is very knowledgeable and was a great shot with a bow. His shows were entertaining and he's still entertaining. Alot of people would have done the same thing as him with the pressure of the industry and the amount of money that was at stake. Anyone that rises to the top like he has from nothing is going to have a certain level of narcissistic behavior. Ive never met a person who was famous or trying to be famous that wasnt into them selves.
I’ve known Chris for a long time through the industry. Actually before he was in the industry. He was grinding and working his ass off. I’m glad y’all did this episode. It was a great listen.
Where can we see the video of this poaching incident and does it have audio just curious ?
I like what Chris said about not killing the "button heads" during Doe Management.
Get that footage out there 🎯
Awesome podcast bro...Brackett is cool we are all just human no matter how famous we become I don't think he should have had to go through such a hard Social sentence!
Wild to hear it all first hand, thanks for the listen!
One of the few times you guys let the guest speak and its Chris Hacket???? That was painful to listen to. Only so much poor me, endless rambling and taking jabs at folks for me to listen to it all.
I bumped into him years ago at a convenient store. Really nice guy. I don't think he realized what I was. #1 most wanted poacher around area at the time.😢 lol. Loved his show, when he'd choot 'em otta the air, I used to do stuff like that, and bullfrog hunted with a slingshot also. Goodtimes
I think I would legitimately cry if this podcast ends anytime soon lol.
You guys should have former Boone and Crockett scorer Ron boucher on sometime. He has the inside scoop on the Johnny king buck. Very interesting guy!
Another great podcast guys. Glad to hear Chris's side of the story. Love him or hate him Chris Bracket is a bad mofo arrow affliction was one of the all time great hunting shows and definitely one of my favorites. Chris seems to be truly humbled and i believe his apology is sincere. Im not gonna lie I liked booya Chris Bracket he was brash and a bit arrogant but he backed it up with his hunting and archery shooting skills thats undeniable. Some people dont care for John Eberhard because hes a bit arrogant but as a Michigan hunter I have the utmost respect for him because i know how tough it is to kill mature bucks in heavily pressured states. Its not being cocky if you back it up. Most of the people hating on guys like this aren't even remotely close to being on their level of skill. Gotta give respect where respect is due regardless of whether someone is humble cocky or somewhere in between. I look forward to seeing more from Chris in the future. Great job again guys keep up the good work 👍. BOOYAH 😁
It absolutely is cocky, even if you do ‘back it up.’ The dude is an ass hat/clown.
I remember when he got kicked off some property for shooting deer in the head. Having deer he shot in the head on luminoc videos. He is so much more than the poaching. If he has changed then cool. And I am enjoying listening to his side of everything. Thanks for having him on the show.
Yep it’s a great episode to hear Chris’s side of the story
lol in da head 😅
@@chrisbrackettlandlife just what I heard back around 2010 in central Illinois lol. I honestly didnt know you were still in the industry until this podcast. I really like your perspective on everything you talked about and look forward to listening to your podcast.
@@chrisbrackettlandlife the luminock comercial back then had a deer getting shot in the head and the arrow deflected off it. Was told it was you that did it.
@@chasem21 you believe everything you hurt, and then you write it on pages where other people can see it? That’s a rough life throwing stones like that spreading rumors I don’t head shoot animals unless they are turkeys….. 🦃 it’s not nice to spread rumors what’s done in the dark will be brought to the light. What comes around goes around merry Christmas.
I like this guy seems totally authentic good things come to those who believe.
Tough to get through.
On the turtle ticket and deer, I think you should try fighting it, you reputation/ livelihood is out in the open under a spotlight. As others have said Arrow Affliction and Fear no Evil were what I looked forward too, I have all the dvds still might have to watch them now. Hope things turn/turned around for Chris, JAMES 4:12!
In Missouri, there is quite a bit of evidence that CWD sharpshooting is working. I'm not really for that...mixed feelings. Either way, you guys should have Jason Sumners from Missouri Dept. of Conservation on the podcast Great voice for hunters and the disease side of things. You guys would love the conversation.
I told y’all ass was growing like wildfire!!!! Up to 28k
Hahaha we just keep doing our thing. But we appreciate the support!
Should’ve done it long ago but I am now a subscriber!!!
Thank you guys very much.
I guess I had forgotten how bad I wanted to hear this. I grew up in a time when Arrow Affliction took the place of my Saturday morning cartoons. Also I have only hunted with a bow and arrow since I watched the very first episode. I was living my journey as a hunter kinda at the same time as Chris. I can’t even fathom my journey being broadcast to any and everybody the way his was. I’d probably still be in jail just for the crap I didn’t mean to do. Now as I grew we probably didn’t stay on the same path but that’s ok. He helped guide me onto this path where I can’t imagine hunting over bait or hunting with a crossbow or “party hunting “ or a ton of other legal stuff that I feel beneath me morally as a hunter. However, I don’t hold any negative feelings to people that choose to do these things. We’re all on our on path and I thank god every day to be blessed with this beautiful sickness we call hunting.
I want to thank you guys for this episode that somebody should have done way before now.
And I wanna thank Bracket for way more than I can say in this comment!!
Also if you can message me with some info I would love to hire you to consult on my farm in south central Georgia! I know it’s a little far from home for you but since your a huge part of the journey to me purchasing it to begin with I feel like it’d be a fitting full circle kinda thing.
LMK….
Yuck!!!!
this guy is interesting, but holy shit its hard to listen to him ramble
It’s hard to be me rambling but here I am. I had a lot to say it was hard to get out merry Christmas.
For the talk about the sharp shooters and “cwd control” and what not, the agenda I believe is they eventually want that resource of wild game gone. Then it’s one less thing us hunters have going for us for independent food source, and also too have firearms. “No need too hunt if there’s no wild game, so don’t need a firearm”. That’s always been a big thought about it but oh well, most people would say eh tinfoil hat or something dumb.
I didn’t know who Chris was until I looked him up on google and saw old pictures of him. I don’t know how to feel about this one, I wish you guys would have set the tone right from the beginning and called him to the mat when he said the old bullshit line of “it’s my property I’ll kill a deer how I want too as long as it’s legal” just because it becomes legal doesn’t mean it’s a good thing for the resource. So that made me think he was kinda a dink for that line but all in all I can’t say I like or dislike him but regardless I appreciate the conversation. Great pod boys!
Dudes i used too go to the party at pea ridge pike county back in the day in that barn. All the whoos who were there.
Next day in mccomb i used to tell mali like dude what was that all about? It aint me i was there to hunt monster bucks.
I keep noticing the Miguels pizza Nalgene. You climb?
Not as much as I used to getting old and bad shoulder lol
What I heard was a guy who still has alot of excuses of why its not his fault. Somtimes you just need to admit your human and screwed up. Most people will forgive you if you have some humility. We have all had to swallow our pride at some point in our lives!
He a narcissist.
So true
Everyone needs to look in their own mirror! Lots of keyboard warriors! He is willing to tell his story, and people are bashing him!
Jealous lol.
@@brandon6707bc half his story is bullshit. Along w this podcast bc they can’t even get the camera men that personally worked with Chris on to prove his bs. Guys always been a poacher, he finally just god caught. Get Chip and the other guys on the show,
Not only have you had one poacher but now two, we all watched Chris live on tv shoot two bucks within minutes of each other
A really nice genuine poacher. Class act lol. This has to be a joke
😂
Yep I’m a convicted. Poacher and I did my time and I learned my lesson you have a merry Christmas.
Bracketts a Central Illinois legend !!!! Keep hunting hard Chris !!!!!
I heard a lot of rambling and beating around the bush. I feel he left some stuff it that’s why he rambled on. I feel he is humble to it now and did his punishment and it good he is moving on and making the best of it.
I generally appreciate your content but I won't listen to a word he has to say. His arrogance towards people on display at Harrisburg years back coupled with being a federally convicted poacher is a no go for me. Stop shining light on people like this. Theyre a cancer on hunting.
I understand your position, and respect the decision. We truly were intrigued about his story, and I think Chris was pretty transparent on being a bit of an ass in the past
Final judgement without a path to recompense is by far the worst crime to poaching!? It goes against everything natural to perma label while leaving no way to atone!? Anyone that would do so is much closer to communist then life liberty and pursuit of happiness!? It's not debatable
This dude is the Caucasian Kanye West. Good lord that was a tough listen.
Its sad that a guy cant apologize and state reasons to why they made choices not excuses and describe the path they took to get to the conclusion and place they are. People are arrogant and judgemental as ever and it shows. The lack of forgiveness and understanding drives the division in this world and shows to be abundant.
His camera guy didn’t have to buy a tag to get more shots from the stand the next day. That’s bullshit. Gun didn’t have to be loaded. That was not the reason he got that tag. Love how salty he is still towards Waddell. Waddell knows who this guy truly is.