Great vid! I’m an owl born in the mid 80s and growing up it wasn’t even debated. But two decades out of the top flight for Wednesday has certainly evened things up. Both have great support and history. Matt - if you would like a tour of the city when you come, I’d be happy to show you around and take you to the best views of both grounds from our many hills!
Thanks Thomas for your offer, ideally it would be great if one of the teams played on Friday and the other team on a Saturday, could tick off both stadiums in one trip!
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 Hi Matt, Both teams are currently at home on Paddy’s weekend. If it helps….Sheff Wed vs Bolton on Fri 17th March, Sheff Utd vs West Brom on Sat 18th March
Also, didn't Brammel Lane also serve as a cricket ground, at least up until the late 70's early 80's?... That would surely have impacted on the capacity and identity of the club. In the meantime, Hillsborough was considered one of the best stadiums in the country, regularly hosting FA cup semis.
I'm a Wednesdayite but I would concede that United have overtaken us in recent years. Our club is beginning to heal with Darren Moore. Chansari has been given bad advice since he bought the club but he seems to have learnt. I think we are on the up. For the sake of Sheffield I would love to see both clubs in the Premier league.
Cheers Ralph for your comments, this is just episode 1, I will be creating more content like this moving forward, I could do Derby and Notts Forest, what do you think??
Location of the stadiums plays a part here. Bramall Lane is very close to the city centre so there is very limited car parking and most fans have to travel. Hillsborough is on the outskirts and is surrounded by lots of housing all within walking distance. Lots of on street parking as well. It is also well supported by public transport and Trams. A better measure of fan base is away matches and there won't be much in it here. Both are big clubs
Disagree I think home support is a better measure. Away allocations are usually limited. Both support bases are pretty good. You’re right about the respective surroundings and access
Disagree I think home support is a better measure. Away allocations are usually limited. Both support bases are pretty good. You’re right about the respective surroundings and access
@@keyakaabag6017 and of course those car parks are free? At Hillsborough there is lots of free on street parking which is closer to the stadium. Am I still talking tosh, if so prove me wrong with facts.
Excellent video and a brilliant question My Leeds mate has a nightmare scenario about Sheffield. He fears an alternate reality in which Sheffield just has one club. It is amazing that a city has two so ‘grand old’ clubs but they are so equal. I thought about this very question when my club Carlisle played both clubs in league one. In the eighties it seemed Wednesday were the bigger club as an outsider. What often has surprised me is there really does seem a bitter rivalry between the two clubs. Sheffield Wednesday what a great name Back in 1990 there was a TV documentary, fly on the wall style series called ‘United’. It was with Arry Basset. It was brilliant. A south London one of these would be useful; Charlton, millwall, palace. Portsmouth vs Southampton Cardiff vs Swansea? Blackburn vs Burnley?
Thank you Jimmy for your excellent points, watch this space for more rivals to come, Cardiff v Swansea will be third up on my list, who will be bigger out of those 2?
I'm a blade and tbh I don't think you can say one is bigger than the other, they're both about the same, United are certainly the better team at the moment but fabs on both sides are just as loud and passionate as each other
Blade here, I think Wednesday were the bigger club but it’s getting iffy now. United are I think attracting the youngsters who’s allegiance is not fixed. Nowadays if they get success Wednesday might edge it, but their stadium needs serious work. It has fallen far behind since the seventies, whereas Uniteds ground which was a poor 3 sided affair, has steadily and continuously improved with plans on the board for yet more capacity as well. It’s pretty even and Derby matches are something else, even neutrals can feel the atmosphere, winning that one is deadly serious. Both teams lack serious success if compared to a Liverpool or Chelsea etc, we seem fated so far to avoid true success, but we keep hoping.
Thanks Peter for your comments, I am hoping to visit both grounds this year, really looking forward to it, I really like both clubs,....... derby day, that would be great to witness!
I have been watching the Owls since 1955. The were "the yoyo team" back then. They had a good period under Harry Catterick when they ended 2nd to Spurs in division 1. Its been down hill for one period since, as the steel industry was reduced in size. (See "The Full Monty"). Its been shambolic at S6 for years but the club might get back into the championship if they dont slip up in the next couple of months. But they are Wednesday, and it is there culture to do things the hard way. Cant say much about SUFC; I went to Bramall Lane once when Fred Trueman was bowling, but havent been back.
As a Wednesday fan I think we are a bit bigger than United but my god our record over the last 20 odd years is pitiful! We are slightly bigger due to our history and our stadium. But our recent history is dire and our stadium needs serious cash spending on it. But, we are at least resurgent under Darren Moore and the future looks better. One thing you must do is visit both stadiums for an important game. Last week Hillsborough was absolutely rocking against Plymouth with 33k+ fans there for a third division game. Well worth a trip up North!
12 seasons in league one!!!!! How did that actually happen! I recall my club Carlisle playing Wednesday for a couple of years before we went down but 12 seasons! In recent times is truly ridiculous; I can’t have heard it right surly? Yep should be premier league really
I think we need to more focusing on how well both team supporters are I'm a wednesday fan but the faculty that both teams bring over 20,000 each home game is amazing
@Boss Tweed 24k at wednesday so if your saying is true you bring more fans but the more important picture is what I said before we should be proud as a city that each week we can bring those kind of numbers it shows sheffield is a football dedicated city
@NakLabs I 100% agree with you. It was an honest question mate, not sarcasm. I'm the only blade you will meet that wants us in the same league. Derby day is, and always will be the best game to watch.
As a blades fan I’d say we are bigger in the modern era both of our clubs are big respectively and both of us have big trophies to our names I’d say Wednesday we’re bigger a couple of decades ago and have more history than us but we have the better ground and owners stuff like that
You’ve been in the prem for 3 seasons in the past 20 years done nothing In the premier league in them 3 seasons but those seasons now make you the bigger club 😂there’s nothing that makes you a bigger club than us, it’s laughable
@@freddiemhd9535 I mean we have the older stadium we’ve been financially more successful and no our 2019/2020 season we tore the league apart and we are pl bound we are still a big side and if you choose to ignore that then so be it
@@freddiemhd9535 highlight of your last 30 years was playing arsenal reserves when you all put the lights on your phones. Not many (if any millennials) will remember anything about you ever being slightly decent apart from when tuna man first arrived and the bounce slayer put that to bed. UTB/FTFP
@@mattthegroundhopper9242they just played Premier league football, they're obviously going to have more. Twitter and all these social media hasn't been around when Wednesday was in prem. Can't go off that, plus majority of followers ain't even fans they're just football fans in general. All time bigger club Wednesday 👍
Not sure why the attendance record stopped at 18/19!? Other than that a decent summary although I think one thing that is difficult to summarise is that since 2000 Wednesday have reduced in size in my view, United the opposite. Why? Well as you probably guessed and as you mentioned, Wednesday haven't played top flight football since 2000, United on three occasions which might not be many but it's still significant over 0. Also for the vast majority of the 2000's United have finished above Wednesday when in the same division or United above Wednesday as currently the case. The exception being the 5 seasons out of circa 20 when United were in League One. So if the current trend continues with Wednesday out of the top flight and United in and out of the top flight I think you'll find United becoming bigger than Wednesday in terms of crowds (as currently the case in terms of average although granted Wednesday are in League One) and development to the ground/training ground. United's crowds have increased from circa 17,000 around 2000 to now 28-29000 average.
Thanks Robin for your comments, the reason the attendance stats stopped in 18/19 was due to covid and no crowds, it was skewing the stats. I think Utd have caught up a lot over the past 30 years, things evolve, they may be bigger one day??
Agree that United have the edge in respect of attendances. I think our City centre location and changing demographics attending games, ethnic minorities, more families , female fans, does seem to favour United. The area around Bramall Lane is more appealing, for example, brand new China town, Cultural Quarter, London Road, Abbeydale road, Ecclesall Road all with a plethora of real ale bars, breweries and restaurants. All that as well as the City Centre being 15 minutes walk away. By contrast Hillsborough is a pretty featureless and boring area with little of interest. Hillsborough is well served by the tram which drops you off at the ground. Kelham Island is also en route to Hillsborough which would be a big factor for me should I be an away fan. Spoiled for choice there with an absolute treasure trove of real ale bars and quirky eateries.
I'm a Blade and my mum is an Owl, so I think it's not as easy as you live here so you're this. Wednesday used to be the bigger club but with lack of funding and decades in the lower leagues the Owls have taken a massive hit. Hillborough is dilapidated and it's honestly a shame as I remember as a kid my Dad worked there and it was a beautiful stadium. Sheffield United are the bigger club in the modern era the brand is worth a lot more and many top pundits have said we should/could be a staple in the premier league.
nice articulate replay people not from the city don't understand the level of animosity between the clubs families don't talk to each other if they are of the other side .. being a wednesday fan we don't really relate to the united side of the family .. United have been the better Club for the last 20 years and have produced England Internationals Wednesday have had probably the worse 20 years of their history
I'm pretty sure these criteria can be set to suit someone's agenda. What about performance in reaching league playoffs, Cup rounds, quarters, semis in the last 20 years. Academy profiles - filling the ranks of international & Prem teams. How about not ripping off local businesses and (& the Co-op) out of millions chasing success. Club profiles, social media, stadia profiles - hosting football and non football events, effect in the community, fair pricing for fans, etc., etc... The childish 'bigger' debate is nonsense, whereas who is better is more applicable. UTB
You asked about where you live and does that correlate to whom you support? Well yes........and no, historically those from the northern areas of the city supported Wednesday, those from the South area and more centrally United but as the suburbs grew and people moved around then this is not so true. There are pockets where lots of United fans live and vice versa, I lived in a village that seemed to be more United than Wednesday although I was an Owls fan. Its more about family and what you were brought up on. Spoiler - Honestly who is bigger? United if you are marking out of recent performances, historically Wednesday, when I was a lad United never even played Wednesday because of the difference in league positions however it always ebbs and flows, we have a few years on top then they have a few years on top. United are just about to get big investment from a bloke called Dozy with a fake airline but if it comes off I expect them to have at least a few more years in an advanced position.
Good concept, not sure about the points for winning Championship, L1 & L2 though. Promotion or a title at the lower levels in my opinion are the same value, not much worth in winning the league above finishing in a promotion spot. Also not sure about the size of the ground being worth a full winning round if it’s a close call. Average position over the 20 years and the honours in terms of cups, top division wins and promotions probably the most important. Good channel though!
Feet in both camps here, Matt. Firstly, when I was studying Geography with German at the University of Derby as a part-time mature undergraduate back in the Nineties, one of my German lecturers was a Blades' fan. Second, in the early 2000s, I hooked up with a young local band who styled themselves as a Mod band for the Modern Age, Censored, whose lead singer (another 'Matt'!) is an Owls' fan, so the singer beat the lecturer here! He calls Sheffield United the 'Blunts', BTW! As a 'Derbyshire Canary' I've been to both Bramall Lane and Hillsborough to see NCFC on the road around these parts, twice in both cases, one time (29th December 2001, at Hillsborough) seeing my biggest-ever away win (5-0), which warmed up a very chilly late December afternoon! One of my other German lecturers was a Bayern fan, so I was there at the right time to get one over her!
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 ...and it's not only in this country. During my studies at the UoD I did an internship on an archaeological dig in Derby's twin city of Osnabrück and my students' accommodation was well within walking distance of VfL Osnabrück's Bremer Brücke ground, so I went to a few games there, including a cup tie against Waldhof Mannheim, which was a cultural education since I was motioning to leave at the end of 90 minutes with the scores level only for it to go into extra time, which wasn't the way cup ties in this country go! I got on very well with a fellow foreign digger on the EU's COMETT scheme on that dig who was a Pre-Columbian America specialist and who was born in Haarlem, studied at the University of Leiden and lived in Amsterdam and was a huge footy fan (of Ajax) so I left him with a bit of Norwich at the end of that summer in the shape of my NCFC mug! The UoD put on a coach trip to Amsterdam the following spring, travelling out overnight on a Friday night and coming back on the Sunday afternoon and we met up in the city the Saturday morning and towards the end of that day went on the train out to Alkmaar for a Saturday evening match between AZ and VVV Venlo, complete with floodlit windmills on the way between the stadium and the rail station!
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 of course, Sheffield FC have in the past played home games at Bramall Lane, as indeed have Sheffield Wednesday. Sheffield United, much like Chelsea and Liverpool, began life as a club formed to occupy an existing ground.
I've heard this argument about who is the bigger club for the last 40+ years, and it's a playground argument. Every club is proud of it's history, has its good times and bad times. What really matters is where the club is now and how it's planning for its future. I've always said that both clubs will be more powerful as one Sheffield club, but history and fan loyalty gets in the way. Football has moved on enormously since 2000 and most major honours are won by the top 6 clubs.
Thanks Wilf for your comments, everyone would always defend their club, I get that, but sometimes a playground argument are the best, light hearted and simple.
This is really an argument over who is least mediocre so shouldn't even be a discussion. And I'm a United fan, the real United not Newton Heath or the even more presumptuous UFC ones.
Well if you’re being selective with attendances, how many average attendances over 30,000 have Wednesday had in the last 45 years ? Precisely none. See, we can all be selective
Hello Peter, I think years of not being in the top flight have taken their toll on this big club, they need some serious investment to give everything a freshen up, but a sleeping giant!
It works like this - if you're an arrogant bastard with a false sense of worth, you're a Wendy. If you're down to earth, know who you are, accept it, accept that there are ups and downs, you're a Blade.
I’m a Blade, really not bothered who’s the bigger club. Just a point the capacity for Wednesday is I believe 33,000 not 39,000. It’s a sterile argument and doesn’t have much relevance as to who’s bigger. Our combined averages would be bigger than Leeds and Sunderland. The Blades should be there next season.
Perhaps there should be another round for how many times each club has had matches featured on tv in the last ten seasons, I'm sure Utd would win that and that would explain why Utd have the lower attendances, because who'd want to watch a game on a cold wintery wet day or night when they can watch it in comfort in a pub or at home.
Thanks for your comments William, but if it were a cold wet night a floating supporter wouldn't watch their team whether they were on TV or not, true die hard fans go to the games in any weather, true??...being on TV is just an added bonus.
Im going for SHEFF WED no P,L in allmost 23 yrs but still huge club last season SWFC had the best avg fanbase away outside of the P,L NOT BAD FOR L1 & they had 33,442 fans at hillsborough last week! swfc older,bigger,better, ive been to 3major cup finals watching swfc,europe, top tier 84-2000! sufc been to abig fat 0! last 23 yrs r worse in swfc history! its not even a debait SWFC all day!
Sheffield United Can’t even sell 36k tickets for Wembley Stadium as Sheffield Wednesday sold around 50k tickets & they didn’t even go on general sale It’s not even a debate SWFC are lots bigger
Do a follow up including jut the last 20 seasons. Including " Premier league" , "visits to Wembley " percentage of ground full", " state of stadiums" , we of squad", academy products becoming internationals " and also cheating Allegations. To see who's the bigger club at the moment .UTB ⚔️⚔️⚔️ . GREAT VIDEO SIR KEEP IT UP
Thanks Doc, the vibe I am getting from Owls and Blades fans are Sheff Weds used to be the bigger club but in the last 20 years United have caught up and overtaken them, appreciate your comments
I'm a blade utd are not as big as Wednesday but if the two clubs carry on the way are recently utd will overtake Wednesday soon as thhe new generations will be looking at utd being top tier and Wednesday under investment and miss management kill there club
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 Couple of things. Never call Nottm Forest, Notts Forest, ever. Our rivals (if you can call them that) are Derby. Many Forest Fans will look out for Notts County's results or take in a game if Forest aren't playing, same for Mansfield.
Even Blades fans know Wednesday are the bigger club....Wednesday one of the first clubs to form and one of the countries biggest underachievers with a huge following! Without Sheffield Wednesday there would be no Sheffield United! Read the History Books!
I've read em Pal. Born on the back of Wednesday! The Wednesday played at Bramall Lane BEFORE Pigs. The Cricket Ground didn't want The Wednesday to leave because of loss of revenue. So they formed their own team amalgamating players from Sheffield Rangers, the Wednesday, and players of their own. Hence the name United. The first football team named United! You are the original United, but the original Franchised Football Club!
So Wednesday had a record capacity of 72000 in in the 1930´s and that´s why you think they are the bigger club? What a meaningless category. How can this be a debate in 2023? Sheffield Wednesday are a completely run down, outdated club that has not had any notable successes for decades. Their stadium is a rusty old shed that poses a danger to other people and should be demolished. I understand your points. As a United fan I would have said 30-40 years ago that Wednesday are a bigger club, but we live in 2023. The category recent success should be given a much higher priority.
Blades are years in front of the Wendy's when it comes to the last 15years Blades have had more success, have for the better stadium compared to their rust bucket, superior players with real financial value and potentially a billionaire take over the futures bright its red and white ⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️
one fact you missed out is that Sheffield United are one of only five sides(Burnley, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Preston North End and Portsmouth)to have won all four professional divisions of English football
I certainly know who is better. I would say the Owls over the Blunts when it comes to who is bigger, not being biased and the Blunts do edge the Head to Head but definitely the Owls when it comes to who is bigger. Owls: Bigger Blunts: Better
United a lot better but we’re a lot bigger, them lot can think having 3 seasons in the premier league over the last 20 years makes them a bigger club all they want, the fact is there won’t be many people alive today that we’re about when they last won a major trophy. Getting 14,000 in play off semi final as well 😮💨
Great vid! I’m an owl born in the mid 80s and growing up it wasn’t even debated. But two decades out of the top flight for Wednesday has certainly evened things up. Both have great support and history. Matt - if you would like a tour of the city when you come, I’d be happy to show you around and take you to the best views of both grounds from our many hills!
Thanks Thomas for your offer, ideally it would be great if one of the teams played on Friday and the other team on a Saturday, could tick off both stadiums in one trip!
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 Hi Matt, Both teams are currently at home on Paddy’s weekend. If it helps….Sheff Wed vs Bolton on Fri 17th March, Sheff Utd vs West Brom on Sat 18th March
@@TommyS61867 thanks Thomas, that is very helpful 👍🏻
Also, didn't Brammel Lane also serve as a cricket ground, at least up until the late 70's early 80's?... That would surely have impacted on the capacity and identity of the club. In the meantime, Hillsborough was considered one of the best stadiums in the country, regularly hosting FA cup semis.
Just a Wednesday fan who loves his club and excited for us in league one - no beef with Sheff Utd - all I care about is SWFC
You are going well this season John 👍🏻
Great video - as a Blade that’s a pretty good assessment. Very tight between the clubs in the home of football UTB
At last, a happy blade, people getting very upset over some harmless facts, thanks for your comments 👍🏻
I'm a Wednesdayite but I would concede that United have overtaken us in recent years. Our club is beginning to heal with Darren Moore. Chansari has been given bad advice since he bought the club but he seems to have learnt. I think we are on the up. For the sake of Sheffield I would love to see both clubs in the Premier league.
Thanks Kevin, I agree with you, be great if both clubs were in the top flight, when was the last time you both met each other in the top flight?
Early 1990s I think.
The Mighty Rams of course!! lol Joking apart as a neutral my personal opinion is that Sheff Wed is the bigger club. Nice blog by the way.
Cheers Ralph for your comments, this is just episode 1, I will be creating more content like this moving forward, I could do Derby and Notts Forest, what do you think??
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 whatever you do don’t call them NOTTS Forest! They don’t like it!!! Notts County and Nottingham Forest! Great video!
@@philkirk4571 👍🏻
Jeez literally everyone saying Wednesday bigger club I agree also
Not that mighty. Not like the most mighty and glorious Luton Town. We are the mightiest of all. That’s just fact.
Location of the stadiums plays a part here. Bramall Lane is very close to the city centre so there is very limited car parking and most fans have to travel. Hillsborough is on the outskirts and is surrounded by lots of housing all within walking distance. Lots of on street parking as well. It is also well supported by public transport and Trams. A better measure of fan base is away matches and there won't be much in it here. Both are big clubs
Good summary, thanks 👍🏻
Disagree I think home support is a better measure. Away allocations are usually limited. Both support bases are pretty good. You’re right about the respective surroundings and access
Disagree I think home support is a better measure. Away allocations are usually limited. Both support bases are pretty good. You’re right about the respective surroundings and access
What a load of tosh about parking😂😂😂 city centre is full of car parks ffs
@@keyakaabag6017 and of course those car parks are free? At Hillsborough there is lots of free on street parking which is closer to the stadium. Am I still talking tosh, if so prove me wrong with facts.
Excellent video and a brilliant question
My Leeds mate has a nightmare scenario about Sheffield. He fears an alternate reality in which Sheffield just has one club.
It is amazing that a city has two so ‘grand old’ clubs but they are so equal.
I thought about this very question when my club Carlisle played both clubs in league one.
In the eighties it seemed Wednesday were the bigger club as an outsider.
What often has surprised me is there really does seem a bitter rivalry between the two clubs.
Sheffield Wednesday what a great name
Back in 1990 there was a TV documentary, fly on the wall style series called ‘United’. It was with Arry Basset. It was brilliant.
A south London one of these would be useful; Charlton, millwall, palace.
Portsmouth vs Southampton
Cardiff vs Swansea?
Blackburn vs Burnley?
Thank you Jimmy for your excellent points, watch this space for more rivals to come, Cardiff v Swansea will be third up on my list, who will be bigger out of those 2?
Burnley
@@BURNLEY87 I could do Burnley v Blackburn, who’s bigger
I'm a blade and tbh I don't think you can say one is bigger than the other, they're both about the same, United are certainly the better team at the moment but fabs on both sides are just as loud and passionate as each other
Well Sheff U could be a premier league team yet again within a few months
Blade here, I think Wednesday were the bigger club but it’s getting iffy now. United are I think attracting the youngsters who’s allegiance is not fixed. Nowadays if they get success Wednesday might edge it, but their stadium needs serious work. It has fallen far behind since the seventies, whereas Uniteds ground which was a poor 3 sided affair, has steadily and continuously improved with plans on the board for yet more capacity as well. It’s pretty even and Derby matches are something else, even neutrals can feel the atmosphere, winning that one is deadly serious. Both teams lack serious success if compared to a Liverpool or Chelsea etc, we seem fated so far to avoid true success, but we keep hoping.
Thanks Peter for your comments, I am hoping to visit both grounds this year, really looking forward to it, I really like both clubs,....... derby day, that would be great to witness!
I have been watching the Owls since 1955. The were "the yoyo team" back then. They had a good period under Harry Catterick when they ended 2nd to Spurs in division 1. Its been down hill for one period since, as the steel industry was reduced in size. (See "The Full Monty"). Its been shambolic at S6 for years but the club might get back into the championship if they dont slip up in the next couple of months. But they are Wednesday, and it is there culture to do things the hard way. Cant say much about SUFC; I went to Bramall Lane once when Fred Trueman was bowling, but havent been back.
Thanks Roderic for your informative comments 👍🏻
As a Wednesday fan I think we are a bit bigger than United but my god our record over the last 20 odd years is pitiful! We are slightly bigger due to our history and our stadium. But our recent history is dire and our stadium needs serious cash spending on it. But, we are at least resurgent under Darren Moore and the future looks better. One thing you must do is visit both stadiums for an important game. Last week Hillsborough was absolutely rocking against Plymouth with 33k+ fans there for a third division game. Well worth a trip up North!
Both grounds are on my ground hopping list, thanks for the comments 👍🏻
12 seasons in league one!!!!! How did that actually happen!
I recall my club Carlisle playing Wednesday for a couple of years before we went down but 12 seasons! In recent times is truly ridiculous; I can’t have heard it right surly?
Yep should be premier league really
@@jimmycburfield5997 thanks Jimmy, I’m looking to be ground hopping to Carlisle this year
I think we need to more focusing on how well both team supporters are I'm a wednesday fan but the faculty that both teams bring over 20,000 each home game is amazing
As a neutral, I would love to see both clubs in the top flight, great derby days
Average 28k at bramall lane, is Wednesday about the same?
@Boss Tweed 24k at wednesday so if your saying is true you bring more fans but the more important picture is what I said before we should be proud as a city that each week we can bring those kind of numbers it shows sheffield is a football dedicated city
@NakLabs I 100% agree with you. It was an honest question mate, not sarcasm. I'm the only blade you will meet that wants us in the same league. Derby day is, and always will be the best game to watch.
@Boss Tweed the problem is derby days with us lot always end in draws 🤣
Another great video Matt, keep then coming. A good new feature!
Thanks Liam, going to work on this new feature moving forward with plenty more comparisons on there way
Wednesday have that big club feel, the stadium and the 90s run makes it seem so
Yea I agree 👍🏻⚽️
As a blades fan I’d say we are bigger in the modern era both of our clubs are big respectively and both of us have big trophies to our names I’d say Wednesday we’re bigger a couple of decades ago and have more history than us but we have the better ground and owners stuff like that
That is a common theme I keep reading
You’ve been in the prem for 3 seasons in the past 20 years done nothing In the premier league in them 3 seasons but those seasons now make you the bigger club 😂there’s nothing that makes you a bigger club than us, it’s laughable
@@freddiemhd9535 I mean we have the older stadium we’ve been financially more successful and no our 2019/2020 season we tore the league apart and we are pl bound we are still a big side and if you choose to ignore that then so be it
@@freddiemhd9535 you cant even make premier league so what are you talking about
@@freddiemhd9535 highlight of your last 30 years was playing arsenal reserves when you all put the lights on your phones. Not many (if any millennials) will remember anything about you ever being slightly decent apart from when tuna man first arrived and the bounce slayer put that to bed. UTB/FTFP
I think one of your criteria should be social media following every club is on social media.
That is a great call Andy, I may use that for my next video hopefully next week 👍🏻
I just checked and Sheff U have more twitter followers then Sheff Weds!
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 i would guess then they have more on facebook and instagram.
Keyboard trolls lol
@@mattthegroundhopper9242they just played Premier league football, they're obviously going to have more. Twitter and all these social media hasn't been around when Wednesday was in prem. Can't go off that, plus majority of followers ain't even fans they're just football fans in general. All time bigger club Wednesday 👍
Not sure why the attendance record stopped at 18/19!? Other than that a decent summary although I think one thing that is difficult to summarise is that since 2000 Wednesday have reduced in size in my view, United the opposite. Why? Well as you probably guessed and as you mentioned, Wednesday haven't played top flight football since 2000, United on three occasions which might not be many but it's still significant over 0. Also for the vast majority of the 2000's United have finished above Wednesday when in the same division or United above Wednesday as currently the case. The exception being the 5 seasons out of circa 20 when United were in League One. So if the current trend continues with Wednesday out of the top flight and United in and out of the top flight I think you'll find United becoming bigger than Wednesday in terms of crowds (as currently the case in terms of average although granted Wednesday are in League One) and development to the ground/training ground. United's crowds have increased from circa 17,000 around 2000 to now 28-29000 average.
Thanks Robin for your comments, the reason the attendance stats stopped in 18/19 was due to covid and no crowds, it was skewing the stats. I think Utd have caught up a lot over the past 30 years, things evolve, they may be bigger one day??
Agree that United have the edge in respect of attendances. I think our City centre location and changing demographics attending games, ethnic minorities, more families , female fans, does seem to favour United. The area around Bramall Lane is more appealing, for example, brand new China town, Cultural Quarter, London Road, Abbeydale road, Ecclesall Road all with a plethora of real ale bars, breweries and restaurants. All that as well as the City Centre being 15 minutes walk away. By contrast Hillsborough is a pretty featureless and boring area with little of interest. Hillsborough is well served by the tram which drops you off at the ground. Kelham Island is also en route to Hillsborough which would be a big factor for me should I be an away fan. Spoiled for choice there with an absolute treasure trove of real ale bars and quirky eateries.
I'm a Blade and my mum is an Owl, so I think it's not as easy as you live here so you're this. Wednesday used to be the bigger club but with lack of funding and decades in the lower leagues the Owls have taken a massive hit. Hillborough is dilapidated and it's honestly a shame as I remember as a kid my Dad worked there and it was a beautiful stadium. Sheffield United are the bigger club in the modern era the brand is worth a lot more and many top pundits have said we should/could be a staple in the premier league.
Great analysis
nice articulate replay people not from the city don't understand the level of animosity between the clubs families don't talk to each other if they are of the other side .. being a wednesday fan we don't really relate to the united side of the family .. United have been the better Club for the last 20 years and have produced England Internationals Wednesday have had probably the worse 20 years of their history
What utter rubbish. Having spent many days at Bramall Lane, it's far from being the Wembley of the North.
@@reecedavies7518 At what point did I say it was Wembley of north? Go back to your crumbling 'stadium' and STFU.
Wednesday are massive
They have all the history
United have a song about chips
I don’t know this chip song?
Great feature, I thought it would utd to be honest..
The stats don’t lie John
I'm pretty sure these criteria can be set to suit someone's agenda.
What about performance in reaching league playoffs, Cup rounds, quarters, semis in the last 20 years.
Academy profiles - filling the ranks of international & Prem teams.
How about not ripping off local businesses and (& the Co-op) out of millions chasing success.
Club profiles, social media, stadia profiles - hosting football and non football events, effect in the community, fair pricing for fans, etc., etc...
The childish 'bigger' debate is nonsense, whereas who is better is more applicable. UTB
I’m just a neutral looking at the big ticket items, however the social media following is a good call
You missed 1! Playing in Europe 🦉Sorry forgot you 🐖 never have 🤣
You asked about where you live and does that correlate to whom you support? Well yes........and no, historically those from the northern areas of the city supported Wednesday, those from the South area and more centrally United but as the suburbs grew and people moved around then this is not so true. There are pockets where lots of United fans live and vice versa, I lived in a village that seemed to be more United than Wednesday although I was an Owls fan. Its more about family and what you were brought up on.
Spoiler - Honestly who is bigger? United if you are marking out of recent performances, historically Wednesday, when I was a lad United never even played Wednesday because of the difference in league positions however it always ebbs and flows, we have a few years on top then they have a few years on top.
United are just about to get big investment from a bloke called Dozy with a fake airline but if it comes off I expect them to have at least a few more years in an advanced position.
Thanks Matthew, great analysis, very well constructed.
Good concept, not sure about the points for winning Championship, L1 & L2 though. Promotion or a title at the lower levels in my opinion are the same value, not much worth in winning the league above finishing in a promotion spot. Also not sure about the size of the ground being worth a full winning round if it’s a close call. Average position over the 20 years and the honours in terms of cups, top division wins and promotions probably the most important. Good channel though!
Thanks Sam, watch this space as I have a new video coming with different clubs out in a few days with a revised scoring system 👍🏻
Please rechreck the attendances.
Hello Chips, re-check for what, they seemed correct at the time of posting??
⚔️ SHEFFIELD UNITED ⚔️
Up the blades
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 👍 ⚔️
Feet in both camps here, Matt. Firstly, when I was studying Geography with German at the University of Derby as a part-time mature undergraduate back in the Nineties, one of my German lecturers was a Blades' fan. Second, in the early 2000s, I hooked up with a young local band who styled themselves as a Mod band for the Modern Age, Censored, whose lead singer (another 'Matt'!) is an Owls' fan, so the singer beat the lecturer here! He calls Sheffield United the 'Blunts', BTW!
As a 'Derbyshire Canary' I've been to both Bramall Lane and Hillsborough to see NCFC on the road around these parts, twice in both cases, one time (29th December 2001, at Hillsborough) seeing my biggest-ever away win (5-0), which warmed up a very chilly late December afternoon!
One of my other German lecturers was a Bayern fan, so I was there at the right time to get one over her!
It’s nice to see you have travelled about for football, you cannot beat an away game especially if it’s your first visit to that ground 👍🏻
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 ...and it's not only in this country. During my studies at the UoD I did an internship on an archaeological dig in Derby's twin city of Osnabrück and my students' accommodation was well within walking distance of VfL Osnabrück's Bremer Brücke ground, so I went to a few games there, including a cup tie against Waldhof Mannheim, which was a cultural education since I was motioning to leave at the end of 90 minutes with the scores level only for it to go into extra time, which wasn't the way cup ties in this country go!
I got on very well with a fellow foreign digger on the EU's COMETT scheme on that dig who was a Pre-Columbian America specialist and who was born in Haarlem, studied at the University of Leiden and lived in Amsterdam and was a huge footy fan (of Ajax) so I left him with a bit of Norwich at the end of that summer in the shape of my NCFC mug! The UoD put on a coach trip to Amsterdam the following spring, travelling out overnight on a Friday night and coming back on the Sunday afternoon and we met up in the city the Saturday morning and towards the end of that day went on the train out to Alkmaar for a Saturday evening match between AZ and VVV Venlo, complete with floodlit windmills on the way between the stadium and the rail station!
@@christopherbentley7289 hello Christopher, you seem well travelled and very well educated, all very impressive 👍🏻
United has actually the much better Team - Wednesday has a much bigger fanbase.
That seems to be the theme what people are saying 👍🏻⚽️
To be honest Sheffield FC and they play in Derbyshire lol 😀👍
Thanks Martin, good call, I didn’t even think about Sheffield FC 👍🏻
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 of course, Sheffield FC have in the past played home games at Bramall Lane, as indeed have Sheffield Wednesday.
Sheffield United, much like Chelsea and Liverpool, began life as a club formed to occupy an existing ground.
@@luxford60 you know your stats and facts Christopher 👍🏻
They play in Sheffield
They play at cricket club on meadowhead
I've heard this argument about who is the bigger club for the last 40+ years, and it's a playground argument. Every club is proud of it's history, has its good times and bad times. What really matters is where the club is now and how it's planning for its future. I've always said that both clubs will be more powerful as one Sheffield club, but history and fan loyalty gets in the way. Football has moved on enormously since 2000 and most major honours are won by the top 6 clubs.
Thanks Wilf for your comments, everyone would always defend their club, I get that, but sometimes a playground argument are the best, light hearted and simple.
This is really an argument over who is least mediocre so shouldn't even be a discussion. And I'm a United fan, the real United not Newton Heath or the even more presumptuous UFC ones.
Thanks for your comments
Whenever i have this argument with a Blade, I just say 14,000 in playoff semi final? That simply wouldn't happen at Wednesday.
When was that?
@Matt the Ground Hopper 2013 vs Yeovil.
Well if you’re being selective with attendances, how many average attendances over 30,000 have Wednesday had in the last 45 years ? Precisely none. See, we can all be selective
@@antonyware9887 had 33,000 in our last homegame 😆
@@SWFC4life172 clearly don’t understand average attendances LOL
Wednesday need an image overhaul, in the form of an updated badge/logo and a stadium refurbish, if they're to keep up with United in the modern era.
Hello Peter, I think years of not being in the top flight have taken their toll on this big club, they need some serious investment to give everything a freshen up, but a sleeping giant!
It works like this - if you're an arrogant bastard with a false sense of worth, you're a Wendy. If you're down to earth, know who you are, accept it, accept that there are ups and downs, you're a Blade.
There's a bit more to it then that, isn't there Matt?
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 - no
I’m a Blade, really not bothered who’s the bigger club. Just a point the capacity for Wednesday is I believe 33,000 not 39,000. It’s a sterile argument and doesn’t have much relevance as to who’s bigger. Our combined averages would be bigger than Leeds and Sunderland. The Blades should be there next season.
Thanks Antony for your comments, if Sheffield were one club they would be massive, 50-60,000 every week, top 6 club
Mate of mine supports Sheffield United. A fun game is trying to get him to say the word "Wednesday" in any context at all.
Nice one Chris, I bet that hurts him at least 1 day per week waking up every Wednesday!
We just call it the day before Thursday 😂😂⚔️⚔️
@@Tosspot ah, but what do you call the girl in the Addams Family?
@@Tosspot 6 day week
@@luxford60 Wendy😂😂
Totally agree with that mate 👍🍻😜
Cheers Jonny
Sheffield United is the best better than owls anyday utb
Looks like you could be on the up at the end of the season
Well said..
Perhaps there should be another round for how many times each club has had matches featured on tv in the last ten seasons, I'm sure Utd would win that and that would explain why Utd have the lower attendances, because who'd want to watch a game on a cold wintery wet day or night when they can watch it in comfort in a pub or at home.
Thanks for your comments William, but if it were a cold wet night a floating supporter wouldn't watch their team whether they were on TV or not, true die hard fans go to the games in any weather, true??...being on TV is just an added bonus.
If you think pigs your delusional. Wednesday will and have always been the bigger club
Thanks for your comments, that's what the stats say
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 men lie women lie stats don’t wawaw uto ftb
Im going for SHEFF WED no P,L in allmost 23 yrs but still huge club last season SWFC had the best avg fanbase away outside of the P,L NOT BAD FOR L1 & they had 33,442 fans at hillsborough last week! swfc older,bigger,better, ive been to 3major cup finals watching swfc,europe, top tier 84-2000! sufc been to abig fat 0! last 23 yrs r worse in swfc history! its not even a debait SWFC all day!
Thanks for your comments Mark, well the stats tend to agree with you
The question should be which Sheffield ground has more empty spaces.
Thanks Chips, but they can be easily filled, can't they, on a good day??
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 Not Hillsborough matem H&S max of under 34K.,
Sheffield United Can’t even sell 36k tickets for Wembley Stadium as Sheffield Wednesday sold around 50k tickets & they didn’t even go on general sale
It’s not even a debate SWFC are lots bigger
Thanks Team Tyson, good point about the tickets sold at Wembley 👍🏻
Do a follow up including jut the last 20 seasons. Including " Premier league" , "visits to Wembley " percentage of ground full", " state of stadiums" , we of squad", academy products becoming internationals " and also cheating
Allegations. To see who's the bigger club at the moment .UTB ⚔️⚔️⚔️
. GREAT VIDEO SIR KEEP IT UP
Thanks Doc, the vibe I am getting from Owls and Blades fans are Sheff Weds used to be the bigger club but in the last 20 years United have caught up and overtaken them, appreciate your comments
Sheff utd are a small club in a big city
@@sheffchefa26 you couldn't close that gap if you could travel lightspeed .
@@sheffchefa26 sheff wed are a small club in barnsley its facts ya damn melt
I'm a blade utd are not as big as Wednesday but if the two clubs carry on the way are recently utd will overtake Wednesday soon as thhe new generations will be looking at utd being top tier and Wednesday under investment and miss management kill there club
Thanks 'The Saint', many people have stated this, I'm learning lots about both clubs every day
You got lucky with C Wilder who built a team with very little. If the Prince doesn't sell & you go up, he will suck you dry & down you will come.
Can you do Retford fc and Retford united
With such a small club Drason, why don't they just merge??
Don't make me laugh it's obviously SHEFFIELD UNITED always was always will be C"MON YOU BLADES 👏💪👏
What team do you support???
Proofs in the pudding. Trophy cabinet wawaw
What a joker the facts are out there UTO FTB 🦉
Blades simply the best - ahead of the Porkers
Premier league now Sean 👍🏻
22 years older
More trophies
Bigger stadium
More years in the Prem
Sheff Weds
The stats tend to agree with you Jon
Half of the Wednesday ground you can’t use as it’s been condemned so don’t agree about the ground point so a draw for me 👍
Cheers Danny, fair point
Half the ground? There was more there v Plymouth than your ground holds. So your point doesn't stand does it.
Whats your top attendance this season? 30,700 Wednesday 33k+ lol Jog on pal....
@@antonyeller934 when you got a ground as good as bramall lane ie no maintenance needed fire back pal 🤣
typical blade with the dodgy math no more than 5000 seats aren't used and Hillsborough's full capacity is around 37,000.
Wednesday are a Bigger Club. By Far.
Thats what the stats say Dan
As are Notts County
@@paulcosentino7032 might do a Notts Forest v Notts County video
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 Couple of things. Never call Nottm Forest, Notts Forest, ever. Our rivals (if you can call them that) are Derby. Many Forest Fans will look out for Notts County's results or take in a game if Forest aren't playing, same for Mansfield.
@@paulcosentino7032 Nice Bait, but it's out of date by about 90 Years .....
United.
Looking good this season
Even Blades fans know Wednesday are the bigger club....Wednesday one of the first clubs to form and one of the countries biggest underachievers with a huge following!
Without Sheffield Wednesday there would be no Sheffield United! Read the History Books!
Interesting fact
Why do you talk such nonsense. Wednesday have nothing to do with the blades. Read your history books
I've read em Pal. Born on the back of Wednesday! The Wednesday played at Bramall Lane BEFORE Pigs. The Cricket Ground didn't want The Wednesday to leave because of loss of revenue. So they formed their own team amalgamating players from Sheffield Rangers, the Wednesday, and players of their own. Hence the name United. The first football team named United!
You are the original United, but the original Franchised Football Club!
The mighty Sheffield Wednesday! Pig fans are deluded! 💪🦉🔵⚪
Is that their official name Stonka? 😀
Yes 🐽🐽
So Wednesday had a record capacity of 72000 in in the 1930´s and that´s why you think they are the bigger club? What a meaningless category. How can this be a debate in 2023? Sheffield Wednesday are a completely run down, outdated club that has not had any notable successes for decades. Their stadium is a rusty old shed that poses a danger to other people and should be demolished. I understand your points. As a United fan I would have said 30-40 years ago that Wednesday are a bigger club, but we live in 2023. The category recent success should be given a much higher priority.
But a record attendance despite when it was achieved is still a record, just like past honours, right?
H2H and the last 20 years are also meaningless categories in terms of club sizes. The only ones that matter we’re comfortably on top in
Blades are years in front of the Wendy's when it comes to the last 15years Blades have had more success, have for the better stadium compared to their rust bucket, superior players with real financial value and potentially a billionaire take over the futures bright its red and white ⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️
Good honest appraisal Alan, thanks for your comments
one fact you missed out is that Sheffield United are one of only five sides(Burnley, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Preston North End and Portsmouth)to have won all four professional divisions of English football
Hello Philippe, I didn't miss that, it was stated in the video, but a good fact to know
Winning div 4 (league 2) is nothing to brag about.. how can Wednesday ever have won league 2 when they've (thankfully) never been in it.
@@yeggydegz4330 My thoughts exactly
I certainly know who is better. I would say the Owls over the Blunts when it comes to who is bigger, not being biased and the Blunts do edge the Head to Head but definitely the Owls when it comes to who is bigger.
Owls: Bigger
Blunts: Better
Thanks for your comments Daniel, is blunts the nickname by the owls fans?
@@mattthegroundhopper9242 Yes, either that or Pigs
@@jacobburtonswfc GROW UP !!!
@@michael7286 I don't live in Sheffield, just stating what I've learnt online
I think them blades will be quite happy at only losing 4-3. Because deep down, they know the gap is WAY bigger than that.
I was quite surprised myself when I was scoring it, thanks for your comments.
We have a nickname for the wetdays grunters... The deluded (other than grunters of course) UTB!
Nice... and probably correct.
Thanks for your comments and agreement
I don't agree about your saying united are the biggest club than wednesday
Many people agree with you
I love facts WAWAW UTO
Thanks James, stats are stats, facts are facts, opinions can be somewhat biased, but that's why we love our football!
United a lot better but we’re a lot bigger, them lot can think having 3 seasons in the premier league over the last 20 years makes them a bigger club all they want, the fact is there won’t be many people alive today that we’re about when they last won a major trophy. Getting 14,000 in play off semi final as well 😮💨
Thanks Freddie, you are the second person to mention the 14,000, I understand it was against Yeovil, this seems to have tarnished them a tad??
Wednesday by miles
That’s what most people keep saying Jay Jay
Wednesday fact
Plenty of debate on this subject
@Matt the Ground Hopper we might be a league down them but we got more history then them and that's something they can't stand
Wednesday are the bigger club they have just had the Prem success recently put us both in prem and are fans are bigger
Wednesday need to be in the Premier League
Not sure who is the biggest club…but Wednesday are the most humble…😊
Honest comment
What you think your bigger than man utd and call yourself the massive 🤣🤣🤣humble don't make us all laugh..
That's true, a lot of humble pie has been eaten at Hillsborough in recent years.
I don't agree united should be the biggest club
You are in a large camp who are saying the same thing
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Is that a picture of an owl?
Sheffield Wednesday is bigger and we are massive in Sheffield
Whats the split in Sheffield, 60/40?
A dwarf with no legs is bigger then Wednesday
That’s a bit harsh