But their UI is like Melda Production or Denise Audio. I don't get the point in deliberately creating anything that would make anyone désire to become blind.
@@Dangenoir Yes, melda things sound pretty good and will happily continue using them. But thanks for the advice, i didn't knew people would see the GUI of the plugin when listening to my music and now i know :D
@@Dangenoir why would you desire to become blind by looking at the GUIs of their plugins? They look perfectly fine IMO. You can set them to dark mode if you think they are too bright.
Already getting the vibe this will be one that would be easy to get carried away with... which is a good thing, it means it sounds good, it just means you'll need to slash yourself in the face with cold water and remember your a adult that's a professional trying to add some edge now and not a rebelling teenager that forgets to wash
I haven’t used this plugin, but I’m pretty sure I saw in another demo of it that you need to adjust the calibration slider under the filter to set the auto gain.
In terms of tube boxes there is Freqport - Freqtube FT-1. I think there may have been some issues mentioned on forums but can't remember what. there is also the whitestone audio P331 but that only has one kind of tube. One seems more subtle than the other but there are so few audio examples it makes me think maybe they haven't taken off.
You should know about Liciel Franco's work (a Brazilian great mad audio engineer). He already made some of those 'tube only things' you're looking for.
It looks good, it has some nice functions built in; and it oversamples. All very positive! It's hard to judge the sound in detail on UA-cam, but you've shown off its range very nicely. Thank you!
Thank you for your explanation of foldback distortion. We can talk about aliasing bla bla bla, but the way you just dropped it was very clear at least to me.
it's interesting that there are 'preamp' tubes (like 12AX7's which are dual stage, I.e. of the type found in the 'gain' section of a guitar amp), AND power amp tubes like 6L6 (which are usually run with like ~ 400V plate voltage).
Wytse, if you want a GREAT "tube box" that uses alot of different (and very uncommon tubes), there is none better than the Thermionic Culture Vulture Mastering Plus. Designed by Vic Kearney (he was a designer on the original RCA tube console), I have 3 separate versions and they all get used regularly (I use my custom Mastering Plus version for, well, mastering, and then I have the Vulture Super 15 and the 20th Anniversary Vulture which I use all over the place). Actually I believe Thermionic Culture has just come out with a new special edition of the Culture Vulture, might be called the "Ultra Vulture" or something like that. You would love it, I'm sure. For your purposes, I would say just make sure you avoid the "standard" Vulture. The special editions and the Mastering versions have detented controls and better matched tubes.
Makes me wonder if the history of audio recording happened some other way, what other kinds of distortion would we enjoy but just don't realize it because it wasn't an artifact of the tech. For example what if audio hardware was somehow based on seashells and there was some spirally sloshy echo effect we would have liked but we haven't happened upon it yet.
Exactly like if audio where digital at first. I'm probably sure we would not like analogue as much because it would be no more nostalgic... I am sure the digital sound would have been nostalgic as much as analogue is and a lot of peoples would say that was way better before ahah.
Do you think that i you are mixing with lots of saturation and compression, if it would be advantageous just to run a session at a higher sample rate, like 96kHz? I specifically mean in terms of not having to upsample and downsample as often if you are using plugin chains where the majority of your plugins would be doing this anyways. I know there are some advantages for timestretching audio at higher sample rates as well, but I am primarily interested in which approach would be more computationally efficient.
In addition to the Culture Vulture and FT-1 mentioned already, there's also the Black Box HG-2 which sounds phenomenal. Plugin Alliance has a VST version of it that's pretty good.
@@AutPen38 I know, right? Lol. If I told you what a dummy like me spent on plugins you would try to find me and slap me twice. I have a plug-in addiction
Hey Man! Thanks for all the work you do! SSL is having a sale. X limit and x gate for only 50$. Was wondering what you think, maybe you could do a video to see if they are any good?
I definitely wouldn't call it snake oil. It might be a little overpriced (especially if you don't get the "essentials edition"), but it's a really good tool for checking translation.
What I meant by snake oil is not that it's necessarily a bad product but it's not what is advertised. It is aggressively advertised as the ultimate problem solver for monitoring which seems to be bull crap. You know what I mean? Snake Oil might be delicious on a steak, however it won't cure your cancer.
Im totally aware of what the explanation of oversampling is. (not that i think it tells me alot in therms of meaning, nor that im so shure many out there possibly feel much about a technical explonation (besides that something gets added without oversampling , whatever it is, or that its kinda "un", "unsomething" (unharmonic))) still: i wanted to say that in i personally turn oversampling rather off cause my taste, last time when i told you about my decision to turn it off. this is my subjective oppinion.
so yeah, with that , i basically said also that i poersonally rather turn oversampling off, because i preffere it to oversampling enabled (not always, but most times). atleast its not necessarly a major thing to my ears, IMHO
Hey Whitse, I agree with you about oversampling, I only use digital tubes, amps and comps/limiters with oversampling to get a better melodic result in the first place. It is as you as said. To describe what you just mentioned is this: imagine yourself standing in a sports hall with a gumball in your hand and you throw it in a curve, so the ball keeps flying until it hits the wall. And at the moment it hits the wall there are two ways the gumball might continue bouncing back (the Nyquist point) from that wall: up to the ceiling or back to the ground. If it flies upwards to the ceiling, it may land everywhere and you can't really detect, where to fetch it (no oversampling) , but if it bounces downwards you can clearly see where it could be catched (oversampling). Hope I described this concept well enough. :D If I'm wrong with it, please feel free to correct me.
Can you make a Video about the new A-Console by Sonimus. Its an API emulation with stereo crosstalk and nice analog saturation similar to kazrog True iron
I'm using a VST that emulates the sound of the S950, which is similar in principle to a bitcrusher (though more subtle) and there is also part of me that is nostalgic for the tinny sound of terrible mp3s. Dubstep did seem to love that bitcrushed sound, and there is definitely a love for low-bit video game music. I have to wonder if there will eventually be a resurgence for the imperfections of lower-grade digital when ultra-high sample rates become the norm with improved technology. I am definitely sceptical of claims that people inherently like analogue saturation for any other reason than it has a recognisable and familiar character and it's louder.
Actually, such a resurgence has already been going on to a certain extent. Goodhertz (the same ones as in this video) was the first to try their hand at it with their plugin "lossy", which is a plugin specifically dedicated to replicating lossy compression. Since then a couple of companies, mostly the more creative ones imo, have thrown their hat in the ring, abberant DSP's Digitalis is a whole digital degredation suite in one plugin, unfiltered audio's LO-FI-AF is a general use digital and analog lofi effect chain thing, and there's even a simple free one called Codec.
@@EricOehler01 Airwindows X Y Z series filters are very good for that old E-MU sound. His Mackity series is simply pre-VLZ 1202 old school jungle techno in a plugin too.
@@SamHocking I've got a mess of the airwindows plugs...I should really play with those more. Chris does good stuff. There's SO MANY of them and some are SO ESOTERIC though that it can get a little daunting. Gods, I used to own a 1202VLZ. Everything old is new again.
For the love of god will someone teach this man how to midi learn a gain knob. I don't know how Reaper works but in S1 it's quite literally a keypress. Takes quite literally two seconds to map a couple of controls. That is if the main gripe after all this time is still that Analogue lets you turn two knobs at once.
It's his niche. The idea is, most people don't read the manual. So the concept is, "how intuitive is the interface and how easy is it to make it sound good or do what it's suppose to out of the box"
I get the idea and it's a good thing to do, maybe at the beginning of the review, but it's only part of the job. Anyone who doesn't read the manual learned nothing and the developer gets sold short. Actually nobody watching the video learns anything but as long as you're entertained I guess that's all that matters.
@@TheMax1230 Yea. I watch em cause he's not afraid to say something is not good or a gimmick vs lot of other UA-camrs "MY NEW GO TO" "OMG RC-20 KILLER" "THIS WILL MAKE YOU SOUND LIKE A PRO".. on every plugin and conveniently have affiliate links.
I understand that and that's important but it's only part of the equation. That opinion has to come from an informed position otherwise it's a disservice to both the product and to us.
Have you seen the new clips channel? youtube.com/@whiteseaclips
I've got an Analogue Designs Black Box HG2. That might do you It's a magnificent tube beast.
Goodhertz plug-ins are amazing! Vulf Compressor and Tupe are some of my favorite plug-ins. Their tremolo and bitcrusher plug-ins are also real gems.
But their UI is like Melda Production or Denise Audio.
I don't get the point in deliberately creating anything that would make anyone désire to become blind.
@@Dangenoir Yes, melda things sound pretty good and will happily continue using them. But thanks for the advice, i didn't knew people would see the GUI of the plugin when listening to my music and now i know :D
Vulf Parallel Compression Preset is a gift from God.
@@Dangenoir why would you desire to become blind by looking at the GUIs of their plugins? They look perfectly fine IMO. You can set them to dark mode if you think they are too bright.
Already getting the vibe this will be one that would be easy to get carried away with... which is a good thing, it means it sounds good, it just means you'll need to slash yourself in the face with cold water and remember your a adult that's a professional trying to add some edge now and not a rebelling teenager that forgets to wash
*splash (don’t slash yourself 😅)
how hard is your water?!
@@marfaxa in England, so it’s not, but reminded now of my time in America 😂… you could literally smell the water in some places 😅
I haven’t used this plugin, but I’m pretty sure I saw in another demo of it that you need to adjust the calibration slider under the filter to set the auto gain.
Yesss exactly!!!
I really like the GUIs of Goodhertz plugins...no rackears, no glowing tubes
In terms of tube boxes there is Freqport - Freqtube FT-1. I think there may have been some issues mentioned on forums but can't remember what. there is also the whitestone audio P331 but that only has one kind of tube. One seems more subtle than the other but there are so few audio examples it makes me think maybe they haven't taken off.
You should know about Liciel Franco's work (a Brazilian great mad audio engineer). He already made some of those 'tube only things' you're looking for.
I Love That Plug-in 🤘
I love this plugin sooo much👀
It looks good, it has some nice functions built in; and it oversamples. All very positive! It's hard to judge the sound in detail on UA-cam, but you've shown off its range very nicely. Thank you!
Such a satisfying versatile distortion plugin. Thanks for the review
Thank you for your explanation of foldback distortion. We can talk about aliasing bla bla bla, but the way you just dropped it was very clear at least to me.
it's interesting that there are 'preamp' tubes (like 12AX7's which are dual stage, I.e. of the type found in the 'gain' section of a guitar amp), AND power amp tubes like 6L6 (which are usually run with like ~ 400V plate voltage).
12ax7's can be used in clean, audiophile tube designs. They don't have to be driven to obvious distortion.
The historical presets are magical on the drum buss.
Vulf Compressor is one of my fav tools ever. GHZ kills it
I wanna thank you personally for showing me this plugin. OMG - I LOVE IT. For me, one of the best in a year.. +
Of course we all want to know did you use Tupe for the distortion in the intro?
Wytse, if you want a GREAT "tube box" that uses alot of different (and very uncommon tubes), there is none better than the Thermionic Culture Vulture Mastering Plus. Designed by Vic Kearney (he was a designer on the original RCA tube console), I have 3 separate versions and they all get used regularly (I use my custom Mastering Plus version for, well, mastering, and then I have the Vulture Super 15 and the 20th Anniversary Vulture which I use all over the place).
Actually I believe Thermionic Culture has just come out with a new special edition of the Culture Vulture, might be called the "Ultra Vulture" or something like that.
You would love it, I'm sure. For your purposes, I would say just make sure you avoid the "standard" Vulture. The special editions and the Mastering versions have detented controls and better matched tubes.
Makes me wonder if the history of audio recording happened some other way, what other kinds of distortion would we enjoy but just don't realize it because it wasn't an artifact of the tech. For example what if audio hardware was somehow based on seashells and there was some spirally sloshy echo effect we would have liked but we haven't happened upon it yet.
Exactly like if audio where digital at first. I'm probably sure we would not like analogue as much because it would be no more nostalgic... I am sure the digital sound would have been nostalgic as much as analogue is and a lot of peoples would say that was way better before ahah.
Do all Goodhertz please! I would watch your videos even for the ones I have already bought! :D
My gosh I absolutely love this plugin, I use it on almost everything
Wow! Gonna check this out! Thanks for demoing 🥳
Thank you for all the useful information and explanations
Nice lots of control here, i wish it had mid/side too.
Do you think that i you are mixing with lots of saturation and compression, if it would be advantageous just to run a session at a higher sample rate, like 96kHz? I specifically mean in terms of not having to upsample and downsample as often if you are using plugin chains where the majority of your plugins would be doing this anyways. I know there are some advantages for timestretching audio at higher sample rates as well, but I am primarily interested in which approach would be more computationally efficient.
Awesome! This plugin looks and sounds really enticing! Will check it out soon
@4:20 BUY a Marshall JCM 800, actually two, for stereo!
In addition to the Culture Vulture and FT-1 mentioned already, there's also the Black Box HG-2 which sounds phenomenal. Plugin Alliance has a VST version of it that's pretty good.
Just Tubes sounds niiiice! Thank you sir for the vid, nice plug-in. BTW, I bought Focal Shape Twin speakers. Sounds amazing!
I would buy your „just tube box“. Because that’s the only addition I need for my digital synths.
Gotta pick this up asap! Great review as always!
Might have to add this to the collection of 34 saturation plugins I own
Only 34? You slacker! You need at least 38 to make music as good as Darude's Sandstorm.
@@AutPen38 I know, right? Lol. If I told you what a dummy like me spent on plugins you would try to find me and slap me twice. I have a plug-in addiction
Dude! If you ever make a tube box can you make a video on how you went about it. I'd love that!
I love distortion.
Its my favorite thing in the whole world.
Thanks for the video! Sound like a great plugin!!
I'm pretty sure that 'cal trim' on the right is the autogain your looking for.
Fantastic overview and I learned something!
Sounds really good to my ear.
A box with tubes that works as a plugin does exist. It's called Freqport - Freqtube FT-1 and i'd really love to see you review it.
OH 🤦♂️ _TUPE!_ Tube + tape = *TUPE.* Brilliant 👏👏👏
Hey Man! Thanks for all the work you do!
SSL is having a sale. X limit and x gate for only 50$.
Was wondering what you think, maybe you could do a video to see if they are any good?
Interesting plug-in. Good review
Would you give slate digital FG-2x compressor/limiter a chance to review? I’m curious how you rate it compared to PRO L2. Thanks!
I'd be really interested in having your opinion about Slate VSX. I see a lot of hype but I'm very suspicious of it being snake oil.
definitely not snake oil. some top producers & mixers use it. i wouldn't ever mix into it but its great for checking mixes
I have it and it's great. I use it for checking mixes and mastering my own mixes
I definitely wouldn't call it snake oil. It might be a little overpriced (especially if you don't get the "essentials edition"), but it's a really good tool for checking translation.
+1
What I meant by snake oil is not that it's necessarily a bad product but it's not what is advertised. It is aggressively advertised as the ultimate problem solver for monitoring which seems to be bull crap.
You know what I mean? Snake Oil might be delicious on a steak, however it won't cure your cancer.
Im totally aware of what the explanation of oversampling is. (not that i think it tells me alot in therms of meaning, nor that im so shure many out there possibly feel much about a technical explonation (besides that something gets added without oversampling , whatever it is, or that its kinda "un", "unsomething" (unharmonic)))
still: i wanted to say that in i personally turn oversampling rather off cause my taste, last time when i told you about my decision to turn it off.
this is my subjective oppinion.
so yeah, with that , i basically said also that i poersonally rather turn oversampling off, because i preffere it to oversampling enabled (not always, but most times). atleast its not necessarly a major thing to my ears,
IMHO
Hey Whitse, I agree with you about oversampling, I only use digital tubes, amps and comps/limiters with oversampling to get a better melodic result in the first place. It is as you as said. To describe what you just mentioned is this: imagine yourself standing in a sports hall with a gumball in your hand and you throw it in a curve, so the ball keeps flying until it hits the wall. And at the moment it hits the wall there are two ways the gumball might continue bouncing back (the Nyquist point) from that wall: up to the ceiling or back to the ground. If it flies upwards to the ceiling, it may land everywhere and you can't really detect, where to fetch it (no oversampling) , but if it bounces downwards you can clearly see where it could be catched (oversampling). Hope I described this concept well enough. :D If I'm wrong with it, please feel free to correct me.
Don’t really understand your poetic analogy, but now i want to go buy a gumball and throw it in a basketball court.
@@sub-jec-tiv so to check if my metaphor fits?
Wouldn't it be better to use that cal trim slider rather than input and output sliders?
PLEASE make the Just Tubes Box!!
You should make that Just Tubes box and then tell us how to make it!!!😁
Once again,, thank God someone finally came up with a distortion plugin!😖
Like the drum sound a lot before the plugin , any tips for that?
Can you make a Video about the new A-Console by Sonimus. Its an API emulation with stereo crosstalk and nice analog saturation similar to kazrog True iron
They should add a third T, for transformer, to make it complete
Try the Freqport FT-1 ... it's a box with just tubes :D
If you want box with only tubes, no transformers and so on, then thermionic culture vulture classic edition is one of few)
Hej Cool Video Thank you! I have a question, are you still running your projects at 192 khz?
You mentioned 2 types of digital distortion in the beginning of digital audio one was aliasing distortion what was the other?
Hard clipping
I don't need screws but man that UI screws with my head, so hard to look at wouldn't be able to use it xD
Get a pair of Radial Space Heater 500 series units or a used SPL Charisma
Thermionic culture vulture for tube saturation👌
Hmm ... i think I know what you'll be reviewing next. FTSB ?
I love wss
Great track
Singular audio tubedrve might be what you're looking for
I love this plugin...and vulf is dope on drums
How does it compare to Saturn?
I'm using a VST that emulates the sound of the S950, which is similar in principle to a bitcrusher (though more subtle) and there is also part of me that is nostalgic for the tinny sound of terrible mp3s. Dubstep did seem to love that bitcrushed sound, and there is definitely a love for low-bit video game music.
I have to wonder if there will eventually be a resurgence for the imperfections of lower-grade digital when ultra-high sample rates become the norm with improved technology. I am definitely sceptical of claims that people inherently like analogue saturation for any other reason than it has a recognisable and familiar character and it's louder.
Airwindows has stacks of stuff like that. Some of the best sounding filters out there imo.
Actually, such a resurgence has already been going on to a certain extent. Goodhertz (the same ones as in this video) was the first to try their hand at it with their plugin "lossy", which is a plugin specifically dedicated to replicating lossy compression. Since then a couple of companies, mostly the more creative ones imo, have thrown their hat in the ring, abberant DSP's Digitalis is a whole digital degredation suite in one plugin, unfiltered audio's LO-FI-AF is a general use digital and analog lofi effect chain thing, and there's even a simple free one called Codec.
RX950? I love that thing.
You might dig aberrant Digitalis too.
@@EricOehler01 Airwindows X Y Z series filters are very good for that old E-MU sound. His Mackity series is simply pre-VLZ 1202 old school jungle techno in a plugin too.
@@SamHocking I've got a mess of the airwindows plugs...I should really play with those more. Chris does good stuff. There's SO MANY of them and some are SO ESOTERIC though that it can get a little daunting.
Gods, I used to own a 1202VLZ. Everything old is new again.
My brain is distorted now
Thx
For the love of god will someone teach this man how to midi learn a gain knob. I don't know how Reaper works but in S1 it's quite literally a keypress. Takes quite literally two seconds to map a couple of controls. That is if the main gripe after all this time is still that Analogue lets you turn two knobs at once.
You could call your tube box, UA-cam, because you tube and that's all you do. It'll be a good name, see if it's available.
Please build the tube thing!!!!!!
The look on your face in the vid pic says it all 😂
DISHDORSHUN!!!
But where are the authentic hardware screws?! How am I supposed to adjust things without hardware screws?!
will it make my songs sound like puff daddy's greatest hits?
freqport: just different tubes + usb
There is no auto gain just in case you want it to be the wrong volume after the fact.....xD
"Just Tubes" - mark me down for 2! Please.
Dude...make that Justube box.
The oversampling tip just explained everything wrong with my 1/2 of my bass mixing. JFC
Don't know if the drums sounds better? Maybe for some type of music, but distorted drums are generally not a good sound.
Tupe is amazing. My go to saturation on my latest album “Imperialicious.” Tho it sounds better in dark mode 😁
Ah!
Goodhertz does windows now!?
I ran across them when they were mac only, thus of no interest to me.
I would describe the pentode as wooly and hairy haha
there is a new piece of hardware it has like 7 tubes in it i wish i could remember the name its like 700 dollars im going to buy it
Do it!
Djust Chubes
D I S T O R T I O N
tupa
Comment for da algorithm
Streak count: 123
DISTORTION!!!
JusTubes
"Just Tubes" Hopefully noboby will jump on this before you do !
you can call it just + tube = jube
For virtual tape, I vape.
$129 for a saturation plugin? Get serious. You can get a budget DAW for that.
The amount of stank face this plugin can unlock >
DISTORTION!!!
Ahhhh…… ye olde Dave Gruel Effect.
All due respect, not reading the manual and releasing a review is just lazy journalism.
It's his niche. The idea is, most people don't read the manual. So the concept is, "how intuitive is the interface and how easy is it to make it sound good or do what it's suppose to out of the box"
I get the idea and it's a good thing to do, maybe at the beginning of the review, but it's only part of the job. Anyone who doesn't read the manual learned nothing and the developer gets sold short. Actually nobody watching the video learns anything but as long as you're entertained I guess that's all that matters.
@@TheMax1230 Yea. I watch em cause he's not afraid to say something is not good or a gimmick vs lot of other UA-camrs "MY NEW GO TO" "OMG RC-20 KILLER" "THIS WILL MAKE YOU SOUND LIKE A PRO".. on every plugin and conveniently have affiliate links.
I understand that and that's important but it's only part of the equation. That opinion has to come from an informed position otherwise it's a disservice to both the product and to us.
You shouldn’t need to read a manual for a well designed plugin. That’s the entire point.
Only the UI makes me NOT want to buy it...
I wonder what's up with your nails? do you have a daughter? 😄
Distorshon