Steve Lawson Removed - Won't Repent? (Raw Footage Included)
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- Steve Lawson Removed - Won't Repent? (Raw Footage Included)
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Firstly, I intended to post this on my 2nd channel, but for the sake of reaching a broader audience posted here, so please ignore part of the intro. If you want to see the video I did breaking down the letter from Steve Lawson's church, use the following link, as it's not on this channel:
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Regarding the clip I added at the end of Steve Lawson. What was striking to me is that many in the crowd laughed. Was it because there were many Calvinists, and they though that biblical ileteracy was hilarious and they are prideful of the position they hold? Or was it because it was so shocking they didn't know how to respond, thus a nervous laughter? Perhaps a bit of both? I don't know for sure. But the out of place laughter, IMHO, is a result of a significant spiritual problem.
Correction #1:
During the part in the video I used the term "partial depravity" . I was trying to find words to explain my point, and used poor terminology. I was attempting to express that as we age, we are all prone to sin, and therefore need to rely on Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. Please don't take what I stated as me trying to form some strange doctrine of we're half good and half bad. It was poor terminology on my part because I was searching for words I couldn't find. This video was a cry from the heart, not a technical presentation.
Correction #2:
When I said Calvin advocated for the beheading of Michael Servetus in stead of burning, I got that wrong. He advocated for him to die by the sword. This was another technical error, but did not materially change the point I was trying to assert.
Correction #3
Another technical error. I said Steve Lawson called children little monsters because I couldn't remember the exact words used. He actually called them living corpses, which IHMO is equally or more shocking.
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To correction 2. King David set up a man to be murdered after he raped the man's wife. Sooooo please go speak bad about David. And while you at it go call God dumb for saying he is a man after God's own heart. Sounds like there is a blend of David in Lawson and Calvin.
Let's start there.
@@NOWministryYes but it still doesn’t make it right that’s why God punished King David although we should never be glad when God punishes anyone
@@NOWministry Proverbs 24:16-18
New King James Version
16 For a righteous man may fall seven times
And rise again,
But the wicked shall fall by calamity.
17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,
And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
18 Lest the Lord see it, and [a]it displease Him,
And He turn away His wrath from him.
That’s strange that he calls children living corpse
@@onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044 He deleted my comment so I guess he doesn't want me responding. I'm aware God disciplined him. My questions were for thinking purposes.
I agree with you about the forgiveness part, I thought it was just me. Im praying for him and his family.
This seems to be a complicated topic. I am still exploring this. I do like reformed theology. I am ex-charismatic. I don't claim to be a calvinist. But not matter how you slice and dice it God is always good. Even if we don't understand His ways. I know I definitely do not understand His ways. Life is not turning out for me personally how I thought it "should" as a Christian. I am struggling. Prayers much welcomed!
Your comment comes across humbly, which is admirable. I also understand that many people who are ex-charasmatic end up taking a serious look at Calvinism. It makes sense upfront, because they see a people not driven by their emotions who claim a bible centric view. If I could present it this way (without going into details) they're two opposing sides of radical, fringe views of scripture, and it's why those two sides are always fighting against each other. Not conforming to either position makes you an outcast among the masses, which is where I have been. It's okay to say you love the Lord, but don't know where you stand on some of the fine details. Honesty of our own limitations in understanding is VERY respectable, and sometimes being silent is the most wise position. My life has been a struggle in many ways, so I'm right there with you. I've been through patches where I wish I were dead, and the book of job was the only thing that could comfort me. Your on my mind and in my prayers, and if you have any bible questions I'm always willing to try and help where I can. Sometimes I even make videos based on viewer questions.
When you were talking about who Jesus is (i.e. God or a liar), it reminded me that I once heard someone say that about the Bible itself...it's either true, or it's all a lie. No middle ground for us to adjust to our own selfish desires. Thank you for reminding me of that!
Awesome video brother!!!
its interesting that when someone is against a position concerning theology they usually go after someone who holds to the position they dont agree with.. i have walked with the Lord since my young hippie days.. im 73 now.. i went to Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa. Ca. when it was the only one and a big circus tent... most churches today are from the arminian position.. and i followed that theology for most of my life.. searching the Word and seeing that today most false teacher/false apostles etc are coming from the arminian camp... with that said i believe now calvinism is the right view of His elect.. can u be an arminian and be saved sure... but for me i have never felt this
close to the Lord in almost 50 years... you can bash calvinism its ur choice .. but it seems ur bashing the preacher more than the theology... you might want to look at the theology again... u do have the free will to do so... dont look to man look to our Lord.. there is where u will find the peace..
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm neither Calvinist or Arminian. I think the divide has pushed people into extremes, and the focus on scripture alone has been lost. I agree with you that many Arminian sects are further deteriorating. And yes, I think it's a tribal reaction for people to focus on only critiquing people they disagree with. Almost all sizeable reformed channels I have found are filled to the brim with them all talking about the same prosperity preachers like Copeland, Hinn and such, as if it's the only thing they ever want to talk about. I personally find it to be extremely redundant, and very off putting when it's done in a mocking fashion (though I agree all prosperity teachers are wolves) . I strive to use equal weights and measures, and critique people of all persuasions. I stopped attending religious, 501c3 non-profit organizations a long time ago, so I'm not aligned with any specific religious sect in which I pledge allegiance to. I made clear this video was not an exegetical refutation of Calvinism. I was sharing my raw thoughts on the matter after reflecting on the last 20 years of study, and the people I have come across that hold such views. I agree we need to look to the Lord and scripture. One thing that bothers me immensely about Calvinism is the extreme focus and flattery of post-biblical figures. In some instances I'm convinced it's pure idolatry. My previous videos discusses it a little bit. Anyhow. Thanks for the chat.
@@JDsVarietyChannel hi thanks for ur responce... if ur not a calvinist or an arminian.. whats left is the Roman Catholic church... which u dont want to go there.. arminianism is closer to RCC than calvinism I think u would agree we are not saved by works.. its grace alone faith alone Christ alone... ie calvinism. ( lack of a better word) its a simple truth and i leave it there i dont look at preachers to influence this truth.. its all about the fact that He chose us we didnt choose Him... i think we are on the same page... one thing im sure about is His deep love for His elect..
@dwg6977. Thank you for your lovely testimony.
Well said. It doesn't matter what camp Lawson is in. He is a leader held to a higher standard. He had an adulterous relationship and is disqualified from leadership. Its that simple. Sad this guy used Lawson to bash calvinism. Maybe he doesn't realize many arminians have fallen as well. Also this guy is totally off about calvinism. I mean really off.
@@janetkostrewa1046 i had a thought today... if u dont talk about either position.. the natural man will always start from the arminian view concerning elect etc... most religions are on a works trip... we need to do something.. Now i believe that it takes the Spirit to reveal the fact He has already chosen his elect.. once u see it... it changes everything .. draws u to the heart of a loving God... that is my answer to everyone who thinks calvinism is wrong... i wont argue with anyone .. all i know is the Spirit has opened this truth to me... The Lord is good.. always
Thank you so much for saying all of this. I believe GOD IS LOVE.
God is love. But if you read your Bible carefully - God is a God of wrath too - He is a God of Justice. Sin must be punished!
All our theological kerfuffles will be solved when we’re with our Lord. As a Calvinist, I will give you a big hug when we see each other there :)
Nice light hearted message for a change, you got a chuckle out of me. Considering we are both there, which I hope in faith for, to whom shall I look for? I am sir Jonathan!
@@JDsVarietyChannel When you reach Glory, look for Axel. If you don't find me, that would be because you beat me there sir Jonathan ;)
Steve Lawson, more than anyone else in the many years that I have been born again, has influenced my theology and Christian life. His series on the attributes of God exposed how I had “squeezed” God into God is love, which He is, and shortsighted myself to His other attributes, such as wrath, justice, judgment, and vengeance. His teaching on the Trinitarian Jesus, the resurrected Jesus, showed how I had also locked Him into the Godman Jesus of the gospels, ignoring the resurrected Jesus who threatened churches in Revelation with serious consequences if they didn’t repent. It showed me that the Trinitarian Jesus, God the Son, is demanding when it comes to sin in the church - and in my life. Stop sinning! Steve’s teachings unmasked the sentimentalist Jesus I had grown accustomed to who is soft on sin: the Jesus of most of the American church and in my life: not the “real” Jesus. God used Steve to instill in me that Jesus “demands” me to live a holy life. I believe when saved you are saved forever. But Jesus is also my Judge, and of all born-again believers. He died so He will see the agony of His soul and be satisfied (Isaiah 53: 11); all born-again believers are the agony of His soul. And I want Him to be fully satisfied with me because I took sin seriously beyond new birth to live a holy life. God used Steve Lawson to teach me it and to move forward to where I am today - and the knowledge of the Word to keep moving forward until I reach heaven. Never once did I think of him as a celebrity preacher, nor on a pedestal - only as a man who rightly divided the Word of God. Be careful how you denigrate his work. And him. You could be guilty of sin right along with Steve.
Steve fell NOT because of Calvinist doctrine, he fell because his knowledge and relation with Jesus Himself was not close. Don't make this about Calvinism. It was never and it will never be about Calvinism. It was about a poor personal (of the heart) relationship with Christ.
I don't think anyone can fully claim one way or the other. I said I think that it was a contributing factor, based on studying the evidence. Naturally my views will not align with yours, because I think Steve was preaching a false Jesus, therefore he didn't have power over sin. Remember, restraint that comes from the Holy Spirit is not the same as behavioral modification. A non-Christian can go through life without ever committing adultery, it doesn't mean they have the Holy Spirit and are saved. Even "nice" people can end up separated from God for eternity.
did Peter have a poor relationship with Jesus before he publicly denied him? was David not a man after Gods own heart when he sinned with Bathsheba? Sin in the life of a Believer doesn't indicate a poor relationship with God.
Edit: Original poster deleted their comment, so it looks like I'm talking to myself:
Peter's relationship was shaky, understandable. But he grew in sanctification and courage and became bold as an older man, dying for Christ. David's prodigal son experience is overused and taken out of context. The "man after God's own heart" is in response to king Saul being rejected as prophesied by Samuel, and that David was God's pick, and did many mighty things at the Lord's bidding. Did he have the heart of God while committing those evil sins? No. That would make God evil if that's the case.
Regarding "Sin in the life of a Believer doesn't indicate a poor relationship with God."
That's the HUGE problem when taken to it's logical conclusion. You didn't differentiate any types of sin. So if a lifelong preacher of faithful Calvinist doctrine is still elect if they raped babies behind the scene?
YOU have gross doctrine.
Sin has NOTHING to do with our relationship with God? YUCK!
I rarely say such things. But get out of here with your WICKEDNESS
You went a step above what Calvinist's teach and are advocating gnosticism, that everything of the flesh is evil and everything of the spirit good, and that nothing you do in this body matters.
Do you know this doctrine lead to public org*** ?
Even John MacArthur disagrees with you, and I could share an article on his thoughts on this topic if you would like to read it.
@@JDsVarietyChannel honestly, it doesn’t matter much to me who disagrees with me. It matters everything that what I believe, and live a grease with the word of God. It just seems very irresponsible and impulsive to make a statement that there is a possibility even that Steve Lawson‘s fall is due to the arrogant doctrine of Calvinism. That to me sounds more like a commentary that is made from the perspective of a theological school, rather than the scripture itself. We need to be very careful that our tongues issue statements that cannot be backed by the word of God. And this is a warning that should be at the forefront of any publications done by UA-camrs. Know that you will be judged by the Almighty judge for every word that comes out of your mouth use your platform to build up the body of Christ, don’t tear it apart and divide it more than it already is. Again, John Calvin and his doctrines of grace did not really have anything to do with Steve Lawson’s fall. It was a weakness in his relationship with our Lord that caused him to fall. This is basic Bible doctrine.
So now that he has fallen, how about publishing something that will exhort the body of Christ to holiness, how about creating a video just to pray for our brother Steve Lawson, his repentance, and that God may restore him to a life of awesome holiness…
@@JDsVarietyChannel Dude you need to just stay in your lane, which is maybe off the Internet
Your ideas on probably what most people believe regarding "Calvinism" are very skewed. None of us know if our children will go to heaven or hell ; all we can do is pray for them, share the Bible and the Gospel with them, and trust the Lord will save them. No one has a yellow stripe down their back to tell us if they are already saved now or going to be saved before they die. And as MacArthur, Sproul, Spurgeon and others have said, whether they were chosen or not, the responsibility still lies with them. They choose not to believe and will receive their judgment in the lake of fire. Your attitude betrays your stand. When denying what Calvin realized in his study of the Word of God, it is God who chooses whom He will save. And He did this before the foundation of the world. If your child's destiny was totally up to them, and God or you as their father do not make any impact in their lives, then it appears you are a man without any faith in the Lord. We must place all of our loved ones in His hands and allow His will to be done.
I'm sure Calvin would be very perturbed that the doctrines of election, predestination, and God's choosing are called after him. His understanding of these doctrines came from much study of the Word of God. And he merely tried to pass what the Word of God clearly states, page after page in His blessed Holy Bible.
Regarding election and choosing by God, it appears many such as yourself are not happy with His choices. You even said you hate such a God. It would seem you have built a huge wall between your spirit and His Word. Let's stop and think about this in an elementary manner. Did He choose Abraham among all the men of his day. Then, did He choose Israel among all the already established nations? Did He choose Egypt, then Assyria, then Babylon, the Medes and Persians, Greece, and then Rome. How dare you, God for not choosing to make my nation great! Then He chose Moses, saved him from death by a mid-wife, saved him in his little ark, and used him to bring his people to the land of promise. Then, what about all the prophets he chose, Jeremiah, even before his birth, he says. What about choosing David instead of one of his other brothers? Try Ezekiel 36:22-38, to see an example of how God watches over those He chooses.
Think about the Apostles the Lord chose for His twelve; they didn't choose Him, He chose them. What about John 9 and the man born blind. Oh, this was really mean of you God, in making this this man blind from birth! But then He healed him, and all this was for the glory of God. Then what about Lazarus; he died! And the Lord waited four days, so there was no doubt that he was dead. And what did the Lord do? Lazarus, come forth! Again, all for the glory of God. He raises whom He wills, and He lowers whom He will. Who do we think we are, trying to tell God what and how He should do things? Even regarding salvation, He is the One who seeks and saves that which is lost. Luke 19:10 and Matthew 18:11. It is not us, out looking for Him. After all, we are dead in our sins, Ephesians 2:1. Dead men, spiritually dead, are not out seeking Him. It is He, seeking to save us. Bless His holy name.
It says HE came forward with this inappropriate relationship. As far as I know he’s the first one who’s done that which is a good sign. Remember we’re all human, we all sin and mess up. His days as a pastor and teacher are over unfortunately but he can be restored. He can repent and Christ is faithful to forgive him and we all better hope he is forgiven or it doesn’t look good for the rest of us considering Mr Lawson has been a Christian for a long time. I think you’re reading into the statement a little too much btw. You said I’m not gonna jump to conclusions, look at your title! Did you lie in the title? You blatantly insinuated he will not repent or isn’t willing to. I’m just saying as saddened as I am by this, we all need forgiveness daily. Personally I do not believe Calvinist believe in a totally different God. And I also do not believe we can now condemn all calvinists because one man has now admitted to sin. Remember, we’re told to remove the log from our own eye before pointing out the speck in others eyes. We all have sinned, we do daily. We all misinterpret scripture also. Especially younger people in the faith. There’s a reason a new convert and a man who is young can’t be a pastor or hold other offices. I’m just saying you seem to be so sure, but what does Calvinism have to do with Lawson’s admission?
He got caught and was forced to admit it. There has been no repentance.
Yes I did notice this as did others. It leaves us not really sure about this
What we are not sure of is whether Lawson is really born again, and if he is, has he confessed his sin to the Father, and repented? Hopefully so.
My grandfather was a Presbyterian Minister. He had an affair on my grandmother with his secretary. He wholeheartedly believed that it was God's will for him to be with this other woman- she was the one he was "really" supposed to be with, so he divorced my grandma and married this other woman. Obviously, sin was the cause of this, however his beliefs led to his unrepentant heart. If one believes that God meticulously decrees all that shall come to pass (as the Westminster Confession states), then of course it was God's will for that to happen. Not every Calvinist has this perspective of course, but it does happen. I know from personal experience in my own family.
I know of a spiritual groomer who did the same thing. The whole "I was meant to be with you" . They are sick people!
@@JDsVarietyChannel My Mom also shared with me that was never any talk of accepting The Lord or choosing to humble yourself and follow Him- no talk of a personal relationship. Makes sense considering his beliefs. My Mom did not know her father was a Calvinist at that time or what it was.
It was not God’s will for your grandfather to have an affair with another woman. God’s will aligns with His words. Exodus 20:14 states, “You shall not commit adultery”. Other Bible verses that condemn adultery include Proverbs 6:32, Hebrews 13:4, and 1 Corinthians 6:18. Your grandfather was living in sin and might have believed it was God’s will but he was wrong. It was his win.
@@Michelle-ls4vf I agree
John 3:16&17
We ARE Born into a FALLEN WORLD with a FALLEN NATURE. When you have a Child & Lavish LOVE on them and Emulate CHRIST JESUS to them and TEACH them About JESUS and the GOSPEL of Salvation ..... Your Child may appear sweet and lovely and obedient children ....and THEN TURN AWAY from your GODLY INSTRUCTION and from their CREATOR GOD. These parents ( and there are MANY) Are Heartbroken and Very Disappointed and Spend Many hours in Prayer for the Salvation of their prodigal; Rebellious, and Defiant Children. HOWEVER, Unless the FATHER Gives the Child to The LORD JESUS CHRIST ... and The HOLY SPIRIT Does a mighty work of GOD to Humble and Convict that Child/Teenager/Adult Child .... their Children will be destined for HELL. GOD DOES NOT FORCE HIMSELF UPON ANYONE. # WE are ALL BORN with FALLEN NATURES and BORN INTO SIN. # BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO GOD IS, AND WHAT HE DID/DOES/DECIDES TO DO ....DOESN'T MAKE IT FALSE. YOU DON'T HAVE THE MIND of CHRIST JESUS and ARE NOT THE EXPERT ON GOD'S WORD & PLAN For HIS CREATION.
If you do not agree with Calvinism, what is your theological tradition or belief.
Follower of Jesus The messiah, reject the christ of Calvinism.
I try to follow the new testament model as outlined in scripture. The best way to do that is study scripture itself, and study the 1st century church to try and avoid added rituals and doctrines of man that are not found in scripture or taught by Jesus or the biblical disciples/apostles. I am part of no specific sect.
Proverbs 24:16-18
New King James Version
16 For a righteous man may fall seven times
And rise again,
But the wicked shall fall by calamity.
17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,
And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
18 Lest the Lord see it, and [a]it displease Him,
And He turn away His wrath from him. (God can change His plan, in these verses God can change and not give wrath to someone). Also Isaiah told Hezekiah to put his house in order because he’s going to die and Hezekiah prayed and God gave him like 15 more years of life. So calvasim is a big no because there’s also many many more examples in the Bible
God told Cain that sin is knocking at his door and that he must master it that it wants him. This is also why calvanism is a big NO.
Gaslighting you hit the nail on the head
Jesus said in Matthew 9:13 ...for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Paul said "all have sinned", but that was in the same chapter as "the poison of asps is under their lips", which we know is hyperbole.
What I don't get about calvinism/lordship theology is they probably believe 'his act of adultery proves he may not be saved ' and yet at the same time believe 'he was predestined to do it!' Many times I've heard them say 'if your not repenting that proves you don't have real faith ' and that ' God predestined everything'
So God predestined sin ??? I don't think so !
That's where they run into more subjectivity within their own camp. I don't think there's a good consensus. When you ask Calvinists where they draw a line with being able to tell if someone is elect or not based on poor behavior, you get a wide variety of answers. Admittedly, it's not always easy to understand outside of Calvinism, but I think it's certainly less muddied. To some extent the same issue applies to non-Calvinist OSAS (the Arminian version of the P in Tulip) . Back to Calvinists, some of them say it's impossible to know if someone is elect, even yourself (which dismisses we can have assurance of salvation) . And some base it on your track record, whether or not your sin is continual and unrepentant or a one off thing, which is more reasonable. It also would depend of the type of sin. Adultery doesn't seem to bother them in the salvific sense if it's short lived, but I would suspect that peds and murder may be different. It's tricky, because you have to keep in mind they look at Luther and Calvin as Christians, even through they used the arm of the state to advocate for the death of who they considered heretics. When you push them they'll condemn their acts, but say they were still saved. And almost always they tragically contrast it with the story of David. That story is literally their scapegoat for monsters. They are split on the issue from what I can tell. The legalism seems to be a systemic issue. Because if you are of the ones that view yourself as elect an immune from hell, but someone with visible sin non-elect, then there's a huge temptation there to elevate yourself over others. They're not all like this or teach this. But I still find it to be lived out differently among congregants. For example, since I'm a non-Calvinist, I've had multiple Calvinist's question my faith because I refute them sharply and call their theology a doctrine of demons. It makes sense though, because I become the adversary of the god they're protecting and revering. I've found that most of them won't talk about people's salvation, about whether their saved or not. Considering their dilemma, that's probably wise to remain silent, at least it keeps you from appearing a fool. I've been in this battle a long time, I think it's impossible not to view this divide and a primary issue. I think it's two different belief systems, not just a secondary issue within Christianity. It's a battle over who God is, not when the rapture is going to occur, or whether it will occur at all.
God knows what we will do, but He does not predestine us to sin. That is our choice. We can know a lot, such as Lawson, and still be lost, as Judas; and he chose to betray the Lord.
Your words are heartfelt, but don't forget....there is such a thing as historical arrogance as well....
I agree, and I study history. Are you alluding to anything specific you think I should know? Always willing to learn if there's something I don't know.
@@JDsVarietyChannel Your response to total depravity, for example, was very emotional but missing the mark on how that doctrine has historically been treated. Your definition of the term would not line up with most Calvinists' definition of the term. My understanding of the way Calvin himself used the concept is the idea that man is completely incapable of keeping the Law - and thus pleasing God - in his own strength and ability. His entire being (thus the "total") is affected by the fall (and thus "depraved") which means that even outward adherence to the Law would be utterly devoid of any goodness. Every thing we do is tainted (inside and out) by sin and separation from God. Luther's own wrestling with his ability to be justified before God left him in despair - until he recognized the same truth. That man is incapable of pleasing God in himself. This doesn't mean, however, that ever person is as bad and wicked as they might be. God restrains expressions of evil. But that doesn't change the fact that the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked - that no one can know it and out of it flows all manner of evil. What we call good, God often calls wicked. Our own standards are seriously marred by being who we are. Luther and Calvin - and here the history becomes more significant - came out of a system that was entirely centered in their own "good" and "meritorious" works. They had been fed the traditions of men and had accepted it as the truth of God. Coming out of that was a little like going from spending years in a dark dungeon to being cast out into the light. It takes the eyes some time to adjust. Luther's view of the Jews is at times misunderstood and at times ripped from the context in which it was given. He had been made subservient to a system that mimicked many of the aspects of the Pharisaical system and could not abide the works righteousness that dominated in either Rome or Jewish teaching. It flew in the face of that which brought him liberty. In that sense, they were novices (young in the faith) and it could be argued they shouldn't have been teachers. They may even fit into that mold of "well meaning people" you referred to.
What does your hatred for God have anything to do with Steve Lawson’s scandal?
Sad you would resort to childish baiting.
My bother inlaw a Baptist teacher at the time , had a ffair with a student even left his wife got a apt with this student did drugs cocaine , for like 4-6 months the church blamed the student and church forgave the teacher of course , sister in law took him back and 11 times he has cheated on her so far smh , both were to blame i feel but thats how churches work when it comes to men they get off on crimes they do
I think there are so many examples where the man gets slandered. I could name 10 men in the last year that have been exposed. I don't remember the name of ANY of the women let alone when it was even given. You have to do better than this comment.
Hi Debra. It depends on the organization. Some are very authoritarian in the sense that they hide the issues of men and victim shame the women. However, in modern culture there has also been a massive shift to the other side where the woman can say no wrong, and men are hung out to dry at no fault of their own. I take such issues on a case by case basis and try to look at the facts and peoples behavior. Many of these problems would be avoided in the first place if these so-called churches were not tax free 501c3 entities, run like businesses. Also, the pastor as the head honcho church model frequently goes off the rails. There are many deep issued in organized religion. If people went back to the NT model (meeting for edification in homes and in smaller groups) these would not be systemic problems.
Not all churches are like that. Some follow the biblical teachings
Sad she continued to stay in that marriage. No matter what the church leaders do or say. they were wrong. sad she tolerated their opinions. Sad it happens all the time. Don't follow church people, follow Christ and Him only.
@@JDsVarietyChannel agree
I watched once Lawson's video ,looking for a bible study and something did not sit right me,he appeared exactly as you say,a bit arrogant to say that he knows the whole Bible.I mean ,who can know the whole Bible,I think nobody and even if you know a lot in theory, where is the fruit of spirit in you ? One always need to read it for renewing their mind. I did no go back to his bible study again.
Agreed. Knowledge versus understanding. Proverbs details what true understanding is. Book smarts and understanding are not the same thing. Calvinism is an intellectual gospel. They tend to have many good speakers, but speakers void of the influence of the Holy Spirit. It's dangerous because they do speak much truth, truth mixed with error and arrogance. It can be very deceptive.
When will there be more metal detecting videos?
Hopefully in the future! Just not digging right now. :)
Your video is disguising
Calvin reformer ??
Charles Spurgeon and George Whitefield wept and pleaded for souls to repent as did countless other preachers past and present who affirm/ed Scripture's doctrine of election. / You cite no Biblical references for the alleged Biblical alternative to Calvinism but only engage in broad-brush condemnation of it while citing to be Biblical. You would be wise to work harder at forming an argument before venturing forth on to your conclusions. / Re your comments on Lawson, Calvinism is not fatalism as the puritan Thomas Watson wisely summarized: "God always has a hand in the action where the sin is, but He never has a hand in the sin of the action." / I would encourage you to read more on Calvinism and the debate in relation to Arminianism before ranting against it. The following suggestions (among many others) address your objections and misrepresentations: Calvin's Institutes (primary source material); George Whitefield's letter to John Wesley on the Doctrine of Election; "Spurgeon v. Hyper-Calvinism: the Battle for Gospel Preaching" by Iain H. Murry; a response to Dave Hunt's book, "What Love is This? Calvinism's misrepresentation of God" by pastor Steven Cole of Flagstaff, AZ linked here: www.the-highway.com/br_whatloveisthis.html
Maybe I’m missing something here. But i can’t figure out why YOU feel the need to comment at ALL on this subject. Let alone thinking you’ve got some kind of divine ‘right’ to speculate on what is, or isn’t, in someone else’s heart.
Btw, I notice that you didn’t forget your pitchfork on the way to storming the castle.
I’m pretty sure that Mr. Lawson, his family, and their church have enough to deal with without having you putting your two cents in.
So they have a sperate "church", and are not part of Christ's universal body globally? You discredit you own arguments via sectarianism/tribalism in violation of scripture by considering other Christians as outsiders.
Also, if you want to consider my words a pitchfork. Fair enough, though I disagree. I've made it clear I wish the best for Steve and that his soul is saved. I take an anti vengeance stance and don't believe in violence (or even military enlistment) . Luther and Calvin wanted their doctrinal enemies imprisoned or killed. They used far worse than physical pitchforks.
So either condemn Luther and Calvin as heretics, or admit your own inconsistent standard.
Calvinism IS dark and depressing. Smh
It has a very black heart indeed!
It’s a terrible and false doctrine!
the bible is dark and depressing
@@Malmorious If you pray for illumination as you read, you'll be surprised by just how much Light it contains!🙏💡
And the God that…YOU HATE…actually… is the God of the Bible! And you will never understand only if this God Himself reveals Himself to you through the holy scripture! God help you! Your humanistic explanation of this God you hate is just that….its a very sadistic evil human verbal…described understanding…of this God YOU HATE! This God who is in control of everything…who is the Potter and we the clay…who raised up pharaoh as a clay pot for…dishonor…and does everything for His glory and His honor…not ours!!!! This God saying…”My counsel shall stand…and I will do all my pleasure!” “Calling a ravenous bird from the east…the man that excuteth my counsel…from a far country…yea…I have spoken it…I will bring it to pass…I have purposed it…I will also do it! Isa 46:10-11. And a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense…even to them that stumble… at the word…being disobedient…where unto they were appointed! 1 Peter 2:8! The Bible is full of scripture declaring the truth about this God you hate! May He open your eyes!
The saying goes… Jesus is either telling the truth or, or he’s a liar or he’s mentally ill.
I can't distinguish between the two different channels Jd when I try to locate your metal detecting channel.
I'm posting some various content on here right now. Whenever I treasure hunt I will still post here (may be a little while, still in a season of taking a break) so if you want to skip these types of videos no worries.
Why the false dichotomy with the Jesus figure in the Bible? Why can’t he just be a made up story, possibly loosely based on a real person? Why the assumption the Bible is the literal “Word of God”?
Example: Ragnar Lothbrok. He is one of the most famous Viking characters in their history. It’s believed that his story is based on the life of 3 different Viking leaders named Ragnar. The stories are mixed with some history, some truth and some fiction. But the accounts aren’t considered literal.
That’s the way most scholars view the New Testament. There could be a couple different people that Jesus was based on. Stories told down in time tweaked, embellished and changed along the way. Until the Gospels are written down some 50-100 years later.
I know, I used to be a Christian and I know one of the fundamental beliefs of Protestantism is that the Bible is the Divine, God-breathed, inerrant, infallible Word of God. But just because that’s what is taught doesn’t mean that is what is true. It’s really no different than any other holy book. As matter of fact it is full of errors.
But back to my original question. Why does Jesus have to be a liar, lunatic or Lord to borrow from CS Lewis? He can just be folklore.
You have no idea if he has repented or not. God knows and he knows but you are bearing false witness at this point. Have you repented? The log in your eye is quite large at this point.
There is a question mark at the end. I did not make a statement regarding his repentance. And if you watch the video I clearly stated I did not know. I only pointed out that the elders wrote the letter in a way that states that repentance has not occurred yet, and I was actually hoping for his sake that was poor wording or a typo. I refrained from passing judgement on the issue until more is known. What I did accuse him of (via the clip at the end) is on his claim that non-Calvinist's are what they are because of pride and arrogance. That is him stone throwing, and I called him out on it.
It came from his church elders that Steve Lawson admitted his failure but did not express a need to repent. When you sin and it is public repentance starts with confession to those harmed. His whole church as well as all who follow Jesus are harmed. Indeed the cause of Christ is besmirched. I pretty much agree with this young man. All sin starts w a thought that is entertained and becomes a foot hold for Satan. Mr Lawson has brought shame to our Savior . He knew what he was doing and knew it was sin. Further reality is that Me Lawson indulged in his pet sin more than once. I agree while we may and should see his repentance in his life going forward,only Jesus knows if he really is sorry for and willing to turn from his sinful behavior .
@@JDsVarietyChannel you know you worded it that way as click bait. It is arrogant to think that a person dead in their sins can contribute to their salvation. The only free will an unsaved person has is to choose to obey their sin nature. Gods sovereignty is not subject to men. Man is subject to Gods sovereignty. Man gets exactly what he is punished for his sin. God is sovereign and can show mercy to whom He chooses. You need a higher view of God and His supreme authority over His creation
@@neverpc4404 I'm over Calvinist's telling me I have a low view of God. Insult gladly accepted. I fully reject your position and will not argue with you. Just because I believe I have a will to accept or reject God's grace does not mean I believe salvation derives from any part of myself. It's dishonest of what my position is, and what many other believe.
@@autumninvirginia1229 where does it say he didn’t repent? It doesn’t and for you to say that is bearing false witness.
Soo your view of theology is correct??
Professionals protect the profession at the expense of the customer
Actually the Holy Spirit does help us to live a godly life. We could never do it on our own. I'm definitely not a calvinist. It is a doctrine of demons. But Jesus left His holy spirit for us so we could fulfill the great commission.
Absolutely. When I said "holy spirit" that was under my representation of a counterfeit, Calvinist holy spirit. I certainly believe the true Holy Spirit is where my leading and strength comes from. :) I was just highlighting in my hypothetical story that Calvinist are also trinitarian in theology. If their overall view of God is false, then their version of holy spirit is also false.
Doctrine of Demons? pretty strong statement .Have you read any of John Calvins writtings? Or do you just drink the cool aid others give you.
Sad this guy used Lawsons sin to bash calvinst. All he said about calvinist is completly off the wall. Be careful. You will be judged by the same measure you judge others.(Author Jesus)
This is the best incident of recent time to l call out Calvinists reformers. 100%
Calvanism is not of God!
The Bible says the righteous should judge the unrighteous
Took the opportunity to dunk on Calvinists eh? Taking the high ground I see
I take this seriously, and pray people consider my plea. I don't believe in cheap shots. When a viewer insulted one of his suits, saying they were cheap like him, I rebuked them, even though they agreed with me on the doctrinal issue. I don't desire to be tribal like how many sects act. So if you view my actions as not taking the "high ground" so be it. I don't think anything I said in this video was inappropriate.
@@JDsVarietyChannel as soon as you started knocking Calvinists I was done
Absolutely a great time to confront Calvinists. Other times are great too, but this is optimal.
@@truthseeker5698 yeah because only Calvinists commit adultery 🙄
@@thj_art pure ignorance or avoidance on your part with this response.
Sola de do better, much better.
Well he wasnt human was a alien ! All regilions were made by one group still here on earth we were to be spiritual people not religious people and they knew that too, vlash did it
Sounds like your talking about the Voddie Baucham sermon on how babies are actually evil and want to kill us (vipers in diapers!) - its a terrible sermon that reveals the black heart of Calvinists in general and Baucham in particular!
I heard that term, but have never seen that sermon. I'll have to look it up. I made an amendment in my pinned comment. The phrase Steve Lawson used was that children were born living corpses. =/ I said monsters as I remembered incorrectly. Either way, it's all terrible stuff.
@@JDsVarietyChannel I hadn't heard that one but it sounds equally as disgusting - these men are so full of pride they are utterly impervious to their own sins & faults - which is a dangerous place for any Christian to find themselves. Given God predestined all their sins (allegedly) I guess He'll just have to accept the blame!🙄
I hate that Roman church doctrine of "evil babies." The reformation was truly the re-formation.
Here's what Scripture says on that matter:
Also the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, saying, Thou also shalt not go in thither. But Joshua the son of Nun, which standeth before thee, he shall go in thither: encourage him: for he shall cause Israel to inherit it. *Moreover* your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
Deut1
Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.
- JESUS
Oh btw, question all their traditions, including their canon. Test and prove all things by the Deut 18:19-21, Deut 19:15, and Deut 13:1-5 tests.
@@JDsVarietyChannelJD, I just came across your content today due to this Lawson issue. You strike me as someone willing to challenge traditions of men, even the most sacrosanct among them. That's good.
JESUS' WORDS ARE THE STANDARD
(The true Jesus presented in the gospels, not by the thieves and wolves in sheep's clothing which came later)
@caroldonaldson5936 - do you know the name of that Voddie Bauchum sermon?
like nails going down the chalk board
Does your God condone passive, condescending remarks without any substance? Or do you wish to apologize? I will accept your apology if you ask.
@@JDsVarietyChannel nah absolutely no reason to apologize for hearing how much you hate the God of Calvinism. This video is a disgrace to the church. Why would you even care the way you talk about reformed doctrines as if you understood them. Do you know that you said you hate the God of the 1st great awakening? Do you know that you hate the God that Spurgeon preached? Just repent man that’s all anyone cares about. That is all sir that is all.
Understood. Thank-you for detailing your thoughts. I respect that more than your first response. I will not address your questions as we are not going to find common ground, and I try to avoid debate for the sake of debate (since we are both entrenched in our positions) . Also, just because this video was an intentionally a loose paraphrase of my overarching thoughts on where such doctrines lead, does not mean I don't understand reformed doctrines. That's an assumption on your part. I understand there's much nuance on the way reformed doctrines are presented, and also know not all who claim reformed doctrine agree on all points. On a final note, you have an image of a false Jesus on one of your thumbnails. Not sure if you have thought through the ramifications of such imaging, it's origins and how it corrupts the image of God, but it's disturbing. How about in going our ways I dwell on your criticism and you dwell on my parting thought. Fair?
Calvinist are not arrogant, they are just passionate!
Do us calvinists get a bad rap? Maybe so but unfortunately there are plenty of arrogant people of every theological persuasion.
Brother hell is the grave only. Salvation means we get out of the grave through Jesus Christ. The unbelieving dead simply perish exactly like the scripture says.
Your arguments are weepy toast milk where seemingly you don’t believe that God is God if it grates against the sensibilities of your darkened intellect.
I accept the divide as I outlined. One day I will answer to God for my words, and you will have to answer to God for calling my intellect dark. You or I are a liar, may God be the judge.
You’re speculating
Irresistible Grace 🤔
Do you mean like when Saul was smacked down off his horse on the road to Damascus?
Cool.
Paul writes he was obedient to the vision. Cooler
Keep reading calvies.
@@truthseeker5698 Yes, Paul had been born again and could now choose Christ freely and willingly. Whereas before the only choice Paul could freely choose was that which was in his nature, to hate Christ and kill Christians.
Keep creating God in your own image.
Coolest 😎
@@robgibbs216 Your projecting your cult lines and lens.
. Frozen supposen chosen.thaw out with the Son.
Your choice.