I think it's telling that this video compares based on character' builds and appearance, but not their roles and kits. That yet another unforgivable flaw of Concord: their designs tell you NOTHING about what they're supposed to do.
They copied OW and there is some kind of similarity in appearance, i did Apex Legends and Valorant comparison and it was pain , Concord characters are just to bad to compare to anything , i had to just look for similar colors to make a comparison
This is funny since Overwatch is one of the few games where "diversity" is still one of their selling points and it is way much less politicized. I guess having good character design and story probably helps
Overwatch is all about conflict, social workings, oppression of minorities, the interplay of society and technology, fascism, terrorism, the morality of warfare, paramilitary action and how conflicts are instigated. The Overwatch itself is a UN Agency, for crying out loud! Overwatch is extremely political. It's just that the actually political themes go above most people's heads, and instead they think a gay person existing is political. What you think is politics is nowhere close to what politics actually is.
In my opinion, "diversity" isn't the problem, the problem with Concord's designs was they were all boring, the characters are plain looking, and the art style is kind of ugly. Compare with Overwatch, the cast is diverse, but all the characters look some variation of badass, sexy, or just straight-up cool. At the end of the day, most people don't care what race a character is (or at least they shouldn't imo) so long as the character looks COOL.
@@myyyth Exactly. As an artist who tries his heart out at character design, I strive to be as good as the people who made Overwatch's characters (not the Overwatch 2 redesigns, they're lame). Tracer is imO still one of the best character designs ever. Widowmaker is an exact inversion of Tracer. Phara manages to be the most American trope ever (flying super-soldier with big ahh gun), but make it Egyptian while feeling neither tacked-on nor steretypical. Mercy is just an angel, but so sensibly designed that she's belivably a sci-fi doctor. DVa is just a gremlin. Soldier:76 is John Soldierman, but actually adapted to Overwatch's setting. Reinhardt is a medieval German knight who's actually not a stereotype.
As a graphic designer myself Concord violates a lot of design elements making its characters either too generic or too loud. 1. Armor designs are too rounded, and old style. It has a lot soft elements that does not convince anyone that its capable of protection. Looks like foam and leather and not metallic armor. Not enough details between and within parts. 2. Color combination and placement doesn't make any sense. The placement of colors that stands out doesn't make any sense. The contrasts are too localized and focused on one place instead of distributed (i.e yellow shoes on purple dress, white helmet on green and red armor, white and vibrant red helmet on pale peach bodysuit). 3. Matte surface and non dynamic lighting. Matte surface scatters light differently from metallic surface. Mech and armor looked like they are coated with matte paint, which fails to sell it as reliable armor part. We associate matte with plastic and leather. 4. Their pose, the clothes and weapons don't tell what they do. It doesn't paint a picture or doesn't have a lasting impact. It is hard to guess what is their role in the game and how they'll perform. Is this character fast? Is this character tanky? Sure on general aspect of things we can see that but there's too many overlap between characters.
I know they're going for a retro 70s style. But it's like they spent millions of dollars trying to design cheap costumes from a C-rate sci-fi movie of that era. Which I'm not sure is a great idea trying to create the next big mega franchise.
2:05 For someone who has purple, and gold as their favorite combination of colors… *_this makes me greatly depressed seeing it made HORRIDLY on a character._*
I wonder if the characters for concord had better like rough drafts and just over time got wilted down into the boring stuff they have now. Like there’s not been one character I’ve seen where I was like “oh shit that’s kinda cool”. They look like they were specifically made so people could cosplay them using as little money as possible
How, I repeat, HOW does a game that took almost 8 years to develop have worse character designs than a game that came out literally the same year it began development?
Seriously stop asking that stupidly naive question. Nothing take 8 years to develop. it's probably a project-on-paper that got put on the top shelf most of the time and got cobbled together in the last minutes. Actual development time for this is about more than a year estimate.
@@ElEseLlamadoAngeloSFA What is it that you fail to understand here? The game was a half ass or more like a quarter-ass effort done in a short time. Not an actual 8 years of careful development. Plus DEI
Remember how hardly anyone complained about Overwatch introducing a diverse, international, stereotype-nonconforming cast of powerful men and women of different sexualities and ethnicities in 2016? Those were the days... (They weren't, but not everything was insanely politicized) I can't imagine the BS that would ensue if Overwatch was introduced today. Society is losing its mind.
Most people honestly just don’t care. We don’t have an issue with diversity, hence why people still don’t complain about Overwatch’s diversity. Yes, there are a few people that take it too far, but most of us just hate when diversity is prioritized over entertainment.
@@bigt1574 Incorrect. Face it: Most people can be sold anything with the right marketing, because thinking for oneself is hard. And insane fascists are selling their allergy towards the existence of minorities more and more.
@@bigt1574The main problem is too many people just lose it at the thought of something being even “slightly” woke. Doctor Who (2023), Ms. Marvel, and a variety of other shows has a surplus of review bombers that only rate these shows 1 star, conflating the actual ratings as people come in to counter-bomb it, basically making the 1 and 10 star spots useless. Hell, even shows that aren’t targeted by grifters get targeted by these people. Andor has a nice spread from 10-8 stars, far less in 7-5, 4-2 are about the same, and then a minor spike in the 1 stars. Doctor Who has two large spikes in the 10 and 1 stars, and then the curve otherwise averages around an 8. I’m not saying none of these reviews are real, Ms. Marvel genuinely isn’t good, as it’s a lawyer drama with little lawyer stuff, and the only silver lining basically being her teaming up with Dardevil and the ending that basically shows how revenge p*rn suits would normally go. Space Babies is probably the worse first non-special episode of a Doctor since the Twin Dilemma. The main problem is people conflate the problem with minorities existing rather than the bad writing itself. This problem exists in all media, where something is called bad for similar reasons, until it becomes successful, in which case, whoops! It wasn’t woke after all! This happened with: - Across the Spider-Verse - The Bad Batch - Baldur’s Gate 3 - The Barbie Movie - The Fallout Amazon Show - Into the Spider-Verse - The Super Mario Bros Movie - Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and Mace Windu. - Spider-Man Miles Morales Bad stuff can exist just being bad instead of being some elaborate plot to eradicate some demographic. The Twilight series is going through this recently, as the scrutiny currently going on isn’t about a woman writing a vampire story or vampires glittering in the sunlight, but rather the awful message where teens should go after people MUCH older than them, ignore red flags in relationships, and that weird anti-choice stuff going on. Diversity isn’t the problem, but people treating it like it is a huge factor ignores the bigger problems in storytelling mediums, plus makes it harder for genuine feedback and reviews on this thing. If the “woke” thing has to break box office records or have millions of sales to be considered a success, that makes it harder for even the good to okay games in this made-up category to be noticed. I’ve only heard of games like Dustborn or Concord through people hating on it, and they’re all complaining about it being woke, but one’s still buyable right now, so that can’t be the problem with both games.
We didn't complain because... we normal people don't have a problem with DEI unless it's intentionally fcking shoehorned into a game to the detriment of ACTUAL CONTENT for brownie points?
Both Overwatch and Concord have "diversity" in their characters, but the difference was that Concord choose to make them ugly. Can you make a video comparing Concord desings with Apex Legends and Valorant desings please.
@@WafelPrzekladany tf 2 comparado ao overwatch tem gameplay defasada,é fato q em gameplay e outras partes tecnicas overwatch 1 e 2 superaram tf 2 a muito tempo
OW characters have a very distinct style that when you look at them, you go “oh that must be an overwatch character. I have absolutely no idea what sort of tropes or similarities or style is supposed to be between concord characters.
Batista has the weakest design of all Overwatch characters, still having a rotund miss after 25 consecutive ballers is still a good streak. Miss Digger is fun and niche, your opinion is just an opinion, but she sure isn't even a top 20 in design.
Hey bro, dont insult Bap and Venture that way, maybe they aint between the best character design heroes in OW in terms of being cool or pretty (skins aside), but they still have good designs, comparing them to Concords ones is caping xd
There’s literally nothing wrong with Venture’s design. The character is an archeologist who digs the dirt like a mole, and even excavates like one. It makes sense since that’s the intention with the character.
@@MatheusOliveira-em4jh "nooooo!! She should have manicured nails, tons of make-up and big boob and butt like widomaker otherwise it's bad character design!!!" - Gamers
One of the new OW characters released (Venture) was their next step on inserting a diversity character in terms of design, but she's actually not that popular afaik, because a lot of players don't like her design (she's kinda ugly) and mainly her personality (she's really annoying). I don't know if this will affect her skin release schedule, but according to the leaked concept art for future skin releases, they are already showing concepts for Juno, but none for Venture.
@@scrollingthru45 Reading comprehension, "brother". Lol Everyone and their mother know OW is diverse en general. I was talking about how Venture is diverse to the point her design makes her so unappealing that she isn't getting any skins, while Juno has already skin concept arts done that were leaked. It's way too obvious and people that play the game laugh at how Venture might not even get a skin for Christmas.
@@silvertaken I understood what you said just fine but if you think Venture was the only character designed with diversity in mind then you are slow. Anyways later lil bro 💀
I wish one day make a overwatch type of game but make everyone equivelently broken so everyone has fun without the need to be good on certain heros to play them and dont feel a bot is making a game harder just because of the character. Unfortunatly some of the heros i like and are fun already have the perfect design and habilitys toguether, so it would look more like a copy. Junkrat and Ana my beloved ones ill find a way to make u without be a dirty copy and still let u look good and be as fun as now.
Theres a clear way to make "ugly" characters without their fashion being insanely just dogwater. The right fashion can turn anyone into a king or queen given the way it fits around their body creating a unique silhouette.
Overwatch has a definitive art style and good game play. It’s not solely the forced diversity aspect that contributed to Concord’s failure, the game just looked and played like complete sh*t!
I think it's telling that this video compares based on character' builds and appearance, but not their roles and kits. That yet another unforgivable flaw of Concord: their designs tell you NOTHING about what they're supposed to do.
They copied OW and there is some kind of similarity in appearance, i did Apex Legends and Valorant comparison and it was pain , Concord characters are just to bad to compare to anything , i had to just look for similar colors to make a comparison
This is funny since Overwatch is one of the few games where "diversity" is still one of their selling points and it is way much less politicized. I guess having good character design and story probably helps
Overwatch is all about conflict, social workings, oppression of minorities, the interplay of society and technology, fascism, terrorism, the morality of warfare, paramilitary action and how conflicts are instigated.
The Overwatch itself is a UN Agency, for crying out loud!
Overwatch is extremely political. It's just that the actually political themes go above most people's heads, and instead they think a gay person existing is political.
What you think is politics is nowhere close to what politics actually is.
In my opinion, "diversity" isn't the problem, the problem with Concord's designs was they were all boring, the characters are plain looking, and the art style is kind of ugly. Compare with Overwatch, the cast is diverse, but all the characters look some variation of badass, sexy, or just straight-up cool. At the end of the day, most people don't care what race a character is (or at least they shouldn't imo) so long as the character looks COOL.
@@myyyth Exactly. As an artist who tries his heart out at character design, I strive to be as good as the people who made Overwatch's characters (not the Overwatch 2 redesigns, they're lame). Tracer is imO still one of the best character designs ever.
Widowmaker is an exact inversion of Tracer.
Phara manages to be the most American trope ever (flying super-soldier with big ahh gun), but make it Egyptian while feeling neither tacked-on nor steretypical.
Mercy is just an angel, but so sensibly designed that she's belivably a sci-fi doctor.
DVa is just a gremlin.
Soldier:76 is John Soldierman, but actually adapted to Overwatch's setting.
Reinhardt is a medieval German knight who's actually not a stereotype.
That's because Blizzard didn't try to make Overwatch a diverse game. They made a good game that happened to be diverse.
@@MrWilson812 False. Diversity doesn't come naturally. Instinctively, we're all xenophobes. It's our thoughts that elevate us above that.
As a graphic designer myself Concord violates a lot of design elements making its characters either too generic or too loud.
1. Armor designs are too rounded, and old style. It has a lot soft elements that does not convince anyone that its capable of protection. Looks like foam and leather and not metallic armor. Not enough details between and within parts.
2. Color combination and placement doesn't make any sense. The placement of colors that stands out doesn't make any sense. The contrasts are too localized and focused on one place instead of distributed (i.e yellow shoes on purple dress, white helmet on green and red armor, white and vibrant red helmet on pale peach bodysuit).
3. Matte surface and non dynamic lighting. Matte surface scatters light differently from metallic surface. Mech and armor looked like they are coated with matte paint, which fails to sell it as reliable armor part. We associate matte with plastic and leather.
4. Their pose, the clothes and weapons don't tell what they do. It doesn't paint a picture or doesn't have a lasting impact. It is hard to guess what is their role in the game and how they'll perform. Is this character fast? Is this character tanky? Sure on general aspect of things we can see that but there's too many overlap between characters.
I know they're going for a retro 70s style. But it's like they spent millions of dollars trying to design cheap costumes from a C-rate sci-fi movie of that era. Which I'm not sure is a great idea trying to create the next big mega franchise.
Bruh, why everyone in Concord looks homeless, even the alien, EVEN THE ROBOT
Hey! don't compare us homeless people with them!
Even OW has diverse characters. They just dont make eyes bleed when I look at them.
"Diverse character" = way to syphon money out of the stupid people
@@dieg0639 Game is free, little guy.
2:05 For someone who has purple, and gold as their favorite combination of colors… *_this makes me greatly depressed seeing it made HORRIDLY on a character._*
Nah this comparison is just way too much.
Overwatch, every square inch of a character tells something about that character
Like Juno's *GYATT*
We have overwatch at home
Overwatch at home:
I wonder if the characters for concord had better like rough drafts and just over time got wilted down into the boring stuff they have now. Like there’s not been one character I’ve seen where I was like “oh shit that’s kinda cool”. They look like they were specifically made so people could cosplay them using as little money as possible
How, I repeat, HOW does a game that took almost 8 years to develop have worse character designs than a game that came out literally the same year it began development?
they/them don't know, gamers are racist i guess lol
Seriously stop asking that stupidly naive question. Nothing take 8 years to develop. it's probably a project-on-paper that got put on the top shelf most of the time and got cobbled together in the last minutes. Actual development time for this is about more than a year estimate.
Ok @@aoyaibaba3090, and? Even with only a year of development I completely doubt they make such lousy character designs.
Because they're insanely talented. Emphasis on "insane."
@@ElEseLlamadoAngeloSFA What is it that you fail to understand here? The game was a half ass or more like a quarter-ass effort done in a short time. Not an actual 8 years of careful development. Plus DEI
Remember how hardly anyone complained about Overwatch introducing a diverse, international, stereotype-nonconforming cast of powerful men and women of different sexualities and ethnicities in 2016?
Those were the days... (They weren't, but not everything was insanely politicized)
I can't imagine the BS that would ensue if Overwatch was introduced today. Society is losing its mind.
Most people honestly just don’t care. We don’t have an issue with diversity, hence why people still don’t complain about Overwatch’s diversity. Yes, there are a few people that take it too far, but most of us just hate when diversity is prioritized over entertainment.
@@bigt1574 Incorrect. Face it: Most people can be sold anything with the right marketing, because thinking for oneself is hard. And insane fascists are selling their allergy towards the existence of minorities more and more.
@@bigt1574The main problem is too many people just lose it at the thought of something being even “slightly” woke. Doctor Who (2023), Ms. Marvel, and a variety of other shows has a surplus of review bombers that only rate these shows 1 star, conflating the actual ratings as people come in to counter-bomb it, basically making the 1 and 10 star spots useless. Hell, even shows that aren’t targeted by grifters get targeted by these people. Andor has a nice spread from 10-8 stars, far less in 7-5, 4-2 are about the same, and then a minor spike in the 1 stars. Doctor Who has two large spikes in the 10 and 1 stars, and then the curve otherwise averages around an 8. I’m not saying none of these reviews are real, Ms. Marvel genuinely isn’t good, as it’s a lawyer drama with little lawyer stuff, and the only silver lining basically being her teaming up with Dardevil and the ending that basically shows how revenge p*rn suits would normally go. Space Babies is probably the worse first non-special episode of a Doctor since the Twin Dilemma. The main problem is people conflate the problem with minorities existing rather than the bad writing itself.
This problem exists in all media, where something is called bad for similar reasons, until it becomes successful, in which case, whoops! It wasn’t woke after all! This happened with:
- Across the Spider-Verse
- The Bad Batch
- Baldur’s Gate 3
- The Barbie Movie
- The Fallout Amazon Show
- Into the Spider-Verse
- The Super Mario Bros Movie
- Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and Mace Windu.
- Spider-Man Miles Morales
Bad stuff can exist just being bad instead of being some elaborate plot to eradicate some demographic. The Twilight series is going through this recently, as the scrutiny currently going on isn’t about a woman writing a vampire story or vampires glittering in the sunlight, but rather the awful message where teens should go after people MUCH older than them, ignore red flags in relationships, and that weird anti-choice stuff going on.
Diversity isn’t the problem, but people treating it like it is a huge factor ignores the bigger problems in storytelling mediums, plus makes it harder for genuine feedback and reviews on this thing. If the “woke” thing has to break box office records or have millions of sales to be considered a success, that makes it harder for even the good to okay games in this made-up category to be noticed. I’ve only heard of games like Dustborn or Concord through people hating on it, and they’re all complaining about it being woke, but one’s still buyable right now, so that can’t be the problem with both games.
We didn't complain because... we normal people don't have a problem with DEI unless it's intentionally fcking shoehorned into a game to the detriment of ACTUAL CONTENT for brownie points?
@@lylianx4209 Someone who uses the term DEI is not normal.
Both Overwatch and Concord have "diversity" in their characters, but the difference was that Concord choose to make them ugly.
Can you make a video comparing Concord desings with Apex Legends and Valorant desings please.
Thanks for the idea , i did Valorant and Apex Legends, its hella worst than OW tho lol , characters are so ugly I can’t find similarities
It doesn't even matter if they are pretty, TF2 for example their designs had personality, Concord's have nothing
overwatch 2>>>>>>abismo>>>>>concord
Team fortress 2 > Overwatch >> Overwatch 2 >>>>>> abismo >>>>> concord
@@WafelPrzekladany tf 2 comparado ao overwatch tem gameplay defasada,é fato q em gameplay e outras partes tecnicas overwatch 1 e 2 superaram tf 2 a muito tempo
@@minetubebrasil9055 alright, your opinion. I consider tf2 to be better, but overwatch is great too.
@@WafelPrzekladany 😁👍
Concord
Bazz - Kiriko
Daw - Baptiste
It-Z - Tracer + Sombra
Emari - Zarya + Mauga
Vale - Widowmaker
1-off - Bastion
Duches - Sojourn
Teo - Soldier 76
Haymar - Hanzo
Star Child - Reinhardt
Lark - Torbjorn
Roka - Junkrat
Lennox - Cassidy (McRee)
Jabali - Moira
Daveers - Junker Queen + Valkyrie from Apex Legends or Juno
Kyps - Echo + D. Va without Mecha
OW characters have a very distinct style that when you look at them, you go “oh that must be an overwatch character. I have absolutely no idea what sort of tropes or similarities or style is supposed to be between concord characters.
Even the poses are boring
Concord characters look like a Npc from Warframe/Destiny 😭
It's like silliest comic book characters vs comic trying to be anime characters.
Overwatch and Tf2's character design are unmatched.
Rare occurrence of the two games being mentioned in a mutually praising way
@@WaluOfFlorida I love both. People need to realize both games are great. I'm tired of unjustified OW hate.
@@carpet163 I’ve never played ow but I’m sure it’s not as bad as people make it out to be
@waluTf2 its not but at the same time it is. as an ow player i sometimes feel like the game gets both too much hate but not enough hate
Even the robot is fat in concord
Try to compare Concord characters with T3 Arena characters
Baptiste and that drilling girl could fit in on Concord very well
Batista has the weakest design of all Overwatch characters, still having a rotund miss after 25 consecutive ballers is still a good streak. Miss Digger is fun and niche, your opinion is just an opinion, but she sure isn't even a top 20 in design.
Hey bro, dont insult Bap and Venture that way, maybe they aint between the best character design heroes in OW in terms of being cool or pretty (skins aside), but they still have good designs, comparing them to Concords ones is caping xd
Star child - Doomfist
Daw - Roadhog
there are not enough words, like look at this dude
Quick, now put Venture up there. And zoom in on its face.
There’s literally nothing wrong with Venture’s design. The character is an archeologist who digs the dirt like a mole, and even excavates like one. It makes sense since that’s the intention with the character.
@@MatheusOliveira-em4jh "nooooo!! She should have manicured nails, tons of make-up and big boob and butt like widomaker otherwise it's bad character design!!!" - Gamers
圧倒的に右の方が良い どうしてそう感じるんだろう？
I think the temu garnet it's more similar to Kiriko Since both of them throw small daggers as their way of doing damage
One of the new OW characters released (Venture) was their next step on inserting a diversity character in terms of design, but she's actually not that popular afaik, because a lot of players don't like her design (she's kinda ugly) and mainly her personality (she's really annoying). I don't know if this will affect her skin release schedule, but according to the leaked concept art for future skin releases, they are already showing concepts for Juno, but none for Venture.
Brother their whole cast is diverse she is not the first lol
@@scrollingthru45 Reading comprehension, "brother". Lol Everyone and their mother know OW is diverse en general. I was talking about how Venture is diverse to the point her design makes her so unappealing that she isn't getting any skins, while Juno has already skin concept arts done that were leaked. It's way too obvious and people that play the game laugh at how Venture might not even get a skin for Christmas.
@@silvertaken I understood what you said just fine but if you think Venture was the only character designed with diversity in mind then you are slow. Anyways later lil bro 💀
I wish one day make a overwatch type of game but make everyone equivelently broken so everyone has fun without the need to be good on certain heros to play them and dont feel a bot is making a game harder just because of the character. Unfortunatly some of the heros i like and are fun already have the perfect design and habilitys toguether, so it would look more like a copy. Junkrat and Ana my beloved ones ill find a way to make u without be a dirty copy and still let u look good and be as fun as now.
Theres a clear way to make "ugly" characters without their fashion being insanely just dogwater. The right fashion can turn anyone into a king or queen given the way it fits around their body creating a unique silhouette.
That Trams Concord.charscter tucks an extra Freudian symbol in xir shorts.
this game is so left coded… everybody left
Ironic coming from an Apex player.
@@theobell2002 Apex just did it better
I think i just saw trash bin with arm and legs
Overwatch tries too hard to make every character look different, a lot of their designs are over the top imo.
Overwatch has a definitive art style and good game play. It’s not solely the forced diversity aspect that contributed to Concord’s failure, the game just looked and played like complete sh*t!
why does her cybernetics legs have toes 1:48
Woke vs "hold my beer"
pero tienes que comparar 3D con 3D para ser justos we 🤓
ngl,DEI is far better in overwatch than...i don't even wanna say that "thing"🤣
Baz needs healing... i meant for hormone treatment...
It looks like they just did it on a basic Create a character mode from a game, its so damn generic and lazy
It's the reason why I hate P.C.
I want 'White' Character and Beautiful Female, but developers gave up normal standars of beauty for diversity.
Imagine unironically typing this and then hit "comment". No introspection whatsoever. Just open racism.
Talentless freak copy overwatch still fail
Sh/it
Tr/ash
B/ad
Was/were
A/ss
Maybe it needs more pronouns
Concord is so much better, ow characters look like kids toys
What a bad bait you made.
@@PatricioSotoFuentes-my1gz they really do look like max steel toys
@@PalaMuteI suggest you to either check your eyes or buy new glasses.
Thank you. 😊
@@JoutaiSasuLover the only person with a rational take on concord on youtube is DoubleGunz
@@PalaMuteOk then, if you still want to defend Concord, just simply support it by playin-
Oh wait, it no longer exists 🤣
CONCORD