Can consciousness be aware of itself? | Krishnamurti
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When the actor(thought) is aware of its movement(action), then it is sublimated, radically changed and opens the doorway to the beyond, to the real actor...
The thoughts stops when you try to observe it why no one is answering that
No, It is slipping immediately and saying thought stopped. Just be with nothing if thought stopped else if it is moving just be aware that
This is the real 💎 to search for. To live for.
And the face of humanity will change Forever.
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"It is undergoing a radical change." 🌅🙏
Thanks for uploading these short videos with core contents...
Fabulous its completely adorable and amazing
"However real that 'me' is, that is the source of disorder." How true!
Do it now, 4 minutes you have! 😀
thank you, trying to understand this lecture anyone
Thankyou soo much for sharing this video... ❤🙏😇
Thank you sir 🙏🙏
Awesome! K brought up the quantum theory. Great stuff.
Amazing
Absolutely right
Good question
The only thing that has ever named itself is the brain.
“I think therefore I AM”
“The universe is mental”
master philosophical level
2:40 Nobody can say the another this is the right thing to do.
If i look within, i see thought, and see words, words that try to describe some energy, energy that rapresents some event of life , life that is a moment that i cant grasp...i cant explain trought my intelect becouse for it is a paradox.
So by doing an introspection, thoughts are not aware of themselve, it's like they nead to attach to human consciousness to be refine and seen. Like a flower that is seen in her beauty and perfume.
4:25 "Is there an awareness of thought which says.. I see what -" and then he switches it to "Thought is aware of itself, it's movement, its activity, its structure, ..." Implying his first thought was indeed aware of itself and was becomming the "I" in his speech.
It seems to me that "Thought is aware of itself, it's movement, it's activity, it's structure" only after the fact. "I see what-" meaning I see what thought was just doing. If I try to be aware of thought as it happens, nothing much happens. I can't possibly know what the next thought will be. Awareness is aware, but thoughts and bodies and any other object that appears in awareness are not, themselves, aware.
@@SarahDale111because thought is not a static thing
"Can thought be aware of its movement?" 🌷
no. even I must use thought to be aware of its thought. Which is counterproductive. When there's no thought, everything ceases.
This question is put by JK for inquiry and not to be answered by a guru or authority. That's why he addressed the gentleman by saying 'try it, do it now'...
Thanks anyways for your personal reaction 🌹🌹
Right...
"I"itself is bulk of thoughts. AS such whatever the act done by body itself is a thought.Thus there is no act nor actor.
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Yes, full stop.
I think meditation is a state of mind, where thought is aware of itself. Meaning mechanical operation of the body & organs cease to operate. Brain becomes a mechanical function when it is not aware of itself. One can drive a car basically on this mechanical operation basis of mind. Also one can drive a car being fully aware of what is being done. Problem arises why most of us are mere mechanical human beings, & not humans based on such meditation. In sex we are fully aware of what is happening & also there is a mechanical part too in it. I think what can be recalled clearly after some activity may be where thought is aware of itself & what is not clearly remember is a result of brain operating mechanically. Humans have evolved through millions of years of this mind duality - meditation (thought knowing of its operation) & brain operating mechanically. All worldly achievements are result of this mind duality, leading to some creativity. A car in 1900 totally differs from a BMW today may be the result of this duality is at its best.
Its very difficult for thought to be aware of itself
Can thought be aware of its own movement? Without projecting a thinker?
Can thought take its own right place?
What is it to turn inward? (The wrong turn being, thought as an intruder to enter the psychological arena)
Who is the questioner?
Where is the answer?
Is there a guide/guidance in all this?
There is seeing that; all movements of thought, mind, consciousness and the me center the whole thing is one movement and there is no one apart from this movement to observe the movement while it is happening.
If it is so then, who is there that sees the whole? Is that the radical change which stops the divisive movement and sees the whole?
Forget about the “me thought” that comes in after the movement has happened and comments about it.
I have had this question as well. I question can our consciousness be aware of itself? I thought I was going crazy why I randomly thought of this but it got me thinking. Is my thought aware of itself? I have no answer yet from my thoughts.
Jiddu gives 4 minuts to think but I am still thinking ..........
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Brilliant
Is there are an awareness of the doing of the brain?
Can you be directly aware of thinking without stopping it s movement
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Can we say that the movement of thought, the movement of mind, the movement of me, the moment of consciousness, the way the human mechanism operates in time (past, present and future) all of these together is one unitary movement?
And, it creates conflict, confusion, contradiction, doubt in observing what is present right now in front of us.
Is that a fact?
If it is so then how do we receive it and What is our action out of seeing it so?
There is seeing that the whole thing is one movement and there is no one apart from this movement to observe the movement while it is happening.
The “me” comes in after the movement has happened and comments about it.
Thought can't be aware of it self
Moving can't be aware of its moving
Doing can't be aware of its doing
Awareness can't be aware of its being aware
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Am I getting it right? I am conscious of this tree. Can I be conscious of this conscious? Is this what you are asking? I am aware of the tree. If I am aware of the aware. Will it be super consciousness?
I am getting it right is a thought again. Labelling it super consciousness is a thought. You may have gotten a glimpse of what jk has said but your mind wants to theorize which in nutshell is a thought. Dont theorise the state, just be in the state and be aware of the mental chatter
I couldn't get it.. my thought stops when i am focussing it's movement..it's all silence. Please someone explain it
He didn't answered his question that thought stops when he observe
I wonder if krishnamurti is aware of dimensions..
'Forget the patient .You r the patient' 😂
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😂 It's funny when put that way, but he is being quite literal.
And the doctor, the psychotherapist, could not answer the simple question one way or another. No response.
Consciousness need not be aware of itself because Awareness is caused by Consciousness.
Is consciousness aware of itself?
You are saying Awarwnes depending consciousness .
Consciousness also dependent?
Consciousness also dependent on sense.
Well when according to me thought is not aware of thought. I experience my soul is aware of thought.
It is as if the soul is like a screen. Thoughts are playing on this screen. I also believe the soul is using entanglement to capture the experience. Because thoughts are purely electrical .
In my definition thoughts are not consciousness, but consciousness is generated on the screen.
Sorry I give much details, one must find out for themselves.
Look up Entanglement in physics books or Google.
I think entanglement is not only in areas Quantum Biology, but it is really property and structure of space.
Are you sure there is a soul
Only sanatan vedic culture is able to give justifiable rationalized explanation of consciousness and all its manifestation. In simple whole universe is manifestations of living consciousness. And what we call /see as non living is also life/living and has half life scientifically. According to law of karma everything /everyone gets its structures and purpose of existence.
Therefore I say conciousness is not Computational. An Android can't experience consciousness. In short an Androd cannot be two places at the same time.