Good eye! I have contacted the seller about this issue. Never had this problem with the older Diagun IV, but the Diagun V seemed to be non-responsive at times.
Could it be because of the screen type, touch sensitive to finger, soft stylus, or pen. If I use a pen type, or my less greased finger nail, my scanner goes bonkers!
I appear to be an alien. I say that because I don't float when thrown into water, I sink like a brick, and touchscreens don't respond to my fingers. I use a stylus with my Diagun V since my fingers don't do anything with it. The stylus I use has what looks like a steel wool end on it. (although of course it isn't) and it's about a 1/4" in diameter.
I am only a hobbyist and have a few big boy "toys" I mess with. I went with the Launch X431 Diagun V+ Pro. I love how Ivan shows his methods, offers his advice, and freely shares with his followers. He is a class act.
Thank you for this demo! I started with a simple code reader, then got an Autel maxicheck 808 but all of your Thinktool PROS demos in your videos has me wanting to move to that next.
Great side by side video Ivan. One thing I might have missed is subscription costs and how many vehicles that covers. Might be something for another video.
Launch makes Thinkcar , same servers etc. I love the price of Thinkcar and the form factors. You can use the scope on both as well etc. the pro doesn’t have topology but the pros does as well as the S20 we have are incredible especially lifetime subscription
@@trublue2319 I do the pros is $999 ($1199 retail) and the s20 5 year promo with 5 year subscription , oscilloscope, tmps wand, bt battery tester, inspection scope for $4700 ($5000) retail. Let me know if interested
Thanks Ivan, That was a really good overview of these tools. Something to consider over a great Thanksgiving dinner. Speaking of, don't eat too much turkey or else you won't be able to fit in a car with all of those tools. Wishing you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for Sharing!
Thanks for making this comparison video! This must be why you didn't give me a direct answer when I asked a few weeks ago lol. I see a ThinkTool in my near future.
yeah... Ivan, you are one of the best out there... but to do programming of new modules the Thinktool proS+ is needed, so the game has not gone cheap yet... it takes 2+K to get a full function scanning tool. Thank you a lot for your reviews.
TopDon 600 S i believe is the best .because it scan cars from 1996 going to up plus free life time update for the newest latest device .plus its free .
Owning Fords I just use forscan. Not as nice of a user interface but it gets the job done for cheap and my needs are limited. Was able to use it to turn off the TPMS when the sensor batteries finally died. Too cheap to pay $400 to get them replaced. 😄
Nice detailed video.as a car tech i think you need to have as many optional tools as you can in your sleve to get the job done.as i have seen in your videos some tools dont give a proper info on all cars so its a nice info video.cheers✌
I personally use both the Autel pro and Ultra. And an Autel AL539 for quick scans, battery tests and multimeter. Being that the shop I work requires inspections get done for every vehicle the AL539 is an essential. I feel scantools are a combination of preference and needs. Some scantools are better at one thing or another than others. No one scantool does everything the best. And depending on what you work on the most will dictate what you'll need in terms of scantool tooling. Everything the Thinktool does the Autel does. Saving reports. Complete scans. Etc. But I'm sure at some point there will be a car that the Autel will have issues with where the Thinktool won't. If you're a professional diagnostician you need multiple scantools. If you're a hobbyist a Thinktool will be more than enough.
@@DormantIdeasNIQ Depends on what you're programming. For most modules yes it will. But for some you'll need the Autel pass through. And for key programming they make a dedicated tool that programs key fobs/intelligent keys. Most manufacturers require subscriptions regardless. So ultimately if you're going to be doing a lot of programming and or updates you'll need the individual licensing associated with each manufacturer. In which case you don't need a scantool. Autel will allow some module programming. But that really boils down to what the manufacturers will let you do more than the scantools ability to program.
I have a brand new Autel AL 539 and never use it. I did use it a few times and then one day it wouldn't turn on. Itwas under warranty but Autel refused to repair or replace it under warranty so I refused to ever buy another Autel product again. They did me a favour in a way because I have bought several Launch products since and their scanners like Topdon offer me lifetime free updates. That fact alone has saved me a lot more than the cheap brand new Autel Al 539 cost me.
I have a cabinet full of car electronic tools and scanners. I have found that brands like Launch and Topdon offer the best products and after sales service. And most of my Launch and Topdon products offer me free full lifetime updates. Personally I have found that other big brands names like Autel do not deliver a product and service ike Launch. I have a brand new Launch AL539 which worked fine a few times but when it wouldn't turn on under the warranty Autel would not even repair or replace it under their one year warranty. They played me around for 6 months until it was out of warranty. It's still got the original clear plastic protection over the screen for Christ sake. Like new. Anyway they probably did me a big favour because I discovered Launch and they offer me the best product over a much larger range of cars with full free lifetime updates which has saved me much more than the Autel products have cost me.
Ivan good comparison on the Think Tools ... Would you do just a Spreadsheet on the different Scanners with the major Pros and Cons...I know in the past ,European cars preferred one tool over another...Then post 1996 cars are finicky to other units...For the DIY, My main concern is paying a yearly fee with some units for each brand of cars.
Yearly fees are a great point - one UA-camr recently recommended a great scanner, in his judgment, which I respect, but it proved difficult for me to access any of the free software for all vehicles that was promised. It was hard to determine if the problem was just a temporary software glitch, or a promise intentionally not honored by the manufacturer/distributor, since buyers had little or no recourse. However, over several days of trying to get the included software I had paid for, I noticed that purchasers were conveniently offered a way to easily purchase the modules you might need at considerable cost per module for each manufacturer and specific model line of its vehicles, if I remember correctly. What I do vividly remember is that the extra cost of having to purchase expensive specific software modules, for the scanner to be usable, immediately converted this purchase into a non-starter, and a trap for unwary purchasers. Luckily I had purchased it from Amazon and I returned it within the 30-day return window, rather than take a chance. Others, if they got the promised software, may have received a wonderful tool, and I hope they did.
I was seriously considering the Diagun V a year ago. But I've since bought my second Mercedes and I think I am just going to put the money into the Star laptop setup so I can do modules and everything.
@@sirsweetness8332 I bought an 04 E55 AMG in June 2020 and liked it so much I just bought an 07 S550 as a daily. The way I see it, I am putting my skills to work to be able to drive nice cars. The E55 was $9500 and the S550 was $12k. The E55 runs solid mid-12s and while an LS460 can probably do a reasonable approximation of my S550, it's not the same thing, at all. I am a GM guy so this is new territory but so far so good.
@@kevin9c1 I have my diesel truck if I need any torque or HP. It’s a Chevawreck and has kept me busy replacing parts. Have to do fuel lines today or tomorrow. Weather is stopping me.
Nice video. I bought the Thinktool Pros last month based on Ivan's recommendation. They had it on sale for about $970 plus a $99 off coupon so with that plus a small Amazon points balance I was able to pick it up for around $856. It's a very nice scanner and I have already used it on a couple of vehicles. I'm just a DIY'er but wanted something a lot better than what I had. I will point out that the Pros is a discontinued model and the new equivalent is the Thinkcar Platinum S10 which Thinkcar is having a 30% off sale right now. The S10 is more expensive at $1,499 but with the discount will be cheaper. I believe it offers a few things that the Pros doesn't like internet access. I have also bought some of the modules that you can use with the Pros and their Platinum series of scanners and they are pretty nice as well. One that I did buy is the scope because I wanted a four channel scope and this works well with the scanner.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics From what I can find there are two versions of the scope. One for the Pros and one for the mini or PD8. CARiD has a sale going now. Too many model #s that all look the same to me.
Thank you Ivan hope you have a happy thanksgiving i got the launch diagun because of you and your videos it's awsome learned alot now i want the thinktool pros because i know from your honest review it will be good really good
Purchased the Thinktool pros after watching this video. Very pleased with the scanners functionality. I need to program a new key fob for a 2013 Chevy avalanche. Does this scanner have this capability?
Any video reviews on the Topdon Plus vs Lauch X431 Pro vs Autel MK906 within the $1,200 range cant find any comparing to find the best bang for the buck to work best on GM and Chevrolet, Ford Etc..?
Ivan, could you do a video on the price of the updates after 2 years for the thinktool pros and does it give the info of the dpf and can you force a clean.
I find it interesting that the Thinktool pros scanner isn't even listed as a product on the official Thinkcar website. Nor is it listed for support on that website. However, just about every other thinkcar product is listed including the cheap Thinkdiag scanner. In fact the dongle for the Thinkdiag is identical to the Thinktool pros scanner dongle. Makes you wonder how well this tool will be supported.
@@jduda1127 The Thinktool Pros US equivalent is the Thinkcar Platinum S10 which is more expensive than the Pros. The Pros is discontinued and a global machine and is why you don't see it on their website.
@@Mr2004MCSS Because thinkcar have many dealers in the world but Thinkcar also do retail business. So Thinkcar dealers and thinkcar official sell different model on theirself website. Hope it helpful for you.
Odd. It looks like both scanners are based on the same software for Toyota: v50.10. If it came from different sources, I doubt they would have the exact same version number.
I have a the Diagun V. I use it as a Nissan master tech when all the consults are in use. It does a LOT for the price. I can actually program keys on new Nissans faster with this than the consult. Go figure.
I bought this with the hopes of lowering my suspension on a 2005 Mercedes what ABC suspension hopefully it will work.. Any suggestions would be appreciated
i bought a xtool and it has full bi directional but its live data graphing just sucks,any recomendation for NON bi direction that has a good graphing of live data? somthing that can be paused/compare multiple graphs and timed markings so for instance if i want to compare o2 to rpm so i know its doing what it should at a given rpm.just somthing useable. im willing to sacrifice bi direction for cost
Hey Ivan I noticed in your older videos that the screen capture function was not available in the ThinkTool Pros at first. Did a software update bring it to you later or was there a setting that you used to get it to appear? Thanks!
Replying to myself and the rest of you. If you don't know, because the directions included with the Thinktool are just Chinesium comprehensive. In order to get the screenshot button to show you have to enable that feature in the scanner by running your finger from the top of the screen down to the middle and out of nowhere will appear a menu that allows you to select brightness and change some other settings. Selecting the enable screenshot icon will place the screenshot icon on the screen. This of course is not anywhere in the instruction booklet. Furthermore you can move the little icon anywhere you want on the screen once it is enabled.
The biggest downside to the thinktool pros is that it will not allow you to add repair apps or any apps for that matter and it will not allow you to access Google in order to gain access to your repair websites. I even saw where you had to pull out your laptop just to access a repair website. At this price point I think it is overly priced because it lacks these essential features. They even make a $6000 platinum edition that also lacks the ability to add repair apps and access google. Just about any Autel scanner will allow you to do this like a normal android tablet will. I almost pulled the trigger until I saw your video which caused me to do some serious research. And all the add-on modules average around $800 apiece. I can buy better versions of these independently from a better manufacturer for approximately 1/4 of the cost. It is a shame though because I do like the features of the scan tool.
Has anyone heard that ...Due to policy restrictions, programming functions are temporarily not supported in the United States, Canada, Spain, and Portugal... thus the THINKTOOL PROS+ ($2K) is effectively useless as this brings it to the level of the PROS... or are these restrictions also applied to the used modules the PRO S may handle?
Yes, I use the Thinktool Pros+. I program all the time. As much as I heard a yearly SCN account from Mercedes costs, the fact the Thinktool connects to the servers and gets this SCN info makes it well worth it. Hint….vpn
@@ShogunnxYT I’ve been searching high and low for someone to explain the programming differences between the Pros and Pros+. I’m about to buy one, but don’t know if the + is offering anything I need for the extra cost. I’m definitely not getting into ADAS any time soon.
@@athhud the ProS+ can program a Replacement part for a newer Bmw , on its own , without a laptop or a pass thru. It can program a Nissan ecm, again, on its own. The ProS+ is comparable to the Launch Pad V. Even shaped the same. The others are more compatible to a Launch X431 Plus.
@@ShogunnxYT thanks! I finally got in touch with a dealer on the other side of the world. I was excited about programming without a J2534, but then he informed me that it would pretty much be useless when it comes to programming American vehicles. I MIGHT could make use of it on the occasional Nissan, but I’ve decided that money would be better put towards a J2534 device where I could actually get some use out of it.
@@athhud that’s partially true. What I learned is that it depends on what’s the bulk of your cars you work on. If you do all cars, then the Launch would pay for itself fast. I believe the Pad 7 even comes with a J2534 as it’s Vci. For me , I mostly do euoropean, Asian and some American. Remember, Bosch/OTC scan tools come with PassThru VCIs. I think that was their answer to Snapon. However, they are pretty limited in capability. I bought a Mac Mentor Touch from eBay for about $250. I tinkered around with the main unit and ended up wiping it (windows based). Lol. So the tablet side is useless now. However, I keep the VCI with me wherever I go bcuz it is a full J2534 passthru. Also , keep in mind Chrysler makes it pretty hard to program their modules from blank. I usually meet clients who have swapped a part for a used working part. This only needs immobilization or adaptation service on your scan tool to succeed. Fords usually just need parameter resets for pcms and ASBUILD data for other modules. Gm needs the passthru. Good luck sir
@@HollyArms1 well after many messages with an eBay seller on the other side of the world, I learned that the Pros+ didn’t really offer me anything more than extra memory. The ADAS I’ll never use. I was excited about the “Online Programming” without having to use the J2534 device, but then he informed me that feature only worked with European cars (and some Asian). Basically the only time I would get any use out of it, is if my mom’s Nissan needed a module programmed. I think I’ve settled on the Pros, but haven’t pulled the trigger on it yet.
I would never buy a thinktool , they are part of EDIAG that has no tech support or phone # Just an email that goes to China and no response. One of their cheaper ones bricked on me and they never responded. It went back to Amazon. Also AUTEL tech support by Americans in New York state has been the best ever. Launch Corporate is close to me in Ontario , California and has Americans answering phones and local and toll-free #s
Your a mind reader as well as a great diagnostician. How did you know I’ve been looking at these two scanners and needed your opinion? Scan tools can be an addiction. What’s is the difference or advantage between the Diagon IV vs the Diagon V. I think that ThinkTool ProS is hard to beat right now unless your looking for a compact tool. Thank you for this video and have a great Thanksgiving. P/S. Just looked on Amazon and with Prime that tool is too good to pass up, free shipping also.
Wow that's incredible. I can't believe I didn't think of that first. I'm gonna make a copy of all the .apk files on my zurich zr pro, and see if I can install them on another device with bluetooth. I mean, I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't work.
Really like the content , you inspired me not to throw money at the problem. Nissan Titan won't take a 710 CCA battery. It will die overnight but will take 910 CCA with no issue .
Thanks for the review Ivan. One thing that was overlooked in these reviews is the cost of ownership based on the yearly licensing. For a professional is not a problem, but forna DIY could it be
So which one is best for programming Keys including proximity. In Australia this is a problem, dealers usually want over $600 on most cars, locksmiths around half that. You can buy the blank keys but you can't program them
The best thing you can get for programming keys would be some kind of specialized programmer, like the Autel IM608. It can do pretty much just about anything you can throw at it, not to mention the special hardware addons it has. Especially useful for programming smart keys. Aside from that, most of your higher end bi directional tools have pretty similar key/immo funtionality.
Hello, does the Diagun V, really program new ECU's? Does it really do crankshaft & camshaft relearns? Also, could you program a new BCM: body control module, with it?
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@@Graham_Wideman yes sir, that’s correct. There are sellers that have them still but no more being made. The S10 has taken over that and a new one coming with CanFD
Surely there is somewhere that will test the engine computer for you? Here in the U.K. I used ECUtesting to test my Honda Civic diesel computer, it failed, and they then repaired it for about £330 total including postage. Testing only costs about £60.
Ancel - bad cheap bidirectional scanner-wont bootup much of the time-no reset-bad customer service-very limited scan ability-ever changing bi directional ability.
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I started watching your video for the first minute and a half and I already you have to say straight to the point lots of information in the short time. Great job 👍
I've had a Launch X431 Pad II for a good while now, back when I was working at the local Volvo dealer. I generally only worked on Volvo's, Mercedies and BMWs back then. It was far better than the shop's Snap-On scanner on those types of cars. Admittedly, it's pretty slow on initial bootup. But once it's up and running, it's reasonably fast. My only hang-up on it is that Launch scanners seem to be a bit lacking in TPMS support for a lot of cars. And now that I work for a body shop that works on practically everything under the sun, I'm beginning to wonder if I should consider upgrading.
I have a launch 431 but was debating to get a thinktool, just based on what you've shown it can do. It appears to some more capabilities on some cars. Thank you for your review, Ivan!
@@globalcommerce7654 No, now that I have received my 20% discounted (### Thanks for the Tip, Ivan!! ### ) ThinkTool PROS in. I don't think one is a copy of the other. The thinktool seems to do a lot more, just in terms of saving data and telemetry on a vehicle to vehicle basis, allowing pre and post repair reports. That's a nice feature. You can save telemetry, photos, notes, etc from the looks of it. Comparing it by hooking it into a Honda CRV, it has more functions and pids. The interface is much faster. Some dialog boxes look similar but that's likely a function of whatever tool they used to develop the software. It scans fast too. The hierarchical view is new to me - it makes it all very clear. I haven't fixed anything with it yet but will try the launch and thinktool side by side.
All my vehicles are pre 2006 and I bought both the diagn IV and the Autel MaxiPRO MP808K with the intention of sending back the one I didn't like (free Amazon returns). I ended up keeping the Autel due to bigger screen size, nicer graphing options, and one continuous page for active pids on the data stream. If you activate all the pids on the diagn and need to see the next page it loads for a while and it was driving me nuts. Plus the small text was a little annoying. if I had to buy today I would go with the pros.
@@DevonBbrown I don't know - you get free updates for the 1st year or two and that's all I did as I don't own any newer vehicles so don't need the updates. You don't need a subscription to keep running the unit - you'll just have access to the vehicles included in your updates. Mine is updated to 2022 vehicles. I imagine I'll never have to use it on that new of a vehicle. Take care!
Thanks for the ThinkTool Pros review. I ordered and received the amazon special. I will add that the literature states that you can continue to use the scanner even if you don't upgrade. I can find no source for what each adapter is used for. They appear to be OBD1 adapters. Do you simply go by physical fit to use the adapters? Is there a car vs adapter listing somewhere? My last question, can you use the phone app on this ThinkDiag unit once it is registered using the tablet? It appears that all the proprietary stuff is in the diag unit, not in the tablet.
If you only own ONE car or only buy one brand of car, and don't need bi-directional controls, the best FULL SYSTEM OBD2 scanner is the Walmart HyperTough HT200 Bluetooth dongle for only $50. It uses the same vehicle-specific software as the high-end Autel, TopDon, Launch or ThinkCar scanners and includes 14 reset/service functions at no additional cost.
As an amateur who's RANK at best I can't afford $300 yearly software upgrade. So, for instance, if I have a 2018 Toyota Sequoia that I want to maintain can I buy a scanner and use it UN-UPGRADED for the life of the car? That for personal use is it appropriate to ONLY UPGRADE when I get a newer car or when I help a friend who has newer car??
Ivan, good demonstration on the think pro and diagun V. Good timing on both. Diagun V is perfect for on the go jobs, think pro is perfect for deeper and detailed information on jobs in site. Since i have Launch crp129x Scan tool, it's what i could afford to get at the time. I like it, but think pro would be better for me in detailed work. I am particularly interested in screen capture, screen recording while live data, but software updates? Lifetime updates or subscription? That's what will influence my choice. I like both! Great demo! 👍
Thanks for the comment, Josh! No supscription costs, and 2 years free updates. You won't need to update the software at all unless you run into brand-new 2021 or newer cars :)
Guess a lot will do with the cost to update. I’m just a diyer and don’t want to spend a ton of $$ but would like a good scan tool. I’ve always done my own work but looks like an above average scan tool is a must have these days. Looking for one with bi-directional control, topology, fuel injector balancing, and good data stream capabilities in the $600-$800 range. Any recommendations?
The problem with android based devices is the boot time.. my old modis edge booted up in like 5 seconds and would be ready to go. But it was 10x the price and couldn't do 1/2 the stuff any of those can do minus the scope
What about replacing modules that need to be programmed? For instance Ford electric power steering or GM fuel pump module. I have an Autel MK808 it does a lot but i want more. Thanks for your reviews and videos.
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The Launch touchscreen looks like it is not very responsive at times. Is this your impression?
Good eye! I have contacted the seller about this issue. Never had this problem with the older Diagun IV, but the Diagun V seemed to be non-responsive at times.
I do not seem o have any issues on my V
Could it be because of the screen type, touch sensitive to finger, soft stylus, or pen. If I use a pen type, or my less greased finger nail, my scanner goes bonkers!
Can you get a firmware update that could help?
I appear to be an alien. I say that because I don't float when thrown into water, I sink like a brick, and touchscreens don't respond to my fingers. I use a stylus with my Diagun V since my fingers don't do anything with it. The stylus I use has what looks like a steel wool end on it. (although of course it isn't) and it's about a 1/4" in diameter.
I am only a hobbyist and have a few big boy "toys" I mess with. I went with the Launch X431 Diagun V+ Pro. I love how Ivan shows his methods, offers his advice, and freely shares with his followers. He is a class act.
Thanks Dr. Craig! Happy Thanksgiving!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Same to you Ivan, your lovely wife, and family, God Bless.
Thank you for this demo! I started with a simple code reader, then got an Autel maxicheck 808 but all of your Thinktool PROS demos in your videos has me wanting to move to that next.
Great side by side video Ivan. One thing I might have missed is subscription costs and how many vehicles that covers. Might be something for another video.
Launch makes Thinkcar , same servers etc. I love the price of Thinkcar and the form factors. You can use the scope on both as well etc. the pro doesn’t have topology but the pros does as well as the S20 we have are incredible especially lifetime subscription
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Do you got any black Friday deals?
@@trublue2319 I do the pros is $999 ($1199 retail) and the s20 5 year promo with 5 year subscription , oscilloscope, tmps wand, bt battery tester, inspection scope for $4700 ($5000) retail. Let me know if interested
Makes me wish I hadn't already bought two scanners. These new tools are super nice. Thanks Ivan!
coming from an autel, i just bought an Xtool d8 bluetooth...amazing scanner, with 3 years of free updates
Thanks Ivan, That was a really good overview of these tools. Something to consider over a great Thanksgiving dinner. Speaking of, don't eat too much turkey or else you won't be able to fit in a car with all of those tools. Wishing you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for Sharing!
Great video bud, I struggle with such questions from viewers on what such scan tool to get.
Thanks JT! Technology has come a long way, it is amazing what these tools are capable of, especially for the price!
Thanks for making this comparison video! This must be why you didn't give me a direct answer when I asked a few weeks ago lol. I see a ThinkTool in my near future.
yeah... Ivan, you are one of the best out there... but to do programming of new modules the Thinktool proS+ is needed, so the game has not gone cheap yet... it takes 2+K to get a full function scanning tool.
Thank you a lot for your reviews.
TopDon 600 S i believe is the best .because it scan cars from 1996 going to up plus free life time update for the newest latest device .plus its free .
Owning Fords I just use forscan. Not as nice of a user interface but it gets the job done for cheap and my needs are limited. Was able to use it to turn off the TPMS when the sensor batteries finally died. Too cheap to pay $400 to get them replaced. 😄
Nice detailed video.as a car tech i think you need to have as many optional tools as you can in your sleve to get the job done.as i have seen in your videos some tools dont give a proper info on all cars so its a nice info video.cheers✌
I personally use both the Autel pro and Ultra. And an Autel AL539 for quick scans, battery tests and multimeter. Being that the shop I work requires inspections get done for every vehicle the AL539 is an essential. I feel scantools are a combination of preference and needs. Some scantools are better at one thing or another than others. No one scantool does everything the best. And depending on what you work on the most will dictate what you'll need in terms of scantool tooling. Everything the Thinktool does the Autel does. Saving reports. Complete scans. Etc. But I'm sure at some point there will be a car that the Autel will have issues with where the Thinktool won't. If you're a professional diagnostician you need multiple scantools. If you're a hobbyist a Thinktool will be more than enough.
Does the Autel allow programming of used and new modules?
@@DormantIdeasNIQ Depends on what you're programming. For most modules yes it will. But for some you'll need the Autel pass through. And for key programming they make a dedicated tool that programs key fobs/intelligent keys. Most manufacturers require subscriptions regardless. So ultimately if you're going to be doing a lot of programming and or updates you'll need the individual licensing associated with each manufacturer. In which case you don't need a scantool. Autel will allow some module programming. But that really boils down to what the manufacturers will let you do more than the scantools ability to program.
I have a brand new Autel AL 539 and never use it. I did use it a few times and then one day it wouldn't turn on. Itwas under warranty but Autel refused to repair or replace it under warranty so I refused to ever buy another Autel product again. They did me a favour in a way because I have bought several Launch products since and their scanners like Topdon offer me lifetime free updates. That fact alone has saved me a lot more than the cheap brand new Autel Al 539 cost me.
I have a cabinet full of car electronic tools and scanners. I have found that brands like Launch and Topdon offer the best products and after sales service. And most of my Launch and Topdon products offer me free full lifetime updates. Personally I have found that other big brands names like Autel do not deliver a product and service ike Launch. I have a brand new Launch AL539 which worked fine a few times but when it wouldn't turn on under the warranty Autel would not even repair or replace it under their one year warranty. They played me around for 6 months until it was out of warranty. It's still got the original clear plastic protection over the screen for Christ sake. Like new. Anyway they probably did me a big favour because I discovered Launch and they offer me the best product over a much larger range of cars with full free lifetime updates which has saved me much more than the Autel products have cost me.
Autel is much better IMHO but no scanner can do it all indeed.
Ivan good comparison on the Think Tools ... Would you do just a Spreadsheet on the different Scanners with the major Pros and Cons...I know in the past ,European cars preferred one tool over another...Then post 1996 cars are finicky to other units...For the DIY, My main concern is paying a yearly fee with some units for each brand of cars.
Yearly fees are a great point - one UA-camr recently recommended a great scanner, in his judgment, which I respect, but it proved difficult for me to access any of the free software for all vehicles that was promised. It was hard to determine if the problem was just a temporary software glitch, or a promise intentionally not honored by the manufacturer/distributor, since buyers had little or no recourse. However, over several days of trying to get the included software I had paid for, I noticed that purchasers were conveniently offered a way to easily purchase the modules you might need at considerable cost per module for each manufacturer and specific model line of its vehicles, if I remember correctly. What I do vividly remember is that the extra cost of having to purchase expensive specific software modules, for the scanner to be usable, immediately converted this purchase into a non-starter, and a trap for unwary purchasers. Luckily I had purchased it from Amazon and I returned it within the 30-day return window, rather than take a chance. Others, if they got the promised software, may have received a wonderful tool, and I hope they did.
Thanks for the information Ivan.
I was seriously considering the Diagun V a year ago. But I've since bought my second Mercedes and I think I am just going to put the money into the Star laptop setup so I can do modules and everything.
You are going to have to buy the dongle for $8.99 since you just bought a Mercedes. Good luck with those replacement costs.
@@sirsweetness8332 I bought an 04 E55 AMG in June 2020 and liked it so much I just bought an 07 S550 as a daily. The way I see it, I am putting my skills to work to be able to drive nice cars. The E55 was $9500 and the S550 was $12k. The E55 runs solid mid-12s and while an LS460 can probably do a reasonable approximation of my S550, it's not the same thing, at all. I am a GM guy so this is new territory but so far so good.
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I am a toyota/Lexus guy. Not into performance just reliability.
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I have my diesel truck if I need any torque or HP. It’s a Chevawreck and has kept me busy replacing parts. Have to do fuel lines today or tomorrow. Weather is stopping me.
just pulled the trigger on The Launch Diagun V, happy turkey day Ivan and family.
Nice video. I bought the Thinktool Pros last month based on Ivan's recommendation. They had it on sale for about $970 plus a $99 off coupon so with that plus a small Amazon points balance I was able to pick it up for around $856. It's a very nice scanner and I have already used it on a couple of vehicles. I'm just a DIY'er but wanted something a lot better than what I had.
I will point out that the Pros is a discontinued model and the new equivalent is the Thinkcar Platinum S10 which Thinkcar is having a 30% off sale right now. The S10 is more expensive at $1,499 but with the discount will be cheaper. I believe it offers a few things that the Pros doesn't like internet access. I have also bought some of the modules that you can use with the Pros and their Platinum series of scanners and they are pretty nice as well. One that I did buy is the scope because I wanted a four channel scope and this works well with the scanner.
Thank you for the info! Would be interesting to try the 4 channel scope...
Where do you see the 30% sale on the Platinum? You probably can't post a link, but could you mention the vendor?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics From what I can find there are two versions of the scope. One for the Pros and one for the mini or PD8. CARiD has a sale going now. Too many model #s that all look the same to me.
Thank you Ivan hope you have a happy thanksgiving i got the launch diagun because of you and your videos it's awsome learned alot now i want the thinktool pros because i know from your honest review it will be good really good
Ivan think you could do a review on the Xtool d8 bt ...
Purchased the Thinktool pros after watching this video. Very pleased with the scanners functionality. I need to program a new key fob for a 2013 Chevy avalanche. Does this scanner have this capability?
Ivan , have you used the Triton D10 ? It’s stupid fast
What would you recommend for 2010 and older? My F-250 Diesel is 2010 and my Jeep is 2002
I feel the. Diagun is great for starter technician or for someone at a dealer that works on one brand would you agreeb
The thinktool pros Where you bought it
Any video reviews on the Topdon Plus vs Lauch X431 Pro vs Autel MK906 within the $1,200 range cant find any comparing to find the best bang for the buck to work best on GM and Chevrolet, Ford Etc..?
Ivan, could you do a video on the price of the updates after 2 years for the thinktool pros and does it give the info of the dpf and can you force a clean.
what do you do about 2018 cars with gateways?. maybe you could dedicate a video to this issue?
I find it interesting that the Thinktool pros scanner isn't even listed as a product on the official Thinkcar website. Nor is it listed for support on that website. However, just about every other thinkcar product is listed including the cheap Thinkdiag scanner. In fact the dongle for the Thinkdiag is identical to the Thinktool pros scanner dongle. Makes you wonder how well this tool will be supported.
I think the think tool pros is actually for another county and read somewhere the US version is the think tool pad10
@@jduda1127 The Thinktool Pros US equivalent is the Thinkcar Platinum S10 which is more expensive than the Pros. The Pros is discontinued and a global machine and is why you don't see it on their website.
@@Mr2004MCSS Because thinkcar have many dealers in the world but Thinkcar also do retail business. So Thinkcar dealers and thinkcar official sell different model on theirself website. Hope it helpful for you.
Thanks
Hi Ivan,
Are you able to do a comparison between the Think Tool Pros and Bosch ADS625?
Bosch is an expensive brick lol
What scan tool would you recommend for usr on a 97 dodge caravan? It's
Odd. It looks like both scanners are based on the same software for Toyota: v50.10. If it came from different sources, I doubt they would have the exact same version number.
Thanks bro
I have a the Diagun V. I use it as a Nissan master tech when all the consults are in use. It does a LOT for the price.
I can actually program keys on new Nissans faster with this than the consult. Go figure.
I bought this with the hopes of lowering my suspension on a 2005 Mercedes what ABC suspension hopefully it will work.. Any suggestions would be appreciated
Ok...im asking you on different video but here is answer.
i bought a xtool and it has full bi directional but its live data graphing just sucks,any recomendation for NON bi direction that has a good graphing of live data? somthing that can be paused/compare multiple graphs and timed markings so for instance if i want to compare o2 to rpm so i know its doing what it should at a given rpm.just somthing useable. im willing to sacrifice bi direction for cost
Have you ever use a OBD2 cable splitter?
Thanks Ivan, Diagun V for me, or 6 - 7 tanks of gas..
Hey Ivan I noticed in your older videos that the screen capture function was not available in the ThinkTool Pros at first. Did a software update bring it to you later or was there a setting that you used to get it to appear? Thanks!
Replying to myself and the rest of you. If you don't know, because the directions included with the Thinktool are just Chinesium comprehensive. In order to get the screenshot button to show you have to enable that feature in the scanner by running your finger from the top of the screen down to the middle and out of nowhere will appear a menu that allows you to select brightness and change some other settings. Selecting the enable screenshot icon will place the screenshot icon on the screen. This of course is not anywhere in the instruction booklet. Furthermore you can move the little icon anywhere you want on the screen once it is enabled.
does it have oscilloscope function
can you add the launch oscilloscope
Happy thanksgiving to you and everyone . Which one yo get to program keys 🔑?????????
Autel IM608 is the undisputed.
Does either tool required updates? If so how much do they cost?
The biggest downside to the thinktool pros is that it will not allow you to add repair apps or any apps for that matter and it will not allow you to access Google in order to gain access to your repair websites. I even saw where you had to pull out your laptop just to access a repair website. At this price point I think it is overly priced because it lacks these essential features. They even make a $6000 platinum edition that also lacks the ability to add repair apps and access google. Just about any Autel scanner will allow you to do this like a normal android tablet will. I almost pulled the trigger until I saw your video which caused me to do some serious research. And all the add-on modules average around $800 apiece. I can buy better versions of these independently from a better manufacturer for approximately 1/4 of the cost. It is a shame though because I do like the features of the scan tool.
Can either tool do things like crank sensor relearn or code a new ABS module to a car?
Highly depends on the vehicle. Usually yes 👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics it’s a 1998 BMW 323i 😩😬
Has anyone heard that ...Due to policy restrictions, programming functions are temporarily not supported in the United States, Canada, Spain, and Portugal... thus the THINKTOOL PROS+ ($2K) is effectively useless as this brings it to the level of the PROS... or are these restrictions also applied to the used modules the PRO S may handle?
Yes, I use the Thinktool Pros+. I program all the time. As much as I heard a yearly SCN account from Mercedes costs, the fact the Thinktool connects to the servers and gets this SCN info makes it well worth it. Hint….vpn
@@ShogunnxYT I’ve been searching high and low for someone to explain the programming differences between the Pros and Pros+. I’m about to buy one, but don’t know if the + is offering anything I need for the extra cost. I’m definitely not getting into ADAS any time soon.
@@athhud the ProS+ can program a Replacement part for a newer Bmw , on its own , without a laptop or a pass thru. It can program a Nissan ecm, again, on its own. The ProS+ is comparable to the Launch Pad V. Even shaped the same. The others are more compatible to a Launch X431 Plus.
@@ShogunnxYT thanks! I finally got in touch with a dealer on the other side of the world. I was excited about programming without a J2534, but then he informed me that it would pretty much be useless when it comes to programming American vehicles. I MIGHT could make use of it on the occasional Nissan, but I’ve decided that money would be better put towards a J2534 device where I could actually get some use out of it.
@@athhud that’s partially true. What I learned is that it depends on what’s the bulk of your cars you work on. If you do all cars, then the Launch would pay for itself fast. I believe the Pad 7 even comes with a J2534 as it’s Vci. For me , I mostly do euoropean, Asian and some American. Remember, Bosch/OTC scan tools come with PassThru VCIs. I think that was their answer to Snapon. However, they are pretty limited in capability. I bought a Mac Mentor Touch from eBay for about $250. I tinkered around with the main unit and ended up wiping it (windows based). Lol. So the tablet side is useless now. However, I keep the VCI with me wherever I go bcuz it is a full J2534 passthru. Also , keep in mind Chrysler makes it pretty hard to program their modules from blank. I usually meet clients who have swapped a part for a used working part. This only needs immobilization or adaptation service on your scan tool to succeed. Fords usually just need parameter resets for pcms and ASBUILD data for other modules. Gm needs the passthru. Good luck sir
Sure beats the snot out of my three year old Autel ds808.
It's not a fair comparison, compare it to recent Autels and you'll keep sticking to Autel.
Sir how much you're thinktool scanner 12/24
Does the USB C on the proS connect to a tv or is that for charging only? Also wondering if it has playstore with the ability to download apps? Thanks
Yes, USB port for charing.
What's the difference between pros and pro
Pros has bigger screen
Do you know the difference between the pros and pros+? I don't see side by side comparison, its another $600.
Did you ever figure out the difference. I’m trying to decide which to buy now. I know the + does ADAS, which I don’t need.
@@athhud I never did find out, I went with an autel
@@HollyArms1 well after many messages with an eBay seller on the other side of the world, I learned that the Pros+ didn’t really offer me anything more than extra memory. The ADAS I’ll never use. I was excited about the “Online Programming” without having to use the J2534 device, but then he informed me that feature only worked with European cars (and some Asian). Basically the only time I would get any use out of it, is if my mom’s Nissan needed a module programmed. I think I’ve settled on the Pros, but haven’t pulled the trigger on it yet.
xtool 😀
I would never buy a thinktool , they are part of EDIAG that has no tech support or phone # Just an email that goes to China and no response. One of their cheaper ones bricked on me and they never responded. It went back to Amazon.
Also AUTEL tech support by Americans in New York state has been the best ever.
Launch Corporate is close to me in Ontario , California and has Americans answering phones and local and toll-free #s
Subscription costs
No subscription costs, and 2 years free updates :)
Your a mind reader as well as a great diagnostician. How did you know I’ve been looking at these two scanners and needed your opinion? Scan tools can be an addiction. What’s is the difference or advantage between the Diagon IV vs the Diagon V. I think that ThinkTool ProS is hard to beat right now unless your looking for a compact tool.
Thank you for this video and have a great Thanksgiving.
P/S. Just looked on Amazon and with Prime that tool is too good to pass up, free shipping also.
Yeah it's a awesome deal! You will love it 👌
So same amount of special functions and same amount of modules red on both scanners?
Yes
what i did was bought the smaller one and then downloaded software to my samsung S-4 tablet where i had a 10" screen works great and has a stylus
I've been wondering if that would work
Can you get all. The function like the pro with key program ?
@@mattcat231 yes downloaded software from launch site works great and runs faster
@@GeneG-wk2mz everything works except easier to read and faster because processor is faster on the s4 tablet and love the stylus
Wow that's incredible. I can't believe I didn't think of that first. I'm gonna make a copy of all the .apk files on my zurich zr pro, and see if I can install them on another device with bluetooth. I mean, I can't think of any reason why that wouldn't work.
I got the strap on solus. Does almost everything, especially automated bleed. I gotta be able to graph live data, especially O² sensors
Good exponent on the sensor description
"strap on" lol!!!
Happy Thanksgiving to you & Amanda bro great content as always!
Really like the content , you inspired me not to throw money at the problem. Nissan Titan won't take a 710 CCA battery. It will die overnight but will take 910 CCA with no issue .
Thanks for the review Ivan. One thing that was overlooked in these reviews is the cost of ownership based on the yearly licensing. For a professional is not a problem, but forna DIY could it be
No yearly licensing fees, plus two years free updates!
I got the DiagunV and it is pretty rad. Actuation tests, coding... More than happy as a hobbyist.
+2 for using "rad" in your comment!!!
Could the Diagun V, really program new ECU's? Could it also program a new BCM? And, does it really do crankshaft sensor and cam shaft sensor relearns?
What do you think of the TOPDON PHOENIX PLUS vs Thinktool pros
So which one is best for programming Keys including proximity. In Australia this is a problem, dealers usually want over $600 on most cars, locksmiths around half that. You can buy the blank keys but you can't program them
The best thing you can get for programming keys would be some kind of specialized programmer, like the Autel IM608. It can do pretty much just about anything you can throw at it, not to mention the special hardware addons it has. Especially useful for programming smart keys. Aside from that, most of your higher end bi directional tools have pretty similar key/immo funtionality.
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Hello, does the Diagun V, really program new ECU's? Does it really do crankshaft & camshaft relearns? Also, could you program a new BCM: body control module, with it?
🤔Heyy....wait just a darn minute....is your alter ego Chris Fix? You sound an awful lot like him!!!!Hmm....🤔😂 You can tell me I promise I won't tell anyone !!!!
I really enjoyed this video. I would love to see more ProS tutorials, especially TPMS and programming remotes. Thank you.
The Thinkcar Pro are not being manufactured anymore the replacement is the Thinkcar S10 platinum. Once the Pros are gone that’s it for them.
Are you saying that both Pro and ProS models are discontinued?
@@Graham_Wideman yes sir, that’s correct. There are sellers that have them still but no more being made. The S10 has taken over that and a new one coming with CanFD
Surely there is somewhere that will test the engine computer for you? Here in the U.K. I used ECUtesting to test my Honda Civic diesel computer, it failed, and they then repaired it for about £330 total including postage. Testing only costs about £60.
Ancel - bad cheap bidirectional scanner-wont bootup much of the time-no reset-bad customer service-very limited scan ability-ever changing bi directional ability.
LAUNCH DO NOT HONOUR THERE WARRANTY. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT WHEN IT'S STILL UNDER WARRANTY THEN YOUR ON YOUR OWN. YOU WILL COME TO REALISE THAT YOUVE BEEN SOLD A CHINESE UNIT AND THE HELPLINE IN THE COUNTRY IN WHICH YOU BOUGHT IT CAN'T HELP YOU. YOU'VE BLOWN YOUR CASH
Can you do an update of using the thinktool pros please ? How are you finding it ?
Need an affordable bidirectional scanner 68 retired limited income w/ arthritis and diabetes. Limited mobility
I started watching your video for the first minute and a half and I already you have to say straight to the point lots of information in the short time. Great job 👍
I've had a Launch X431 Pad II for a good while now, back when I was working at the local Volvo dealer. I generally only worked on Volvo's, Mercedies and BMWs back then. It was far better than the shop's Snap-On scanner on those types of cars. Admittedly, it's pretty slow on initial bootup. But once it's up and running, it's reasonably fast. My only hang-up on it is that Launch scanners seem to be a bit lacking in TPMS support for a lot of cars. And now that I work for a body shop that works on practically everything under the sun, I'm beginning to wonder if I should consider upgrading.
Doesnt BMW and Mercedes use their own program like VCDS for VW/Audi vehicles?
I have a launch 431 but was debating to get a thinktool, just based on what you've shown it can do. It appears to some more capabilities on some cars. Thank you for your review, Ivan!
These tools are all the same, clones of each other..
@@globalcommerce7654 No, now that I have received my 20% discounted (### Thanks for the Tip, Ivan!! ### ) ThinkTool PROS in. I don't think one is a copy of the other. The thinktool seems to do a lot more, just in terms of saving data and telemetry on a vehicle to vehicle basis, allowing pre and post repair reports. That's a nice feature. You can save telemetry, photos, notes, etc from the looks of it. Comparing it by hooking it into a Honda CRV, it has more functions and pids. The interface is much faster. Some dialog boxes look similar but that's likely a function of whatever tool they used to develop the software. It scans fast too. The hierarchical view is new to me - it makes it all very clear. I haven't fixed anything with it yet but will try the launch and thinktool side by side.
@@kastooMcFry I say that they are the same as in core software and obd2 tool, just with minor modifications as you mentioned,.
Maybe making a playlist for diagnostic tools and put this video and your other ones in it. Refer people to it when asked about scanners.
Great video.
Why the Thinktool ProS and just PRO?
All my vehicles are pre 2006 and I bought both the diagn IV and the Autel MaxiPRO MP808K with the intention of sending back the one I didn't like (free Amazon returns). I ended up keeping the Autel due to bigger screen size, nicer graphing options, and one continuous page for active pids on the data stream. If you activate all the pids on the diagn and need to see the next page it loads for a while and it was driving me nuts. Plus the small text was a little annoying. if I had to buy today I would go with the pros.
The MP808 is a very good unit.
How much is the subscription cost for the maxipro?
@@DevonBbrown I don't know - you get free updates for the 1st year or two and that's all I did as I don't own any newer vehicles so don't need the updates. You don't need a subscription to keep running the unit - you'll just have access to the vehicles included in your updates. Mine is updated to 2022 vehicles. I imagine I'll never have to use it on that new of a vehicle.
Take care!
Thanks for the ThinkTool Pros review. I ordered and received the amazon special. I will add that the literature states that you can continue to use the scanner even if you don't upgrade. I can find no source for what each adapter is used for. They appear to be OBD1 adapters. Do you simply go by physical fit to use the adapters? Is there a car vs adapter listing somewhere? My last question, can you use the phone app on this ThinkDiag unit once it is registered using the tablet? It appears that all the proprietary stuff is in the diag unit, not in the tablet.
If I only have one vehicle, is there something between the bluetooth/app and the $1000 full function scanners?
If you only own ONE car or only buy one brand of car, and don't need bi-directional controls, the best FULL SYSTEM OBD2 scanner is the Walmart HyperTough HT200 Bluetooth dongle for only $50. It uses the same vehicle-specific software as the high-end Autel, TopDon, Launch or ThinkCar scanners and includes 14 reset/service functions at no additional cost.
What is the pro s ? Your link does t work to Amazon. I see a pro +
With all the different scanners that you use which one is your go to scanner
As an amateur who's RANK at best I can't afford $300 yearly software upgrade. So, for instance, if I have a 2018 Toyota Sequoia that I want to maintain can I buy a scanner and use it UN-UPGRADED for the life of the car? That for personal use is it appropriate to ONLY UPGRADE when I get a newer car or when I help a friend who has newer car??
No need to upgrade anything ever if you don't keep buying brand-new cars every year :)
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thx
Nice video can this program keys 🔑
Can you show key programming on Nissan Thanks
Thanks Ivan....Would be amazing as a follow up to compare the in depth coverage.....and special functions....
Thinktool pros vs topdon phoenix elite or plus ?
Ivan, good demonstration on the think pro and diagun V. Good timing on both.
Diagun V is perfect for on the go jobs, think pro is perfect for deeper and detailed information on jobs in site. Since i have Launch crp129x Scan tool, it's what i could afford to get at the time. I like it, but think pro would be better for me in detailed work. I am particularly interested in screen capture, screen recording while live data, but software updates? Lifetime updates or subscription? That's what will influence my choice.
I like both! Great demo! 👍
Thanks for the comment, Josh! No supscription costs, and 2 years free updates. You won't need to update the software at all unless you run into brand-new 2021 or newer cars :)
I love the smart scan. Planing to get a thinktool
Does thinkcar do mileage correction??
can I attach an endoscope camera to the thinkcar pros?
Guess a lot will do with the cost to update. I’m just a diyer and don’t want to spend a ton of $$ but would like a good scan tool. I’ve always done my own work but looks like an above average scan tool is a must have these days. Looking for one with bi-directional control, topology, fuel injector balancing, and good data stream capabilities in the $600-$800 range. Any recommendations?
The choice depends on what you are likely to need most of the time and how deep does the person need to go.
The think tool is pretty lol :-D
The problem with android based devices is the boot time.. my old modis edge booted up in like 5 seconds and would be ready to go. But it was 10x the price and couldn't do 1/2 the stuff any of those can do minus the scope
VERUS takes like 2 minutes to boot up 😅 Android is fast vs that!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics yeah if I recall correctly they used windows xp 😂
What about replacing modules that need to be programmed? For instance Ford electric power steering or GM fuel pump module. I have an Autel MK808 it does a lot but i want more.
Thanks for your reviews and videos.