Proof of Euler's Formula Without Taylor Series

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  • Опубліковано 25 бер 2020
  • This is an important result in Complex Analysis. By letting z be a function that maps real numbers to complex numbers defined as z(θ) = cos(θ)+isin(θ), we can differentiate z and solve the resulting differential equation to prove Euler's Formula. This method is more rigorous than the classic Taylor Series proof as it does not involve rearranging an infinite sum.

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  • @willassad8670
    @willassad8670  3 роки тому +491

    First, note that this formula is a DEFINITION in complex analysis, so this argument is not a “proof”. It is, however, a very nice explanation of why this definition makes sense. Note that the step at 2:24 isn’t exactly rigorous as it requires integration over a complex domain, which may not be well-defined.

    • @krx3070
      @krx3070 3 роки тому +5

      I think it's okay because the same formula is in the Wikipedia

    • @willassad8670
      @willassad8670  3 роки тому +69

      @@krx3070 It’s most definitely okay, but it requires more justification than just adding an integral sign.

    • @krx3070
      @krx3070 3 роки тому +1

      @@willassad8670 ya ik

    • @thinkers6616
      @thinkers6616 2 роки тому +2

      @@willassad8670 why do we need to equate theta to zero? what will happen if theta is geater than zero? thanks

    • @taranmellacheruvu2504
      @taranmellacheruvu2504 2 роки тому +22

      @@thinkers6616 Because c is a constant, it will be the same value no matter what value any of the variables has. Putting in 0 for theta just makes the whole process easier, because you can easily get the value of c; inputting 0 eliminates many other parts of the expression. As an example of an unfavorable outcome, if you input pi, you get:
      z = cos(pi) + isin(pi)
      z = -1 + i*0
      z = -1
      -1 = c * e^(i * pi)
      Here, you can’t proceed to calculate c because you don’t know what e^(i * pi) is, as we haven’t proven the formula yet.

  • @ralf7568
    @ralf7568 Рік тому +492

    My mind has been blown. I had never seen this proof before and yet it's so elegant and simple.

    • @Darkness_7193
      @Darkness_7193 10 місяців тому

      @@judesalles arguments?

    • @canyoupoop
      @canyoupoop 8 місяців тому +11

      Rip your blown mind. We almost had a great mathematician 🥀😭

    • @jessstuart7495
      @jessstuart7495 8 місяців тому

      It's from Complex Analysis.

    • @anoptainium
      @anoptainium 8 місяців тому +1

      This is not a proof . You can't take an equation and prove it by it's equal . A linguistic example to more easily understand it is this :
      Q:What is the definition of Shame?
      A:The Shame you feel when someone shames you .
      This is false . You can't define a word by using the word because then it doesn't define anything it just says I exist because I exist

    • @YarBarDGAP2003
      @YarBarDGAP2003 8 місяців тому +2

      Also we need to determine complex integral and complex functions like Ln and exp

  • @andrewhone3346
    @andrewhone3346 8 місяців тому +241

    As pointed out by someone else, this is not really a proof, because you are assuming things about complex integration and complex functions that require justification. So what this really shows is the consistency of various operations that are familiar with real variables and functions. For instance, how do you define the natural logarithm ln for a complex argument z? (In fact, it is a multivalued function with infinitely many branches.) Similarly, how do you define the exponential function for a complex argument, and show that (locally, in some domain) it is the inverse of the logarithm? One way to do this is by solving the ODE dz/dt = z in the complex domain (for complex argument t). Then by integrating along a curve in the t plane you can prove that the solution is a holomorphic function of t, hence it has a Taylor series (which you can compute from the ODE); and after that you can set t = i theta and justify the rest of your argument.

    • @morgengabe1
      @morgengabe1 8 місяців тому +1

      Shouldn't you only need to answer such questions for this exercise if your definition of real-value multiplication doesn't handle constants?

    • @andrewhone3346
      @andrewhone3346 8 місяців тому

      Sorry, not sure what you mean: this is about complex integration, not real multiplication.

    • @212ntruesdale
      @212ntruesdale 8 місяців тому

      Glad someone is still looking at this. Complex numbers aside, I think the integration needs to be ln abs z, because z = - 1 for theta = pi. I can’t see the justification for then dropping abs, to then have exactly what you want to show. Your thoughts?

    • @andrewhone3346
      @andrewhone3346 8 місяців тому

      @@212ntruesdale z is a complex number, and you really do need to integrate w.r.t. z (not the absolute value |z| which is real and non-negative) to get the complex logarithm, which is log z = ln |z| + i arg z ; the multivaluedness comes from the argument, which is only defined up to integer multiples of 2 pi. The Euler identity specifically concerns the case |z| =1, where the real part of the log is zero.

    • @Lucien_Lachance_du_13
      @Lucien_Lachance_du_13 8 місяців тому

      Lots of thanks

  • @blokyk
    @blokyk 3 роки тому +54

    This is such a nice proof ! :D Thank you for explaining it so clearly and briefly :)

  • @nexonym2008
    @nexonym2008 2 роки тому +9

    That’s such an elegant proof. Very good video!

  • @alielhajj7769
    @alielhajj7769 8 місяців тому +44

    The only problem here is using logarithm in the complex setting which is a bit tricky, it’s better to just use the characteristic equation of the ODE to show that this is the solution and we know that such a linear ODE has a unique solution

    • @pqb0
      @pqb0 8 місяців тому

      Can you explain how you show it only has a unique solultion?

    • @danielsantrikaphundo4517
      @danielsantrikaphundo4517 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@pqb0Picard's theorem on the existance and uniqueness of solutions of initial value problems

  • @xxxalphaeverythingxxx8489
    @xxxalphaeverythingxxx8489 Рік тому +18

    One of the best available proofs for high schoolers

  • @Dollyo98
    @Dollyo98 10 місяців тому +3

    Very explanatory and concise video, good job!

  • @bscutajar
    @bscutajar Рік тому +69

    To anyone confused about taking theta=0:
    If I give you the plot of a line y=x+C and you want to find C, you can just pick any point on the line to find C. But typically you'd choose the y-intercept (x=0) since it gives you the answer directly. Picking any other point would give the same answer, since it's the same line.

    • @raminrasouli7565
      @raminrasouli7565 8 місяців тому +1

      Thank you very much.

    • @account5223
      @account5223 8 місяців тому +1

      lol how would this be this video's point of confusion

    • @modeler4
      @modeler4 8 місяців тому +3

      Because he didn't explain it as well as here, which is not confusing.

  • @echo5delta286
    @echo5delta286 Рік тому +24

    I shared this with my high school students to lay the foundation for answering the question: "Is there a complex number z such that a nonzero real number raised to the power of z will equal zero?"
    Thank you for such a wonderful argument!

    • @thelaststraw1467
      @thelaststraw1467 11 місяців тому +1

      umm is there? cant seem to figure it out. any hints?

    • @echo5delta286
      @echo5delta286 11 місяців тому +5

      @@thelaststraw1467 I don't think I'm expert enough to give a hint without giving away my full argument. If you would like my full argument for why there is no complex exponent that will take a real number to zero, by all means, read on:
      Since any complex number can be expressed as a+bi, and exponents add under multiplication, e^(a+bi) = (e^a)(e^bi). e^a, with a being a real number, can never equal 0, so the question becomes: Is there a real number b such that e^bi = 0? If there is, then (e^a)(e^bi) will equal 0, regardless of what e^a is. Well, this is equivalent to solving the equation e^i(theta) = 0, with theta being some real number.
      Since e^i(theta) = cos(theta) + isin(theta), we now need to find a real number theta whose cosine *and* sine are both zero. That is the only way that cos(theta) + isin(theta) could equal zero, since i is a nonzero number. A quick check of the graphs of the cosine and sine functions, along with an understanding of their periodic nature, will verify that there is no real number whose cosine and sine are both zero.
      Therefore, there is no real number b, and consequently no complex number a+bi, such that e^(a+bi) = 0. I'm comfortable with assuming that, since no complex number a+bi exists for which e^(a+bi) = 0, then no complex number a+bi exists for which r^(a+bi) = 0, with r being any nonzero real number. This is not a rigorous proof, but in my opinion, it's good enough for a high school math class. Cheers!

    • @rv706
      @rv706 8 місяців тому +2

      If you're implying that it exists, then *you have taught your high school students something wrong!*
      There is no nonzero complex number w and complex number z such that w^z=0.
      [Here, as usual, we're defining w^z as exp(z ln(w)) for a fixed determination of the complex natural logarithm]
      This trivially follows from the fact that the complex exponential never attains the value 0.

    • @sammiecakie8973
      @sammiecakie8973 8 місяців тому +2

      @@rv706ok did you even read the explanation?

    • @echo5delta286
      @echo5delta286 8 місяців тому

      @@rv706 Fear not! The answer to the question posed in my original comment was a conclusive "No!"
      Thank you for the elegant proof. My class was unfamiliar with the range of the natural exponential and logarithmic functions over the complex domain, so we were unaware of that fact.

  • @marcellomarianetti1770
    @marcellomarianetti1770 Рік тому +32

    Nice, I'm only a little bit worried of complex integrals, because they usually behave very differently from real ones. And ln(z) can exist in many domains, the usual one is C\{Re(z)

    • @GabrielMartins-tv2gt
      @GabrielMartins-tv2gt 8 місяців тому +13

      Yeah this is not a proof. The manipulation with differentials is very informal, even if one interprets that equation as differential forms I don't believe it is correct as one side of the equation is a complex differential form and the other a real form. I don't see a way in which this argument can be mended, I think it should be thought more like an interesting algebraic manipulation that is not very correct but it leads you to a correct formula.

  • @idolgin776
    @idolgin776 Рік тому +9

    Really nice! I am impressed how this proof came together!

  • @atraiann
    @atraiann 11 місяців тому +1

    Super demonstration! Bravo!

  • @user-pm2bn8or9l
    @user-pm2bn8or9l 3 роки тому +5

    This really helped Thank you :D

  • @mismis3153
    @mismis3153 Рік тому +11

    This how my friend and I managed to convince ourselves it was true when we first saw the formula. This is the first time I've ever seen someone prove it that way and it makes me happy that we were right back then.

  • @tannhaeuserx464
    @tannhaeuserx464 8 місяців тому +3

    The whole thing is backward or circular. The problem arises because cos and sin are ill-defined in high school and at the beginning of calculus. To properly define sin and cos, you need to define them by Taylor series or by the exponential function or by solutions to differential equations.
    Here is how to do this properly and in the most elementary way. You define ln(x) = \int 1/t dt first. Then you define exp(x) as the inverse function of ln(x). At this point, you introduce the complex numbers and define cos(x) := (exp(ix) + exp(-ix))/2 and sin(x) := (exp(ix) - exp(-ix))/(2i). The Euler formula then comes out almost as the definition.
    There are alternatives, but they all come down to this: These functions are all solutions to the 4-th order differential equation (d^4/dx^4) f(x) = f(x). exp(i x), cos(x) and sin(x) are all solutions to this equation. The Euler formula is just a linear dependence relation of these three solutions over the complex numbers.

  • @tcoren1
    @tcoren1 8 місяців тому +1

    I'd say this is about as rigorous as the taylor series argument, but is shorter and is physically motivated from the context of solving ODEs of various physical systems. Nice work

  • @incizor1273
    @incizor1273 8 місяців тому

    That was elegant. Thank you sir!

  • @caghey
    @caghey 7 місяців тому

    omg that was awesome!! and your handwriting >>

  • @fifaham
    @fifaham Рік тому

    Very smart - Job well done, Will.

  • @rcmusicpro
    @rcmusicpro Рік тому +2

    what a nice proof!! it helped me alot!!!

  • @tyronefloyd7968
    @tyronefloyd7968 9 місяців тому +1

    I love it. I think it brilliant for bringing it home after the Taylor expansion series.

  • @rodericksibelius8472
    @rodericksibelius8472 3 місяці тому

    And how do you apply that formula in designing Microwave circuits and other electronic design calculations, can you provide and example how it is used in the real word both in 'radians' and 'degrees'?

  • @Caspar__
    @Caspar__ 8 місяців тому

    A lot of elegant proofs use the properties of ODEs thank you so much for showing me another one

  • @S555.13
    @S555.13 9 місяців тому +1

    Wonderful, so elegant, thanks a lot

  • @o5-1-formerlycalvinlucien60
    @o5-1-formerlycalvinlucien60 Рік тому +1

    beautiful and elegant proof.

  • @undesiredmilo
    @undesiredmilo Рік тому +4

    this made more sense to me than eulers actual proof

  • @digbycrankshaft7572
    @digbycrankshaft7572 8 місяців тому

    Very nice. Simple and direct

  • @ANJA-mj1to
    @ANJA-mj1to 7 місяців тому

    As a civil engineer and reading safety navigation yournal for constructing elements in see/ocean crutial role was in this kind of Euler's formula. All fascilitates of the trigonometric form are now integrate with the Fourier transform which means it couldn't express wave forms of periodici transformation as simple super position of su wave form.
    This is exp. how many of us CAN APPLY ALL DICIPLINES TO GREAT PATH FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. 👏

  • @reeb3687
    @reeb3687 Місяць тому

    i guess my next question is: what is the motivation for putting a number in the form cosθ +isinθ? i understand that polar coordinates and the complex plane are useful, but i still dont see where someone would come up with this form to represent something just by complete chance as a result of liking to use the complex plane.

  • @vitovittucci9801
    @vitovittucci9801 8 місяців тому +10

    The second equation needs the first one, that you take for garanted. (actually it is an arbitrary definition). So it's a circular proof.

  • @calnevacars
    @calnevacars 8 місяців тому +1

    Direct proof with no calculus: Begin with e=(1+1/n)^n as n->infinity, from which follows that e^x=(1+x/n)^n as n->infinity. From this, first compute the modulus of e^(ix).
    |(1+ix/n)^n|^2=(1+x^2/n^2)^n->e^(x^2/n)->1 as n->infinity. This shows that the modulus |e^(ix)|=1. As for the argument of e^(ix), let u=arg(1+ix/n), then tan(u)=x/n, and hence, arg((1+ix/n)^n)=n*arg(1+ix/n)=nu=xu/tan(u), and since u/tan(u)->1 as n->infinity, it follows that arg(e^(ix))=x. This shows that e^(ix) is a complex number of modulus 1 and argument x. There is only one such number, cos(x)+isin(x).

  • @arnavraj7930
    @arnavraj7930 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much😇🙏🏻

  • @marciliocarneiro
    @marciliocarneiro 8 місяців тому

    Congratulatios!I never thought of that demonstration. Anyway is a proof that needs a higher mathematics.

  • @italnsd
    @italnsd 10 місяців тому +2

    A very neat demonstration indeed. The problem that you have here though is that you still need to define what e^(it) is (using t instead of theta for writing simplicity in this comment), as an exponential with imaginary argument is not an obvious entity, and why you can assume it is the inverse operation of the complex natural logarithm. Instead, by defining e^x as the infinite polinomial 1 + x + x^2/2! + x^3/3! +... , proving Euler's Formula becomes the simple act of evaluating the polynomial when its argument is on the imaginary axis. Sure one has to rearrange the terms of an infinite sum, and there are rules to do that, but I'm not sure why you consider this less rigorous when these rules are satisfied. I would call it maybe more "technical" (even though there are hidden technicalities in your chosen path as well) but there are no issues about its mathematical validity

  • @solelydark
    @solelydark Рік тому +1

    Very beautiful. Keep it up!

  • @acerovalderas
    @acerovalderas 9 місяців тому +1

    Simple and lovely proof.

  • @huaizhongr
    @huaizhongr 8 місяців тому

    How to prove Euler really depends on how the exponential function is defined. In this video it is defined as the solution of a differential equation, or more precisely, the unique solution to an initial value problem. Implicitly it takes the preparation of the existence and uniqueness of a (linear) ODE to justify this method. The proof using Taylor series also requires substantial preparation in Differential Calculus. It seems that at the level of high school math, proving Euler has a fundamental obstacle which is the very definition of the exponential function e^x. I am curious if there is a way to get around this, i.e., a proof without "advanced" mathematics.

  • @magnitudematrix2653
    @magnitudematrix2653 Рік тому +1

    Thats great and everything but what are you drawing lines and numbers around? Can you extrapolate each function and explain it? Or will you just give me more numbers to gawk at?

  • @MadScientyst
    @MadScientyst 8 місяців тому +13

    I have 2 Math degrees & I'd have NEVER guessed this method exists as an alternative Euler's proof!
    U have amazing mathematical insight my friend....love the few adv Math tutorials u got here!!

    • @bobbun9630
      @bobbun9630 8 місяців тому

      The way I have seen it done before (using x for theta) is to divide both sides by e^ix. This gives you 1 = e^(-ix)*(cosx + isinx). Now just show that the right side is equal to one by taking its derivative, noting that the derivative is zero so the original expression is a constant, and doing the substitution x=0 to find what that constant is. There is the issue that you need to know that e^(ix) is never zero. That's true, but a more rigorous examination might want to show it.

    • @andrewkarsten5268
      @andrewkarsten5268 8 місяців тому +3

      If you have 2 math degrees then you should know this is a definition in complex analysis, not a proof, and that it lacks way to many details that are being glossed over

    • @rv706
      @rv706 8 місяців тому

      ​@@bobbun9630: What definitions of exp(z), sin(z) and cos(z) are you using?

    • @bobbun9630
      @bobbun9630 8 місяців тому +1

      @@rv706 In practice I'm not. Work through the proof sketch I gave if you're having trouble understanding it. If you really want to be a stickler, yes, we have to know what functions we're talking about. However, the method I described is not intended to be a proof from first principles (or even a complete proof) and is understandable for anyone who has enough calculus to apply the chain rule and take derivatives of trigonometric and exponential functions with the understanding that i is a constant. It doesn't go so deep as to appeal directly to the definitions of those functions. Note that sin and cos in Euler's formula have real arguments, so a definition of those functions that supports non-real complex arguments is not required in any case.

    • @wolfvash22
      @wolfvash22 8 місяців тому

      I am curious, why do your have two math degrees?, I mean, did you study the same degree at two different universities or did you study two different programs but both math based?

  • @semplar2007
    @semplar2007 8 місяців тому +1

    nice proof! altho during rearranging at 2:05 you divide both parts by z, so you have to check that z ≠ 0, which is actually true, cause |z| = 1 since it's a unit circle

  • @kokomanation
    @kokomanation 8 місяців тому

    That was really awesome and faster than the other method

  • @godknifetube
    @godknifetube 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much!

  • @nickfleiwer5272
    @nickfleiwer5272 8 місяців тому +3

    I think you can’t integrate 1/z dz to ln z, because it’s not true for complex numbers. Even with the complex log it doesn’t work, I.e. at the branch cut, whereas 1/z integrated is holomorph on C without 0.

  • @Eknoma
    @Eknoma 8 місяців тому +1

    So how did you find that the indefinite integral of 1/z is ln(z)?
    How do you even define what integrating through the complex numbers means? Especially when you don't specify what curve you are integrating over?

  • @yackohood
    @yackohood 8 місяців тому

    Without « ln », we can say that e^z = e^itheta+C and C=1 because z(0) = 1

  • @SavouryBromine
    @SavouryBromine 8 місяців тому +1

    Beautiful proof 🔝

  • @Akash-mo8zd
    @Akash-mo8zd 9 місяців тому +1

    from which book you found this explanation

  • @ridleak1443
    @ridleak1443 3 місяці тому

    This is definitely the best way to prove and explain eulers identity

  • @NONAME-1911
    @NONAME-1911 7 місяців тому

    wowww..... so easy , nicely explained. THANKS....

  • @32266ms
    @32266ms Рік тому +1

    That was awesome!

  • @eduardoteixeira869
    @eduardoteixeira869 8 місяців тому

    Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @rv706
    @rv706 8 місяців тому +1

    This doesn't strike me as a particularly rigorous proof.
    1) the way the differential equation was "solved" by separation of variables would need more clarification, especially since it involves the complex differential dz/z.
    2) the natural logarithm is only single-valued on a simply connected domain not containing the origin. Which domain do you choose? And what determination of the log?
    3) the integration on the left-hand side is a different type of integration than the one appearing on the right-hand side. The first is the integration of a complex differential form along a path; the second is just the indefinite integral of a real differential. The dθ can be thought of as a (non-holomorphic) complex differential form too, but that shouldn't be skipped over so fast.

  • @rmpdasilva
    @rmpdasilva 8 місяців тому

    Beautiful! Tks

  • @sistajoseph
    @sistajoseph 9 місяців тому

    It's kind of lovely. Thanks.

  • @banerjeekaran
    @banerjeekaran Рік тому +3

    Can we really use natural logarithms to prove it? Shouldn't we first derive how e is related to ln(z) from first principles before using that fact to prove it?

    • @DipayanPyne94
      @DipayanPyne94 Рік тому +1

      Yes. We should. We have assumed it to be a given in the above video.

  • @davidwilkie9551
    @davidwilkie9551 8 місяців тому

    Nice piece of self-defining circular logic, which is excellent Teaching practice, when you look at it holistically.

  • @ayush_vardhan
    @ayush_vardhan 8 місяців тому

    Marvelous, Simply Marvelous.

  • @CalamityInAction
    @CalamityInAction 2 роки тому +2

    GENIUS

  • @phyarth8082
    @phyarth8082 Рік тому +1

    De Moivre’s before Euler knew expression z^n = r^n( cos(nθ) + isin(nθ) ). Euler much improved equation by introducing e exponential.

  • @littleconan7929
    @littleconan7929 8 місяців тому

    not easy to justify the switch of z and dtheta, especialy for "lower grades".
    I have used quite a similar approach at the begining but using the second derivative => z'' = -z
    So exp(i thetha) is a particular solution (in C) of this differential equation.
    General solution is z = Acos(theta) + Bsin(theta).
    Then use limit condition z(0) = 1 and z' = iz and you easily find A and B.

  • @user-xy9ip4my3k
    @user-xy9ip4my3k 7 місяців тому

    Can you find sin(1)
    I am not able to find
    Solution to cubic equation using cardano

  • @TranquilSeaOfMath
    @TranquilSeaOfMath 8 місяців тому

    Very nice presentation.

  • @Arriyad1
    @Arriyad1 Місяць тому

    The proof starts with the derivatives: but are these derivatives (deriv of cos is -sin; deriv of sin is cos) not proven by Taylor series we wanted to avoid ? I mean, are the Taylor series not hiding behind the formulas for derivatives of cos and sin?

  • @BenDRobinson
    @BenDRobinson 8 місяців тому +5

    It would be great to pair this with the visualisation that explains why d/dx(sin x) = (cos x) etc, by reference to a point moving around the unit circle.

  • @jumblefumble
    @jumblefumble 8 місяців тому

    Won't there be different domain and definition for complex integral of Z

  • @unimaginableboi7164
    @unimaginableboi7164 9 місяців тому

    great method thank you

  • @Kknhg
    @Kknhg 8 місяців тому

    Eullor proved his formula using sequences and series , and you proved the validity of his formula in a genius way. Well d

  • @RahulKumar-id5cq
    @RahulKumar-id5cq 8 місяців тому

    Outstanding!

  • @ThisGuy0903
    @ThisGuy0903 8 місяців тому

    Beautiful simple proof

  • @madhusudanmewada6629
    @madhusudanmewada6629 Рік тому +1

    I am searching this proof since long time

  • @kelvinadimas8851
    @kelvinadimas8851 Рік тому +3

    3:08 why it has to be tetha equal 0? can we subsitute other number such as tetha equal 45?

    • @kila200
      @kila200 Рік тому +1

      You can

    • @magma90
      @magma90 Рік тому +3

      Because e^i0=e^0=1 and cos0+isin0=1+i0=1
      We don’t know what e^i45° equals as we have not finished the proof

    • @bscutajar
      @bscutajar Рік тому +2

      If I give you the plot of a line y=x+C and I want you to find C, you can just pick any point on the line to find C. But typically you'd choose the y-intercept (x=0) since it gives you the answer directly.

  • @indigoselinger1640
    @indigoselinger1640 Рік тому +3

    1:04 how do we know the derivative of i? I know it’s a constant and that checks out algebraically but how exactly do you define the derivative of imaginary numbers?

    • @Lil_electrician
      @Lil_electrician Рік тому +5

      Is just finding the slope at any point of the tangent line on an argand diagram, so I don’t think complex numbers mean anything. You have to imagine them as normal numbers otherwise they don’t make any actual sense. I might have said something stupid idk

    • @lakshay-musicalscientist2144
      @lakshay-musicalscientist2144 Рік тому +4

      Derivative of a complex number or any number for that matter doesn't make sense , as long as it's constant you can just put it out of integration or differentiation, differentiation will ork similar to other constants

  • @yahyabatat
    @yahyabatat 2 роки тому +8

    This argument reminded me of the chicken and egg dialectic.

    • @willassad8670
      @willassad8670  Рік тому +5

      Yes it’s really a hand wavy argument and says essentially nothing. It’s certainly not a proof, but perhaps another reason why the definition of the complex exponential is what it is

  • @cooldawg2009
    @cooldawg2009 6 місяців тому

    Great proof!

  • @GasNikolai
    @GasNikolai 8 місяців тому

    Very brilliant proof 🎉

  • @chimingchan9038
    @chimingchan9038 8 місяців тому

    Very nice!

  • @AmitVerma-rf6fx
    @AmitVerma-rf6fx 8 місяців тому

    Very wonderful proof

  • @mamoncitomc4637
    @mamoncitomc4637 8 місяців тому

    i remember learning this in middle school… good times :)

  • @qwertasd9705
    @qwertasd9705 Рік тому +1

    It is good . But if we do not know that relation from the beginning?
    But the proof using Taylor series starts from one side and reaches to the other

  • @Stephen-cn9tu
    @Stephen-cn9tu 11 місяців тому +10

    Pl ease note that in your derivation, e^C is not equal to C. This could be misleading

    • @gerva8897
      @gerva8897 8 місяців тому +9

      If e^C was substituted by another arbitrary constant like A, it would be ok. But yes e^C is not C in itself

    • @oshkiv4684
      @oshkiv4684 8 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, our diff eq teacher always used K or some other variable during these integrals, and just made note that K = e^C

  • @mustaqimhadi6381
    @mustaqimhadi6381 10 місяців тому

    wouldn't the integration of 1/z *dz produce a constant as well? so the 2 constants cancel each other out? help my math is terrible.

    • @vKxrey
      @vKxrey 8 місяців тому +2

      They would have different constants, so if you imagine the left integral having the constant K and the right integral hanging the constant R then C = R - K, do you see?

  • @aricwastaken
    @aricwastaken 8 місяців тому +1

    The thing that I am curious about is not the proof. I mean it is easier to prove an identity to be correct when you know that it IS correct. How did euler come up with the identity is what I'm in for. Euler probably didn't randomly come up with an equation and went hey e^ix =cosx +isinx looks pretty correct, let's prove. Can you show me how euler came up with it?

  • @pauselab5569
    @pauselab5569 8 місяців тому

    My favourite intuitive proof of Euler s theorem is that a curve with derivative that is always perpendicular is a circle

  • @trogdorbu
    @trogdorbu 8 місяців тому

    This was really cool to see, thanks for sharing, although I did have some suspicions that @andrewhone3346 confirmed.
    Having been away from doing pen-to-paper calculus for awhile now, I'm wondering, how do mathematicians justify applying the integration operator on both sides of the equals sign? In this example it seems not to matter that one side has dz and the other side dtheta. I guess another way to ask this is, how can each be integrated just as well when we're talking about integrating with respect to different variables?

  • @oshkiv4684
    @oshkiv4684 8 місяців тому

    "which will be the LAWN of Z"
    I have never heard it called that

  • @sebastianday6956
    @sebastianday6956 Рік тому +2

    This should have been the first day of differential equations if not earlier. Sigh.... Well better learned later than never.

  • @abrarfoysal6808
    @abrarfoysal6808 3 місяці тому

    Awesome brother❤

  • @harsh-up74
    @harsh-up74 5 місяців тому

    Nailed it man

  • @GicaKontraglobalismului
    @GicaKontraglobalismului Рік тому +1

    The proof is rigurous since theta is real. Thank you very much!

    • @MH-sf6jz
      @MH-sf6jz 8 місяців тому +1

      But z is not necessarily real. There are places need to be justified, such as why the line integral of 1/z is lnz, and they are not justified. It is very hard to say the proof is rigorous.

  • @youtubeyoutubeilove8855
    @youtubeyoutubeilove8855 8 місяців тому

    I can't believe that the proof was completed so easily. I thought it was an advanced mathematical proof that only people like Einstein could prove it.

  • @manfredbogner9799
    @manfredbogner9799 6 місяців тому

    very good, the right way

  • @lifeforever1665
    @lifeforever1665 Місяць тому

    How do you know i is a constant term while doing derivative?

  • @goldeer7129
    @goldeer7129 Рік тому +9

    Amazing ! But i feel a bit weird about taking the ln of a complex number... It's probably well defined and e^ln(z) = z being true as well, but I don't know much about it ? How does this work ?

    • @willassad8670
      @willassad8670  Рік тому +18

      log(z) is by definition, a complex number w, such that e^w = z. But you are right. This argument is not rigorous. We do not define what it means to differentiate or integrate over complex variables, which requires some complex analysis. It is a hand-wavy sketch aimed to give an intuition as to why this statement is true.

    • @indigoselinger1640
      @indigoselinger1640 Рік тому +1

      Since ln and exponents are one-to-one, inverse functions work on complex numbers without that problem.

    • @alphalunamare
      @alphalunamare Рік тому +3

      @@indigoselinger1640 You can't actually say that with certainty unless you have first performed some elementry complex analysis. It's good to hope that though as indeed is the hope behind this elegant intuative demonstration of what could be proven without Taylor's ugliness :-)

    • @neptunian6226
      @neptunian6226 Рік тому +6

      @@indigoselinger1640 in the complex numbers, ln is in fact not 1 to 1

    • @indigoselinger1640
      @indigoselinger1640 Рік тому +4

      @@alphalunamare Yeah, idk why I said that. I do have experience in complex analysis and I should know that a lot of functions aren't 1-1 on complex numbers. This definitely wasn't before I did complex analysis... lol

  • @GuniDubey-rz2gu
    @GuniDubey-rz2gu 5 місяців тому +1

    Extremely good

  • @prakrititimalsena3333
    @prakrititimalsena3333 8 місяців тому +1

    i did not understand why we did not take the absolute value of Z after integration of 1/Z

  • @eddyhedy5173
    @eddyhedy5173 Рік тому +1

    amazing vid

  • @ditch3827
    @ditch3827 8 місяців тому

    In your 3rd line you replaced the minus sign with i^2, but couldn't you have equally replaced it with (-i)^2 and got a different result?

    • @hameddalijeh5457
      @hameddalijeh5457 8 місяців тому

      No. If you want to factor +2 from (-2)^2
      Do you want to write it like (+2)(-2)?
      Or 🐤
      Do you want to write it like (+2)(+2)?

  • @renesperb
    @renesperb 8 місяців тому

    You could start differently : Define e^(i x) as cosx + i sinx . If you differentiate cos x+ i sinx to get -sin x+i cos x = i(cos x + i sinx ) ,then you see that it makes sense to define e^(i x) this way.

  • @avalagum7957
    @avalagum7957 8 місяців тому

    Wow, brilliant!