Her head was full of Harry/the Master at that time, she didn't give two craps about any planet, the Master could easily erase half the solar system and she wouldn't move an eyebrow about it.
To be fair, when dealing with a psychopathic mass-murderer, your best bet for survival is probably to play along until you get an opportunity to either take them out or escape.
TheInfernityZero I heard about that. And I really, really, REALLY wish Russell T Davies hadn't backed out on it. Because it was such a horrendous mistake for Ten to make, and it would have been truly great drama to see him learning to deal with the consequences of his actions. Bit of a missed opportunity there, really.
doesn;t that mean fix? edit: first i don't remember this second *' third shut up you dumbass it means kill 10% of something as punishment for the whole group
**Decimate** "Dec" - Dec latin for Ten, you probably recognize it from the Measuring cup, as Deca is the measurement of 1/10. (metric system) "imate" - is actually "ate" with some verbal fluff added to make it roll of the tongue- it is a latin suffix that has three meanings, but in this case it means; 'to make.' So Decimate means, to make something a tenth less. Simple Roman Math. (And like most roman things, it involves the death of...let's say..."unnecessary parts.")
Decimate (verb:) 1. kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of. 2. HISTORICAL kill one in every ten of (a group of people, originally a mutinous Roman legion) as a punishment for the whole group. So no, you just don't understand that the word has two meanings or that word meanings shift over time
To be fair, I do not see why not to enlarge its meaning. After all, it is useful to have a word for destruction which is not artificially targed to remove one-tenth of a group. Such extensions of meaning happen all the time. Journal: "late Middle English (originally denoting a book containing the appointed times of daily prayers): from Old French jurnal, from late Latin diurnalis (see diurnal)".
It usually is used correctly, just not in its initial usage. Yeah, I think there is something satisfying about it being one tenth (hence the "deci-", but I also know that meaning changes over time.
+TheGodlikeDragon He opened with the publicly televised murder of the US president and sealed the deal with the order to kill approx 700 million people. And he thought it good.
the concept of humanity’s descendants being tortured and confined to cyborgs and then going back in time to kill their ancestors because of the horrific fate that awaits them at the end of the universe and that it’s “fun” is one of the bleakest and scariest concepts put to script in television history. truly the most existential doctor who has gotten.
Honestly I think she’s kind of a bitch or at least really stupid to think that he actually cares about her she just naïve and power-hungry. Oh and her dancing sucks
I laugh whenever is see this because I just imagine one bloke with his finger over a play button for like 10 minutes waiting for the master to say here come the drums.
Sounds about right. The Master would have that guy sat there by the button during all the boring stuff, possibly hours knowing him, and the guy would be crying to press the dang button. Imagine the relief when the Master says, "Bring on the drums."
The paradox machine had nothing to do with the hole in the sky, description writer. The paradox machine is there simply to prevent the Toclofane from wiping themselves out by killing their ancestors.
So the tocalafane could have teleported into our dimension a lot early (before the red sky) and kill the humans however that would have ended up with them erasing themselves in the process?
@@thelasttimelord7550 well yes and no, as they wip[e themselves out then the curent humans would therefore come back to life etc thats why its a paradox
Yeah, but the Paradox Machine is shown activating when the sky opens, so it's clearly implied. I'd say it's both stopping the grandfather paradox and opening the rift.
I might be stupid in saying this but couldn't the paradox machine have allowed the paradox to rip open a whole in time or whatever to allow the toclafane through? But while also keeping the paradox form destroying everything? If I'm even making in any sense? Lol
@@thelasttimelord7550 That's ridiculous. The Doctor has shown affection for humanity throughout the entire series. Why do you think he constantly travels with one. He's literally shitting himself as the Master wipes them out. Other Time Lord's tend to at least consider humanity beneath them but it doesn't mean they don't care.
Let's see the Masters listen to Voodoo Child I can't decide hey Mickey Rasputin also did you know that the War Master as in Derek Jacobi the one directly before this one we see him regenerating Utopia was the narrator in A Child show in real life Derek Jacobi was the narrator button Universe it was the master
And this works so much better as the master is a the top he won his plan is done In power of the doctor it was a the endgame of his plan he haven’t won yet and it took may be in universe a hour or so for him to lose while back in sound of drum a whole year when by.
One of the best cliffhangers in the show’s history in my opinion. We’ve had cliffhangers of the Doctor being threatened by the Master, the Master about to win and even the Master being in danger but we never had the Master actually winning. He’s tried so hard and waited for ages just to have one up on the Doctor and that kiss he blows at 1:07 followed by thrusting his arms into the air, you can’t help but feel a little satisfied along with him that things have finally went his way for once. I think classic elitists like to rant on and on about John Simm’s Master but for me, he’s one of the top three, down from Delgado and tieing with Beevers for second.
Axons, Autons, Daleks, Toclafane and Cybermen, to name but a few of the powerful enemies he's used or allied with, no wonder they call him "The Master"!
Still a better Prime Minister then David Cameron. Edit from 5 years in the Future: I miss Cameron. Also, feel free to substitue the PM in the comment with any Prime Minster after that point up to Early 2021. Probably beyond, but use your judgement on that one. Edit in the Year 2023: Yep, Saxon STILL can't make things much worse. Yo Doctor, why'd you have to stop the Golden Age like that? Sure, Harriet Jones blew up a spaceship but this is much worse.
Mikari's I know! "And he wasn't even the worst..." Uh, how do you get worse than killing a billion people, taking over the world, and almost starting a universal war...?
One of the best times for doctor who, the best Doctor, the best Master, great side characters in Martha and Jack and a brilliant story. The rapport between Simm and Tennant is so good I could watch it forever.
From watching John Simm be the good guy in Life On Mars to this evil Master monster just shows how much of a versatile actor he is, and such a great one he is as well!
I couldn't agree more. Except for maybe the moment in end of time, where Rasolon goes, "If we die, you go with us!!" And then Tenant is like, "I know." It just gives me chills.
pious83 That's what was great about the first 4 series. Think about it. In series 1 the Daleks successfully destroyed the population of earth and were only stopped by Bad Wolf Rose. In series 2, the cybermen completely took over the whole earth, and the Daleks did as well. In series 3 this. In series 4, the Daleks took over earth again (sensing repetition 😂) but each finale felt big because of the big danger. Honestly, after series 4, nothing felt REALLY big or dangerous. Even with the new series, the cybermen don't feel too threatening. We all know the Doctor and two masters won't be taken out by cybermen :/
@@Gamelover254 I thought Series 5 also had a big cliffhanger with the whole universe being destroyed. It was Series 6 where the cliffhangers started to be rubbish
Fun fact: Tim Roth was offered the role of The Master, seriously considered it but turned it down in the hope of one day landing the role of The Doctor. He watched this episode and regretted his decision.
Never knew that. I would bloody LOVE to see Roth play the Doctor. Probably never going to happen now, sadly. He'd have been my first choice for John Constantine at one point as well.
Wait him?! I’ve been obsessed with the show Lie To Me, where Tim Roth plays Cal Lightman, the head of an American private firm that specialises in lie detection (but his character is still a Brit). I cannot imagine Cal Lightman being the Master but it would work so well! Shame on you Tim Roth for declining the role.
A lot of people don't like Simm's Master. They think he isn't enough like previous Masters. But they're forgetting something important: the Master NEVER regenerated in the classic series. Peter Pratt, Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainely, Gordon Tipple and Eric Roberts are all playing Roger Delgado's version of the Master (Pratt and Beevers are Delgado's decayed corpse, Ainely and Tipple are Delgado merged with Tremas, and Roberts is a Human possessed by the Master). So Simm is only the third incarnation of the Master to be seen on screen (Sir Derek Jacobi was the seconf, and we saw the 1st Master as a child AFTER Simm's debut), the 15th Master. Is it really that surprising that he's so different?
I agree too. It's like saying that I don't like David Tennant's Doctor, because he isn't grumpy like the First Doctor... and guess what, nearly everyone loves the former Doctor!
Cryer24597 Actually, saying "the Master never regenerated in the classic series" is a statement of fact. Saying he probably regenerated lots off screen is conjectural.
Doesn't properly explain why Derek Jacobi is much more intense and convincing villain than John Simm. I don't think Simm is a bad actor, but he was not right for the Master they wanted him to play. He was much better during the moments when he felt like the classic Master, while other times he was just over the top. Russel's idea of the Master as a Time Lord version of the Joker was incredibly wrong and felt even patronizing at times. It's like he made sure we won't forget that the Master is the villain by making him cackle insane laughter with insane look in his eyes all the time. It also doesn't help that there is not a single moment during the entirety of John Simm's run as the Master when I thought: This man is the Master. Before people get confused, I only felt one or two moments like that for Michelle Gomez's Master too. She was far to similar with John Simm's Master and it didn't work at all. It takes away all the uniqueness in the Master and replaces it with over-the-top villainy and the two are, sadly, the two weakest Master's in the history of the show, in my opinion (because Eric Roberts at least had that "I always DRESS for the occasion!"-moment which wipes the floor with anything and everything done by the Master since, apart from Derek Jacobi's "I... am... the Master!"). If you like these two Masters, fine, good for you, but don't try to convince others to like them. We (I'm not sure who the we actually are, but anyway) don't dislike the new Masters because they are different, we dislike them because they are, as villains, generic and boring. Not rip-offs of anything, but they have nothing to make them even remotely original. They took away the fact that the Master was completely evil, but also subtle and dominating with a certain amount of dignity to him. THAT BEING SAID this finale is still the second best of Russel's finales, in my opinion. It's one of the two which didn't make me groan and whine like Doomsday and The End of Time. Or the boring, overlong drag that was The Journey's End, for me.
Veikko Elo You say you dislike the new masters because they are generic and boring. If anything, the old masters were generic. They were the stereotypical evil mastermind. Nothing original there. I like all the Masters. I think Gomez does a brilliant job especially.
Lol I think it's because John Simm in real life seems like a real nice bloke, and even though his version of the Master was absolutely brilliant and he's an A+ actor I think you can always tell the the person playing The Master is a good bloke and he's just having fun being evil. Same with Tom Hiddleston playing Loki lol.
The Master is an example of the best kind of villian, unpredictable, psychotic and has a type of swagger to them. Who ever said villains had to be serious and moody? It's not their personality that makes them the villian, it's their ambitions and how far they are willing to go to achieve them
This is still the best season of doctor who since the 2005 revival. Doesn't get much better than the lunatic villain defeating the fallen hero in utter humiliation, holding a dictatorship of the planet for an entire year and succeeding in the end of civilisation as we know it. Now these are stakes that you can fear and become engrossed in. It's ironic too, because during the Russell T Davies run I consistently complained about poor to mediocre scripts on his part. I forgot that I overlooked some of his many gems. And this is one glimmering gem.
I loved this season as a kid and in hindsight I stand by my decision, what a fantastic build-up to a brilliant finale and arc. Also not to sound like a whiner but in hindsight the standard of quality has also changed. People loved to complain about Russel T Davies since he was showrunner for so long but now we can look back and really appreciate the narratives he made. He was amazing at building up to unique finale every time, even better than Moffat in my opinion. Because Russel builds it up throughout the entire season and often neatly wraps up character or narrative arcs. While Moffat's finales, while great, are usually self-contained and the build-up is very minimal in comparison. Season 3 was great at building up to the master and also tying back the Toclafane and all the set-up pay-off you could want.
g8ymw The SECOND most deranged of them, second to Missy. It's like the drums got really annoying when he was resurrected by the Time Lords to fight in the Last Great Time War.
I thought he made a nice twist on the role. Obviously Delgado made a brilliant Master but just like the Doctor, all the regenerations have to have their own levels of insanity and traits. I wish they got to explore the character more though. 4 episodes was nowhere near enough
2:02 I get goosebumps every time when you hear all those news broadcasts of despair as the broadcasters cry out for help all while you can hear the screams of everyone being slaughtered around them. On top of that the music with everyone’s faces stunned with hopelessness. What a powerful scene.
I love this scene, the acting, the music and the effects (by 2007 standards) are all great. But there's just one thing... the set wall wobbles at 0:46 when The Master runs into it and now I can never unsee it!
The master's playlist: Here Come the Drums Ra Ra Rasputin (The toymaker then took possession of the playlist, along with the master's soul) Spice Up Your Life 💙
You know it's weirdly interesting. From the Toclafane's perspectives, Utopia actually ended up becoming utopia. I mean at first it was this let down, they were hoping for an eternal paradise they were promised and instead they got their bodies chopped off and stuffed into these spheres to live out the rest of their bleak lives. It was pretty clear at that point that Utopia wasn't going to deliver. But then, it literally became a utopia when the master activated the paradox machine. Suddenly they can instantly transport from an old dying ugly universe to a newer beautiful universe teeming with life and resources theirs for the taking. It was everything they ever imagined and wanted. Utopia actually gave way to an actual utopia for them. But I guess I should say it never truly happened, so utopia ended up always sucking in the very end lol
“Doctor, if I told you the truth, your hearts would break.” Is NO ONE going to comment on that amazing line and expression on the Masters face as he says that? Even then, despite everything that’s happening, The Master still cares about the Doctor as the old friend he is by giving him the small mercy of concealing the truth about them. Because he knows, Should the Doctor discover the truth, He’d potentially snap and break. and become the New Master. Such a small, underrated, overlooked yet powerful moment.
Yea, sure. And then in the next episode, the Master finally reveals to the Doctor what the Toclafane are. Like dude, he just spared his old friend of the cruel truth, to tell it some moments later anyway. That's what I call a care. He didn't want to tell it publicly on cameras, live. He then explained privately. There was no care at all.
That ending shot of Martha slowly walking, standing in horror of the sheer massacre of the city, was so beautifully shot. I legit felt fear in that scene.
Childhood trauma: check Surprisingly close relationship with a protagonist: check Thinks he’s a god: check Loves to show off: check Can’t figure out how to stay dead: check Switches alignments like a revolving door: check I get it. Master is Loki.
Apart from the Deus Ex Machina, this is the kind of stuff I loved about Doctor Who. As as the Matt Smith era, I think he's a great actor but he was let down by the content, I always felt that Doctor Who became so immature and silly, the Doctor essentially acted like a buffoon, not like that wise old man we know him to be. I think series 8 has been a fantastic return to form, and I hope some of the darker aspects of the series aren't thrown out straight away; the darker moments were some of the best in the series, like when Rusty tells the Doctor that he is a good Dalek or when the Doctor starts smashing the Tardis console at the end of the finale: brilliant stuff!
For me, I could tell something was wrong with this story as soon as Last of the Time Lords came on. I knew then it would be a reset button job... and the Doctor Dobby/Christ thing just made it worse. *That being said* the fist two episodes (Utopia and The Sound of Drums) were truly sublime, and Simm... for all that he was crazier than past Masters... was actually playing the Master, as opposed to just some generic bonkers Moffat woman that some hack had decided to label as the Master.
Hey, each series/doctor kind of represents something new. Every Doctor has their own thing, they have a complete personality change and it helps broaden the audience.
Orlando Soto Leyton Gomez may very well have given a better and more unnerving performance as a villain. That's certainly open to debate... Just wasn't the Master.
The thing I liked about matt smith is just how silly he was but when things god serious you didn't know what would happen simply because he's so random and silly normally.
***** Nice joke. Seriously, though, at least Michelle Gomez' performance wasn't completely campy and she actually played the master, unlike Simm who just seemed to be a weirdly campy version of the Joker.
I've never realized the lyrics of the song "Yeah! Baby! Baby! You are my future! My future!" literally implied the Toclafane were the future of humanity, nice.
This singular scene was amazing. The imagery of the mangled TARDIS doing its work, and the sky literally ripping open, combined with the wild thrashing music, was utterly chilling. Reminded me of some good old 90s horror camp.
I’ve always felt sorry for it in this scene. You’ve gotta admit, though, it is pretty badass to see it pumping out at full power like this. I love this scene and come back to it every now and then.
I felt sorry for it, but I always got the feeling that even though it knew what it was doing was wrong, did it as best it could knowing that it would be the only way the doctor would win (eventually)
I’m really glad RTD knows the actual definition of decimation. We think of it as interchangeable with a word like “annihilate” or “exterminate,” but it is really a descriptive term of a loss of 10%
When the song starts, and it just cuts to the TARDIS, a machine that has been around with us for so long and has helped the Doctor through so much, been butchered and turned into a machine that kills
the master always has the raddest music. Vodoo Child, Scissor Sisters, Hey Mickey... They would've also made a great dj if they weren't so into world domination.
The great thing about the Maestro is that if he had the sound of a drum beat in his head, if he joined a musical band he would go perfectly to the beat.
I think what's absolutely terrifying about this episode (and in response disappointing about the following episode when everything is reset) is that not only did the Master win, he won by taking the core elements of what made the Doctor as the hero in the show so far, and violated them. Not only is the Doctor himself turned into a frail old man, but the Tardis is quite literally butchered and turned into essentially a weapon of War
Ahh man I remember this episode so vividly. 2007 when I was about 8 years old. Watching this ending and being generally sad that the doctor for the first time had lost. I know he has lost in the past in the classic series, however for me who grew up with doctor who from the 9th doctor onwards. This was the first time when it ended with the villain winning and the doctor left helpless and there being seemingly no hope.
I love how Lucy is just bopping along to the music as if her planet isn't literally being destroyed
Her head was full of Harry/the Master at that time, she didn't give two craps about any planet, the Master could easily erase half the solar system and she wouldn't move an eyebrow about it.
Very much a Joker/Harley Quinn pairing.
The master really loves music
stockholm syndrome is wild
To be fair, when dealing with a psychopathic mass-murderer, your best bet for survival is probably to play along until you get an opportunity to either take them out or escape.
I think at this point, the Doctor was starting to regret changing history by kicking Harriet Jones out of office early.
+James Aggas I think he must have regretted that decision so many times in the first four series
How did Harriet Jones leave office, I don't recall
the 10th doctor sabotaged her on xmas day
+James Aggas Apparently, The Master was originally going to bring her up to mock Ten, but the staff decided he'd suffered enough already.
TheInfernityZero I heard about that. And I really, really, REALLY wish Russell T Davies hadn't backed out on it. Because it was such a horrendous mistake for Ten to make, and it would have been truly great drama to see him learning to deal with the consequences of his actions. Bit of a missed opportunity there, really.
Props to the Master; he knows the actual definition of the word 'decimate'.
I know it from decimation in Roman empire. If the empire is failing every tent ( a group of 8 ) would pick straws and beat one man to death
doesn;t that mean fix?
edit: first i don't remember this second *' third shut up you dumbass it means kill 10% of something as punishment for the whole group
Calibur -Error-
Kill one in every ten of a group of people, as a punishment
@@zach8569 kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage or part of.
**Decimate**
"Dec" - Dec latin for Ten, you probably recognize it from the Measuring cup, as Deca is the measurement of 1/10. (metric system)
"imate" - is actually "ate" with some verbal fluff added to make it roll of the tongue- it is a latin suffix that has three meanings, but in this case it means; 'to make.'
So Decimate means, to make something a tenth less.
Simple Roman Math.
(And like most roman things, it involves the death of...let's say..."unnecessary parts.")
This is probably the only time the word decimate has been used correctly on television, bravo.
Well, Starz's Spartacus uses it correctly … in it's original usage no less
Decimate (verb:)
1.
kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of.
2.
HISTORICAL
kill one in every ten of (a group of people, originally a mutinous Roman legion) as a punishment for the whole group.
So no, you just don't understand that the word has two meanings or that word meanings shift over time
Clearly you didn't either seeing as you went and searched it up
To be fair, I do not see why not to enlarge its meaning. After all, it is useful to have a word for destruction which is not artificially targed to remove one-tenth of a group. Such extensions of meaning happen all the time. Journal: "late Middle English (originally denoting a book containing the appointed times of daily prayers): from Old French jurnal, from late Latin diurnalis (see diurnal)".
It usually is used correctly, just not in its initial usage. Yeah, I think there is something satisfying about it being one tenth (hence the "deci-", but I also know that meaning changes over time.
Never before has the words: Here comes the drums! Been used in a world invasion, say whatever you want about the Master, but he knows how to show off
+TheGodlikeDragon
He opened with the publicly televised murder of the US president and sealed the deal with the order to kill approx 700 million people.
And he thought it good.
Tenebrous76 The president was a control freak, so I do not mourn his death exactly
TheGodlikeDragon
I didn't say it was a bad thing. 😊
Tenebrous76 :D
Yep ;) Here Come The Drums!
say what you will, the master may be a murdering psycho but he's got style.
You may not like him, Doctor, but you can't deny... The Master's got style
Master is Loki
And sex appeal..
@@maddiewithnobrim especially this master specifically maybe Missy but mostly this doctor also what's the name of the song that plays
@@TheRuddster95 he has what every supervillain has. PERSENTATION
the concept of humanity’s descendants being tortured and confined to cyborgs and then going back in time to kill their ancestors because of the horrific fate that awaits them at the end of the universe and that it’s “fun” is one of the bleakest and scariest concepts put to script in television history. truly the most existential doctor who has gotten.
Ha Warhammer
@@beverlystevens955 i too love battlemace 69
@@nullproxy9639 GW is worse than Disney currently.
@@beverlystevens955 Yep. Quite poetic to see GW fall into the ruling style of the imperium of man
@@nullproxy9639 hell at least the imperium had the deceny to tell ya their fucking you in the ass. while GW hides behind false words.
Gotta love Lucy dancing in the background the whole time the song plays
Glad someone's having fun amongst this destruction.
Wanna play it when Wall Street finally crashes?
I could watch her dance for the whole song.
Damn cute
Honestly I think she’s kind of a bitch or at least really stupid to think that he actually cares about her she just naïve and power-hungry. Oh and her dancing sucks
I laugh whenever is see this because I just imagine one bloke with his finger over a play button for like 10 minutes waiting for the master to say here come the drums.
+Ben Francis And then he misses his cue :P
No I think he used his screwdriver to play it like he put in all the effort to make his screwdriver play the song and open the portal for the flair
hypnochonk he means the bloke on set that had to press play not the in universe lol
Sounds about right. The Master would have that guy sat there by the button during all the boring stuff, possibly hours knowing him, and the guy would be crying to press the dang button. Imagine the relief when the Master says, "Bring on the drums."
Like the guy in IT crowd with the profanity button
The paradox machine had nothing to do with the hole in the sky, description writer. The paradox machine is there simply to prevent the Toclofane from wiping themselves out by killing their ancestors.
So the tocalafane could have teleported into our dimension a lot early (before the red sky) and kill the humans however that would have ended up with them erasing themselves in the process?
@@thelasttimelord7550 well yes and no, as they wip[e themselves out then the curent humans would therefore come back to life etc thats why its a paradox
Sigh..
Timey wimey..wibbly wobbly....frickin time travel ...
Makes your head hurt
Yeah, but the Paradox Machine is shown activating when the sky opens, so it's clearly implied. I'd say it's both stopping the grandfather paradox and opening the rift.
I might be stupid in saying this but couldn't the paradox machine have allowed the paradox to rip open a whole in time or whatever to allow the toclafane through? But while also keeping the paradox form destroying everything? If I'm even making in any sense? Lol
He sounds so calm as he says “remove one tenth of the population” as if it is nothing to him.
Do Timelords actually care about other species or do they see them as less superior to their own? The doctor shows no real emotion on human beings ...
@@thelasttimelord7550 That's ridiculous. The Doctor has shown affection for humanity throughout the entire series. Why do you think he constantly travels with one. He's literally shitting himself as the Master wipes them out.
Other Time Lord's tend to at least consider humanity beneath them but it doesn't mean they don't care.
@@cameroncaws8506 the Master barely cares about his own species, he just flat out hates humans
@@Fridge_Fiend I wouldn't say, he hates them, he married Lucy, a human female, a mortal woman and loved her until she "betrayed" him.
He kinda views it like pest control like you got a new house but it has bed bugs
This moment is absolute gold. John Simm is simply outstanding in these episodes. I would love to see him officially regenerating.
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Well, we almost did now.
We shouldve in The Doctor Falls
I now put forward the idea of 'Day of the Master' Starring John Simm, Michelle Gomez and Derek Jacobi.
+Daniel Copeland OMG, YES!!! :D
John Simm would never do it again… But Derek and Michelle? THAT is something I'd see.
Wallapology 😂😂
Daniel Copeland well if anyone's seen the news....
That would be an awesome episode.
So earthlings, basically um, end of the world *HERE COMES... THE DRUMS!*
HERE COME THE DRUMS 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁
@@RSwizard101vids WHATS THE SONG THOUGH
@@themostbritishpersonalive868 Rough Traders - Voodoo Child
@@RSwizard101vids thanks
The Doctor: Basically... Run.
The Master: Basically... End of the World.
2007: Voodoo Child
2022: Rasputin
Edit: (I know this is more for the toymaker but you get the vibe) 2023: Spice Up Your Life
It took me so long to find Voodoo Child, because I kept looking for a song called here come the drums.
2014: Hey Mickey
Let's see the Masters listen to Voodoo Child I can't decide hey Mickey Rasputin also did you know that the War Master as in Derek Jacobi the one directly before this one we see him regenerating Utopia was the narrator in A Child show in real life Derek Jacobi was the narrator button Universe it was the master
And this works so much better as the master is a the top he won his plan is done
In power of the doctor it was a the endgame of his plan he haven’t won yet and it took may be in universe a hour or so for him to lose while back in sound of drum a whole year when by.
Oh, Missy, you’re so fine
You’re so fine you blow my mind
Hey Missy!
One of the best cliffhangers in the show’s history in my opinion. We’ve had cliffhangers of the Doctor being threatened by the Master, the Master about to win and even the Master being in danger but we never had the Master actually winning.
He’s tried so hard and waited for ages just to have one up on the Doctor and that kiss he blows at 1:07 followed by thrusting his arms into the air, you can’t help but feel a little satisfied along with him that things have finally went his way for once.
I think classic elitists like to rant on and on about John Simm’s Master but for me, he’s one of the top three, down from Delgado and tieing with Beevers for second.
I've been obsessed with this scene for the past half hour. Especially where Voodoo Child plays. The sky ripping is awesome!
Axons, Autons, Daleks, Toclafane and Cybermen, to name but a few of the powerful enemies he's used or allied with, no wonder they call him "The Master"!
Wait, the Master has teamed up with Daleks? Now iv'e heard everything.
Yes Andrew, In Frontier In Space
Oh.. I'm gonna go watch Frontier in Space on Netflix now.
TheDoctor64 And, more recently, in Dark Eyes 4
*** Spoiler warning***
The irony of this episode. Is that he's teaming up with humans
The master is cruel, and evil.
He plots to destroy earth, attacks the doctor, but the worst part is:
You like him!
Yes I do
Um, no. No I don't.
@@Anonymous-zd1ow villains are alwAys more entertaining the hero
You got me
The audience hates a bad villain, but _loves_ a good villain.
Still a better Prime Minister then David Cameron.
Edit from 5 years in the Future: I miss Cameron.
Also, feel free to substitue the PM in the comment with any Prime Minster after that point up to Early 2021. Probably beyond, but use your judgement on that one.
Edit in the Year 2023: Yep, Saxon STILL can't make things much worse. Yo Doctor, why'd you have to stop the Golden Age like that? Sure, Harriet Jones blew up a spaceship but this is much worse.
More competent too
Yes
I agree
+Kylestien Agreed and will never disagree
come to think of it, daleks are basically UKIP.
"She wasn't even the worst prime minister"
"Margaret Thatcher *sharp inhale*" - Tenth Doctor
321jharris
Retrospectively John Simm's Master is eerily prophetic of the rise of Nigel Farrage
haha
Mikari's I know!
"And he wasn't even the worst..."
Uh, how do you get worse than killing a billion people, taking over the world, and almost starting a universal war...?
Universal Genocide...
First strike to end them all, they'd never see it coming.
Imagine that's how 10 went out. Old age, fallen to the master.
2166397 G I disagree
That would've been amazing yet sad but amazing!!
That'd be probably too sad, I don't even wanna think about it
Then 11 shows up... The Master facing the raggedy doctor.
If only he knew...
The worst monster in the room wouldn't be Saxon.
Vote Saxon 2015
I will vote him as one of the best incarnation of the Master along with Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainley.
No... Not again!!! XD
Kerri Angel As Osgood said, "he wasn't even the worst". So why not. ;)
Kerri Angel Better than Cameron :P
Kerri Angel aint he dead?
One of the best times for doctor who, the best Doctor, the best Master, great side characters in Martha and Jack and a brilliant story. The rapport between Simm and Tennant is so good I could watch it forever.
Gotta say.
Pretty brutal, so bluntly and plainly commanding, ”remove one tenth of the population.”
And he ordered them all murdered for absolutely no reason, a truly insane psychopath.
@@mattb6369 or too sane to care
@@mattb6369 still not as bad as thanos. He removed 50% of life from the universe in a snap.
Imagine how powerful you'd feel giving that order. Like a god.
@@Grizzly_Adams. they did all come back, albeit 5 years later, so it wasn't that bad
From watching John Simm be the good guy in Life On Mars to this evil Master monster just shows how much of a versatile actor he is, and such a great one he is as well!
This is why the master will always be my favorite who villain
He is so epic. This is how I would take over the world.
If you were a time lord though cuz that is also how he did it
Well, Missy is my favorite but I mean.... How could she not be?
Yeah but still the master
Same here man the master is incredible
Can't believe this moment hasn't been uploaded until now. Easily my favourite moment from the entire Tennant era. So much epic.
I couldn't agree more. Except for maybe the moment in end of time, where Rasolon goes, "If we die, you go with us!!" And then Tenant is like, "I know." It just gives me chills.
He actually says you will die with me doctor
I love John Simm! My master! And David Tennant is my Doctor!!!
David Tennant in front of Sha Dawhan could be nice also
Missy and Capaldi for me...
Anyone watch BEFORE 2005? 🤷🏽
They should really let villains win more...
Yeah it was fun... You know when we thought that Martha didn't have a plan OH BUT SHE DID
I love this master because he is the greatest doctor who villain. He won. The doctor actually had to reverse time to make him un-win.
pious83 That's what was great about the first 4 series. Think about it. In series 1 the Daleks successfully destroyed the population of earth and were only stopped by Bad Wolf Rose. In series 2, the cybermen completely took over the whole earth, and the Daleks did as well. In series 3 this. In series 4, the Daleks took over earth again (sensing repetition 😂) but each finale felt big because of the big danger. Honestly, after series 4, nothing felt REALLY big or dangerous. Even with the new series, the cybermen don't feel too threatening. We all know the Doctor and two masters won't be taken out by cybermen :/
@@Gamelover254 I thought Series 5 also had a big cliffhanger with the whole universe being destroyed. It was Series 6 where the cliffhangers started to be rubbish
Cough, cough. Infinity War. Cough, cough.
Fun fact: Tim Roth was offered the role of The Master, seriously considered it but turned it down in the hope of one day landing the role of The Doctor. He watched this episode and regretted his decision.
Never knew that. I would bloody LOVE to see Roth play the Doctor. Probably never going to happen now, sadly. He'd have been my first choice for John Constantine at one point as well.
Man Tim Roth would’ve been fantastic! Though I’m still glad John Simm got the part in the end
Wait him?! I’ve been obsessed with the show Lie To Me, where Tim Roth plays Cal Lightman, the head of an American private firm that specialises in lie detection (but his character is still a Brit). I cannot imagine Cal Lightman being the Master but it would work so well! Shame on you Tim Roth for declining the role.
A lot of people don't like Simm's Master. They think he isn't enough like previous Masters. But they're forgetting something important: the Master NEVER regenerated in the classic series. Peter Pratt, Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainely, Gordon Tipple and Eric Roberts are all playing Roger Delgado's version of the Master (Pratt and Beevers are Delgado's decayed corpse, Ainely and Tipple are Delgado merged with Tremas, and Roberts is a Human possessed by the Master). So Simm is only the third incarnation of the Master to be seen on screen (Sir Derek Jacobi was the seconf, and we saw the 1st Master as a child AFTER Simm's debut), the 15th Master. Is it really that surprising
that he's so different?
I agree. I thoroughly prefer John Simm to Roger Delgado and to SPOILERS Michele Gomez(Missy).
I agree too. It's like saying that I don't like David Tennant's Doctor, because he isn't grumpy like the First Doctor... and guess what, nearly everyone loves the former Doctor!
Cryer24597 Actually, saying "the Master never regenerated in the classic series" is a statement of fact.
Saying he probably regenerated lots off screen is conjectural.
Doesn't properly explain why Derek Jacobi is much more intense and convincing villain than John Simm. I don't think Simm is a bad actor, but he was not right for the Master they wanted him to play. He was much better during the moments when he felt like the classic Master, while other times he was just over the top. Russel's idea of the Master as a Time Lord version of the Joker was incredibly wrong and felt even patronizing at times. It's like he made sure we won't forget that the Master is the villain by making him cackle insane laughter with insane look in his eyes all the time. It also doesn't help that there is not a single moment during the entirety of John Simm's run as the Master when I thought: This man is the Master.
Before people get confused, I only felt one or two moments like that for Michelle Gomez's Master too. She was far to similar with John Simm's Master and it didn't work at all. It takes away all the uniqueness in the Master and replaces it with over-the-top villainy and the two are, sadly, the two weakest Master's in the history of the show, in my opinion (because Eric Roberts at least had that "I always DRESS for the occasion!"-moment which wipes the floor with anything and everything done by the Master since, apart from Derek Jacobi's "I... am... the Master!").
If you like these two Masters, fine, good for you, but don't try to convince others to like them. We (I'm not sure who the we actually are, but anyway) don't dislike the new Masters because they are different, we dislike them because they are, as villains, generic and boring. Not rip-offs of anything, but they have nothing to make them even remotely original. They took away the fact that the Master was completely evil, but also subtle and dominating with a certain amount of dignity to him.
THAT BEING SAID this finale is still the second best of Russel's finales, in my opinion. It's one of the two which didn't make me groan and whine like Doomsday and The End of Time.
Or the boring, overlong drag that was The Journey's End, for me.
Veikko Elo You say you dislike the new masters because they are generic and boring. If anything, the old masters were generic. They were the stereotypical evil mastermind. Nothing original there.
I like all the Masters. I think Gomez does a brilliant job especially.
The master is the reason I always fall for the villains- thanks doctor who
Same here lol
Sames 😆
Lol I think it's because John Simm in real life seems like a real nice bloke, and even though his version of the Master was absolutely brilliant and he's an A+ actor I think you can always tell the the person playing The Master is a good bloke and he's just having fun being evil.
Same with Tom Hiddleston playing Loki lol.
same..xD
+fiona marsh Well that really fits with the Master then because he would ultimately be a good guy if it weren't for the Doctor.
I love John Simm's performance as the Master. He's so cheerfully evil...
Crazy, unpredictable, psychotic, but man has he got some style
The Master is an example of the best kind of villian, unpredictable, psychotic and has a type of swagger to them. Who ever said villains had to be serious and moody? It's not their personality that makes them the villian, it's their ambitions and how far they are willing to go to achieve them
This is still the best season of doctor who since the 2005 revival. Doesn't get much better than the lunatic villain defeating the fallen hero in utter humiliation, holding a dictatorship of the planet for an entire year and succeeding in the end of civilisation as we know it. Now these are stakes that you can fear and become engrossed in.
It's ironic too, because during the Russell T Davies run I consistently complained about poor to mediocre scripts on his part. I forgot that I overlooked some of his many gems. And this is one glimmering gem.
Totally agree season 3 of the reboot doctor who is the best season!!
Season 4 was one of the best as well.
I prefer season 4 but this is my second favourite
I loved this season as a kid and in hindsight I stand by my decision, what a fantastic build-up to a brilliant finale and arc. Also not to sound like a whiner but in hindsight the standard of quality has also changed. People loved to complain about Russel T Davies since he was showrunner for so long but now we can look back and really appreciate the narratives he made. He was amazing at building up to unique finale every time, even better than Moffat in my opinion. Because Russel builds it up throughout the entire season and often neatly wraps up character or narrative arcs. While Moffat's finales, while great, are usually self-contained and the build-up is very minimal in comparison. Season 3 was great at building up to the master and also tying back the Toclafane and all the set-up pay-off you could want.
Bruh this was when Doctor Who was at its peak with really well done writing and performance
It's not new that the master likes to listen to great music while carrying out his evil plans!
Why is it that like 90% of his best plans and moments always revolve around dancing to random music
Pairs well with the drums in his head. Sometimes to muffle so he can _think,_ sometimes to enhance so he can exult.
RASPUTIN
cuz he's cool like that
This song works so well with all the chaos that the master is doing. It’s just so clever
John Simm, IMHO the most deranged version of The Master, absolutely barking
g8ymw have you not seen missy
g8ymw The SECOND most deranged of them, second to Missy. It's like the drums got really annoying when he was resurrected by the Time Lords to fight in the Last Great Time War.
Have you guys not seen what he becomes in the End of Time?
'DINNER TIME!'
Aidan Stead Russel T Davies practically put him on crack.
@@sheliathepowertumbler5825 Yes and I didn't rekon much to her
Really miss John Simm's Master. I thought he was perfect for the role. He really showed off how insane the Master is
I thought he made a nice twist on the role. Obviously Delgado made a brilliant Master but just like the Doctor, all the regenerations have to have their own levels of insanity and traits. I wish they got to explore the character more though. 4 episodes was nowhere near enough
Hi I'm from the future 🔮 John simm returns as the master in 2017
Yesterday's scene with the Master reminded me of this
Same, he loves a musical number lol
I still can't hear Voodoo Child without thinking about John Simm.
I can't hear the Lion Sleeps Tonight without hearing Cyber Conversion
Right?
"I'm coming ba..."
*Toclafane incinerates her*
She was wearing the perception filter key which means none of them noticed her
I know. I just thought it would be funny
I always thought they didn't attack her because she was 'sweet, kind Martha Jones' who helped them.
We saw when Toclafane demanded to know why Tom was out that they didn’t see Martha next to him because of the perception filter
I heard at the time that, it had something to do with timelords. Like they were timelords or something
Taken as a whole, this is a reminder about the proper use of the word 'decimate'.
Vote Saxon for UK Prime Minister 2016!
I would vote for him... maybe someone out of the tenth of the population will be Trump
Still better than trump
XD
2:02 I get goosebumps every time when you hear all those news broadcasts of despair as the broadcasters cry out for help all while you can hear the screams of everyone being slaughtered around them. On top of that the music with everyone’s faces stunned with hopelessness. What a powerful scene.
I LOVED this episode, ESPECIALLY the song Here Comes The Drums...Absolutely BRILLIANT, ACE, GENIUS, SERIES.......👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The songs called voodoo child
+Oliver Shepherd By Rogue Traders
Keren Chadwick o
In a strange way I love Saxon and Lucy together
i think it's cute that the Master had a companion of his own :)
Me too. His own little Martha Jones.
I know right! I don’t even know her name but I loved seeing her,
Yea... until the next episode.
I love this scene, the acting, the music and the effects (by 2007 standards) are all great. But there's just one thing... the set wall wobbles at 0:46 when The Master runs into it and now I can never unsee it!
now I see it, too, damn
Still a better prime minister than Liz Truss
And he lasted longer as well.
We want Harriet Jones!!!
He was actually a competent PM before all the genocide stuff so yeah
😂
I love it when after The Master says "here comes the drums" and then that music starts...it makes me want to dance!!!! Lol
The master's playlist:
Here Come the Drums
Ra Ra Rasputin
(The toymaker then took possession of the playlist, along with the master's soul)
Spice Up Your Life
💙
I also came here from the Giggle haha
Where's the love for I can't decide by the sisscor sisters?
One of the best episodes and finales.
John Simm's master will always be my favourite
David an John were the best rivals for the Doctor and the masters role, both played them perfectly
You know it's weirdly interesting. From the Toclafane's perspectives, Utopia actually ended up becoming utopia. I mean at first it was this let down, they were hoping for an eternal paradise they were promised and instead they got their bodies chopped off and stuffed into these spheres to live out the rest of their bleak lives. It was pretty clear at that point that Utopia wasn't going to deliver.
But then, it literally became a utopia when the master activated the paradox machine. Suddenly they can instantly transport from an old dying ugly universe to a newer beautiful universe teeming with life and resources theirs for the taking. It was everything they ever imagined and wanted. Utopia actually gave way to an actual utopia for them.
But I guess I should say it never truly happened, so utopia ended up always sucking in the very end lol
“Doctor, if I told you the truth, your hearts would break.”
Is NO ONE going to comment on that amazing line and expression on the Masters face as he says that?
Even then, despite everything that’s happening, The Master still cares about the Doctor as the old friend he is by giving him the small mercy of concealing the truth about them.
Because he knows, Should the Doctor discover the truth, He’d potentially snap and break.
and become the New Master.
Such a small, underrated, overlooked yet powerful moment.
Yea, sure. And then in the next episode, the Master finally reveals to the Doctor what the Toclafane are. Like dude, he just spared his old friend of the cruel truth, to tell it some moments later anyway. That's what I call a care. He didn't want to tell it publicly on cameras, live. He then explained privately. There was no care at all.
@@Croftice1 LOL, people be making shit up
The fact that the song is actually playing makes it 100x better. Such a John Simms Master thing to do
Saxon Master
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991The Prime Master.
You gotta admit this is the most rocking version of the apocalypse.
That ending shot of Martha slowly walking, standing in horror of the sheer massacre of the city, was so beautifully shot. I legit felt fear in that scene.
The Master: Orders a larger genocide than Mao, Hitler and Stalin combined
The Doctor: I forgive you
Except they undid all of the killings, except for President Winters, and that journalist woman.
@@ripleyjlawman.3162 Still did so in an alternate timeline he and everybody aboard the Valiant was part of and remembered, so my point still stands
Even though time was changed to just before he ordered the invasion, the invasion STILL happened
@@redjirachi1 no it doesn't still stand
@@coultergill7728 yes it does
This is one of my favorite scenes from the last few years of Dr Who and I'm glad it was selected to be its own video in this channel!!
Childhood trauma: check
Surprisingly close relationship with a protagonist: check
Thinks he’s a god: check
Loves to show off: check
Can’t figure out how to stay dead: check
Switches alignments like a revolving door: check
I get it. Master is Loki.
Apart from the Deus Ex Machina, this is the kind of stuff I loved about Doctor Who. As as the Matt Smith era, I think he's a great actor but he was let down by the content, I always felt that Doctor Who became so immature and silly, the Doctor essentially acted like a buffoon, not like that wise old man we know him to be. I think series 8 has been a fantastic return to form, and I hope some of the darker aspects of the series aren't thrown out straight away; the darker moments were some of the best in the series, like when Rusty tells the Doctor that he is a good Dalek or when the Doctor starts smashing the Tardis console at the end of the finale: brilliant stuff!
Agreed.
For me, I could tell something was wrong with this story as soon as Last of the Time Lords came on. I knew then it would be a reset button job... and the Doctor Dobby/Christ thing just made it worse.
*That being said* the fist two episodes (Utopia and The Sound of Drums) were truly sublime, and Simm... for all that he was crazier than past Masters... was actually playing the Master, as opposed to just some generic bonkers Moffat woman that some hack had decided to label as the Master.
Hey, each series/doctor kind of represents something new. Every Doctor has their own thing, they have a complete personality change and it helps broaden the audience.
Orlando Soto Leyton Gomez may very well have given a better and more unnerving performance as a villain. That's certainly open to debate... Just wasn't the Master.
The thing I liked about matt smith is just how silly he was but when things god serious you didn't know what would happen simply because he's so random and silly normally.
I would say John Simm is the best Master, when he returned in series 10 I screamed like a fangirl
Anyone else think John Simm would be a perfect Joker?
God, no...
***** Nice joke. Seriously, though, at least Michelle Gomez' performance wasn't completely campy and she actually played the master, unlike Simm who just seemed to be a weirdly campy version of the Joker.
Robert Lythgoe
Simm's Master got a much better story though.
***** Not for me. Sound Of Drums was great but Last Of The Time Lords was an insult.
ZantofDarkness 👍all for it.
I think this is where the most people have died in one episode of doctor who.
+champdude17 A quarter of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE got junked in Logopolis.
Two races were almost entirely obliterated in Day of The Doctor.
quarter of universe>2 races (almost) destroyed
But...They are revived again in part two.
The whole universe was destroyed in the Big Bang 2
I've never realized the lyrics of the song "Yeah! Baby! Baby! You are my future! My future!" literally implied the Toclafane were the future of humanity, nice.
This singular scene was amazing. The imagery of the mangled TARDIS doing its work, and the sky literally ripping open, combined with the wild thrashing music, was utterly chilling. Reminded me of some good old 90s horror camp.
Moments like this show us how far the show has fallen in the last three years. I miss the real Doctor Who.
Modern DW seems too scared to have stories that affect the world its in.
@@LeandraF109 because the show is in constant flux
Was just thinking that
It’s a shame, I was really excited for Jodie’s run, but the episode stories were so weak it totally put me off.
Season 13 and the begining of the season 12 was good. The Season 11 was hot garbage tho.
Arguably the best Doctor Who arc
Does anyone else feel really sorry for the TARDIS in this clip and episode?
No? Just me? Okay then.
I could hear the TARDIS screaming out for help when the paradox machine activated
I’ve always felt sorry for it in this scene. You’ve gotta admit, though, it is pretty badass to see it pumping out at full power like this. I love this scene and come back to it every now and then.
That 2 frame scene of the Tardis gets me all tense inside
I felt sorry for it, but I always got the feeling that even though it knew what it was doing was wrong, did it as best it could knowing that it would be the only way the doctor would win (eventually)
God Martha was truly underrated. She saved the Doctor much more often than he saved her.
Kind of like she was a doctor in training 🌝
I miss John Simm as the Master.
0:36 It's so damn ridiculous and I love it
I love when he looks through the circular window porthole thing and just strip dances almost it's so lovely
I just loved that the Master used the word decimate correctly.
And the crazy part? Davies had no idea about it
This season finale was so destructive yet perfect, and I loved The Master in this!
The Master's megalomaniacal attitude in this episode arc is just beautiful, and Simm just brings it all home with that beautiful acting.
10 years later and this scene still scares the schmeckles out of me! Especially when you hear the news anchors freaking out.
Rip doctor who 1963-2017
I’m really glad RTD knows the actual definition of decimation. We think of it as interchangeable with a word like “annihilate” or “exterminate,” but it is really a descriptive term of a loss of 10%
I love the trio of those episodes. Amazing story. Especially the music.
When the song starts, and it just cuts to the TARDIS, a machine that has been around with us for so long and has helped the Doctor through so much, been butchered and turned into a machine that kills
the master always has the raddest music. Vodoo Child, Scissor Sisters, Hey Mickey... They would've also made a great dj if they weren't so into world domination.
The great thing about the Maestro is that if he had the sound of a drum beat in his head, if he joined a musical band he would go perfectly to the beat.
To think this could be an accurate prediction of autonomous drone warfare
This instance of the master and lucy make such a great duo, might be my best duo of a timelord and a human after 12th and clara
The best master verse the best doctor, this will always be iconic.
1:23 sudden Star Wars.
I think what's absolutely terrifying about this episode (and in response disappointing about the following episode when everything is reset) is that not only did the Master win, he won by taking the core elements of what made the Doctor as the hero in the show so far, and violated them. Not only is the Doctor himself turned into a frail old man, but the Tardis is quite literally butchered and turned into essentially a weapon of War
Such a great story arc, and John Simms was amazing. I really think this was "peak Dr Who"
😂 ok
No, is the Fourth Doctor era.
all of RTD’s era was peak Doctor Who
@@redcr33perproductions No, is the Fourth Doctor era.
@@mayotango1317 I disagree since I haven’t had a chance to see classic who until it hits BBC IPlayer but to each their own
The Master's excess drama is what I aspire to in life
Ahh man I remember this episode so vividly. 2007 when I was about 8 years old. Watching this ending and being generally sad that the doctor for the first time had lost. I know he has lost in the past in the classic series, however for me who grew up with doctor who from the 9th doctor onwards. This was the first time when it ended with the villain winning and the doctor left helpless and there being seemingly no hope.
"HERE COME THE DRUMS!
"Here come the drums! Here come the drums!"
*voodoo child starts playing*
Me: ok this is officially my favourite episode
I don't know whether to be cheesed out or scream "HELL YEAH!" when he shouted here come the drums.
I love this actor he was awesome as the Master !!
Yeah John Simm was incredible.
One of my favourite episodes. This was basically the "Infinity War" episode before "Endgame".