Its because the malefic gun that increase range attacks made Layla or Hanabi efffective their basic attack more output Valir attacks were slow as hell even cc effects doesnt have one unless stay hit skill 1 but everyone can escape that
honestly zhuxin seems like the better valir cc wise, while yve is a better valir at range. Without a utility jungler meta valir is tough to use, especially against assassins dominating the jungle category. also unlike yve or zhuxin valir gets countered by lolita.
zhuxin is top tier, the must pick/ban mage. all mid laners main should know how to play zhuxin. she's just soooo annoying and the sustain is very good (esp combo with common emblem + brave smite).
Sure, Valir is low tier Mage for now, placed at the bottom together with Lylia. Unlike fully revamped Aurora for example, S Tier Mage. Amazing revamp by Moonton.
@@No.1_Flaptzy_hater what? Many Eudora match Ive encounter is winning, he can solo kill your Jungler, Mage and MM bro. Many Dora player is Soo good. Dora can stun lock kill Lylia before she can ult to run. When play assasin and tank i always lock Dora for sure, she is a menace in the hand of experienced player.
Yeah he's more to support type with anti heal and semi tank build ..he's so annoying..but if u want more kill this hero is not suitable because the damage is not that good
As a joy user when I see varir I rushed there to kill him for my team and 90% times I succeeded and other 10 % when I killed by his edura type teammates 😢
I main Valir and he really can't compete with other mages in the meta, especially with those who have high burst or movement speed. His first skill's cd is a pain when clearing minions cause it drains the skill that when there is a clash, you aren't really prepared and have to wait to replenish it. But he is annoying to deal with, as long as you have enough range that you aren't able to take damage but far away to deal damage with his first skill. And with the addition of Sky Piercer, his passive+lethal ignition can finish enemies who are low in health. Hoping that his first skill can pierce through minions or bring back his old 1st skill on where he restores 1 fireball per hit
1. The current "mobility" meta doesnt fit for valir 2. His mana usage is so uhhhhhhh 3. Somehow the first version of revamped valir seems better, with bi cd stun passive. Today's version seems have no "deal breaker" compared to another cc mage like aurora
@@hokwang264just saying, valir do have hp based passive, and wishing lantern is a good pair for him. Its not the end for him just yet. Player skill matter more here
@@KinDiedYesterday Main problem Vailr is attacks were too slow . Nowdays mm have own item core malefic gun suitable with Layla or Hanabi more effective output basic attacks , Vailr will dies before he catch them Plus not only defense item received buffs also talents too were suitable to assassin , mm , fighter and tank that able abuse with items . Thats why Vailr and Kadita will be outdates
Valir had 1 advantage. Range. He got competition from other long-range heroes, which mostly were mages. But it all got taken away the moment they dropped ultra long-range marksmen. Most marksmen never needed range because they had high attack speeds or high damage or both. But with the rise of hyper mobile assassins (Nolan), super tanky damage reflecting tanks, and some fighters with one or both of these (Dyrroth, Lukas, Arlott), that was not enough (since even some tanks were bursting them down). So the devs decided to open pandora's box and give marksmen the one thing they need to lay waste. Range. And now most marksmen easily outrange mages, specifically Layla, Clint, and Lesley who outrange all mages. The result is that mages with adequate range and slow damage don't really have a place in the meta anymore. Other longer range mages (Cecilion, Aurora, Zhuxin) are also not doing them any favors. And they only reason Pharsa and Chang'e are not part of this meta is that they either don't have mobility, or CC, or burst damage. Let's be honest, in a meta where Lunox jungle and Selena roam is viable, do we really expect any other mage to have a chance?
The meta is becoming more and more chaotic as time passes by, but somehow is still able to compensate. 3 years ago, i would have reported someone doing Saber roam. Now, it's considered better than Saber jungle. Fighters are getting tankier and tankier, with more and more damage. I mean what is Lukas?? We already have a dog. Why does an assassin have damage reduction (Suyou)? Heroes with simpler mechanics (Eudora, Zilong, Alucard, Argus) are having the hardest time now and they can't really keep up, even with weird item adjustments (Rose Gold Meteor). And then we have heroes that desperately need a revamp (Rafaela, Kaja, Natalia, Karrie). But Moonton still chooses to revamp Granger.
He get easily countered by high mobility heroes. Even if you play him as a roamer, there's a lot more better option than him. He's only viable if the enemy pick a lot of tanky heroes in their lineup, which is rare nowadays considering the Tank META is going down.
tbf, valir just need a buff on his first skill, despite of making it only available for 2 stacks, make it 4 like luo yi's. currently he's strong enough to stop the fighters, but weak to agile assassins and long range artillery mage/marksman, but tanky valir is also a viable option. put aside his mobility, I personally think his role is not really suit to be midlaner despite of his AOE kit, he clears minion really slow compared to other mages (don't count eudora since she has burst capability). while valir is a DOT mage, at least buff his burn damage from passive to ignore the shield on enemies and deal damage directly to the enemy HP, and the glowing proc or any other item still need to go through the shield.
this could be experimental but why don't moonton try to put "Fighter" role in valir's role? I really meant this since he could shine if he's able to use Thunderbelt, War Axe to come in handy through his passive, and make him tanky enough. we can also add some movement speed buff passive on his 1st skill, considereng new released heroes always have that extra passive kit built on their skills.
He need total revamp, if they can do it with Granger why not with Valir? And Both have a lot of skins. They can finish this before KOF skins sale for sure. KOF in April if i'm not wrong.
@@WyrexMan i mean valir is already annoying with his slow effects, but true in current meta he falls off. I only pick him when I have to counter like minisithar to push him away from his ult and any tank that ain't cc immune during casting skills.
I sometimes use him (depending on the enemy lineup). I think moonton needs to buff his 1st skill: 1. It’s recharge duration when hitting jungle creeps (when using him as a roamer) since valir is more of a roamer mage than a midlane mage 2. Give him more than 2 stacks of his 1st skill. I think 4 or 5 stacks is enough
Yup, but as a Support Mage. Tough Boots, Enchanted Talisman, Ice Queen Wand, Glowing Wand, Brute Force plate, Queens Wings. Fighter emblem with Inspire, Festival of Blood, and Focusing Mark.
They should add more to his Ultimate. Like having a new BURST SKILL after successfully unleashing the 4 fireballs (like a requirement; i.e Wanwan's ult) in order to finish enemies. Take note most of the time players cannot completely consume the 4 upgrades after his Ultimate. So this might force them to use it wisely, which rewards them with this new burst damage when unlocked. Just a suggestion, they might consider bringing his old ultimate back for this. A single knock up burst damage might help. I mainly used him last season due to tanks/fighters and he lacks burst damage.
Hell yeah I still use valir out of all the mages he remains my highest used. Though he's not a meta mage he's certainly very annoying if left unchecked especially the late game.
They should make his 1st and 2nd skill upgraded when reaching a certain stacks NOT when using the ultimate. Just like Lylia now, her ultimate is now survival skill, unlike Valir, his skills mainly relies on ultimate not for saving himself
@@ShubhamLamichhane-cg8sybasically called skill issue. Once I know Valir used all his skill I can melt him down with Terizla. Talking as former Valir and Terizla main.
@@rule66ofc i reckon i am just a average player but u think a valir is a fighter that will stand close glowing wand and the slowing wand(forgot the name) and after ward all defence iteam was the valir i dealt. even if he were to somehow use all skill and waste skill1 highly unikely he can get skill 2 when he is all def and i doubt u ever played valir
If they adjust 2nd skill of Valir makes more quicker to move and added more range just like Harith they Buff it, i think it will added more players to play him more and likeable to encounter such as Assassins and Tanks to engage.
After they nerfed the first skill reset on creeps he is way more risky and annoying to play. Where you need to manage mana, cd, and clearing the minions. And he kinda needs a reworm atm because damn malefic gun just punished him too hard.
I play him when the mid laner is not that op for example, eudora, and also when the enemy has tanky heroes like hylos. He is still one of my most fav mages, miss the old valir tho
But yeah, he's a conditional hero for enemy with slow/tanky composition like terizla in exp or alpha jungle. Also a teammate that can capitalize his slow support
He's just not enough with the current meta having high mobility. He needs revamp in order for him to compete against the current meta. 1st skill should make like Yve's first skill for better poking. 2nd skill should work like how they reworked balmonds ult, they moved the skill hit area a little behind balmond. 3rd skill should explode and knockback the enemies around valir a little, then remove the limitations of only 4 enhanced skill. I think with this set up, valir can compete with the current meta.
I still use him, key of using him is need a good cover and tag to other hero cc like alpha, he is meant to create chaos while war and he is dominating before lv 4 easiest to first blood
There are heroes with better skill sets that do the same thing he does. Zhuxin for cc and yve for slow. I think they need to change his first skill. Instead of firing it forward maybe make it drop from above like Yve's first skill. One of the things i hate about him is that during team fights he can only deal damage to those in the front line so its hard for him to deal damage to thise in the back line. And his range is not that great so mm with malefic gun can easily reach and kill him. Zhuxin and Yve doesnt have this problem coz there skills can reach the backline without any problem. So yeah i suggest they rework his first skill and make it similar to Yve's first skill just so he can have a way to reach the enemy backline.
I feel like a semi tank Valir is better for the current meta. Ice queen + Glowing wand, the rest are tank items. His wave clear is kinda meh but he makes excellent second support.
Hear me out: What if his ultimate, instead of only enhancing 4 of his skills for few seconds, he will have unlimited enhanced skills during his ult state?
What if they revamp him and change his ult to like the old Vexans ultimate, where in you put a curse and deals dmeg and the itnwill inflict continuous dmge for 8 seconds.. he has great control on his 2nd to push away enemy then 1st then ult.. thats a gret way to kil enemy core ore squishy marksman...
if only hes 1st skill second phase could explode faster all heroes can escape it even if you build the useless ive queen wand edit and if he 1st skill would not explode if it hit minions only heroes and jungle creeps that would make him playable again
i play him sometimes as roamer and sometimes pure mage which is annoying enough for dash heroes idk about the heroes who have blink skills like gusion and ngl when you play hero who don't have built in dash or blink skills he will be annoying
i love using him against fighters and tanks. he's really annoying to deal with and it's really difficult to go near, especially with ice queen and glowing wand
the problem with the Many Valir users is all out mage like pure damage ,, i prefer semi tank build thats why some pro Valir user want him to be Roam more than a Mage , the Problem with the valir Roam is long cd First skill cant helm much clearing the jungle and so soft in early., Many Valir Main users knows whats the best counter of Valir its the Creeps/minion,, mobility enemy hero is hell bcos of easy to dodge first skill but the most counter of valir is the Creeps/Minion blocking the first skill even ur not a mobilty type enemy hero u can just counter Valir using a creep/minion just stay beside them and Wallaa!!! ur safe and no damage, hitting firs skill on minion/creeps doesnt reset ur first skill btw
Man i cant really use Valir noe because of meta i always use him at s32 to s33 he's my main now i dont wanna even use him I now use Vale,Yve and Pharsa because they are good in early to mid game since they had good damage and good wave clearings
I've tried to play him and my problem mean he has longer Cooldown compared to xavier i use to compare with xavier cuz their porpuse is similar, a mage who can to spam his skills poking de enemy giving cc to alies but Xavier with his pasive smaller CD but valir's first skill is too long even usin temporal regin(my English is not good but i hope you can understand me)
when i play mage, i really dont wish to face against valir. Not OP but a balance hero, very annoying to deal it. specially when i pick rafaela roam, not sure if rafaela completely counters valir slow. effect.
I think this is because Zhuxin, Yve, Aurora and Vex zones better than him in terms of sustained zoning. Also a poor FLEX on roam since he can't keep up with the insane playmaking of Mathilda, Tig, Gatot, Chou and even Grock and Mino
Bruh I'm a Valir main That's my daily mage Sure there's lots of better mages to pick But Valir ain't that bad pick when you need some control Especially when you don't want enemies to be near you at war
Valir lacks instant CC. Even Vale with 45% CDr can be so annoying than Valir. Yve, Aurora and Zhuxin still beat Valir when it comes to utility and zoning capabilities.
I think it's because nobody can utilize valir properly most valirs i've seen fail to time his skills right As for the meta he is situational +a good valir can be annoying to deal with even if the oponent has a long ranged damage dealer
Valir is good, the meta just doesn't support him, Layla, Cecilion and many assassins can finish him off before he can attack 😢
Its because the malefic gun that increase range attacks made Layla or Hanabi efffective their basic attack more output
Valir attacks were slow as hell even cc effects doesnt have one unless stay hit skill 1 but everyone can escape that
Poke damage is death, in this fast high burst meta.
If you buy clock of destiny first saber can't kill him
honestly zhuxin seems like the better valir cc wise, while yve is a better valir at range. Without a utility jungler meta valir is tough to use, especially against assassins dominating the jungle category.
also unlike yve or zhuxin valir gets countered by lolita.
zhuxin is top tier, the must pick/ban mage. all mid laners main should know how to play zhuxin. she's just soooo annoying and the sustain is very good (esp combo with common emblem + brave smite).
zhuxin should be nerfed like valentina's terrify
Sure, Valir is low tier Mage for now, placed at the bottom together with Lylia. Unlike fully revamped Aurora for example, S Tier Mage. Amazing revamp by Moonton.
@@WyrexMan Dude Lylia is a decent mage rn, no way is she low tier. If you want an actual low tier mage, there's Eudora
@@No.1_Flaptzy_hater what? Many Eudora match Ive encounter is winning, he can solo kill your Jungler, Mage and MM bro.
Many Dora player is Soo good. Dora can stun lock kill Lylia before she can ult to run.
When play assasin and tank i always lock Dora for sure, she is a menace in the hand of experienced player.
Valir is not OP but he's annoying to deal with.
As someone who plays a lot of fighter heroes, yes I agree. 9 out of 10 times I won't chase Valir no matter what.
Yeah he's more to support type with anti heal and semi tank build ..he's so annoying..but if u want more kill this hero is not suitable because the damage is not that good
Especially when ur team is a bunch of melee
As a joy user when I see varir I rushed there to kill him for my team and 90% times I succeeded and other 10 % when I killed by his edura type teammates 😢
I can be both haha
I main Valir and he really can't compete with other mages in the meta, especially with those who have high burst or movement speed. His first skill's cd is a pain when clearing minions cause it drains the skill that when there is a clash, you aren't really prepared and have to wait to replenish it. But he is annoying to deal with, as long as you have enough range that you aren't able to take damage but far away to deal damage with his first skill. And with the addition of Sky Piercer, his passive+lethal ignition can finish enemies who are low in health. Hoping that his first skill can pierce through minions or bring back his old 1st skill on where he restores 1 fireball per hit
Hope Moonton fully revamp him. 🎉🎉🎉
1. The current "mobility" meta doesnt fit for valir
2. His mana usage is so uhhhhhhh
3. Somehow the first version of revamped valir seems better, with bi cd stun passive. Today's version seems have no "deal breaker" compared to another cc mage like aurora
Dont forget next updates were tanks or fighter era , Vailr and Kadita will become outdate due defense items buffed
You good? Bc valir is made to counter tanks so its actually a good thing for him @@hokwang264
@@hokwang264my Kadita is built with Adaptive Attack Items and a bit Tanky. Can heal 6k with bubble. 🥳
I'll be happy to go head on with Fighter Era.
@@hokwang264just saying, valir do have hp based passive, and wishing lantern is a good pair for him. Its not the end for him just yet. Player skill matter more here
@@KinDiedYesterday Main problem Vailr is attacks were too slow . Nowdays mm have own item core malefic gun suitable with Layla or Hanabi more effective output basic attacks , Vailr will dies before he catch them
Plus not only defense item received buffs also talents too were suitable to assassin , mm , fighter and tank that able abuse with items . Thats why Vailr and Kadita will be outdates
Valir had 1 advantage. Range. He got competition from other long-range heroes, which mostly were mages. But it all got taken away the moment they dropped ultra long-range marksmen. Most marksmen never needed range because they had high attack speeds or high damage or both. But with the rise of hyper mobile assassins (Nolan), super tanky damage reflecting tanks, and some fighters with one or both of these (Dyrroth, Lukas, Arlott), that was not enough (since even some tanks were bursting them down). So the devs decided to open pandora's box and give marksmen the one thing they need to lay waste. Range. And now most marksmen easily outrange mages, specifically Layla, Clint, and Lesley who outrange all mages. The result is that mages with adequate range and slow damage don't really have a place in the meta anymore. Other longer range mages (Cecilion, Aurora, Zhuxin) are also not doing them any favors. And they only reason Pharsa and Chang'e are not part of this meta is that they either don't have mobility, or CC, or burst damage. Let's be honest, in a meta where Lunox jungle and Selena roam is viable, do we really expect any other mage to have a chance?
The meta is becoming more and more chaotic as time passes by, but somehow is still able to compensate. 3 years ago, i would have reported someone doing Saber roam. Now, it's considered better than Saber jungle. Fighters are getting tankier and tankier, with more and more damage. I mean what is Lukas?? We already have a dog. Why does an assassin have damage reduction (Suyou)? Heroes with simpler mechanics (Eudora, Zilong, Alucard, Argus) are having the hardest time now and they can't really keep up, even with weird item adjustments (Rose Gold Meteor). And then we have heroes that desperately need a revamp (Rafaela, Kaja, Natalia, Karrie). But Moonton still chooses to revamp Granger.
3:08 Poor Aurora. Valir let her die of fire 😂
He get easily countered by high mobility heroes. Even if you play him as a roamer, there's a lot more better option than him. He's only viable if the enemy pick a lot of tanky heroes in their lineup, which is rare nowadays considering the Tank META is going down.
tbf, valir just need a buff on his first skill, despite of making it only available for 2 stacks, make it 4 like luo yi's.
currently he's strong enough to stop the fighters, but weak to agile assassins and long range artillery mage/marksman, but tanky valir is also a viable option. put aside his mobility, I personally think his role is not really suit to be midlaner despite of his AOE kit, he clears minion really slow compared to other mages (don't count eudora since she has burst capability).
while valir is a DOT mage, at least buff his burn damage from passive to ignore the shield on enemies and deal damage directly to the enemy HP, and the glowing proc or any other item still need to go through the shield.
this could be experimental but why don't moonton try to put "Fighter" role in valir's role? I really meant this since he could shine if he's able to use Thunderbelt, War Axe to come in handy through his passive, and make him tanky enough. we can also add some movement speed buff passive on his 1st skill, considereng new released heroes always have that extra passive kit built on their skills.
@@a.karisna5025i mean no, why fighter role when fighters usually need to be close to do dmg it would be unfair for them 😂
He need total revamp, if they can do it with Granger why not with Valir? And Both have a lot of skins. They can finish this before KOF skins sale for sure. KOF in April if i'm not wrong.
@@WyrexMan well idk about second generation of kof.
@@WyrexMan i mean valir is already annoying with his slow effects, but true in current meta he falls off. I only pick him when I have to counter like minisithar to push him away from his ult and any tank that ain't cc immune during casting skills.
I do, but as a roamer, not as a midlaner anymor.
@@dhikanaufal8026 yassss better as roamer
Omg !!! Period! Same here hahaha I also use vale as roam and he does pretty decent
With the new focusing mark he's gonna be good as a roam. I just wish they buff his skill speed like clint
I sometimes use him (depending on the enemy lineup). I think moonton needs to buff his 1st skill:
1. It’s recharge duration when hitting jungle creeps (when using him as a roamer) since valir is more of a roamer mage than a midlane mage
2. Give him more than 2 stacks of his 1st skill. I think 4 or 5 stacks is enough
I think his first skill interval need to be shortened and the projectile speed need to be increased
Because Valir is so easily eating by Dmg Assassins and dash skilled heroes
I do play him especially when the enemy has gatot, hylos and Hilda
Yup, but as a Support Mage.
Tough Boots, Enchanted Talisman, Ice Queen Wand, Glowing Wand, Brute Force plate, Queens Wings.
Fighter emblem with Inspire, Festival of Blood, and Focusing Mark.
I always play him when going against an extremely sustain hero or a hero I don't want close to me
They should add more to his Ultimate. Like having a new BURST SKILL after successfully unleashing the 4 fireballs (like a requirement; i.e Wanwan's ult) in order to finish enemies. Take note most of the time players cannot completely consume the 4 upgrades after his Ultimate. So this might force them to use it wisely, which rewards them with this new burst damage when unlocked. Just a suggestion, they might consider bringing his old ultimate back for this. A single knock up burst damage might help.
I mainly used him last season due to tanks/fighters and he lacks burst damage.
Hell yeah I still use valir out of all the mages he remains my highest used. Though he's not a meta mage he's certainly very annoying if left unchecked especially the late game.
Very impressive gameplay 1:48 was an awesome play. Dope 😎 content 👍🏾.
They should make his 1st and 2nd skill upgraded when reaching a certain stacks NOT when using the ultimate. Just like Lylia now, her ultimate is now survival skill, unlike Valir, his skills mainly relies on ultimate not for saving himself
He need buff, I think skill 1 won't be blocked by Minions
Ever played terizla against valir i want him deleted from the game
@@ShubhamLamichhane-cg8sybasically called skill issue. Once I know Valir used all his skill I can melt him down with Terizla. Talking as former Valir and Terizla main.
@@rule66ofc i reckon i am just a average player but u think a valir is a fighter that will stand close glowing wand and the slowing wand(forgot the name) and after ward all defence iteam was the valir i dealt. even if he were to somehow use all skill and waste skill1 highly unikely he can get skill 2 when he is all def and i doubt u ever played valir
U play terizla and u still whine? How bad are you? Just buy radiant armor@@ShubhamLamichhane-cg8sy
If they adjust 2nd skill of Valir makes more quicker to move and added more range just like Harith they Buff it, i think it will added more players to play him more and likeable to encounter such as Assassins and Tanks to engage.
After they nerfed the first skill reset on creeps he is way more risky and annoying to play.
Where you need to manage mana, cd, and clearing the minions.
And he kinda needs a reworm atm because damn malefic gun just punished him too hard.
I play him when the mid laner is not that op for example, eudora, and also when the enemy has tanky heroes like hylos. He is still one of my most fav mages, miss the old valir tho
But yeah, he's a conditional hero for enemy with slow/tanky composition like terizla in exp or alpha jungle. Also a teammate that can capitalize his slow support
He's just not enough with the current meta having high mobility. He needs revamp in order for him to compete against the current meta. 1st skill should make like Yve's first skill for better poking. 2nd skill should work like how they reworked balmonds ult, they moved the skill hit area a little behind balmond. 3rd skill should explode and knockback the enemies around valir a little, then remove the limitations of only 4 enhanced skill. I think with this set up, valir can compete with the current meta.
I still use him, key of using him is need a good cover and tag to other hero cc like alpha, he is meant to create chaos while war and he is dominating before lv 4 easiest to first blood
using valir with max CDR for me is the most fun play style for me. Forget layla using malefic, you can just keep spam your enhanced skill 1 at her
There are heroes with better skill sets that do the same thing he does. Zhuxin for cc and yve for slow. I think they need to change his first skill. Instead of firing it forward maybe make it drop from above like Yve's first skill. One of the things i hate about him is that during team fights he can only deal damage to those in the front line so its hard for him to deal damage to thise in the back line. And his range is not that great so mm with malefic gun can easily reach and kill him. Zhuxin and Yve doesnt have this problem coz there skills can reach the backline without any problem. So yeah i suggest they rework his first skill and make it similar to Yve's first skill just so he can have a way to reach the enemy backline.
I am so glad not much people are using him, his disruption abilities are so annoying. It is very hard to deal with in the very few games I see him in.
I feel like a semi tank Valir is better for the current meta. Ice queen + Glowing wand, the rest are tank items. His wave clear is kinda meh but he makes excellent second support.
Slow giving mages only become gods when all enemy heroes are walking heroes.
Hear me out:
What if his ultimate, instead of only enhancing 4 of his skills for few seconds, he will have unlimited enhanced skills during his ult state?
Yes valirrr🎉
What if they revamp him and change his ult to like the old Vexans ultimate, where in you put a curse and deals dmeg and the itnwill inflict continuous dmge for 8 seconds.. he has great control on his 2nd to push away enemy then 1st then ult.. thats a gret way to kil enemy core ore squishy marksman...
valir only needs ice queen wand and the magic antiheal item to be good. The rest can be defense items. Really good against initiators
It's depend on draft , valir is good to counter tanky and front line hero
Hyper:where our roam
Our roam
if only hes 1st skill second phase could explode faster all heroes can escape it even if you build the useless ive queen wand
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and if he 1st skill would not explode if it hit minions only heroes and jungle creeps that would make him playable again
i play him sometimes as roamer and sometimes pure mage which is annoying enough for dash heroes idk about the heroes who have blink skills like gusion and ngl when you play hero who don't have built in dash or blink skills he will be annoying
Gloo and Valir both in a group is quite scary in team fight
I really miss old valir. 1k plus match. N 58% win rate now. But now is second skill need to fix
I hate play against valir when I'm fighter or tank ....😢
i love using him against fighters and tanks. he's really annoying to deal with and it's really difficult to go near, especially with ice queen and glowing wand
the problem with the Many Valir users is all out mage like pure damage ,, i prefer semi tank build thats why some pro Valir user want him to be Roam more than a Mage , the Problem with the valir Roam is long cd First skill cant helm much clearing the jungle and so soft in early., Many Valir Main users knows whats the best counter of Valir its the Creeps/minion,, mobility enemy hero is hell bcos of easy to dodge first skill but the most counter of valir is the Creeps/Minion blocking the first skill even ur not a mobilty type enemy hero u can just counter Valir using a creep/minion just stay beside them and Wallaa!!! ur safe and no damage, hitting firs skill on minion/creeps doesnt reset ur first skill btw
Man i cant really use Valir noe because of meta i always use him at s32 to s33 he's my main now i dont wanna even use him
I now use Vale,Yve and Pharsa because they are good in early to mid game since they had good damage and good wave clearings
Well, too many assasins for him to be effective.
Now that is interesting, Hilda gets countered slightly by Valir
Sound of fire lababurn!!
No one plays him because I always ban him. Literally 100% of my rank games he's banned
@@Eecky lol legend
he either need more charges for 1st skill or minion/creeps not blocking the projectile
his wave clear is very slow compared to other mages
Ye have just offended me >:C
Just kidding, but it's really fun to use him as spellvamp or tanker
I've tried to play him and my problem mean he has longer Cooldown compared to xavier i use to compare with xavier cuz their porpuse is similar, a mage who can to spam his skills poking de enemy giving cc to alies but Xavier with his pasive smaller CD but valir's first skill is too long even usin temporal regin(my English is not good but i hope you can understand me)
Well I still do😂 sometimes but they prefer cecilion but I don't want to😂
I still use him, when enemies use dashless heroes (which are rare)
I usually just using him as a roam instead of mage since his position got replacement by zhuxin and
when i play mage, i really dont wish to face against valir.
Not OP but a balance hero, very annoying to deal it. specially when i pick rafaela roam, not sure if rafaela completely counters valir slow. effect.
In my server this hero is still used frequently.
All burning wands and one Cristal
i still playing him for counter melee hero
Tbh moonton should speed up his 1st skill foreswing delay, its slow just like what they did to Cecilion 2nd skill.
We need the old valir with so much burst and cc , that's my opinion
i usually play valir as a counter pick if the enemy team has a tanky jungler and roamer he is a good pick but not good against high mobility heroes
Whenever I see Freya on the enemy team, I pick him.
Valir is good, it so ever happen that everyone has a dash
A lot of ppl don't realize he counters hylos badly😂
Nop! I use Valir since this season start!! As a suport player I love use this hero to poke, slow and stun enemy! 😂
I just played Him Recently with Glowing wand and Sky Piercer Combo 😅
He's my main and always will be
Valid is counter to front line meta
still playing that hero
they need to bring back his old AOE ULTI 😅
If there's a hero that's need a revamp it's valir, rework the skills, except skill 2
I use valir, but aurora and xavier much better for teamfight because they have burst dmg skill.
I think this is because Zhuxin, Yve, Aurora and Vex zones better than him in terms of sustained zoning. Also a poor FLEX on roam since he can't keep up with the insane playmaking of Mathilda, Tig, Gatot, Chou and even Grock and Mino
Still see people play him around, rarely see Guinevere than valir.
Just remove the charge and make it cd base... So we can spam it late game w/o worrying too much if its hits
i do it also as a roamer with tanky build😊
I miss valir ult that give enemy cc, not making valir immune to cc
Valir and baxia needs some kind of buff to become op
Bruh
I'm a Valir main
That's my daily mage
Sure there's lots of better mages to pick
But Valir ain't that bad pick when you need some control
Especially when you don't want enemies to be near you at war
I think Moonton should buff his first skill with less delays, so that he can land faster stun and better dmg
I still play him hehe semi tank semi mage 😊
Hope can rework on his ulti,make ulti add two extra bullet
i use valir as a midlaner with semitank build to counter enemy tigreal
He needs a buff in order for him to be meta
valir totally needs a revamp
Whatever valir can do luo yi does it better I'm sorry,ppl only use him as an alternative if luo/zhuxin is banned and ppl usually go for luo
valir is still my roamer upto now😅
I play him vs semi tank or hybrid heroes
Valir lacks instant CC. Even Vale with 45% CDr can be so annoying than Valir.
Yve, Aurora and Zhuxin still beat Valir when it comes to utility and zoning capabilities.
the problem with valir is all he's skill is can be block by a Frickinnn minions or creeps it's hard to lane as a valir
tbh if tank meta rises again with all the tank buffs he might get popular again as a counter
As long as Zhuxin is not available, Valir is a good alternative but theres still much better mage to deal with tanks like *Aurora or Yve*
Valir "The Pandemic" mage.
I think it's because nobody can utilize valir properly most valirs i've seen fail to time his skills right
As for the meta he is situational +a good valir can be annoying to deal with even if the oponent has a long ranged damage dealer
Annoying but not a game changer like Aurora, Yve or Zhuxin.
Even Vale with 45% CDr is more annoying than Valir.
He isn't a strong pick now, just situational. He's very good against Hilda, Alpha, Dyrrot, and Cc.
I dislike how his skill 1 can be block by minions. It needs penetration effects.
He definitely needs a buff
You can use skill cooldown ideam he was scary
I use valir when there is roam setter and stunner