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- Red Dragon - Hannibal Lecter Meeting: Will (Edward Norton) seeks Dr. Lecter's (Anthony Hopkins) consultation on the Tooth Fairy case.
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Ex-FBI agent Will Graham (Edward Norton) is an expert investigator who quit the Bureau after almost losing his life in the process of capturing the elusive Dr. Lecter (Anthony Hopkins). After a series of particularly grisly murders, Graham soon realizes that the best way to catch this killer, known as the Tooth Fairy, is to find a way to get inside the killer's mind. For Graham, that means confronting his past and facing his former nemesis, the now-incarcerated Lecter.
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Cast: Anthony Hopkins, Edward Norton
Director: Brett Ratner
Screenwriter: Ted Tally
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The man's acting is superb, he doesnt even need to speak and can still make lecter terrifying.
I like Silence of the Lambs & Hannibal, this one not so much. I do wish they would make a final instalment of this series. Hannibal
Lecture is fascinating.
He doesn't even blink either. Much of this performance is physicality, the slow and still shoulders back chest front body language, and the firm stillness of the face.
Doesnt have the same feel as Lambs, the dialogue acting was much sharper.
its called anthony hopkins
Good from FRANCIS haggan from Manchester uk
I like how Will isn't as susceptible to Lecter's psychological fuckery as Clarice was. It's an interesting contrast that helps to elevate Will's character.
A big reason for it is that he's nearly Lecter's equal when it comes to insight into the psyche, to the point of becoming unstable in the realization he might be as deranged as the people he's after. They mostly glossed over Will's PTSD and being on the brink of a breakdown in this version though, he didn't have Norton's boyish self-assured vanity about him. Lecter had left lasting psychological damage and Will was repulsed by his presence enough he could hardly stand being in the room with him. "Manhunter" captured it well, he enters the cell area gingerly like going into a lion's den, and afterwards runs away in a panic unable to face him again. Of course, with the popularity of Hopkins' Lecter they had to create much more screen time for them since he hardly appeared in the book, but Norton never sold Will as a rattled, weary veteran investigator. That bottled-up torment and darkness in Petersen's portrayal added much more interesting complexity.
Great point.
This movie did an excelent job portraying Will Graham as the man who was capable of putting the animal in the cage.
Kudos to Edward Norton too, who came up with ideas to emphasize this.
@@Jose-se9pu Exactly. He did a good job of sparring with Lecter in a very humble and unassuming way. He knew what cards not to show and what bait not to take. Almost like a psychological matador.
He sees completely through his game and he wore it on his facial expressions and body language well.
@@Jose-se9pu That was the part they did well. I don't mean to rehash my earlier thoughts, but the movie missed the boat on Graham's character in a number of ways though. Norton can be phenomenal in some roles, but I think he was miscast for this. He just wasn't believable as a battle-worn reluctant genius, and Graham was not a young hotshot anymore. While the scenery chewing with Lecter they added was probably unavoidable, the smugness and self-assured demeanor of Graham was at odds with the doubt and deep psychological scars he is supposed to be carrying. William Petersen was better suited and really had you believing he was functional yet ready to crack at any moment. It wasn't appreciated in its day, but it had a huge influence on later psychological thrillers and police procedurals like "CSI" which Petersen ended up leading himself. I want to like "Red Dragon" better, I really do, especially having Hopkins, but every time I watch it I end up wanting to go back to "Manhunter" after.
Lecter is obsessed with control. He keeps trying to get the upper hand in this interaction - "Let me keep the photos and I *might* consider it," alluding to threatening Will's family, "You won't persuade me with appeals to my intellectual vanity," trying to get into Will's head with asking about his dreams, "You want to know how he's choosing them, don't you?" (stroking his own ego by pointing out that Will needs something from him), reminding Will what he did to him the last time they worked together...and through it all Will refuses to budge or let Lecter feel in control of the conversation. Good stuff.
The only way to win with a psychopath is to not play at all. Will knows this and handled himself well with Lector ultimately caving like a child when his bluff is called.
That's sorta what I love about _Red Dragon_ and _The Silence of the Lambs._ I love how, even though Lecter is locked up, he's the one with all the power. Will and Clarice need his help, and he knows it.
@@ZukoHalliwell In this scene Will proved emphatically he didn’t need lector. He was willing to walk, and the one willing to walk has the power, not the one who caves and essentially yells “no wait come back!” Lector got played here.
@@Absurdword That’s a good point. He could’ve been bluffing, though.
@@ZukoHalliwell Will is an experienced profiler he wouldn't bluff not with someone as intelligent and psychopathic as Lector he'd know straight away and would have toyed with Will and that would give Lector the upper hand for sure. If you notice Lector sat up, paid attention and seemed pissed off when Will said laymen. That was a subtle insult to Lector and he took it as such that's why he was fixated on how Will caught him because if Will is a layman then thats basically saying to Lector you're nothing special an idiot like me figured you out that insults the narcissistic side of his personality because its made clear many times that the FBI can't build an accurate profile of him and he knows it that feeds into his ego and narcissist tendencies and Lector has shown narcissistic traits insulting a narcissist can make them lose control so I would guess Will did that to see what Lector would reveal in his anger but he never took the bait.
The walking away from Lector wasn't a bluff he had every intention of leaving but Will also probably knew Lector would do something else to grab and keep his attention. At this point Lector probably gets visits from psychologists and FBI profilers wanting to interview him and find out about him so he's not short of an audience to toy with because they probably come back to hear more whereas Will the man that caught him and has ignored him since has come to see him because Will now wants/needs something from him. There was no way Lector was going to refuse to cooperate with Will not when he's finally got a response after years of trying because he knows Will won't come back and will continue to ignore him so that's why he agreed and thats why he asked for one hour because he now has some control, his narcissistic side has been fed and he's got Will's full attention in Lector's mind the game has started.
I have a feeling Dr. Lecter didnt really get over the whole getting caught thing
Lolol
Oh, he hardly brings it up.
According to Lecter murdering people is fine but atrocious aftershave from a bottle with a little ship is completely unacceptable.
Prison goes against his classy style lol
Brett Ratner wanted too just give very vague implications of Hannibal holding a grudge.
"They wouldn't give me your home address" - Lecter
Chilling performance. Love all the actors in this
"I would have loved to pay you a visit, Will.😈😈😈😈😈"-
Gee, I wonder why the FBI wouldn't give Will's home address to the serial killer that he arrested 😒.
Cheeky bit of foreshadowing there
I loved when Lecter would occasionally slip a southern drawl into his dialect. It made him seem like a snake
@jeff lockaby "How about cha Daddy? Was he a Coal Minah?" 🤣
@@cleonRIP 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hopkins said thats what he was aiming for
@Aldo Steel normal working class background
"I need your advice, Dr. Lecter."
"Don't talk about Fight Club, Will."
hahhahahahahhhhahaha! like this comment!
Actor's reference
I like how Hopkins changed Lector's before arrest and after arrest. He's not as Hepburn sounding before being caught. Like Hopkins made him angry because he was caught.
No need to maintain a disguse anymore. So he can be as menacing as he likes now.
he no longer has to pretend anymore, wearing his person's suit :)
He changed because he figured out time travel. How else can it be explained that he looks so much older than he does in Silence of the Lambs, despite hoarding three inches of makeup?
“You had disadvantages” “you’re insane” - then a pause from lector - it’s almost like the confrontation in the first film when Clarice says basically “I wonder if you can turn that high powered view on yourself and tell me what you see of yourself” - he avoids her question and deflects same as he does here, he really doesn’t like to turn his mind on his reality and possible flaws, deflecting works and he knows that- curios thing though, with such a high intellect would lecter really have eaten multiple humans KNOWING the damage cannibalistic behaviours have on a human brain - I will refer later to case studies - also what was the drive for him as an intellectually dominant person to eat an inferior person - his taste and style don’t seem to align with that outcome - but one thing is god damn sure - he LOVES the mental battle and two and fro - he’s loving the suppose challenge and sparring with them - genius character and portrayal by Hopkins who I’ve met and comes from 10 miles away from my home town - brilliant musician too and worth listening to his compositions on here, also the silence of the lambs audiobook with the death head moth thumbnail is sheer genius and worth listening too 👌🏻🍻
He doesn’t have to turn that perception on himself. Nor would it hurt him if he did, he knows what he is; what he likes. What he does not like is for someone to view him as inferior, if he he feels he is a test subject he is drawn to anger. Because of his familiarity on the other side superiority.
Hannabal's same reaction to Clarice's "No...you ate yours"...lol.. that little twitch of his eye says it all. Loss of eye contact he controls his power over one with. His shamed persona is INSANITY !!! He just capitalizes off of his genuis abilities as well. 😜😤😐
Great character. Anthony Hopkins is a very skillful and gifted actor, indeed.
@J P
Agreed. 👍👏👏👏😊
I see those two interactions entirely different both in nature and how Hannibal reacts to the responses. With Clarice he purposefully lead the conversation to the point where she'd have to mention this unsettling detail and Lecter seems impressed that Clarice isn't affected by it.
When it comes to the insanity comment, Lecter seems upset of being reminded of his condition that he can't ever understand making it his only weakness and the only thing he can't respond to with some witty remark which infuriates the man who is usually verbally unmatched but even his intellect has its' limits.
The fact that he hates rude people comes into play...meaning how could they point that out at a time like this reaction...
🎵Tks tks...lol ...being rude infuriates a person who doesn't see his OWN faults as others do.
The most baffling thing about the comment section of this video is how many people misspell "Hannibal Lecter".
Hannabal Lector
@@igor7000 Honeyball Lecture
@@DerHerrMitR Hamburger Lemon
Verizimo Corleone that was a good one
cannonball lecture
Finally got around to reading Red Dragon, just finished up this chapter. They nailed it here!
Heh, I just finished it too. An amazing book.
Norton and Hopkins. Two World Class actors.
"Ah yes Dr.Chilton. Gruesome isn't he? He fumbles at your head like a freshman pulling at a panty girdle.."
This has to be my favorite line. Very accurate about people in general..
you must be near my age. I'm 70 in May, and haven't pulled a panty-girdle nor seen one in fifty-five years. I think my first year of junior college. But the result was fabulous. !!!! My guess is anyone south of FIFTY doesn't even know what a "panty-girdle" even is!!!
They so badly wanted that Marvel de-aging tech that wouldn't be perfected for a decade-and-a-half
Look up "free software vs the Irishman"
It's pretty remarkable how fast AI is taking over CG.
@@leeham6230 the free software on this vídeo that you refer is a deep fake of the young actors faces and not properly a "deaged software" how was used on original effects from 'Irishman'.
@@masterwerneck thank you for this clarification.
I actually don't mind, I'm not at all distracted by Hopins' age in this. I was more bothered by how fake De Niro looked in the Irishman.
The main difference is that he's heavier, actors like him are no strangers to gaining or losing weight for roles, for whatever reason he did not go through that trouble for this. If not for that, they probably could have made him look quite close to before. The lighting is also odd, it's very blue-filtered looking and doesn't do him any favors.
Anthony Hopkins is one greatest of all time, this scene is a classic example of his genius
just magical - Lecter is charming, menacing, humorous, perverse, commanding and human
Trouble with prequels made much later, Hopkins is a lot older in this one than in Lambs and it shows.
I think they used makeup to make him look enough like how he did in '91 but it's nowhere near convincing. Had this movie been made now the issue would've been largely put to rest w/CGI.
A very different encounter between Lecter vs Graham and Lecter vs Clarice. Lecter knows Clarice was a newcomer, she was a dummy for him. But here Lecter knows Graham is so smart like himself.
More like Graham personally knows how twisted and evil Lecter is. Starling was more easily manipulated.
2:25 and the look on hannibal's face was gold👌🏿
The interesting thing about this scene is how AH's character behaviour has really changed from previous (non behind bars) encounters from someone who appeared sane to now someone who seemingly has a different personality, great acting, no wonder he's such a star but I feel very type cast now after Westworld, but of course easy to accept his character as a madman only because of previous roles as a madman.
Why do I enjoy sir hannibal so much there is something that keeps me coming back
what's great is that these two DESPISE each other, yet respect each other, and see similarities between each other, all at the same time.
Nobody can duplicate the Demme close-up
The insane don't think they're insane. It's a catch 22, if he says he isn't, he's being sterotypical, if he admits it he's lost.
Will: "My son always beats me in mario kart"
Lecter: "You cannot outrace your own son? But it was YOU who caught me 😈"
Anthony Hopkins well and truly was born for this role.
All three movies in the Hannibal trilogy are good.
Of all the people in the world to have a grudge against you, Dr. Lecter is the absolute last person you would want!
I have always got a kick out of Dr Lecters insults. Hahahaha
It was his "tastes" that got him caught. Those arrows so tastefully placed in the study are what Will used to take him by surprise. And again in the book Hannibal agent Starling uses his exquisite tastes to track him down via his shopping patterns.
They are both equally good. As characters, as actors too
When Lector escapes in Silence of the Lambs did he ever try going after Will?
NAFAIK, no point. Will was gruesomely messed up in the fight with Dollarhyde, badly disfigured and stuff. Killing him would be putting him out of his misery at that point and not worth the hassle.
The Author has stated that Will went out of his way to hide his family on a yacht that went from port to port in countries where white people stand out. Dr. Lector would not be able to find Will as he didn't have the resources or connections to search for him. Dr. Lector does however relish the idea of meeting him again and is curious whether that reunion would be one of respect or revenge.
There is something hypnotic in Anthony Hopkins' eyes .
Because he doesn't blink. Hopkins explained it in an interview, he met this madman firing question's at Hopkins in order to manipulate him. The man didn't blink.
If Graham wasn't Lecter's intellectual equal, he was close to it.
This is one of the best Hopkins Lecter scene.
It is just frightening how Lecter analyzed at 2:35 where he could live since the guys from bureau refused to provide address so he could send a thanksgiving card. Truly frightening introspective!
Been a Hopkins fan since Magic (1978
When half of the comments say Lector and the other half say Lecter
His acting is too good. Gives me the creeps every time.
Lecter is one character that you can be simultaneously disgusted by while also admiring him. He has a brilliant mind but he's also, as Will put it, insane. He would have made an excellent supervillain in the Batman universe. Speaking of which, the closest Batman villain that would be closest to Lecter would be Hush.
"You'll either do it or you won't"
Can't believe I didn't notice the throwback to Clarice earlier 😒
Also - odd to see how Will got Lecter grovelling somewhat at the end 😕 I need to watch this again
Much to love about all of this
Only a few things I'm afraid of, one mean elementary school teacher of mine, Kim Jong un and Hannibal Lector!
Lector cared what Wills opinion was on the article he wrote on surgical addiction. ‘And......’
What speaks to Hopkin's brilliance is the fact you still kinda want to be Lecter's friend on some level. Like being friends with a white shark.
Question: This is before "The silence of the lambs"?
It does seem this must be the prequel explaining how HL was in that cell when Jodie Foster appears.
@@TryGold That's what I believe.
Yes. In the books, it's supposed to be eleven years.
Yes. The incidents in this movie happen before the incidents in Silence of the Lambs
Yes, the book Red Dragon came before the book The Silence of the Lambs, but The Silence of the Lambs movie came out before the Red Dragon movie.
It can get confusing
I still like the original version better. Will Peterson played the role of agent on the edge perfectly 👌.
It's interesting hannibal here, hes rather upset and angry but doesnt articulate it like we do. At 2:32 you can tell hes genuinely embarrassed because he knows his insanity is a shortcoming.
You can really tell the difference between Will and Clarece when knowing how to talk to Lector
Amazing actor
Hannibal has Benjamin Button's disease.
Hopkins is an acting genius
i saw that in 2003 fantastic movie
Hubris.
This was the moment Hannibal became heisenberg
Will: I’m going to pick up ice cream what flavor do you want?
Dr Lecter: You should know Will, since it was you who caught me.
Ok you cant answer every question with that!
Every time with this guy...
I just want to commend this comment and the two subsequent ones. Very good laugh and clever humor. Thank you so much.
Lmfaoo
Well at least he’s not bitter about it
Will: *every time he walks in a room*
Hannibal: ATROCIOUS AFTERSHAVE
Lmao. I love how they keep bringing that up in the TV series too.
@@calbassas87 did you just smell me 😂
😅😂🤣🎬
@@calbassas87 I love the Series but the wait
Tbf that Old Spice aftershave Hannibal is talking about is atrocious.
Most people think that Hannibal's reaction to Will calling him insane is rage, I feel like it's disappointment. You could see Lecter's interest getting piqued when Will said he had disadvantages, but when Will did call him insane, he was disappointed. Disappointed that the only man close enough to understanding him at this point, the only man he considered worth battling wits with, was satisfied with calling him mad and moving on.
@@jimbeam100100 The films don't show Lecter as unknowable. The origin film explains why he eats people.
Yeah I never thought it was rage. Either disappointment or perhaps realisation that his insanity is actually what got him caught and his "acting normal" in society wasn't as perfect as he thought because he is, in fact, insane.
@@GuidedbyCrows Neve seen any of these films. Mind sharing the reason why he eats people?
@@leom5671 watch em bro. They fire
@@leom5671 In the film "Hannibal" we're told that it's "to show his disdain for those who exacerbate him", as well as to "perform a public service" by removing people he thinks society is better without- like a flutist he felt was spoiling an orchestra (in the books the flutist is one of his patients and he gives the additional reason of getting tired of his "whining" in therapy).
The film and book "Hannibal Rising" shows that when he was a kid, some starving soldiers broke into his family estate and murdered and ate his family, including his sister who was fed to Hannibal, and Hannibal escaped, grew up, hunted down and brutally murdered all of them in revenge, and afterwards started killing people he found annoying.
So he tortures and kills people he doesn't like, and he eats them to show he is better than they are, that they are nothing more than a meal to him.
I love how both Graham and Starling have their own unique yet effective ways of dealing with Lecters mind games. Starling seemingly more willing to engage in mental sparring initially with the doctor meanwhile Graham is more no nonsense and straight up stonewalls him.
I feel like Will has the advantage of knowing Hannibal for a long time, so he knows how to assert his position more effectively than Clarice. She also had to work harder to earn his respect I think.
Starling had more of an advantage I think in Silence and Red Dragon. He fell in love with her. Of course she got lucky at the beginning of Silence that Lecter's next door cell mate was rude to her. Will had to work harder not to give anything away.
Will was a seasoned veteran, Clarice was a recruit.
@Bubba Sawyer you are right
@Bubba Sawyer He was intentionally not showing emotion because he wasn't giving Lecter anything to mess with. That's not "phoned in acting," and it's no worse than Spacey in Seven. Sometimes, wooden and "lifeless" is what's specifically needed.
"Then how _did_ you catch me?"
"You stabbed me in the abdomen."
lmfao
How the hell did they both survive lol
@@chrisp9046 Most of the bullets missed hannibal
@@EthenBibslo I’m pretty sure he got hit by at least 4 in his torso. I think they were both wearing plot armor.
@@chrisp9046 Probably bro 😥
Lecter feels very vulnerable in this particular scene. He's extremely aggressive, but I think it's because he's mad that Will caught him. He feels superior in terms of intellect, but he also understands that Will has his own intelligence that matched, even overthrew him. Will deflects all of his manipulation.
The director and Hopkins observed that during the filming process. Unlike the more reserved and quietly menacing persona of Dr. Lector in Silence of the Lambs, this Lector was considerably more aggressive, angry, and still feeling the sting of what he called the "inconvenience of being incarcerated." This was meant to seem as though Lector was still dealing with what he considered the "injustice" of being captured. I always love discussion of this film, and the stylized glimpse into the mind of a monster.
Agreed. Just watched the scene with Agent Clarice. He seems more settled in by that time. Here, he is…aggravated and everything around him is beneath him.
....until he told the ultimate truth that stung Lecter.......he...is insane...and therefore at a loss...for all his money....style.... education and savior faire....he is living at a deficit....that put him at the mercy of....rude people....ugh....
Will is the antithesis to Lecter in that Will is so empathic in that he can completely understands the thoughts/feelings of others. Lecter is a pure psychopath, meaning he completely lacks the ability to feel guilt hence the thoughts/feelings of others is irrelevant
Big time. One of the most worthwhile things about this film is that it wasn't just a victory lap for Hopkins, it was an opportunity to portray Lecter at his most villainous, in a different time and dynamic in his life, before meeting the person who'd kick off his slow evolution into something more.
"Do you dream much, Will?"
I love how he delivers that line. He's giving a fairly innocent question a hint of danger and malice.
I'll ask my boss that question...
I also love how it comes as Lecter is trying to take back control of the conversation after Will turns down Lecter saying "he'll consider it." The line after it, Will just threatens to leave, dismissing Lecter's mind games.
@@MrUranium238 Do you still have the job?
He asks that exact same question in the previous movie silence of the lambs to Agent Starling in this exact setting, hence the emphasis on this question
Makes me wonder what he was gonna ask
Lector's reaction isn't rage.
He is a learned man, and is quite capable of diagnosing himself. He often has.
Will calling him 'insane' is a statement of fact, Lector can't deny it.
Will told Lector that his mental condition lead to his capture, but Lector thinks of his madness as his strength.
He was shocked by the revelation.
He's a student of Jung so by definition he can't diagnose himself, so couldn't, probably as curious as the rest of us to be honest but in the book it alludes to lector being one of a kind, a pyschopathic narcissist who has a little self control, like he can turn it off, amazing character
Greg,
You got it.
Lecter considers himself a genius and untouchable when it comes to Intellect and good manners.
Will Graham's 'your insane' comment would've floored Hannibal Lector.
'Your insane ' makes him out to be nothing more than a common, vulgar and pedestrian serial killer of the everyday variety.
Lecter is a snob ! His Ego would've taken a beating.
Being lumped together with the 'great unwashed' would've have internally infuriated Lecter, hence his horrific revenge on Will Graham.
For those who haven't read the books by Thomas Harris, especially Silence of the Lambs, we are told that Graham had a face that's now hard to look at AND the insinuation that he's broken . . . and a . . . drunk.
A further inference that his wife Molly left him as Lecter got 'too close '
Molly had warned Will Graham at the beginning of Red Dragon that she couldn't go through him (Graham) bring physically or psychologically scarred again by Hannibal Lecter.
@@FrostedSeagull That would be _"you're"._ The other way is the speech of the great unwashed.
The look on Lecters face when Will points out, that Hannibals deficiency is his insanity. Even in Hannibals brilliance, you could tell he had never really considered it. Hopkins is such a great actor...
indeed. or maybe deep down he always knew but his pride got in the way
Lecter is driven by arrogance. He murders and eats people because he thinks he is somehow above being human. Will telling Lecter he is insane is the deepest cut Lecter could take. Lecter coming to terms with his humanity.
@@BlaneNostalgia he always knew. but there's a difference between knowing and hearing it said out loud.
That’s a fault in the script character. A psychopath of that calibre would have taken it as a compliment and used that to play the detective.
Lecter's disadvantage wasn't insanity, it was carelessness.
had he not left that book on that shelf but instead in a locked cabinet,
Will wouldn't have made the connection at that point.
He would have at some point, he was even inclined to express the notion during their last conversation.
Everybody makes mistakes
I have another theory maybe...i think lecter doesnt think the killing and eating is "insanity" u see all the hunting gear and the history of man etc...man in its originality kills to survive or kills for humanity's survival or in another way survival of the fittest.
What did humanity do before they could talk? They couldnt argue or discuss they just killed or were killed.
I forget what its from but people say things like "after man" orcas are superior predators and we are just that the most successful predators of all animals ever...and while i think what im saying is horrible and makes me disgusted to say this last thing , it makes sense we still have predatory humans or "killers" 😔
@@BipoIarbear if that's what you think then I'm not going to argue over it. everyones beliefs are different.
@@tsoul1333 oh i wasnt arguing matey , was a complete random thought while watching the movie an thought id just have a chat on here bout it...the name usually makes people think im a troll, its just a name😁
3:13 I love how he drops the venomous demeanour and jumps into a 'I thought we were friends' tone.
i kinda took it as "wait you arent playing my game? Youre not being very fun... fine... ill help"
"Insane" made all the blood in his brain boil. At least that what it looked like to me, the expression on his face the second his eardrum registered the word.
shane koszczewski it’s a movie
@@moose83325 yes but acting is an art
Yeah he realized he had no comeback to that and it pissed him off, so he started to attack will to get back at him. Pathetic really.
@@yoloswaggins1579 Found the simp who didn't read the book. Go lick a window somewhere, ya pulsating sheet.
@@michellegiebe5362 wowee you read the book, so you're a big boy now huh? Here's a medal for reading the book champ!🏅
Lecter doesn't respond to him being called insane and instantly jumps to threatening Will and his family. He really felt insulted, but he knows its true to some extent.
It's not true. He's just a predator, not insane.
@@GuidedbyCrows "but he knows its true to ."
@@GuidedbyCrows he is a psychopath, not a sociopath. It was stated in silence of the lambs that his pulse didnt change a bit when he ate the nurse face. Wouldnt be possible without changes in the brain.
@@GuidedbyCrows this is the most ignorant and stupid comment i saw in a while...
psychopathy is a antisocial personality disorder.. these people aren’t actually insane
since they don’t hallucinate and are always in complete control in their situations
psychosis in the other hand is a symptom wich can lead if unchecked to schizophrenia in the worst case..you’re brain processes information differently it will be hard to know what is real or not you will see,hear, feel and even smell things that aren’t there you are getting delusional and losing touch to reality this is a condition where people actually go insane...these two terms have VASTLY different meanings and have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with one another..
it angers me that people are soo ignorant about mental illnesses wich are serious medical conditions and talk about it like they know spreading completely false information about it..smh
@@GuidedbyCrows psychosis isn't the same thing as psychopathy.
The thing I love most about this scene is how its the exact opposite of the Agent Starling scene. In "silence of the Lambs" the camera constantly shifts when Hannibal is getting more dominant. However, in this scene, the camera is almost always at an equal level, even when will is sitting down. There is never a shot with both in frame where one is standing above the other.
For being a Brett Ratner movie, Red Dragon was surprisingly well made. I like the fact that the movie didn't shy away from its connections to Silence of the Lambs but instead embraced them, even at the cost of people inevitably drawing comparisons. I think bringing back Ted Tally to pen the screenplay was a key factor.
@@vincenzomarino9206Apparently, Tally’s screenplay was what convinced Hopkins to come back after _Hannibal_ and Norton (who’s VERY picky about the scripts he chooses) to sign on.
Nobody could have EVER played Dr. Lecter the way Anthony Hopkins did, he was FLAWLESS 😱
Bryan Cox's portrayal is incredible as well
hopkins merely played lecter as he saw him, he made lecter. any actor subsequently playing lecter will therefore fail, he will not be hopkins.
@Trevor Rogert agreed. It also predates Hopkins.
I struggle to watch the remakes, none beat Michael Mann's Manhunter
so flawless he was that Jodie Foster admitted on the Graham Norton show that she was too scared to talk to him and rather avoided him until the end of the production :D
There is a movie called "Manhunter" from the '80s (this is actually a remake of that), the guy who played Grissom in CSI plays Graham there.
Anyway, the actor who plays Lecter is pretty good, but of course, Hopkins is in another level.
2:28 holy hell that eyebrow drop into the eyelid twitch. That physicality was so superb.
didn't even notice till you mentioned it. That is great acting! It works even if you don't consciously see it.
@Stomie Haze and?? Are there not subtleties in acting? It's about the details
It makes him feel so real. Truly the highest calibre of acting talent - ability to produce micro expressions that you can read thru the eyes and shows you the emotions within.
@@DekuStickGamerold school of acting
"You haven't threatened to take away my books yet"
I love how this is said as an observation and not a question. Lector came to the realisation that the person who put him in the cell didn't have any malice against him, rather he was being treated like a human being. Maybe even with the smallest amount of respect.
No. It is because he wanted to mess around with Will, and when Will abruptly turned to leave Lecter was shocked that Will gave up the game so easily.
Books could have been used as leverage. Any person, including psychopaths like Hannibal, have their weak spot(s) that can be used.
@@claudiamanta1943Similar to how Chilton uses Hannibal’s sketches as leverage in _Silence of the Lambs._
"Give me the file then."
Superb dialogue.
"You're insane" , then thinks to himself, 'god I hope he hasn't figured out how to shatter the barrier...'
"You're insane." That caught him off guard. The realization that he was right and there was nothing the good doctor could do about it. It was like having a stain on your shirt that others could see but you could not.
I think he was more disappointed
Thats why he was caught. The one weakness of him being insane.
Anthony lynch I’d like more to think that he wanted him to catch him. Leave just one tiny clue, see if he catches it, to know if he was truly a worthy opponent. Just me, though. He could also have just gotten careless and realized his mistake too late.
No, it was carelessness.
@@molasorrosalom4846 Makes me wonder... He considers Will a worthy adversary, intelligent and a genius in his field. He could be dissapointed that his rival was anti climactic about his defeat or perhaps deep down Hannibal knows that sooner or later people like him end up in jail or dead wheter they are smart or not.
It's creepy how one of the paintings in Lecter's cell is of a jacked man. It's almost as if he already knew the profile for the person they were looking for.
He even looks directly at that drawing when he mentions Birmingham and Atlanta
Very reminiscent of the Duomo seen from the belvedere. They caught buffalo bill in belvadere oh i think
Will plays him so smoothly it’s hilarious
Will: you had disadvantages
Hannibal: what disadvantages?
Will: you should have gone for the head.
Hey bro - you're a Deftones fan?
Sarthak Biswas yes sir
Lector made the same mistake as his son
I like this scene, but I actually think it's crisper and more intimidating in Manhunter.
Manhunter had a better director.
This version is very Hollywood, overly dramatic music etc it's much more restrained and tense in Manhunter.
def crisper - i expected a lot more from hopkins
Not only this, Ed Norton is a terrible Will Graham, he feels like a disinterested and tired working man rather than the tortured and damaged victim.
He's a good actor, but this interpretation of the character is easily the worst.
This movie is like they remade Manhunter for the kids at the back of the class.
I know Hopkins gets all the accolades but man, Edward Norton was great in this scene too while Lecter was trying to get inside his head Norton played it really casual like, "I'm not here to play games or beg for your help you'll either do this or you won't." Absolutely no fear on his face.
But that's the thing though, Graham is supposed to be scared of Lecter. He's not supposed to look disinterested, he supposed to be trying to hide his fear of Lecter and fear of himself of what he had to become to catch Lecter. This is a poor interpretation and representation of the character, William Petersen did it much better.
Basically Rorschach
@@AnnoyingNerdLoL ....in the movie you clearly see he was very ambivalent doing the job,...he was living a great simple life with his wife and child....he only did the job to save other families....once he clocked Lecter as insane and the veiled threats started coming he decided to just cut bait and walk......then Lecter decided...to play the game...hoping for another chance to not only escape....but to kill Will...and his family...
I love their dynamic. I always felt Hannibal considered himself the ultimate predator and Will the genius hunter. But no will just shuts it down like it was a fluke.
I really apreciate Edward Norton insisting on Will Graham not being afraid of Dr Lecter, makes the character feel different than the rest (especially Clarice), you can tell this is the man that managed to put the animal in the cage.
I think it was Norton contribution to the screenwriting, because in the book Graham often described traumatic and hesitated to meet Lecter
@@nateanara6126 Manhunter does it better. You would truly believe the actor playing Will was still afraid of Cox’s version of Lecter. It’s really good
Will was toying with Lecter. He so obviously calls himself a Laymen. Lecter wouldn't be able to let that slide, having just heard that the man who managed to catch him is degrading himself and thus making it sound like his capture was nothing special. Lecter's ego couldn't let it go. As Will acted like it meant nothing, his inevitable answer was to set Lecter off balance. Calling Lecter Insane when he asked about his disadvantages.
Will was self degrading up until this point, being humble. However his answer is a complete 180. There is a huge difference between the sane and insane, that abrupt change in position was beautiful and you can see it on Anthony's face.
I love how much he wants to look at the file and Will knows it
Still, Silence of the Lambs is the Best
@John Doe Hannibal Rising is by far the worst of the four. None of the others come remotely close to Silence.
I agree
Obviously, but this was still good I think.
@@deathrasher282 I think Manhunter is the best in the series. Even if not, it is criminally underrated.
@@micahadamson4309 Manhunter is pretty awesome. This movie, however, flat out sucked. I love Edward Norton, but he never clicked as Will Graham, lacking the lion-like intensity and passion William Petersen or even Hugh Dancy had.
Lecter is obsessed with the reason Will was able to catch him but acts as if it's Will who's obsessed about it. I guess it's because Lecter is egotistical?
It's also the reason why he hates being tested so much. Lecter can't stand being tarred with the same brush as every other dime a dozen psychopath. He has to be head and shoulders above the rest.
Does Lecter not accept the idea that his capture was a lucky accident? Is he giving Will credit?
@@umbraemilitos Hannibal cannot except being caught out of pure luck. Not by someone of Will Graham's intelligence and profiling abilities built on pure empathy. Hannibal's also competitive with other Doctors in the field.
Being told he’s insane to my knowledge is one of the few times Hannibal almost appears to be somewhat upset, or even offended. It’s subtle and quick however it’s still clearly there. Even when being shot and stabbed he barely flinches but being called insane seemed to cut him quite deep. Hannibal prides himself on being intellectual and a step above and ahead of everyone else so to be called mad clearly upsets him. Anthony Hopkins truly was the perfect Hannibal Lecter.
"You had disadvantages."
two of the greatest actors in one scene just like 50 year old whiskey aged to perfection
Well, honestly, I don’t care for Norton at all and find him boring in this movie.
@@codymays9943 your opinion
well alot of people in film disagree with you
_Right._
@@codymays9943 You're right, this movie's not only bad it's useless. They already made the perfect Red Dragon film. Someone needs to make a great version of Hannibal now.
From Anthony Hopkins to Madds Mickelson. We've been blessed to have Hannibal portrayed by two incredible actors.
Yes. I agree.
Someone hasn't seen Manhunter.
@@Rothchild-j5tcox was decent
I love how Will's completely in control and Hannibal think's he's got him but he hasn't.
Edward Norton is good, but I honestly think William Petersen in Manhunter is far more interesting. Every moment he's on the screen, you can tell he is walking a fine line.
Our last collaboration ended so messilly.
Best line in here
Then by implication you think you're smarter than I am, since it was you who caught me.
I really don't get that part. Why does it implicate that? Doesn't it simply implicate that will thinks that the red dragon is smarter he is? And maby even smarter than Lecter depending on if he can catch him
@@Paul-gt2es
It's the fact he brought up the fact he's a layman. He's subconsciously bragging to Hannibal about how a simple man like himself could catch him.
Learn to spell correctly, pal.
@@jayadsilva67 people like you are cancer
@GloriousTapeworm How is he illiterate exactly? Perhaps brush up on your definitions.
The vulnerability in his voice at 2:23 when he asked "What disadvantages?"
I like how frustrated he gets with Will, he can’t manipulate or screw with him. Nothing he says has an effect on Will, it’s like a child trying to get his parents attention by being annoying and they ignoring him. He can’t stand the fact that not only he caught him, but beat him.
At 2:28, hurt, angry, realization of reality...so subtle, so real. Well done AH
Will knew his games.
I love how he refers to Chilton as "Gruesome" haha
Incredible acting. Imprisoned Lecter is terrifying, with his mask off, so to speak.
Lecters eyes well up when hes called out as insane....I personally think he's not furious, when he calls him insane, but heartbroken, because he has the intelligence to appreciate the statement as fact. Amazing acting....he performs critical, perceptive analysis on other people, to amazing effect, so to have his own shadow confirmed, broke his heart!
My theory
No. He is physiologically incapable of experiencing such emotions. At most, he's disappointed.