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Hey I wanna ask about Delbrück scattering and the logic photons would have to reformulate with a different direction when acted upon by a electromagnetic wave/field when a positron and electron are ejected and that be interjected to create 2 unique photons with the same data- I wanna call it quant-tronye when two positrons or the opposite pair join a new wavelength pair or even change into new pairs and how that effects the returns on investment. I feel like there's some untapped spectrum we have ignored because it's presented impossibly behind a quantum yet superposition like behavior.
At 1:12:00 y'all are talking data theory and quantum mechanics, but realistically in the perfect moment when under observation that information disappears but inside it separated from first state to it's super state that allows it to return to the first state. A data string would rearrange itself the same way it entered encrypted by photonic waves that likely wouldn't be stable enough to get the information back out of it because by the time you observe the information in and out, the inference would be it -could- take a very very long time to see the same information but inevitably it should return when it reconstructs it's wave structure would be identical. Though it would be tuned to wavelengths of which energy leaves the black holes.
Quantum mechanics has revolutionized our understanding of the universe, revealing a world where particles exist in superpositions, entangle across vast distances, and defy classical intuitions. Despite its successes, quantum mechanics raises profound questions about the nature of reality, causality, and the limits of human knowledge. A key challenge lies in reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity to develop a unified theory of quantum gravity. This has implications not just for understanding black holes or the early universe but also for practical advancements, such as quantum computing and secure communication systems. As we push the boundaries of quantum technology, we enter a future where quantum systems could fundamentally reshape fields like cryptography, artificial intelligence, and even materials science. Yet, scaling up quantum systems while maintaining coherence and reducing errors remains one of the greatest technical and theoretical challenges of our time. How can we overcome decoherence and error rates in quantum systems to enable scalable and fault-tolerant quantum computing that can tackle problems beyond the reach of classical supercomputers?
Humans are born curious; hence, explorers. That’s exactly why billionaires spend hundreds of millions, if not billions on yachts to explore the vast sea and the planet Earth. So, spending a vast amount of money to moving a billion people to Mars is the human thing, not about fixing the Earth.
It's kind of sad to see all these prominent physicists like Kip Thorne, Penrose, etc. becoming old. But I know they've lived their lives to the fullest. I salute them
I think it's disappointing that they quote Newton's "if I have seen further it's because I've stood on the shoulders of giants" which was a calculated insult about his arch-enemy, the hunchback dwarf, Robert Hook who he hated.
Aye, it was either binary or morse. I don't remember the order that it happened in (ha, ha) but I remember that the sand was binary, and he asked TARS to encode something in morse.
Morse code is basically binary anyway. Dots and dashes can be considered as 0 and 1. So the singularity equation was translated into binary by TARS and with that transmitted to Coop in morse code. So Murph can read it in morse, translate it to regular language and solve the gravity equation.
Please get Prof Kip Thorne back soon, I could listen daily to these two great minds for hours! 👏👏👏👏👏 When Kip describes any scientific "phenomenon" in BASIC, ORDINARY and SIMPLE language, Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson (forever the educator) puts a cap on it with a Technical Term "reference stamp" so all THE NERDS can go look it up and test their own Algebra if they have the time and are so inspired...
I am immensely thankful to live in an era where I can lounge in my bed and connect with these incredible individuals! I truly hope that the younger generation feels inspired by this and strives to achieve even greater and more remarkable things! My deepest thanks!
48:00 I love this guy! He has literally tell us how to make a Wormhole... 😁👏👌 In any case I wanted to thanks Neil for bringing Kip to the audience because he truly is a gem 💎! What a truly humble and brilliant human being!!! I could be listening 🎧 to his theories for hours and hours! 🤩👏👌
I just re-watched this movie with my brother (it was his first time seeing it) so it's both amazing and fascinating that you get to have this conversation! I've just started watching and I'm so excited!!!
16:00 Doesn't seem like Tyson fully understands Interstellar. There was clearly a war at some point and then a era of mass starvation. There are no more armies, not many scientists at all. When Coop discovers NASA it is a massive shock to him that they even exist. So how could biologists simply solve the blight when there aren't even any biologists left. Everyone has turned to farming to try to survive, and now the blight is taking out the crops.
You’re absolutely right, some famous scientists seem incapable or unwilling to see the theme of the story and how that is balanced against the science of it. Chris Nolan will never spoon feed a plot to you and most certainly not exposition dump the science.
To me it wasn't a war, it was the consequences of this anti-science movement that you are seeing in the US, anti-vaccines, flat earthers, radical homeschooling, defunding of the ministry of education, defunding of basic science research, and denial of the consequences of global warming due to corporativism and lobbyists taking over all regulatory bodies. Economists seem to forget that the only reason that the Malthusian catastrophe was avoided was due the technological advances of the green revolution. But that has a limit, if our biomes gets catastrophically altered due to global warming, and new pathogens can mutate and also plants can only grow in a specific range of temperatures and humidity. The amount of dust in the movie shows that the soil was of very poor quality, probably due to the heat, the whole planet seemed to be in the process of desertification.
@@MWTGoldenGun The books said “Stay,” which was the message the daughter discovered at the beginning, then the watch also used Morse as the answer to whatever scientific problem she solved through him. It was maybe coordinates? Im fuzzy on that part.
10:04 I'm currently studying Physics after being sucked into it while trying to understand "Interstellar". It will always be my favorite movie for that
I love how Kip debunked all Neil's concerns about Interstellar (blithe, Miller's planet, time dilation, etc). Appreciate that he also talked about Contact which is also one of my favorite movies. Super nice conversation. It almost feels like Neil realized / appreciated again how brilliant Kip is.
I love Neil but if I remember correctly he was using binary when pushing the books out to communicate.I think the thin slots were 0 and the thicker slots were 1 and that's how he was able to get the coordinates to NASA.
My favourite movie. Got to explain time dilation, as per what was happening in the movie, to my young daughter who was absolutely fascinated. A movie that is both fascinating and educational.
Dr Thorne is a brilliant man. Ligo was his brainchild 40 odd yrs ago. It took that long for all the different areas of focus to catch up scientifically to actually build it. What an amazing time to be alive.
For those who have only just watched Interstellar, i recommend you watch the special features on the Bluray. if any of you still buy Physical Media(which you most definitely should be) The extras are amazing and again educational, and you get more Kip Thorne.
I love these two! But please 🙏🥺 Neil don't give the poor Kip a hard time at that age, because he is literally one of my 🔝 21 century heros not just for the Nobel prize 🏆👏 but for be available of inspiring an entire generation with that great (literally my all time favorite) movie called Interstellar'
He does come off to have some ego issues to me personally. Always trying to interrupt to prove someone wrong and says racial comments every other episode that aren't necessary.
He didn't use the books to spell words. Didn't he tug on the strings in the tesseract so the seconds hand on the watch would tick a certain way (like a Morse Code)?
Kip's Interstellar book is pretty good and answers more than you can wish for. Also, his book "Black Holes and Time Warps" is one of the best popular science books I've read. I always wished that Kip would've written more!
Thank you for spreading science in such a relatable and engaging manner. I hope to enjoy the movie soon and continue learning from your insightful analyses!
The fact NDT adores Real Genius makes me so happy for some reason. Literally one of my favorite movies from when I was a kid. I saw it in theaters and was obsessed with the movie and especially science after. Glad to hear Neil also loved the movie and that's just awesome.
Dr. Tyson, I’ve been pondering the fate of the universe and wanted to share an idea for your thoughts. What if dark energy behaves like an all-dimensional rubber band-stretching spacetime outward but eventually snapping back? This could align with Ekpyrotic and Cyclic Universe models, where expansion leads to contraction and a Big Bounce. It’s fascinating to imagine dark energy as a dynamic, reversible force rather than a constant driver of eternal expansion. Do you think this kind of framing could help us understand how dark energy evolves-or is it just a playful metaphor? Would love to hear your take! Edit: I posted this as it is related to black holes in the sense that with the rubber band idea, all black holes would eventually converge, bringing all matter into a singularity again.
This is amazing, I literally watched the movie a 2nd time last night for no apparent reason before this podcast was released then wake up and see this interview with Kip Thorne. 😮
Interstellar is so great in so many different ways and I often watch it with my daughter and the relation between father and daughter in the movie is very deep, beautiful and touching ❤
I tried reading that book "Gravitation" and it blew me out of the water. It's worth the struggle to get through it, but it is extremely difficult chewing, definitely not for the faint of heart.
Thank-you for such a well done talk with such a remarkable person. The title attracted me as I am huge fan of Interstellar and Christopher Nolan, but the rest of talk was a huge unexpected treat. All I can do is say thank-you very much.
What a fantastic and informative interview! It still blows my mind as to just how smart some people, like Kip Thorne, truly are. It's more than worth the time investment to see/hear the how and why of what's what when it's explained by someone as brilliant as Kip Thorne, even with having to abide by the "Tyson Quirks" scattered throughout the interview.
What technological or scientific breakthroughs would be necessary to create and stabilize a wormhole for practical use, even if time travel remained theoretical?
I feel the breakthrough has to be on education, since we are too focused (as a group) to dopamine but not practicality and functionality as a source of happiness, so too much time is lost on entertainment in a bad way (I read that 90% of the internet is adult 3X entertainment, for ex.) I think that many minds will start enjoying engineering and science and just thinking long term, we as species are smart but not many individuals are really that smart in all areas, so if you improve enough people the IQ just a little, humanity improvements skyrocket, we are losing time now fighting with people who are refuting proven laws of physics so imagine using those resources to develop something useful
I am extremely impressed to hear that you were a student of John Wheeler. I am under the impression that you are on a quest to achieve the scope and then breadth of his imagination. And in my opinion, you are well on the way. Thank you for doing what you do.
Very satisfied to get his time dilation explanation. Been wondering about that since I first saw the movie. Nolan made him go and rethink 'real math' 🤣 Even Kip was so surprised it would work if the black hole was spinning. Amazing
35:08 Kip is right when he said Neil was wrong. The book titles had nothing to do with making the message "stay." He spelled it in morse code, one book left a small gap indicating a dot, consecutive books pushed out together left a larger gap, indicating a dash. The girl has the word "stay" written in her book with the morse code beside it.
By pushing out books he creates gaps in the bookshelf. Murph tracked the size of each gap and noticed they were either small (1-2 books gone) or large (5-9 books gone). Interpreting small gaps as dots and large gaps as dashes yields: ...-.--.-- STAY
And hans zimmer, the creator of the movie’s soundtrack, literally wrote “stay” in morse when he was writing the music so anyone who knows morse can hear the word
I have been fascinated by time for as long as I can remember, the subject is awe inspiring however the fact that there is an active credible and certified professor who has stated his belief that he has nearly there with going back in time frankly scares me to death and I am dumbfounded that he is allowed to even voice this to anyone, I would appreciate any explanation for this thanks
Based on my laymen’s concept of physics, and trying to boil it down to what “interstellar” was trying to say, I remembered a documentary by Brian Green about gravitation, in which he made the point that gravity was the weakest of the fundamental forces, and that a theory existed that the reason for that might be that, of all the basic forces in Physics, it alone may act over more than than one universe at a time, thus making it appear weaker in any one continuum. So, when the spaceship captain was rearranging books on his daughter’s bookshelves, etc, he was showing that love was like gravity that way. It had a footprint in multiple geometries.
Black holes represent one of the most intriguing phenomena in astrophysics, combining extreme gravity, spacetime distortion, and untapped cosmic potential. Their event horizons offer a glimpse into the limits of our understanding of physics, where Einstein's general relativity and quantum mechanics seem to collide. For interstellar time travel, black holes could serve as both obstacles and opportunities. The intense warping of spacetime near a black hole might theoretically enable phenomena like time dilation, as depicted in Interstellar, where seconds near a black hole translate to years elsewhere. This tantalizing possibility opens a window into the future of cosmic exploration and perhaps even human survival beyond Earth. Harnessing such extreme environments for time travel or wormhole navigation requires breakthroughs in physics, particularly in unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics. Yet, black holes remain a double-edged sword; they are both cosmic wonders and formidable threats. Their study not only pushes the boundaries of scientific inquiry but also challenges us to imagine new frontiers of human potential, where interstellar journeys and even glimpses into the past or future could one day be reality. The key lies in advancing our understanding of spacetime and developing the technology to safely approach and utilize these cosmic powerhouses.
The question on blight is still troubling. Even if it was a generalised vicious blight, then no matter what planet humans migrated to, wouldn't the blight also come with them...since they are still reliant on earth based crops?
Interstellar is the best movie ever made in my opinion!!! I am so excited for this. I already have the book by Kip Thorne about the science in the movie ❤
35:20 Cooper can see the other side of the book shelf if he turns back. Remember he can see the room from all angles? And hence he can see the book titles too (hoping he has very good eye - because he has to see the length of full room).
The information paradox assumed that black holes are built from mass bending spacetime, but actually the maths was backwards, and black holes are made from negative mass folding away the mass. Negative mass grows when mass evaporates so there is no information paradox. This all goes back to the Cavendish Experiment which got the physics backwards, because two objects were moving towards negative mass holes that are at the centre of all particles, and lead towards the centre of the total object mass. The Cavendish Experiment is an invisible set of physics that should never have been called an observation at all. It's the same with magnetism as well, it's invisible it isn't observable, and it's gravity being pushed out at the north end of the magnet.. so a bar magnet works like a vacuum cleaner, but with scaled down gravity instead of air. There are not 4 forces, there is just one force, and it's gravity. You just replace all the forces with what gravity is actually doing at that position. Scientists should actually learn to observe before they say that they have used observation... on invisible stuff.
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When will you invite Sir Roger Penrose for a chat?
Hey I wanna ask about Delbrück scattering and the logic photons would have to reformulate with a different direction when acted upon by a electromagnetic wave/field when a positron and electron are ejected and that be interjected to create 2 unique photons with the same data- I wanna call it quant-tronye when two positrons or the opposite pair join a new wavelength pair or even change into new pairs and how that effects the returns on investment. I feel like there's some untapped spectrum we have ignored because it's presented impossibly behind a quantum yet superposition like behavior.
At 1:12:00 y'all are talking data theory and quantum mechanics, but realistically in the perfect moment when under observation that information disappears but inside it separated from first state to it's super state that allows it to return to the first state. A data string would rearrange itself the same way it entered encrypted by photonic waves that likely wouldn't be stable enough to get the information back out of it because by the time you observe the information in and out, the inference would be it -could- take a very very long time to see the same information but inevitably it should return when it reconstructs it's wave structure would be identical. Though it would be tuned to wavelengths of which energy leaves the black holes.
Quantum mechanics has revolutionized our understanding of the universe, revealing a world where particles exist in superpositions, entangle across vast distances, and defy classical intuitions. Despite its successes, quantum mechanics raises profound questions about the nature of reality, causality, and the limits of human knowledge. A key challenge lies in reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity to develop a unified theory of quantum gravity. This has implications not just for understanding black holes or the early universe but also for practical advancements, such as quantum computing and secure communication systems.
As we push the boundaries of quantum technology, we enter a future where quantum systems could fundamentally reshape fields like cryptography, artificial intelligence, and even materials science. Yet, scaling up quantum systems while maintaining coherence and reducing errors remains one of the greatest technical and theoretical challenges of our time.
How can we overcome decoherence and error rates in quantum systems to enable scalable and fault-tolerant quantum computing that can tackle problems beyond the reach of classical supercomputers?
Humans are born curious; hence, explorers.
That’s exactly why billionaires spend hundreds of millions, if not billions on yachts to explore the vast sea and the planet Earth. So, spending a vast amount of money to moving a billion people to Mars is the human thing, not about fixing the Earth.
It's incredible that we live in a period when we may easily hear a talk with one of the best scientists!
It's kind of sad to see all these prominent physicists like Kip Thorne, Penrose, etc. becoming old. But I know they've lived their lives to the fullest. I salute them
Anyone who can say they were set up on a date by Carl Sagan! Like, your really good friend, Carl Sagan...
I think it's disappointing that they quote Newton's "if I have seen further it's because I've stood on the shoulders of giants" which was a calculated insult about his arch-enemy, the hunchback dwarf, Robert Hook who he hated.
You can study time, not fight it
such is life
Everything gets old. This is not a new phenomenon.
34:50 - I've seen Interstellar like 10 times, and I am 99.99999% certain that the titles of the books have no part in Coop's communication.
Aye, it was either binary or morse. I don't remember the order that it happened in (ha, ha) but I remember that the sand was binary, and he asked TARS to encode something in morse.
Yeah, it was binary.
Morse code is basically binary anyway. Dots and dashes can be considered as 0 and 1. So the singularity equation was translated into binary by TARS and with that transmitted to Coop in morse code. So Murph can read it in morse, translate it to regular language and solve the gravity equation.
He used the watch, she counted the ticks on the hand that seemed stuck
Yep, the books that got knocked on the floor left gaps on the shelve that spelled "stay" in binary or something.
Please get Prof Kip Thorne back soon, I could listen daily to these two great minds for hours! 👏👏👏👏👏
When Kip describes any scientific "phenomenon" in BASIC, ORDINARY and SIMPLE language,
Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson (forever the educator) puts a cap on it with a Technical Term "reference stamp"
so all THE NERDS can go look it up and test their own Algebra if they have the time and are so inspired...
i like Kip's vocal tic, whenever he finishes a sentence he goes up in pitch saying "eeeehhhh"
I noticed it too, its funny and cute.
New drinking game discovered
that's Rick Sanchez
A little annoying listening to it constantly
@@okidoki2479 I'm sure he'll stop his uncontrollable tic just for you.
I took Kip's last class at Caltech in early 2009, it was amazing. He did mention that he was going to leave to start a second career in Hollywood.
I am immensely thankful to live in an era where I can lounge in my bed and connect with these incredible individuals! I truly hope that the younger generation feels inspired by this and strives to achieve even greater and more remarkable things! My deepest thanks!
48:00 I love this guy! He has literally tell us how to make a Wormhole... 😁👏👌
In any case I wanted to thanks Neil for bringing Kip to the audience because he truly is a gem 💎! What a truly humble and brilliant human being!!! I could be listening 🎧 to his theories for hours and hours! 🤩👏👌
the fact that UA-cam just made Interstellar free on here and Startalk has Kip Thorne himself today, is perfect timing
It’s the 10 year anniversary this year! IMAX theaters are showing it for like a week too :)
Where can I watch it on UA-cam ?
Perfectttt straight up
Early in 2009, I attended Kip's final class at Caltech, and it was fantastic. He did state that he was leaving to pursue a second Hollywood career.
I hadn't realised i needed this video all my life until now
I just re-watched this movie with my brother (it was his first time seeing it) so it's both amazing and fascinating that you get to have this conversation! I've just started watching and I'm so excited!!!
16:00 Doesn't seem like Tyson fully understands Interstellar. There was clearly a war at some point and then a era of mass starvation. There are no more armies, not many scientists at all. When Coop discovers NASA it is a massive shock to him that they even exist. So how could biologists simply solve the blight when there aren't even any biologists left. Everyone has turned to farming to try to survive, and now the blight is taking out the crops.
You’re absolutely right, some famous scientists seem incapable or unwilling to see the theme of the story and how that is balanced against the science of it. Chris Nolan will never spoon feed a plot to you and most certainly not exposition dump the science.
Agreed
Seems very possible that an aggressive generalized blight could be part of a "doomsday" biological attack.
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To me it wasn't a war, it was the consequences of this anti-science movement that you are seeing in the US, anti-vaccines, flat earthers, radical homeschooling, defunding of the ministry of education, defunding of basic science research, and denial of the consequences of global warming due to corporativism and lobbyists taking over all regulatory bodies. Economists seem to forget that the only reason that the Malthusian catastrophe was avoided was due the technological advances of the green revolution. But that has a limit, if our biomes gets catastrophically altered due to global warming, and new pathogens can mutate and also plants can only grow in a specific range of temperatures and humidity. The amount of dust in the movie shows that the soil was of very poor quality, probably due to the heat, the whole planet seemed to be in the process of desertification.
He was spelling things out in Morse code, not the first letter of the book title. He didnt need to see the title to represent dots and dashes 35:22
He used the watch somehow also
Neil is terrible for this. Dosent remember the plot and so uses misinformation to win an argument.
@@MWTGoldenGun The books said “Stay,” which was the message the daughter discovered at the beginning, then the watch also used Morse as the answer to whatever scientific problem she solved through him. It was maybe coordinates? Im fuzzy on that part.
Gaslighter
@@MWTGoldenGun The watch was used to transmit the data they had recorded from the black hole
10:04 I'm currently studying Physics after being sucked into it while trying to understand "Interstellar". It will always be my favorite movie for that
1 hr 43 min!? Lets goooo
and 05 sec
Amazing ❤
that's what I'm saying! I've been waiting for this long form content
I love how Kip debunked all Neil's concerns about Interstellar (blithe, Miller's planet, time dilation, etc).
Appreciate that he also talked about Contact which is also one of my favorite movies.
Super nice conversation. It almost feels like Neil realized / appreciated again how brilliant Kip is.
I love Neil but if I remember correctly he was using binary when pushing the books out to communicate.I think the thin slots were 0 and the thicker slots were 1 and that's how he was able to get the coordinates to NASA.
My favourite movie. Got to explain time dilation, as per what was happening in the movie, to my young daughter who was absolutely fascinated. A movie that is both fascinating and educational.
So Neal ... you presented before Kip Thorne without properly reading his book ... and he was really graceful about it. What a man and a scientist !
Wow, right on time for the 10th anniversary and re-release of Interstellar.
Going back to my many re-reads of A Brief History of Time, I have always wanted to know more about Kip Thorne. Thank you so much Star Talk.
I used to get confused between Leonard suskind and kip thorne but then kip thorne's "aaahha" made me remember him precisely
I don’t understand less than half of what they are saying but I would watch it all day!
TG! Billions of streaming services and I finally found something to watch.
Dr Thorne is a brilliant man. Ligo was his brainchild 40 odd yrs ago. It took that long for all the different areas of focus to catch up scientifically to actually build it. What an amazing time to be alive.
For those who have only just watched Interstellar, i recommend you watch the special features on the Bluray. if any of you still buy Physical Media(which you most definitely should be)
The extras are amazing and again educational, and you get more Kip Thorne.
You're an absolute treasure Neil.
except this guy cant admit biological males have advantages in sports over biological females
I love these two! But please 🙏🥺 Neil don't give the poor Kip a hard time at that age, because he is literally one of my 🔝 21 century heros not just for the Nobel prize 🏆👏 but for be available of inspiring an entire generation with that great (literally my all time favorite) movie called Interstellar'
He does come off to have some ego issues to me personally. Always trying to interrupt to prove someone wrong and says racial comments every other episode that aren't necessary.
OMG It's Kip. Watching immediately!!!
This was amazing. I'm going to have to watch again for the finer details.
THIS WILL BE A BANGER
Finally a longer episode!! ❤
Fantastic conversation, I could not step away for a second.
He didn't use the books to spell words. Didn't he tug on the strings in the tesseract so the seconds hand on the watch would tick a certain way (like a Morse Code)?
Add subtitles please!
Aren't there apps that will display spoken words as subtitles? You might need a separate phone (or not) but that might work.
That was an awesome interview. And I followed about 95% of it. Interstellar gets better with every watch.
i followed the other 5%... but just that much... the rest is lost to me..
0:28 That's one of the greatest quote I've ever heard.
I like " Einstein was kind of smart".
...kinda smart... had me rolling!!!
"You can't trust quotes from the internet"
-Abraham Lincoln
i love that quote especially because it came from Newton who was a cocky guy but still had to remain humble.
I do work (software dev) with the Interstellar soundtrack on repeat. Play it all from start to finish, Neil :)
I guess I should finally go watch Interstellar 😬
And you can enjoy watching several times, discovering new details😉
You should for sure! And you'll love It! 😊❤
Watched it for the first time a few weeks ago. Amazing movie
I'm going to have to watch it again😂
I cry every time I watch it 😭
Kip's Interstellar book is pretty good and answers more than you can wish for. Also, his book "Black Holes and Time Warps" is one of the best popular science books I've read. I always wished that Kip would've written more!
Wow. Thank you for this. I appreciate you both.
Having watched it this week, this could not be timed more perfectly!
Thank you for spreading science in such a relatable and engaging manner. I hope to enjoy the movie soon and continue learning from your insightful analyses!
I read Black Holes and Time Warps the year it came out when I was in college. So delightful to hear him talking about his work.
Kip Thorne convinced me to buy his book!
The fact NDT adores Real Genius makes me so happy for some reason. Literally one of my favorite movies from when I was a kid. I saw it in theaters and was obsessed with the movie and especially science after. Glad to hear Neil also loved the movie and that's just awesome.
Dr. Tyson, I’ve been pondering the fate of the universe and wanted to share an idea for your thoughts. What if dark energy behaves like an all-dimensional rubber band-stretching spacetime outward but eventually snapping back? This could align with Ekpyrotic and Cyclic Universe models, where expansion leads to contraction and a Big Bounce. It’s fascinating to imagine dark energy as a dynamic, reversible force rather than a constant driver of eternal expansion.
Do you think this kind of framing could help us understand how dark energy evolves-or is it just a playful metaphor? Would love to hear your take!
Edit: I posted this as it is related to black holes in the sense that with the rubber band idea, all black holes would eventually converge, bringing all matter into a singularity again.
What a treasure chest of knowledge Kip Thorne is. Such an entertaining and interesting episode.
This is amazing, I literally watched the movie a 2nd time last night for no apparent reason before this podcast was released then wake up and see this interview with Kip Thorne. 😮
4:17 “well, relatively” would’ve been hilarious
Man, this was awesome! Appreciate all the efforts getting this meeting filmed. Historic!
Interstellar is so great in so many different ways and I often watch it with my daughter and the relation between father and daughter in the movie is very deep, beautiful and touching ❤
I Cannot get enough of this guy. What a legend
Wow!! Ask and you shall receive. Per a longer video, thank you so very much ❤
I tried reading that book "Gravitation" and it blew me out of the water. It's worth the struggle to get through it, but it is extremely difficult chewing, definitely not for the faint of heart.
FYI: Interstellar is being shown around the US in 70mm IMAX!
I'm lucky to be going next week.
Only 12 of those theaters in the US. Two near me.👍👍
When you bought a copy of the DVD you got a frame of the 70mm film.
Kip is amazing. The humility he has is definitely not a common trait in your guys' field. Neil - read your guests' books man. :)
My head hurts while listening to this. Thanks startalk for making this episode🎉
Not very often do you get to see Neil on the side of being mind blown! Love it
It happened. Kip and Neil. We've been blessed. Thank you universe
Thank-you for such a well done talk with such a remarkable person. The title attracted me as I am huge fan of Interstellar and Christopher Nolan, but the rest of talk was a huge unexpected treat. All I can do is say thank-you very much.
This conversation gave me goosebumps. Wonderful.
How can I "like" this video twice?
Two legends of today's physics, great episode!
Been waiting for this video no cap
What a fantastic and informative interview! It still blows my mind as to just how smart some people, like Kip Thorne, truly are. It's more than worth the time investment to see/hear the how and why of what's what when it's explained by someone as brilliant as Kip Thorne, even with having to abide by the "Tyson Quirks" scattered throughout the interview.
What technological or scientific breakthroughs would be necessary to create and stabilize a wormhole for practical use, even if time travel remained theoretical?
Antimatter
Interstellar Amazon Prime delivery
Two simple things; a wormhole creator and a wormhole stabilizer, of course... 😂
Schools are technology..right?
I feel the breakthrough has to be on education, since we are too focused (as a group) to dopamine but not practicality and functionality as a source of happiness, so too much time is lost on entertainment in a bad way (I read that 90% of the internet is adult 3X entertainment, for ex.) I think that many minds will start enjoying engineering and science and just thinking long term, we as species are smart but not many individuals are really that smart in all areas, so if you improve enough people the IQ just a little, humanity improvements skyrocket, we are losing time now fighting with people who are refuting proven laws of physics so imagine using those resources to develop something useful
Not gonna lie. This is one of the COOLEST convos I’ve heard on a podcast.
Oh my, Kip Thorne, WOW! He is regarded by me as one of the greatest minds alive today. Thank you!
Huge respect to this guy! Really excited about the book on LIGO.
I was literally chatting with my AI about interstellar and the impossibilities after just rewatching the movie, and then you upload this.
“Oh, yes we do” 😂 Loved this conversation!!
Star Talk was never bad, but it just keeps getting better!!
Really loved that! Thank you all 😎👍
I could listen to these two talk for hours
tfw literally just now finished watching interstellar (procrastinating on my finals) and this shows up on my feed smh
I am extremely impressed to hear that you were a student of John Wheeler. I am under the impression that you are on a quest to achieve the scope and then breadth of his imagination. And in my opinion, you are well on the way. Thank you for doing what you do.
Most interesting and entertaining 100 minutes I've had in a long time.
Very satisfied to get his time dilation explanation. Been wondering about that since I first saw the movie. Nolan made him go and rethink 'real math' 🤣 Even Kip was so surprised it would work if the black hole was spinning. Amazing
Great show will watch again!
35:08 Kip is right when he said Neil was wrong. The book titles had nothing to do with making the message "stay." He spelled it in morse code, one book left a small gap indicating a dot, consecutive books pushed out together left a larger gap, indicating a dash. The girl has the word "stay" written in her book with the morse code beside it.
This was a fantastic talk. Thank you!
By pushing out books he creates gaps in the bookshelf. Murph tracked the size of each gap and noticed they were either small (1-2 books gone) or large (5-9 books gone). Interpreting small gaps as dots and large gaps as dashes yields:
...-.--.--
STAY
And hans zimmer, the creator of the movie’s soundtrack, literally wrote “stay” in morse when he was writing the music so anyone who knows morse can hear the word
I have been fascinated by time for as long as I can remember, the subject is awe inspiring however the fact that there is an active credible and certified professor who has stated his belief that he has nearly there with going back in time frankly scares me to death and I am dumbfounded that he is allowed to even voice this to anyone, I would appreciate any explanation for this thanks
Based on my laymen’s concept of physics, and trying to boil it down to what “interstellar” was trying to say, I remembered a documentary by Brian Green about gravitation, in which he made the point that gravity was the weakest of the fundamental forces, and that a theory existed that the reason for that might be that, of all the basic forces in Physics, it alone may act over more than than one universe at a time, thus making it appear weaker in any one continuum. So, when the spaceship captain was rearranging books on his daughter’s bookshelves, etc, he was showing that love was like gravity that way. It had a footprint in multiple geometries.
Tyson getting repeatedly called out by thorne for not reading his book was hilarious, but cant blame neil tho, did u see that phone book he wrote
Black holes represent one of the most intriguing phenomena in astrophysics, combining extreme gravity, spacetime distortion, and untapped cosmic potential. Their event horizons offer a glimpse into the limits of our understanding of physics, where Einstein's general relativity and quantum mechanics seem to collide. For interstellar time travel, black holes could serve as both obstacles and opportunities. The intense warping of spacetime near a black hole might theoretically enable phenomena like time dilation, as depicted in Interstellar, where seconds near a black hole translate to years elsewhere.
This tantalizing possibility opens a window into the future of cosmic exploration and perhaps even human survival beyond Earth. Harnessing such extreme environments for time travel or wormhole navigation requires breakthroughs in physics, particularly in unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics. Yet, black holes remain a double-edged sword; they are both cosmic wonders and formidable threats.
Their study not only pushes the boundaries of scientific inquiry but also challenges us to imagine new frontiers of human potential, where interstellar journeys and even glimpses into the past or future could one day be reality. The key lies in advancing our understanding of spacetime and developing the technology to safely approach and utilize these cosmic powerhouses.
But can we first figure out how the brain creates consciousness?
What do you call the tick or speech impediment that Kip has? I thought i was missing dialogue for a bit until I realized
35:22 he was doing morse code. Hes a former pilot so he had to know morse. 4/4 kip
when I saw this on my feed I got so excited omg
Excellent conversation!! Thank you.
Great one! Such a great mind who contributed to humanity. Wow so humble! That is bedazzling!!!❤
Your hard work is a blessing.
The question on blight is still troubling. Even if it was a generalised vicious blight, then no matter what planet humans migrated to, wouldn't the blight also come with them...since they are still reliant on earth based crops?
the humility that the Kip Thorne has must be bound to the wisdom that he holds
What a treat this was
Rotating black holes don’t just bend space time, they create space time loops in a spiral motion. Making TIME TRAVEL POSSIBLE
Nice, which Scifi movie did you hear this from?
Interstellar is the best movie ever made in my opinion!!! I am so excited for this. I already have the book by Kip Thorne about the science in the movie ❤
35:20 Cooper can see the other side of the book shelf if he turns back. Remember he can see the room from all angles? And hence he can see the book titles too (hoping he has very good eye - because he has to see the length of full room).
The information paradox assumed that black holes are built from mass bending spacetime, but actually the maths was backwards, and black holes are made from negative mass folding away the mass. Negative mass grows when mass evaporates so there is no information paradox. This all goes back to the Cavendish Experiment which got the physics backwards, because two objects were moving towards negative mass holes that are at the centre of all particles, and lead towards the centre of the total object mass. The Cavendish Experiment is an invisible set of physics that should never have been called an observation at all. It's the same with magnetism as well, it's invisible it isn't observable, and it's gravity being pushed out at the north end of the magnet.. so a bar magnet works like a vacuum cleaner, but with scaled down gravity instead of air. There are not 4 forces, there is just one force, and it's gravity. You just replace all the forces with what gravity is actually doing at that position. Scientists should actually learn to observe before they say that they have used observation... on invisible stuff.