Doctor Who: Classic 6x7: "The War Games" Parts 9-10 | FINALE REACTION!!
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I always feel Jamie gets such a sad ending. Jamie forgets his first love in Victoria, Zoe who is like a sister to him, his best friend ever in the Doctor, all the progress he made where he even works with Redcoats in this story. Now he goes back.
Two's reaction to his choices is basically the fans reaction to every new actor playing the Doctor.
One last point. This is one of the stories that is why I have the theory that Time Lords usually choose their appearance before they regenerate but the Doctor usually does it as they are dying. So it is like buying a last minute gift, you're stuck with what you can get.
The "regeneration" sequence was filmed at the beginning of production of The War Games. Jon Pertwee wasn't cast until a few days before they recorded episode 7.
The medallion worn by the War Chief was previously worn by Zephon in "The Daleks' Master Plan".
12:57 This shot is actually a retake of a shot from Fury from the Deep, but since Fury from the Deep went missing most reconstructions use this shot from The War Games instead.
They had not yet cast the Third Doctor at the time of filming and so could not film a complete regeneration. They offered the part to Ron Moody (Fagin in 'Oliver!', 1968) but he declined the role, a decision that he said he later regretted. Doctor Who writer Bob Baker (creator of K-9) cast Moody as the good sorcerer Rothgo in the 1980s fantasy/timetravel series 'Into the Labyrinth'. More than you wanted to know.
Ron Moody would have been a brilliant Doctor. Still, I'm glad we got Pertwee in the end - he was "my" Doctor back in the day, and he was great... as Alex and Dad will soon find out. Can't wait :)
In the novel TimeWyrm: Exodus we learn that the War Chief was so badly damaged by the lasers that he could only partially regenerate and was left with a deformed, disfigured body.
Bernard Horsfall played Lemeul Gulliver in "The Mind Robber" & Chancellor Goth in "The Deadly Assassin" which is where you probably recognise him from.
He also appeared in the films "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", "Gandhi" and "Braveheart" plus a tonne of TV shows.
Must admit I always consider him to be Chancellor Goth here. It just makes things a bit more seamless to me.
I've been looking forward to this all week and was not disappointed. I wish I had more to say but I'm really tired and am commenting mainly to assist the YT algorithm.
Second Time Lord Trevor Martin played the Doctor in the stage play "Seven Keys to Doomsday" (1974) written by Terrance Dicks. Third Time Lord Clyde Pollitt re-appeared as the Time Lord Chancellor in "The Three Doctors".
Fought 4 in The Invisible Assassin, as well.
Trivia note: A few weeks after The War Games aired (June 1969), Star Trek got its UK transmission and it ran on Saturdays in the Doctor Who slot until January 1970 when Doctor Who season 7 started.
True! I remember it well 🙂👍🏾
@@cazndave Absolutely. And have the Radio Times entries pasted in a well-loved scrap book,
If your going to continue giving quick recaps of every episode everytime The Doctor regenerates then I wish you luck with the Tom Bakers era LOL
Paul McGann will either be exceptionally easy or exceptionally difficult depending on whether or not they barrel through Big Finish stuff.
@@natsmith303 and the EDA books
@@letournevisdesonic1779 True, but there's at least precedent for them covering BF where there isn't for novels.
Ya notice how the War Lord and the Doctor's last words were the same? They both kept saying no
I love your réaction videos. The fact that your father have got huge culture is very interesting. I learned so much, i think of good omens for exemple.
And of course, your vidéos are a mean to me to learn english, because i am not very good in english (i'm french)
Thanks you very much both of you !
Fandelapin: Did you know that I lived in France from 1956 to 1959? I first lived in a tiny village called Giey-sur-Aujon then later at Chaumont Air Force Base. ~Dad
@@richardlemin7840 Oh ! No i didn't know. I live in Bretagne, it's at th west, far from Chaumont. Thanks you for answering, it is a pleasure !
Have a good week 😉
@@fandelapin2971 I would love to visit that area someday. As a history teacher, there are many sites to take in. ~Dad
So pleased you liked this one. It is one of Who’s greatest moments. The ever growing sense of unease, dread, scale and revelation is palpable. Great characters, settings and writing.
And of course, the introduction of the Time Lords and the devastating denouement of the loss of the entire Tardis team.
Epic and magnificent
I've been waiting for y'all to get to this point for a while. Both because it's just a solid epic of a story which I wanted to hear your thoughts on, and so Alex can stop saying every other video, "Well, we know the Time Lords show up some time in the Second Doctor's run."
Interesting you briefly mentioned the Nuremberg Trials in comparison to the final scenes of Episode 10. The War Games is a phenomenal piece of work for Classic Who. 👍
My favorite troughton story which says goodbye (kind of) to my favourite doctor! But im so excited for you to move onwards because the pertwee years are my all time favorite era of doctor who! I wish for the dvd release they changed the sample pictures for the doctor’s new appearance with pictures of actual future doctors
‘Oh he’s too old’ pertwee
‘Well he’s too fat isnt he!’ Colin baker
‘No, he’s too thin’ tennant
‘That ones too young’ davison
‘Oh that wont do atal’ mccoy
Great analys. It is cool to see a full series reaction.
Episode 10 DESTROYED me as a 3-year-old..! I cried for days because “Doctor Who is dead!!!” 😭😭
As mentioned in one of the other comments, Star Trek premiered the following Saturday so that kept me distracted and entertained for a while until Pertwee arrived the following January.
Weirdly, considering how devastated I was at losing my Doctor, I was completely completely won over by Pertwee about 15 minutes into Spearhead from Space. So fickle!! 🙄
To be fair, I’ve kind of been repeating this pattern ever since!!
Im not surprised, its a horrible thing to end on, him vanishing down into a void , so eerie and unfair!
The reason Three can navigate the TARDIS isn't just because the Time Lords let him, it's because he spends his exile taking the TARDIS apart and actually learns how it works. If he didn't do that once the TLs allowed him to operate it again he would still be flying it randomly.
The War Chief was initially intended by writers and implied to be an incarnation of the Master, however the EU has largely shifted from this opinion and the War Chief is now generally agreed to be Magnus, another one of the Doctor's academy friends.
The TLs who try the Doctor are actually CIA agents, far more comfortable with interference and incredibly shady. The CIA may be the Division from Timeless Children and the familiar TL is Chancellor Goth from Deadly Assassin
Except in Daleks Master Plan it's confirmed the reason he can't steer is because the navigation is broken. So presumably the Time Lords fixed it.
@@MuchWhittering Considering how the 12th Doctor was able to pilot the 1st Doctor’s TARDIS perfectly during Twice upon a time, I get the feeling that the doctor was just making up excuses to hide the fact that he had no idea what he was doing.
18:41 the amount of times I've seen that clip but with future Doctors added in instead.
49:30 I wouldn't say there's no budget. It's just used somewhat differently. Also colour production costs more than B&W.
I always had it in my head that the War Chief was the Master and somehow he managed to regenerate after the Time Lords left.
It's also made abundantly clear why the Doctor left Gallifrey. The Doctor’s mantra has always been the importance of free will and making up your own mind, a theme that the writers came back to time and again in stories like ‘The Macra Terror’, ‘The Evil of the Daleks’ and ‘Fury From the Deep’. The Time Lords rule of non-interference (which, interestingly, is shown to be pretty easily altered later on…) sits in direct contrast to the Doctor's beliefs and it makes sense that he wouldn't bow to their ridiculous rules because the Doctor has always been shown to be an anarchist. he's learned through his travelling around the universe and people like Ian and Barbara the importance of standing up against the evils of the universe and fighting them. All of this ties in perfectly with the Doctor’s character and gives great reasons and explanations for why he left Gallifrey and why he doesn't ever want to return. This story does a great job of setting up the conflict between the Time Lords and the Doctor because it immediately establishes their morals and beliefs as being diametrically opposed. This is also why it’s very appropriate that this Doctor’s era, which has been defined by big scary monsters and otherworldly threats, comes to an end at the hands of a corrupt, oppressive system instead. The Doctor’s greatest fear isn’t being killed by a Cyberman or Dalek, it’s his freedom being stripped away and becoming a part of the system instead of being an individual. All of this also gives the second Doctor a great final speech explaining why he does what he does. It's a great character defining moment and it's fitting the second Doctor goes out as defiant as possible.
The Time Lords somewhat relenting and allowing the Doctor to be in exile on Earth to fight off any threats is pretty interesting too. The fact that they allowed this is pretty suspicious imo. With how quickly they changed their mind, I honestly don’t think they ever intended to keep the Doctor as a prisoner at all. The trial was simply a PR stunt, a show of power and a way to keep up the pretence that they don’t want to interfere. It says a lot about them that they’ll allow the Doctor to interfere with history, as long they’re in control. The Time Lords are immediately established as corrupt, unprincipled and self-serving. It’s no spoiler to say that all of this will be explored in more detail (y'all have seen 'The Deadly Assassin') by the show in the years to come. No matter their true intentions, forcing the Doctor to regenerate again is an incredibly bleak way for this story and era to end. The viewers are given no reassurances; they simply watch the Doctor drift away into a black void screaming in absolute terror. They had to wait six whole months to find out the answers to all their questions, by far the longest gap between episodes up to this point. I love the bravery the writers showed in doing it like this because it ensured the second Doctor’s tragic fate had maximum impact. With all that being said, the Doctor’s fate isn’t entirely unjustified. The Doctor always turns up and stops the immediate crisis, sometimes by any means possible. This Doctor isn’t above lying and manipulating people around him to ensure things go his way (perhaps he’s more like the Time Lords than he cares to admit…). Most of the time they do and he saves the day, but then just leaves. Often without even saying a goodbye. He never bothers to deal with the aftermaths. Here he’s forced to do so and he fails. Spectacularly. He’s left with no choice other than to call in the very people he’s been running away from all this time. This story exposes the Doctor’s greatest failing up to this point, failing to take responsibility for his actions and always running away instead. The Time Lords definitely have ulterior motives for grounding the Doctor on Earth, but I think it also serves as an important lesson for the Doctor and a wake up call for him that maybe he needs to change his ways. In some ways, it oddly feels like the Doctor deserves the punishments he gets. I mean, the way he loses almost proves the Time Lords right that he shouldn’t interfere and that if he must, he needs a guiding hand from them as help. On to the third Doctor and season 7 now! The best season/series in the show’s entire history. I can’t wait!
What a brilliant end to this story. The war games section of this story concludes very satisfyingly with all of the people we've got to know taking over the alien's base. It has a really wonderful underdogs win the day vibe to it. I also love how this story is a reversal of the traditional base under siege stories you find in the second Doctor’s era, with the Doctor and the resistance acting as the invading force to the alien’s base this time. Quite a fitting send off to this era I think. The War Chief and the Security Chief's arc was great too. The way the SC caught out the WC was great and made all the scenes of them bickering actually mean something. I always rooted for the WC over the SC though, I think it's because the WC was an outsider and the SC was the status quo. SC was also all cold, emotionless logic, while the WC had a magnetic charisma about him. What I also love is how the story's tone changes from the feeling of triumph over the war games ending to the Doctor having to call in the time lords. You couldn't ask for a better introduction to them than this. They're genuinely intimidating here with their God like powers (which they rarely ever use, which opens up some interesting questions around religion that I don't care to get into at this time...) and the fear the Doctor has in trying to escape from them really sells them as a proper threat. Then the way they deal with the War Lord and all his people is seriously frightening too. Not to mention what they do to poor old Jamie and Zoe…
All of the reveals we get about the Doctor's backstory are also a very satisfying pay-off to six seasons of build-up. We've had hints before, the Doctor saying he and Susan are exiled from their own planet in 'An Unearthly Child' and then saying he can never go back home at the end of 'The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve'. There's also when he tells Polly that she's lucky she's got back home because he never has at the end of 'The Faceless Ones' and then in the very next story he tells Victoria that he might take everyone back to his own planet if the Daleks win. There’s also the bit in ‘The Mind Robber’, when Gulliver says the Master has accused the Doctor of treason and the Doctor responds with “treason again. Really”. In hindsight you could argue that he’s referring to the Time Lords there. I love the way they re-contextualise the Doctor's travels over the last six seasons as constantly being on the run from the Time Lords and it actually makes sense and fits with what has come before! This is the way to do ret cons, take the characters to interesting new places, but still make the changes fit in what’s already been established. There’s a more recent, canon shifting alteration that could’ve learned a thing or two from what was done in this story…
This is the greatest Time Lord story ever made. Here the Time Lords are terrifying. Such a sad scene with Jamie and Zoe saying goodbye. Seeing the Doctor fall into a void shouting No! is such a bleak and chilling end. Sad that this is the end for Black & White and The Second Doctor. I’d give this story 10/10. Great reactions.
There was a Doctor Who role playing game in the mid-1980s, which established that both the Meddling Monk and the War Chief were earlier incarnations of the Master, That sounded like it made a lot of sense, especially after seeing both characters on VHS years later. It’s a pity that the novels and Big Finish establish they are all different Time Lords, though the TV show hasn’t addressed that either way, so who knows?
Trevor Martin who played one of the Time Lords (the one who psychically attacked the War Lord at his trial), played an alternate version of the Fourth Doctor in the 1974 stage play Doctor Who and the Seven Keys to Doomsday, and the audio adaptation of the play by Big Finish, year’s later.
I mean the Monk being a different character makes a lot of sense to me given how his main goals and personality are almost completely different to the Master’s (although granted, the Master’s plan during the King’s demons is akin to a Meddling Monk scheme).
The Doctor should have started with the Chumblies.
Great job on finishing the last of the Second Doctor.
Now on to series 6B. 😉
Power of the daleks - 8/10
The highlanders - 5/10
Underwater menace - 3/10
The moonbase - 7/10
The macra terror - 6/10
The faceless ones - 8/10
Evil of the daleks - 8/10
Tomb of the cybermen - 8/10
Abominable snowmen - 7/10
The ice warriors - 6/10
Enemy of the world - 8/10
The web of fear - 9/10
Fury from the deep - 6/10
The wheel in space - 5/10
The dominators - 7/10
The mind robber - 8/10
The invasion - 9/10
The krotons - 3/10
The seeds of death - 8/10
The space pirates - 4/10
The war games - 9/10
It's been a long journey getting here, but that's half the fun. To address some of the things you speculate about in this video:Terrance Dicks did indeed write a truly staggering number of children's books. He started out writing novelizations of Doctor Who stories, then branched out into original stories. Bernard Horsfall looks familiar because he played Gulliver in The Mind Robber. He also plays a Time Lord named Goth (presumably the same Time Lord) in The Deadly Assassin, which I think you've already seen. As to the last time we had a scene inside the TARDIS, it was in The Seeds of Death. We've also been inside the TARDIS in this season in The Mind Robber and The Invasion. As for why The Doctor mentions the Quarks, I think Derrick Sherwin (who'd taken over as Producer at this point) still held out hope that the Quarks were going to become the next big thing in Doctor Who, a pretty delusional hope, considering the writers who had created them had left the series and essentially told him to go screw himself.
Will you redux Evil of the Daleks when the animation is released next month?
Probably not.
In Silver Nemesis, Sylvester McCoy imitates the security chief to brainwash/hypnotise a bodyguard to escape a predicament. A nice unexpected touch
I realise I am way too late, but... thank you for doing this! I had enjoyed re-going through Second Doctor's era with your reactions, and you had even helped me to re-value a few episodes (for example, I had considered "The Seeds of Death" pretty mediocre story on my first watching, but after re-watching it along with your reaction... I now consider it to be the best 6-part story of the entire Two's era.) Good luck with Three's era for you!
I remember being heartbroken that Pat's Doctor was treated like this and really hated the Time Lords for it. Very glad that Zoe and Jamie survived though - especially Zoe, but I had rather fallen for her! - Ahem, sorry Jamie! Just to say though, when I see several of Pat's Doctor on the screen at once though, I think there may be some extra Time Lord funny business going on! As Jess is so fond of putting it, shenanigans!
@Thomas Meehan Well, the observation was more in the realm of the comment domain than directed toward Alex or Richard. Although, it's not impossible that Alex has heard of her, although, naturally, avoiding her actual reactions because they'd spoil his own.
I don't watch many of her videos and I wouldn't have known by calling her Jess. That said, I have liked what I've seen! She's good!
@@7thHourFilms Hi Alex. Maybe you've seen a compilation - a celebration - of her reactions, starting with bewilderment along the lines of "What is this thing I'm watching?" to overexcited, hyper-emotional Whovian! However, that's Jess and she's fond of the word 'shenanigans'!
She also made a video on her first attempt at making Jammie Dodgers.
@@7thHourFilms You're catching up on her, she only does 2 eps at a time.
As you probably know, it's after this point that Season 6B rears its pretty little head. The idea stems from a reference book from the 1990s, and postulates that after the events of The War Games the Second Doctor starts to work for the Celestial Intervention Agency (or a Division of same, possibly). This is seemingly backed up by later TV stories, plus even later short stories, novels and audio dramas. Most telling perhaps is the series of comic strip adventures that were printed in TV Comic between the end of this story and Pertwee's first. The final TV Comic adventure, known as The Night Walkers, does seem to lead into Spearhead from Space.
However, I think the Second Doctor is further regenerated into the Fugitive Doctor from Series 12. There is plenty of on-screen evidence to back this up, the only real sticking point being the Fugitive's lack of recognition when it comes to the sonic screwdriver. However, this could simply be because she's only just got her memory back and doesn't remember using one in the past.
Until proved otherwise, that's my headcanon.
We didn't see a transition to Pertwee because he hadn't yet been cast. As I've mentioned before, this left the Doctor Who comic in a difficult position as they had a long gap to fill without a new Doctor and so Season 6B appeared. Conveniently, this fits in with some later events which I'll mention when the time comes...
The budget wasn't particularly cut but it had to be spent in a different way to support the transition to colour which inevitably puts more pressure on sets etc; black and white low res video standards (405 lines compared to 625 lines) covered a lot of sins!
'The War Games' notes :
Episode Nine: Viewing figures = 4.1 million. Chart position = 91.
Episode Ten: Viewing figures = 5.0 million. Chart position = 66.
Recording dates: 5, 12 June 1969.
Studios: BBC Television Centre TC6 andTC8 .
Transmission dates : 14, 21 June 1969.
Jon Pertwee was announced to the UK press on 17th June - a mere 4 days before the transmission of Episode Ten.
BBC Audience Research reports for 'The War Games' were generally favourable : "all the better for the absence of inhuman creatures". Many viewers expressed praise for Patrick Troughton and were sorry that he was leaving. It was hoped that the new Doctor would prove to be as effective as he had been.
Following a two-week break for coverage of tennis at Wimbledon, on 12th July the Saturday teatime slot saw the transmission of 'Where No Man Has Gone Before', the first UK showing of an episode from the 'new' series 'Star Trek'.
BBC One begins the transition to colour in November 1969, although some studios take time to have the new camera equipment installed, leading to such memorable continuity announcements as : "This is BBC One in colour! And now, part one of this week's 'Z Cars' story... which is in black-and-white..."
However, it would be some years before the majority of the UK audience actually owned colour television sets, so for many their viewing experience had not changed.
Examples of BBC continuity for 17th November 1969 may be found here... ua-cam.com/video/2T6HgurIIvs/v-deo.html
In the Sound of Drums, the outfit that the child master wears during the flashback to him looking into the time vortex was the same one the Time Lords were wearing in this episode.
Cool easter egg, but it raises a question: what the fuck was the Doctor thinking when he saw that the Time Lords officiating his trial were dressed like schoolboys?
28:03 The limited life-span referred specifically to the time control units in earlier models than the War Chief's SIDRAT
DOCTOR: In my day these things were impossible to achieve without shortening the life of the time control units
CHIEF: There have been many advances made in space time technology
DOCTOR: Yes, there must have been
They're talking about life-spans in the sense that any machine part has a limited usable life, so this isn't referring to TARDISes or SIDRATs as living beings. This really didn't happen in _The Edge of Destruction,_ either, except in that the TARDIS "A.I." (as we'd call it today) gave it a semblance of sentience, and there's one line where Ian says "The controls are alive!". However, Ian meant "alive" metaphorically and/or in the old-fashioned sense that we'd now say that something is "live" (i.e. electrically charged).
In the Classic era, TARDISes were clearly machines, and there's ample evidence of this - components made of metal, plastic, glass, copious cables and wires (etc) - and no matter how smart TARDISes might seem, references to their being sentient and/or alive were invariably metaphorical. The idea of TARDISes being literally "organically" alive is a NuWho idea... and it was a very silly and unnecessary one, in my opinion.
I don't get too bothered with matters of lore/canon as a rule, but I make an exception in this case. There are sound physical and biological reasons why time/space travelling machines would have to be mechanical and inorganic, so Neil Gaiman's woo-woo idea of turning TARDISes into living beings really annoyed me. This is Doctor Who, after all, not Harry Potter or Disney :)
It is exactly the same thing. TARDISes are not alive as we are. The only two other examples are Mother boxes from DC, or Data from Star Trek.
@@shauntempley9757 Indeed, they're not alive as we are, or any other evolved being is for that matter. However, that hasn't stopped some people from taking The Doctor's Wife literally, to the extent where Thirteen was viciously attacked for "murdering" a TARDIS.
@@ftumschk At the end of death in heaven the doctor beats the crap out of the Tardis console, is that domestic abuse?
@@booradley8895 I guess it would, to those misguided enough to believe that TARDISes are literally living creatures, but luckily I'm not one of them :) They're machines - they always were, and both science and logic say that they should be.
@@ftumschk Well, it is not out of possibility that TARDISes started out with artificial intelligence -- which allows them to repair the time travel controls, and which was an issue in this story with the SIDRATs -- then developed actual, true intelligence with each repair.
It is this critical development that the Doctor misses during that discussion over the War Chief's vehicles.
Classic Who stories hinted at this happening at some point between the Type 1's, which were all described as infantile in nature, and Type 40's, which all Time Lords at some point considered very difficult to use.
That intelligence could have taken hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years to evolve with each repair to every individual TARDIS over that time, before the Doctor first left Gallifrey with his TARDIS.
The Doctor's Wife story just means that it is possible for true intelligent life to evolve in this franchise, as I described, going by the Time Lord's advanced knowledge, as shown by their powerful display when they showed up in this story.
In Star Trek, or any other sci fi franchise, that will never happen, unless it was biological life to begin with.
Terrance Dicks not only did an awesome job on this he wrote it with almost no time at the last minute when another story fell through when they needed the 10-parter to fill the end of the series
Amazing finale.
James Bree who played the Security Chief was a close friend of Peter Cushing. Sadly James had a stroke later and was unable to speak for the rest of his life. Thus ending his acting career.
10:50 Both appear in the novel Players with the Sixth Doctor 😉
24:20 The novel World Game actually retcons the ending to be that the Doctor was sentenced to death!
IT HAS BEEN IMPLIED THAT THE DOCTOR WAS ONE OF THE FIRST RUNAWAYS AND OTHERS WERE INSPIRED TO FOLLOW SUIT LATER
"This may or may not be a shorter video than last time." I'm gonna go with may not.
Pertwee had been cast at this point, and in fact he was announced to the public a few weeks before the final episode aired. So yeah, I agree it's a bit odd they didn't show the transition.
The budget thing is interesting, because during the 3rd Doctor's era, the budgets actually started to go up a lot. Colour TV licenses cost way more money, so every year, as more people bought colour TVs, the BBC had way more money. I believe the producer Barry Letts said that they would intentionally overspend every year, knowing they'd just get a slap on the wrist, and a raised budgets for the next year. And eventually he just convinced them to give them more money from the get go instead of having to coerce them like that.
It's just occurred to me there are a lot of 3rd Doc stories I've not watched. I should probably get around to it before you do.
1:30:20 It's funny you mentioned that. One of the 9th Doctor audios they just released has a Roman legion ending up in London in WW2, and after slaughtering a load of the locals, thinking they're the enemy. A lot of them get slaughtered by machine guns. The Doctor has to talk to them with the TARDIS translation to help, and he can't get it through to them that this is a fight the Romans cannot possibly win.
I guess it depends on whether Pertwee had signed his contract by the time the final episode was filmed, rather than when it was broadcast.
@@ftumschk Pertwee was cast the day before Episode 7 was filmed. I bet they could have rushed him into Episode 10 if they'd wanted to.
@@MuchWhittering ...b-b-b-but then we wouldn't have Season 6B!!! Seriously, thanks for the info :)
The Warlords might’ve been released during the Time War.
Time Lords at their best
If you're interested in doing a bit of reading, on my channel I've uploaded two Jamie McCrimmon related stories that I've written. One's a two part comic book style story and the other is, what I call, a pause to read story titled The Highlander's Nightmare, which is about an old Jamie McCrimmon and his granddaughter.
My favourite Troughton story is The Ice Warriors and my least favourite (this is a bit controversial) is The Evil of the Daleks - I've just never enjoyed that one at all but I'm hoping that the upcoming animated version might change my mind. Whatever the truth of the budget situation I certainly don't think you'll find that the Pertwee era looks cheap as they spent their money very cleverly and a lot of the Earth based stories look pretty impressive. :)
This story shows that it is possible to produce an engaging long form serial even on 1960s Doctor Who budgets--given the right script and good direction. Sadly, we rarely got that combination and, while poor direction can ruin a good script, even the best director cannot rescue a terrible script.
To be fair. we've not really had too many terrible scripts but there have been plenty of instances where budget meant stretching the material a bit too far--and the direction wasn't able to work around the issue.
Great reaction as always however I disagree with you about The Celestial Toymaker and The Power of the Daleks though they are classics.
How Jamie joined the Doctor in The Highlanders he was offered by Polly if he wanted to join and she asked The Doctor if he could come and he did. Originally they filmed the scene with Jamie saying goodbye to The Doctor, Ben and Polly then Innes Lloyd the producer at the time asked Frazer Hines if he wanted to join the series so they re filmed the ending and had him join them and the clip where Jamie is sent back home no that was not from The Highlanders they used that clip just to complete the recons.
This not only the end of Patrick Troughton as The Second Doctor but also the last with Jamie and Zoe. The introduction of the Time Lords. Last episode to be broadcast in the 1960s and also the last to be filmed in Black and White the most epic Doctor Who story in my humble opinion.
I don’t think they cast the 3rd Doctor when this episode aired
Pertwee was announced on 17th June 1969 and this episode was broadcast on 21st June 1969.
Small nitpick when you're doing your overall comments you refer to episodes. Episodes are the individual week to week broadcasts. You're commenting on stories
Jesus, 1 hour and 41 minutes?! What could you guys possibly talk about for this long, lol? Guess I'll have to find out...
*EDIT* I have to say these end of era story recaps are interesting, but also frustrating in some ways. Y'all clearly struggle to remember the plots of a lot of the stories, which isn't necessarily a problem, until y'all end up giving far less positive opinions on some of the stories than you had in the actual reactions. I'm specifically referring to 'The Dominators', 'The Mind Robber', 'The Krotons' and 'The Space Pirates'. All stories that y'all liked in the reactions, but ended up trashing them here for some reason. Even 'Fury From the Deep' to some extent because all of the explanations that y'all seemed to think were absent were in actual fact all there in the story.... There's also how y'all praised Robson in the actual reaction (y'all even compared him favourably to Jarvis, the stubborn leader from the very next story, and how much better Robson was in comparison) and thought he was a well written character, but here y'all seemed to think he took away from the story. The only explanation I can think of is that y'all were just confusing him with Jarvis. Still, at least y'all stayed consistent with your praise for the rest of the story. I remember Alex once saying to not really take these recaps that seriously and stick to the opinions expressed in the actual reactions and I definitely think I will in this case and from now on tbh...
Anyway, here's my personal ranking and ratings out of 10 for every Troughton story, best to worst. 'The War Games' (10/10), 'The Power of the Daleks' (10/10), 'The Enemy of the World' (9/10), 'Fury From the Deep' (9/10), 'The Evil of the Daleks' (9/10), 'The Mind Robber' (8.5/10), 'The Web of Fear' (8.5/10), 'The Tomb of the Cybermen' (8.5/10), 'The Invasion' (8.5/10), 'The Macra Terror' (8/10), The Faceless Ones' (7.5/10), 'The Seeds of Death' (7.5/10), 'The Abominable Snowmen' (7/10), 'The Ice Warriors' (7/10), 'The Moonbase' (7/10), 'The Highlanders' (7/10), 'The Space Pirates' (7/10), 'The Krotons' (6.5/10), 'The Wheel in Space' (6.5/10), 'The Underwater Menace' (6/10), 'The Dominators (5/10).