Where do Ontario, federal government stand after threat to pull housing funding? | Power & Politics
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- The federal government says Ontario is behind other provinces in building affordable housing, and is threatening to pull funding from the province without a new plan. Housing Minister Sean Fraser says Ontario's revised plan does not specify how the province will reach the affordable housing goal. The Power Panel weighs in.
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they need to start building apartment buildings and make them affordable rentals so people can afford to live in ontario
Doug Ford wants more roads , more cars more pollution not affordable housings
Rent control and other forms of government meddling made apartments and rentals non-viable.
Not rentals affordable housing.
@@shauncameron8390 great. Landlording as a business has no right to financial viability
@@zwicker5585
And renters have no right to complain about housing shortages and corporate investment.
Density is key to sustainability. We cant sprawl out with reckless abandon like it was the 60s.
y so such a big country
Must be a city folk. If you've ever driven in Ontario, you'd know we have enough room to do that until 3060
400 sqft apartments aren't sustainable for a healthy community to grow.
It works in the US though. They don't have density outside of a few cities' core areas, and they are the strongest country on earth. How can you defend density in the 2nd largest country on earth? We are not in Europe, we have so much land and honestly humans are not supposed live like chicken in little cages.
The cost for municipalities to maintain sprawling infrastructure with low density is unsustainable. That's why traditional, higher density downtown cores generate more tax income and cost less to maintain, all the while being more attractive and walkable for residents and tourists alike. This is the way to build sustainably moving forward.
Premier Ford looking out for his developer cronies.
I will never vote for the liberal, ndp party tax tax tax 😢🇨🇦
How is being more restrictive with zoning helping his builder buddies?
@@VK-ds2dwfour Plex builders are not the kind of developer friends he has. His want to build macmansions in the greenbelt
@@30arminda those same builders could then build 4plexes on smaller lots then those houses are built on, using cheaper materials and sell them for a pretty penny. As a builder, you'd be making more off that than those big mansions you talk about. So again, not sure how they wouldn't want that option. Seems like you're applying your political bias in your criticism rather than actually knowing what you're talking about.
...Again! And likely always. Poor Dougie
What has caused this housing crisis? Too many people but not because of birth rates. Inflation and immigration perhaps.
Bingo. Also 8 years of Trudeau
Maybe don’t forget affordable housing funding plummeting around the 90s mixed with strict zoning and the largest generation ever hitting retirement age…
The student immigrants taking sub-minimum wage jobs aren’t buying up all the houses or limiting multi-family projects…
To build more affordable houses, we need to amend zoning by law. And this requires a good public transit plan as what hampers more density is parking requirement and road structures which force people to drive. People need more options for the mobility; metro, tramway, cars, walking and biking, etc. But Ford just announced that he will give away our tax money to gas and insurance companies. This means he won’t bring any concrete public transit plans and keeps building roads and sprawl. So, it seems like Ontario will continue in its expensive high rise condominium dream by Ford and co, his developper friends.
I am having difficulty with the numbers. Even when we are talking about multi-family developments, I have rarely seen it cost less than $100/square foot to build unit, even in a high, dense, apartment building. So that is a cost of at least $100,000 per unit if each unit is only 1,000 square feet. But $350 million (the federal contribution) and the target is 20,000 units, and we assume the units are cheap and 1,000 square fee, the feds are proposing to contribute $17,500 for every $82,500 that the Provonce has to allocate to the affordable housing programme.
Not sure about your math, but it's not the Federal Governments responsibility to build housing! It's a Provincial responsibility, and thus far, Provinces have taken a "market will satisfy demand" approach to housing, which obviously hasn't worked!
There's NO MONEY in building affordable housing! The money is in building big single family homes!
I was thinking the same thing. The money the government is saying they want to give is barely a drop in the bucket of what is needed. Its not like people are getting free homes, from the government, but the money is more of an incentive... to who?? People who can't afford a down payment on a home?? No wonder the goals aren't being met, everyone is broke.
I love watching city slickers lecture people on heights of homes. A new construction 4plex will have to be tall because the lots they will be built on will be smaller (due to costs), so you're going to have builders put up 3 storey with lookout basement 10m (33ft) tall buildings next to bungalows (usually 12-14ft or so tall) post war homes. They'll stick out like sore thumbs for YEARS until the entire street is redeveloped.
Could you not allow 4-plex with zoning restrictions on height? Many countries in europe have these types of homes. This an actionable way to deal with the housing crisis
@@ryanmurray5324 the more restrictive you are in terms of zoning, the less financially viable the projects become. Hence why this is a local issue and not a provincial one. Let the municipalities decide what works for their needs. The federal and provincial governments should instead be focusing on lowering immigration and developing methods to increase natural population growth. This is fundamentally a demand issue, not a supply problem. Hence why the feds just announced a reduction in NPRs that would bring population growth levels back down to similar levels like in Harper's time in office. It's a clear admission that they messed up BADLY.
@@VK-ds2dw supply and demand are two sides of the same coin, if you increase one you have to increase the other. If you accept that more zoning = less financially viable, then you should be in favor of 4plex? The current bungalow zoning is most restrictive. It’s not clear what your proposed solution is? You can’t remove demand that’s already here
@@ryanmurray5324 I am in favor of allowing 4plexes, but I want local municipalities to do it because in some instances it shouldn't be allowed. City planning shouldn't be a free-for-all. I come from a country in Europe where that is the case and it's a disaster. They know their local area best and can increase density even more where best applicable. Some politicians in Toronto have never even heard of Norwich Ontario, so why the hell should they be deciding how that city is designed? The solution is extremely clear: lower demand (lower our rate of immigration) while maximizing incentives for builders to build (lower fees, provide low interest loans for subsidized housing, adjust zoning, etc). And yes you can remove demand, you don't renew work permits for people who are NPRs that are already here. That will make an immediate effect, literally over night.
@@VK-ds2dw makes sense, although I disagree with not renewing permits. It’s very disruptive to people who uprooted their lives coming here expecting stability, only to be pushed out
Awe, Ford’s friends and family are gonna loose MORE back-door deals money😭🙄🙄🙄
What deals..can you explain?
*lose* not *loose*
Learn English
@@adamrogers9386 Really? $8.3 BILLION backdoor deal for the green belt, the backdoor deal that saw Ontario Place under development, and the Science Center...!?
Are you purposely being obtuse?
Four questions to the Sean Fraser:
(1) What is the federal government’s definition of “affordable housing”?
(2) Who gets an “affordable home?”
(3) Who actually BUILDS these homes? And
(4) How much will this cost taxpayers like me?
ALL those questions need to be put to the Premier, not the Federal government! The fact that the Federal Government has had to step in, and work directly with municipalities to get housing built is an embarrassment to the Premier! Housing is a Provincial issue, and the provinces are shitting the bed on it!
Good questions and what are the consequences to us if more affordable housing is not available? Some I've heard is not being able to attract and keep workers because they can't find a place to live. This includes medical staff, grocery staff, restaurants and more.
The housing crisis has been caused by the federal governments policies
Use the $357M to build affordable housing on federal land. Remember, the housing crisis needs a war time effort. Pandering to the nimby population by dis-allowing 4 plex buildings is not a war time approach.
You’ll never fix housing in Ontario. Not while the tenants have so much power and the LTB taking 10-12 months.
People expecting tenants to pay for their house and bills for them without realizing what weasely leeches they're being is a massive part of the problem.
@@iunnox666, 😂 tenants thinking they should be paying less, should go get their own house then…. Oh wait they can’t, that’s why they’re renting to begin with.
I HAVEN'T been seeing him all over my social media and I am on every day.
Canada needs to build 5.8 million new homes by 2030. The municipality should decide what’s going on. Not the federal government
aaaaaannnnd they're not.....for whatever reason, municipalities are not building affordable housing, and neither is the CONSERVATIVE provincial government! To such an extent that the Federal government has had to bypass the Ford government, and work directly with municipalities to get housing built..!?
This is the responsibility of the Province, and these CONSERVATIVE governments are shitting the bed, but blaming Trudeau!
I say, BUILD BUILD BUILD. Love Sean. Best politician in the country.
He's over-stepping. It should be up to Ford to decide the integrity of the landscape and how best to address the shortage.
LMAO, Like he did with the Green Belt? Ontario Place? The Science Center? Ford is the most corrupt politician in Canada, right next to Danielle Smith!
The Ford that is under investigation for breach of trust for his building homes in the Greenbelt scandal? You want him to decide about the integrity of landscape?
Multi housing,,, ie apts, is the way to go ?
For discussion ?
Just
I wonder what kind of house the housing minister lives in and if there's any apartment building or 4plexs next to him? I mean we're living in a housing crisis right?😊
Remember, he was the one who put so much strain on the housing.
did they really put a filter on this guy? lol it's painfully obvious...
Not crucial to the topic but CBC…please spell Colombia properly. The country is spelt with an O not U. Thx
@@agodelianshock9422yea but he was in Bogota, Colombia (there is no Bogota in BC).
Holding money he stole Pierre's idea thieves abunch of them.
Don't you think that good ideas should be implemented? But Pierre Poilievre's only idea is to blame Trudeau for everything. Did he blame the Baltimore bridge collapse on Trudeau yet?
Go straight to the municipalities, and defund provincial initiatives
Can somebody show me a single four-plex that has parking for a work truck & family vehicle? Didn't think so...guess the labour shortage continues while everybody dreams of WW2-Time starter homes like they are some mythical unicorn.
Look up Renova Pvt in Ottawa. 2 storey, 2+1 bedrooms 4 plexes. Each unit has windows on 2 sides. Comes with one parking spot, more parking is available for rental if needed. It's also close to transit.
That money will disappear so fast through permits and bureaucracy even before a shovel is in the ground..
Hey kids, Trudeau doesn't care how miserable your life is now or in the future.
The Carbon Tax goes up April 1st.
Trudeau gets a raise on April 1st.
if toronto housing didnt misuse the money they are given this would be as much of a problem......I've seen it first hand in my own building. 100's of thousands of dollars to revovate an office that didnt need renovating.....another 400 k for cameras in 2 elevators when they should have put them in our stairwells
Do you think Ford knows that not all new house builds have to be 3 story towers. Like you can make a regular house. And then subsidize it for people with the most time in rentals cause they’ve payed their dues
But that would make his associates even *less* money😢
How about not sending all the money to Ottawa in the 1st place and have to beg for money sent back to your province and not have to be told by someone else how to handle your business?
Maybe think about your own home where you've invested time and money for a certain property - would you like a property with multiple families to now affect your property value. I'm sure you would think twice.
Four plexas more homes is what people need not chicken coups😮
Are you high?? It's our property not yours.
I know where they use that money, send it to Ukraine, which is no conditions at all 😢
Will negatively affe t the conservatives!
Is this going to branch out to other provinces? Very little provinces have hit their housing quotas'. This isn't because of provincial decisions, this because of lack of Federal government funding AND could also be a "fish hook" over a Conservative run province that has expressed issues against the Trudeau government when the Liberals are in serious trouble
Maybe people should do it themselves like my family did cost so much less and you can have a well build home not like the ones they build today
None of the other premieres are being quite as obstructive and blatantly oppressive with their housing decisions so there's little to no reason to expand this measure elsewhere.
@@Fenthule You're kidding, right? Funding that never becomes available is a HUGE push back. Look at it this way, how can a plaza with an incredible amount of out of Canada names attached to it, have the complex built in 3 to 4 months but yet we can't have homes built? It's GREAT to have funds announced by a Prime Minister, but who or when do you actually see the funds delivered?
The cost of permits and supplies are a huge problem holding people back
Why do they need to make this so complicated.....just pass a law that says developers must put 10% of everything they build aside for affordable housing and if they wont just pick a diff developer.
Yeah ford gov’t and their private sector buddies ain’t gonna let that fly because it means cutting into their profits. Ford is all about feeding the pockets of his private developer buddies.
Montreal already has that and so far, most developers don't bother.
Why is this guy using numbers that mean nothing.........6% of how many units.
Ok let’s talk about how this money withholding idea is literally a Polievre idea lmao. Not Sean Fraser’s 😂😂
Except is nothing like the Poilievre idea "lmao"........Poilievre is attacking municipalities, trying to make them the scape goats, when it's the Province who is being asleep at the wheel!
ALSO, Conservative premiers have been accepting funding for projects, and policies, but have sat on the money, and not started said projects and policies!
We've already seen that the Federal Government is willing to bypass the Provinces, and work directly with municipalities to get housing built!
The Province should be embarrassed that the Federal Government is being forced to get affordable housing built, when it's their responsibility!
Paul Callandra has failed on housing and is MIA with the Landlord Tenant Board failure as well
It's really simple. If Ford can only meets 1/3rd of the deal he gets 1/3rd of the funding.
maybe the feds are tired of housing providers misspending the money
It's the provinces who aren't spending the money,.....CONSERVATIVE run provinces!
@@chrishogan8125ha Ford is no conservative
@@t-rev2923 Well that's convenient, how about Danielle Smith? She did it as well..!?
@chrishogan8125 first, not what I said. Second. Idk the housing situation in alberta. But I do know that Ford gives the money to the municipality to build the homes. It's not a good way to do it. But 2 million people brought in in one year doesn't help. So instead of just blaming provinces, blame all government
@@t-rev2923 Housing is a PROVINCIAL responsibility! Just before the pandemic, the CONSERVATIVES were bitching about Trudeau trying to get housing built, telling him to stay in his lane, and that it was a PROVINCIAL responsibility!
Now, these very same CONSERVATIVES haven't built housing, and Trudeau is literally working with municipalities directly to get it done......I mean, you can't have it both ways..!?
You can't blame Trudeau for the lack of housing, when it's NOT his responsibility, and then complain that he's bypassing Premiers to get the housing built..!?
Pierre for PM!❤❤❤❤❤
How does voting for pollievre fix the problem at hand here which is Ontario disallowing building desperately needed housing in the middle of a housing crisis?
@@ColonelPassTheCheese Liberals had 8 yrs. Not 1 house built to date!
Pierre is the solution!❤
@@littlelittle5Not one house built in Canada in the last 8 years? Huh.
@@littlelittle5 obviously you do not do research as homes have been built but no where near enough
I will never vote for the liberal, ndp party tax tax tax 😢Canada 🇨🇦
We are not lagging behind in housing. We are steaming ahead on importing the 3rd world.
We are in fact lagging in housing by all metrics, and your xenophobic anti-immigrant scapegoating isn’t gonna change that fact. Facts over feelings.
@@SuperCreeper38 pretty clear to see around my home town this last 6 years or so. The demographics are drastically different all of a sudden.
Big deal lose the 350M funding it will only house maybe 1200 people max? Wont even make a 0.0001% difference
Housing 1200 family will make a different to them
Keep your money and put it to paying down the debt. People who own homes don't want buildings beside their single family homes.
If Ontario doesn't meet its targets, no money!
I trust Mr. Ford over Trudeau any day , i will never vote for the liberal, ndp party. I love Canada 🇨🇦 ❤
17:13 lovely four plexes... that *have grown in value*
Whoops, don't let the mask slip so fast 😅 But f*** it, if it'll get Doug to build more if he thinks house-flippers will make money in the future off them, I don't even care anymore lmao
People don't want to live in fourplexes. They want single or semi detached homes. Stop trying to pack everyone in like sardines. Traffic will to be horrible. Take the bus? Yea, taking a bus takes extra time out of your day to see your family. This country is broken
People need places to live. Most cannot afford a car let alone a semi-detached house.
@zabmcauley5647 so why make the Population so big?
@@zabmcauley5647
A solid 70% of Canadians drive and have no problem affording a vehicle.
People want affordable homes and a place to live, fourplexes can help achieve that by increasing the housing supply than the suburban hell that has created this crisis in the first place. Not everyone one wants to be a car-reliant suburbanite with limited freedom.
@SuperCreeper38 where do you think the 4plexs are going to go? Lol In suburbia, making it worse than it already is. Families want to Live in suburbia
350M = about 500 homes. Nobody cares
I know 500 families that would feel very different.
@@stratford374 500 out of 1000000 waiting. Its nothing but youre pretending like its a huge deal. It would take trillions to fix this
@@alexg9727 it's going to take a lot of different solutions to solve this. There is no one single policy that will build the amount of homes we need.
By your logic why bother doing anything if you can't immediately fix it all at once!
Nobody is saying this solves everything, but to act like it's not a move in the right direction is idiotic.
You hate Trudeau, I get it. But 500 more homes is better than 0.
Also your math puts it at 700,000 per home. That's not an affordable home. It'll build a lot more than 500, especially if they build fourplexes.
no government in the world can subsidize building entire projects, 350m is meant to make deals more attractive and attract builders, not be a dipshit and use it to build 500 homes loooool.
Drop the carbon tax, save Canada 🇨🇦
The Canadian dream is dead. Build single family homes ! Why are we trying to make the standard of living here lower. Bring back the standard of living ! The system is no longer worth paying into. You will create a big polarity of who has and who doesn’t. And that will cause a bigger social issue than this government can handle
The reason we're in this mess is the over use of single family homes. Countries around the world don't have the same distorted view that Canada has.
Townhouses, 4 plexes, and similar style are the only way out of this mess.
If you're expecting to solve the housing crisis by building millions of more single family homes I hope you're ready for the massive increase in taxes that will be required for municipalities to maintain sewer, power, snow clearing, etc.
Suburban sprawl has bankrupted our cities. Densification is the only way to be sustainable.
@@stratford374 I completely disagree with you entirely. The reasons we are in this mess is because the immigration minister let in more people than the current infrastructure can handle. Even when they were warned 2 years prior.
Look at the states. You need to build out. Build more cities. Why densify one spot when the infrastructure can’t handle it. Look at our schools hospitals they are overcrowded and overrun.
Our taxes should have already been taken into consideration to cover the infrastructure you’re talking about. But canadas government doesn’t get anything done
@@peej91 Every single person who understands urban planning has been saying for decades sprawl has bankrupted cities.
Winnipeg is a prime example, plenty of flat land, easy to move out. Regularly goes over their snow clearing budget by tens of millions because they can't clear all the streets. Same for road repairs.
Densification means more people paying to maintain a smaller space. Inner cities having been subsidizing suburbs for decades.
I'm not going to bother arguing with you because you're so completely wrong.
We're in this mess because the government stopped building affordable housing in the 90s. It took a few decades to finally hit the tipping point but we're here now.
Private developers have no interest in building affordable homes. And single family homes will only continue to cause problems.
Our schools and hospitals are underfunded. ERs are overcrowded because there's no enough doctors, not because there's too many apartment buildings close by.
Get your head outta your arse.
@@stratford374 your bothering to argue with me by sending me an essay 🤣 you don’t even make sense. Look at the states. California has more population than all of Canada…You can buy a house in the states and have that quality of life everyone should have been able to have coming out of school.
Private developers choose to build fourplexes and 300sqft condos because it’s cheaper. Single family homes are more expensive to build.
Teachers cops and nurses are literally leaving. Because of the quality of life.
You live under a rock bod?
@@peej91and this guy was the immigration minister, what a joke.
Thank you Mr.Ford , i will never vote for the liberal, ndp party tax tax 😢Canada 🇨🇦
I completely agree with Doug Ford, alot of home owners would not want to have a 4 story apartment building built beside their house that they've worked for 25 years for, built them in the correct zoning areas, stop bringing in millions of immigrants, expand suburbs and transit lines with proper density. Theres a way to build growth and ruining the environment of distinct neighbourhoods isn't it.
Ok Sean Fraser was real asf for this
😂Opposition party is not NDP. Ndp is just Justins B team. It doesnt have a leader, and they do not have their own identity