Great discussion about EVs. I think there is a major shift in perceptions about cars. Us older folks buy vehicles that meet our maximum requirements. We want something that can do the once or twice a year family road trip. We buy a truck or large SUV to tow our boat twice a year. We are more emotional in our choices. We like our vehicles to do it all. Younger folks are more practical. They buy a compact (EV) car for 95% of their transportation needs, and rent a larger vehicle when needed. Their approach is way smarter for their bank accounts & the environment.
It was commented that an EV can be seen as a “2nd car”.... I think you’ve got it wrong. It will be the family’s “1st” car. The go-to car in 95% of the driving a car will do. The other car in the family will be seen as the “2nd car”. I guarantee it!
Very valid point. Yet some sort of gas powered car is still needed for backup for most people. Range of at least four hundred miles will be the game changer in the marketplace with consumers. Then it will be preferable in all areas.
To me if the "primary car" can only do 95%, or even 98% of a what a family requires, it's automatically be the secondary car... Just in my instance, we own 2 cars, a "Utility I was roped into buying" and a brz for my "secondary car"....As you say 95% of my entire use case is covered by the Brz (the commute, errands, the groceries, the night out), and there are distinct advantages to driving the brz over the SUV (at least to me)....Even in that sense though, there is no doubt which is the primary vehicle between the 2. One does 95% (and IMO the superior car)...the other just does more, and as such if we were not as fortunate to be able to afford both, there is no doubt that the SUV will take priority.
PS: it was also mentioned that “200 miles might not be enough”...that you “can’t top-it-off as easily as a gasoline burner”. BUT..you have to take into consideration that an electric car starts every day off with a “full tank” , unlike a gas burning vehicle.
E-tron horrible efficiency, slower charging, no self driving or over the air updates. Good at nothing. 18:00, the Model X not as practical as the etron? Maybe u r complaining of the middle row seats not folding down. They do now.
@@Th3Vik1ng Teslas have 6-8 Cameras depending on the model, and have recording capability with motion sensing out of the box. They also have dynamic air-suspension, similar to army grade Humvee tech for overcoming obstacles. And the Tesla range goes up to 370 miles instead of Audi's 200 miles limit, not to mention the much better charging options. They can be summoned to your location by cellphone, they have advanced navigation functioned built-in and regularly updated, through a giant screen, not the tiny square from the 90s that Audi is using. The list of high-tech features that Tesla has over the Audi is quite long. Audi is for an older generation, Tesla is for today.
@@Th3Vik1ng You do realize that you mention gimmicks against truly innovative technologies??? 360 cam against Autopilot? A HUD against free over the air updates? Are you fucking kidding me???
If the E-tron had 250 miles of range and cost 60k along with being readily available. More than 50% of Audi customers would pick it over the Q5. Audi knows this. That is the same reason they limit the acceleration of the Etron. Audi would make nothing on a 60k E-Tron. Audi most likely makes over 10k net on every well-equipped Q5 they sell. Audi would rather sell 40,000 e-trons world wide at a small profit than lose money on 200,000.
They won’t sell anywhere close to that, and it was one of the most expensive projects they worked on for 4 years yet it still can’t beat a 2012 model S. The automakers have no idea what trouble their in for when reputable EV makers start ramping up.
The E-Tron points are garbage. Sure Tesla goes to far with only a big screen and nearly no other buttons. But trying to get all functions of a modern car on a stamp sized screen and 100 Buttons is definitely worse and also incompetent. Also why are people trying to make bad things good? "It shifts beautifully" What? "An elegant pull away" So ether there was a moron at Audi that believes that people like the delay of gas cars or they weren't able to build a transmission that could handle an electric engine. "I like conventional" So it is not good, it is not good looking and it is not useful. So let's make up something. It looks conventional, and my grades are also not bad they are conventional. I am not a disappointment in bed I am conventional in bed. Come on if it sucks just say it, it is not like it is a big secret any more.
Orlando is 240 miles from Miami, the Audi will not sell very well here. I have met Tesla owners who bought the extra large battery so they could make the trip on one charge.
That's the best advice for EVs, make sure you it has the range you need for an entire day, or in this case day trip. Because you never know what the status or availability of a public charger is.
@@f181234 If the EV can reach it then you'll be saving thousands of dollars on gas and maintenance. The further you travel daily the more an EV makes sense AS LONG AS the range can handle it. So yes and no.
Came from Twitter to this video just to dislike the blind bias towards Audi's half hearted attempt at EVs. It's like they think people don't know about Teslas.
@ 18:05 "E-tron is certainly more useful than the model x" In what categories? Please describe what exactly it does better!? Very vague open ended non factual statement.
Audi ETron, $80,000 and 204 miles of range is a non-starter. Also, why can't we take advantage of EV packaging, why do we need a fake radiator grille on a car with no radiator or a large under hood area for a car with no engine.
@@komentierer Tesla is not competing with Audi, it's competing with itself. Audi is 7 years behind according to industry experts. The Model X has a range of 325 miles, and the Audi has a range of 170 miles from what current drivers are reporting.
The e-Tron will NOT give a Tesla Model X competition. Someone considering an EV will understand that the e-Tron is horribly inefficient and has little to no redeeming features over a Model X's features. The only advantages it has is a more conventional luxurious feel and an Audi badge. It's sad to hear these reviewers not have a clue about what an EV is and what it represents. They aren't placing themselves in the position of an EV consumer, which is supposed to be what CR represents.
Tesla does not make luxury vehicles, these cars are in completely different categories. Comparing a Tesla Model X to an Audi e-tron is like comparing a Dodge Charger to a Mercedes S-class. Technically the specs look kinda similar, but come on... stop fooling yourself!
@@komentierer True, the Tesla is the better premium car for this modern century. Audi is good for older people, it has a nice cushion for $50k under your butt. Tesla has the high-tech technology that the modern buyer would enjoy, something as simple as superior navigation on a giant touch screen instead of a 10 inch square from the 90s with Commodore64 quality graphics for example.
Since when does a car that has (a) slower acceleration (this shortcoming is now called "elegant start" nowadays?) (b) less range (funny how your reviewers make all kinds of excuses for this..underestimated range? Jeez) (c) less charging stations (d) no ongoing feature upgrades (e) no navigate on autopilot (f) less seating capacity becomes more desirable? Do CR reviewers buy a car that's $80,000 with all the above comparable issues and call it a good buy (run for the money)? And I see that your reviewers don't even know that Tesla can also be switched to "slower acceleration (or elegant start)" via a simple configuration change. Audi is going through a big recall and production issues but this gets no mention, but recalls and production delays are topics that CR emphasized when reviewing Tesla. Tesla is a trend / life style / status symbol? And the Audi with all the shortcomings is a good "buy"? Given how your company is not even subtly biased but just blatantly biased, I wonder if it's because CR is being "influenced" or if the reviewers are incompetent. Given the consistent bias reviews that are happening again and again, it's hard to pin this just to incompetence. What do you think CR?
For every negative you mentioned about the Audi, you could have mentioned a positive. CR clearly said they will wait to see how consumers react to the E-Tron. Clearly Tesla is your favorite, and you are free to buy as many as you can. Personally I wouldn't want either, but to each their own.
Audi E-Tron pathetic range and the lack of fast charging infrastructure (that would be at least comparable to Tesla Superchargers) mean that I would never take E-Tron over any Tesla. Model S long range EPA range: 370 miles Model X long range EPA range: 325 miles E-Tron EPA range: 204 miles
With that logic you should not buy any German performance car at all. Most American cars offer better performance for less, that's the only number that matters there, right?
@@Th3Vik1ng Performance, features, price, design, all of these are better in a Tesla. You only buy an Audi if you like that seat cushion for an extra $50000.
"Elegant Pull-Away"? Wow. Why don't you call a spade a spade, regardless of which company made it? Slower acceleration isn't "more elegant", especially when the competition has it as an optional feature you can activate if you're so inclined. Less range isn't "sufficient", when you've spent the past decade moaning about how EVs simply need more range to be practical. This is an Audi Fan-Video through and through. The brand that's harmed the most by this peculiar production is Consumer Reports'. Report on shortcomings without trying to make excuses for the manufacturer, whether that's Tesla or Audi.
It was possible for Lee Iacocca to become a corporate star because in those days blue collar jobs and blue collar industries received a lot more respect. In the 50s, 60s, and 70s the idea of willfully exporting the nation's manufacturing sector would have been considered treasonous. In that context a person like Iacocca fighting to save industry would quite naturally be seen as heroic. R.I.P. Lee
This whole review smell "PAID". What do you mean"elegant pull away acceleration", slow is slow, fast is fast. The most expensive acceleration is the fast acceleration. I'm pretty sure you can find more "elegant pull away acceleration" in a honda fit.....
It definitely smells. The low range is fine now because people who buys a $80,000 car should have a second car? What is that? Are you here for "consumers"? Why not tell them to buy a Tesla Model 3 that has 50% more range with vast supercharger network that you could spend $50,000 for just one car to do everything?
Tesla might be able to score few points with CR if it renames its "chill" mode to "elegant pull away" mode. Some marketing goodies to CR wouldn't hurt either.
Wow these guys really shouldn't be reporting on EVs. They seem to have a knowledge deficit when it comes to EVs. By the way, the Audio E-Tron, just had a major recall (battery fire, faulty wiring)...something that wasn't mentioned in this video. There is no fix for the problem till sometime in August. This would be a non issue, but the Hosts commented on Audi's quality over Tesla. Something smells at CR, or is it just a lack of knowledge about EVs.
ToneonT From transport Canada, not sure if it is different in the States. “Issue: On certain pre-launch demonstration vehicles, due to a faulty seal, water could enter the high-voltage (HV) battery through the HV battery charging socket. If moisture enters the HV battery, it could cause a short circuit. Note: This condition would cause a warning and the message "Electrical system: fault" to display in the instrument cluster. Safety Risk: An electrical short circuit could create the risk of a fire. Corrective Actions: None of the affected vehicles were sold to retail customers. All vehicles will be inspected by the company to verify if there is any moisture in the HV system. If no moisture is found, a better seal will be installed. If moisture is found, other components of the HV system will also be replaced.”
Beatiful Talking about the evolution of suv' S story from the confort to the perfection of electric motor that is another level of elegant to move around.Thank you for the report
Want to cancel your e-tron order? - According to the reservation holder, he was informed that be would be facing a fine amounting to 8% of his order’s purchase price. “I could break the contract (or) buy a Fast Track car, but I couldn’t just break the contract. They would then have 8% (around $6,800) of the purchase price of around NOK 750,000 (around $85,000) for breach of contract. So now I’m still waiting,
I think the objection regarding the insufficient autonomy of the Audi eTron for road trips as a family car is overstated. With kids, you have to make frequent stops, otherwise you'll go crazy. The stops might not be long enough to top off the battery but, will be sufficient to provide you with additional autonomy untill a longer stop. Unless the kids are sleeping in the back and you intend to maximize the mileage during that time.
I really wanted to buy a Tesla but this video saved me by pointing out that the Tesla has greater range and better performance along with better technology. Who wants all that? Give me a slower, less efficient car with less range any day. Thank you Consumer Reports!
I have a top spec Europe 2016 Mazda6 with their Matrix LED headlights. They ROCK! I came from a 2005 Audi A4 with xenon headlights and the Mazda6 Matrix LEDs are better in every aspect, not just that they selectively turn on and off the high beams, but in every other aspect as well. When I drive at night, I just turn on the high beams and leave them on, and the car just turns on and off. It's great to have high beams for instance on the side of the road while not blinding oncoming traffic.
Insane that these old farts say an e-tron is incredibly competitive with Tesla because it's "conventional" and "shifts beautifully" (??????) Let's just ignore that Teslas are way more efficient, have almost twice as much range, are way faster and don't have "elegant pullaways". (bs) Tesla also has a very intuitive and easy supercharger network that gets faster and faster by the year and can I just point out that the $42,000 Model 3 standard range plus has more range and is just as fast to 60 and has a higher top speed than the $80,000 e-tron....... Can I also point out that the Model 3 outsold ALL other luxury sports sedans and that the Model X has been on the market since 2016 and the 2019 e-tron still can't compete with it? Can anyone smell total automotive journalist prejudice against Tesla because I can.
@@f181234 It's good enough, don't expect too much from an American brand, it's better than pretty much any Ford or GM model, and compares well with BMW models under the $80k price range. But it's easier to get a better cushion for your butt than technology under the hood, and Tesla is considered to be 7 years ahead by experts.
@@f181234 Perfectly satisfied with my 2019 Model 3 build quality. What precisely did you personally found to be of "shit quality" on your Tesla? Because I assume you know this for a fact, first hand, right?
Here is what you got right: Perceive build quality - The Audi looks the price Brand confidence - The campaign by the dealership lobbies to kill Tesla has been effective at limiting service centers. The Audi network will be attractive. Quiet - Yep, Audi knows how to make a car quiet. Perceived luxury - The interior speaks to why you paid so much. Here is opinion that I disagree with: Front grill - I hate fake grills on EV’s. Imagine making an iPhone look like a Blackberry because that is what you were comfortable with. You sound like old people not wanting to change. “In my day nice cars had big grills…” Styling - OK, I’m weird in that I think the Model X has decent styling. I don’t see the appeal of the two box SUV style. I find the style practical but I wouldn’t call it attractive. Personally I think the I-Pace looks better; fake grill and all. OK, so you love the interface. If we went back in time here would be the equivalent iPhone review: “The iPhone’s interface lacks the conventional feel of the Blackberry. I like physical keys and a scroll wheel. I think consumers will feel much more comfortable with a Blackberry than with the iPhone’s everything on the screen interface.” I’m 66 and I feel like I’m young compared to the Consumer Report’s reviewers. What you totally messed up: Range - It is clear you haven’t lived with an EV as your only car. It can be done and it can be done with little compromise. Repeat after me “Range is everything. Range is everything.” There is already plenty of evidence from other reviewers that the range issue on the e-Tron is real. The failure in this area negates all of the good things. Infrastructure - In Europe a car with a CCS port has a chance if the range is halfway decent. In the US it is different. Only Tesla has a decent charging infrastructure. Until you have lived with an EV and done long trips in an EV you won’t understand. My girlfriend just took her Model 3 on an 1800 mile round trip. She found the trip easy. It probably cost her one to two hours more than driving a gas car but she said she didn’t mind the extra breaks. The Tesla network is easier to use, cheaper, and more prevalent than any other extant in the US. Seamlessness - The Tesla Model 3, as an example, just integrates so well into your life. The first clue is the lack of an ON/OFF button. Trips are seamless due to the routing that includes charging. You completely missed discussing this with respect to the e-Tron. This is the biggest surprise I got owning a Model 3. Updates - The large single screen of the Model 3 means tremendous flexibility. Remember that flip phone that was the same when you put it into the trash as it was the day you bought it? Compare that to an iPhone. My Model 3 is constantly evolving. Some things are bug fixes. Others are fun updates such as games. Yet other updates bring wonderful new features such as Sentry mode. Summary: Learn what is different about an EV and what it means to live with one so you know what matters. Also, stop being Luddites who long for the past. Cars are becoming software platforms just like the change that happened to the cell phone. Embrace the change.
17:10. U think the Tesla’s controls are “bizarre” and “unconventional”. U are such a ”has been”. Hop back in your model t, with your levers, and switches and knobs and go home. U stifle progress!
My family owns a brand new subaru, a Honda, and a Nov 2018 tesla M3 dual motor. Tesla has become our choice for family road trips, 18k miles in road trips, NYC to Canada multiple times, to Washington DC, etc.... Never a problem driving at below 20. Regarding the elegant acceleration, tesla also has the option to chose which drive you want BTW, Audi does not have any kind of options. CR unfortunately has become an untrustworthy source of reviews. They should stick to appliance and household equipment. Leave the rest of to professionals
Families who buy $80 K cars still take road trips where they are driving 300-400 miles to visit family, go to the beach or go skiing. Who is flying for 300 miles taking a family of 3 or 4, dealing with TSA, renting a car and all that?
Tesla works. Audi, no where to charge, no network charging stations. How can it be more useful when you can’t drive it out of the city. Your opinions , CR, are so shortsighted, typical of people who don’t own and use Tesla.
You must be kidding! The low range is fine because people who buy a $80K car could also buy a second car? How about telling "consumers" to buy a $50K Tesla Model 3 that has 50% more range and supercharger network so they could do with just one car? What is your beef with Tesla? They couldn't match what Audi is paying you?
You guys really make yourself a bad name if you're trying to sell us this BS. It's obviously not an objective competition if you consider the e-tron, which already experiencing a recall because of a not properly sealed battery a more preferably choice in terms of reliability. What's next? The doors fall off? The range is much greater on the Tesla, they have a proper navigation system, which also plans stops at convenient placed locations where you usually can also take a break with a coffee or a meal. It's also much faster charging, because of lower consumption and higher charge rate.
20:30 Hi Jenn, that was a 2014 Chrysler 300 base with 18" comfort wheels. No issues, very reliable with me and the best comfort "pot holes isolation" machine I ever driven, better comfort ride than my 2014 Jaguar xjl (I love unreliable BEAUTIFUL CARS :-) . CHRYSLER 300 is Great on Long trips, super comfortable, spacious and great looking on white. The transmission always is tune great for a luxury cruiser, engine noise is just right, sounds just right without taking away the luxury ride. The bad thing is the headlights, but I like the car enough to tolerate playing with the high been lights when I can. Any other reliable 2014 Chrysler 300 base owners out there? Over 70k miles, no problems.
They‘ll sell 5-10k a year then discontinue after 2 years due to lack of demand. 200 miles is about 60% of the CURRENT Tesla range for similar price. Tesla range will get better by the time Audi actually ships this thing.
When asked about luxury compact SUV's, why didn't you mention the BMW X3? It's rated #1 in your ratings and is superior to the Audi Q5 head to head, particularly with a lot of options at the same price point (see CR video comparison). When comparison shopping a loaded X3 to the Audi Q5, the X3 won out for us and it has fantastic safety and technology features. We have had our 2019 X3 for almost a year and have loved it!
While I love the idea of buying an EV, I think I will have to wait another 3 or 4 years and get a used Model Y or electric SUV. The price to entry is too high for me at the moment. I think the used market will be a great place for a lot of people who are curious about electric cars to start by then.
Interior & exterior trim pieces generally get discontinued first. The side cover of the drivers seat tends to break often. If you have painted exterior pieces you may want to have some replacements stashed away. Otherwise you are stuck trolling eBay for possibly years or forums for your vehicle. Seats & headliners; any decent upholster shop can take care of that.
Simple, salesmen want to sell you a car today that they have in stock. Right now every Audi dealer is most likely limited on how many E-Trons they will get this and next year.
The main difference in-between the two cars is that the model X feels like a hyper-modern electric car and the Audi feels like a high quality luxury car. The steering is light and it wofts along without a sound, it's a perfect highway cruiser, dead silent, super stable and the bang and Olufsen sound system is superb. Although the model X has more punch and a bigger wow factor with the falcon wing doors, the Audi is simply higher quality. Everything from the sound when you close the doors to the all the materials you touch, it's simply better. The leather feels cheap in the Tesla compared to the leather and alcantara in the Audi. The model X does have better range, however I rarely need to drive longer than the Audi can and Norway's fast charging network is quite good. That in addition to the 150kw/h charging speed makes it the better choice for me, it's simply a more luxurious and comfortable car. Small addition, the model X has been one of Norway's best selling cars for the last couple of years, so pretty much everyone and their grandma has a model X, so it's nice to have something that there aren't 5 identical cars to in every parking lot.
What is wrong with manufacturers that they can’t design great headlights? Seriously, how can it be so hard? I am shopping for a largish CUV and some of them can’t get an IIHS “Good” rating. I won’t buy a vehicle *without* that “good” rating plus your (Consumer Reports) recommended rating plus your reliability rating of at least 3/5 but preferably 4-5/5.
I think it's about cost, most people don't notice the headlight performance until they've bought the car, so it's one of the places manufacturers can save money, and I think it's manufacturers trying to move buyers to more expensive trims. While I like the whiter light HIDs and LEDs produce, they have a shorter throw and sharper cutoff than halogen lights.
You can get a 2 year old etron now for less than $40,000 because of that shorter range. Yes, they have lost half their value in two years mostly due to them being too expensive to start with.
E tron cost 75k, how is it compare to model x with 3 row. Etron is more likely model y size and internal. Which cost 39900, for similar range and acceleration. Also I seat in Etron back in my auto show, the floor is almost like wrangler high why no one here mention about that. What about charging station. Charging at 120 mile every 30 mins is half what model 3 or model y could be at version 2 supercharger available now.
I hate to be disparaging but these reviewers are either ignorant (spent less than 1 hour with the cars they talk about) or they are just flat out paid shills. Everybody is allowed to have preferences for what a vehicle should look like as that is subjective but they completely contradict themselves many times over. I'll preface my rant by saying I own a Model X for almost a year now but I test drove an etron before purchasing it (I had early access here in LA) and still decided to go with the Model X. -When you have upper middle class income and you prioritize safety you will be looking at vehicles like an etron and a Model X. For the reviewer to talk about buying a Rav 4 hybrid and a Miata is utterly nonsense - is the miata supposed to be towed behind the Rav4 with your luggage in it or the 6th passenger? Seriously, the Toyota Highlander Hybrid runs about 60K fully loaded and would have a more sensible comparison. What these bad reviewers fail to understand in their shortsighted view is the safety provided by the premium vehicles and one accident can easily cause 1/2 million dollars of medical bills. I guess CR is always penny wise pound foolish. -The etron is perfectly fine for a daily driver and a daily errand vehicle. It can do all the things a cheaper Q5 can do and if Audi did their job correctly it won't come with insane yearly maintenance which CR completely and utterly ignored. They completely missed total cost of ownership. Again penny wise pound foolish. Sure you lose out on opportunity cost of the money not available but EVs end up having a lower cost of ownership as little as 5 years out, much earlier if you drive a lot. -CR honestly doesn't give a rats ass about CO2 output of vehicles or transition to sustainable energy. Without people adopting battery usage the price will not go down. The Hyundai Kona EV would run around the same price as a Rav4 hybrid but would be a lot cheaper to operate 15kmiles/year. So I do think the etron was an OK start by Audi. It was not one of their best attempts because it was a rush to deliver as evidenced by it not having a dedicated platform to start with and Audi's insistence on keeping that unneeded grill. If they wanted to they could have put an led lightstrip into the front and it would have had a better profile and lower cd and let the owner deiced if they wanted to light it or not. Audi is always showing off their headlights in commercials. The interior is nice, the leather is nicer than the Vegan in my Model X, and I do like the HUD and the display for the navigation is better than the Tesla on the driver dash as it is 3d compared to Tesla's 2D. The etron fails in efficiency. When you have 5% loss here, 5% there, it ends up being a multiplicative effect like A x 0.95^4 is now only 81.4% of A - so 4 items with 5% loss already cut down efficiency almost 20%. Improving the cd, switching to lighter more efficient motors and perhaps ditching the pouch cells and going to array packs like Tesla does could get those mileage numbers up. But these reviewers either have an outright hate of Tesla or just trying to be cool to be contrarian to the Tesla sheep. I personally don't give a rats ass what others drive and don't use my car as a status symbol. I still have my Honda Odyssey which has more buttons on the dash than any Audi will ever have and is honestly the most practical people mover ever made. But I only miss 1 button on my Model X and that is the AC. I always like to cycle off the AC before parking so mildew doesn't grow and it requires an extra second to tap the button on the Tesla versus tactile push on my Odyssey as I get close to home. Other than that the screen on the Model X is lightyears ahead in control of any other car. It's so funny they mock it when even McDonalds is pushing people to order food though a touchscreen kiosk. And shifting gears in the Tesla is the easiest I have ever seen in any car. The shifter in all other cars seems almost archaic now, and Audi I guess felt the need to be quirky with the big boatshifter. How the reviewers can say the etron is more practical than the Model X is beyond me. The Model X carries more people, has higher towing ability, more than 50% more range, faster charging. You can't even take a trip from LA to San Diego and back in the etron without recharging whereas you could make that easily with a Model X. Hell if you can make it home to recharge in a Tesla you would actually save time over a gas car by avoiding a 5-10 min gas station trip. The only thing I can see as a more practical aspect of the etron is you can put a conventional roof rack for carrying canoes and bikes which for a Tesla would require a trailer or rack on the tail. Petrol based vehicles are still needed in areas with consistent cold weather and for off road use where the battery could be damaged but for the majority of drivers in temperate climates an EV is becoming a more practical option as each day passes. Pathetic that CR can't see that. I wonder how much they'll bad mouth the MB EQC when it comes out.
Jon Lincove, great point about the Etron buyer not taking road trips. I think you nailed it. Also, DC fast chargers are getting more and more common, so taking long trips will only get easier.
I was surprised that I saw no mainstream media coverage of the passing of Lee Iacocca. He was a very, very public figure back in the "day", and his passing seemed to go unnoticed. Wow, that e-tron seems like a non-starter ... just doesn't seem to offer 80K USD worth of value anyway you measure it.
I hear Consumer Reports' magazine sales have had a similar... "elegant pull-away” issue, maybe just not connecting with the younger readership. Such an eloquent turn of phrase to turn a negative on its head, among many others. Like the lack of range passed off as "just take a plane" while in the same breath knocking its Tesla equivalent with *significantly* higher range as not good enough. Quite a contrast, despite claims of impartiality and independence from business relations. www.teslarati.com/tesla-rival-audi-etron-could-drive-shoppers-away-from-model-x-consumer-reports/
Grandparents SUV? I chose the 2019 Acura RDX for myself with the technology package. Advanced safety package is included as is blind spot monitoring and automatic high beams! Additionally for safe parking, pushing the engine stop button (at a full stop) while in "D" the car will place itself into park "P". This vehicle is much better than CR's initial impressions
the more evs the better, the air is cleaner for everyone as it has no tail pipe, who cares if its made in Europe, bring it on, be happy someone is driving a car without a tatl pipe.
Lee Iacocca is also known for the "Unacceptable" Dodge Horizon and Plymouth Horrizon by CR before that minivan success. That was another low point for his career. Also responsible for the K-car platform which made up their most successful cars and minivans later on. Another car superstar who is still alive is Bob Lutz, who also worked at Ford and was involved in saving GM designs later in his career. While parts don't have to be made beyond the end of production, most manufactures will do it for 6 years. Even when Saab went out of business parts were available for another 6 years, and third parties filled in some gaps after that but parts were still available. So parts could be an issue but are not the same for everyone.
I beleive that you missed a critical point in your review. Audi/Porsche/VW electric vehicules are designed to be charged at 75 or 80% battery capacity in about 20 minutes (better than Tesla?) with a new networks of fast charging stations accross the country. Why ? Will you test, review and compare how storing energy is done for the new electric cars ? Increasing battery capacity makes the car heavier. This is why fast charging capabilities matters.
Another Lee Iacocca hit and often underappreciated car was the Chrysler Lebaron convertible. The Lebaron was far from perfect, but it did make convertibles popular again after the Big Three discontinued them back in the mid 70's. The 1987-95 Lebaron convertible in particular is still a good looking car today in my opinion.
Stop making obvious and GLARING engineering incompetencies look like a FEATURE!...."Elegant pull-away" and such nonsense! They cannot compete with Tesla's speed & instant torque, so they bailed out with Marketing vomit!..."Its more luxurious..Blah blah". I am not paying an extra $50,000 for a well trimmed interior..That's a poor return on investiment. I could go on & on, If you were paid to find "something good about etron" just say so , but please stop deceiving the public for this overpriced/fire risk disaster!
I'm surprised too, I was under the assumption that there was a 10 year law, but on a quick web search I couldn't find any federal law or regulation for it.
I enjoy your weekly videos and I do appreciate you all, BUT Jen is my favorite! Think about it - if Lee had not been an advocate to purchase AMC for the Jeep brand that FCA (after many bad times) would not be here today. Jeep and RAM are basically all they have left. Of course, RAM aka Dodge was not a part of AMC... Thank you all for everything you do to educate we consumers.
In the 70s quality was shockingly awful. I had a Pinto and a top-line LTD and the interior plastics in both had pale streaks in them where the pigment was not uniformly blended. Plus, they rusted away in 75,000 miles.
Not 5 or 10%, but ***60%*** more range. Which makes the E-Turd obsolete out of the box. Also stop lying about charge rate. Tesla charge way faster, period. Up to 1000 miles per hours on a V3 SuperCharger.
And the comments once again show Tesla Fanboys are the most anti EV people out there. Guess they would be happier if those Audi fans brought a Diesel instead...
Bitch, please... The E-turd in an inferior product in every respect compared to a Tesla. The end. Now, you can go ahead and: 1- Shut the fuck up 2- Go fuck yourself 3- Fuck off
You all have as much diversity as Lee Iacocca's corporate board. Doesn't represent best practices. Corny jokes don't land, everyone is super unnatural and it just doesn't work. More diversity in programming and editorial content would improve sales, subscriptions and views-- all of which increase revenue. This ain't rocket science, y'all.
My old '82 VW Rabbit diesel wasn't slow. It just had "more of an elegant pull-away" than cars that were faster.
Great discussion about EVs. I think there is a major shift in perceptions about cars. Us older folks buy vehicles that meet our maximum requirements. We want something that can do the once or twice a year family road trip. We buy a truck or large SUV to tow our boat twice a year. We are more emotional in our choices. We like our vehicles to do it all. Younger folks are more practical. They buy a compact (EV) car for 95% of their transportation needs, and rent a larger vehicle when needed. Their approach is way smarter for their bank accounts & the environment.
It was commented that an EV can be seen as a “2nd car”.... I think you’ve got it wrong. It will be the family’s “1st” car. The go-to car in 95% of the driving a car will do. The other car in the family will be seen as the “2nd car”. I guarantee it!
He was right; whoever can afford an $80K EV doesn't drive their families long distances, they fly to their destinations and rent when they get there.
Yep, they made an EV sound like a compromise... I didn't like their tone either.
Very valid point. Yet some sort of gas powered car is still needed for backup for most people.
Range of at least four hundred miles will be the game changer in the marketplace with consumers. Then it will be preferable in all areas.
T Jam A Tesla can be a “first car”. Enron... not likely! Range too short.
To me if the "primary car" can only do 95%, or even 98% of a what a family requires, it's automatically be the secondary car...
Just in my instance, we own 2 cars, a "Utility I was roped into buying" and a brz for my "secondary car"....As you say 95% of my entire use case is covered by the Brz (the commute, errands, the groceries, the night out), and there are distinct advantages to driving the brz over the SUV (at least to me)....Even in that sense though, there is no doubt which is the primary vehicle between the 2. One does 95% (and IMO the superior car)...the other just does more, and as such if we were not as fortunate to be able to afford both, there is no doubt that the SUV will take priority.
PS: it was also mentioned that “200 miles might not be enough”...that you “can’t top-it-off as easily as a gasoline burner”. BUT..you have to take into consideration that an electric car starts every day off with a “full tank” , unlike a gas burning vehicle.
Not good for long trips but fantastic for everyday use. Should be all but one car in the family.
So consumer reports is now admitting it's full of etron.
E-tron horrible efficiency, slower charging, no self driving or over the air updates. Good at nothing.
18:00, the Model X not as practical as the etron? Maybe u r complaining of the middle row seats not folding down. They do now.
360°camera, HUD, Matrix LED headlights... can't get that on a Tesla.
@@Th3Vik1ng Teslas have 6-8 Cameras depending on the model, and have recording capability with motion sensing out of the box. They also have dynamic air-suspension, similar to army grade Humvee tech for overcoming obstacles. And the Tesla range goes up to 370 miles instead of Audi's 200 miles limit, not to mention the much better charging options. They can be summoned to your location by cellphone, they have advanced navigation functioned built-in and regularly updated, through a giant screen, not the tiny square from the 90s that Audi is using.
The list of high-tech features that Tesla has over the Audi is quite long.
Audi is for an older generation, Tesla is for today.
@@Th3Vik1ng You do realize that you mention gimmicks against truly innovative technologies??? 360 cam against Autopilot? A HUD against free over the air updates? Are you fucking kidding me???
If the E-tron had 250 miles of range and cost 60k along with being readily available. More than 50% of Audi customers would pick it over the Q5. Audi knows this. That is the same reason they limit the acceleration of the Etron. Audi would make nothing on a 60k E-Tron. Audi most likely makes over 10k net on every well-equipped Q5 they sell. Audi would rather sell 40,000 e-trons world wide at a small profit than lose money on 200,000.
Then somebody else will make a $60K equivalent E-tron without the imposed limitations, and Audi will sell neither E-Tron or Q5.
@@ldever3 Yeah, it's called The Model Y...
They won’t sell anywhere close to that, and it was one of the most expensive projects they worked on for 4 years yet it still can’t beat a 2012 model S. The automakers have no idea what trouble their in for when reputable EV makers start ramping up.
The E-Tron points are garbage. Sure Tesla goes to far with only a big screen and nearly no other buttons. But trying to get all functions of a modern car on a stamp sized screen and 100 Buttons is definitely worse and also incompetent.
Also why are people trying to make bad things good?
"It shifts beautifully" What?
"An elegant pull away" So ether there was a moron at Audi that believes that people like the delay of gas cars or they weren't able to build a transmission that could handle an electric engine.
"I like conventional" So it is not good, it is not good looking and it is not useful. So let's make up something. It looks conventional, and my grades are also not bad they are conventional. I am not a disappointment in bed I am conventional in bed. Come on if it sucks just say it, it is not like it is a big secret any more.
Orlando is 240 miles from Miami, the Audi will not sell very well here. I have met Tesla owners who bought the extra large battery so they could make the trip on one charge.
Tesla Superchargers are a huge plus even with a smaller battery.
That's the best advice for EVs, make sure you it has the range you need for an entire day, or in this case day trip. Because you never know what the status or availability of a public charger is.
pedro fernandez no one really goes to Miami to Orlando everyday if you do that type of mileage daily you shouldn’t even be considering EVs
@@f181234 If the EV can reach it then you'll be saving thousands of dollars on gas and maintenance. The further you travel daily the more an EV makes sense AS LONG AS the range can handle it. So yes and no.
Came from Twitter to this video just to dislike the blind bias towards Audi's half hearted attempt at EVs. It's like they think people don't know about Teslas.
@ 18:05 "E-tron is certainly more useful than the model x" In what categories? Please describe what exactly it does better!? Very vague open ended non factual statement.
Audi ETron, $80,000 and 204 miles of range is a non-starter. Also, why can't we take advantage of EV packaging, why do we need a fake radiator grille on a car with no radiator or a large under hood area for a car with no engine.
Tesla propably killed the lowest range Model X becsuse of the e-tron.
It was more expensive and had less range. It's still on sale in Germany
It does have a radiator for motor, inverter, charger and battery cooling. Also AC. But yeah it doesn't need nearly as much airflow as a gas car
@@komentierer Tesla is not competing with Audi, it's competing with itself. Audi is 7 years behind according to industry experts.
The Model X has a range of 325 miles, and the Audi has a range of 170 miles from what current drivers are reporting.
The e-Tron will NOT give a Tesla Model X competition. Someone considering an EV will understand that the e-Tron is horribly inefficient and has little to no redeeming features over a Model X's features. The only advantages it has is a more conventional luxurious feel and an Audi badge. It's sad to hear these reviewers not have a clue about what an EV is and what it represents. They aren't placing themselves in the position of an EV consumer, which is supposed to be what CR represents.
Tesla does not make luxury vehicles, these cars are in completely different categories. Comparing a Tesla Model X to an Audi e-tron is like comparing a Dodge Charger to a Mercedes S-class. Technically the specs look kinda similar, but come on... stop fooling yourself!
LOL the model x is rated only 55 on CR. You're in tesla fan boy dreamland - not reality.
@@komentierer True, the Tesla is the better premium car for this modern century.
Audi is good for older people, it has a nice cushion for $50k under your butt.
Tesla has the high-tech technology that the modern buyer would enjoy, something as simple as superior navigation on a giant touch screen instead of a 10 inch square from the 90s with Commodore64 quality graphics for example.
The E-Tron is a compliance car. Was never planned as a Tesla competitor. Audi's CEO will be the next to resign?
Since when does a car that has
(a) slower acceleration (this shortcoming is now called "elegant start" nowadays?)
(b) less range (funny how your reviewers make all kinds of excuses for this..underestimated range? Jeez)
(c) less charging stations
(d) no ongoing feature upgrades
(e) no navigate on autopilot
(f) less seating capacity
becomes more desirable? Do CR reviewers buy a car that's $80,000 with all the above comparable issues and call it a good buy (run for the money)? And I see that your reviewers don't even know that Tesla can also be switched to "slower acceleration (or elegant start)" via a simple configuration change.
Audi is going through a big recall and production issues but this gets no mention, but recalls and production delays are topics that CR emphasized when reviewing Tesla.
Tesla is a trend / life style / status symbol? And the Audi with all the shortcomings is a good "buy"?
Given how your company is not even subtly biased but just blatantly biased, I wonder if it's because CR is being "influenced" or if the reviewers are incompetent. Given the consistent bias reviews that are happening again and again, it's hard to pin this just to incompetence. What do you think CR?
For every negative you mentioned about the Audi, you could have mentioned a positive. CR clearly said they will wait to see how consumers react to the E-Tron. Clearly Tesla is your favorite, and you are free to buy as many as you can. Personally I wouldn't want either, but to each their own.
Audi E-Tron pathetic range and the lack of fast charging infrastructure (that would be at least comparable to Tesla Superchargers) mean that I would never take E-Tron over any Tesla.
Model S long range EPA range: 370 miles
Model X long range EPA range: 325 miles
E-Tron EPA range: 204 miles
Jakub Janovský : and the lag off the line is a no go with the Audi compared to the instant take off of the Tesla and others.
With that logic you should not buy any German performance car at all. Most American cars offer better performance for less, that's the only number that matters there, right?
@@Th3Vik1ng Performance, features, price, design, all of these are better in a Tesla. You only buy an Audi if you like that seat cushion for an extra $50000.
"Elegant Pull-Away"? Wow.
Why don't you call a spade a spade, regardless of which company made it? Slower acceleration isn't "more elegant", especially when the competition has it as an optional feature you can activate if you're so inclined. Less range isn't "sufficient", when you've spent the past decade moaning about how EVs simply need more range to be practical.
This is an Audi Fan-Video through and through. The brand that's harmed the most by this peculiar production is Consumer Reports'.
Report on shortcomings without trying to make excuses for the manufacturer, whether that's Tesla or Audi.
Bunch of old people telling senior citizens what they should like. That's what Consumer Reports has becoming.
It was possible for Lee Iacocca to become a corporate star because in those days blue collar jobs and blue collar industries received a lot more respect. In the 50s, 60s, and 70s the idea of willfully exporting the nation's manufacturing sector would have been considered treasonous. In that context a person like Iacocca fighting to save industry would quite naturally be seen as heroic. R.I.P. Lee
I'm guessing it will be awhile before the etron gets the summons feature.
At this rate, Audi will go bankrupt before catching up to Tesla
"Shifts beautifully"? just one gear ya? I think the throttle tip-in is lazy for safety reasons - their gas cars do it too (annoying).
Facepalm moment.
this Audi is 5 years behind Tesla, at least.
Even more than that. Tesla 7 years ago had 265 miles range and with the OTA update capability the Audi still does not have.
If you're comparing it to a 7yr old used Tesla then maybe.
According to industry experts they're actually 7 years behind Tesla.
This whole review smell "PAID". What do you mean"elegant pull away acceleration", slow is slow, fast is fast. The most expensive acceleration is the fast acceleration. I'm pretty sure you can find more "elegant pull away acceleration" in a honda fit.....
Plus Tesla has Chill Mode for this so called "luxurious acceleration."
It definitely smells. The low range is fine now because people who buys a $80,000 car should have a second car? What is that? Are you here for "consumers"? Why not tell them to buy a Tesla Model 3 that has 50% more range with vast supercharger network that you could spend $50,000 for just one car to do everything?
Tesla might be able to score few points with CR if it renames its "chill" mode to "elegant pull away" mode. Some marketing goodies to CR wouldn't hurt either.
and they blame e-tron and i-pace "leisurely pull away" on their weight.... ....so are Tesla's way lighter ? ! lol
The E-tron has already been recalled , ironically for electrical problems .
Wow these guys really shouldn't be reporting on EVs. They seem to have a knowledge deficit when it comes to EVs. By the way, the Audio E-Tron, just had a major recall (battery fire, faulty wiring)...something that wasn't mentioned in this video. There is no fix for the problem till sometime in August. This would be a non issue, but the Hosts commented on Audi's quality over Tesla. Something smells at CR, or is it just a lack of knowledge about EVs.
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From transport Canada, not sure if it is different in the States. “Issue: On certain pre-launch demonstration vehicles, due to a faulty seal, water could enter the high-voltage (HV) battery through the HV battery charging socket. If moisture enters the HV battery, it could cause a short circuit. Note: This condition would cause a warning and the message "Electrical system: fault" to display in the instrument cluster. Safety Risk: An electrical short circuit could create the risk of a fire. Corrective Actions: None of the affected vehicles were sold to retail customers. All vehicles will be inspected by the company to verify if there is any moisture in the HV system. If no moisture is found, a better seal will be installed. If moisture is found, other components of the HV system will also be replaced.”
Beatiful Talking about the evolution of suv' S story from the confort to the perfection of electric motor that is another level of elegant to move around.Thank you for the report
Want to cancel your e-tron order? - According to the reservation holder, he was informed that be would be facing a fine amounting to 8% of his order’s purchase price. “I could break the contract (or) buy a Fast Track car, but I couldn’t just break the contract. They would then have 8% (around $6,800) of the purchase price of around NOK 750,000 (around $85,000) for breach of contract. So now I’m still waiting,
Some E-Tron owners have reported a dismal 170 mile real-world range. Hilarious.
I think the objection regarding the insufficient autonomy of the Audi eTron for road trips as a family car is overstated. With kids, you have to make frequent stops, otherwise you'll go crazy. The stops might not be long enough to top off the battery but, will be sufficient to provide you with additional autonomy untill a longer stop. Unless the kids are sleeping in the back and you intend to maximize the mileage during that time.
I really wanted to buy a Tesla but this video saved me by pointing out that the Tesla has greater range and better performance along with better technology. Who wants all that? Give me a slower, less efficient car with less range any day. Thank you Consumer Reports!
Great to see CR review consistency and high quality since the 1960s
The Q5, X3, and GLC are way above the “near luxury” choices like the CX-5.
I’m surprised no one mentioned the RDX.
I have a top spec Europe 2016 Mazda6 with their Matrix LED headlights. They ROCK! I came from a 2005 Audi A4 with xenon headlights and the Mazda6 Matrix LEDs are better in every aspect, not just that they selectively turn on and off the high beams, but in every other aspect as well. When I drive at night, I just turn on the high beams and leave them on, and the car just turns on and off. It's great to have high beams for instance on the side of the road while not blinding oncoming traffic.
What happens when you're behind someone? Do they recognize that?
As usuel, very informative and excellent informations for the seniors.
Since when recommending an inferior product (e-Turd) while bashing the better product is considered" excellent information"???
Insane that these old farts say an e-tron is incredibly competitive with Tesla because it's "conventional" and "shifts beautifully" (??????)
Let's just ignore that Teslas are way more efficient, have almost twice as much range, are way faster and don't have "elegant pullaways". (bs) Tesla also has a very intuitive and easy supercharger network that gets faster and faster by the year and can I just point out that the $42,000 Model 3 standard range plus has more range and is just as fast to 60 and has a higher top speed than the $80,000 e-tron....... Can I also point out that the Model 3 outsold ALL other luxury sports sedans and that the Model X has been on the market since 2016 and the 2019 e-tron still can't compete with it? Can anyone smell total automotive journalist prejudice against Tesla because I can.
azera55555 Tesla has shit quality tho
@@f181234 It's good enough, don't expect too much from an American brand, it's better than pretty much any Ford or GM model, and compares well with BMW models under the $80k price range.
But it's easier to get a better cushion for your butt than technology under the hood, and Tesla is considered to be 7 years ahead by experts.
@@f181234 Perfectly satisfied with my 2019 Model 3 build quality. What precisely did you personally found to be of "shit quality" on your Tesla? Because I assume you know this for a fact, first hand, right?
Here is what you got right:
Perceive build quality - The Audi looks the price
Brand confidence - The campaign by the dealership lobbies to kill Tesla has been effective at limiting service centers. The Audi network will be attractive.
Quiet - Yep, Audi knows how to make a car quiet.
Perceived luxury - The interior speaks to why you paid so much.
Here is opinion that I disagree with:
Front grill - I hate fake grills on EV’s. Imagine making an iPhone look like a Blackberry because that is what you were comfortable with. You sound like old people not wanting to change. “In my day nice cars had big grills…”
Styling - OK, I’m weird in that I think the Model X has decent styling. I don’t see the appeal of the two box SUV style. I find the style practical but I wouldn’t call it attractive. Personally I think the I-Pace looks better; fake grill and all.
OK, so you love the interface. If we went back in time here would be the equivalent iPhone review: “The iPhone’s interface lacks the conventional feel of the Blackberry. I like physical keys and a scroll wheel. I think consumers will feel much more comfortable with a Blackberry than with the iPhone’s everything on the screen interface.” I’m 66 and I feel like I’m young compared to the Consumer Report’s reviewers.
What you totally messed up:
Range - It is clear you haven’t lived with an EV as your only car. It can be done and it can be done with little compromise. Repeat after me “Range is everything. Range is everything.” There is already plenty of evidence from other reviewers that the range issue on the e-Tron is real. The failure in this area negates all of the good things.
Infrastructure - In Europe a car with a CCS port has a chance if the range is halfway decent. In the US it is different. Only Tesla has a decent charging infrastructure. Until you have lived with an EV and done long trips in an EV you won’t understand. My girlfriend just took her Model 3 on an 1800 mile round trip. She found the trip easy. It probably cost her one to two hours more than driving a gas car but she said she didn’t mind the extra breaks. The Tesla network is easier to use, cheaper, and more prevalent than any other extant in the US.
Seamlessness - The Tesla Model 3, as an example, just integrates so well into your life. The first clue is the lack of an ON/OFF button. Trips are seamless due to the routing that includes charging. You completely missed discussing this with respect to the e-Tron. This is the biggest surprise I got owning a Model 3.
Updates - The large single screen of the Model 3 means tremendous flexibility. Remember that flip phone that was the same when you put it into the trash as it was the day you bought it? Compare that to an iPhone. My Model 3 is constantly evolving. Some things are bug fixes. Others are fun updates such as games. Yet other updates bring wonderful new features such as Sentry mode.
Summary:
Learn what is different about an EV and what it means to live with one so you know what matters. Also, stop being Luddites who long for the past. Cars are becoming software platforms just like the change that happened to the cell phone. Embrace the change.
Basically Audi is a Blackberry, and Tesla is an iPhone. CR likes the Blackberry, it says more about their age, they don't see the trend.
You're always cool Jen. Keep up the good work.
17:10. U think the Tesla’s controls are “bizarre” and “unconventional”. U are such a ”has been”. Hop back in your model t, with your levers, and switches and knobs and go home. U stifle progress!
It always amuses me when someone who uses "agape" (and Tru, no less!) is rude in their posts. 😂
Reviews by E-Tron owners are getting over 260 miles on a charge
Three people talking is chaotic.
My family owns a brand new subaru, a Honda, and a Nov 2018 tesla M3 dual motor.
Tesla has become our choice for family road trips, 18k miles in road trips, NYC to Canada multiple times, to Washington DC, etc.... Never a problem driving at below 20.
Regarding the elegant acceleration, tesla also has the option to chose which drive you want BTW, Audi does not have any kind of options.
CR unfortunately has become an untrustworthy source of reviews. They should stick to appliance and household equipment. Leave the rest of to professionals
Families who buy $80 K cars still take road trips where they are driving 300-400 miles to visit family, go to the beach or go skiing. Who is flying for 300 miles taking a family of 3 or 4, dealing with TSA, renting a car and all that?
Tesla works. Audi, no where to charge, no network charging stations. How can it be more useful when you can’t drive it out of the city. Your opinions , CR, are so shortsighted, typical of people who don’t own and use Tesla.
You must be kidding! The low range is fine because people who buy a $80K car could also buy a second car? How about telling "consumers" to buy a $50K Tesla Model 3 that has 50% more range and supercharger network so they could do with just one car? What is your beef with Tesla? They couldn't match what Audi is paying you?
You guys really make yourself a bad name if you're trying to sell us this BS. It's obviously not an objective competition if you consider the e-tron, which already experiencing a recall because of a not properly sealed battery a more preferably choice in terms of reliability. What's next? The doors fall off?
The range is much greater on the Tesla, they have a proper navigation system, which also plans stops at convenient placed locations where you usually can also take a break with a coffee or a meal.
It's also much faster charging, because of lower consumption and higher charge rate.
If a Model Y has 200'ish miles of range for 40K'ish the e-tron sales will tank quickly. Assuming an e-tron even exists to purchase or lease in 2020.
Automatic high beams are evil in suburbia, with cars blinding pedestrians.
20:30 Hi Jenn, that was a 2014 Chrysler 300 base with 18" comfort wheels. No issues, very reliable with me and the best comfort "pot holes isolation" machine I ever driven, better comfort ride than my 2014 Jaguar xjl (I love unreliable BEAUTIFUL CARS :-) . CHRYSLER 300 is Great on Long trips, super comfortable, spacious and great looking on white. The transmission always is tune great for a luxury cruiser, engine noise is just right, sounds just right without taking away the luxury ride. The bad thing is the headlights, but I like the car enough to tolerate playing with the high been lights when I can. Any other reliable 2014 Chrysler 300 base owners out there? Over 70k miles, no problems.
Consumer Reports, how do you like that big oil money?
Can't believe I agree with CR on the shifter. But that's not a good design on E Tron
They‘ll sell 5-10k a year then discontinue after 2 years due to lack of demand. 200 miles is about 60% of the CURRENT Tesla range for similar price. Tesla range will get better by the time Audi actually ships this thing.
When asked about luxury compact SUV's, why didn't you mention the BMW X3? It's rated #1 in your ratings and is superior to the Audi Q5 head to head, particularly with a lot of options at the same price point (see CR video comparison). When comparison shopping a loaded X3 to the Audi Q5, the X3 won out for us and it has fantastic safety and technology features. We have had our 2019 X3 for almost a year and have loved it!
While I love the idea of buying an EV, I think I will have to wait another 3 or 4 years and get a used Model Y or electric SUV. The price to entry is too high for me at the moment. I think the used market will be a great place for a lot of people who are curious about electric cars to start by then.
Good info for those of us over 50. There are tons of other sites for those who can't handle two minutes of that.
The whole reason for an EV is to help the planet. And Etron is an “electron guzzler” compared to Tesla.
Interior & exterior trim pieces generally get discontinued first. The side cover of the drivers seat tends to break often. If you have painted exterior pieces you may want to have some replacements stashed away. Otherwise you are stuck trolling eBay for possibly years or forums for your vehicle. Seats & headliners; any decent upholster shop can take care of that.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
What part exactly was "great"? The part when they recommend the inferior recalled fire hazard E-turd? Or the part where they bash the superior Tesla?
Why mostly dealership salesman unhappy for this electric car, and don't ever talk instead refer to other audi ice car
Simple, salesmen want to sell you a car today that they have in stock. Right now every Audi dealer is most likely limited on how many E-Trons they will get this and next year.
No thanks, I rather spend my money on a Tesla. Another antiamerican EV review
The main difference in-between the two cars is that the model X feels like a hyper-modern electric car and the Audi feels like a high quality luxury car. The steering is light and it wofts along without a sound, it's a perfect highway cruiser, dead silent, super stable and the bang and Olufsen sound system is superb. Although the model X has more punch and a bigger wow factor with the falcon wing doors, the Audi is simply higher quality. Everything from the sound when you close the doors to the all the materials you touch, it's simply better. The leather feels cheap in the Tesla compared to the leather and alcantara in the Audi. The model X does have better range, however I rarely need to drive longer than the Audi can and Norway's fast charging network is quite good. That in addition to the 150kw/h charging speed makes it the better choice for me, it's simply a more luxurious and comfortable car.
Small addition, the model X has been one of Norway's best selling cars for the last couple of years, so pretty much everyone and their grandma has a model X, so it's nice to have something that there aren't 5 identical cars to in every parking lot.
Forgot about the Chrysler LH/LHS and Eagle Vision!
What is wrong with manufacturers that they can’t design great headlights? Seriously, how can it be so hard? I am shopping for a largish CUV and some of them can’t get an IIHS “Good” rating. I won’t buy a vehicle *without* that “good” rating plus your (Consumer Reports) recommended rating plus your reliability rating of at least 3/5 but preferably 4-5/5.
I think it's about cost, most people don't notice the headlight performance until they've bought the car, so it's one of the places manufacturers can save money, and I think it's manufacturers trying to move buyers to more expensive trims. While I like the whiter light HIDs and LEDs produce, they have a shorter throw and sharper cutoff than halogen lights.
You can get a 2 year old etron now for less than $40,000 because of that shorter range. Yes, they have lost half their value in two years mostly due to them being too expensive to start with.
Maybe your ' deficient ' headlights are trying to tell you to slow the hell down and you're just not listening.
E tron cost 75k, how is it compare to model x with 3 row. Etron is more likely model y size and internal. Which cost 39900, for similar range and acceleration. Also I seat in Etron back in my auto show, the floor is almost like wrangler high why no one here mention about that. What about charging station. Charging at 120 mile every 30 mins is half what model 3 or model y could be at version 2 supercharger available now.
Jennifer’s Mustang is awesome!
I just can't get used to Talking Cars recommending cars with just "average" reliability over cars with good to excellent reliability.
Neither can I.
I hate to be disparaging but these reviewers are either ignorant (spent less than 1 hour with the cars they talk about) or they are just flat out paid shills. Everybody is allowed to have preferences for what a vehicle should look like as that is subjective but they completely contradict themselves many times over. I'll preface my rant by saying I own a Model X for almost a year now but I test drove an etron before purchasing it (I had early access here in LA) and still decided to go with the Model X.
-When you have upper middle class income and you prioritize safety you will be looking at vehicles like an etron and a Model X. For the reviewer to talk about buying a Rav 4 hybrid and a Miata is utterly nonsense - is the miata supposed to be towed behind the Rav4 with your luggage in it or the 6th passenger? Seriously, the Toyota Highlander Hybrid runs about 60K fully loaded and would have a more sensible comparison. What these bad reviewers fail to understand in their shortsighted view is the safety provided by the premium vehicles and one accident can easily cause 1/2 million dollars of medical bills. I guess CR is always penny wise pound foolish.
-The etron is perfectly fine for a daily driver and a daily errand vehicle. It can do all the things a cheaper Q5 can do and if Audi did their job correctly it won't come with insane yearly maintenance which CR completely and utterly ignored. They completely missed total cost of ownership. Again penny wise pound foolish. Sure you lose out on opportunity cost of the money not available but EVs end up having a lower cost of ownership as little as 5 years out, much earlier if you drive a lot.
-CR honestly doesn't give a rats ass about CO2 output of vehicles or transition to sustainable energy. Without people adopting battery usage the price will not go down. The Hyundai Kona EV would run around the same price as a Rav4 hybrid but would be a lot cheaper to operate 15kmiles/year.
So I do think the etron was an OK start by Audi. It was not one of their best attempts because it was a rush to deliver as evidenced by it not having a dedicated platform to start with and Audi's insistence on keeping that unneeded grill. If they wanted to they could have put an led lightstrip into the front and it would have had a better profile and lower cd and let the owner deiced if they wanted to light it or not. Audi is always showing off their headlights in commercials. The interior is nice, the leather is nicer than the Vegan in my Model X, and I do like the HUD and the display for the navigation is better than the Tesla on the driver dash as it is 3d compared to Tesla's 2D. The etron fails in efficiency. When you have 5% loss here, 5% there, it ends up being a multiplicative effect like A x 0.95^4 is now only 81.4% of A - so 4 items with 5% loss already cut down efficiency almost 20%. Improving the cd, switching to lighter more efficient motors and perhaps ditching the pouch cells and going to array packs like Tesla does could get those mileage numbers up.
But these reviewers either have an outright hate of Tesla or just trying to be cool to be contrarian to the Tesla sheep. I personally don't give a rats ass what others drive and don't use my car as a status symbol. I still have my Honda Odyssey which has more buttons on the dash than any Audi will ever have and is honestly the most practical people mover ever made. But I only miss 1 button on my Model X and that is the AC. I always like to cycle off the AC before parking so mildew doesn't grow and it requires an extra second to tap the button on the Tesla versus tactile push on my Odyssey as I get close to home. Other than that the screen on the Model X is lightyears ahead in control of any other car. It's so funny they mock it when even McDonalds is pushing people to order food though a touchscreen kiosk. And shifting gears in the Tesla is the easiest I have ever seen in any car. The shifter in all other cars seems almost archaic now, and Audi I guess felt the need to be quirky with the big boatshifter. How the reviewers can say the etron is more practical than the Model X is beyond me. The Model X carries more people, has higher towing ability, more than 50% more range, faster charging. You can't even take a trip from LA to San Diego and back in the etron without recharging whereas you could make that easily with a Model X. Hell if you can make it home to recharge in a Tesla you would actually save time over a gas car by avoiding a 5-10 min gas station trip. The only thing I can see as a more practical aspect of the etron is you can put a conventional roof rack for carrying canoes and bikes which for a Tesla would require a trailer or rack on the tail.
Petrol based vehicles are still needed in areas with consistent cold weather and for off road use where the battery could be damaged but for the majority of drivers in temperate climates an EV is becoming a more practical option as each day passes. Pathetic that CR can't see that. I wonder how much they'll bad mouth the MB EQC when it comes out.
Jon Lincove, great point about the Etron buyer not taking road trips. I think you nailed it. Also, DC fast chargers are getting more and more common, so taking long trips will only get easier.
I was surprised that I saw no mainstream media coverage of the passing of Lee Iacocca. He was a very, very public figure back in the "day", and his passing seemed to go unnoticed. Wow, that e-tron seems like a non-starter ... just doesn't seem to offer 80K USD worth of value anyway you measure it.
I hear Consumer Reports' magazine sales have had a similar... "elegant pull-away” issue, maybe just not connecting with the younger readership.
Such an eloquent turn of phrase to turn a negative on its head, among many others. Like the lack of range passed off as "just take a plane" while in the same breath knocking its Tesla equivalent with *significantly* higher range as not good enough.
Quite a contrast, despite claims of impartiality and independence from business relations.
www.teslarati.com/tesla-rival-audi-etron-could-drive-shoppers-away-from-model-x-consumer-reports/
Grandparents SUV? I chose the 2019 Acura RDX for myself with the technology package. Advanced safety package is included as is blind spot monitoring and automatic high beams! Additionally for safe parking, pushing the engine stop button (at a full stop) while in "D" the car will place itself into park "P". This vehicle is much better than CR's initial impressions
Curious why the etron is considered an suv when it looks like a wagon to me.
Love these. Wish they were cranked out faster
the more evs the better, the air is cleaner for everyone as it has no tail pipe, who cares if its made in Europe, bring it on, be happy someone is driving a car without a tatl pipe.
The mainstream mfg argument is sounding a little hollow after the last EV sales stats.
Segment should be called "Gramps n' Grannys talkn EV's"
That's an ugly statement.
Lee Iacocca is also known for the "Unacceptable" Dodge Horizon and Plymouth Horrizon by CR before that minivan success. That was another low point for his career. Also responsible for the K-car platform which made up their most successful cars and minivans later on. Another car superstar who is still alive is Bob Lutz, who also worked at Ford and was involved in saving GM designs later in his career. While parts don't have to be made beyond the end of production, most manufactures will do it for 6 years. Even when Saab went out of business parts were available for another 6 years, and third parties filled in some gaps after that but parts were still available. So parts could be an issue but are not the same for everyone.
I beleive that you missed a critical point in your review. Audi/Porsche/VW electric vehicules are designed to be charged at 75 or 80% battery capacity in about 20 minutes (better than Tesla?) with a new networks of fast charging stations accross the country. Why ? Will you test, review and compare how storing energy is done for the new electric cars ? Increasing battery capacity makes the car heavier. This is why fast charging capabilities matters.
Another Lee Iacocca hit and often underappreciated car was the Chrysler Lebaron convertible. The Lebaron was far from perfect, but it did make convertibles popular again after the Big Three discontinued them back in the mid 70's. The 1987-95 Lebaron convertible in particular is still a good looking car today in my opinion.
Where's Ryan?
You should change your company name to biased reports
17 minutes discussion on a endless money pit...guys talk cars to your mainstream audience
Avoid from 9:40 to 18:10, that's bullshit. Thanks in advance
Stop making obvious and GLARING engineering incompetencies look like a FEATURE!...."Elegant pull-away" and such nonsense! They cannot compete with Tesla's speed & instant torque, so they bailed out with Marketing vomit!..."Its more luxurious..Blah blah". I am not paying an extra $50,000 for a well trimmed interior..That's a poor return on investiment. I could go on & on, If you were paid to find "something good about etron" just say so , but please stop deceiving the public for this overpriced/fire risk disaster!
Did he just compare that rav4 to that Audi ? Are you serious. That seriously brought the whole “luxury vibe “ down 😂😂
She said Audi has good quality, is this "comedians in cars getting coffee"?
If safety and luxury are requirements, how is Volvo not an obvious choice? The XC40 and even the XC60 would be perfect.
No law regarding 10 years??????????
Jeff Adams I always thought it was a law too.
I'm surprised too, I was under the assumption that there was a 10 year law, but on a quick web search I couldn't find any federal law or regulation for it.
I enjoy your weekly videos and I do appreciate you all, BUT Jen is my favorite! Think about it - if Lee had not been an advocate to purchase AMC for the Jeep brand that FCA (after many bad times) would not be here today. Jeep and RAM are basically all they have left. Of course, RAM aka Dodge was not a part of AMC... Thank you all for everything you do to educate we consumers.
If you can afford the e-tron, you can afford to rent a car for a long trip.
I love gen she’s so sweet , but does she smoke cigarettes?
In the 70s quality was shockingly awful. I had a Pinto and a top-line LTD and the interior plastics in both had pale streaks in them where the pigment was not uniformly blended. Plus, they rusted away in 75,000 miles.
The trade off, less rage than the competition but faster charge times , as fast or faster than Tesla
Not true, new model x raven can charge with 200kW and since model x is more efficient you can go further with that stored energy in battery.
Not 5 or 10%, but ***60%*** more range. Which makes the E-Turd obsolete out of the box. Also stop lying about charge rate. Tesla charge way faster, period. Up to 1000 miles per hours on a V3 SuperCharger.
Lol @ all the trig'd Tesla fanbois. Not even remotely 'luxury' and worse interiors than a 1984 Lada.
Bitch, please...
1- Shut the fuck up
2- Go fuck yourself
3- Fuck off
And the comments once again show Tesla Fanboys are the most anti EV people out there.
Guess they would be happier if those Audi fans brought a Diesel instead...
Bitch, please... The E-turd in an inferior product in every respect compared to a Tesla. The end.
Now, you can go ahead and:
1- Shut the fuck up
2- Go fuck yourself
3- Fuck off
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You all have as much diversity as Lee Iacocca's corporate board. Doesn't represent best practices. Corny jokes don't land, everyone is super unnatural and it just doesn't work. More diversity in programming and editorial content would improve sales, subscriptions and views-- all of which increase revenue. This ain't rocket science, y'all.
Mike Quincy is the worst automotive journalist.
Hm. Whom to believe? A bunch of Tesla fanboys yapping in the comments or unbiased/objective professional vehicle reviewers? Yap yap yap yap yap.
Bitch, please...
1- Shut the fuck up
2- Go fuck yourself
3- Fuck off
people....... you are getting old.