SEN Tenz Reacts to Shroud & Alexsander's Less Crouch While Shooting & Demon1 Aim
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Had to rewatch it like 20 times to understand. They don’t instinctively instantly counterstrafe as soon as they shoot a burst or as soon as they tap, they go full stop and take that extra microsecond to make sure the shots gonna hit, if it doesn’t THEN they strafe focusing more on raw mouse aim and THEN movement. When they do strafe, the strafes are very quick and not far as well. Basically as other people have said they have no “wasted movement” and it gives it that clean indescribable look because the movement and aim are so linked and intricate. It’s kind of hard to describe and I know I’m definitely not describing it properly but oh well
I liked the "No wasted movement", you really can explain their gameplay with that, add good crosshair placement/raw aim, and there you have it, CLEAN
actually there are 2 types of calm aim the one that you mentioned and the second one where the player adjust the crosshair while strafing and when it connect with the enemie head he stop and shoot and when he kill him he take a milisecond to localise the other player and then repeat the same thing by strafing first(english is not my first language (= )
It helps that shroud has literally been playing CS since he was about 4 years old.
You're overthinking
@@regu. same good perspective
I think Shroud mentioned he counterstrafe, but letting go is easier.
I also believe once you overcome the fear of death in game, you will stop shoot and not move until the enemy is dead.
But counterstrafing isn't about fear of death it's about moving between shots to be a harder target
@@zkaynnn no my guy, counter strafing is pressing the opposite movement key of your current movement direction to immediately kill the momentum on your movement which in turn makes you immediately accurate off movement. It originated from CS where movement has momentum and persists a little bit even after you stopped pressing the movement keys.
@@zkaynnn exactly, why be a harder target when u can just kill them first?
@@futsuuna i know, counter strafing is also used for strafing between shots which is what I'm talking about. Look at the context mate
@@royyaps because spraying is random in valorant and it's better to 2 shot then wait and 2 shot again(or same thing but 1 shot and wait). You strafe between those 2 shots and the next one because u have to wait for reset and can't shoot so best thing to do is strafe and be a harder target to hit
I think confidence is the key here, people counter-strafe because they think they'll die instantly if they stop moving, same idea as crouching instantly.
most of the times I die cuz I walk back in the enemy crosshair
@@SunSaikomix up your strafe pattern for example i dont go left, right, i got left, longer left, then right etc
@@Opin10n what do you think I do but you still gotta go back to change it up and once you do sooner or later you gon walk back in their crosshair but if you stop instantly they gon assume you gon move but instead you allign your shot and 1 tap just like shroud I wonder why you don't see the pros moving so much
I disagree with crouching. I crouch to only decrease spread from habit of maiming Odin (Odin crouch spray is a LAZER, better then aiming down sight for the increase in fire rate). That being said I only do it to decrease spread not because I think it’s gonna save me. Shit every time I get headshot I think to myself “if only I wasn’t crouching!” Lol
@@SilentMeDude you're prolly playing in lobbies where the majority of players aim chest level
Tenz watching his dad Shroud to learn from him. It's so cute
☠️💀
You really just commented that...
I CAN TELL THAT THIS COMMENT IS SOMEONE FROM INDIA
He's been a femboy off shroud for decades now
@@wonxvvvwtf are you talking about
I think tenz aim and movement is fine, everyone has their own aim style and their own strengths and weaknesses
Yeah and he’s even expanding his aim style now since he’s playing more of a flex role so Zekken can play raze on some maps where double duelist isn’t viable
Technically the #1 best duelists in each region don’t have calm aiming style (Derke, Aspas, Something/Jinggg)
@@vxu3826 if you really think about it their aim looks so fast but their decision making and positioning is all there to let them take some time in the shots they take they’re all calm aimers but can turn it up and be explosive at times maybe the gameplay doesn’t look that calm but when you see them while they’re playing they’re the calmest people on stage
@@Willy_Gee i didnt say theyre not calm but okay
watch yay or cryo play and then watch aspas and derke play and youll see a big difference with how they aim
@@vxu3826 yay & cryo are two washed players & meanwhile aspas & Derke most consistent from the start
Like seeing aleks get some recognition he’s so underrated
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Shroudy has always been a calm clean aimer man.. He's mastered the art of micro-movements and raw aim.
They are basically trading movement for more accurate confirmed shots . Also it helps with positioning as their playstyle do not reward for more wide kills . While on the other hand tenz probably has a more chaos driven style where he finds opening and kills . Thats why all duelist whatever the level mostly shine when feikd has chaos the more unpredictability in round the more duelists shine . While stop and shoot is a rythmic gameplay
We heckin love TenZ.
He heckin love shroud.
When he brought up that Less’s aim style is similar to this, I remembered Vct analyst’s breaking down his movement. The thing that makes him such an insane and unique player is the amount of wasted movement he has, it’s almost zero. Which is absolutely insane to think about, but all these players have almost zero wasted movement or momentum. Which makes them look like a turret at times but they hit every shot, the best kind of aiming style in valorant imo.
Wdym wasted mobement
@@spacemanjr12 Less movement
Does it mean standing still
to the replies under this comment, look at how prod plays then compare that to shroud.
"coming is probably the best style"
- Tenz
aleksander aim is so smooth
alexander is legit human aimbot
the ending perfectly explains valorant movement
I think it's more about having perfected crosshair placement rather than not moving. They just click the head consistently and only make small movements with ad and tap fire. They all basically never flick
playing deathmatch like this is awesome, its a lot easier. Movement sometimes destroy you aim, like when you do kovaak, you are standing still, if you start to move, you will get less score, because you will need to microadjust everytime you move, or adjust with your movement, instead of just focus in the kill.
And when you full stop, people sometimes overaim you and need to go back the crosshair to the enemy, this kind bugs many people.
Lol easy pickings
How can I move like that IT LOOKS PERFECT and I managed to do it in team deathmatch and got 15 kills with the ghost cuz of it just as TenZ said its simply perfect movement
It's a lot more than "just stands still". He doesnt over-move.
Agree with the top comment, if you notice in range, when you don't move at all it becomes much easier to hit the targets. (Because we are designed this way, since we suck at multitasking, which is a lot harder). It's the same concept here.. Instead of gen-z neon sprinting, sliding and shooting, its the calculated movement and focus on AIM that makes you a lot better than the rest.
i think the only difference is invert movement ? there are people who move away from the enemie hand have their crossairplacement to the right side of the Head. ANd These People just do the exact opposite and move right to the enemie not away
I think coming from playing many years of Counter-Strike, it's just second nature that you come to completely stop and aim for head and shoot. Even if you move the slightest while shooting, your bullets will not land 99% of the time in CS, and it's very punishing. Then once you're comfortable with that method, you can mix in with strafe and a bit movement with coming to another complete stop, aim and then shoot for head again. The only time you should be spraying is if the enemy is very close to you; otherwise, it's always better to aim for head and just shoot 1-2 bullets at a time and readjust your aim and do the same again, because it's more efficient to land 2 headshots than 5-10 body or leg shots. Not only does this method conserve your ammo, but it's more about getting your mind to calming down while taking the time to aim and shoot, instead of just shooting and relying on RNG bullets landing headshots.
Shroud also mentioned in one of his streams the reason why he uses bigger crosshair is because he doesn't need to focus as hard with his eyes and kind of just pinpoint a general area where enemy's heads are at and shoot at that direction to get a headshot; whereas if you were to use a small dot as your crosshair, sometime you can't even see where your crosshair is and you lose more time trying to focus rather than aiming and shooting.
Counter strike at a higher level has more microstrafing than val. 90% of great aim csgo pros fight the way tenz fights because movement is faster in csgo so microstrafing gives you more of an advantage compared to val.
i think the idea tenz is implying is that CSGO movement habits doesn't flavor in Val, csgo moves faster and you HAVE TO hit a counter movement key to counterstrafe while moving at full speed. However, in Val, the movement is slower, so when you let go of the key, it will instantly come to a complete stop, whereas if you hit an opposite movement key to try to counter-strafe might cause you to move extra to opposite direction(if the timing isn't right) which causes messing up 1st bullet accuracy.
Maybe some of it comes from CS but also on a fundamental level its pretty different, since valorant doesn't have counter strafing.
Less goooo aleksander getting some love
Bro shroud as counterstrafing in his DNA he is doing it without thinking about it it's insane
Aproto and Alek are aim demons shesh 😮😮
honestly i wouldve loved to see shroud play more of a duelist role, ik its not what most people would want or expect but i think it wouldve worked or at least been interesting
I think the whole video can be summed up in a few words - be slow and accurate instead of fast and inaccurate. Take your time, aim first, then shoot. Use less crouching so you can reposition/strafe after each kill.
Dude he's standing still fires a shot or two and moves. It's trying to be unpredictable instead of predictable movement
Meanwhile all my enemies run and gun in my lobbies
"yay has a very standstill movement style" thats is one of the sentences ever... 😂
I think it's like swinging towards a person and minimal cross hair placement then instinct comes in play..duno whether its true...these three go in mix.
I would say that, actually it is his Talent, many other Pros also mentioned it. That Shroud's hand eye coordination is on another level, he always quick to react, especially to any sudden movement that happen within his POV, and i think that is also his flaws.
Cracks me up how much people wanna suck his dick.
If you do something for 30+ years and you aren't on par with Shroud, you suck its plain and simple.
Its because he focus on Head shots, like pancada's aim style
link to full vod?
Aleks and Soulcas are crazy aimers
Reminds me of this old ass csgo fragmovie by area called "HStory". This is a bit counterintuitive since this guy was a cheater (which he was suspected for but wasn't confirmed for a while) but nevertheless he was the direct inspiration for ScreaM's onetapping style for example. I doubt he was completely useless without cheats, his movement was ahead of its time and it's the same thing that's talked about here.
I think when your aims as good as shrouds (and TenZ tbf) he trusts if he stands still the advantage he gets (by being able to focus on aim purely and not having to offset his movement on his aim) is greater than the advantage the enemy gets by him being an easy, still target. Probably won’t work unless your aim is truly exceptional like shrouds
Shroud literally moves only when necessary the amount of kills i missed even though my crosshair is right on the enemies head just cause i moved is tremendous
Demon1 seems to have it suite more towards his aim and playstyle rather than Shroud's. Alexsander is the GOAT
Shroud has better aim
If you're bad, do not try to replicate this.
I think the word tenz was looking for was they have really good timing and positioning. Getting in a spot to fight and then aiming is two sides of the same coin
Would be nice to see a comparison of pros on the opposite spectrum who dont aim like this. Asuna comes to mind, but cant think of anyone else since i havent been following the pro scene too closely recently.
Sacy, Xeppa
@@annelouise3379 sacy ' s aim is spray
forsaken, something, and ik seoldam isnt rly a pro player but him too. All these players including asuna play on really high sens
@@kieru7637seoldam isn't a pro player?? He was playing for dfm man tf are u talking about
@@dorutoxd8483 I
It's definitely a play style or a preference.
Gives me prime scream and niko vibes from cs
Thank God he finally understood to not crouch 😂
Feels good to be in the same play style category as Shroud/Alex
its not just crouching, its letting go of all movement keys when he sees an enemy
I think, especially for Valorant, crouching is ok depending on how you use it. Insta crouching is a no go because it develops panic into your aim, causing most people to spray. As Tenz said calm aim is the best aim in Valorant. Crouching itself isn’t bad for holding angles or peaking operators. It disrupts crosshair placements making it easier to win an aim duel if you can hit your first shots. Honestly don’t use crouching unless your immortal +.
@@stelar9999While I do agree with most points, I think not using crouch until immortal is a bit too much. As you said, there is still value in crouching when used under right circumstance. I'd say it's better to rebind your crouch key, so you would only use it conciously and not out of habit.
@Smelly yeah i had crouch binded to ctrl but after binding it to c and jump to ctrl my whole gameplay changed. I adjusted to moving using the new binds in about a day and my crouching problem just dissapeared. Its like destroying your whole muscle memory and then not creating the new muscle memory to crouch during gunfights on purpose
@@stelar9999 derke , aspas , demon1 , nats , suygetsu all crouch a lot , but still are best aimers.
Honestly both work but I like to stop as soon as I see the enemie, then strafe after the first shot. Ofc im nowhere as good as them tho 😂
Wish we could've seen shroud properly compete
It's called Gun-kata
vid link?
I like how these top tier players still trying to learn and improve their game
This is why they are top tier
The fact that even tenz is in awe means its normal. These are also highlights and he has these moments too. Nobody plays perfect all the time
hes not in awe cause he think shroud is a god hes in awe cause shroud is being immobile and not dying his aim style is vulnerable btu works when it shouldnt
All about fear,fear of death once you stop the fear you will move like that we ussually constantly move thinking it helps us stay alive but most of the time it just throws off my aim and makes me walk back in the enemy crosshair cuz they dogwater and can't be bothered to adjust
1440p 240Hz monitor is clear than 1080p 240Hz monitor tho
just need shroud's chair and 240hz monitor
I think I know what he meant.
It's like Tenz has this kind of habit(at the moment he streamed this)
to KEEP PRESSING counterstrafe, (a.k.a. deadzoning), while shooting, so the bullets sometimes doesnt go fully accurate. (because tracking and shooting error).
Ofc, sometimes he doesnt move when holding angle but what he meant is for entrying/clearing angle/retake situations.
Mainly because make him harder target to hit, but kinda hard to hit enemy
While, the people he mentioning, literally doesn't move when shooting, but make sure to kill enemy when shooting, EVENTHOUGH, by not moving he's an easier target.
I could be wrong, tho.
“Idk how to explain it but I do not do that” like yeah you don’t do that and you’ve won a world title
i don't think there's something right answer because imo what he's saying is a part of the counterstrafing.
if you miss your shot after letting go the key, you would start to press A D. and let the key go.
yea that's what we called counterstrafing and alexsander is doing perfect counterstrafing.
so you can improve it by practicing just like tenz said but important thing is you have to do counterstrafing anyway. it's just a matter of the timing of starting to do counterstrafing. so there's no right answer i guess
they look like theyre strafing an awful lot in these fights, maybe not compared to tenz but they certainly aren't just stationary
I'm not sure why it confuses people as to why his style of play is effective.
WE CALL IT TURRET MODE YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST 🗿🤓☝️👌🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
Lol calm aim *Asuna enters the chat*
ahhaah asuna is a caracter with that stupid laugh and the shaky aim
Overrated
Asuna left the tourney
cant believe the one who shaking the crosshair so hard like asuna can be a pro xD makes me realize that everyone has their own play style, just practice more so u can adapt with it.
Lol this is how I’ve always played it’s never made a difference counter strafing is .2 milliseconds faster but it’s not faster then peekers adv sooooo but my aim is nowhere near shrouds and I crouch too much when. I unbind I’m crazy tho
i quit valorant a few months ago and have played no shooter/fps games but i wanna come back now 😭 or should i stay away
Did you quit? Has your life gotten better?
@@H786... i came back after 3 months :/
you can still quit, i know it.@@saliva1305
I used to play like that my aim was crisp , maybe I wasted my time time learning counterstrafing.
That is a technique when you practice only aim no movement you are kind of insane but also easy to kill
i think tenz is overthinking it. theyre simply giving more effort and focus more on their aim/target
I'm only here to try to figure out what the heck this title means.
crazy movement like tf??? only doing counter strafes this game is no brainer
Your keyboard matters quite a lot too. If you have a keyboard that uses magnetic hall effect switches, like the wooting or the flux keyboard, then your movement is going to be much more responsive. Often what trips people up is the difference in reaction speed between their keyboard hand and their mouse hand.
I use a $10 Logitech keyboard from target
@@DiamondHoe Maybe don't play games then.
@@laeiounthe fuck lol? this is just massive copium from you
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I mean tenz should know it’s basic csgo movement like learn this in mg1
I dont know why tenz haters hate him, He never say his aim god or better than other but rather he always feel his aim not that great, never trashing other pros and still wanna improve his aim performance.
So… make sure you stand still and shoot
i think just because their raw aim is too good so they just stop and hit everything
1:03 i would call cheats tf is that
I think its because the dedicated so much to their aim and not movement
like in fortnite when i was bad i usually would 1 pump someone that was trying to clip me bc i didnt get the concept of building only aiming so it was easier to kill people trying to clip me
shroud also got really good movement he used to play kz all the time in cs. he just prefers this playstyle
ive been doing this since release, but im still hardstuck silver even though having +1630 counted hours in valorant only with daily 30 min warmup and 2 hr aim train and im a former cs player as well
BRO I GET IMMORTALS IN MY LOBBY EVEN THOUGH I BOTTOMFRAG EVERY SINGLE GAME
the mmr system is so fked up
edit:- is it because im on 60 fps 60 hz 59 ping? is it the hardware to blame or am i the worst player in history?
"they make it look like so much easier"
well if tenz stopped jumping and swaying his mouse for no reason it'll be easier haha
Nothing is perfect. But so cool when do it lol
Thought it was standard to stay still and shoot or am I missing something here ?
valorant player bro
yes
ALEKSANDAR THE GOAT
just wonder, can calm shooter shoot, crazy ass movement player, maybe like flight?
am i the only one seeing them strafe in between shots the same as everyone else?
Yes they are micro movements without counter strafe.
Lightly press a or d to move slightly in a position where your Enemies have to move more than you. This was an epiphany for me while explaining this to you. Try that out in dm
its common
just to clarify, i know how you move between shots and stuff, im just pointing it out because tenz is saying they are standing still, for me they are not standing still. I dont really see a difference in the way they aim compared to tenz
@@vendetta9399 aleksander and yay have minimal strafing. they only do it if they see the enemy stands still and misses a shot. they dont do it preemptively. while tenz does it preemptively in order to mess up the enemies aim.
@@vendetta9399 yay and aleksander are using more mouse aim than actually aiming with ur strafes. they only use strafes for micro corrections if needed.
Shroud said that you don't need to counter strafe in Valorant, CSGO you need to because there is momentum or velocity and you need to counter strafe to zero velocity. In valorant, there is no velocity. you just stop if you stop
He dosnt mean tap-stop counter strafing he means the type where you continue in the other direction and fire when your velocity reaches zero. I think dead-zoning is a better name for it
Park and bark meta
zombs does the same thing too
He is so in his own head he already lost atp
Lowkey Its not about not being able to stop and shoot , Those who've mastered counterstrafe to a point that they do it instinctively experience difficulties when trying to not move while shooting or taking a duel , I've been playing fps for so many years , and I am not good at counterstrafing but , my aim is steady and I don't move when i shoot , I insta stop and shoot as if I hit a wall and I'm stuck , but for shroud he does Know how to counterstrafe don't get me wrong he is a GOD at CS, PUBG and every game he touches, so what I'm saying is Shroud understands the mechanics behind the specific game rather than using his muscle memory from CS or anything but all these new pro's have a CS background so they can't lose their muscle memory, but for New valorant players people who have started Valo as their first fps game , would have a much easier time to stop their movement while shooting as they are conditioned that if they don't they miss their shot ,hence It's kinda understandable why Tenz feels this way.
there is no difference between counter and letting the a or d key go maybe its like a millisecond faster
shroud didn't play on Frankfurt servers xD
To do this you need to have insane aim, need to make sure you hit your first shot for most of the time so this honestly wont work for the majority of the people except for those that have insane aims
Looking for this. The perfect first shot is very necessary. If you don't have that, counterstrafe becomes fundamental in not dying. But I have noticed in my games(diamond) that I walk into their bullets when I counterstrafe.
@@thehuntsman5936 💯💯💯
@@thehuntsman5936 it does happen, make sure your movement is a bit more random, instead of just going left after going right or the other way around, try to do left left and then right or something even more random, this way the enemy can't predict ur movement
@@thehuntsman5936if u practice this tho, wouldnt you end up working a lot on your aim since thats what ur relying on to win duels?
i think boostio is more of that aim than demon1
Zellsis aims the same way
watch aleks and scourge to git gud. thank me later
*Aleksandar
maybe at this point on valorant is better to stand still in some cases because ppl are so used to people that strafe and preaim that and since all this turret god aim players dont move makes them harder to shoot?, does that make sense or am i saying non sense
Never gonna strafe again, that shit makes me lose aim a lot
Typical valulrant player mindset 😂
dude, yay is contantly counter starfing and moving. He is the best aimer in the world still, change my mind
Its that csgo movement and aim
Sarahcat tho
Is he not just playing how u would in cs.
Who is Aleksandar
the goat
shroud the type of dude to dominate rank and scrims and somehow be shit in pro play.
The common denominator between Demon1, Yay, and Alexsander is extremely low sensitivity.
yay uses 0.27 which isnt that low imo, people used to that sens may not feel slow with it, for example victor from nrg. demon1 uses crazy slow sens yea. aleksandar actually changes his sens on stream all the time and uses .4 on 800 or .2 1600 quite often. hes probably gone higher before he just doesnt bother with the command sometimes so people dont really know
@@azyfps "0.27 which isn't that low"
That is low, by any standard you want to use, including the average pro sense.
Naming 1 or 2 exceptions that happen to play lower doesn't mean 0.27 isn't low.
@@Ribcutit depends on the dpi they are using. Edpi is what we should be comparing in game sens means nothing
@@sparv1067 He's using 800 dpi and I'm obviously taking that variable into consideration.
@@Ribcut obviously it is lower than the normal, i might just be bias bc i used to play cs and low sens was a lot more common, but even then aleksandar plays average or higher sens too, 0.38 800, 0.2 1600, 0.22 1600. he plays both high and low lol hes just insane like that. i jus think linking sens to movement may not be valid, i think the movement is just preference