This is how thirsty concrete absorbs water.
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This is how thirsty concrete absorbs water. #concrete #asphalt #science
Remember to water your concrete every 2 weeks to keep it healthy
It'll grow and be as strong as asphalt
You do have a let it cure lol, we got water it down then put curing matts on top
That's the same stuff they use at elementary school playgrounds
@@turquoiseplisk9749 Asphalt is not stronger than concrete.
@@p-mster5465i think that's the point...
The concrete has behaved well this week.
It can have some water as a treat.
You've been a good boi 🐾
Here's some water 🤗
@masterx8276 🧉🧉
Your silly😂
Plot twist: it's been frozen outside for weeks and cracks it.
I got "he has behaved well, as a reward he can sit in the canoe" vibes from this comment
this is just straight up cool information i wish all youtube shorts were just this
Yea really
You have to get your algorithm to do that lol
@@happytrails5342 China found a way to do that for all their children on Tiktok.
no monday left me broken
Then nobody would watch UA-cam shorts 😂😂😂
Minor corrections. 1) It does not absorb water, it just lets the water run through it. That is part of the reason it doesn't have sand. 2) The reservoir method does exist, but typically, you want to move the water elsewhere rather than just store it. 3) Permeable asphalt is not typically used in high use roads, but pavers can be. 4) Permeable pavement requires much more maintenance but it is less impactful than conventional roads. Typically you have to clean the top layer of road every few months (weeks preferably) to make sure it doesn't get 'clogged'. In general though, very good video. Source: I am a permeable paver architect
If it is in a parking lot, it will be cleaned nightly.
that’s sick dude
Thanks for the clarification! I've seen this in a few places in my state, generally in the parking lots of gardens and parks. I hope it gets more use in the future.
How would you go about maintaining it?
Well, I wonder what type of asphalt does the states of Georgia. The Carolina's Alabama and Mississippi use on their interstates. Because that seems to be some sort of water absorbing asphalt as the video said. That probably won't ask fault humberable. Asphalt cannot be used on high-speed. Roadways with heavy traffic.But I've seen them use widely in the South on interstate highways rather than surface streets.Or side streets
It doesn't absorb it, it just allows for it to pass through it. If it absorbed, it means it would have kept it inside of itself like a sponge.
this video is full of false information.
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Who lives in van behind Home Depot
Concrete-SquarePants!
That's still absorbing.
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There is permeable asphalt which can be used for highways. It's everywhere in the Netherlands, since it was invented there. You won't often see a puddle since rain seeps through the road.
Yeah we love the switch of highway when we enter from germany!
We need that for motorways in the UK. When a road floods due to poor design our maintenance department puts up permanent signs saying “flooding likely” 👌😂 you often don’t know about flood until too late on the motorway!
Which is one of the many reasons Im very proud of my country
Still don't think it will work on highways where I live because there is too much movement with far to many large vehicles.
@@blickedxbit does work! Here in holland we have it on every highway and we got a lot of heavy trucks on it.
The Netherlands actually uses this kind of concrete everywhere. We experience a lot of rain. Besides that it is safer to drive during heavy rainfall, since not all the rain splashes up. The more you know!
Didn't even knew we already this, let alone it existed
Does it get clogged up by dirt?
It’s a different kind of pavement. Look up zoab (zeer open asfalt beton) they make more sustainable zoab nowadays and it makes the road quieter to boot.
Is that why u guys ride bikes everywhere?
ZOAB
They forgot to mention that it needs maintenance more frequently than regular asphalt. This type of asphalt can get "clogged" with dirt and sand, so it needs to be vacuumed.
This is used for almost all highways in the Netherlands. I have never seen a vacuum cleaner on our highways and we have one of the best, if not the very best highway system in the world.
@@autobootpiloot I can confirm, you guys have the best highways in the world. But permeable pavement should be vacuumed at least once every 3 months. They probably do it late at night and it just happens that you have never seen them doing it.
@@alegame135 Trust me, it doesn't happen. Not only have i never seen it while i drive at all hours of the day. I also never heard about it and i do take interest in this kind of stuff.
@@autobootpiloot bro Google it and you can read it, this type of asphalt needs to be cleaned.
@@alegame135source?
We have this in our neighborhood in WA where it rains all the time, it lasted about 6yrs and will need to be redone because its getting clogged with moss which is also breaking it down and turning it into a gravel road
これは定期的にメンテナンスを要するものです。
メンテナンスを施さない場合、5年程度でゴミになります。
That is what I thought while watching the video 🤦🏽♂️
@@manusaurio_ what about freezing water?
@@zolikingsthorpe7297no it won’t let it freeze cuz it’ll pass through first and our sewers and drains don’t freeze
@@v.j.1017 Is it heated somehow? Pour water to a minus 20 celsius anything and you will see that it will not flow anywhere...
There is a road in Austin Texas called Mopac that is paved with this. Its awesome to drive on in the rain, there is no water kicked up by cars.
Oh! I drive on Mopac so often, but i never noticed that. Neat.
Ill have to remember that when it rains and check it out. I didnt know that.
Some countries in Europe have actually started to use this in highways, and yes it is awesome
Gotta visit austin sometime, only 300 miles away
Wait, since when has mopac been drivable? I haven't lived in Austin in like 15 years, but loop 1 was always a clusterf*ck to try and drive due to endless roadwork.
My biggest concern would be shifting and the possibility of sink holes under the construction depending on location. High drainage areas might be an erosion concern for that.
It is a possibility, the reason they don’t come around as often is due to the asphalt not letting most of the water sink into it, with this it’s gonna let every single drop making the ground into mud and eventually a sink hole
You need a drainage underneth it, because even if the asphalte can absorb this much water like shown in the video, the soil most likely can´t!
So you must install a drain pipe to prevent damage in the underground an therefore in the asphalte.
The engineers just called to thank you! Your concerns have caused them to tear everything out again! - If we would listen all the time to concern creators like you, development would had stopped with the wooden wheel!
Have a nice day.
You put drainage blanket of an aggregate with fines. Here in Oregon we use 1 1/2-inch minus. Sometimes the base rock is also laid on top of a subgrade geotextile fabric.
@assman3487 it highly depends on the type of soil if you need a drainage or if you can seep away the water. Drainage systems along roads are common.
A moat along the road isnt really comparable to this technique shown becuase you have way more volumen to store rainwater and most likely a drain to an other sewer systems or river.
Hi, from Chicago. Our roads last about 2-3 months
Hi from pothole city Montreal! 😅
Is that because gangsters destroy your roads?
@johndododoe1411 no they destroy innocent families with their stray bullets
here in Mexico we have a solution for that, just dont pace roads, if there isnt a road then the road cant have potholes
God I hate this city.
My small hometown installed this as bike lanes on the side of the main road, and angled the road a bit more aggressively to drain water into them and it’s been insanely nice. Not a single pothole in 7 years. Small stretch of road with not a crazy amount of traffic, but the results seem so drastically different
oo that’s smart, get extra room for bikes with different looking asphalt to tell it apart, and all the benefits from drainage without having to replace the main roads or use as much of the pricier porous stuff
@@sage5296 exactly, it works great. One of the few times I greatly appreciated the use of tax dollars. I visit my father from time to time now that I’ve gone to college and graduated, and still not a single pot hole or sign of filling/road work. From what he tells me the roads are usually dry shortly after rain as it all drains perfectly into the bike lanes.
It does make the bike lanes unbearable for bikers during rain storms, but let’s be real I don’t think many cyclists are out during a thunderstorm. But still worth noting I suppose.
Really? That's reassuring to hear afterthat kind of testimonial
@@ryanbolson23that is a really good idea. win win for the drivers and the cyclists
Yeah but what will it do to our health
Most highways in the Netherlands are made of this. It’s actually invented here. It’s called ZOAB which translated stands for ‘very open asphalt concrete’. The first iterations were prone to have black ice issues, but that’s been solved. Because it’s concrete and asphalt, and because water seeps through its less likely to crack due to freezing. It lasts a long time and that’s one of the reasons we have some of the best roads in the world
Lol i just wrote the same comment... my bad 😅 We are just proud of our roads 😎
No, you the best highways in the world because your entire country is the size of California and you have hard rocky soil. You scrape the topsoil off and pave over the rock and it would last forever.
@@BrianBourgeois- lol ur kidding right? It is about 60% swamp and mud
Interesting
@@BrianBourgeois- keep trying with you bs kid
“Yo can I have a sip?”
“Sure, just be careful, don’t drop it-“
And they drop it and it all disappears!
... does this imply that the person would lick the water up on non-porous cement?
@@brettabrahamyeah comment was stupid
@@brettabrahamwtf that’s was dumb
Even if you used this as a filter for water... it's not safe to drink is it??
“..but can’t be used for highways”
The Netherlands: Hold my beer
a road with a 100km/hour speed limit isn't considered a highway imo.
@@kyrrilcrepeele1353w-what do you count as a highway? Here in Canada the bigger ones are 110 and smaller ones are often 100. That’s a perfectly normal speed no?
@@kyrrilcrepeele1353
It used to be 130 km/h but was lowered because of climate bs
@@kyrrilcrepeele1353 It used to be 130 and still is at night. It's also one of the busiest you can find and it lasts between 11 and 17 years.
In Germany we also have it and it's in the no limit section, for example A8 between Stuttgart and Pforzheim.
The Dutch use ZOAB - translated - Very Open Asfalt Concrete. - for motorways/highways. It also swallows water and prevents blinding water mist during and after rainfall. It has a downside though. Braking distances are slightly longer, and you have to use salt slurry (rather than regular salt) for de-icing in winter.
Oh, that was the reason, why I saw no water mist on Netherlands highways on a heavy rainy day. It was like a magic, when I passed Netherland from Belgium to Germany... I thought it was just not raining there 😂
@@azayeld
Well, that must be cool. I hate water mist on highways with a passion.
BP Bitumen also developed a Porous Asphalt for motorways that they installed on only a test section of the M4 in South Wales in the mid 90's, it was very successful but the binder costs a lot more so the UK Gov wouldn't pay for it. What price safety?
@@robertedwards3551 yeah. How much do we (society) pay for loss of life, permanent disabilities, emergency services, traffic delays, lost deliveries/deadlines, and all the formalities and obligations surrounding them. Plus, when technologies go big, prices go down.
@@raraavis7782Talk with the major for upgrades. There are only very, very few highways in the Netherlands that still have that mist. Just replace it when the asphalt needs to replaced anyway, it barely costs more that way, and it's MUCH safer (during rain, which is the most dangerous time to drive).
Don't use concrete and asphalt interchangeably. They are very very different materials
Sometimes it's more accurate to call the paving material "asphaltic concrete", because asphalt is just one of the ingredients. Calling the paving material "asphalt" is just as incorrect as calling the other pavement type "cement".
It's generally called hot mix asphalt now, but it used to be called asphalt cement concrete, as opposed to Portland cement concrete.
Yeah, one sucks, other one is great but frowned upon as it lasts way too long to be profitable for the greedy goblins. Thats why you ideally want quality reinforced concrete, without the planned obsolescence formulas.. Will outlive your grandchildren.. but thats not an option in an age of corruption and capitalism. Good old lightbulb conspiracy
It’s a Dutch invention and here it’s called ZOAB which translates to ‘very open asphalt concrete’
Kiss my asphalt
I live in Tokyo and we have this stuff on many streets. It works well for drainage but it's rough so really hard to sweep away autumn leaves and other debris. Also, if you fall down on it you will lose a layer of skin because it's like a grater.
Bet it’s hard on tires and shoe soles, too.
@@yaboileeroy3038i was thinking tyers roo
@@yaboileeroy3038you beat me to it I bet it's hard on tires👍
@@StephenButlerOneTYERS?! 🤣
Il ne faut pas balayer les feuilles, mais utiliser un aspirateur a feuilles. Et après, il ne faut pas tomber ou alors en portant des genouillères, mais ça serait un look bizarre.
Roman concrete: AND YET I STAND
If we had 4 years to do sidewalk renovation, maybe
We aint driving on top of the Coliseum
Trucks overfilled with Chinese 'excellence' aren't typically driving up and down those structures nor along the aqueducts are they?
Roman concrete has pockets of pure limestone in them. when the concrete cracks, water reaches the limestone pocket, causing the limestone to swell, extruding out into the crack and 'healing' it.
Roman concrete laughs at the weather, but I doubt those pockets make it strong enough to resist modern traffic. Remember, they used paving stones for the Roman Roads, nor concrete.
Look at roads in Italy, Roman concrete is bad against cars.
Sinkhole: I guess you wonder where I've been~
Fr that's what I was thinking. This is just gonna wash out all the soil underneath.
literally every flood disaster : I guess you wonder where I’ve been~
Exactly!
Damned if you do damned if you don't I guess
Not how it works
Yeah, we called 'Trylleasfalt' (magic asphalt) in Denmark about a decade ago.
It got clogged with sand so the magic went away 😂
Yep, that’s the problem.
I figured this would be the case like any filter
@@benargee
Yeah, but people in charge often have no practical knowledge.
The funny part is that the company that sells DO have the practical knowledge! 😄
@@vendomnu yeah but marketing saves the day. It definitely has it's proper applications but marketing will try to expand the demographic as much as possible.
You should probably wash it 😂
i really appreciate how informative this was on the pros and cons. i had known about porous pavement for years now, but i had never understood why it wasn't used for actual roads
im sure it could also be used to help street-side trees. instead of getting a small square concrete box with dry soil, the permeable pavement could ensure theyre getting water.
@TekagiWell nobody said they were an instant solve for every problem, you could always use it in addition to other drainage systems...
Don't listen to those nay sayers, open asphalt CAN be used for roads and highways. Maybe but this specific type they show here, but in The Netherlands all highways are made with open asphalt (Google ZOAB (zeer open asfalt beton)).
@TekagiYeah, i could imagine that enough water would get into the pavement that if it froze, it would get torn apart, worse than regular pavement.
How about for driveways? Specially, when we’re close neighbors
As an engineer who works with this stuff, it’s incorrect to say that the concrete absorbs water, or that it is “thirsty.” It has pore space throughout that allows water to simply travel through, so it can infiltrate into the existing soil below. Standard concrete/pavement acts as an impermeable slab that increases runoff and flooding potential if left unmitigated, so permeable pavements are a way to remedy this. 😊
Surprised to hear it does that well in cold weather. Good news! I hope we use this more often.
@@itsme2572 You could just fix this issue by designing the lower layer to feed the runoff into dedicated drainage systems that'll later treat the water. So basically how normal runoff is handled, minus the dangerously flooded road.
@@itsme2572 You realise most of that shit just goes to the side of the road and does the same? Except the roads are more dangerous with water staying on it. Why do people invent problems like they thought of something smart and say the stupidest shit?
@@justinmcgough3958 A lot of roads will already drain to the side of it, he raised a non-issue.
@@IldarioonHis pompus attitude made him look like a fool.
@@itsme2572 "Roads are actually safer with water, but it's the oil and other chemicals that foam/mix together to reduce traction. That, and hydroplaning eliminates traction."
Hydroplaning being the exact phenomenon of a vehicle losing adherence to the road because of water, your whole comment is senseless.
You just said:
"Water on roads is fine and losing adherence due to water eliminates traction"
In case anyone is in doubt, no, water on roads is not fine.
In the Netherlands we have something like this on the highway. Visibility isn't hindered during rainstorms. Love the stuff, so safe to drive on😊
Yes! That's why I was confused when she said it can't be used on highways. Clearly permeable pavement is different from ZAOB
Yes. Now they do if it's something new. Here we have it like 30 years.... 😂
Same here in Germany
Hoe heet dat spul ook alweer
@@cookiebuster652 zoab: zeer open asfalt beton
I want these in my city. There are two places that flood no mater what during summer rain.
Edit. 3 months later 31k likes. I have to be that person who says, “wow. I’m famous” 😂.
U sure you want holes in the concrete after some years and waiting another year or two for workers to fix it?
@@spirit006theassassin yes
same my entire state floods everywhere you go
@Spirit006 The Assassin *laughs in Michigander*
@Spirit006 The Assassin asphalt is used in my state and our roads are still shite and have to be repaired every few years
Typically engineers don't like any water under the structure. It introduce an element of unpredictability to the stability of the ground underneath the structure.
Which is why sloped concrete is used under the asphalt to redirect the water
Michigan needs this product. Our roads get horrible
Pretty much any road East of Colorado would lol
Detroit specifically
@@itsme2572what water table are you drinking from that it isn't filtered?
For these roads, the water enters the water table through the soil. Its the exact same as rain water. If someone spills gasoline, their can of pop, or what ever, it'll defuse through the soil.
This can’t be used in cold climates obviously.
@@itsme2572The chemicals will enter the soil whether you use this or regular asphalt, it’s just a matter of whether it flows across the surface when it rains or if it goes through the asphalt, immediately leaving the road surface and not leaving behind a puddle of oil or other chemicals immediately on the road surface.
we need SO MUCH MORE OF THIS
Wait till you see the price
@@willshoham and the life span
It'll drop in price with more demand. Give it 10 years
@@Jar0fMay0but more demand cause high price
@@techgaming-on4wg only if the supply is low. If it is similar to regular asphalt roads minus the sand, that shouldn't be much of an issue.
Most of the asphalt roads in Indonesia can only last around 3 years, that's because a lot of the cost of road construction materials is corrupted by the project owner. After that we have to wait another 3 years to see the road repaired again.
3 years? Roads barely last a year here in Russia. Harsh weather play a part in it too I guess.
Bioswales could help. Roads often buckle because of heat, or because the ground subsides beneath because of water tables dropping. By making sure aquifers and watertables water maintain levels, and making sure more roads have shade, etc, we can reduce costs of paving and repaving. Consider the following:
Instead of raised landscaped areas in parking lots, raised paved pork chops (used to help deflect traffic), raised bed curbsides that require lots of irrigation, etc --use bioswales.
These planted, depressed basins can drain the water while reducing irrigation costs, as well as stormwater drainage costs.
Bioswales depend on healthy biomes.
This means installing diverse, biome-compatible, site-compatible plantings and avoiding synthetic chemical pesticides, fertilizers and herbicides. Synthetic chemicals kills healthy soil biomes. Plant with well considered trees that have paving-compatible roots, with consideration to trunk size, mature canopy width and heighth. Add shrubs, perennials and vines for biodiversity.
If the curbing around them is raised they will need a water inlet. Make sure water stays where you want it instead of creeping out another way, too. The inlet-only method helps prevent mulch being swept away. When well designed the excess water bypasses the full one and flows on to the next bioswale.
These accumulate leaf litter so it somewhat self-mulches. Trash accumulates in them so removing refuse is centered around these rather than diffused thru the parking lots and streets.
This saves in ongoing irrigation and maintenance costs. The added landscaping adds resale value as well as city and business beauty. These add pavement durability by removing heat island effects, reducing pavement buckling, ground subsidence, and related maintenance costs. They cool ambient temperatures and add comfort to parking lots, curbsides, etc. They add walkability and bikeability. They reduce crime. They reduce air and water pollution.
If well made they can be cheaper than conventiomal systems while adding rather than reducing usability. These can reduce strain on waste treament plants, and reduce effluent flow into rivers (there are areas where sewage and stormwater share the same piping). Reduce water pumping and grid, too.
Bioswales add a lot of benefits and cost savings.
@@b_uppy Great information. I don't know why I haven't found the full application of the idea you explained here. Maybe in Europe many have implemented it, you can see there are many public facilities without stagnant water there.
@@Anarboard Yes, it's true, only 3 years as the longest calculation, the asphalt road here should last for 10 years. Many local governments here have campaign debt to the owners of road construction projects. I really envy the Netherlands as the former colonizers of my country who live in a land that is difficult to live in because the land is lower than sea level there but the public facilities are neat and well maintained. Indonesia is one of the most perfect plains to live in but its public facilities are really left behind.
@@AlwiSetiawan
My understanding it's the plows that sometimes grab too much.
Read what I wrote on bioswales above. It's unrelated to your comment, but it could still save on costs in your area for the reason outlined.
Concrete and asphalt are completely different things
99%of Dutch highways have this (its called zoab), and it actually has less maintenance than normal concrete. At least until a tanker with hot frying oil crashed, which solidified inside the asphalt
either Diesel or hydraulic oil will dissolve asphalt, there are many things which damage road surfaces. Near me the road through a tunnel was completely re-made because a crane went through leaking oil.
How do you keep dust and dirt from clogging the pores, or is Europe just much less dusty the the American midwest?
@The Doom of Red yeah, not really dusty. Also lot of rain to keep everything clean
@@thedoomofred5174 I think that if it's small enough to fit in there the water could just wash it away.
We have this on a lot of highways in the Netherlands but certainly not on 99%. It`s also a lot quieter then regular asphalt.
Me: Trips carelessly on a hot day*
*Instantly disintegrate into bones*
What do you mean?
Can this be used in very VERY hot places?
@@delilahg57It was a joke bro
@@delilahg57I think its a statement that we are 70% water
"Careful now Jimmy, or you'll find out why this road was named after grandpa."
Dude yes 💀
Need this on every basketball court outside
Just so you know water can go both ways through.
If you have enough rain, water will start bubbling out of the street!
no only that it will create sinkholes everywhere.
If you had that much rain the street would be flooded anyways.
@@basicbrittaniyes, but with this system, instead of just flooding, the street can fully collapse as the water going through the drainage bed backwards loosens the bedding
@@beardicus loosens the stone bedding underneath? Genuine question
It sounds like it's better away from valleys so that water going underground flows away underground. Thus you don't have surface water flowing in mass into dips. In the actual dips you'll need a different system since the water will just fill up there.
Thus it's very useful but not if you go "oh great USE IT EVERYWHERE REPLACE ALL THE ROADS".
This should be everywhere.anything that can prevent icy road, flood and water puddle is helpful.
Yeah, the ice will still happen. Also, if there's freezing rain, that would crack so quick. I bet they have to repair it constantly.
And, it lasts twice as long as the usual stuff.
@@rickwilliams967whats up captain i didnt watch the video
It won't do any of that. Tge roads will still ice up. This will over saturate the ground and cause it to develop soft spots and collapse. This is why water drains into a catch Basin and is sent through pipes and drainage ditches to be disposed of. Plus, dirt, debris, and oil from vehicles will eventually clog it, making it less effective.
How can it be everywhere, you can't drive at high speeds on it
I seen that type of concrete turn itself into gravel here in the northern Midwest with our freeze&thaw cycles
Yeah I can't imagine it lasts long with cold winters.
Dude I live rurally Midwest this stuff would be destroyed super fast if used for any back roads and the weather here changes it’s mind so fast this stuff would be blasted with negative temps one day and 60 degree temps the next week, we have had 80 degree weather changes where I live
Did you watch the short? It literally reduces potholes by not having water freeze/thaw in the surface.
@@hrford But it is not as strong as convential pavement
@@codysergeant1486 Does that matter? It literally lasts longer, surely that's the goal here?
It is an invention of a Dutch engineer who has invented several new types of asphalt/tarmac. In the Netherlands it is applied on every through going road. It eliminates spray and standing water. There is also a noise reduction variant.
There's a reason this is rarely used. It's very weak and doesn't hold up long before it falls apart and turns into gravel.
heard weeds can grow through it
@@craigb8228 yeah cause watah
It's the only road type used in the Netherlands.
It requires less maintenance, not more.
haha yup they always paint this shit to be the next best thing and leave these things out.... too typical....
If we had our flying cars they promised us we wouldn't have to worry about roads.
Here in the Netherlands we use it for highways. Its super nice when it rains so you dont have alot of spray from other cars so makes it much saver to ride in heavy rain.
Ooh
Won't weeds easily grow through it with gaps for their roots and for seeds to fall into?
@@spilledcoffee383I haven't seen any of it on the roads ever, since we pave a few layers of other stuff underneath, then the ZOAB (our name for it), comes on top
Very wise to choose this to use! I wish US would do this!
@@spilledcoffee383 No, there is a thick layer of gravel under the pavement and the dirt under that doesn't get any sun for the weeds to germinate. Kind of like a really thick layer of mulch.
Permeable pavement does in fact exist for motorways. There's plenty of it in my country.
Also permeable pavement really does not like repeated frost and thaw cycles. It shreds the pavement like nobody's business.
There goes using it in Canada 😐
What is the drainage on this? I could assume sinkholes could appear quite quickly without proper drainage
There was a place near me that put it in. Lasted one winter before it just blew apart.
It sucks
@@0lei3 sinkholes form when groundwater is extracted in excess eventually causing the soil to fill in that space leading to a sinkhole, this recharges the aquifer to mitigate that from happening
This also prevents watershed eutrophication by channeling the water down rather than across roads and sewers.
As a hazmat officer all im thinking is “if water goes straight through it, so do spills”
Right? Contaminants, micro plastics from the tires
Bro I work for a paint store and gotta haul paint and hazardous chemicals all day. Just thinking about the spills ive heard of or seen, this kind of pavement would cause so many problems lol.
Oh...😮
It's a really cool technology, but every city in Michigan that has tried it has outlawed it because the surface blows apart after 2-3 winters.
yeah basic frost expansion. I could have told you from my desk that was a dumb idea.
@@meusana3681 I searched for this comment
Then they used the cheap stuff. We’ve been using it in The Netherlands for decades and most of our highways are made of it. Because water goes through it doesn’t expand when freezing, so this stuff lasts a long time. That’s why we have some of the best highways in the world.
@@WouterZtube Referring to michigan's frost issues. And it really depends on a lot of factors, polarity of the ground soil, permafrost existing and such.
@@WouterZtube Oh yeah because The Netherlands has suuuuuch harsh winters right?
imagine accidentally spilling your drink outside and the ground just drinks it
edit: I wasn’t thinking when I made this comment I meant the concrete
If you spill your drink on a lawn, it just drinks it.
I mean if you spill it on normal pavement you can't get it back either
@@LeoTheVampirethese YT normies have no train of thought.
@@catherine_404nahhhh reallly I though it vaporized 🥴🥴
Man you believe it but there’s a thing called soil, it’s drinks water
Permeable pavement, or at least semi-permeable, are used on a few highways in my area. I've done work along one and Its incredible how little spray there is in rain and how quiet cars are when they pass by.
Sinkhole has entered the chat
Yesssss some who can see why this is a bad idea
Exactly what I was thinking
For real
Are you an engineer?
You have no idea what your talking about
"Unlike regular assho-"
Would that mean vehicle fluids would enter the ground water?
What about gasoline from a car crash? They have to use special chemicals on normal pavement to prevent any more damage, but with this it would seep into the ground and would remain flammable for a while
My regular asshol always leaks 😞
Lmao read that as she was saying it.
@@Hotmaildotcomzim cacklinggg 😂
That stuff works great in places they don't sand the roads in the winter. Sand fills the voids
Dont need to sand if theres no risk of freezing surface water
@@Rehn98 That's the idea, but your average road maintenance guy isn't known for acing the MENSA exam
@@TronTuborg It's not up to the road workers it's the engineers that are supposed to be the smart ones but like this present administration they do things without thinking them through
I’ve never heard of sanding roads in winter. Is that a coastal thing?
@@AROAH they do it in the midwest lol
Thisll go real crazy when the bottom fills up and then freezes the WHOLE road solid all winter long
Cant wait for that
And heaving up in deep frost then resembling broken tempered glass in the spring.
I’m just gonna expect my driveway to be a open pit when I wake up then 😂
We had this I think in my town. After a couple years the dirt filled in the crevices and it became normal asphalt again.
Yup, lack of maintenance is the bane of city works.
@@RoosterTail-rw1wb How would maintenance keep or get dirt out of permeable pavement?
@@currentfaves65 my guess would be spraying clean water on it a couple times a year would help keep it from plugging up
@@RoosterTail-rw1wb you mean maintenance itself is the bane of city works, as they refuse to do it
It needs to be cleaned regularly with a vacuum street sweeper.
This would break down in a week in Michigan
You're giving it too much credit
you missed the part where they explained how potholes are caused by the impermeability of the pavement
@@peytoia Water will probably come through the other side and you’ll see geysers randomly especially in-between flood seasons of winter and spring.
@@peytoia it's not as strong as regular pavement. She said it.
@@got_rats i think it was a joke abt potholes specifically and not the strength of the pavement (i also heard that part- emphasis on “its used mostly for lots and side roads”)
“Pavement” doesn’t crack just because water that didn’t drain froze, pavement here in Australia cracks and there is never a sub zero temperature in the winter. It may crack due to water retention or erosion of the subsurface, but not just because of freezing.
We need this all over Chicago
You can’t use this in cold places probably because the water would get inside, freeze, and crack it all up
You need to learn to vote better which in turn will create a more efficient local government which in turn will turn Chicago around for the good. But .... highly doubtful those in Chicago will ever learn. Sad ...
@@micheala7304There was literally a clip of snow on the pavement in the video.
@@micheala7304that’s the entire reason this concrete was made, so that that doesn’t happen
@micheala7304 did u even watch the video?
It actually requires more maintenance because you need to use a vector truck to vacuum out the sand and sediment that will otherwise clog the pavement at least once a year and in most cases more often.
Nothig a few roombas can solve
Yes but you'd have to send crews out anyways at least once a year to repair, maintain and check various sections. At least like this, there's no potholes so less repairs.
Good point. I worked in the Highway construction business for more than 20 years. We called this Porous Friction Course (PFC). Works great for a couple of years. But dirt quickly builds in the road surface making it much less effective. Smaller countries see better results most likely because they have much lower traffic volumes compared to US highways.
@@SimplyChrist if ur talking about the Netherlands as small, 17m people is plenty enough to damage roads. Especially in such a small country, where theres only so many places to drive to, concentrating more people at the time on the same road.
@@SimplyChrist also I think small countries get better results (in general not just on road quality) because its easier to control and do whats needed over small distances.
So cool. We need this here in NZ
We definitely need this here in N.Z...
new Zealand?
@@lmfaook.7971yes
@@lmfaook.7971ye
@@lmfaook.7971 Yup.
I did a research project about this back in my high school environmental science class! I had a whole demo using 2 pieces of styrofoam: one with little holes in it and one without, showing how rainwater interacts with permeable asphalt and regular asphalt. Things were simple back then. Good times.
Need this stuff bad in Louisiana. Ik the roads are never going to get fixed but it'd be nice
Same for us up here in Massachusetts. The roads are AWFUL. So much car damage thoughout my city.
Where I live, the roads are always a topic for conversation. No one is pleased with the current system, and we can't even afford the current system (they say)! They continue to remind us that it's 6 million dollars per mile to pave a road. They even wanted to jack up our excise tax by several hundred dollars per registered vehicle. 🤯People were losing their MINDS over that OF COURSE.
My city has also gotten grants from the state (or federal govt, cant remember) to improve things, and I feel they made foolish decisions with that money. They rerouted a whole main area that just ended up causing many car accidents, and made nothing better imo 🤦♀️
I now avoid that spot like the plague because there are so many accidents.
How does that help to bring business here when someone who LIVES here doesn't even want to go downtown?? 😅😅
They could have done so much more to make our city safer for its residents with that money!!
I just can't deal with their foolishness lately ✋️
It grinds my gears also bc if you go up a ways to New Hampshire, the roads are SOOOO much better. Shockingly better, really. It looks so much cleaner there as well. They just maintain things in a better way.
And they don't have sales tax there! I don't think they even have an income tax like we do here either! Their property tax can get brutal though, depending on location.
So this is all red flags for me that we have a huge mismanagement of funds going on in this city and state because we get taxed up the wazoo and we don't see much from it!! Unless you have a disability or are unemployed. That's when MA does shine much brighter than NH, and I'm appreciative of that helping hand when people need it.
So I understand my state has more community help and programs than NH offers, and so much money goes to that, but I also think MA is just not being smart and proactive about the road/infrastructure issues we have. I see places in MA that aren't like this, but they are rich communities likely with strict town zoning laws.
I dont think the topography of my city is sustainable long term either, so I have a long term plan to get the heck out of here! 😄 I think we are destined to keep pouring money into things that don't help the city improve, and I'm so tired of it.
I can sense a sinking ship when I'm on one, and thats certainly how it feels lately!!!
They are just bailing out water with buckets as the ship takes on more and more... It's buying us some time, but it's not going to change the final outcome imo.
Sending hope down to Louisiana for ya! You're certainly not alone! 😅
PS my dog is from Nola and she is amazing 💜
Also sorry for the impromptu novella. 😆😆
I love Louisiana
Its grbage, wont last
just gone soak up the blood
Same in Pennsylvania&Michigan
"Oh boy hopefully nothing happens to my drink when i place it down for i can tie my shoes"
*the asphalt with a straw*
“Just one sip”
Rain world:the game: five pebbles with a straw.
Then China makes a disputed water claim with the asphalt 💀
In the Netherlands its used as asfalt on almost all the highways, it prevents spray so the vision ahead is clear.
And not to forget it reduces the tire noise with around 4 to 6 decibels.
Dutch highways are made with something similar. Water never piles up on the highways, it does get wet but never forms puddles.
I think the northern part of the US would like to introduce you to a concept known as "frost heave."
This would solve that problem
@@TicklesTrout By letting water through the road surface, you're allowing it to filter into the roadbed, potentially destabilizing it. In the northern parts of North America, the ground freezes in winter. If moisture is in the road bed when the ground freezes, that water will expand, causing cracks in the road. Currently, when we build roads in the US, we pack the roadbed down very tight so that water has a hard time penetrating it, but the first line of defense against water is the concrete on top of the road bed.
@lendondain1 ya but they pave that shit on stone not gravel the water drains
@@TicklesTroutThis stuff wouldn’t last in the Midwest we have had 80 degree temperature shifts in the span of 3 to five days, and our weather changes it’s mind every other day it’s bad
Yup. That's why you'll never see it there.
I used it earlier this summer and it seems to be working well. It was more expensive than other products but if it holds up. Great.
I can't imagine it would hold up too good for very long if there is heavy trucks driving through often but I could be wrong
@@tomtom-or3wc its strong enough to hold these trucks
Its called Open Graded asphalt. Not used as much for surface coarses because they frequently get clogged with fines. It works well as a drainage layer for concrete pavement though
Not bad. Sounds more versatile than I expected lol
Agree 100%.
Part of my commute on the interstate is regular old pavement then changes to the porous-type. The difference in rainy and wet weather is insane.
It is possible to use on highways.... we have it here in the netherlands and it is called ZOAB. Zeer Open Asfalt Beton. Which directly translates to "Very Open Asphalt Concrete". Probably a different mix than is used in the video, but it works on highways.
There are some downsides like a shorter lifespan and more road noise. But still very nice to drive on when it is raining.
I feel like this could create some dangerous sinkholes though
Umm. How often do you hear about sinkholes in the Netherlands.
Not just relevant in the Netherlands
@@XenonArcherYou're the only one talking about the Netherlands.
This has been used in many places.
@@dashippothat's because we use that shit everywhere and we literally never have sinkholes. Sinkholes and this kind of asphalt are not related.
@@XenonArcher The Netherlands is actually full of sinkholes, the country is in many places collapsing, do some research before making points like that
Totally agree !
This should be used everywhere possible.
ECO FRIENDLY
Exactly. Makes oil changes easy too
Most definitely. This concept should be adopted in all areas of wild water. When water gets "locked up" it breaks out. It must ALWAYS be allowed to feed💠
We need this in FL
Nope. Enjoy your roads made of radioactive material. Lmao
They have them all over the place in Florida pay attention
Plus the sand is bad for tires
It is ! I think it’s the black pavement they’ve put everywhere these past 10-15 years.
Lwe definitely do no. Lmaooo, respectfully learn a bit more about how our land development works and you'll see how terrible of an idea it is
We have something like this for many years already in the Netherlands. It's quiet to drive on as well. Makes everything so much safer as an added bonus you don't have much spray from cars or trucks. So visibility remains good in rain.
As a Kentuckian i can not express how happy I am that you are visiting these places and giving these folks a voice. You are humble and open minded and this kind of journalism (or whatever you want to call it) is desperately needed on the internet today. Thakyou for your work- you can be assured that you're definitely aren't part of the social media problem you talked about :)
There are at least two versions of this surface, UTACS or Open Grade are both used on freeways and highways in non-freeze/thaw climates. UTACS (Ultra Thin Asphaltic Concrete Surface) is very strong. They are placed on top of a dense grade asphalt surface which is not permeable, water flows into the porous surface to the dense grade then down to the gutter or shoulder. Open grade is susceptible to clogging with fines, hindering their draining abilities.
In the Netherlands we have this Asphalt for our Highways... and its Fine
Out of curiosity, have you noticed if it's getting repaired more frequently than traditional asphalt roads? Do you know how they respond to the summer heat (like if are they repaired more in the summer)?
The vast majority of damage caused to roads are from cars. I’m also willing to bet that the Netherlands has significantly less cars on the road than North America, and it’s built better.
@@troubleturkey Of course the Netherlands has less cars on the roads than North America in total, but I doubt there are much less cars per mile of road considering it is a very densely populated country.
@Marjolein Based on what? North Amerika has a population of 19 per square km. The Netherlands has 503 per square km…
@@Mostly-Harmless4242 You are supporting my point here. Sorry if " it is a very densely populated country" reads somewhat ambiguous, I thought it would be clear I meant the Netherlands there, considering North America isn't a country.
"After 10 years they discovered a sinkhole underneath the road 300 ft deep"
As long as there are no karst conditions like pre existing sinkholes- or even underwater streams or rainwater hotspots, I see no harm in the idea of permeable pavement. Besides the small risk of a sinkhole seems lesser than the greater eventual risk of water build up on the surface level (which would in turn cause much more inconsistent drainage issues). The pavement is essentially evenly distributing the water.
Good point tho
Man this topic was my senior design class in college. This is huge!
That's awesome!
Old news it been around for years
I wrote my paper on it in college (I graduated in 1996) what school did you go to? I went to Oregon state university 🦫
'This is thristy concrete'
Concrete: 🥵😩😍
This type is used in Europe on many high ways, so it's not true that it can't be used. It's actually very quite and much safer, because it reduces splash and prevents aqua planening.
Zoab is a Dutch invention, very open aspalt concrete. Its permeable, and over in the Netherlands, it rains often, so it gets flushed about every other day! Its safe & quiet. We also invented solar bicycle lanes etc.
The Dutch are an awesome bunch of people!
@@Tom_Samad we definitely are
This type of asphalt is being used all over the Netherlands. This asphalt absorbs water because of its open structure. However, this asphals is hardly used in countries with harsh winter conditions such as Austria and Zwitserland. The water would freeze between the cracks and rip open the asphalt.
In the Netherlands the broken roads are repaired right away - this is not the case in many onther countries.
zeg dat nou niet tegen en amerikaan, die snappen niks, en grote scam hier de wegen
Putting solarpanels in the ground whilst rooftops are still not fully utilized is pretty stupid to be honest.
- It's not angled ideally (unless on the equator)
- It's getting dirt and rubber all over it
- the slightest bit of sand under the tire will scratch it
- plant roots will make their way into the panel
- they have to survive sustained water contact and not just splash water
- They will be more exposed to frost than roof-mounted panels
- probably many more reasons
In the Netherlands we use ZOAB, translated: Very Open Asphalt Concrete. It's the best since we see a lot of rain and the roads stay drivable where it's been laid. It's best on highways so maybe it's different from your permeable pavement
It is also used for our main highways. Awesome stuff
Prolly doesn't work in places that get loads of potholes though
In the Netherlands it is widely used for many years in highways! We call it zoab (Dutch abbreviation for wide open concrete asphalt).
Problem is if it’s wet and it gets freezing temperature the whole street is going to be completely fucked.
You spelled crumbled into dust wrong...
45 people did not pay attention to the video. If you have a well prepared 8 to 24 inch sub base or drainage will reduce the possibility of freeze-thaw damage. A regular paved road still has a higher possibility of freeze-thaw damage compared to previous concrete.
@@mercifulterros5030 And they said solar roads were also the way of the future… grow up.
@@finnmacdiarmid3250 They are the future. Asphalt and concrete are inferior technology. Being able to generate energy from 4.17 million statue miles would be amazing. Yes, the technology still needs to mature but whether you want to or not roads of the future will not be asphalt or concrete.
@@mercifulterros5030 the Romans had concrete stronger than we have today and are only just figuring it out. New technology is not always best technology.
We have these on the Autobahn. It's literally called whisper-pavement (Flüsterasphalt), as the rolling sound of the tires get muffled.
You do NOT want this if you have cold temperatures in the winter including snowfall and possible freezing rains.
It is a nightmare as normal salt does not work, but is washed down quickly leaving the street with zero defense. To get the same anti-freeze result as a regular street, you need a saline liquid that uses roughly 50% more salt in the end. (Which is not used in most cases, of course).
I have a couple of km of this on the way to work. The situation on the 25km before is usually fine. The second you touch the different surface, it is possible mayham. I've seen fully loaded trucks starting to wobble because the were not accelerating where it changes (it's a hill down section).
I live in Germany but I have lived many years in Italy. In most all the italian highways there is permeable pavement. I have to say, it is much better to drive with permeble pavement in rain contitions
They have this on some Florida roadways. First time i saw it was during a huge downpour...it was crazy how the water drops would just disappear, no runoff, just poof dry road.
You convinced me, I'll buy it
Just learned a new thing today. Never too old❤️
I agreed to that! You learn something new every day if only you wish to seek knowledge.
Right 35 years later i now know why NYC streets are so f'd up
also counts toward green points - basically it counts as a green zone, like grass.
Imagine walking in a parkinglot spilling your drink and it just disappears
Like the racoon dropping his cottoncandy in a puddle and wondering where it went.
Lmao
It’s thirsty
Yeah, no more licking up your drink from the puddle it makes on the parking lot.
It also prevents aquaplaining when it rains preventing a lot of accidents. It also increases the capacity of the road, due to less splashing and drifting water during rain.Another advantage is that it hardly deforms under the pressure of traffic. That is why ruts on road sections with this asphalt almost do not occur. But a huge advantage is the decrease in roadnoise.(round 6dB!) So it is way more safer and quieter than concrete pavement. Mainly on highways and urban area's . Disadvantage might be its limited livespan ( the reduced silencing propertys over time) allthough it can be reused for 96%, but the advantages outweigh easily the disadvantages.
"Unlike regular asshole" 💀💀 why did i hear it like that
Lol
Me 2
Miami needs more of this product
system: sinkhole left the chat
As long as there are no karst conditions like pre existing sinkholes- or even underwater streams or rainwater hotspots, I see no harm in the idea of permeable pavement. Besides the small risk of a sinkhole seems lesser than the greater eventual risk of water build up on the surface level (which would in turn cause much more inconsistent drainage issues). The pavement is essentially evenly distributing the water.
Bangalore needs this so badly!
Wouldn't these be completely horrible? If the road is built above limestone, the water would eat away at the limestone and form a massive sinkhole in the ground, which could collapse
Well, then just don't build it above limestone????
@@charlottebarham7722 it's not as simple as that. The reason the waters eats away the limestone is because it's slightly acidic from the carbon dioxide in the air, and when rain comes in contact with it it becomes carbonic acid. Very weak acid, but strong enough to cause serious erosion in many rocks and dirt, not just limestone. In less developed countries it may be difficult for them to identify these, or they might not care. I have no clue if that is an actual problem though, just saying what I think might happen under the road.
@@pace_18 That's true, you're completely right, IDK what I was smoking lol.
There's also a point a few comments down about groundwater pollution.
In retrospect, this doesn't sound like a very great idea anymore. I hope the local/state governments/councils are taking these into consideration before pouring otherwise we're going to have huge problems later down the road 😖
@@charlottebarham7722 yep
@@charlottebarham7722 not to mention the basic fact that roadsalt, construction debris, or even just accidents will clog up the porous material making it not work and still being weaker
Ive always seen this when travelling and never knew what it was. I love it! Its softer than normal pavement too and feels nice to walk on
Florida needs this
Until the sand clogs up the pores and it doesn't drain anymore... But it'll be the tax payers money wasted so go for it
Sadly the people in Florida government don’t even believe in climate change or bettering the environment so I doubt they’ll ever even consider the suggestion unless the politics drastically change
We in The Netherlands use this pavement for all roads including highways. What we use i think is not as effective as what u show here as we do have ice on the roads in winter, but for even heavy rain it works perfectly
We got a very similar asphalt in the netherlands that is, infact used for highways. It's very good because there is almost no spray from tyres when it rains
That's cool. I like that you don't try to convince us it's amazing at everything and point out it's flaws. I'd consider getting my driveway done in this maybe instead of concrete.