Still blows my mind that you even need a Class B w/ passenger endorsement to drive a 10+ passenger van in California (commercially). But you can go out and buy a 40 foot Motorhome and tow a boat behind it with no prior experience needed...
At one time this was a free country now your only free to comply with whatever some badge wearing gun toting individual makes claim to . They all claim the other cop in the other state doesn't know what he's talking about.
It is about road taxes and protecting the general motorist from ill kept equipment. I've seen some junk taken out of service at weigh stations over the year. In my area we had a problem with half broken down dump trucks for years. It took someone getting T boned and killed at a light by a busted up piece of junk dump truck who had bad brakes to things cleaned up around here.
Great job. I noticed some scales in California have signs that say “No Pick Ups” so you can modify a bed to fit the 5500. The furniture you got from your sister can never ever be sold or it becomes a commercial load. No getting rid of it at a yard sale. Ha! Keep the great videos coming.
I came to this so late lol. If the GVWR of the truck is over 11500 no matter what use its for you are no longer a pickup and need special stickers and have to stop at weigh stations.
Call D.O.T. and tell them you have a F450 dually and it's only ever used for personal use but you want a DOT # anyway. They will refuse to issue you one. I know. I tried.
In California last I understood all pickups are registered as commercial vehicles and are charged dmv fees based on "toneage" weight ...1/2 ton being cheapest and going up from there. If you put a tonue cover or shell on it you can register as passenger vehicle, but can get in trouble hauling items in it. California loves their fees
Thanks for making great videos! I’ve been stopped at the AG station on the 15 towing my RV trailer back from Vegas. I keep a not for hire on the truck now to keep the DOT mosquitos away.
Love all your setups, Sam... learned a lot from your videos and I think you're an asset to people who use UA-cam for tutorials, product reviews, and just general entertainment..
Love your style, and in CA too lol. I've struggled with getting a CDL but decided not to. My CVWR is 44,000 lbs (F550 with 20+5 dual tandem), I haul heavy loads, from bulldozers, loaders, even yesterday I hauled a 20' container BUT everything I haul is MINE, I own it and it is NEVER used in a commercial enterprise to make money. Every CDL manual for the states I've had to drive in or through has the exemption for the personal and or recreational vehicles, this is what makes me comfortable with my decision. Thanks for the video Sam!
@@renzorenzo9736 I've been pulled over by a few state troopers and they all want to know why I blew through their weigh station. I simply tell them I am non-commercial and show proof of ownership of truck, trailer, and goods on the trailer and they all give me a stink eye smirk and let me go on about my business.
Full support of you and the channel. You dot your I's and cross your T's always very calculated and within your capability. Hell even if you were an outlaw trucker I'd still be proud to roll with you
When it comes to crossing or passing scales, the dot can treat you however they want. Legal or not. They can always find something to mess with you over. Im glad that you are doing well.
hopeandbranden 🤦🏻♂️ its just funny guy no need to get pussy hurt, i don’t care what you drive. I have a 3500 dually thats a flatbed that I use to daily drive too... I bought a gas saver because a dually isn’t practical for doing 150+ miles a day.
@@blacksheep9734 ask what your point was. You act like your better then anyone else. News flash nobody cares. Some folks will only drive fullsize diesel trucks as a daily and some drive mini vans.
I have a Place in Michigan and Farm in Kentucky Farm plated F250 and same trailer. No stickers nothing F Kalifornia I ride through Ohio weekly never bothered.
Man I love the content, been watching your channel for years. Just don’t pay the super truckers no mind. It doesn’t matter if you are over loaded all the damn time or not. It’s non of anyone’s business. I feel sure they don’t abide by the laws all the time. You have to get the job done either way. Regardless you have covered everything just fine man. Keep it up!
Whoa there buddy calm down..there is a difference between over loaded by 10lbs vs 10,000. just like with anything in life you have to use common sense.
Different states have different requirements. Difference between your enclosed trailer and your open trailer as far as the bug station, they can see what you're hauling on the trailer. DOT regulations are for commerce. You can drive a semi as personal use. You need "Not for hire" signs visible and you're not under DOT regulations.
The way I see it, if your GCWR is above 21,000 pounds or if the vehicle has air brakes, you should need a CDL. The only time you'd need a DOT/MC number is if you are engaged in inter/intrastate commerce, otherwise a "not-for-hire" sign should be posted.
In the Drone world, if you make a UA-cam video with the drone and get money from it, that flight is commercial. So if the FAA was running the DOT, you might technically get a lengthy warning letter lol. But my Cummins has passenger plates too so I feel ya! Fun video.
All good information. Your not the only one with an out of the box disappointment. A few months back, I bought a PJ dump trailer, got a deal🙄. Brakes out of adjustment, two of four wheels loose and missing 4 lug nuts, hydraulic reservoir over filled and blew all over the place, back doors were out of alignment and needed to be worked. Happy now though😃. Enjoy your new set up and thanks for sharing👍👍👍🇺🇸
I was just pulled over twice in the last 6 months. I was hauling my little tractor not for hire as well. They both told me one cop a dot and one cop chp. They both told me the same thing 26k with a single vehicle if u add a trailer anything over 10k for personal not for hire needs a none commercial cdl no dot numbers needed. If making money with it need cdl mc and dot . I still have the tickets if interested in what they wrote me up for.
Your personal vehicle doesn’t need to be registered period. If you decide to put it in service then you register it. I have an F250 it’s been a grocery getter. Eventually it’ll go into service and I’ll get my DOT and MC numbers at that time. Great video man
As far as it goes around here, you're perfectly legal in your personal vehicle. That's how people get away with hauling a 17,000 lb camper without having any special license.
Or boats. The difference here is the trailer is pulling is normally used for commercial work. He said he does have a class A license all the way to and including airbrakes. Like you said he should have no problems.
Whihc is absurd. Government logic. Someone can be in a 16 foot box truck or a cargo van with dual rear wheels that has a GVWR of 12k lbs....If those are being used for interstate commerce, or intrastate beyond a 150 air mile radius, these owner/operators must have a USDOT /MC number or lease to a company and operate under their Authority. Meanwhile, the states and federal government allows a septuagenarian with so-so eyesight and the reflexes of a three toed sloth be able to operate a 45 foot long 30k lb Motorcoach RV towing a 5,000lb full sized SUV and the guy in the box truck or cargo van is a menace to society.
I was up in New Hampshire in 2016 with my Lance truck camper on the back of my 2012 3500 Dually crew cab 4x4 but have the truck registered commercial through my business and have a class A CDL and medical card.... pulled into a rest stop and right into a D.O.T and State police inspection....so I'm like okay.... waiting my turn and two troopers come up to me and say.... what are you doing in this line ?... I'm like sign says DOT truck inspection.... They said you are exempt because you're carrying a camper and recreational vehicles are exempt...I said but It's a commercially registered company truck which I also use for camping... and I have a class A license and medical card....he says..as long as you have a camper whether it's truck mounted or towing it..you don't need to stop for any scales or inspections.... I'm like okay.. but is that only in New Hampshire ? He says nope that's a federal law so you're good anywhere you go.... He also says. We already ran your plates and license and your all good.... and have a great trip !
@@hey_youtubeim_back2159 ... that's the rule for most cases, but as soon as you have camper or RV plates you are basically exempt from everything, including air brake endorsements. They treat a 40k lb Prevost RV the same as an E-350 camper conversion.
We operate in the South, headquartered out of Mississippi, we run 550s and 36' goosenecks, and we don't worry about any numbers in our commercial pickups, we only run DOT numbers on our tractor trailers and have no issues
Great info. Appreciate it. I’m not even a trucker. Iam 66 yrs. old And I plan on getting my class B license to help out my son with his wild fire fighting water 6 wheel drive truck in Northern California. Have safe travels.
Did you know that emergency vehicles do not require a CDL license to drive them? Fire departments or hot shot crews driving water trucks. As long as you are on the job of firefighting, you dont need a CDL. I believe when I found that, FEMA website had that information. But DO NOT TAKE NY WORD FOR IT, do your own research on Government websites Not personal opinions from want a be drivers.
There are videos floating around that to pull a personal fifth wheel camper with a 3500 dully you need a certain class CDL. ( I can not remember what class was talked about in the video)Or for that matter any trailer. I haul my New Holland TC33d compact tractor in my 12,000 lb dump trailer with my 03 Dodge 2500 a lot of the summer. I have never been stopped by the DOT. Your video is great information! Thank you
It's private not personal. The people are not persons. Persons are employed. People have no duties. Using the legal name and date of birth incorporated you into the corporation as a citizen. Never call yourself citizen or resident unless you fully comprehend and you want to. This is not a joke.
I have been a tractor trailer driver since 1996. I have a class A cdl. As long as you're using your pickup and trailer totally for personal use you are not a commercial vehicle and you are not required to have all the markings on your pickup. With that said you can also use your work truck that does have all the MC numbers and use it as a personal vehicle and be legal to use it as a personal vehicle as well. As long as you're not engaging in any for hire commerce
In Ca all of our personal pick ups are registered commercial. the give away is the one letter on the plate in lieu of 3 for a personal non commercial truck or car(truck with a shell) can be registered non commercial
I took a Chevy 3500 dually with a 30’ gooseneck, put a 3500 duramax on the gooseneck hauled it from Minnesota to South Carolina for personal use. Never hit a scale never was stopped. Talked to a state trooper when I was filling up the truck. It’s a non issue.
It is an issue, you just havent been caught yet. I guess it's not illegal until you get caught. Commercial DOT cops are different than regular cops. Regular cops are clueless in commercial FMCSA rules, because they hand out parking tickets and know nothing else.
Well I'm not in or from California. But to answer your question. I believe for ( personal ) use no numbers needed but you said it's a back up to the work rig so in the event your using it as a back up doing what ever the work truck normally does then you would need the lettering at those moment's to be compliant. On a further note where I live if I'm off duty of my business but doing something for the business I need to log it as business related becouse it's a tax right off on milage or fuel. Also if tou work in construction at a site but are hauling your acquirement to the site that's a work activity so you are on the clock the moment you start driving. At least that's how it is in my state of Massachusetts
Im in so cal and I work at a feed store and I can’t tell you how many people have dually pick up trucks. They all have them for personal use. Never seen dot #. And some are up there in Weight. But seem to do just fine. I think you are ok with the grocery getter.
I think people should commend you on your videos and maybe take some lessons on you doing your due diligence and investigating all the proper laws and permits you should be commended not shunned good job great video and I drove truck for 35 years
I run Not for hire and personal use only stickers on all my trailers in Washington. But my truck is licensed for 32000 witch makes it so I need my CDL. In Washington it states any trailer gvw over 10000 lbs is required to have a CDL. But they are just now starting to in force the laws. Love your videos. Im a retired trucker 2 million miles on the road . Now I just play with my tractor's
The part where you're correct is its personal not for money. You hold a class A cdl so you have the license for the weight if the dot does stop you. However that is not necessarily a requirement. Most states have an alternative either endorsement ie "recreational" or a non commercial class A.. I think alot of it comes down to the mood of the officer that stops you, as to how hard he wants to try to prove or make you prove whether or not you're making money with it. That includes if a 3rd party is paying for your fuel. What gets me is that according to TX troopers that I have spoken with its perfectly legal to drive a 350/3500 which have ratings over 10,001lbs on a class C.. but they stop you for looking commercial (ie large trailer) or even hauling an rv. Because your rating is high enough to require..... Several years ago there was an incident: So empty trailer 40' goose and a 3500 a guy was stopped and shut down. Turns out that he was driving his sons truck back to the house after something happened causing the son to stay with the other vehicle (wife got sick or something) Son did do hotshot but I do not recall much from it I don't recall there being dot numbers ect. But the trooper said the design (gvwr) of the combination and length required a CDL A. The son took to Facebook looking for someone to finish the drive and they would be given a ride back where ever they needed along with some cash. (It was more specific about pay) so between this incident and my talks with TX dot it really depends on the officer to decide if he wants to look at the vehicle as possible commercial violation. Another tidbit I heard was that those who put the "not for hire" stickers drew more attention as alot of hotshot companies were doing that at least at that time..
I'm a class a heavy hauler semi/hotshot/dump truck driver, laid off right now, but ohio is supposedly changing it to where most people will have to have a class a non cdl . We have large cattle trailers/dump trailer/flatbed trailer (goose neck) for the inlaws farm. So told my inlaws just to call me of they are going to want anything heavy towed. I mentioned this stuff about what ohio dot is doing to my father in law and nephew, now whether they go down that route or not is on them. But i know also in ohio if only for agriculture they will grant you so many miles and can make your regular license into a class b .
I appreciated the narration of this. There’s a huge amount of misinformation out there regarding personal trucks and licensing. I wish TN didn’t require a CDL and had a restricted class A for personal use. But I’ll end up getting a CDL just because of the weights and trailers involved. I’m non commercial as well, but I’ll have to have the CDL the way I interpret the laws, rules, and regulations.
you DO NOT need any commercial markings if a vehicle is NOT used for business. you have your vehicles correctly marked as NOT for hire as required which exempts the requirement for all the markings. the same applies to class A vehicles not used for commerce. I do the same thing up and down the east coast and have not been challenged anywhere. any DOT official may stop any vehicle on the roads and do an inspection.
I bought a dump truck, single axle, gvwr 16k lbs. The state made me get commercial plates because im over 10,000lbs. My insurance forced me to use a business so i used my DBA as an electrician. 🤷♂️ Other than that it's strictly for personal use, always has been. If i get stopped i have no idea what's going to happen. I just transport building materials i get for free to my land to build my house. The truck was $1400. 😬
I haven't studied this for awhile, but I believe there are two entities that we are capable of engaging others as: 1. We conduct commerce as a public citizen, with other public entities, and 2. We can contract as private entities with any other private entity, and that our right to contract without restriction is protected by constitution. So, as far as I know, that means that you can even "earn" in some situations in whatever vehicle you choose. Or as you say, "personal use", because, for example, earning a wage to eat and survive is a right protected by the 9th amendment, etc.
I drive my own stuff(private) was told by my local Hyway Patrol "Do Not Put NOT FOR HIRE sticker on trucks". He says they are a Target for Police. Burden of Proof is on them to prove you are hauling commercially. Be Blessed
Just because its a gooseneck trailer does NOT mean that it is used for COMMERCE. Lots of people own gooseneck trailers and use them personally to haul atv's/utv's like he said. I've used mine to haul tractor/brush hog to land I owned at the time while when we were building our home. I haul firewood to family members. I use it for lots of things. The part people don't/can't seem to understand is that if your not using it in a way that generates revenue/income then it's considered PERSONAL USE. PERIOD, END OF STORY!
@@markrugman1435 Wrong! Being a gooseneck has nothing to do with the way a trailer is being used. If its not being used in a manner that supports/generates revenue/income then its considered personal use. Hauling furniture, automobiles, motorcycles/atv's, gravel, brush, dirt, or anything else possible. If it's being used for COMMERCE (either intrastate or interstate) only then is it required to have DOT #'s, Gross weight rating, etc. etc.
I roll in Atlantic Canada. Run an F800 with 2 trailers I own, all 3 registered in my name. Have a CDL, and paid the registration fees for the DMV's weight-rated haulers. Even paid a new additional fee to become an NSC operator. I haul my own items only. Not commercially plated either, as such is not required... but paying for weight is O.K. The mandatory-minimum of $2M insurance is hefty / annually. Every time I'm close to a weigh scale, I pull into the right lane. If my trailer is empty, the lights after the camera's say "Truck pass scale". If anything is loaded on my trailer... "Truck report to scale". No issues yet, but given the times of today, safely guess it won't be long until the needless hassle begins. In Canada, "NOT FOR HIRE" decals are like an automatic target. I also do not have decals that state :Fire extinguisher inside", nor "First Aid Kit on board". Respects to you. Love your videos. Tom.
I use a class 8 truck to pull my 5th wheel and occasionally my backhoe and skid steer on a flat bed. The equipment is only used on my mountain property never commercial. No CDL or DOT#. No problem
In any state you do not need a dot or mc or any kind of cdl as long as its your personal use i drive an 08 3500 with 26,000 or less pounds and they cant do anything about it bc its personal use they have never messed with me when i get pulled over they just check the breaks and lights to make sure im running safe. Its all legal as long as your not making any money
So long as NOT for compensation requires NO DOT Number, in MO once cross 32,000 license must have name, vIn and home town on sides, DOT still not required.
I used to drive an f350 wrecker with no name, numbers and no “not for hire” sticker as my personal vehicle. DOT pulled me over once and once I told him it was my daily driver and I didn’t use it for making money, he said have a nice day.
I have a ram 5500 rollback registered interest in New York with a GVW of 19,500 that I’ll be using to relocate to Florida towing my wife’s car and I don’t believe FMCSA laws apply. According to FMCSA law 390.3, section f- 3 : (3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation and not in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise ARE EXEMPT !
You are not required to register and get DOT numbers for personal vehicles that are not for hire. I have a retired Peterbilt that I have converted to an RV, and I have no markings at all on it anymore, and I do not stop at scales.
The key to commercial or private is making money or getting paid. If you are not for hire and you were in a class 8 truck with a 53 foot trailer loaded with lumber for you to build a personal house you are not commercial
From what I have looked into if any vehicle and trailer is cable if caring over 26k pounds then you have to have at least the lowest class of cdl. When you have a cdl and the vehicle and trailer are not intended to be in use at your business then you don’t have to have dot and all the other stuff. Just a cdl of any class
I asked my dad from Oregon about my personal California 5th wheel trailer project and re-registering because I am moving out of state and flat bedding it. He said well don’t worry about it, once I hit the border I won’t need registration where I am going 😂
Just because you have a large trailer with a 3500 or other pickup truck doesn't mean you need to have a CDL and/or DOT #. You only need to have that stuff if you are running for-profit freight. Hauling for personal use doesn't require anything more than a regular license and vehicle plates, registration and personal insurance. The state would have to prove you were using said vehicle and trailer as for-hire purposes to require getting them licensed as commercial vehicles.
OK so a couple things. The 1st one would be your truck having a not for higher sticker on it. You are technically not for hire if you are transporting your own equipment. Many super truckers miss understand what not for hire means. If you are for hire it means you are transporting someone else's equipment or product. Not for higher means you transport your own product and/or goods regardless to whether you are making money or not. Examples would be and equipment rental business such as I owned in the past. Another example would be rock quarries or building material house. As for the DOT number, California did start requiring that a few years ago. There's really nothing to it. Basically you fill out the paperwork and you have a dot number. Now we are not talking about a motor Carrier authority. That would be something different. But again you only need a DOT number because you are technically not for hire. Btw, Congrats on the new trailer purchase. 👍
Tex Garcia hey Tex, man we have had much different experiences! I own a rental company and was stopped in 2017 towing absolutely nothing but a cat 277, no attachments at all just the machine and the guy was set up at an abandoned gas station about a 1/4 mile from the off ramp where I got on this particular road and in this distance I was going idk maybe 40-45mph and this “officer steps out from behind a sign right in front of me and I am telling you it was a matter of feet with me standing on the brakes to keep from hitting him, if I would have been blinking when this guy stepped out I would be in prison right now for running over this guy it scared me to death lol. Says to me “can you get this thing in this parking lot here”? Yes sir I say and pull into the rather small parking lot where I see his cruiser and spot the grey van tucked on the other side, now I can tell you from head on this guy had no idea if I was sporting all the legal stuff or not or for that matter what I was pulling but he was clearly going to check it out either way. After I got parked guy walks right up as I’m rolling the window down drops the tool on my window as it’s in motion to check for tint which I did have at the time and was under the legal limit in my state btw,..then asked for my paper work while stating “I would appreciate it if you could put a move on it’s quitting time” , hand this guy the normal stuff immediately, License, registration and proof of insurance...while he was checking that out I was getting my binder with all the other stuff that is neatly organized in there when 5 seconds later I hear “ahh ha”! To shorten this up I was there for about an hour and a half and had the entire deck of this 35’ trailer “that I owned” covered with paperwork, when it was all said and done I left there or “attempted” to leave there with $3800 in fines including tint, lack of IFTA, over weight and something else I can’t remember. In this particular combo of my personal truck which was registered for 13580 (roughly) and gooseneck which was registered commercially at 20000 I weighed 27 something all up on portable scales and was given a citation for being 17 something over (whatever the difference over the personal truck was registered for). I was cordial as possible with these guys until the end, keep in mind I cordially explained after being asked that I owned all of this stuff...they don’t care as one guy sat in the back of the van and referenced books as I asked questions at the end. I was red tagged and had to break the combo up and retrieve trailer and skid steer later with “appropriately registered truck” in order to leave there...I was 20 minutes from my destination and 7 hours from home too when I was told “this can’t stay here this is private property and we don’t know who’s it is” , I say so help me understand this you are telling me I can’t leave here he says “correct” and you are also telling me I can’t stay here he says “correct”... I then ask ok what do you recommend that I do? "sir I cannot give you legal advice”...guy walks to his cruiser as the other guy is buttoning up the van and I suppose out of pure shame the guy walks back and says I can tell you this...in the entire state 2 dot officers are currently on patrol duty and we are going that way when we pull out have a nice evening. This was with all personally owned, late model stuff that was nice and shiny with enough paperwork to start a library. My luck I guess, I have other stories that are far crazier, some are actually funny looking back on them. Steven King couldn’t make this stuff up. I can say that until I started venturing out past about an hour radius of my hometown I never had a single issue ever. I don’t know others experiences and can’t speak to them but it seems to me from what I have gathered over the years that it boils down to luck of the draw as to what is legal and what is not legal and that’s why I have said in previous comments on the topic that it makes no difference who you ask or what anyone says really it just seems to matter who stops you and how the quota looks that day I guess. I should probably say that I do a lot of driving (I don’t want to but have to) shuttling around various compact equipment and specialty items to my different sites all over and therefore probably have a greater chance of being caught for something than most I don’t know. It also seems that rigs like Sams make easy targets for these guys as I have sat after being flagged into inspections while I watch them wave old junk freightliners thru with coat hangers and duct tape holding parts on and then spend an hour with a fine tooth comb going over my stuff. I know there is a lot of good law enforcement officers out there and I don’t envy the job at all but it sure seems that “To protect and serve” has turned into “collect and suffer” at least on this front. Have a good one Tex.
Used my C60 and a friends 40 foot shipping container trailer to pick up and bring home 10 40 foot High cubes. I bought them to use for building my home.
2.5 million miles as a trucker here. You may get pulled but should always be able to drive away no tickets. Just keep it between the ditches shiny side up rubber side down. Now the DMV is saying if you have brakes on a trailer you must have no cdl class a. Your golden drive on. Transportation or Apportioned is when you are hauling paid cargo. Not shit you are buying and selling or doing construction with. To many know nothing know I alls out there. Not For hire is in the CDL manual. Also RV use.
The only way they could complain is technically you are delivering a trailer for business use. If you don't tell I won't either. Actually the personal items on the trailer help make the case for personal use. Those are awesome trailers and one is on my want list! Truck on!
All scales in cali say no pickups and defines that as a standard box style bed not contractors beds doesnt matter if your hauling commercial or not you dont have to go into scales. In any vehicle hauling non commercial personal use if required to go into the scales you may use the empty lane as the load is not commercial, so if sam was to drive the 5500 he would be required to enter the scale but as long as the load was personal he could take the empty lane. I have been doing this for year past so cal scales weekly
1 ton chevy and borrow my buddies 30 foot goose neck all the time hauling farm equipment, hay ect..... Live in Maryland but frequently move through Pa, WV, VA, and As far as TN. Never had any issue knock on wood and have never stopped at a scale house.
We run entire fleets of trucks and it all depends on the State Trooper I have found. Most police don't even pay attention to these numbers or details. But there are some Troopers like in Wyoming that will raise hell if there is no US DOT # and No Company Name. Wyoming seems to want all trucks over 10,000 that are owned by commercial business owners pro-rate plated. But here in Montana, a county plate is fine, but when you hit the border, you can have problems. By the way, once you have a DOT #, you can put the same number on all the trucks you own. Then they will see you have the number and not have a reason to stop you. It's only a one time fee to get the number. And then they just keep a record online of your fleet history which can be good for job references as long as your don't have any crashes.
Kinda funny, back here in WI and MN you are required to have a DOT# if your hauling a race trailer. At first it was just the trucks so the guys switched to hauling with RVs to keep an exemption. Worked for a little while, now they say racing has the potential to win income making it for commerce so even the RVs now need DOT# for any racing equipment.
If you keep the stock style bed you won't get hassled as much. If you got an aftermarket bed such as the CM truck bed CA dot automatically assumes your a commercial truck, at least the one's in the tulare ca to fresno ca area.
In Colorado, if you are driving any company owned truck and trailer with a GCWR of over 26000 lbs you must display a DOT Number, and company name. This is regardless of weather you own the company or not. If the vehicle is registered to the company, it needs the stickers. If registered to just you, and it's your cargo, no stickers needed. We do not need the weight stickers in Colorado. f using a pickup, and trailer, you only need the DOT Number on one of the two. My company put the DOT numbers on the trailer, as we only needed it when pulling the trailer. If the vehicle is registered to the company, you will need the appropriate CDL for the weight ratings. If it's private property, and not company registered, no special licensing needed, up to certain weight restrictions, (Not sure what those restrictions are) where you will need a Private Carrier Permit, and a CDL. This is all based on Colorado. Other States have their own regulations. And of course Federal Law covers Commercial vehicles, as well. In the end, do your research, based on your State (or Country, this is an international venue), and follow the local laws. Stay safe, and keep the underside down.
I’ve been a trucker for 40 years. My father also owned a trucking company he started in 1966 in California. Most of the truck drivers out there have no business making comments because they’re full of shit and don’t know anything. Pay no attention to them because you practically have to hire a D.O.T. attorney to decipher all of California’s ridiculous rules. Most truckers out there under 50 years old don’t know what they’re talking about . A lot of CHP Officers don’t even know what they’re talking about. I once got pulled over near Oxnard in my brand new Ford dually back in 2000 because I had tinted windows. I had just got back from Oklahoma and tagged it there. I own property there but I lived in Lake Elsinore, CA at the time. This stupid officer became beligerent and told me my dually pickup was illegally licensed because I didn’t have a California tag. I had a California Class A license so he said the truck had to be tagged in California. I told him it wasn’t illegal to own property in different states but it WAS illegal to have 2 drivers licenses. He was very rude. I went to court in Ventura and brought the deed to my little house in Seminole, OK to prove to the judge that I owned property there. I had the window tint removed before I went to court so that citation cost me $10 and the judge threw out the illegal registration citation. I had the window tint put back on the next day. California can bite my Bakersfield born butt. I’ve been in Oklahoma for many years now and I don’t regret it. All you truck “drivers” out there that don’t know the laws need to shut up and leave this young man alone. 😏
Gearjammer agree 100% best I have ever heard it put with the attorney deal and is totally true that’s why some law firms as well as specialty companies exist just to get people / companies legal because it’s a nightmare that no single person can possibly explain especially cops who for some reason people believe “know” , they know SHOW ME THE MONEY!
I am a fully licensed carrier. We haul boats nationwide. The rules are very simple, for any who wish to interject their stupidity. If you are being paid to haul ANYTHING across state lines a federal DOT# is required. Also, you will have to be associated with an active MC#. This also can be applied to cattle and race cars, if you are racing in paid competitions. As a personal vehicle, GVWR or GCVWR does make a difference. Technically, if your weight is over the states regulated weight you will need to cross the scale at a weigh station, but NO states enforce this on a personal level. Generally, that number is 10,000 lbs, some states are 20,000 lbs. Some states are commercial vehicles only in the weigh station. Most have signs before every station that will tell you what you are required to do. California is easy. If you are not a semi, do NOT enter the weigh station no matter what. They actually get upset, like you are wasting their time. I pull oversize boats through California with a RAM regularly, and never go into the weigh stations. All other states you must go into the station if open, unless you are given a bypass with the electric sign that some have. For the purposes of this video in California, it doesn't matter if you're commercial or not. Do not enter the weigh station. As far as personal vehicles and trailers, just keep on moving, unless you're being paid to move your load. Campers are interesting. They are being manufactured heavier all the time. Remember, your actual weight is NOT what they go by. Officers do not give tickets or any problems to individuals moving their personal campers, even though they are over the 26,001 lb threshold. If your GCVWR is 26,001 lb and over, you ARE required to have a CDL, even with your personal vehicles. That being said, it is not enforced... But, it is something they can charge you with if they want to. So, be nice to the officers, drive safely, and all will be just fine.
Private / Personal use is defined by CDL law as non- intra/interstate commerce and under 10,000lb payload. Also non air brake, 1 joint, under 26,001lbs measured weight. He is non commercial compliant.
You should have no problems if your registration says otherwise. Yo my friend I agree with you. I'm going to retire soon and I'm going to change my registration of my big truck to personal to pull my camper. Dot could pull you over but once they see the registration they will let you go. But they could also do a little investigation on you to make sure you are using that truck and trailer for personal use. I think if they suspect otherwise they will pound your truck and you could do jail time. But I am sure you are smarter than that good luck.
If you've got people bitching.. they need to learn the laws. There are way too many people out there with a similar setup that have ads on Craigslist for hauling hay... Hauling for hire... That no one ever question. Personally, I wouldn't do that, because they aren't and can not get insurance to cover the load. As a farm in Oregon, we didn't need anything... Then DMV decided we had a have a DOT number to get license... So now, yup.. DOT #, Name and the addressed city.. Just walk the line😎
Hey there Sam truly enjoy your videos thanks for taking time out of your day 2 film for us. Do you not need commercial license plate for commercial use? So if you're driving with personal plates on your vehicle what makes these guys think that you have to conform 2 hauling for hire. Some of their reasoning does not make sense maybe they want you to hire your equipment moved only so they have a job , yes they've never been in your position before they trying to get equipment home when and where you need it by trying to hire it done it just doesn't work out. If they would have stopped you all you would have had to tell him that you bought this trailer in Nevada and you're towing it home and will get the necessary paperwork when you get home which is California. I will never forget here in Oregon when they went to a commercial driver's license they had special Department of Motor Vehicle offices set up all over the state to do the written test or whatever you call it. And guys that had been driven for 1520 years we're failing the test and all they did was trying argue with the people at the DMV if they've been driving for 20 years and that's wrong and it's that the other thing. None of them figured out that what was in the book is what they wanted for an answer not necessarily what was right what was wrong they wanted their answer. I think truckers are hassled way too much and they believe you do too LOL thanks ldr
I run my 30,000 lb. shop truck with not for hire sticker on it and have never been stopped. I bought it in California and brought it to Idaho 4 or 5 yrs. ago
Hello, You are right, running your own business, We have the same in Texas. My business Since 01/1979, & Grandfather in. So I can run with no D.O.T. #, BUT I had a Class A, when I renew my license, they told me, with what I had, I could run on my, new license as a D.O.T., Class C 26,001. I am happy, with this, new License. I do not have a problem. But if I left Texas, I have a problem. No reason to leave. I am 71 yrs. young, now, I have no reason to leave Texas with a Trailer. Thank you, Again for the, Great Information. Eagle Engineer/Delivery/Agriculture/Oilfield Svc. //Not for Hire, // I just haul my stuff. If I go to a farm & ranch, in New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, They do not have D.O.T. # either, for their Equipment, to work Farm or Ranch. My family, been in business since 1933, Karels Produce & Eagles Truck line. If it was a truck we haul it. IT CALLED FARM TO MARKET. Still now, & still back then, in the 1930s. Later, You & Yours have a good Holiday, & stay Well. 12/07/2020 Carl Sea Eagle
i ran a class c 25999 truck past scales everyday for 10 plus years on I-5 portland to roseberg never stopped 1 time never got stopped or even a 2nd look
If the combination weight is over 26000 you are required a cdl. In illinois you are required a d plate. If you have a company name on the truck you are required dot#
tractor time with tim has a good video that goes into all the details with a state trooper on commercial verse non commercial use and when you have to use weigh stations, etc.
My dad And I pulled a 3car trailer loaded with 3 family Vehicles from Arizona to Oregon through Cali, with no DOT stickers got pulled over. We asked the cop if we were legal and he said yes as long as we weren’t making money and under 26k gross btw we also had the not fire hire sticker. He let us go with no tickets
The first mistake is being in California!
You remind me of JB from Louisiana Cajun Recipes, check out his channel if you want to learn some BBQ techniques.
Amen brother. California: The Land of Fruits and Nuts
Spell it right.
CRAPifornia! Or
COMMIfornia!
If you can start a private business in California and survive you are doing something right and will survive in any state except maybe New York
@SEAL CYCLE You didn't move to Texas did you?
Still blows my mind that you even need a Class B w/ passenger endorsement to drive a 10+ passenger van in California (commercially). But you can go out and buy a 40 foot Motorhome and tow a boat behind it with no prior experience needed...
Holy crap that is stupid
@@lmsendit9531 wait till your stuck behind a bunch if them towing side by sides stacked on the 10fwy doing 35mph across all 5 lanes
As long as it’s under 26001
That would be confusing if you thought a cdl-b was some sort of actual qualification. Hint: it's not, it's just to tax your business
NY now requires to get a endorsement on your class d license now if you drive RV or motorhome
At one time this was a free country now your only free to comply with whatever some badge wearing gun toting individual makes claim to . They all claim the other cop in the other state doesn't know what he's talking about.
It is about road taxes and protecting the general motorist from ill kept equipment. I've seen some junk taken out of service at weigh stations over the year. In my area we had a problem with half broken down dump trucks for years. It took someone getting T boned and killed at a light by a busted up piece of junk dump truck who had bad brakes to things cleaned up around here.
@@thomasritter3159 they don't protect shit stop lying
@@Mvp-AngelOfGod save your breathe, they can burn the world in the name of safety..
Slowly but surely, this gets worse with every day that goes by. We are slaves ...and stuff :-(
Lot of sad little boys, your fathers should have spanked your ass so you would act like a man when you were older.
Great job. I noticed some scales in California have signs that say “No Pick Ups” so you can modify a bed to fit the 5500. The furniture you got from your sister can never ever be sold or it becomes a commercial load. No getting rid of it at a yard sale. Ha! Keep the great videos coming.
I came to this so late lol. If the GVWR of the truck is over 11500 no matter what use its for you are no longer a pickup and need special stickers and have to stop at weigh stations.
Call D.O.T. and tell them you have a F450 dually and it's only ever used for personal use but you want a DOT # anyway. They will refuse to issue you one. I know. I tried.
It's not a commercial vehicle/trailer as far as I understand. You don't need them!
Federal description of a Commercial Vehicle is “Any vehicle over 10k used in the furtherance of a business”
In California last I understood all pickups are registered as commercial vehicles and are charged dmv fees based on "toneage" weight ...1/2 ton being cheapest and going up from there. If you put a tonue cover or shell on it you can register as passenger vehicle, but can get in trouble hauling items in it. California loves their fees
Thanks for making great videos! I’ve been stopped at the AG station on the 15 towing my RV trailer back from Vegas. I keep a not for hire on the truck now to keep the DOT mosquitos away.
Love all your setups, Sam... learned a lot from your videos and I think you're an asset to people who use UA-cam for tutorials, product reviews, and just general entertainment..
Love your style, and in CA too lol. I've struggled with getting a CDL but decided not to. My CVWR is 44,000 lbs (F550 with 20+5 dual tandem), I haul heavy loads, from bulldozers, loaders, even yesterday I hauled a 20' container BUT everything I haul is MINE, I own it and it is NEVER used in a commercial enterprise to make money. Every CDL manual for the states I've had to drive in or through has the exemption for the personal and or recreational vehicles, this is what makes me comfortable with my decision. Thanks for the video Sam!
If you are a California resident they have a non-commercial class A and B license that is required for anything over 26k GCVWR or a trailer over 10k.
So you haul all of your equipment with a regular driver’s license?
@@projectmayhembronco5457 So is this guy just driving with regular drivers license?
@@renzorenzo9736 Yes, and have never gotten a ticket.
@@renzorenzo9736 I've been pulled over by a few state troopers and they all want to know why I blew through their weigh station. I simply tell them I am non-commercial and show proof of ownership of truck, trailer, and goods on the trailer and they all give me a stink eye smirk and let me go on about my business.
Full support of you and the channel. You dot your I's and cross your T's always very calculated and within your capability. Hell even if you were an outlaw trucker I'd still be proud to roll with you
When it comes to crossing or passing scales, the dot can treat you however they want. Legal or not. They can always find something to mess with you over.
Im glad that you are doing well.
I really liked how you explain everything about DOT NOT FOR HIRED
“My grocery getter that happens to be a 3500” 😂😂😂 Lmfao
Mine is I use my f350 as my daily so what's your point?
hopeandbranden 🤦🏻♂️ its just funny guy no need to get pussy hurt, i don’t care what you drive. I have a 3500 dually thats a flatbed that I use to daily drive too... I bought a gas saver because a dually isn’t practical for doing 150+ miles a day.
@@blacksheep9734 ask what your point was. You act like your better then anyone else. News flash nobody cares. Some folks will only drive fullsize diesel trucks as a daily and some drive mini vans.
Chris Struble exactly 😂 i just thought him saying that was funny i dont get this guys problem.
Chris Struble i was thinking he was trying to sound like mr. Big dick bragging that he drives a f350, guess what nobody cares lol
I move my farm equipment back and forth Texas to Tennessee for our family farms no numbers or bs no issues
If youre a farmer its not against the law to do so. I think you have up to 75 miles radius from your home that its allowed (depends on your state)
@@mackwoodcock7484 I ignore that BS its a communist rule ... if I need equipment I have driven 1000 miles one way . I'll go
To hell with hiway nazis.
I have a Place in Michigan and Farm in Kentucky Farm plated F250 and same trailer. No stickers nothing F Kalifornia I ride through Ohio weekly never bothered.
If you move farm equipment and it’s over 26,001 lbs you better have a class A CDL, and if you go over 150 air miles you better be running a log book.
Your grocery getter is all good. I totally agree with you 😎👍 Great video as always 👌
Man I love the content, been watching your channel for years. Just don’t pay the super truckers no mind. It doesn’t matter if you are over loaded all the damn time or not. It’s non of anyone’s business. I feel sure they don’t abide by the laws all the time. You have to get the job done either way. Regardless you have covered everything just fine man. Keep it up!
yeah till its your people killed on the hi-way then its all a different story. or your new cars totaled and you lose thousands , in claims.
Whoa there buddy calm down..there is a difference between over loaded by 10lbs vs 10,000. just like with anything in life you have to use common sense.
Different states have different requirements. Difference between your enclosed trailer and your open trailer as far as the bug station, they can see what you're hauling on the trailer. DOT regulations are for commerce. You can drive a semi as personal use. You need "Not for hire" signs visible and you're not under DOT regulations.
The way I see it, if your GCWR is above 21,000 pounds or if the vehicle has air brakes, you should need a CDL.
The only time you'd need a DOT/MC number is if you are engaged in inter/intrastate commerce, otherwise a "not-for-hire" sign should be posted.
In the Drone world, if you make a UA-cam video with the drone and get money from it, that flight is commercial. So if the FAA was running the DOT, you might technically get a lengthy warning letter lol. But my Cummins has passenger plates too so I feel ya! Fun video.
All good information. Your not the only one with an out of the box disappointment. A few months back, I bought a PJ dump trailer, got a deal🙄. Brakes out of adjustment, two of four wheels loose and missing 4 lug nuts, hydraulic reservoir over filled and blew all over the place, back doors were out of alignment and needed to be worked. Happy now though😃. Enjoy your new set up and thanks for sharing👍👍👍🇺🇸
All legal, before I watched the video! Keep rolling Sam.
Jesus people, he DOES NOT NEED DOT OR MC Authority! A CDL is all that is needed for personal use vehicles over 26k gvwr.
Gene Fugatt haha thank you! Had fun making this video never the less
Thanks for watching
@@VBELTandSON no worries. Keep the great content coming.
As far as I understand. You can run anything even a Semi (80k) without USDOT#s as long as it's not a Commercial load. (Not For Hire")
J Claydon, thats the way I understand it also, hence these gigantic motor homes that don’t require CDL...
@@jclaydon3454 Correct. I haul a 40' 5th wheel RV with a Pete 330. I have a Class A, but not DOT, CA, or any other numbers required on that rig.
Tractor time with Tim did a UA-cam video with a dot officer explaining everything
Dirt Perfect did as well except without all the hand and arm movements! Officer Hoover was the guy in both videos.
I was just pulled over twice in the last 6 months. I was hauling my little tractor not for hire as well. They both told me one cop a dot and one cop chp. They both told me the same thing 26k with a single vehicle if u add a trailer anything over 10k for personal not for hire needs a none commercial cdl no dot numbers needed. If making money with it need cdl mc and dot . I still have the tickets if interested in what they wrote me up for.
No wonder it's such a PIA the move freight in an out of CA. So much so, I try to never sell anything to anyone in CA.
Your personal vehicle doesn’t need to be registered period. If you decide to put it in service then you register it. I have an F250 it’s been a grocery getter. Eventually it’ll go into service and I’ll get my DOT and MC numbers at that time. Great video man
As far as it goes around here, you're perfectly legal in your personal vehicle. That's how people get away with hauling a 17,000 lb camper without having any special license.
Or boats. The difference here is the trailer is pulling is normally used for commercial work. He said he does have a class A license all the way to and including airbrakes. Like you said he should have no problems.
Whihc is absurd.
Government logic. Someone can be in a 16 foot box truck or a cargo van with dual rear wheels that has a GVWR of 12k lbs....If those are being used for interstate commerce, or intrastate beyond a 150 air mile radius, these owner/operators must have a USDOT /MC number or lease to a company and operate under their Authority.
Meanwhile, the states and federal government allows a septuagenarian with so-so eyesight and the reflexes of a three toed sloth be able to operate a 45 foot long 30k lb Motorcoach RV towing a 5,000lb full sized SUV and the guy in the box truck or cargo van is a menace to society.
I was up in New Hampshire in 2016 with my Lance truck camper on the back of my 2012 3500 Dually crew cab 4x4 but have the truck registered commercial through my business and have a class A CDL and medical card.... pulled into a rest stop and right into a D.O.T and State police inspection....so I'm like okay.... waiting my turn and two troopers come up to me and say.... what are you doing in this line ?... I'm like sign says DOT truck inspection.... They said you are exempt because you're carrying a camper and recreational vehicles are exempt...I said but It's a commercially registered company truck which I also use for camping... and I have a class A license and medical card....he says..as long as you have a camper whether it's truck mounted or towing it..you don't need to stop for any scales or inspections.... I'm like okay.. but is that only in New Hampshire ? He says nope that's a federal law so you're good anywhere you go.... He also says. We already ran your plates and license and your all good.... and have a great trip !
RV's are exempt from needing the same endorsement unitl a certain Weight threshold. Zcant remember that number but I believe it is 26k
@@hey_youtubeim_back2159 ... that's the rule for most cases, but as soon as you have camper or RV plates you are basically exempt from everything, including air brake endorsements. They treat a 40k lb Prevost RV the same as an E-350 camper conversion.
We operate in the South, headquartered out of Mississippi, we run 550s and 36' goosenecks, and we don't worry about any numbers in our commercial pickups, we only run DOT numbers on our tractor trailers and have no issues
Very informative. Valid points you made. I think if it's titled in your name and not a company your considered private.
Valid points made from opinion, are not facts, just uneducated opinions and rationalizing.
Great info. Appreciate it. I’m not even a trucker. Iam 66 yrs. old And I plan on getting my class B license to help out my son with his wild fire fighting water 6 wheel drive truck in Northern California. Have safe travels.
Did you know that emergency vehicles do not require a CDL license to drive them? Fire departments or hot shot crews driving water trucks. As long as you are on the job of firefighting, you dont need a CDL. I believe when I found that, FEMA website had that information. But DO NOT TAKE NY WORD FOR IT, do your own research on Government websites Not personal opinions from want a be drivers.
@m.weston7114 lies. You can’t drive a fire truck with a normal class c license.
Thanks for the info on your video. I think you are hitting the nail on the head.
There are videos floating around that to pull a personal fifth wheel camper with a 3500 dully you need a certain class CDL. ( I can not remember what class was talked about in the video)Or for that matter any trailer. I haul my New Holland TC33d compact tractor in my 12,000 lb dump trailer with my 03 Dodge 2500 a lot of the summer. I have never been stopped by the DOT. Your video is great information! Thank you
Don’t need if not hauling for hire . Can run personal with a cdl
It's private not personal. The people are not persons. Persons are employed. People have no duties. Using the legal name and date of birth incorporated you into the corporation as a citizen. Never call yourself citizen or resident unless you fully comprehend and you want to. This is not a joke.
@@Youhaverights6 thanks
@@Youhaverights6 be a little more clear?
I have been a tractor trailer driver since 1996. I have a class A cdl. As long as you're using your pickup and trailer totally for personal use you are not a commercial vehicle and you are not required to have all the markings on your pickup. With that said you can also use your work truck that does have all the MC numbers and use it as a personal vehicle and be legal to use it as a personal vehicle as well. As long as you're not engaging in any for hire commerce
Good to go here in Texas, we do the exact same thing basically.
In Ca all of our personal pick ups are registered commercial. the give away is the one letter on the plate in lieu of 3 for a personal non commercial truck or car(truck with a shell) can be registered non commercial
I took a Chevy 3500 dually with a 30’ gooseneck, put a 3500 duramax on the gooseneck hauled it from Minnesota to South Carolina for personal use. Never hit a scale never was stopped. Talked to a state trooper when I was filling up the truck. It’s a non issue.
It is an issue, you just havent been caught yet. I guess it's not illegal until you get caught. Commercial DOT cops are different than regular cops. Regular cops are clueless in commercial FMCSA rules, because they hand out parking tickets and know nothing else.
Your fine. Personal use=NO need to add all the money and BS to that truck and trailer. People are just gonna hate. Keep the videos coming!
Well I'm not in or from California. But to answer your question. I believe for ( personal ) use no numbers needed but you said it's a back up to the work rig so in the event your using it as a back up doing what ever the work truck normally does then you would need the lettering at those moment's to be compliant.
On a further note where I live if I'm off duty of my business but doing something for the business I need to log it as business related becouse it's a tax right off on milage or fuel.
Also if tou work in construction at a site but are hauling your acquirement to the site that's a work activity so you are on the clock the moment you start driving.
At least that's how it is in my state of Massachusetts
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Im in so cal and I work at a feed store and I can’t tell you how many people have dually pick up trucks. They all have them for personal use. Never seen dot #. And some are up there in Weight. But seem to do just fine. I think you are ok with the grocery getter.
Lots of people speed, but doesn't make it legal
I think people should commend you on your videos and maybe take some lessons on you doing your due diligence and investigating all the proper laws and permits you should be commended not shunned good job great video and I drove truck for 35 years
Thank you I appreciate that!
Have a good day 👍🏻
When I spent the winter in Cali, I observed the 55 speed limit. Lost 1 mpg because my truck is happiest at 62 mph
Gerald Koth right?! 100% believe that.
I run Not for hire and personal use only stickers on all my trailers in Washington. But my truck is licensed for 32000 witch makes it so I need my CDL. In Washington it states any trailer gvw over 10000 lbs is required to have a CDL. But they are just now starting to in force the laws. Love your videos. Im a retired trucker 2 million miles on the road . Now I just play with my tractor's
The part where you're correct is its personal not for money. You hold a class A cdl so you have the license for the weight if the dot does stop you. However that is not necessarily a requirement. Most states have an alternative either endorsement ie "recreational" or a non commercial class A.. I think alot of it comes down to the mood of the officer that stops you, as to how hard he wants to try to prove or make you prove whether or not you're making money with it. That includes if a 3rd party is paying for your fuel.
What gets me is that according to TX troopers that I have spoken with its perfectly legal to drive a 350/3500 which have ratings over 10,001lbs on a class C.. but they stop you for looking commercial (ie large trailer) or even hauling an rv. Because your rating is high enough to require.....
Several years ago there was an incident: So empty trailer 40' goose and a 3500 a guy was stopped and shut down. Turns out that he was driving his sons truck back to the house after something happened causing the son to stay with the other vehicle (wife got sick or something) Son did do hotshot but I do not recall much from it I don't recall there being dot numbers ect. But the trooper said the design (gvwr) of the combination and length required a CDL A. The son took to Facebook looking for someone to finish the drive and they would be given a ride back where ever they needed along with some cash. (It was more specific about pay) so between this incident and my talks with TX dot it really depends on the officer to decide if he wants to look at the vehicle as possible commercial violation.
Another tidbit I heard was that those who put the "not for hire" stickers drew more attention as alot of hotshot companies were doing that at least at that time..
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Type of use does not matter , it is the weight.😎😎😎😎
I'm a class a heavy hauler semi/hotshot/dump truck driver, laid off right now, but ohio is supposedly changing it to where most people will have to have a class a non cdl . We have large cattle trailers/dump trailer/flatbed trailer (goose neck) for the inlaws farm. So told my inlaws just to call me of they are going to want anything heavy towed. I mentioned this stuff about what ohio dot is doing to my father in law and nephew, now whether they go down that route or not is on them. But i know also in ohio if only for agriculture they will grant you so many miles and can make your regular license into a class b .
I appreciated the narration of this. There’s a huge amount of misinformation out there regarding personal trucks and licensing. I wish TN didn’t require a CDL and had a restricted class A for personal use. But I’ll end up getting a CDL just because of the weights and trailers involved. I’m non commercial as well, but I’ll have to have the CDL the way I interpret the laws, rules, and regulations.
you DO NOT need any commercial markings if a vehicle is NOT used for business. you have your vehicles correctly marked as NOT for hire as required which exempts the requirement for all the markings. the same applies to class A vehicles not used for commerce. I do the same thing up and down the east coast and have not been challenged anywhere. any DOT official may stop any vehicle on the roads and do an inspection.
I bought a dump truck, single axle, gvwr 16k lbs. The state made me get commercial plates because im over 10,000lbs. My insurance forced me to use a business so i used my DBA as an electrician. 🤷♂️
Other than that it's strictly for personal use, always has been. If i get stopped i have no idea what's going to happen. I just transport building materials i get for free to my land to build my house. The truck was $1400. 😬
I haven't studied this for awhile, but I believe there are two entities that we are capable of engaging others as: 1. We conduct commerce as a public citizen, with other public entities, and 2. We can contract as private entities with any other private entity, and that our right to contract without restriction is protected by constitution.
So, as far as I know, that means that you can even "earn" in some situations in whatever vehicle you choose. Or as you say, "personal use", because, for example, earning a wage to eat and survive is a right protected by the 9th amendment, etc.
I drive my own stuff(private) was told by my local Hyway Patrol "Do Not Put NOT FOR HIRE sticker on trucks". He says they are a Target for Police. Burden of Proof is on them to prove you are hauling commercially. Be Blessed
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Yes it does if you are polling Gooseneck trailers because they are work trailers not personal use trailers. Your breaking the law end of story
@@markrugman1435 What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with my comment
Just because its a gooseneck trailer does NOT mean that it is used for COMMERCE. Lots of people own gooseneck trailers and use them personally to haul atv's/utv's like he said. I've used mine to haul tractor/brush hog to land I owned at the time while when we were building our home. I haul firewood to family members. I use it for lots of things. The part people don't/can't seem to understand is that if your not using it in a way that generates revenue/income then it's considered PERSONAL USE.
PERIOD, END OF STORY!
@@markrugman1435 Wrong! Being a gooseneck has nothing to do with the way a trailer is being used. If its not being used in a manner that supports/generates revenue/income then its considered personal use. Hauling furniture, automobiles, motorcycles/atv's, gravel, brush, dirt, or anything else possible. If it's being used for COMMERCE (either intrastate or interstate) only then is it required to have DOT #'s, Gross weight rating, etc. etc.
I roll in Atlantic Canada. Run an F800 with 2 trailers I own, all 3 registered in my name. Have a CDL, and paid the registration fees for the DMV's weight-rated haulers. Even paid a new additional fee to become an NSC operator. I haul my own items only. Not commercially plated either, as such is not required... but paying for weight is O.K. The mandatory-minimum of $2M insurance is hefty / annually. Every time I'm close to a weigh scale, I pull into the right lane. If my trailer is empty, the lights after the camera's say "Truck pass scale". If anything is loaded on my trailer... "Truck report to scale". No issues yet, but given the times of today, safely guess it won't be long until the needless hassle begins. In Canada, "NOT FOR HIRE" decals are like an automatic target. I also do not have decals that state :Fire extinguisher inside", nor "First Aid Kit on board". Respects to you. Love your videos. Tom.
I use a class 8 truck to pull my 5th wheel and occasionally my backhoe and skid steer on a flat bed. The equipment is only used on my mountain property never commercial. No CDL or DOT#. No problem
Love learning about thingd i never knew
Man those roads in Cali seem really bad! what are they doing with all those taxes?
China could care less about the roads
Paying for all the bureaucrats' houses and taxes probably!
In any state you do not need a dot or mc or any kind of cdl as long as its your personal use i drive an 08 3500 with 26,000 or less pounds and they cant do anything about it bc its personal use they have never messed with me when i get pulled over they just check the breaks and lights to make sure im running safe. Its all legal as long as your not making any money
Also you dont need a not for higher sticker.
I hauled a 30 foot travel trailer with my 1 ton dually. I never stopped at truck weigh stations. If I had a skid steer then I could understand.
So long as NOT for compensation requires NO DOT Number, in MO once cross 32,000 license must have name, vIn and home town on sides, DOT still not required.
According to Utah state law, all livestock must stop at the scale house. Ask me if I’ve ever stopped. “A nation of scofflaws.” 🇺🇸
I used to drive an f350 wrecker with no name, numbers and no “not for hire” sticker as my personal vehicle. DOT pulled me over once and once I told him it was my daily driver and I didn’t use it for making money, he said have a nice day.
I have a ram 5500 rollback registered interest in New York with a GVW of 19,500 that I’ll be using to relocate to Florida towing my wife’s car and I don’t believe FMCSA laws apply. According to FMCSA law 390.3, section f- 3 :
(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation and not in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise ARE EXEMPT !
That's a Diamond C trailer, great trailer 👍🏻.
Some states are just ridiculous. Louisiana is super easy to deal with. If it's not for hire use you don't even need a CDL
You are not required to register and get DOT numbers for personal vehicles that are not for hire. I have a retired Peterbilt that I have converted to an RV, and I have no markings at all on it anymore, and I do not stop at scales.
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The key to commercial or private is making money or getting paid. If you are not for hire and you were in a class 8 truck with a 53 foot trailer loaded with lumber for you to build a personal house you are not commercial
From what I have looked into if any vehicle and trailer is cable if caring over 26k pounds then you have to have at least the lowest class of cdl. When you have a cdl and the vehicle and trailer are not intended to be in use at your business then you don’t have to have dot and all the other stuff. Just a cdl of any class
I asked my dad from Oregon about my personal California 5th wheel trailer project and re-registering because I am moving out of state and flat bedding it. He said well don’t worry about it, once I hit the border I won’t need registration where I am going 😂
Just because you have a large trailer with a 3500 or other pickup truck doesn't mean you need to have a CDL and/or DOT #. You only need to have that stuff if you are running for-profit freight. Hauling for personal use doesn't require anything more than a regular license and vehicle plates, registration and personal insurance. The state would have to prove you were using said vehicle and trailer as for-hire purposes to require getting them licensed as commercial vehicles.
OK so a couple things. The 1st one would be your truck having a not for higher sticker on it. You are technically not for hire if you are transporting your own equipment. Many super truckers miss understand what not for hire means. If you are for hire it means you are transporting someone else's equipment or product. Not for higher means you transport your own product and/or goods regardless to whether you are making money or not. Examples would be and equipment rental business such as I owned in the past. Another example would be rock quarries or building material house.
As for the DOT number, California did start requiring that a few years ago. There's really nothing to it. Basically you fill out the paperwork and you have a dot number. Now we are not talking about a motor Carrier authority. That would be something different. But again you only need a DOT number because you are technically not for hire.
Btw, Congrats on the new trailer purchase. 👍
Tex Garcia hey Tex, man we have had much different experiences! I own a rental company and was stopped in 2017 towing absolutely nothing but a cat 277, no attachments at all just the machine and the guy was set up at an abandoned gas station about a 1/4 mile from the off ramp where I got on this particular road and in this distance I was going idk maybe 40-45mph and this “officer steps out from behind a sign right in front of me and I am telling you it was a matter of feet with me standing on the brakes to keep from hitting him, if I would have been blinking when this guy stepped out I would be in prison right now for running over this guy it scared me to death lol. Says to me “can you get this thing in this parking lot here”? Yes sir I say and pull into the rather small parking lot where I see his cruiser and spot the grey van tucked on the other side, now I can tell you from head on this guy had no idea if I was sporting all the legal stuff or not or for that matter what I was pulling but he was clearly going to check it out either way. After I got parked guy walks right up as I’m rolling the window down drops the tool on my window as it’s in motion to check for tint which I did have at the time and was under the legal limit in my state btw,..then asked for my paper work while stating “I would appreciate it if you could put a move on it’s quitting time” , hand this guy the normal stuff immediately, License, registration and proof of insurance...while he was checking that out I was getting my binder with all the other stuff that is neatly organized in there when 5 seconds later I hear “ahh ha”! To shorten this up I was there for about an hour and a half and had the entire deck of this 35’ trailer “that I owned” covered with paperwork, when it was all said and done I left there or “attempted” to leave there with $3800 in fines including tint, lack of IFTA, over weight and something else I can’t remember. In this particular combo of my personal truck which was registered for 13580 (roughly) and gooseneck which was registered commercially at 20000 I weighed 27 something all up on portable scales and was given a citation for being 17 something over (whatever the difference over the personal truck was registered for). I was cordial as possible with these guys until the end, keep in mind I cordially explained after being asked that I owned all of this stuff...they don’t care as one guy sat in the back of the van and referenced books as I asked questions at the end. I was red tagged and had to break the combo up and retrieve trailer and skid steer later with “appropriately registered truck” in order to leave there...I was 20 minutes from my destination and 7 hours from home too when I was told “this can’t stay here this is private property and we don’t know who’s it is” , I say so help me understand this you are telling me I can’t leave here he says “correct” and you are also telling me I can’t stay here he says “correct”... I then ask ok what do you recommend that I do? "sir I cannot give you legal advice”...guy walks to his cruiser as the other guy is buttoning up the van and I suppose out of pure shame the guy walks back and says I can tell you this...in the entire state 2 dot officers are currently on patrol duty and we are going that way when we pull out have a nice evening. This was with all personally owned, late model stuff that was nice and shiny with enough paperwork to start a library. My luck I guess, I have other stories that are far crazier, some are actually funny looking back on them. Steven King couldn’t make this stuff up. I can say that until I started venturing out past about an hour radius of my hometown I never had a single issue ever. I don’t know others experiences and can’t speak to them but it seems to me from what I have gathered over the years that it boils down to luck of the draw as to what is legal and what is not legal and that’s why I have said in previous comments on the topic that it makes no difference who you ask or what anyone says really it just seems to matter who stops you and how the quota looks that day I guess. I should probably say that I do a lot of driving (I don’t want to but have to) shuttling around various compact equipment and specialty items to my different sites all over and therefore probably have a greater chance of being caught for something than most I don’t know. It also seems that rigs like Sams make easy targets for these guys as I have sat after being flagged into inspections while I watch them wave old junk freightliners thru with coat hangers and duct tape holding parts on and then spend an hour with a fine tooth comb going over my stuff. I know there is a lot of good law enforcement officers out there and I don’t envy the job at all but it sure seems that “To protect and serve” has turned into “collect and suffer” at least on this front. Have a good one Tex.
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Transporting a rental piece of equipment to or from a customer of a rental company does sould like commercial use.
Agreed, however if I am the customer that day....the water just gets muddied so fast.
@@MrRShoaf yes, commercial use. But not for hire none the less. The rental company is transporting its own property. Aka a private carrier.
I agree with you 100%!!!?
I'm still waiting for California to require a special license and certification for driving a electric vehicle.
Do they have farm plates in your area? In Massachusetts, farm plates exempt you from commercial fed laws.
Cary same with nj
He’s in California no such thing as farm plates.
Farm plates have restrictions though
Used my C60 and a friends 40 foot shipping container trailer to pick up and bring home 10 40 foot High cubes. I bought them to use for building my home.
2.5 million miles as a trucker here. You may get pulled but should always be able to drive away no tickets. Just keep it between the ditches shiny side up rubber side down. Now the DMV is saying if you have brakes on a trailer you must have no cdl class a. Your golden drive on. Transportation or Apportioned is when you are hauling paid cargo. Not shit you are buying and selling or doing construction with. To many know nothing know I alls out there. Not For hire is in the CDL manual. Also RV use.
The only way they could complain is technically you are delivering a trailer for business use. If you don't tell I won't either. Actually the personal items on the trailer help make the case for personal use. Those are awesome trailers and one is on my want list! Truck on!
All scales in cali say no pickups and defines that as a standard box style bed not contractors beds doesnt matter if your hauling commercial or not you dont have to go into scales. In any vehicle hauling non commercial personal use if required to go into the scales you may use the empty lane as the load is not commercial, so if sam was to drive the 5500 he would be required to enter the scale but as long as the load was personal he could take the empty lane. I have been doing this for year past so cal scales weekly
1 ton chevy and borrow my buddies 30 foot goose neck all the time hauling farm equipment, hay ect..... Live in Maryland but frequently move through Pa, WV, VA, and As far as TN. Never had any issue knock on wood and have never stopped at a scale house.
We run entire fleets of trucks and it all depends on the State Trooper I have found. Most police don't even pay attention to these numbers or details. But there are some Troopers like in Wyoming that will raise hell if there is no US DOT # and No Company Name. Wyoming seems to want all trucks over 10,000 that are owned by commercial business owners pro-rate plated. But here in Montana, a county plate is fine, but when you hit the border, you can have problems. By the way, once you have a DOT #, you can put the same number on all the trucks you own. Then they will see you have the number and not have a reason to stop you. It's only a one time fee to get the number. And then they just keep a record online of your fleet history which can be good for job references as long as your don't have any crashes.
Kinda funny, back here in WI and MN you are required to have a DOT# if your hauling a race trailer. At first it was just the trucks so the guys switched to hauling with RVs to keep an exemption. Worked for a little while, now they say racing has the potential to win income making it for commerce so even the RVs now need DOT# for any racing equipment.
Put airbags and a brake controller in your hotrod RWD car and haul with that!
If you keep the stock style bed you won't get hassled as much. If you got an aftermarket bed such as the CM truck bed CA dot automatically assumes your a commercial truck, at least the one's in the tulare ca to fresno ca area.
There are people that think you need commercial registration to use this truck and trailer personally? Where did they get that idea?
In Colorado, if you are driving any company owned truck and trailer with a GCWR of over 26000 lbs you must display a DOT Number, and company name. This is regardless of weather you own the company or not. If the vehicle is registered to the company, it needs the stickers. If registered to just you, and it's your cargo, no stickers needed. We do not need the weight stickers in Colorado. f using a pickup, and trailer, you only need the DOT Number on one of the two. My company put the DOT numbers on the trailer, as we only needed it when pulling the trailer.
If the vehicle is registered to the company, you will need the appropriate CDL for the weight ratings. If it's private property, and not company registered, no special licensing needed, up to certain weight restrictions, (Not sure what those restrictions are) where you will need a Private Carrier Permit, and a CDL.
This is all based on Colorado. Other States have their own regulations. And of course Federal Law covers Commercial vehicles, as well.
In the end, do your research, based on your State (or Country, this is an international venue), and follow the local laws.
Stay safe, and keep the underside down.
I’ve been a trucker for 40 years. My father also owned a trucking company he started in 1966 in California. Most of the truck drivers out there have no business making comments because they’re full of shit and don’t know anything. Pay no attention to them because you practically have to hire a D.O.T. attorney to decipher all of California’s ridiculous rules. Most truckers out there under 50 years old don’t know what they’re talking about . A lot of CHP Officers don’t even know what they’re talking about. I once got pulled over near Oxnard in my brand new Ford dually back in 2000 because I had tinted windows. I had just got back from Oklahoma and tagged it there.
I own property there but I lived in Lake Elsinore, CA at the time. This stupid officer became beligerent and told me my dually pickup was illegally licensed because I didn’t have a California tag. I had a California Class A license so he said the truck had to be tagged in California. I told him it wasn’t illegal to own property in different states but it WAS illegal to have 2 drivers licenses. He was very rude. I went to court in Ventura and brought the deed to my little house in Seminole, OK to prove to the judge that I owned property there. I had the window tint removed before I went to court so that citation cost me $10 and the judge threw out the illegal registration citation. I had the window tint put back on the next day. California can bite my Bakersfield born butt. I’ve been in Oklahoma for many years now and I don’t regret it. All you truck “drivers” out there that don’t know the laws need to shut up and leave this young man alone. 😏
Gearjammer agree 100% best I have ever heard it put with the attorney deal and is totally true that’s why some law firms as well as specialty companies exist just to get people / companies legal because it’s a nightmare that no single person can possibly explain especially cops who for some reason people believe “know” , they know SHOW ME THE MONEY!
I am a fully licensed carrier. We haul boats nationwide. The rules are very simple, for any who wish to interject their stupidity. If you are being paid to haul ANYTHING across state lines a federal DOT# is required. Also, you will have to be associated with an active MC#. This also can be applied to cattle and race cars, if you are racing in paid competitions. As a personal vehicle, GVWR or GCVWR does make a difference. Technically, if your weight is over the states regulated weight you will need to cross the scale at a weigh station, but NO states enforce this on a personal level. Generally, that number is 10,000 lbs, some states are 20,000 lbs. Some states are commercial vehicles only in the weigh station. Most have signs before every station that will tell you what you are required to do. California is easy. If you are not a semi, do NOT enter the weigh station no matter what. They actually get upset, like you are wasting their time. I pull oversize boats through California with a RAM regularly, and never go into the weigh stations. All other states you must go into the station if open, unless you are given a bypass with the electric sign that some have. For the purposes of this video in California, it doesn't matter if you're commercial or not. Do not enter the weigh station. As far as personal vehicles and trailers, just keep on moving, unless you're being paid to move your load. Campers are interesting. They are being manufactured heavier all the time. Remember, your actual weight is NOT what they go by. Officers do not give tickets or any problems to individuals moving their personal campers, even though they are over the 26,001 lb threshold. If your GCVWR is 26,001 lb and over, you ARE required to have a CDL, even with your personal vehicles. That being said, it is not enforced... But, it is something they can charge you with if they want to. So, be nice to the officers, drive safely, and all will be just fine.
Private / Personal use is defined by CDL law as non- intra/interstate commerce and under 10,000lb payload. Also non air brake, 1 joint, under 26,001lbs measured weight. He is non commercial compliant.
You should have no problems if your registration says otherwise. Yo my friend I agree with you. I'm going to retire soon and I'm going to change my registration of my big truck to personal to pull my camper. Dot could pull you over but once they see the registration they will let you go. But they could also do a little investigation on you to make sure you are using that truck and trailer for personal use. I think if they suspect otherwise they will pound your truck and you could do jail time. But I am sure you are smarter than that good luck.
Haters going to hate no matter what!! Keep the good videos coming 👍
If you've got people bitching.. they need to learn the laws.
There are way too many people out there with a similar setup that have ads on Craigslist for hauling hay... Hauling for hire... That no one ever question.
Personally, I wouldn't do that, because they aren't and can not get insurance to cover the load.
As a farm in Oregon, we didn't need anything... Then DMV decided we had a have a DOT number to get license... So now, yup.. DOT #, Name and the addressed city..
Just walk the line😎
Hey there Sam truly enjoy your videos thanks for taking time out of your day 2 film for us. Do you not need commercial license plate for commercial use? So if you're driving with personal plates on your vehicle what makes these guys think that you have to conform 2 hauling for hire. Some of their reasoning does not make sense maybe they want you to hire your equipment moved only so they have a job , yes they've never been in your position before they trying to get equipment home when and where you need it by trying to hire it done it just doesn't work out. If they would have stopped you all you would have had to tell him that you bought this trailer in Nevada and you're towing it home and will get the necessary paperwork when you get home which is California. I will never forget here in Oregon when they went to a commercial driver's license they had special Department of Motor Vehicle offices set up all over the state to do the written test or whatever you call it. And guys that had been driven for 1520 years we're failing the test and all they did was trying argue with the people at the DMV if they've been driving for 20 years and that's wrong and it's that the other thing. None of them figured out that what was in the book is what they wanted for an answer not necessarily what was right what was wrong they wanted their answer. I think truckers are hassled way too much and they believe you do too LOL thanks ldr
It's not its a personal vehicle in Canada. But regardless have to stop at scails as wight posted. Ur In the right.
Even if your semi is for personal use such as a hauling your travel trailer or trailer that hauls your toys you don't need a CDL or DOT numbers
I run my 30,000 lb. shop truck with not for hire sticker on it and have never been stopped. I bought it in California and brought it to Idaho 4 or 5 yrs. ago
Idk about other states but Washington state tells you not you put not for hire stickers on your vehicle to show compliance
Hello, You are right, running your own business, We have the same in Texas. My business Since 01/1979, & Grandfather in. So I can run with no D.O.T. #, BUT I had a Class A, when I renew my license, they told me, with what I had, I could run on my, new license as a D.O.T., Class C 26,001. I am happy, with this, new License. I do not have a problem. But if I left Texas, I have a problem. No reason to leave. I am 71 yrs. young, now, I have no reason to leave Texas with a Trailer. Thank you, Again for the, Great Information. Eagle Engineer/Delivery/Agriculture/Oilfield Svc. //Not for Hire, // I just haul my stuff. If I go to a farm & ranch, in New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, They do not have D.O.T. # either, for their Equipment, to work Farm or Ranch. My family, been in business since 1933, Karels Produce & Eagles Truck line. If it was a truck we haul it. IT CALLED FARM TO MARKET. Still now, & still back then, in the 1930s. Later, You & Yours have a good Holiday, & stay Well. 12/07/2020 Carl Sea Eagle
i ran a class c 25999 truck past scales everyday for 10 plus years on I-5 portland to roseberg never stopped 1 time never got stopped or even a 2nd look
If the combination weight is over 26000 you are required a cdl. In illinois you are required a d plate. If you have a company name on the truck you are required dot#
tractor time with tim has a good video that goes into all the details with a state trooper on commercial verse non commercial use and when you have to use weigh stations, etc.
My dad And I pulled a 3car trailer loaded with 3 family Vehicles from Arizona to Oregon through Cali, with no DOT stickers got pulled over. We asked the cop if we were legal and he said yes as long as we weren’t making money and under 26k gross btw we also had the not fire hire sticker. He let us go with no tickets