Bachmann's LNER Robinson O4 | Still Worth Buying? | Unboxing & Review
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A full review of the Bachmann LNER Robinson Class O4
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0:00 Intro
3:39 Unboxing
7:51 Prototype info
9:22 Detail
16:54 Mechanism
21:55 Performance
28:03 Ratings
31:20 Final thoughts - Авто та транспорт
Your little collection of Great Central locos is really impressive Sam. You've got the D11, A5/9N, O4/8K and the J11. If you're able to get Hattons GCR coaches you could set up a really nice themed running session.
Thanks! Yeah that's true actually - I didn't realise how many ex-GCR locos were available!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It’s a great idea to do some of these older models and I like the reference to current pricing when assessing value for money and is good to see when marking down old mechanisms it’s also rewarded for good second hand market conditions
Thanks Luke - glad you liked the idea! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I personally think there is nothing wrong with buying secondhand items so long as you know what you’re getting. Recently purchased a Hornby Black 5 off eBayUK, runs like a dream, and the tender is detachable 😉
Interesting concept, Sam. Cheers.
Agree, most of my fleet is pre owned
Yeah absolutely - there's not much else to do with the price of new stuff these days!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Most of my locos are secondhand. And rolling stock.
The vast majority are in mint condition and I strongly suspect had little use before I bought them. Those I've bought brand new have usually been at large discounts.
Always interesting videos, thanks Sam!!!
Thanks Robert! :D
It's nice too see some older locos finally under the spotlight. Great video :)
Thanks! Yeah I enjoyed doing this - will do more!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, I just wanted to give you a little bit of a update on my GER P43 project. I've finished rebuilding the running board, and now I'll be moving on making the boiler. I'll still keep you up to date :)
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Ahh that sounds super exciting - good luck with the rest!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is a fair assessment and a good review.
Brilliant video as always 😊🎉😊
Cheers Sam!
Another lovely and fascinating loco in your collection Sam. Oh yes, new old stock unused. First thing we always check is all wheels and the entire mechanism moving freely. Sometimes some rotating parts can even be stuck by hardened grease. A dab of WD40 might help to get them going to avoid any damage or unquatering, then still remove all of the grease throughout the entire mechanism with isopropanol and apply fresh lubricants on all the spots as per requirement. Motors failing might be a different matter of course, but your solution with a new micromotor in a diy cradle is just brilliant.The show you made on it was a joy. A cradle like that can also be made by scratch-build most likely and presumably. Anyway, a lovely loco Sam. Cheerio.
Thanks for the comment Linda - yeah that's right, always worth taking time to check!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good to see u again slammin sam great review.hey sam salvage or scrape ??
Awesome video Sam's trains 😊
Thanks a lot Brian!
@@SamsTrains you're welcome Sam's trains
It's a great idea to do some reviews on used items because many of us now buy more used than new because of the pricing.
I would suggest everyone gives them a service especially if you're reviewing them because a lot of lubricants dry up over time and many people
seem to over-lubricate them to try and quiet them down or whatever which can cause lots of issues. Cheers!
I think it’s a really good plan to do reviews of older models still on off, or common types people pick up secondhand, especially with the way new prices are a lot of your viewers will be more likely to buy a secondhand model than a brand new 2024 release.
I got the ROD 3000 class professionally weathered and DCC fitted from ebay for 66 quid last year after searching for four months for one and I'm well pleased with it trundling round the layout with a long consist of coal wagons - never let ppl tell you that there's no bargains on the bay if you look hard enough for a while... You just have to be patient, set up a search alert and study the photos and description carefully. Btw I have just paid for my pre-order of the Accurascale (ex Hattons) class 66 (in Freightliner green) so I presume it's close to being in stock - I hope you can do a review of that release.
Hi Sam, you mentioned about giving a potentially gummed up motor a refresh of lubricant. Forgive the ignorance but does that just involve lubricating all the accessable external moving parts, having IPA'd and cleaned them first? Another stellar video and as other commentators have stated great to see a 'second' hand Loco review. Keep up all your hard work!
Hi Sam. That coreless motor you’ve got in there has enough shaft sticking out the back that you could fit a small flywheel to it. That would give the model a few grams more weight and maybe improve the tractive effort a bit. 😊
i got an 04 years ago...was a great runner when i last ran it.....i'll have to dig it out some time to see how it is....
Funny story Sam, I actually have one of these. Although mine hasn't been the best performer, because about I think 6 months ago the motor completely bunt out and I've spent hours trying to get it back to work. Later I just gave up on it and ordered a new motor from Bachmann. Thankfully it's still running today, although now has a bit of a limp when it runs.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
A limp what?
A lovely locomotive in 1-1 scale at the Great Central Railway. A very simple and effective design. My fiance bought me the model second hand at a very reasonable price as it had some small glue marks on it, but nothing that really caught the eye. I have seen a special edition from Bachmann, in GCR green (goods livery) which is an extremly dark green, almost black, with lighter green and brown. Looks a real gem. I think they are very rare and very expensive though.
Bachmann did release this in GCR livery (I believe as a special release for the NRM) and it looked absolutely stunning! Interesting little thought that crossed my mind re pre-grouping goods locos, there seems to be a definite lean towards Scottish locos on that front: In the last few years we've had the NBR/LNER J36, the Caley 812 and the upcoming Rapido Highland Railway "Jones Goods"...
Also, just a fun little aside, years ago I read about the Highland expressing an interest in the ROD examples when they were being sold cheap at the end of the war, so a pair were sent north for trial. On arrival at Perth, the Highland's CME took one look at them and sent them straight back south again (they were utterly worn out from their war service). Off the back of this though, I have an example as a "what might have been" Highland ROD, in the post war Highland unlined green and sporting the number 150 and the name "Seaforth Highlander".
Hi Sam
It’s not a ‘seam line’ it’s a ‘split line’ where the mould tool halves come together. Wear in the tool causes misalignment.
Great review, as an LNER modeller, I might pick one up! What is the Hornby Liverpool Connection? I’ve never heard of it, based off the rating you gave though, it sounds like there’s a rough review coming up 🤣
Oh - a Tiny! Still sporting a Robinson chimney - many were replaced in LNER days by Gresley 'Flowerpots'. Love your GW example - Swindonised with a top-feed LOL! LNER 'oval' buffers??? These are GCR originals ;-). Re chassis - do you remember the mass recall of the original Pep A1s???
Good review Sam - just to say Hereford Models still have these in stock as a new model for under £100 each - I've bought 2 in the last 2 months. Real Bargain for the 31-001 and 002 versions.
I like your thinking! Always an option, and as you said there is a need for some caution.
Thank you! :D
Three of the ROD copies of this locomotive survive in Australia, one of which is at the Richmond Vale Railway Museum.
I have a mixed experience with the two Bachmann locos I got new prior to 2013. My first loco, an 0-6-0, still runs perfectly fine 13 years later and even survived a fall of a table. The 2nd, an F7 I got on sale for $25, started to run funny six years after I got it, especially at slow speeds. The motor was a cheap 3-pole motor that burnt out a few months later.
I have seen the preserved 8K/O4 Class, at the Great Central Railway in Loughborough, and I thought that it's a lovely locomotive, but I think it was just visiting as I saw it back at the NRM a few years later. I think it's a great locomotive.
Forget these old kettles Sam 😉 Get yourself a Cavalex 56 to appreciate good value and great features. I look forward to a review soon! 😊 Cheers, Dudley
Awesome video today beautiful modle I have started my ballest on my layout and found one of these for 90 pounds might have to get one
Thanks a lot James - that's very exciting, good luck with the rest of the project! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Chloe too.
Chloe says Hi!
GWR 2301 class (dean goods) is an obvious pre-grouping goods locomotive, which has been in model form for years, along with the 3031 class (Achiles). But then they're both Great Western, and some folks seem to discount them as pre-grouping! 😁
Ahh yeah for sure - would love to see another Dean release!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Yes, Bachman did release a Pre-grouping version of the LNER O4, it was ref.31-001Y, may have been Bachmann Collectors Club.
It was an NRM exclusive edition.
I love the Robinson 04s, probably because I was lucky enough to drive the remaining one many years ago at the GCR.
Both TMC & Kernow were selling them for £99 a few weeks ago. There may be some left in stocks.
I was tempted, but I've already got 3 examples...
I got mine from Kernow, looks great with a van rake
@philmarkham7477 I would have definitely bought one from Kernow at £99. But I think 4 04s would be a tad excessive!
Hello Sam and Chloe. That train looks very nice. Soon I'll get another train. Keep being nice my friend. Ur the best. Ur trains are awesome as always
Thanks a lot! Good luck with your new trains! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
[Continued],the Guage was 5'-6"ft/in ,and they did have a great deal of stack talk! See Nick Lera's videos on those engines in the Kyber Pass! Anyway,the GCR,is a pretty under-rated company and due for better coverage,and some of Sacre's engines were fascinating prototypes! Thank you 😇 😊! 😊
Great video
Rails of Sheffield were selling the LNWR version for 95 pounds last summer so I snapped one up. Just need a layout to run it on!
Short answer: yes. It’s an excellent model, and the alternative kits are nothing to shout about. With careful modifications can be turned into a very accurate model. For my part, I have three, albeit one was converted to O4/8 with a Hornby Thompson O1 boiler.
Thanks for sharing - appreciate the info!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
another great and informative video Sam. following the recent price increases by Hornby and other manufactures me and my dad have been buying second hand locomotives and having similar issues to motor failures and burnouts. my dad's wanting to do a 1950s - 60s era layout with steam and diesel locomotives and I was wondering what locomotives you could recommend?
Thanks very much Thomas - yeah second hand is a good way to go these days!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains do you have any videos on servicing locomotives I'm quite new to hobby and I don't really know how to service on my locos properly. and since most of them are at least from the early 80 - 90s it's quite hard to find youtubers with good quality videos like yours.
Hi Sam I don't think there was a odd one out this time, but I did see the LMS 8f, the 7f and the WD 2-8-0. Hopefully I got them all right.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Very well spotted on those! :D
Amazing video Sam plus is the model worth it or not cuz I'm just curious about it.
Thanks Dennis - yeah it's worth it for the right price, though bear in mind the mechanism isn't the best!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains You're welcome Sam and thanks for telling me
Over here in Australia we have a few 2-8-0 locomotives, my favorite is the K Class from the Victorian Railways.
Ahh cool thanks for sharing - I'll have to look that one up!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
you forget that 13 ROD's were bought by Browns for service on the Richmond Vale Railway. 3 remain, though none are in service - 1 by the RVRM at Richmond Main Colliery, cosmetically restored into ROD livery, and 2 at that great storage yard in Dorrigo
I read somewhere that the 2 loco's at Dorrigo were originally set aside for UK preservationists, but they were unable to raise the money to cover the shipping costs.@@Stanb662000
Good heavens, a steam engine! I didn’t know Bachmann make those anymore (judging by their most recent announcement video, anyway)
I have the G.W .R one and yep new motor in mine too.
Hi Sam, good video but I'd have liked to see a comparison to Hornby's Thompson O1 which is very similar as it's an updated version of the Robinson O4.
It has a similar level of detail and although it's all plastic weighs almost exactly the same at 333g. However it has a much better mechanism and no seam on the top.
With regards to price you can get Hornby O1s for £60-£100 second hand. I got a brand new one BR version for £75 from Kernows about 18 months ago.
If like me you're not too bothered if you get an O1 or O4 I think Hornby's effort is the better choice due to it's far better mechanism.
That's a good idea - the Thompson is a good one, much better mechanism at least!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, would you review the Cavalex Class 56? You’ve concentrated on quite a bit of value for money stuff recently, nothing wrong with that at all. But I’m really wanting you to give the Cavalex 56 the Sams trains treatment and see what you think of it. I have two, and frankly I think they could be a model of the year. They are properly brilliant.
These locos have loads of character! Great vid sam, really enjoyed.
Thanks my friend - glad you liked it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looking at your review the Robinson is better detailed than the 8F that Hornby are currently selling at £254. The only downside is the mechanism. I buy lots of secondhand and fix the broken ones. Some I buy though look like they have never been used.
Hi Sam I’m looking at adding an x-8-x loco to my layout.
Do you have any recommendations?
Thanks
I have the 31-003A in LNER black, number 6184. KI bought her around the GBP 120 mark as far as I can see, I have her since my beginnings in OO scale around 2020. Not a bad deal at the time, even if the drivetrain is clearly outdated, and on the scroogey side. In LNER 2-8-0, the Hornby O1 is far better, and I don't mention another LNER O you'll know for being beyond naff... This one is a good candidate for a retool. Just get a decent mechanism for her would be a nice thing. It surprises me that nobody sells aftermarket kits to improve such nice engines, like new axles with bearings, tender pickups, coreless motor like yours, with a flywheel for a good drive, and better tender-engine connection. That certainly would be a nice sale to do.
Ahh that sounds good Oliver! Yeah scroogey mechanism for sure - otherwise they are lovely!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam do you think you could take a visit and rereview the LNER green hornby b12 the newer one specifically?
Nice model, if I ran 00 scale I would definitely consider one. I like black goods engines, but I'm a continental HO railway modeller.
I always buy second hand and very old locomotives.
shortly before hattons vanished i managed to get a bachmann g2a and a hornby Q1 for 140USD. would have loved to grab the O4 but they were not available at the time :(
Looks a decent model to be honest so I don’t really see much wrong, managed to pick up a rake of bachmann bulleid coaches myself recently mainly to go with the southern locomotives that I have been picking up recently, mainly my Kernow bulleid diesel 10201.
Thanks David - yeah it's a nice enough loco overall! That sounds great - good find that :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’ll have to watch later, but I’m sure Sam, that these models may show up for decent prices on eBay. Thanks as always.
Thanks for sharing - yeah not bad prices second hand for these!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I like that model very much,
i was going to buy one at the doncaster show but it was more expensive than i thought so i bought a 2001 hornby 4F
PS: Have you done a review on a tri-ang jinty before, maybe 70 years old but they're still good (mine runs but the motors burned, i have a replacement for it so ill fix it up in the near future)
Bachmann have indeed produced the O4 (or 8K in GCR speak) in GCR livery, it was a collectors club exclusive. They go for silly money on the 'bay.
Yeah I found that more recently - pity they didn't do a general release!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam i would like to request a running session consists beginning with C&R 828 behind it would be the GWR dean goods followed by ten custard and choclate coaches and to end the consits 3 toad brake vans and a Hornby terrire any one
The Bachmann 04 may look old but it is still a pretty good looking model Sam. The only thing I can say about the 04 model is that it is decent which is all I can say.
Yeah I think so too - it sure is a good looking model isn't it!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The double weight on the tender and its wiring to the loco show that the tender pickups were at least planned. It seems they work not by adding but subtracting: "It's got eight driving wheels, it shouldn't cut off on the points, so why put other pics?"
Not sure if you were right about there only being one preserved. There's definitely only one in Britain, but some of the ex ROD engines ended up in Australia, and at least one is preserved there.
Yeah I was only referring to the LNER O1s, other ROD ones most likely exist!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
How about an instructional video showing how to replace the motor with a coreless?
Hey Sam, guess who was performing in his band today.
You should review a calavex class 56
Wasn't there two gcr rods in Australia?
It’s great that there is a sole survivor of this engine. I don’t understand why more were preserved, considering how many were built.
Probably all got sent to scrap yards that were quick to cut them up.
Two or three of the very similar ROD version are preserved in Australia.
These were purchased in the twenties to be used on the extensive Richmond Vale private coal hauling railway.
Searching Richmond Vale Railway should show some in use in the early seventies. Sam not allowing UA-cam links otherwise I would supply a link.
There are also three of these in poor condition in Australia.
Wasn't this the one you ran under water? Was that what happened to the motor?
Detail is great for the period. Motor sounds like a bit of a roll of the dice. If I was interested I’d want to be confident I could change the motor
Yeah absolutely - amazing when you think how far it dates back... just the mech that's not good!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam could you review a nr class Australian Diesel locomotive
This LNER engine is so cool
Thanks Justin :D
@SamsTrains Have you seen Rapido’s new 25T flatcars? Perhaps it’s time to upgrade Bullman so he stops derailing (Bullman 2.0?).
~~Maybe upgrade the Coca Cola wagon while you’re at it? If you haven’t already burned it at the stake?~~
I got one in early br black for Christmas
Ahh excellent - good present! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ref:Robinson survivors,Class 8K or ROD! There were 3 engines exported to Australia,current status unknown! Also there were Broad Guage derivatives,run on Indian Railways,and Pakistan Railways,some surviving into the 1990's! The
actually 13, 3 remain
Not sure they were ever worth buying, but they do look nice!
They sure do!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This engine is based for Geoffrey in the Trainz Simulator of Thomas & Friends.
I’d give the mechanism 1-1/2 stars. It does have a separate keeper plate with wipers, so it can be serviced and cleaned when needed. That’s worth at least one star. And (going by the G.C.R model) if you look at the worm gear on it, you’ll notice that the middle is thinner than the ends to leave clearance for the spur gear; this is top quality (plastic) machining! That gives it another half of a star. 🌟😆 But, yeah, it’s sad to see Bachmann didn’t even make rounded slots for the axles, nor proper bearings, nor pickups on the tender wheels. 😢 Definitely don’t pay more than 125 £ for this.
Oh, yeah, and I forgot: the keeper plate is held on with screws, not plastic clips that’ll break. Another half a star. 😌
You often criticise older Bachmann models for not having a very good mechanism, no proper bearings etc., and yet they seem to run very well, or at least all of mine do. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and if a loco runs very well and consistently over a long time, then surely that suggests the mechanism is good. When Airfix entered the model railway market with the 14XX tank and the 61XX, everyone thought "Wow, they've put in a 5 pole motor" as though that would automatically make them good runners. In reality, a well designed chassis with a 3pole motor will run far better than those Airfix models ever did. Also, is it a problem that a 2-8-0 has no pick-ups on the tender, if it's already got 8 wheel pick-up? My 04 never stops or stutters going over pointwork.
Fact: Their was an LMS Fowler class 7F 0-8-0 steam locomotive, and their is *NO* official HO scale model for it. I think Bachmann or Hornby should get to work on it.
Also, I will continue to wait patiently for OO9 scale reviews. Their are good Bachmann models in OO9 scale.
Ahh interesting - I bet someone will do one day! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Geoffrey?
Prefer the new release reviews personally. Used or new old stock will always have issues.
No axle bearings! The fact that they have square cutouts for the round axles makes me wonder if the original plan was to fit square bearing as seen in Walthers and Athearn and other better quality locos, and someone just cheaped-out at the last minute. That's inexcusable.
Hi sam
Hey Alex
there is my request
A nice Loco 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Maybe around £120 would sound reasonable? Certainly below £150
Sam this may be a daft question. How do English names work? There are lots of people with names like Samuel or Chloe in the UK, so how do you people address another person without causing confusion? Where I'm from every name is uniquely made up of 2 to 4 Chinese characters, chances of having the same name is very small. I've been wondering this for a while now.
Cool
Thanks Alex!
arbitrary nonsequitor:
Speaking of historic classics,
dose Mr. Sam's trains remember very first locomotive he ever liked? if so which ones?
Locomotive so sturdy that it lived through both World Wars? now THAT is impressive, disheartening that only one survives - i think i'd blame the "oh but its common, we needn't bother saving that one" mentality that led to many fantastic devices, machines and works (yes even books and scripts were lost to such things, often combined with miscommunication) being forgotten.
I was going to say that i am glad its a trooper surviving eyars but than the engine transplant and the new old stock situations were revealed. damn shame it is so strenuous - i would assume the friction by itself should not be problem if the motor was picked just that bit more powerfull to compensate for the loss. My suspicion is that there WERE some bearings originally and for that iteration the engine was fine, than someone cut the costs and few corners without telling any engineers and welp there you go engines are dying. (Maybe cousin of El Cheap who made it into executive branch or something)
Somehow the interior is noticably fuzzy. so is there a cat shedding or was locomotive just stored in some protective wool?
Right aside for all that i reckon that is a good plan - gems from second hand market should be a good segment of the show, at least for those actively pursuing the hobby (i am here just for the Bowman and occasionaly silly experiements mostly but i do enjoy Mr. Sam's trains growth into strange and unexpected segments of the hobby, like building his own fleet of engines and stock.
British consolidations are always really strange looking to me considering how industrial they generally are
haha yeah - they do stand out from our other locos!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam will you review the TT HST? :)
Here's what I think will happen to the model train industry. The makers will only put out very expensive pieces. I see this happening in O gauge. No different than what has happened to the prices of concert tickets. Only the rich will be able to afford entertainment and or hobbies. Period.
How can it be 50 years old if it was released in 2010?
Prob back then just came back
He said 15 no ?
@@onedimensionaldave8147 he sayd 2 times in a row 50 then on the rird one he sayd 15.
Sam, you used to tell me you believe the penguin cake was from M&S, will you get sued for calling them 'some sick place'? 😆
haha maybe! I'll await the letter!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
sam wait
It's just a better ROD 2-8-0
Hmmmyes Quite
If I may make a suggestion, how about the bachmann ivatt 2mt mogul? Can be had for 70-80 quid on eBay, which is a fair bit of change from the Hornby riddles 2mt
Just got rid of mine for 60 on ebay someone got a bargain than
Was the hattons exclusive aswel
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