The Evolution of The Space Station! (Salyut to Tiangong)
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Russia put up the ISS to replace their MIR, America cannot put up a space station still. Only Russia and China can.
Apollo was not canceled during skylabs existence. They launched 2 more missions after Apollo Soyuz. Eventually you're going to have to accept that Apollo was nothing more than their first attempt to create a space station in lower authorbit. They never went to the moon and they still cannot. Russia and China never went or tried to. But they will always say they will to bankrupt America into trying. And Artemis is bankrupting America. And failing miserably. america still cannot put up a space station.
I really wonder how SpaceX will design a payload door to get 8 meter diameter modules out of Starship and then reuse Starship. This will be exciting to see! Thanks for this nice video!
SpaceX will outfit a Ship as a unimodular (one piece) space station like Skylab was in the 1970s. The nosecone and payload bay of the Ship has about 1100 cubic meters of pressurized volume. The ISS has 916 cubic meters. Skylab had about 350 cubic meters.
ISS is a multimodular (many pieces) space station that took thirteen years (1998-2011) to deploy to LEO and cost over $100B in today's money for the modules and for the cost of Space Shuttle flights for the deployment.
That unimodular Starship space station will reach its operating orbit in less than 90 minutes and will cost less than $5B.
@@rays2506 Starship can carry more than enough materials and tools to make use of the fuel tanks as usable space. Assuming you flat pack everything.
At least that's what I would do.
@@rays2506 There is a planned space station called Starlab from Airbus. It has that 8 meter diameter and is designed to be launched with Starship. So I guess we will see some kind of payload door on Starship for that.
A company called Vast is also designing a single module, Starship launched space station.
Hint; they won’t lol
Imagine being in a history class in the future on the Moon or Mars learning about the history of spaceflight. They’ll see things like the ISS the way we see Plymouth or Jamestown in the 1600s!
Exactly👍🏻
A few factual errors on Skylab and ISS. There were three Saturn Vs left over from Apollo, and they used one, leaving two functioning Saturn Vs as museum pieces. The Apollo spacecraft did not provide power to the space station. Don't know why you showed a Gemini launch while talking about Salyut. Zayra only provided live support at the early phase of assembly and is now primarily used for storage, both inside the pressurized section and in the externally mounted fuel tanks. You also completely omitted Canada as a partner to ISS. You were bang on about your critique of the shuttle.
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I wonder if the Apollo Telescope Mount is being confused with an Apollo spacecraft?
As far as I know, Zarya still provides life support for the Russian segment only. NASA's ECLSS doesn't provide service to both segments.
Summary
OPS-0855 🇺🇸 (Experimental/Uncrewed) (1966 - 1967)
Salyut 1 🇷🇺 (1971 - 1971)
DOS-2 🇷🇺 (Failed to reach orbit) (1972 - 1972)
Salyut 2 🇷🇺 (Uncrewed) (1973 - 1973)
Kosmos 557 🇷🇺 (Uncrewed) (1973 - 1973)
Skylab 🇺🇸 (1973 - 1979)
Salyut 3 🇷🇺 (1974 - 1975)
Salyut 4 🇷🇺 (1974 - 1977)
Salyut 5 🇷🇺 (1976 - 1977)
Salyut 6 🇷🇺 (1977 - 1982)
Salyut 7 🇷🇺 (1982 - 1991)
Mir 🇷🇺 (1986 - 2001)
ISS (1998 - Present) 🗺️🇺🇸🇨🇦🇷🇺🇪🇺🇯🇵
Genesis I 🇺🇸 (Experimental/Uncrewed) (2006 - Present)
Genesis II 🇺🇸 (Experimental/Uncrewed) (2007 - Present)
Tiangong-1 🇨🇳 (2011 - 2018)
Tiangong-2 🇨🇳 (2016 - 2019)
Tiangong Space Station 🇨🇳 (2021 - Present)
Haven-1 🇺🇸 (2025)
Axiom Station 🇺🇸 (2025)
Lunar Gateway 🇺🇸🇪🇺🇨🇦🇯🇵 (2025)
LIFE Habitat Pathfinder 🇺🇸 (2026)
ROSS 🇷🇺 (2027)
Starlab Space Station 🇺🇸🇳🇱 (2027)
Orbital Reef Station 🇺🇸 (Late 2020s, most likely 2029)
Lunar Orbital Station 🇷🇺 (2030s)
Northrop Grumman Station 🇺🇸 (2030s)
Bharatiya Antariksha Station 🇮🇳 (2035)
Nice!
Pioneer 🇺🇲 (honestly, probably never, but they talk about 2040)
Voyager Station 🗿
most of the future stations in the list are unlikely to happen, i think only one USA station and one indian station out of the list is possible
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Not rlly most of them have the funding to do so and with the private sector growing and space tourism and corporations looking to rent it out for commercial use it will probably make all these companies a profit.
What about Sputnik?
1970s/1980s: Salyut stations and Skylab
1980s/90s/2000s: Mir
2000s to 2030s: ISS
2020s/2030s and onwards: Tiangong, Russian Station, Indian Station, Lunar Gateway, DST, and many more private space stations
I am surprised you did not mention the primary purpose of the space stations. Interplanetary travel. We needed to see what happens long term to us in space, and eventually we will have to assemble a space ship too big to launch from the ground
Great video! True Earth 101: History of the Globe Deception
4:49 This map is inaccurate in many reasons. Far East of RSFSR is lost. And many other countries of the USSR are lost.
SpaceX's Starship is thrilling - picture the enormous space station it could ferry in a single trip. Its payload capacity will be already three times that of the entire China Tiangong space station.
Please pause…Starship is still a design in progress.
…but 100 tons is also out of this world…pun intended.
When starship succeeds it will make anything china makes look like child's play and completely outshine chinas space station , Sorry chinese boy
@@Zeitgeist_66 Nevertheless, Starship is still on course for operation. The key here is, just a few years ago, skeptics doubted Falcon 9, yet it exceeded all expectations and became the most reliable & frequently launch rocket today . That's the SpaceX way.
I'm surprised that you mentioned Columbia, but not the Challenger disaster in 1986 when referencing the Space Shuttles contributing to the ISS construction.
Challenger had nothing to do with ISS construction.
Please lord help me live long enough to see a future space station that has a gravitational ring. Or a module that attached to a long arm can speed up in rotation at night when the astronauts sleep or during the day when they workout!!
Congrats, great episode!
The Soviet Union map is inaccurate. It is missing a lot of countries.
Can it be, an unbiased western channel? So glad I found you!
Unbiased? Most of the commentary from this channel is historically in-accurate, even down to the footage and facts... This is the opposite of un-biased, it's extremely biased lmfao!!!
These kind of comments are my favorite.
Always good for a good laugh.
Thanks!
Cheers!
Skylab didn't perish because the space shuttle wasn't ready in time, it did because NASA grossly overestimated it's re-entry time (1984 if I remember correctly, after the space shuttle in any case). They were even warned of it's actual re-entry time but they ignored it. I think they even had already contracted the construction of the device that would be used for the boost.
2:40 i find it funny when talking about sky lab you show an image of Black arrows gamma engines
The entire ISS is 151billion dollars wonder what they’ll do in 2030 because that’d be a super expensive loss to deorbit
Smaller cheaper, with inflated modules , and more of them ?
love the info!!!
Weird that you didn't mention that Salyut 7 was actualy the first modual space station, since you clearly showed it in it's two-module form in the graphic. Salyut 7 was expanded with a Functional Cargo Block -based module in 1985. The Functioning Cargo Block was also the basis of many future modules on Mir and the ISS. Mir was the first station that was designed from the get-go to be modular, but Salyut 7 was the first to proove it can be done.
The narrator has a good voice. I would suggest to him to go once in a while with the explorer of Abandoned and Forgotten Places like Batman and Robin.
Another great video
10:00 "It has a lot more in common with a submarine than the starship Enterprise...", I generally found it funny since the Russians own the largest submarine(s) in the world (specifically the Typhoon class) and laid foundations for the biggest Space Station. And 14:07, if any combat vessels were to be designed for space warfare, that submarine feeling will only continue to stick, that is, of course, only until spaceships can be built in space, like naval vessels are being built in dry docks down on Earth.
thank you for your great presentation!!! but please could you get rid of the visual glitches for cut-sceens, there's absolutly no value in it and it's pretty distractive. thank you!
A nuclear powered submarine in space sounds like a great idea!
What to do with torpedoes?
@vicariousadventurer,
Wait for the 👽, to show we are not defenceless! 🚀🏴☠️
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Does Tiangong really look that different? Lots of ISS modules (especially the NASA section) looked pretty clean and orderly when they were first launched but after years of use and the addition of new equipment and experiments it has gotten quite crowded. Maybe the Chinese space station will look like this after a while.
When it came to Space ,the Soviets were something else
Definitely true, but it was also at the expense of nearly everything else within the USSR.
The space race and its economic requirements (and the socialist Soviets’ inability to generate enough national wealth under their system to sustain it all) was a huge contributor to what ended the Cold War and brought about the 1990s - hands-down the greatest decade in modern history.
The first 5-8 years of the 21st century were ok, but quickly started going downhill from there. There have been times since then where the death spiral was slowed down, but things have gone exponentially negative over the past 3-4 years.
Would be nice to see a return of the vigor that made the Reagan era and the 90s as great as they were, and to see that translated into a renewed version of the space race with all the potential of greater space investment that would come with it.
@@Based_Is_Best Had the Soviets gone back to Lenin's New Economic Policy and not Stalin's retarded centralization and hardcore communism, the Soviet Union would have beaten the West in virtually every metric . Their lack of a consumer economy was their undoing.
If you look at China today, their economic and political systems are what Lenin had in mind and you can see how fast they have caught up and even surpassed the West in some sectors once Deng Xiaoping reformed China's economic system
@@stevemwangi7135 Lenin’s ideas were the product of a newly-burgeoning Industrial Revolution - not sure how well they’d work in the modern world against non-crony capitalism (which, admittedly and sadly, is hard to come by).
The more decentralized an economy and social structures are the more innovative it is.
Will be interesting to see if the CCP’s economic structure has the foundation to withstand all the troubles it’s been experiencing.
Hence, the reason for the rash of anti-Russian tropes; the Soviets remained quiet and garnered the advantage that's still unknown to many in the West who broadcast every development ignorant of its contributions to dissolution .. .
calling the ISS a MIR 2.0 is exactly the right historic perspectiv, imo!! although we're at maybe 5.0 now... i realy realy hope, that we're getting back to those 'startrek-vibes', a collaboration of mankind thriving for peace (what the russian word 'mir' actually stands for) and prosperity... not sure if america and china can agree, make a handshake for all of us and not going into another competition...
I think there should be a floating station in Venus's atmosphere. Venus has a magnetic field to protect from cosmic rays and other space radiation, plus Venus has a gravity closer to Earth's. The ground of Venus might be the closest thing we can think of as Hell, but the clouds of Venus might be one of the best places to put a scientific station to study our solar system and our sister planet Venus.
And the advantage of a floating station, vs. an orbiting one, is that the scientists will experience full gravity the entire time. Making it much less dangerous for their health.
@@zaffora It's an exciting concept, but there is the tricky aspect of getting people on and off this station in the clouds. There aren't currently SSTO's or rockets that can reasonably stay suspended in the atmosphere with the crew
Zeppelin tech ! Will float much better in the thick Venus atmosphere. Was a mistake to bann these from our sky. It did show how dangerous hydrogen is, but helium is OK. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
@@joldsaway3489 The density of Venus's atmosphere at ground level is about 90x denser than Earth's, but about 30 miles above the ground, the pressure and temp is the same as earth's at ground level. So all you would need is an airtight ship with that average density and the entire structure would float in the atmosphere without the need of powered flight, like a balloon. You would only need rockets to leave the atmosphere and return home in an orbiting support ship.
The 90s was hands-down the best decade in modern history
Hahaha no.
@@chepushila1 No? Why not?
Which decade in the past 100 years or so was better and why/how?
16 Tonnes and wadda ya get?
This is Asum one night i was waching the news at 11oclock he said to go outside an look up an you can see theiss soi did i was in Jacsonville it lookd like a big H that was kool
I thought Blue Origin backed out of the Orbital Reef project?
Good overview but Svezda douse not provide any life support today.
I've heard many times how amazing the qualities of the Saturn V rocket were and how we can't lift things without that capacity. If we're talking 1960's technology, why don't we just duplicate that exact rocket? I mean, we could improve some things, I'm sure, but why not just build the Saturn V again?
Probably cost. SpaceX Starship is twice as powerful as a Saturn V, and re-usable. Every single piece of the Saturn V rocket itself was thrown away at some point in the journey, except for a very tiny capsule that brought the crew back. But the entire Starship is fully reusable, so cost savings will be huge. Imagine how expensive plan tickets would be if you had to throw away the entire plane after each flight, and get a new one for the next flight. That's the situation with Saturn V: You throw it all away, and build a new one each time you want to fly. The cost of doing that makes Saturn V unviable these days.
SaturnV was the most complex machine ever built on this planet. And a lot of it was hand made. But it only happened because of 'Sputnik' shock, and thru that, unlimited funding. Built by captured ex-nazi's from WWII, the crazy americans couldnt get rid of it fast enough after beating Russia by landing on the moon. Even though there are two left in museums, its as good as impossible to re-build another SaturnV. Besides, there was also the Saturn-IIb, for crew missions to LEO. Also lost.... 🚀🏴☠️🎸
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lxdoes 🚀 🏴☠️ 🎸 mean “space-pirate rock”?
I always wonder, when its a race does all the parties agree that they are in a race or does one party runs off thinking the others are racing with them?
If you don't realize there is a race you have already lost.
Clearly you haven't heard of BO and others trying to pull out of the space station effort.
What about kerbal space program
The map at 4:49 is very erroneous, showing USSR without Baltic Republics, Ukraine and Byelorussia
4:48 wtf is this science fiction map. It do not even confine to any configuration of Russian Empire borders, let alone Soviet Union.
NASA had three, not one, Saturn V in the end of Apollo. Many other things wrong in this video, the first one I didn't like.
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7:16 Reagan directed America to build an American space station, period. He was willing to accept international partners, from NATO, and other allies. But it was clear it was going to be an American and only American space station.
Reagan was so awesome
Need another Reagan-like era - so good, so epic
hot/ but kind of not hot take starship is space shuttle v 2.0
Things just keep getting more expensive, especially when you don't use the bargain version
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They died under the Karmen line, they did not die in space.
The remains fell from space and burned up in the atmosphere, free to pursue a life of religious fulfillment.
4:48 That is a map of Russian Federation not USSR
"How do you keep score in a space race?" You simply don't. There is no space race and if there was it's a race to nothing.
Outer Space is a hostile environment that gives you nothing.
Firstly, humans do not belong in space. As soon as they arrive they begin to deteriorate almost at the same rate than if you were confined to bed. Each day you lose a bit of fitness
Send in the robots I say!
Secondly, there's nothing to do, nothing to create, just nothing!
NASA trumpets loudly that the ISS has been continually occupied for twenty five years. You know what? That's all they have achieved, nothing else. No wonder drugs, no wonder technology, no discoveries, nothing!
You see these poor astronauts when they return to Earth, even after a short trip and they have to be supported by stretchers and wheel chairs because their fitness has deteriorated to the point they can't stand by themselves. This is something to be strived for? I don't think so.
The race is a political race to see who's better. At what I don't know. It's just a nonsense.
Lastly, there is the extreme cost to set up these stations and then the ongoing costs. There are better things to spend money on Earth than this folly.
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I really don't understand how the Russians are supposedly the ones who laid the groundwork for it all when the US did it first try and moved on from it because we already KNEW how to build and put a station into orbit, but we needed a system to safely and effectively deliver and build the station, aka the Space Shuttle. Without the Space Shuttle there truly is no International Space Station. Roscosmos had the means to launch modules into orbit, but they would not have had the capacity of the systems to actually build the ISS themselves while the US absolutely could have pulled it off without the Russians. Now that's not to shit on the collaborative effort, but it's really annoying coming to watch these videos and every time there is a disingenuous attempt at shitting on NASA's hard work.
NASA, ESA, and CSA could have built the ISS without the Russian's based purely on resources, not the other way around. Russia is incredible, but seriously trying to say that Russia laid the foundational work of space stations disregards a lot of key points..
Spot on
Mir was built without the Space Shuttle and most of the Russian portion of the ISS as well. What are you talking about the Space Shuttle was pretty much a failed technology.
Plus Russia had the experience in long-term space habitation.
I don't doubt that US could have built a space station, but it would cost far more without the Mir expertise.
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NASA had more than one excess Saturn V. Congress was just too cheap to fly them. They ended up as "lawn ornaments" in Florida and Houston, and the other totally flight-worthy Skylab was given to the Smithsonian. The Russians would never be so stupid with already manufactured hardware. The Apollo Command Module did NOT provide power to Skylab. It had solar panels on the main body and a dedicated array of four panels attached to the Apollo Telescope Mount, which originally was designed to fly freely attached to a converted Lunar Module Ascent Stage.
The Americans were not good at creating a program that was supported over several administrations. Since the USSR was incapable of leaving Earth orbit, they had no choice but to concentrate on LEO. The Clinton decision to make the ISS an international program, (largely to prevent Former Soviet Rocket scientists from defecting to N. Korea, Iran, etc), he inadvertantly created a mechanism to insure that the ISS program maintained support when other Presidential administrations. We were forced by Treaty obligations to continue supporting the ISS.
I am fascinated by the Japanese section of the ISS. It is almost a space station unto itself. It puts the EU contribution to shame.
No matter what China does, when Starship becomes operational, the West will leapfrog them because of the shear volume and mass that it will be able to lift to LEO. The interior WILL be more like Star Trek.
The Chinese Station is a lot like their country. It places APPEARANCES above SUBSTANCE. I am very skeptical about its lifespan and all those wonderful panels that give it such a "clean" appearance will make it very difficult to clean, repair, and detect leaks. All you need is a wiring or power module fire behind one of those panels.
China is next India the oldest culture on the planet. You can bet, they learned to think before doing something. If they think they need their own Starship, then it will fly, and faster than the original. One and half years already lost on waiting for start licence. That thing could long be in service. I'm sure China will prove this. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
I don't think we need a completely new station. We need to slowly upgrade ISS with updated modules. We have a great backbone we just need to remodel the place.
This is simply not possible, safe, or economical. The ISS at its heart is running on a nearly 4 decade old system. It is incredibly obsolete. It's also incredibly dangerous. The station has many leaks and over the years has required more, and more, and more, and more, and more maintenance and money that NASA or the international community itself is willing to spend anymore on it when they could take that money and build a new and MODERN space station that builds off all the hard work and knowledge we have learned over the last few decades of the ISS program. Also, we HAVE been slowly upgrading the ISS... But it's reached a point where it is no longer viable both financially and practically.
Remodeling the ISS like this would be like taking an old 1950s warship and renovating the whole platform. It would be unbelievable costly and wasteful, and it even then it would NEVER reach the level of a modern system built from the ground up.
It's cheaper to just build a new station from scratch
The chinese space station looks neat, new and...empty 😏
It has 3 people on it, what are you talking about?
@@chepushila1 I mean where are the experiments, equipment, goods for the crew?
We could build 19 Space stations. But instead, we gave that money to Ukraine.
Well, we forced them into that war. Now its only fair to pay them to sustain that war. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
That war is Hitler vs Satan. I don't give a fk who wins or loses. @@MichaelWinter-ss6lx
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lxForced them into the war? You must be back on the pipe. That was Putin.
"After ticking all those boxes the natural next step was living in space."
No it wasn't? The natural next step was to reduce the cost of getting into orbit. This is what NASA wanted to do, what NASA tried to do, what every expert at the time and in prior decades thought was the next big tick box, and what NASA would have done - if Congress hadn't refused funding, and the USAF sabotaged the project via absurd payload and cross range requirements.
I appreciate you want to talk about space stations, but we're currently four decades behind where we should be in space terms (including space stations) because NASA failed at this task, and lied to everyone about it for 40 years. Could you please not repeat the lie.
China is 60 years late on the space race.
3:47 "An unused Apollo Command and Service module was docked at the far end to provide power to the station." What????? The station had solar panels for that and it was not unused. The Apollo capsule launched by Saturn 1B's was used to shuttle up station crew. You lost all credibility with such a glaring error. 4:56 Video of a Titan/Gemini launch and Ed White space walk not Salyut 3. 7:47 ISS is not a Mir 2.0 with the exception of the Russian section. The reason the space stations are modules is do to launch vehicle capacity. 10:16 More nonsense. The Chinese station is new with little going on. ISS is a working station with dozens of experiments in progress at any one time. The modules on ISS looked just as clean and uncluttered upon arrival too. You are way to caught up with superficial appearances. The Russian heritage is very clear in the Chinese design. Inflatable modules and Starship lifting economics will be the future of space stations as you mentioned.
Russia did not have any space shuttles like USA had.
It actually did, but then the funding ended. Buran was fully functional and even did a remote controlled flight into space.
In Russia created the definition of trying to hard 1:45
Besides communication and images , what benefits has or will be in the future ? To me space exploration is like getting married there's nothing else to do with your life ? Looks like a waste of time and money !
Material studies and medical studies
Sea Dragon rocket can lunch space station one go cost low
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Are we sure that Chinas station is even in space? It wouldn't be unlike them to just fake the whole thing.
How long you keep denying fact just because you don't like China grow up dude you can easily track that space station with average telescope and it's just fact and I hate ccp more than you
Yeah, we can see it. You can too with some binoculars or a telescope. It isn't small.
Are you that dumb?