Foundation: Fall of The Mule
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- The Mule, a power mentalic mutant from the planet Gaia, used his power to establish his empire incrementally. He obtains the military power of the Kingdom Kalgan by mentally altering the warlord ruler of the planet. The Mule's conquest in incredibly fast. He manages to defeat the foundation and Establish the “Union of Planets” his own Galactic Empire, of which he was the first citizen. The Mules empire would ultimately prove to be short-lived, however. Suddenly he stays his advance and goes into solitude. Secretly he fears the mysterious Second Foundation who are rumored to have the ability to defeat those with mentalic abilities such as his.
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The Mule was almost a prototype for Paul Atreides in the Dune series. He is able to conquer much of the galaxy thanks to paranormal abilities that enabled him to subvert existing military forces to his own use and break the power of technocratic commercial hegemony that was otherwise the dominant power in the galaxy. Like Paul, his rule was brief and ultimately folded back into the long-terms plans of a mastermind who could also see the future (Hari Seldon, from beyond the grave and, secretly, Daneel).
Except the whole psycho-historian line was a bit of a scam or quackery if you will. PA was for real in a fictional sense.
Though it did not say, this flaw would eventually lead to the collapse of anything built with the scam.
Asimov was not much more than a dyed in the wool collectivist when it came to forecasting.
Rhose68 - There was no scam. Psychohistory runs on the principle that history tends to follow mathematically-predictable trends. Prescience is more soft science fiction, since it is based on the notion of the human brain being able to perceive higher order dimensions that include ones that allow backward and forward viewing of time. Interestingly, both of them had a similar vulnerability to individuals with special powers. In Foundation, the Mule could disrupt the Seldon Plan because he could empathically control the actions of large numbers of people and thus invalidate psychohistorical calculations. In Dune, prescient vision could be obscured by others possessing prescience, by people like Siona who were genetically immune to prescience and by no-technology.
But Herbert was just as much of a collectivist as Asimov. This is why, for example, the Imperium was able to go for *10,000 years* without *anybody* defying the dictates of the Butlerian Jihad and developing computerized space navigation. Even with Leto II deliberately pushing them to do so, it took another 3,500 years to make it actually happen! The general population of the Dune universe tends to do whatever their ruling class decrees, even across thousands of years. Sounds pretty collectivist to me.
Collectivism runs deep in the large majority of sci-fi unfortunately, looking at you Roddenberry . It is in large part why it is not to be trusted. We have our individualists but that requires less lazy writing.
No the entire point of it was only the perception and belief of the plan was needed, the god factor if you will, unintended though it may have been.
The Second Foundation is the tyrant behind all
Collectivism is a writer's shortcut to avoid having to do elaborate world-building. For example, despite decades worth of TV series and movies, we know very little about *civilian* life in the Federation on Star Trek. Any society would look communist if you only focused on the military. Asimov and Herbert wanted to have millennia-old empires but didn't want to have to go into much detail about how they worked, so they simply declared that they were unchanging social systems.
But it is interesting that you raise the issue of perception and belief. Paul and Leto II were *not* divine in *any* way. They were simply humans possessed of paranormal abilities. The religions built around them were a scam. The means to counter their powers existed. During Paul's time the Bene Gesserit were the equivalent of the Second Foundation. Then Leto II usurped them and took on that role himself. But even with his monstrous prescience, he was still gambling on the future. Because a crucial part of the Golden Path required that he encourage the development of means to neutralize his own prescience, meaning that he could not clearly see the future after the Scattering because of Siona's genetic legacy and the widespread adoption of no-ships. So, the "God-Emperor" was never really a god at all.
Well we might know the difference between militaristic and communistic given our experiences, though the distinction is minor if you are on the wrong side of either.
Ditto its just lazy as it would require at least SOME reflection on why life is the way it is shown rather than the grandiose leap of faith that is the collective. I wont read the drivel any longer.
As for Dune it makes a scam of everything it is its worst flaw.
The Mule has always been a symbol of hope for me. Even though he was evil, he shows the individual is still important and can make a difference in the Universe, which contradicts Hari Seldon's view that people are controlled by macro events and that the actions of one person do not matter.
I prefer that the Mule male or female is able to resist 2nd Foundation's FS and instead makes a voluntary choice. His goal, to speed up the Seldon Plan and reestablish a Galatic Empire, had a laudable side, to avoid the suffering Seldon's long process would require and the elitist control of the Galaxy by the privileged First Foundation. He (or she) could have been made to see without compulsion that that new Empire couldn't last since it was based solely on the Mule's control and there'd be no Mule dynasty to hold it together. Finally I'd have it that the First Speaker is none other than the supposedly weak-willed and feeble Emperor Dagobert, last emperor on Trantor and heir to the few remaining worlds of the crumbled Empire who has managed to use his metallic power to conceal his true nature from the Mule while winning the Mule's somewhat patronizing affection while being used as symbolic Emperor.
Never really seen the Mule as evil, more tortured and embittered but capable of love, kindness, friendship.
interesting, I'll think that thru
@@regertz he did shown all that to bayta yes
@W wrf is wrong with you that you can’t read that this character had a clear binary choice. I thought that in 1988 you freak!
I will say honestly, I was shocked when the Mule was revealed. Speaks to the genius of Asimov that he got past me like that. That was 30 years ago and my ego has still not recovered!
Years later when the popular Darth Jar Jar fan theory came about, proclaiming that Lucas had intended Jar Jar Binks to be the great Sith Lord behind the scenes pulling all the strings, the first thing I thought was that Lucas could have been inspired by Magnifico/the Mule, same as he was for making Coruscant like Trantor, and using a Galactic Empire, among other ideas inspired by Foundation. The antagonist hiding in plain sight, playing the fool.
@@FrenchCelt We are on the same page. I hated the character of Binks for many reasons which it is not helpful to broach now. My brother and I, in a vengeful thought experiment, had the same idea as Lucas but subtly crushed it when we realised that it was a Mule/Magnifico redux. But it would have been great if Lucas had followed it through.
It's weird when I was reading I was suspecting magnifico to be the mule
@@morpheus394 Well done because it was a total shock to me: prejudice against clowns might have something to do with it.
@@Hellserch The problem in _The Phantom Menace_ was that none of the characters really liked each other.
It was a surprise in _Foundation and Empire_ that Magnifico was the Mule, since you wouldn't expect a dictator to go behind enemy lines to manipulate events and then go on what seemed like a foolish expedition to Trantor to find records of the Second Foundation.
Always a real treat to get videos from the mighty Quinn. The foundation series is a wicked set and to think these books were written way back. Thank you sir.
So true. Much of sci-fi today owe a great debt to Asimov. Thanks for the comment.
Kind of a kwizatz haderach, but with much less finesse.
Nice vid but too short to accurately describe the Mule's importance in the series. I hope a longer one is planned. The Mule was important because he exposed a fatal flaw in Seldon's Plan, a mutation, something Hari's Math would not include, which was pointed out in Foundation and Earth.
I noticed there is another video in this series about the rise of the Mule; this one is about his fall.
The center piece character & the most exciting segment of the trilogy.
The foundation series is probably my favorite sci-fi series with the Ender's game series. There is a plan to have it as a tv show like GOT. If done right it would be pretty popular. There is no way to do it justice in a movie or set of movies. And I love how so many of Asimov's work finds unity at the end of this series. I wonder if the would do the 2 prequels first though?
If that's the case, then someone really needs to spruce up that Wikipedia entry for the series.
There are actually 14-16 books related to the Foundation, being: 7 Foundation books, the Empire Trilogy, the 4 Robots Books where R. Daneel comes from and I would mention as well the short stories from I, Robot/Robot Dreams & Visions/The Complete Robot and finally Eternity’s End, in which they mention the Foundation reality/timeline as the definitive one, thus being kind of a prequel to all books.
not mcuh of asimov work got well in movies 1, robot really sucked and not a trace of asimove was in it. on the other hand bicentanial man was very good and did gave a yes this is asimov vibe. if they do a foundation series i hope they do it well but i fear of what i find of the casting on google so far. harding cast of female. eto demercel who is daneel also as female, two characters who clearly are male as any asimov fan knows. dont get me wrong i have nothing against females in sf at all but dont turn male characters into female just to add more female in a series or movie
I see your comment is 5 years old, curious how you feel about the Foundation series we ended up getting?
The mule looks like a kid that went to my school. He's probably conquered a quarter of the galaxy by now.
I really enjoy your material, both the videos about Dune as well as the Foundation series. But one small thing - the Mule’s capital planet was Kalgan. Not Klagon...
Asimov created the Jedi mind trick.
Where do you think Lucas got ALL "his" ideas.
@@Ingens_Scherz Dune, Foundation, and The Qur'an.
Darth Jar Jar
@@Ingens_Scherz - You mean not unlike how Herbert is worshiped even though all he really did was Lawrence of Arabia on Mars?
@@daniels7907 Haha. Indeed.
I'm literally listening to the last minutes of the second foundation. I better keep up
Just saw that Apple is doing a series of Foundation.
I hate to think of it. It can’t work; there’s no director out there that I trust to be able to reveal the complexities involved in this.
I know this might sound a little outlandish and perhaps silly, but would you be interested in doing a asoiaf video detailing references to a more advanced human civilization pre-Long Night and possible influences by lovecraftian beings in that? Preston Jacobs talked about it, but postulated nuclear warfare more than more nefarious forces.
The mule was out muled
thats excessively sadd
Don't you love the way the Second Foundation sacrificed an entire planet to win their battle with The Mule?
It was foreshadowing of the fact that the Second Foundation could be just as ruthless as the First. They simply applied their ruthlessness behind the scenes instead of out in the open.
Just like Alderaan
They also sacrificed 50 of their own at the end of Second Foundation
@W - Then you really didn't read the novels. The First Foundation was *very* ruthless. It was merely that, early on, they played games of economic, religious and political manipulation because Terminus lacked the resources for them to be a military power. Once they expanded beyond that they indeed started to become a military power as well. Mayor Harla Branno would eventually decide to abandon the Seldon Plan because she felt that the Foundation had enough technological military superiority to conquer the rest of the galaxy immediately, without needing to wait for the Plan to play out. Gaia stopped her. But it shows how ruthlessness was not in short supply on Terminus!
It was the Mule who destroyed the planet. Unfortunately the Tazendians were 'collateral damage", just like civilians when a critical battle takes place in their territory. The Second Foundation apparently tried to get the people moved away from the target zones.
Foundation that's anew book or books .I want to read right now I'm really into dune it's atrip how different I'm taking in dunes literature compared to when i was a teenager.
I've only recently discovered your channel, great to see you enjoy the other behemoths of sci-fi fantasy! Asimov is my favourite, great video.
You do great work! I’m always impressed by your concise and thoughtful videos!
Interesting, but the planet name is Kalgan, not Klagon!
Also, the Mule's empire was the Union of Worlds not Union of Planets.
better closer
yes i noticed that to but thought the difference was due to my copy of the books being in dutch
yea i'm so glad Apple has taken on to do the Foundation series, it's what i've wanted for years. Having finished the 2nd season, it's looking awesome. Whatever it's flaws, i think it's been great and the whole mule lore sounds awesome
I challenge you to analyze Arthur C Clark next. He is just as groundbreaking as the Prophet Herbert and the Prophet Asimov. The Prophet Clark rounds out the Trinity of Futurism! ((Shout Out to Stanley Kubrick))
In order to get the full appreciation of the Foundation series you need to read Asimov's Robot Series first its one continuous history.
Damn ... I miss Asimov ...
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I know it isn't as high fantasy/sci-fi or adult oriented as Dune, Foundation, or Game of Thrones, but have you ever read the Earthsea series?
Seconded. If Quinn wants to look at a new series. Earthsea may be my favourite fantasy series.
Reifgar the first (and if I remember correctly) the third book were quite good.
ya, what about that?...
Could you do one on Bel Riose? I find his character intriguing and quite underated.
One thing I never understood about the mule is, he is supposedly from Gaia a planet where everything particle lives in harmony, People on Gaia never gets sick, they are always protected by the collective will of Gaia. So how does a deformed human ever gets born on a planet where people are in perfect health?
I believe he left Gaia a few hundred years before Gaia was "finished." So that may be why. Or he may not even really be from Gaia, as I think it was mentioned that lots of stories had the Mule come from different worlds, with some even saying he came from Earth.
Bliss confirmed he was from Gaia. And Gaia was finished a long time ago, so much time had passed that I think they have no history before Gaia.
That the Mule was from Gaia was established in later novels but the cause of his mutations are never really answered except that it is implied it is some sort of unintended consequence of Gaia's modification of the Laws of Robotics.
Foundation's Edge and Foundation and Earth confirm the eventuality of Galaxia, what sort of mutations could arise from it... sadly Asimov died before he could finish the Seldon Plan as we only reach half way through the timeline.
+Jayson Quilantan
The mule is not a robot, it has nothing to do with the laws of robotics.
Yeah that plot hole is still there all these years later.
Unintentionally he produced the flaw or rather exposed the lie of Gaia, you are right it is a logical impossibility.
Well done the mighty Quinn for your awesome vid,but can you do David Brin's uplift series and or Alistair Reynolds as well as Ken Macleods series please? I thoroughly guarantee you will enjoy those series!
Hey Quinn a good sci-fi that you could look into is five star stories by Mamuro Nagano.
I just finished Second Foundation and held off watching this until I did.
oh, an early Planetside 2 concept art at 1:57
So he was basically Tyrion in space but with psychic powers.
Created in 1950.
@@OsiRixxx If Tyrion didn't even need to be clever. Worst antagonist ever.
This series is wonderful. Should reread the books.
If there's a subsequent video it should be about how the Second Foundation stages a war with the first in order to seemingly be defeated and restore the confidence to the first Foundation and use their progress to bring on the Second Empire. Apparently they succeed as there are entries from the Encyclopedia Galactica after the start of the Second Empire (which Encyclopedia continued despite being said to be a pretext for the formation of the Foundation, when the Encyclopedists were overthrown).
George Lucas was inspired by the Mule to create Jar Jar Binks. Binks was supposed to have been the most powerful Sith lord, but the way the character was portrayed did not work. Lucas screwed this up, by making Binks too annoying to the audience. Binks ended up being demoted to a minor character that provided comic relief. As Quinn describes in other videos, Lucas and Frank Herbert took a lot of their material from Azimov's series.
Someone who speaks my language.
@@knightwarrioranimations9656 Thanks for the compliment. Robot Chicken tells this story properly. They are the ultimate Star Wars nerd-experts. As for actually predicting the future, I'd recommend "The Fourth Turning" by Strauss and Howe. I read it 10 years ago, and they've been quite accurate. A lot of Wall Street suits quote it.
@@paulh2468 Alright I’ll look it up at my local library.
I had the same idea when the Darth Jar Jar fan theory arose a few years ago. Clearly the idea would be inspired by Magnifico/the Mule. Of course, it's pure speculation unless Lucas ever speaks up, and given how burned he felt after Jar Jar bombed with audiences, I doubt he will ever address it.
Despotic and benevolent should be mutually exclusive
Please do videos about Anne Rice’s “The Vampire Chronicles”. They’re such a great series of books.
I don't think Anne Rice is really this fine gentleman's point of interest as far as genre.
TheMaleRei
It doesn’t hurt to ask. If he hasn’t read them, he might find them enjoyable. The books are popular so I’m a bit surprised there aren’t more videos about them on UA-cam.
Why isn't this series a trilogy of movies yet?
Please review the Anne McCaffrey Dragon Riders books 🐲🐉🦎
Pretty Pixy
Seconded.
Your artwork is phenomenal.
Asimov's "The Mule" was a role model for me and I also identified with him since such a story was originally first published in "Astounding" months after WWII ended when society went from rugged robust self reliance of eugenics to both cowardly and deceptively hiding behind others.
Eugenics was started, promoted, and sustained by some of the most passionately racist and xenophobic people in history. I’m not sure why anyone would hitch themselves to that particular cart.
I miss the booming volume at 3:30 the first version had lol
SpaceX landing pad at 2:10!
What I don’t understand is how the mule could try to rule the galaxy if he is a giain. He should have to follow the 3 laws of robotics which he doesn’t do.
Well done the mighty Quinn for your awesome vid,but can you do David Brin's uplift series and or Alistair Reynolds or Ken Macleods series please?
Would love to hear a similar analysis on Piers Anthony's Bio of a Space Tyrant.
One thing I never got. In foundation and earth Bliss often mentions he mental powers comes from her connection with Gaia and that its getting weaker the further she is from Gaia. Its still there trough hyperspace yet weaker as when she is on Gaia.
The Mule is mentioned to also come from Gaia but that he either was banished or left without word. Anyhow in both options I assume they would not keep him connected. Yet he did not lose hes mental powers. Doesnt that sound like a plothole to anyone else as well?
Bliss is hinted to be a robot
His physical description is basically Montgomery Burns.
Do you know me.? Axolotl tanks yesterday, the mule today it feels like you’re eavesdropping on me.
I know that the technology is absolutely not the point of the Foundation series, but I've been trying to figure it out for a while. What do they use for FTL? What weapons do they employ in battle? What do the ships even look like? They make a big deal about the ship in Foundation and Earth, but I could never see it properly; it helps me get into the books better if I can see these things in my mind better.
Robert Weston I think they use the Hyperspace method and about weapons I don’t remember but I suppose they were nukes or energy based.
Its not you he would get rater vague at times , exactly those times you noted.
Its not you he would get rater vague at times , exactly those times you noted.
The FTL is really only covered in a short delineating the creation of it by a.i. It is some sort of space folding technology that you definately don't want to be awake for.
Sounds like an Asimov story i read once, but a long time ago; you wouldnt know what the title of it was, would you? I'd like to revisit it.
So much analysis... Sheesh. It's an incredibly imaginative story. Just enjoy it. The Mule is an incredible invention, but his importance is simply as an unpredictable cog in a science that claims everything is predictable. Imagine 2+2=5. It can't be, but yet it is. That's the Mule.
I heard this was a wicked villian.
Tracking through hyperspace? I feel a TLJ joke coming on :)
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't later books mention that he was tied to Gaia?
what about this device in his hands ? whats up with that ? is it an insturment and he loves beeing lyrical and artsy ?
I'm surprised to see images of 40k warships early in the video.
Great video very informative #suggestion you should do a video about warhammer 40k universe
Vt31008 I dont think he will because 40k has a insane amount of lore and content. Plus there are many UA-camrs that have a wealth of info on their channels already.
Mystic Legion thanks
He gets called a freak when he's basically AU Adam Driver.
Okay but like what's up with the Mules keyboard guitar?
phychohistory isnt that far fetched. basicly isnt this what companies do as well. do research on trends trying to calculate and predict and even create new trends to sell their goods. when you think of it that could be phychohistory on a smaller scale
If anybody has watched or read One piece before, hadn't you noticed what I did?
In the late chapter, we became aware that Buggy the clown, is (Ridiculously) going to conquer the seas unpredictably.
I think Buggy is inspired by the Mule, Not a coincidence. Both of them has big noses, which causes them feelings of inferiority. The mule played the apparence of the 'Clown', Buggy is a clown himself.
And there is a theory, that buggy is just trying to fool the whole world by his foolishness, so that he hides some huge powers(He was a part of Roger's crew after all). And both The mule and Buggy, had made very loyal and strong subjects.
I believe, Echiro Oda got inspired somehow by the foundation. There is huge difference in the plot and in the climate of both series.
But we can notice some common characteristic. A prophecy predicts the fall of the world government (The first empire).
A dawn to a new era of the world, by the coming of Joyboy. (The rise of the second empire.)
A circle has no end.
Please consider doing Content on Iain bank's culture
The mule derailed it, but what if he was on a better track that sheldon couldn't predict?
Let's try again!
why is the volume in this video so much lower than the last video?
What's funny is that, like the Mule, and Bend Gesserit
I technically can achieve similar things... Not at the same scale as they can, but I am able to do it on a case by case basis...Thus isn't a casual boast. It is a simple statement of fact that I can, if given the motivation, alter the way another person behaves in a long term manner without any further manipulation to maintain the alterations.
It's a step beyond what any Narcissist or otherwise exploitive person can Normally achieve without an additional piece of leverage... And I actually can achieve more than even blackmail can accomplish.
Apparently, I just made my displeasure scarier than anything else they could imagine...
What's that flute music that plays at the end of the video?
What is the name of the background song with the flute?
Why wasn't the mule's empire the second galactic empire?
Because it didn't encompass the entire Galaxy and was never meant to have the long-term stability to survive its founder.
I don't think that foundation asshole had a idea either after the second empire starts.
Paladin Demo The Second Empire actually never existed 😅 but I guess you will find out why after the next videos ;)
….. the mule dies of poor health- duh !
in the end, he couldn’t use his mutant mental abilities power ?
Why is there a Targaryen soldier in the last image?
Spoilers for all the next novels
But I think the mule was an agent of Gaia implanted with false memories
Anyone else trying to fit Annunaki in?
My mother a product of 1930s eugenics was a one trick pony who craved physical political power to act masculine while I was a product of 1960s audio agitation propaganda so I acted feminine.
I wanted to atrophy and shrivel away both my muscles and bones to wimp out of responsibilities while my mother was a one trick pony who craved robust raw physical political power.
You just read the wikipedia page... Word for word
What's wrong with that?
I always hated Gaia. The Mule was better when he wasn't linked to it.
whats that music?
kingdom klag on ? what ?
Was the mule a bad guy
Hey Quinn, why did you re-upload the video?🤔
the audio in the first version jumped way up for a bit at 3:30 in the first version
Brendon Parker oh, thanks
Do you like arthur c Clarke????
He's fixing he's world right now 💓💔💕💖💗💛💝💞💟❣❣💌💥💦
To me the mule mirrors napoleons conquests.
Mentalic? Is that an actual word?
like
Why do you always use warhammer 40k images
I forgot...where was Stars End and "the other end of the galaxy"?
Planet of the Atheists Trantor. They never left the Capitol of the empire. The second Fondation hide in plain sight in the ruins of the Library(not totally sure if it was the Library or some Imperial grounds, but some idea.) They used the simple farmers of the sacked Trantor as cover/probes.
Michael DeHaven I remember now..thanks
One end was meant to be the border, it is the First Foundation and the other end was the center, Trantor and the Second Foundation.
SPOILERS SPOILERS: It's quite clever, actually, because the big hint is that the Foundations are at "opposite ends of the galaxy." So the First Foundation is at the ass-end of one Spiral arm on a planet called Terminus, and the Mule charts out some planets in the "opposite" spiral arm to look for planets there (covered in this video: Tarzinda and Rossum.) It's a fakeout, though. In the next novel, there's another fakeout, as a character says "a circle has no end," leading some in the First Foundation to believe that the Second Foundation is in fact on the same planet as the first. Finally, though, it's revealed that the other "end" from a spiral arm is in fact the center of the galaxy, on the old imperial capital, Trantor.
@@TJRex01 Considering that the Foundation series was originally inspired by Gibbons' "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," there is an interesting parallel to actual Earth history, in which the "non-political" organization of the Catholic Church which replaced the old Roman Empire (at least its western half) was established in the same city that ruled the old Empire (while further east, the Roman Empire continued to be ruled from Constantinople [today's Istanbul] for another millennium, and that city became, unofficially, the "Vatican" of the Orthodox churches).
The First Foundation would have been more like Ireland, where ancient and Christian books were preserved during the last half of the first millennium.
I came here to say that "Darth Jar Jar" was actually a good idea.
Anyone else read Psychohistorical Crisis?
It's a first time I hear about it. Is it good?
It was all nice and good, until Asimov read about Lovelock's Gaia idea, and become enamoured with it. At that point, he created a third option to the two Foundations, Gaia. A living and thinking planet with cosmic superpowers, enabled thru Bliss, the girl from Gaia who would - at times - express the power of the entire Planet. Janov Pelorat, in a standoff, was made to choose - as the destin for Humankind - between the Foundations and Gaia; and he went for Gaia.
I didn't like the mix-up. Enough was the almighty ancient robot who moved into an heavily genetically modified person from the planet Solaria; but the Gaia turnaround was, in my opinion, excessive.
Now, in an attempt to put some fresh paint on an old literature masterpiece, Apple TV has created a disaster; every SF lover who is watching the Foundation on TV is getting the shivers, for how they have morphed the Asimov masterpiece into a new Games of Thrones. Cleon I is barely mentioned into Asimov work; in the TV series in take the front seat instead - I stopped to watch the TV series after the second episode; simply, I can't take it.
Thank you for your video; I like how you respect Asimov's storyline and all the details of his work...
Whispering your dialogue doesnt enhance your narration.