Our Rivian R1T Experience RUINED by Electrify America
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0:00 - Intro
2:08 - Rivian Driver Plus Autopilot Experience
5:39 - Getting kicked out of Driver Plus
5:52 - Charging
6:46 - Preparing battery for fast charging
7:26 - At Electrify America trying to pay, card declined initially
10:45 - Charging derated from 215kW down to 40kW, troubleshooting
13:28 - Calling Kyle to get some help
14:52 - Even the 150kW station doesn't work!
16:14 - We gave up
16:50 - Wife thoughts
19:05 - Trying an EVGo...
21:09 - Final rant/thoughts - Наука та технологія
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I bought a Model 3 a while back when I was planning to shortly move into a home with garage charging, but experienced apartment life without charging at all besides supercharging or charging at work for a while. I had many Electrify America chargers near me and purchased the CCS combo adapter for my Tesla to make life easier. It was not easier in the slightest. Max charge speed I experienced was 46kw and routinely would have to call their customer support, which most of the time would be someone hanging out at their house with their baby crying in the background, and get them to restart the terminal I was planning to charge from, for it just to fail again. Only positive out of EA is that I got to know quite a few other EV owners around the area since we were all forced to stand in front of the stalls and ask each other if the other persons terminals were working. Never met a person that had anything positive to say about their EA experience.
I had a similar experience with a Polestar rental in LA a month ago. The car itself was fine, no problems, but charging was a nightmare. If it were my first experience with an EV I would not have an EV today.
Do you know how to watch videos on UA-cam? Plenty of videos on how to use every brand of chargers no excuse for that . Why rent a ev when you don’t know anything. And use the excuse I am not getting a ev because you didn’t do your homework.
I was in LA a couple of weeks ago & the car rental guy wanted to give me the polestar & I politely decline for a gas car. I’m on vacation not trying to get into the nightmare of charging the car.
That's the reason why Ford and other EV makers are jumping into the Tesla's boat in terms of charging standard.
Yes, Tesla really threw Ford and others a lifeline.
Did you see the post from Jim Farley on his experience taking the Lightning in a road trip.
Unfortunately, the Tesla standard won't make crappy hardware work any better.
@@copperdominationSort of. It definitely puts the crappy CPOs on notice. If the likes of Electrify America don’t improve, they will be put out of business as more EV owners will flock to Tesla Superchargers and other emerging, reliable CPOs.
Why should American companies have ever relied on VW?
Every one of these non-Tesla EV road trip videos is a commercial for Tesla, just by watching how much the charging experience sucks. It'll be interesting to see how that changes when the Superchargers open up. There are some nice EVs from other companies but unless you charge totally at home it makes no sense to buy them until they can Supercharge.
Next time he can rent a gas car or Tesla at the airport.
Thanks 🙏. Hope things do get better. The cost of the electricity is literally shocking too. Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤
Man we're spoiled with the Tesla charging ecosystem.
It really depends on the experience, and you started with a bad one. That really stinks. We own an R1S and an R1T after having a Tesla Model 3 and a Model Y for a few years. Most recently, we drove from NC to Toronto and back. We also took another drive from NC to the Florida Keys. We experienced no issues; however, the experience was not on par with Tesla. Hopefully, with access to Tesla Superchargers and further investment, things will continue improving.
@mikenielsen3971 I tried recently, and unfortunately, it's a no-go for me on the lottery side of things. In all honesty, though, I do use ABRP before every trip to plan out the drive and avoid chargers that are problematic on Plug Share.
That's what I miss about Tesla; I could trust the system enough to input my destination and just enjoy the drive. Traveling with a non-Tesla is definitely more involved, but somehow, I kind of enjoy it. #earlyAdopter
That being said. My recommendation for ease of use EV at the moment is a Tesla, given the integration between the vehicle and charging network. There are many things that I like more on our Rivians vehicle wise compared to our 3/Y.
100% agree with this. There are thousands of people who never have any issue, but like so many things in life it just takes that one time to ruin it.
@@philhyde983 It's not isolated issues. The few times I used EA it was terrible. I've never had any issue with Tesla. Outliers are the ones who haven't had any issues, and all of those haven't charged many times or only in a certain working location.
Most electric vehicle manufacturers use a J1772 charging plug. Rivian also accepts this common “J-plug” connector compatible with many charging networks. There are also a few other options for charging on the road.Jun 24, 2022
@@domg7359 It's gotten worse, but the issues are still outliers on the whole.
Haha! I really loved the video at around minute 16:20 when Chris and wife start to get really pissed off.
Thx very much for your honest opinion and feedback.
Last weekend I saw in Canada a whole family with long faces waiting outside their R1S while the dad was trying to charge in a Petro Canada station.
The next day I stopped at that station to buy snacks, there was a technician repairing the charging station.
A day later when it was time for me to drive home. I drove to a Tesla Supercharger 250kW, and in less than 10 minutes I went from about 25% to 60% SOC (paid about $13 CAD), got home with a safe 20% SOC. A breeze.
Thanks for the disclaimer at the end. I needed that. 😂
I appreciate you putting this out there. I got in a small argument over this very thing just a few days ago. I had no idea there were this many issues and the cost... holy crap. I went in apologized to the guy, because I was just incredulous about his perspective. You just proved his argument.
I have a Fiat 500e. That can't even DC fast charge; but, its a whole different use case. I only charge at home or on a J1772 L2 ChargePoint charger at work for free. I'm always banging the EV drum. I really thought the state of EV charging was in a better place than this. Talk about a disappointment.
My nickname for Kyle is happy-Kyle. I’ve only seen one video where Kyle was cussing mad, and that was his first non-Tesla charging video. 🤣
You don’t watch enough of his videos then
In Europe we use CCS even in Teslas, I have a non-Tesla and have not tried anything like what you are experiencing in the 3 years I have had my little car and I charge away from home a lot.
'Murica, 'home of the brave, land of the free to disappoint'.
Charging infrastructure and safety is my main reasons for getting a tesla. Even if I don't see myself driving across continent, you would still find yourself using it once in a while.
I luv your videos bro. Informative.
The EVgo charger probably ran into the 1hr session limit that they put on a lot of their chargers. It’s a 50kW unit, so it most likely needs 70-90 minutes to fully charge a big battery like the Rivian has, so it wouldn’t surprise me if it ran into the 1hr limit.
They could have warned me of that along the way lol
@@DirtyTesla They had a what, $3 session fee and then they limit the session to an hour? On top of charging more than 3x most people's home power cost.For those premium prices you'd figure they could get their chargers working better.
It infuriates me, as a spark EV (CCS) and Tesla model S owner. The charging providers almost completely are being productivity negligent given the effect makes people want to not go EV, and end up returning their EVs 😢
From Michigan love your videos!
Blind spot warning isn’t necessarily about “there’s a car next to you in your blind spot” and more about “you REALLY shouldn’t change lanes right now”.
What do I mean by that? Well if there is a car in your blind spot, but it is slower than you (so it’s “falling” backwards away from you) the blind spot warning won’t trigger because it’s ok for you to make the lane change. Or if your blind spot is empty, but there’s a car coming up super fast where it will be in your blind spot in a few seconds, that WILL trigger the blind spot warning to let you know it isn’t safe to make the lane change.
Dunno if Tesla’s blind spot warning works the same way, but that’s how it works in most cars.
we got our r1s 3 weeks ago. so far only level 2 charging for city travel. we love the SUV but there are some slight issues we plan to address with the service center.
what a shame there are way too many videos like yours on You Tube where people have terrible charging experiences I just do not understand why these charging companies are in business? I am glad I bought my Model Y
Dang. This is so sad to hear. Thanks for struggling through that trip to give us all a real-life update. 😳 😕
The wife opinion is exactly why I invest through all the noise and hate towards Tesla. EV by default and bar in my mind is a Telsa, and if no other company even meets that default line and wouldn't even consider. The Rivian is a good built from the ground up EV with software experience almost at Telsa level but is throttled by charging network.
Its the experience you get from a company that never really wanted to build it in the first place 😅 #VW
So glad Rivian is switching over to NACS
Think about the people that just won't buy a Tesla because they don't like the design language, Elon, or whatever. They still want an EV so they buy a non-Tesla and this is the experience they have whenever they charge away from home. Is it any wonder they go back to gas or believe that EV's aren't ready and PHEV's are the answer? I'm not at all convinced the legacy OEM's don't want it this way so that they can continue selling their profitable ICE vehicles. Rivian, OTOH, can't switch to NACS fast enough.
the fact that you have to whip out your credit card/phone is annoying as heck
Typical experience with non-Tesla chargers. I have used EA and others many times with my Tesla for various reasons and about half the time there is a problem (credit card won't work, station refuses to charge, touch screen misaligned, phone app not working, too hot, too cold, moon is the wrong phase...) EA, Blink, EVGO, Francis Energy--they ALL have issues! I ran into new owners of a Rivian at an EA station and they were going through the same frustrations as you were. I felt so sorry for them. Mine station miraculously worked. 20 minutes later, and several phone calls, they still were unable to charge. I gave them my station out of pity.
Starting in 2024 Rivians will be able to use Tesla chargers via an adapter. Also Rivian is building its own charger network that so far works very reliably.
Lol he gave you the Rivian knowing it lol
Well at least he will get thousands of views but just about every video is the same thing - avoid AE at all costs
Really cool viewpoint. Crazy how non Tesla owners still have this struggle
It's no wonder Ford led the switch to NACS.
But I'm surprised it took them so long
Blame it on rivian for putting a truck out without the network built out. Tesla had 11 years
was seriously considering a rivian from positive reviews from Sandy Monroe to the fact that it’s just a practical and capable off-road vehicle… Something the cyber truck doesn’t appear to be. Now I am considering canceling my reservation .Love your experience video BUT the audio is horrible on the driving portions…cant understand.
What part of the Cybertruck indicates that it won't be off-road capable? Nothing released or leaked alludes to anything missing
The build-out of the Tesla Supercharger network has been incredible. For instance, at Quartzsite, AZ between LA and Phoenix, there are now 120 (!) Supercharger stalls, including some with access for vehicles towing large trailers. Major props to Tesla.
oof. Yeah. Par for the course. I have a Chargepoint nearby that does a "meh" 62kW... but as of a month or two ago it's de-rating to a *painful* 32kW on the R1T.
Pretty much, get below 55kW on the Rivian and the charging experience gets painful quick.
Opening up the Supercharger network was not an entirely altruistic move by Tesla. They need BEV"s to replace ICE vehicles for their own expansion plans to be possible. They are smart enough to know they can't meet that demand alone. Videos like this (and there are many others) demonstrate that no matter how nice, cheap, fast etc a BEV might be, if you can't get it charged quickly and efficiently on the road, it is severely limited (see Nissan Leaf). Our family has been driving Tesla's exclusively for the last 2 years and we LOVE these cars. The supercharger experience makes that love unconditional.
Kyle Conners loves many different BEV's, he knows that currently the only true great ownership experience is with Tesla. Thanks to NAS and Tesla's opening of the Supercharger Network, this is changing and that's a good thing for all of us ...
27:30 that's not the first EVgo station I've seen like that. They seem to be really bad for cable management. I tried an EVgo station in an underground parking garage in downtown Seattle (under like a Whole Foods or something) one time and the space was so cramped I literally could not finagle all the cabling into a position to where I could park my car and plug in.
We bought a 2015 Mazda 3 because of the orange car is there warning lights in the side mirrors & a great backup alert. It has no other noteworthy tech.
Nice job, guys! Thanks!!! Think of the PR damage these non-Tesla charging stations will do to non-Tesla sales in 3 years!
We had a Volvo XC40 Recharge and wer HATED IT. We sold it back to the dealer to our R1T and we love it. Yes, the problem is the infastructure but that will change when Tesla opens up the system for non-tesla vehicles. In California I have 2 RAN's I have access too and have worked flawlessly.
most charging stations limit the speed after some minutes, probably due to the heat at either the station or in the car
I was at a Hyundai dealership recently looking at the new ionic 6 and the experience was very interesting. the tech and comfort are great and the backseat room is more than the model 3. But when we got to the charging I bailed out. They're pushing for you to buy it with 3 years free of EA charging but when I did some research on that it was literally the worst part of the car. There is no comparison between EA and Tesla when it comes to charging. I told the dealer that I would get an Ioniq 6 if they make the switch to NACS. If not, then I was good. If I ever experienced what you guys did, I would take the car back almost immediately after.
Very eye-opening.
Hi, does FSD Beta work on the new Model Y?
Mine does not, they said it is a firmware issue and HW4 is the reason
Still waiting 6 weeks already.
Please let me know.
Nope, doesn't work on HW4 yet
Do you think you will feel differently when Rivian starts equipping their vehicles with the NCAS plug so you can charge at Tesla Charging Stations?
I mention this near the end. 2-3 years from now maybe it's a non issue... But as of today go Tesla or go gas.
That steering wheel really looks happy!
All I had to see was the thumbnail to know it failed the wife test 😂
EVs would never exist without Elon. Opening the Tesla Supercharger network to competitors may not be the best business decision for Tesla, but it's best for the transition to electric transportation. How many companies or CEOs put what is right ahead of profit?
lets not forget the side note of *if you live in the usa. In europe, not an issue, we can even use tesla chargers so its not an issue. ive no idea why you have to wait for cars to come with a tesla adapter when in europe, tesla chargers are already ccs so it fits any existing car (that has ccs)
america is so behind in electrification support (nc tesla)
I hope you gave these stations the appropriate ratings on PlugShare and Rate My Charge!
I purchased a Chevy Bolt in 2019. The EA network was bad then, and now, 4 years later, it's still bad. SMH.
great video
Yep. Time for legislation and fines levied against Electrify America to ensure reliability.
Legally it is too late but the government should use emit domain and acquire the whole EA network and auction it off. A new owner has to be pretty. (…this is fantasy of course…)
@@billsrelectric such a ignorant comment.
I owned a Chevy Bolt which I traded in for a Tesla Model 3. I mostly charge at home, but occasionally road trip and when I was driving the Bolt the range anxiety was serious, my wife would start to panic anytime we were below 50-60%. The one saving grace was we didn't know any better and just dealt with it. The Tesla charging network is a complete game changer. Range anxiety is literally no longer an issue. I wouldn't be concerned about running the battery on a road trip down to 10% (although my wife would probably start to get anxious below 30%) but we never even get close to that because there are so many charging options. We end up charging every time we stop to stretch our legs or stop for lunch and without even trying keep the car charged during trips.
I tell everyone that asks about buying an EV that we have test driven some EVs that were great on the test drive, but unless you are only going to drive the car around town, the only EV choice to make is which Tesla to buy. Once the Tesla charging network is available to other EVs (I think starting as early as 2024) those options will actually be compelling.
As far as the Rivan goes, I think your observation that it feels just like driving in a GM truck would be considered a huge endorsement by a lot of folks considering that vehicle.
I can read your mind, "I want my Tesla back!"
I need to move to a place where supercharging is cheaper. I've yet to pay less than .42/kwh at a supercharger in New England 😭😭😭
It’s actually funny that you went to the charger that Kyle is always complaining about. You should’ve been there in winter when the chargers wouldn’t activate. Lol. The only positive on rivian is unlike other OEMs they do have the rivian adventure network in some places which appear to be pretty reliable. Unfortunately they’re just few and far between.
Sorry! Thanks for the video, it probably helped a lot of people! We just bought a new Tesla and are very happy campers!!
This is why I'm trying to keep my Chevy Volt on the road for a couple more years. Waiting for the charging infrastructure to improve. And for the Chevy Equinox EV to come out.
Also, I looked at Tesla recently, and insurance is much higher than in any other option I chose.
IRA Government grants for EV charging stations for Tesla are under $300K / stall. All non-Tesla stations are getting over $600K / stall. Weird AF.
I just took a trip using EA (Ford F150 Lightning) - no problems - just plugin and charge every time. Sorry you had a bad experience. Public EV charging is hit or miss but hopefully it will get better over time - it has to or the transition to EVs will never happen.
do more road trips
It wil happen, but only because of Tesla!
And in probably less than 9 months Rivian, Ford, GM, Mercedes and others will have adapters and access to the Supercharger network. I think the charging network is Tesla's main advantage - once others can use it there will be a real competitive landscape.
TESLA single-handedly saved RIVIAN by opening the NACS to them. I will never ever buy a RIVIAN until they get NACS in their cars. F the adapters.
So... How much would you have said to have a NACS adapter and use the superchargers? Imagine it's your truck... ide pay a few thousand $$$ for a personal magic dock for my Lightning....
That EA charger at the Loveland Target would have been my primary public charger for a Rivian or Ford. When I had my Nissan Leaf I would talk to iD4's charging and we would talk about how we loved the cars, hated the charging. I will just keep my current Tesla's for now. The Cybertruck is just to weird for my wife, so not a option.
The other advantage to Tesla owners besides the Superchargers is that Tesla owners will pay for Supercharging at a rate lower than the other automakers who will use the Superchargers in the future. And rightly so. Elon said that Supercharging will not be a profit center (for Tesla owners); they will pay cost plus 10%, and that 10% will cover the leasing costs Tesla has for the land the chargers are on, and some for the little maintenance that's needed. But the "other" EV owners can and should pay a rate comparable to the other public charging companies.
Tesla is better for 99% of people until Rivian joins the Tesla charging network. We went with the R1S instead of model x and love the R1S. It’s special and was far cheaper with grandfathered pricing and much roomier inside for the 3 kids (4th on the way) and has more cargo
room. Plus the styling is superior in my opinion. As much as I love it, we used our ICE on the last 2 road trips.
I wish more companies would license Tesla's self driving software. It is so much better than anyone else's product as your experience demonstrated.
They will.
Chis, you should make a separate channel of a podcast youtube channel??
This might be my favorite video of yours
Ha why's that
To see you and the wife’s trials and tribulations crossing over into how the other half lives. It was almost like watching a first time EV owners experience. I tried to convince some family to get the MY but they went with the ID4, overall car is okay but this has been their exact experience. Has left them with a love hate relationship. I really liked Stephanie’s comment of respecting and/ or appreciating what we have as Tesla owners now.
Do you have a Nema 14-50 at home? Can’t you charge that stupid thing on the 1450?
It's almost like things the government mandates (EA) suck but when a company is trying to compete in a free(er) market for their customers' business (Tesla) and not just comply with a penalty (EA) the outcome is way better! Now let's do healthcare. 😊
Once all manufacturers change to NACS and others can get a Tesla suphercharger adapter, all other charging companies are dead on arrival.
Not if they somehow actually work. Make them very easy to use, put them in useful locations and fix them immediately when they are broken. It is not rocket surgery.
I like Tesla's lane change warning system because I will often start signalling AHEAD of moving, and I don't want a chime dinging at this point. Dinging if I start to change lanes when I shouldn't is perfect.
That's a good point and the Rivian definitely did ding even when I didn't need it
@@DirtyTesla And nice thumbnail for this video. When I first saw it, I thought, "Uh oh, Stephanie's not happy", and I guessed it had something to do with public charging. Bingo!
What did anyone expect? VW was forced to build out EA as punishment from the EPA. Did you think it was going to be good???
And… They bought it back for cheap. Politicians sold us out again!
Bs kyle got ea to put in new units In the winter. I would have downloaded the Ea app and had my card on the app. I use apple wallet with my card in apple wallet. Non Tesla people are clueless. It is not that hard. I have had my car 8 years and know how to use all chargers. The problem is they don’t plan ahead and learn how to use the charger before driving someone’s truck. Sandy Munro was clueless on chargepoint. Kyle and ea have video on how to use the chargers. I am really surprised Chris isn’t more on top of things.
Blame It on rivian for no network before release the trucks not ea
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Nah. Failing EA chargers I would blame on EA, and the competition wasn't much better. No amount of being on top of things cures a 40 kW charge rate in a truck with a big battery. I have been stuck at 70 kW in my Elonfanboymobile, and I can feel my beard growing long and grey at that rate until I realize I have juice to get to the next station. Two digit charge rates are only fine when you are stopping for dinner, but then the charging session had better not stop randomly half way. That's how I feel about that. 🙂
The audio on this video is so bad that most people didn't hear you explain the audio issues at the BEGINNING of the video 😂
Wasn't EA the punishment for VW? You know, outside the Tesla SC the experience can be the same here in Germany. It is getting better with stations like EnBW and such, but ugh, I will not leave the SC network for now...
You left a charger that was giving you 82kw and went to one that stated it was 50kw max...you don't get to complain about that!
There's lots of EVs around such as the Bolt that max out at 50kw and many of these chargers have been around for a long time. Anyways, I've charged my M3 (with the CCS1 adapter) lots of times at 50kw or even 22kw chargers quite happily because we were having a meal/shopping, or there were no Tesla SCs nearby. I will never complain if the charger gives me it's rated output and a 22kw or 50kw CCS1 charging station is far preferable than none at all, which is often the case in rural areas, even for a Tesla.
The reason we left the 80kW is because we hadn't eaten in a while and were going to get food. We didn't even plan to charge again, but saw the 50kW was downtown where we already were, so we went for it when we had free time. Also, think of this from a non-EV nerd perspective... anyone new or newish to EVs would be so confused and put off by the charger saying "hey only 2 more hours to go!" when they thought it was a "hypercharger"
Yes, returned my non-tesla EV because of subpar experience with charging.
Sorry Chris, gave it a go, bit couldn't hear you with my family chatting in the room. Highly recommend a different microphone next time.
If I were a Rivian stockholder I would question their decision to not use the Tesla Supercharger network from the outset. Not a good business decision.
You should try charging any sort of car in Britain, Chris: this is nothing compared to our situation! (very often new chargers won't even have been plugged in, and the process whereby one gets any electricity out of them can take 20 minutes, just to set up the direct debit...) Tesla superchargers are very few and far between, but the only half reliable ones, when not full up.
We drove over to Britain (from Norway) for the summer, most baffling experience was a nice big station operated by EVpower in Dover - which was only available to British citizens! You could not register an account to pay by credit card as a foreigner. My wife even called them up to check if this was the case, and the service representative was non-apologetic and thought this was normal.
We are used to having to download a new app for every charging station, but it is getting better. In Norway the Electric car society (Elbilforeningen) is signing agreements with the different charging networks so they are all available via a single RFID tag and they handle all the payment. (We have a 6 year old Tesla with free charging, but destination charging is still useful from time to time.)
@@kjetilhoI'm so sorry to hear that. That's a terrible way to treat a guest. Hopefully you found a decent supercharger in the end. The agreement in Norway sounds like a very good thing. The whole thing is just mad though: apps, apps, apps, data, time....
@@pyseac - yes, we used the Supercharger in Calais instead. It is pretty clear that UK is a land of petrol heads, there is a lot less electric infrastructure than on the continent, but there is sufficient of it to not be a hassle.
Excellent video. You both are great together! 🙏🏾
I guess you like a guy complaining in a video? I don’t call that a good video. His video talking to Cory at Munro. That was a good video. His Tesla beta driving videos are good. He would do better staying in his lane instead of making a video about something he doesn’t know anything about.
That so why I have a Tesla. The supercharging network is great.
For the EV community I wish other charging networks would at least try. As a Tesla stock holder I don't mind seeing them as the future exon
Cute blue dress!
We pay around 0,80c per kWh where i live 😄
💀💀
First time i hear someone say Evgo instead of EV-go
It's almost like the industry has recognized how awful the charging experience is and have decided to adopt the NACS for ... some reason.
It's almost as if EVGo, EA, et al want EVs to fail. Tesla aside, automakers believed they had no real stake in the charging infrastructure. They are learning the extent of their error. Several automakers are teaming up to deploy a new large DCFC network to rival Tesla's (or so they claim). If they do it right and keep them running properly, then the charging landscape in 5 years could be vastly improved.
It’s rare but I’ve experienced this with Tesla chargers, usually the 150kW Supercharger when I have to be next to someone. Just saying Tesla isn’t perfect, though EA seems like 50/50 it’ll work right.
At V2 chargers, you are sharing the power. I just made a 1,8k mile round trip journey in my MS LR. Interestingly car got my number down, V3 chargers appeared as the % showed nearing 30% then at around 68%, app told me to get back to the car for the next V3 charger. It took 8 minutes for that 38% charge and I barely had time to visit the ladies room. I can't imagine driving any other EV other than another Tesla and in the line for my CT.
Why are you charging to 90%? Max should be 80% on a road trip. That last 20% takes 1-1.5hrs. What does Tesla charge per KW? Thought I saw it was *about* 50 cents/kwh. I did a 10hr drive in Rivian on EA network, 27 bucks, 60 min charging over 2 stops one way (I did get a free charge at a gas station so $54 if I had to pay for both). My 22 year old V8 truck only got 10/20mpg and would have been at least $140 one way. Granted, I did have to spend about an extra 30 min om my road trip, but I have dogs so, good to take a break anyway. I broke it up into a meal stop and a caffeine/restroom break.
I will also note EA does have a lot of bad chargers, I did use the plug-share app as a pre-view of those stops and omitted those bad chargers on my trip. I do realize most people do not have the knowledge to do that. But you have to realize that this is new tech. Just like the early internet, it sucked then and there were issues, but it cleared up over time. And all those ol;d people who could not figure out how computers worked got help from their grandkids to help them with this technology.
I hear you guys, I love my Ioniq6 and have driven a Tesla 3 before buying this. The Ioniq6 overall was much better all the way around. I did zero research on the charging because the dealer lied about the Electrify America chargers. The first time I charged it, the experience was a nightmare. Should have returned it but I loved the car so much I just bought a good high grade 50 amp level 2 charger. Patiently waiting for the Tesla Chargers to be available soon so I can make long road trips. Bottom line, EA chargers are trash
When you build a business because it's part of your "legal penalty", why would you keep it 99% operational? VW has done its end of the requirement to "build-out DC charger", I am sure there is no QA clause in the penalty.
My understanding is that Rivians will be able to charge at Tesla superchargers in the second quarter of next year.
I believe many of the charging issues are due to buggy charging station software, the complexity of the payment system and not exact implementation of the CCS protocol.
There are charging stations brands which work better, like Alpitronic or Kempower.
Tesla controls the entire stack, had better design decisions like streamlined payment system, and doesn't make a big profit out of superchargers. EA and the other need to pay the investment back hence more expensive to charge.
My wife doesn’t have as much patience as yours. This is awful.
Rivian disabled those camera in a past update and new Rivians will not have the camera hardware at all.
Absolutely true. The charging experience for non-Tesla vehicles is awful. In spring of 2024, Rivian will be supplying adapters for NACS to CCS so that Rivian vehicles will be able to charge at Tesla superchargers. The infrastructure will definitely improve. I feel because by Tesla opening up their network that's going to force all the other networks to up their game. The alternative would be going out of business or being bought out. Tesla was brilliant to create the supercharger network first because Tesla knew that the charging experience would make or break EV adoption.
The big thing with other EV's like Rivian, although it's not their fault EVGo and Electrify American or any other chargers don't work properly and have problems, it is partly their problem because of how it makes people see their vehicles.
Tesla would have the same issues, but they recognized this and built their own charging network so their customers don't have to rely on third-parties. Rivian or Ford or any of the other companies making EV's could also invest in first-party charging networks or partnering with someone like EA to help improve their networks. But they all choose not to and rely on third-parties to make their vehicles functional to customers without home charging.
Even companies announcing them moving to NACS is still them relying on a third-party network for their customers. At least that network is Tesla who have their own vehicles so they will keep the network functional, but it's still not ideal for their customers.
The liquid cooling was probably broken on that dispenser.
Oh yeah you found that out later