Yes, got me thinking about your recent ‘out of Guarentee’ vid on motors. I wonder if some of these manufacturers can build a motor (or adapter) that coincidently fits it into a frame for a Bosch or whatever. Is it really true that a ‘hole/space for a motor’ and a ‘distance’ between bolt-holes in, say, a Cannondale frame can be copyrighted by the original motor manufacturer? And, I bet the frame manufacturer would prefer a user to keep it going with a cheap new motor and, later, buy another new bike from them rather than have the customer ditch them (the manufacturer of the frame) along with the underperforming motor and instead buy a whole new bike from a different manufacturer when the motor gets ‘past-it’. I realise I’m wrong - must be - but I really can’t work out why. Anyway, I contacted them (they’ve been overwhelmed they told me, but I still bought them a couple of coffee’s 😊. So, then the internet told me there are several companies in the U.K. offering this service. So, we should all be thinking of routinely using them (as per suspension service etc). For some reason, there’s a great deal of chin-pulling about the Shimano motors (eg EP8) which I haven’t got to the bottom of: most don’t advertise they can service them, despite being able to change the bearings out of warranty (2 yrs). Anyway, thanks for that too.
For crying out loud when will they standardise battery shapes and chargers to ensure compatibility, safety and maximise recycling? Every company inventing and re inventing new standards annually is insane?
Great point. I am looking for a spare battery for my m510 for now 2 month and can’t even get hint where to source them. A standard would be great for OEM’s to crack the system. Then I couldn’t care less when the manufacturer sells a product and has no aftermarket service. Cheers to Bafang for this crap service
I don’t expect the motor or bike manufacturers to address this, but we almost never hear the press talking about it which to me is really weird. It’s almost like “yeah, let’s not go there…”
Shout out to Steve for the Bafangers out there! Been riding the M820-75 Nm (3/4- powered😉) for 8 months now..luv'n it! Not a massive hill killer, but it sure does lighten the overall rig down to the mid to upper 40's lbs for my Enduro rig!🤟 And it can keep up with full-powered riders depending on each other's skill/fitness levels.
@anonymousone6075 It is not a Flywheel,it is something new,he said it has a torsionspring.Does anyone know more about it?I do not find anything.Thank you.
@@Timbodacious Has nothing to do with my wish, that all motor manufactures should have the same mount... especially Shimano Brose and Bosh Panasonic and Fazua should. They make the most OEM stuff.... So that would change the market considerably... And give us options.
There is no regulation on powerlimits for spring storage systems I think. This could possibly be designed for high or low output of the stored energy. Maybe changeable springs. Very interesting system for city stop and go traffic too. I would like to drive it for testing😊
Loved the idea of the frame thsat acceps diff motors and batteries. Looking for frictionless paddling above the assistance speed (unlike my bosch gen4).
I would love to see more of this stuff from the far east make its way over to the UK shores we have at best access to 6-7 brands when it come to motors
Some very nice looking motors. Its good to see the variety and general quality of these smaller brands. This can only benefit the end users and bring more people unto the sport.
@@embn So why are you not asking why manufacturers are not all working together to make standard batteries and mounts etc? All pointless if a few years later you can't source replacements. Anti environmental and anti consumer
Wow…. Thanks Steve and the EMBM team some really great tech coming on the market! I hope we get to see you try some of the bikes out in real world conditions very soon 👍
My preference is super small motors and ideally modular battery systems. I only want about 30nm in a small motor with 300Wh battery for a super lightweight natural experience. And if I can add another 200-300Wh extension, that’d be awesome for longer days.
Regarding the "Non E ebike" at 7:10 with the tortion spring, where can I find more info on that? I did a search and can't seem to find a website. Thanks!
The most appealing thing to me in this exhibition is the Stone motor. I tried riding it in the bike demo area, comparing it with all the other brands. The motor's performance amazed me, and it's a pity that the video didn't showcase it. I hope I can buy it in the UK too.
I have a 4 year old carbon frame YT Decoy with 7000km. Weight is just over 50lbs. Still running great. eBike weight won't change much until we have solid state batteries, and we're a good few years away from that.
Excellent reporting! I'm disappointed that the motors don't have a standardized form factor at this time. If I have a Bosch Gen 4 motor, but later want a TQ, it ain't gonna happen. I would have to buy a whole new bike that has a frame that can accommodate a TQ, for example. Someday, the landscape is going to be littered with ebike frames because a rider can't get newer motors that are a drop-in replacement. Not very Green! *
within 5-8yrs most of these designs will converge to 750-1000Whr solid state batteries, 80-100nm motors with integrated gearboxes total drive/battery under 5kg and belt drive.
I seen all kinds of New Cool Gear ...i just wish they didn't cost as much as a motorcycle and a new vehicle the price really needs to drop to a reasonable price so this thing can take off and everyone across the world can afford a new quality e -bike ¡😊
There's something about the Brose feel and I think it's the belts. Other motors feels like you're pedaling a drill but the Brose feels like a treadmill. It's really smooth climbing rocks and stairs like it has caterpillar treads. At the other end with no grunt but blistering speed are the hub drives. Seamless power from a roll to eye watering and shifting is optional. The Achilles heel of mid drives is extreme loads on the chain and resulting wear of chain wheels,rear cluster, derailleur and chain. There's actually reduced load on the chain with a hub drive. Parts last forever and you can ride home without a chain or derailleur. They need to work on reducing weight and deal with the wiring so you can change a flat without tools and a hernia but there's a magic carpet ride with a 1000 watt cheap hub drive. Where's the graphene batteries and capacitor fired stuff I keep hearing about?
the NEXT big thing might be a way to replace the chain - just recently I saw a bike with a toothed belt linking the central E-drive to the rear hub which had internal gears - its downside was that it only had 3 ratios. The chain which is a truly great and simple way to link the drive to the ratios but it has been around for a century or two and is getting really old in the tooth :-) It needs constant cleaning, care, lubrication and replacement. There HAS to be a better way? Great thought provoking video, Steve !
It's great that motors are getting more lightweight but it doesn't really matter because you still need a heavy battery if you want to have any range so the battery weight cancels out the motor weight.
the Bafang M820 is not full power by any means.. Bafang is pretty generous with Nm figures compared to other brands. The M510 with 95Nm fits between the bosch cx 3rd and 4th generation, despite being rated higher than any of them.
if one has a light weight battery, you must question safety, there needs to be protective physical cell compartments to mitigate battery explosions, this must add weight so I'd choose safety over weight saving.
If there's an increase in the power-to-weight ratio by reducing the overall weight while maintaining strength, integrity and durability, then this is a major improvement.
75Nm? In my Bafang Motor I've got 160Nm and and 1100Wh battery because I'm NOT carrying a battery of any kind in my back pack and I can ride 30 ish miles and over 3-3500 feet of Climbing and still have almost 50% left......Thanks Stevie!
Why doesn't the Valeo Cyclee "quite make it"? I'm very keen to get an EMTB with MGU as soon as they are available in Australia, and being able to assess the upcoming options is important
It certainly was odd that one. No reference to weight, no holding it in hand, just a quick look, an aside about previous experience, cast shade, and move on.
I think the problem is not the electric motors itself, but the lack of standardization of the frame mount, every motor brand has it's own special mount, so your frame decides which motor you can use...this is not a preferred situation...e-bike motor mounts should be standardized!
I've got a new motor due in the post in a couple of weeks.....my 6 year old Gen 2 CX, being fully rebuilt by the eBike Motor Centre... I'm waiting until external batteries come back in fashion until I get a new bike...my 2017 KTM Macina Lycan 271 still going strong!
That's great! keep your eyes peeled as we have another video coming from the eBike Motor Centre coming soon 👀 Let us know how the motor feels when you get it back 🤘
@@embn Will do.... (My bike was on EMBN show 67 lol- 20 mins 43 secs!).... Well looked after but used exclusively in the Cairngorms so a hard life and seem to get just play on the poorly sealed NDS crank bearing, but to get to that it's a full strip down so may as well get a full rebuild, anything else is false economy!!
Battery dimensions and charging, motor mounting and sizing - these needs to be standardized before I ever consider getting an ebike for price of a car (so any ebike)
"That's a wonderful opinion, very open-minded and detailed." Could you provide me with some additional information regarding the battery? Specifically, I am interested in the cost of the battery, its composition, and its expected lifespan. Thank you. . Thumbs up and subscribed.
Honeslty, it's awesome what is happening and completely stupid at the same time. There are no battery standards yet, which is about as dumb as it gets. This is one reason the bike industry is having problems and looked on as a joke. The battery should be manufactured totally seperate from the motor manufacturer so we get ONE STANDARD battery for all motor/bike brands along with one style charger. All you need to do is pick the WH or size you want to go with the motor and fits the bike. You know, like a car.
I think an electric assist motor on a bike needs a belt drive and a enclosed gear box. I think the advantages of a gear box bike (such as the Priority 600) is a much better option than a chain drive and derailleurs. Did any company in the show display any belt drive systems?
I think the future is motors at current mass but much more power and equivalent range. More speed at same or more range = more fun and major marketing leverage
Unfortunately unlimited power bicycle is not road legal in many countries. It would be classified as a motorcycle with all the consequences - registration, insurance, driver's license, etc. There may be some rogue companies doing unlimited power stuff and labeling them "for private property only" (which obviously nobody follows) but it will be harder for them to find cooperation with serious companies who dont want to ruin their reputation, and I dont know how many % of the customers are willing to risk criminal charges for a bit more power. It sucks but it's reality.
Bad idea putting batteries in your backpack, used to carry my pump in a camelback until I crashed the pump broke 4 ribs & 4 vertebra lost all feeling in my lower body. Pump now fixed to the frame
Of course weight matters. To dismiss that is ridiculous. More power in a lighter package is more efficient. Also makes the bike more transportable. Not everyone lives near a trail. I have a full power 25kg bike but my next bike will be a lighter one. I don’t want or need anymore power. Something that’s more manageable is more important to me.
Nice Nice Nice Thx! ❤ More engines are a bit disturbing for the consumer. Only a test that is as objective as possible can help to compare. I would be interested in the punch, the volume but also the durability and the susceptibility to errors.
Really would like to know more about the Non-E Bike. I don't thing you even introduced the company name...... (Why?). Lets here more on that!!!! PLEASE and Thank you.
i rode the bulls evo am 4 granted it was in a parking lot. but the 85nm of torque felt really good. i hope the companies start making 100nm standard though. my dream is for them to make single gear bikes, throttle only, and with the power of some of the motors shown here...130nm etc. if i could ride my emtb LIKE a dirtbike...id be a happy guy. 130nm is alot of power but still nothing close to even smaller dirtbikes that can truly dig the ground up quick. to just hit a sudden incline, punch the throttle and fly up the hill without pedaling. i know a few brands have bikes like that, frey, etc...and they are cool. but id rather have an EMTB that is ridden like a dirt bike...than an actaul electric dirt bike. and with the tech coming out, EMTB that ride like dirt bikes, could still see 100 miles in eco mode for example.
75 Newton-meters converts to 55 pound-feet of torque in freedom units. A 170mm crank converts to about 0.56 feet. So that 75 Nm rating is equivalent to a 95 pound rider (55 divided by 0.56) standing on one pedal with the cranks horizontal. It ain't that much, guys! It's power that gets you up the hill.
Crazy prices just be use they have a motor, also if something fails you're looking at AK it of money for repairs. I have a limited budget I built my own ebike for less than 1k 100nm motor & 1024wh 52v battery I get 30 mile range pulling 140kg load at 25mph
As far as I know all manufacturers create a new pattern for every motor, every year. So no you'll never be able to upgrade, just chuck your old frame into the landfill.
Careful with the “smallest, lightest and most powerful” mantra; how about including “durable, robust, reliable” to the mix. Without being too cynical, I’ll bet a lot of these manufacturers will be designing their “smallest, lightest and most powerful” motors to last around a month past their warranties.
*When* will we get to standards for mid-drive systems. A standard for mounting, and a standardized connection bus would allow for upgrades as some of these nifty new systems come about, and a standard for bar top cyclocomputers, etc to integrate into. CANBUS, anyone?
It seems to me, the bikes on show are built for purpose! However, I am interested in kits that I can use to rework my mountain bike, which is a Trinx, made in Taiwan! I live in Thailand, so it would be a great addition if possible?
Waiting for more bike mfgs to agree on a "standard" battery size/shape and motor mount. They eventually need to provide an upgrade/replacement pay like every other bike component like wheel size, headtube diameter, steer tube diameter, BB diameter, thru axle, rear derailleur mount, etc. Just need a few companies to lead the way.
I have a Cube hardtail with Bosch CX gen 4 from 4 years ago with a 500wh frame battery that I can unclip(with a key)at a moments notice and pop my spare one out of my backpack in, not very heavy to carry and 1000wh with which I regularly cover 40+ miles. All of these seem to be going backward compared to the system from 4 years ago - 400wh sometimes not removable from the frame with 172 wh range extender giving under 600wh, come on, people want to go further on rides, not shorter, I'm disappointed I can't buy the new 750wh bosch batteries as they have to have a smart system, Create a reliable, robust and powerful system with easy to swap out batteries to give great range and people will buy your system, simples...
Check out Bimotal, they're actually moving the industry forward with their Elevate system. Riding on road with a DH MTB, 2.5" tires, I got 42 miles average speed 17mph, 2400 ft climbing out of two 320Wh batteries. I carried one in my backpack. The entire system, drive unit, battery, etc. weighs just over 6lb and clips on/off in a few seconds.
The problem I have with ebikes most have bespoke chargers and batteries. There needs to be standards to keep them going, I have had 2 e-bikes and they die and are e-waste.
Have a look at motorcycle dash cameras. Most all run on 5v. So usb power pack , I use a 8 x 18650 usb pack in a cross bar phone bag. Have fitted several to push bikes. Front and rear recording , set display to rear camera, giving digital rear view mirror. I mount rear camera under the back of carrier but can be mounted under seat or practically any place Works great
Carrying a battery on your back is as dumb as carrying an extra wheel in your pack. The point is to have battery tech that is small enough to not need 2 batteries. Honestly the form factor should be half of what is being produced
Did you see anything that caught your eye? 👀 Let us know! 👇
No DIY motors like CYC , Tongsheng , ToSeven.
Yes, got me thinking about your recent ‘out of Guarentee’ vid on motors. I wonder if some of these manufacturers can build a motor (or adapter) that coincidently fits it into a frame for a Bosch or whatever. Is it really true that a ‘hole/space for a motor’ and a ‘distance’ between bolt-holes in, say, a Cannondale frame can be copyrighted by the original motor manufacturer? And, I bet the frame manufacturer would prefer a user to keep it going with a cheap new motor and, later, buy another new bike from them rather than have the customer ditch them (the manufacturer of the frame) along with the underperforming motor and instead buy a whole new bike from a different manufacturer when the motor gets ‘past-it’.
I realise I’m wrong - must be - but I really can’t work out why.
Anyway, I contacted them (they’ve been overwhelmed they told me, but I still bought them a couple of coffee’s 😊. So, then the internet told me there are several companies in the U.K. offering this service. So, we should all be thinking of routinely using them (as per suspension service etc). For some reason, there’s a great deal of chin-pulling about the Shimano motors (eg EP8) which I haven’t got to the bottom of: most don’t advertise they can service them, despite being able to change the bearings out of warranty (2 yrs). Anyway, thanks for that too.
what's the name of the company making the torsion spring power assist?
square taper cranks wtf so 80s
600 Dollars for the Astro.....?
For crying out loud when will they standardise battery shapes and chargers to ensure compatibility, safety and maximise recycling? Every company inventing and re inventing new standards annually is insane?
And while they’re at it, standardize motor mounts and bolt pattern too. But no, it’s a game of Market Darwinism.
Could not agree more with both of you !!
Great point. I am looking for a spare battery for my m510 for now 2 month and can’t even get hint where to source them. A standard would be great for OEM’s to crack the system. Then I couldn’t care less when the manufacturer sells a product and has no aftermarket service. Cheers to Bafang for this crap service
Totally agree 👍, we are where mobile phones were 15 years ago!!! Mounts, batteries, chargers etc.. so much for being eco friendly!!
I don’t expect the motor or bike manufacturers to address this, but we almost never hear the press talking about it which to me is really weird. It’s almost like “yeah, let’s not go there…”
Shout out to Steve for the Bafangers out there! Been riding the M820-75 Nm (3/4- powered😉) for 8 months now..luv'n it! Not a massive hill killer, but it sure does lighten the overall rig down to the mid to upper 40's lbs for my Enduro rig!🤟 And it can keep up with full-powered riders depending on each other's skill/fitness levels.
Love my WattWagon with its Bafang Mid-drive!
Bafang mid drives are brilliant.
Nothing beats BBSHD and a personalized battery shape and/or size for anyone's taste.
That's what I'm running on a cannondale gemini it's a beast
Love the guy with the perpetual motion bike 😂
Call me petty but why did he have to call it Mao. In Taiwan.
I think it was saab and that was back in the 60s
@anonymousone6075
It is not a Flywheel,it is something new,he said it has a torsionspring.Does anyone know more about it?I do not find anything.Thank you.
recycling waste energy or... a feather from the cap of E F1
Great if it works as regenerativ breaking.
Also tech support would be an essential part of the decision to choose any of these new motors/electronics/battery products
Or published details so anyone can support it.
More MGUs please, I was hoping for a real Pinion MGU alternative showing up.
Same
Same
I would love to see a mounting norm for ebike motors.... that would change the market considerably. AND make it very nice for us
bbhsd's and other brands have been around for like 6 years now.
@@Timbodacious Has nothing to do with my wish, that all motor manufactures should have the same mount... especially Shimano Brose and Bosh Panasonic and Fazua should. They make the most OEM stuff.... So that would change the market considerably... And give us options.
@@AK-ContentCreatIon those companies don't want you having options haha
I like it simple, so I can do a lot of maintenance my self. Bafang is my work Horse.
Thanks for the show vids Steve, enjoyed both 👍
Have you ever done anything on pinion gear boxes?
they are sleeping on it
pinion consists of Porsche engineers!
they are the #1 at the moment
I have a 50 nm Hyena rear hub drive Trek and the thing flys. Highly recommend
same motor on my trek domane al+
There is no regulation on powerlimits for spring storage systems I think. This could possibly be designed for high or low output of the stored energy. Maybe changeable springs. Very interesting system for city stop and go traffic too. I would like to drive it for testing😊
Loved the idea of the frame thsat acceps diff motors and batteries.
Looking for frictionless paddling above the assistance speed (unlike my bosch gen4).
thank you, hope for some ideas and products will make it into the market
You and us both!
I would love to see more of this stuff from the far east make its way over to the UK shores we have at best access to 6-7 brands when it come to motors
Some very nice looking motors. Its good to see the variety and general quality of these smaller brands. This can only benefit the end users and bring more people unto the sport.
Thanks Steve for providing the NM, however we would like to know the motors max Watt output in your review to.
Taipei really the center of e-bike future. Very interesting stuff! 👍
What has been your favourite thing so far?
@@embn So why are you not asking why manufacturers are not all working together to make standard batteries and mounts etc?
All pointless if a few years later you can't source replacements.
Anti environmental and anti consumer
China rocks. Look forward to cycling across some of those famous highways in the clouds❤😊
Solid state batteries will be the game changer but they are still a couple of years away - are there any prototype examples to been seen at the show?
Solid state is 5 years away, has always been 5 years away and will continue to be 5 years away forever.
Accompanied with its always 20 years away Fusion-power.
Wow…. Thanks Steve and the EMBM team some really great tech coming on the market! I hope we get to see you try some of the bikes out in real world conditions very soon 👍
There really is! What was your favourite piece of tech?
My preference is super small motors and ideally modular battery systems.
I only want about 30nm in a small motor with 300Wh battery for a super lightweight natural experience. And if I can add another 200-300Wh extension, that’d be awesome for longer days.
Regarding the "Non E ebike" at 7:10 with the tortion spring, where can I find more info on that? I did a search and can't seem to find a website. Thanks!
Very cool to see the new stuff. Good topic to go further into with the battery observations you made
The most appealing thing to me in this exhibition is the Stone motor. I tried riding it in the bike demo area, comparing it with all the other brands. The motor's performance amazed me, and it's a pity that the video didn't showcase it. I hope I can buy it in the UK too.
Thank you
I have a 4 year old carbon frame YT Decoy with 7000km. Weight is just over 50lbs. Still running great. eBike weight won't change much until we have solid state batteries, and we're a good few years away from that.
Thanks Steve
Excellent reporting! I'm disappointed that the motors don't have a standardized form factor at this time. If I have a Bosch Gen 4 motor, but later want a TQ, it ain't gonna happen. I would have to buy a whole new bike that has a frame that can accommodate a TQ, for example.
Someday, the landscape is going to be littered with ebike frames because a rider can't get newer motors that are a drop-in replacement. Not very Green!
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I dont have a E-MTB, but this video and this topic is just so fascinating 👍❤️
I like the idea of storing braking energy for uphill or starting assistance.
these are all great for trail riding
within 5-8yrs most of these designs will converge to 750-1000Whr solid state batteries, 80-100nm motors with integrated gearboxes total drive/battery under 5kg and belt drive.
I seen all kinds of New Cool Gear ...i just wish they didn't cost as much as a motorcycle and a new vehicle the price really needs to drop to a reasonable price so this thing can take off and everyone across the world can afford a new quality e -bike ¡😊
There's something about the Brose feel and I think it's the belts.
Other motors feels like you're pedaling a drill but the Brose feels like a treadmill.
It's really smooth climbing rocks and stairs like it has caterpillar treads.
At the other end with no grunt but blistering speed are the hub drives.
Seamless power from a roll to eye watering and shifting is optional.
The Achilles heel of mid drives is extreme loads on the chain and resulting wear of chain wheels,rear cluster, derailleur and chain.
There's actually reduced load on the chain with a hub drive. Parts last forever and you can ride home without a chain or derailleur.
They need to work on reducing weight and deal with the wiring so you can change a flat without tools and a hernia but there's a magic carpet ride with a 1000 watt cheap hub drive.
Where's the graphene batteries and capacitor fired stuff I keep hearing about?
the NEXT big thing might be a way to replace the chain - just recently I saw a bike with a toothed belt linking the central E-drive to the rear hub which had internal gears - its downside was that it only had 3 ratios. The chain which is a truly great and simple way to link the drive to the ratios but it has been around for a century or two and is getting really old in the tooth :-) It needs constant cleaning, care, lubrication and replacement. There HAS to be a better way? Great thought provoking video, Steve !
Good information of future cycle
I really would like to see more range extenders seeing as the internal batteries are so expensive!
Beautiful bafang motor 😮
You rock!
It's great that motors are getting more lightweight but it doesn't really matter because you still need a heavy battery if you want to have any range so the battery weight cancels out the motor weight.
the Bafang M820 is not full power by any means.. Bafang is pretty generous with Nm figures compared to other brands. The M510 with 95Nm fits between the bosch cx 3rd and 4th generation, despite being rated higher than any of them.
if one has a light weight battery, you must question safety, there needs to be protective physical cell compartments to mitigate battery explosions, this must add weight so I'd choose safety over weight saving.
How about posting the bolt hole compatibilities of all the motors? That would actually be useful.
all the bolt hole mounts are different and some motors come with an aluminum mount specifically tied to the motors shape like the bafang ultra etc.
If there's an increase in the power-to-weight ratio by reducing the overall weight while maintaining strength, integrity and durability, then this is a major improvement.
Yeah, competition is coming. I like Bosch SX most .
The $600 astro bike at 6:20. Where is it for sale? Thanks.
75Nm? In my Bafang Motor I've got 160Nm and and 1100Wh battery because I'm NOT carrying a battery of any kind in my back pack and I can ride 30 ish miles and over 3-3500 feet of Climbing and still have almost 50% left......Thanks Stevie!
Hello can you give a little bit more information on the non e ebike 7.12
7:17 Any idea what's the name of the stand from this guy? I'm trying to find more information about that non-electric e-bike
My ebike has a Ananda 110nm. It's very good 👍😊
Why doesn't the Valeo Cyclee "quite make it"? I'm very keen to get an EMTB with MGU as soon as they are available in Australia, and being able to assess the upcoming options is important
It certainly was odd that one. No reference to weight, no holding it in hand, just a quick look, an aside about previous experience, cast shade, and move on.
soonly !🤫
I think the problem is not the electric motors itself, but the lack of standardization of the frame mount, every motor brand has it's own special mount, so your frame decides which motor you can use...this is not a preferred situation...e-bike motor mounts should be standardized!
06:20 $600? That's a typo. More like $1600 I think. And, these are Euro-bikes only besides.
I made my own battery pack and it is 18650 cells from tesla car and it is 14s6p 😊so a big battery
I've got a new motor due in the post in a couple of weeks.....my 6 year old Gen 2 CX, being fully rebuilt by the eBike Motor Centre... I'm waiting until external batteries come back in fashion until I get a new bike...my 2017 KTM Macina Lycan 271 still going strong!
That's great! keep your eyes peeled as we have another video coming from the eBike Motor Centre coming soon 👀 Let us know how the motor feels when you get it back 🤘
@@embn Will do.... (My bike was on EMBN show 67 lol- 20 mins 43 secs!).... Well looked after but used exclusively in the Cairngorms so a hard life and seem to get just play on the poorly sealed NDS crank bearing, but to get to that it's a full strip down so may as well get a full rebuild, anything else is false economy!!
Really interesting, in a few more years, you might be able to remove a bottom bracket and put a 90nm motor in its place.
7:20 so physics doesnt apply then 😂😂😂
This bit should be on April 1st perhaps?
I think it's some sort of a KERS system. Pretty cool if it actually functions. You can store some energy on the flat to get uphill easier.
Asian physics.
What he really meant was that the stored power can be used for 10 km on smooth asphalt with -5% gradient ;)
It is so good, that your are in Taipei, so I don’t have to watch you riding your ebike in the wet and muddy weather of UK
Only a few more months until summer! ☀️
Any extra info on the bike assistance system without electricity?
Battery dimensions and charging, motor mounting and sizing - these needs to be standardized before I ever consider getting an ebike for price of a car (so any ebike)
Standardize battery and motor mounts. Don't let ebike power turn into the next bottom bracket situation.
Too late really now
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"That's a wonderful opinion, very open-minded and detailed." Could you provide me with some additional information regarding the battery? Specifically, I am interested in the cost of the battery, its composition, and its expected lifespan. Thank you. . Thumbs up and subscribed.
My hypothesis is that future is assistance that gets out of sight if you want / must pedal (no resistance)
Honeslty, it's awesome what is happening and completely stupid at the same time. There are no battery standards yet, which is about as dumb as it gets. This is one reason the bike industry is having problems and looked on as a joke. The battery should be manufactured totally seperate from the motor manufacturer so we get ONE STANDARD battery for all motor/bike brands along with one style charger. All you need to do is pick the WH or size you want to go with the motor and fits the bike. You know, like a car.
I think an electric assist motor on a bike needs a belt drive and a enclosed gear box. I think the advantages of a gear box bike (such as the Priority 600) is a much better option than a chain drive and derailleurs. Did any company in the show display any belt drive systems?
I think the future is motors at current mass but much more power and equivalent range. More speed at same or more range = more fun and major marketing leverage
Unfortunately unlimited power bicycle is not road legal in many countries. It would be classified as a motorcycle with all the consequences - registration, insurance, driver's license, etc.
There may be some rogue companies doing unlimited power stuff and labeling them "for private property only" (which obviously nobody follows) but it will be harder for them to find cooperation with serious companies who dont want to ruin their reputation, and I dont know how many % of the customers are willing to risk criminal charges for a bit more power.
It sucks but it's reality.
I'd like to see a long cycle life for batteries. LFP probably the go.
Bad idea putting batteries in your backpack, used to carry my pump in a camelback until I crashed the pump broke 4 ribs & 4 vertebra lost all feeling in my lower body. Pump now fixed to the frame
Geo fencing is likely aimed for ebike and escooter rental services like Lime, Bird, Neuron etc.
300 what hour battery stuff that we just finished one that eneded up being just under 5000 watt hours .this going to be one heavy bike
Who is the manufacturer of the spring energy storage system? Is it available somewhere?
Of course weight matters. To dismiss that is ridiculous. More power in a lighter package is more efficient. Also makes the bike more transportable. Not everyone lives near a trail. I have a full power 25kg bike but my next bike will be a lighter one. I don’t want or need anymore power. Something that’s more manageable is more important to me.
Nice Nice Nice Thx! ❤ More engines are a bit disturbing for the consumer. Only a test that is as objective as possible can help to compare. I would be interested in the punch, the volume but also the durability and the susceptibility to errors.
what's the name of the company making the torsion spring power assist?
Battery tech will only have small incremental advancements until Solid-state batteries become available on E-MTB’s.
So never then.
awesome wish I can go there, lot of new motors was there any tq updates ?
Really would like to know more about the Non-E Bike. I don't thing you even introduced the company name...... (Why?). Lets here more on that!!!! PLEASE and Thank you.
It is great see such good planning in E Bikes, yet pointless in the UK with Backward UK GOV Criminalizing every thing on WHEELS.
i rode the bulls evo am 4 granted it was in a parking lot. but the 85nm of torque felt really good. i hope the companies start making 100nm standard though.
my dream is for them to make single gear bikes, throttle only, and with the power of some of the motors shown here...130nm etc. if i could ride my emtb LIKE a dirtbike...id be a happy guy. 130nm is alot of power but still nothing close to even smaller dirtbikes that can truly dig the ground up quick. to just hit a sudden incline, punch the throttle and fly up the hill without pedaling. i know a few brands have bikes like that, frey, etc...and they are cool. but id rather have an EMTB that is ridden like a dirt bike...than an actaul electric dirt bike. and with the tech coming out, EMTB that ride like dirt bikes, could still see 100 miles in eco mode for example.
75 Newton-meters converts to 55 pound-feet of torque in freedom units. A 170mm crank converts to about 0.56 feet. So that 75 Nm rating is equivalent to a 95 pound rider (55 divided by 0.56) standing on one pedal with the cranks horizontal. It ain't that much, guys! It's power that gets you up the hill.
DJI's ebike is on the way.
7:10 this Non E ebike is the most interesting product of all
Bike looks something from 1960s
@@stevebills22 true
but the system is very interesting.
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Crazy prices just be use they have a motor, also if something fails you're looking at AK it of money for repairs. I have a limited budget I built my own ebike for less than 1k 100nm motor & 1024wh 52v battery I get 30 mile range pulling 140kg load at 25mph
Is there a mounting standard for crank-mounted motors?
As far as I know all manufacturers create a new pattern for every motor, every year. So no you'll never be able to upgrade, just chuck your old frame into the landfill.
Careful with the “smallest, lightest and most powerful” mantra; how about including “durable, robust, reliable” to the mix.
Without being too cynical, I’ll bet a lot of these manufacturers will be designing their “smallest, lightest and most powerful” motors to last around a month past their warranties.
*When* will we get to standards for mid-drive systems. A standard for mounting, and a standardized connection bus would allow for upgrades as some of these nifty new systems come about, and a standard for bar top cyclocomputers, etc to integrate into. CANBUS, anyone?
There’s no profit motivation for that.
It seems to me, the bikes on show are built for purpose! However, I am interested in kits that I can use to rework my mountain bike, which is a Trinx, made in Taiwan! I live in Thailand, so it would be a great addition if possible?
Waiting for more bike mfgs to agree on a "standard" battery size/shape and motor mount. They eventually need to provide an upgrade/replacement pay like every other bike component like wheel size, headtube diameter, steer tube diameter, BB diameter, thru axle, rear derailleur mount, etc. Just need a few companies to lead the way.
Don’t hold your breath
I have a Cube hardtail with Bosch CX gen 4 from 4 years ago with a 500wh frame battery that I can unclip(with a key)at a moments notice and pop my spare one out of my backpack in, not very heavy to carry and 1000wh with which I regularly cover 40+ miles. All of these seem to be going backward compared to the system from 4 years ago - 400wh sometimes not removable from the frame with 172 wh range extender giving under 600wh, come on, people want to go further on rides, not shorter, I'm disappointed I can't buy the new 750wh bosch batteries as they have to have a smart system, Create a reliable, robust and powerful system with easy to swap out batteries to give great range and people will buy your system, simples...
Check out Bimotal, they're actually moving the industry forward with their Elevate system. Riding on road with a DH MTB, 2.5" tires, I got 42 miles average speed 17mph, 2400 ft climbing out of two 320Wh batteries. I carried one in my backpack. The entire system, drive unit, battery, etc. weighs just over 6lb and clips on/off in a few seconds.
@SteveJones did you notice more tech for ebiking in urban riding compared to emtb applications? 🤔
85 nm min and a 750w batt perfect for those big mountain days, I carried an extra batt for 3 years.....never again
The problem I have with ebikes most have bespoke chargers and batteries. There needs to be standards to keep them going, I have had 2 e-bikes and they die and are e-waste.
can you tell us the brand or company name of the mid-drive assistance system that uses a torsion spring and no battery ?
How do I learn more about the "non e bike" :\
Who makes a digital rear view mirror where the camera is under the seat? For street riding.
Have a look at motorcycle dash cameras. Most all run on 5v. So usb power pack , I use a 8 x 18650 usb pack in a cross bar phone bag. Have fitted several to push bikes. Front and rear recording , set display to rear camera, giving digital rear view mirror.
I mount rear camera under the back of carrier but can be mounted under seat or practically any place
Works great
Carrying a battery on your back is as dumb as carrying an extra wheel in your pack. The point is to have battery tech that is small enough to not need 2 batteries. Honestly the form factor should be half of what is being produced