Paw Paw - Where we plant them in our landscape
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We love growing Paw Paw in our landscape. Tolerant of shade, wet conditions, and absolutely loving Black Walnut, they are able to handle contexts most other plants can't. They seem to be close to fully immune to deer browse, and produce fruit that tastes like a tropical treat. What a wonderful being to include in our forest gardens!
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I was planning on making a paw paw video and yours discusses every single thing I was going to talk about. Everything you talk about I can echo. They are great in the shade, especially as seedlings. They are better in thickets, as that is their natural habitat. They get burned in the sun. That being said, they tend to thicket and grow in the shade and fruit on the forest edge. Your walnut and ash cover is shady but it looks like dappled shades which is ideal for them.
My paw paws are also performing fantastically right next to black walnuts.
How great is it to have the largest native fruit in north america be both shade tolerant and walnut tolerant (I could make an argument they thrive, most likely due to out competing via tolerance to juglone).
Incredible tree and it's the tree that neighbours touring my property comment on its aesthetics.
You nailed it with this video, awesome.
I'd hope you still make the video, I'd like to compare notes :)
It's great to hear you and other folks confirm what we're seeing in our plantings. I get a lot of people saying that paw paw are hard to grow or they all die, etc, and it really is about context for them, especially when they are young and fragile.
I'll make some videos about it soon, but I'm trialling a planting pattern where I plant out peaches with paw paw 2' to the north of each one. Paw paw loves the shade from the peach, they have different rooting systems by a long shot, peach gets full light as it needs. As the peach gets cankers and leaf curl and other diseases, the paw paw keeps growing... When the peach gets gnarly after 10 years, I can cut them and release the paw paw into full production spacing. 6 years in and it seems super promising :)
@@edibleacres oh man that's a great idea. I am currently just putting nut tree saplings next to 5 year old peaches for the same reason - peaches like to die, and nuts take a while to become productive. I LOOOVE the idea of putting slower growing paw paws in that spot.
Do paw paws prefer to be near deciduous trees? I want to grow some next year in an area dominated by crab apple, Saskatoon, pin cherry and aspen. Northwestern Ontario Zone 3.
@@MistyMeadowsPermacultureFarm zone 3 is probably pushing it, but that's not to say not to try. I would be concerned with the cold winter more than coniferous vs deciduous neighbour tree. Then again, we hit -40 multiple times this year and I managed to get mine to survive. They are in a wind sheltered microclimate near a stream that never freezes.
My paw paws have walnuts, ash, maple, cedar and pine all around them, and they do great.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Thanks for the info. :-) I was also thinking about planting against a south facing building that's sheltered from the north and west. Nearby trees and shrubs: apple, plum, lilac, Saskatoon berry and pea shrub. But, that location currently has full southern exposure.
One of the first trees I learned when I moved to the farm, my mother married a farmer, my cousin would take me into the woods to learn wild plants and trees, I'll never forget the first time I tried one, it had a light banana flavor, my cousin said that here they're called Indiana bananas. Great video, thanks for the memories. Puffball mushrooms are what I learned next.
The information about being able to grow them near walnuts is useful. Thanks for the video.
Happy to share. The walnut detail is exciting since they are tough to design under.
I have about a dozen paw-paws along the stream behind my cabin. They're in full shade and are healthy slow growers. In the 5 years I've owned the property I've only ate one fruit. It was very good. Taste like a banana custard. To much deer and raccoon competition to get much of the harvest but that's okay. They need it more than me.
They'll keep expanding and eventually you'll get some I'm sure!
And, more chances other trees will be planted
@@mariahbenson1510 dang, my comment aged so nicely. Well done ✔
It could be that all of your paws are just one tree beetlebaily1972. They need a different genetic for proper pollination. I would plant or graft another variety, if you want more fruit.
I also live in zone 5b with a wooded lot and haven't purchased paw paw because I wasn't confident they would thrive here. This video encouraged me to take a chance! I bought my first two pawpaws and can't wait to receive them in the spring!
I hope they grow beautifully in your landscape!
Not native in my area here in western WA but I planted 2 last winter and they are slowly growing but doing great and about tripled their size (no fertilizer). They started out fairly small (slugs almost stripped one of leaves but it recovered) so I was happy to see the growth. Mine are in the sun but I made a stick shelter around them to give them partial shade. Seem to be happy and I might add another 2 this year to the same area. They are planted near some edible shrubs and will be in a semi-thicket once everything gets established. I have some large trees that will eventually provide more shade. Thanks for sharing!
Yep, they are native to the eastern half on the other side of the mississippi.
I got some paw Paw's will be delicious.... In about 7years
Out of all the PawPaws I got.. The one I gave full sun and drier landscape died.. The others tucked in a small nursery bed shaded out by American persimmons are doing great.. The older tree I stuck in a wetland area with consistently moist soil and shade is very happy..
Sounds like you are having very similar experiences to what we've found.
Mine was doing well but, as the sun angle has changed, its leaves have browned due to I think too much direct sun. Might or might not survive.
Try planting a pawpaw tree using the E.G.W. Blueprint tree planting method !
20 times more growth, within 3 years, by weight ! And earlier flowering !
@@robertsatterlee5696 Putting rocks in a planting hole is voodoo nonsense.
Love this, thank you. I have a bunch of seeds and live in NJ. Excited to plant them.
Lovely
Cannot wait until mine fruit
Great information. I had no idea you could grow these in the north.
I'm zone 3-4 and I wish I could get paw paws to grow here. I've been planting a row of wild plum and cloning my haralred apple tree. The squirrels planted 7 black walnuts in my yard this year. My food forest is on its way! The grape vine doesn't seem to be producing sadly. I may have to clone my parent's vine. Thanks for all the inspiration, you're awesome!
I've heard that rooting greenwood cuttings with a drip system is an effective way to root Paw Paw. Have you ever thought of doing this? I've been waiting for my seeds to sprout. I love Paw Paw, but didn't even know what it was until we moved here eight years ago. A friend of mine came to visit and as we walked through the woods he said "Dude! You're the Paw Paw King!" As we have a large Grove of maybe 100 trees spread about. I appreciate you spreading the word about this and ALL of these wonderful plants that you foster! Thank you Sean!
Wow, super lucky! I haven't tried rooting them from cuttings as they are easy from seed and that keeps us busy enough!
As usual great video! Thanks for all the info.
My pleasure.
This is great information, thanks! I have four seedings that I grew from seed (planted them in
Feb, and they finally emerged in Aug) as well as two grafted cultivars. I’ve been thinking about which part of my yard they would do best, and thanks to your video I have a better sense of where they might prefer.
Wonderful to see demonstrated the various contexts paw paw will thrive in! Thank you! Oh, remember back early spring when it rained so much and you were digging out a path for the water to sluice away from your property? Have you any more observations or done any earthworks this summer vis a vis water ways? Love what you two are doing!
We should do some water update videos. Been SO dry this summer that there isn't much to see! But thats the benefit of systems like we're developing, they are there when the rains return...
Lovely path and planting plan.
I planted paw Paw's in shade along a river I expect they'll do well there
Rodney Hall I'm looking for pawpaw seed can you please help me email rhall195556@gmail.com
I just got 8 seeds in the mail, and I know exactly where i can plant them now, thanks to this video!
Hopefully they don't come dry...
@@edibleacres they came moist in a sealed bag with some medium to help retain moisture. They actually came 100% germinated as well with tiny 1mm roots starting, which I thought was quite lucky. I'm taking some risk and direct sowed in their permanent home, but it's a weighed risk compared to my poor handling of seedlings.... Waiting for true leaves and hardening off have been a challenge for me, 50-50 if a seedling survives those stages.
How interesting, thank you for this video. I’m going to try them here in Melbourne Australia. 🇦🇺
Paw Paw it a butterfly host plant too. :)
I didn’t know that. Yet another nice value to this great tree!
Zebra Swallowtail
I really loved seeing all the pawpaws growing here - and seeing so much green forest - especially right in the middle of winter while I am planning pawpaw planting is really good for the soul. 🙂
So it was really useful to hear that Pawpaws like growing in groups (European beech are the same - only happy when their roots are connecting with at least one other beech tree).
So for planning purposes I wanted to ask: in Edible Acres, how close roughly are the pawpaws to each other to count as being in a group as opposed to being alone? Thanks for any help with this, and thanks for all your videos, Sean.
That's a really good question I appreciate the level of detail you're thinking in. I'm not sure I have a very specific number but I feel like little clusters of Pawpaw between 4 to 8 ft apart is a good place to start. Maybe three trees each 6 ft apart and then 15 to 20 ft and another group like that. Push and pull the numbers to fit your needs but just a very basic pattern that feels functional to us
@@edibleacres Thanks very much for this pawpaw spacing info - I will apply it down the bottom of my forest garden where it's not too dry. I am hoping it's moist enough there for the pawpaws; I will probably create some extra small waterways/swales for them to feel really at home.
I actually have a creek running thru our property, I’m gunna plant about 15 seeds near the creek, and plant about 5 bigger trees near it too
Fantastic, good luck!
Thank-you!
My pleasure to share.
In the cool Maritime NW we need to plant them in full sun, (with something to shade the newly planted little tree- like a runner bean tipi- and deinitely best in good deep soil and water the hell out of them the first couple years. Kousa Dogwood fruit can be pretty tasty too! (Needs some selection)
So much great information. Very happy to hear they like black walnut trees and moist soil. I'm more encouraged to plant some. How's the bloom smell?
It's a very strange and funky flower indeed!
@@edibleacres I've read that the flowers smell terrible and not to plant them anywhere near the house.... or places that people spend time.
I was watching this video when my mom (who teaches elementary music) exclaims "I didn't know paw paw trees were a real tree!" and starts excitedly singing the song Bare Necessities. Turns out Baloo is actually a North American black bear living in India. Who knew
My husband just mentioned this same thing to me yesterday!
ive observed the same, they like early shade but also enjoy sun later in life, im expecting mine to finally fruit next year. Ive been told a carrion fly is the primary pollinator of the pawpaws, what do you know about that?
My experience has shown that cane fruits work well as a quickly established shade that allows the young trees to grow in shade for a few years and then easily grow through them and reach full sun. I had trees dying early on but now I'm getting 4-6 ft trees in a few years.
What I know about pollination is you really do want a small thicket if you want good pollination. It takes care of itself if you have a minimum of 3-5 trees in a pocket. I plan on dotting out groups of 5-10 paw paw clumps through our whole property over time...
Two points on pollinating... 1) yes, they are polinated by flies and the trees flower very early in spring, so pollination rates are low. 2) hand pollinating works very well, 2 years ago very few fruits set, then this year with hand pollinating I got a ton. 3) bonus tip:. They require cross plination. Need two different cultivars to pollinate. If you buy named cultivars, need different ones.
@@BrattyHammies Seeds usually sell just as Pawpaws...how do you get 'different ones?' Buy from different sellers and hope the best? Thanks!
@@per2046 from seeds, you should be fine. If growing specific cultivars, you need two different cultivars. I have tried a few of the Peterson ones and they are tastier than the wild ones near me. www.petersonpawpaws.com/
Okay to plant in the shade
Great job! looks good man
Great talks thanks! Would you be inclined to do one on the kousa dogwood and its fruit?
That would be a fun plant highlight in the fall...
I want to grow these!
There are 4 pawpaws growing by a creek that is run-off from a questionable water supply. They are fruiting and I am going to save seeds to plant out this spring.
Go for it! They are not hard to grow from seed. If you search on our youtube channel for paw paw I think we made a video of how we save seed...
Get some Acecap and treat your ash trees in March, fine for wetlands! Look on Amazon, cheap enough that if it fails you aren't out the $300-$500 a tree that arborists want.
In Australia pawpaw is papaya. I’ve learnt a new tree today.
Amy Sternheim looks very different too. This species looks more like tamarind than papaya. Thank you for sharing!
I planted three Paw Paw trees this year. I am pushing their limits, but figured it was worth a shot. I can't really figure out exactly what zone I am in. We get colder that the zone listed for North Idaho.
Worth trying to plant. Plan to provide a nice deep mulch of woodchips and/or leaves this fall around each tree to help keep their roots warmer during their first winter. If they die back to the ground in the spring, give them time as they may very well send up another healthy shoot next year from the stump...
I have a lot of woodchips. @@edibleacres
Try ordering a variety called NC-1.
Very cold hardy if not the most cold-hardy pawpaw.
THank you. I will see if I can find one.@@leefu2000
I just bought one. Thank you so much.@@leefu2000
They can be grown up to zone 4. Stark Bros sells several that will grow in 4, possibly higher not sure
I'm watching the emerald ash borer destroy this beautiful 100 year old ash in my subdivision. It apparently just started it's assault last year or this year because there were no signs of damage until this spring. Being a tree hugger it's heart breaking watching a tree as old and perfect as it be destroyed by a stupid little bug!
I have a Shenandoah pawpaw tree that bloomed this year; however there were no other pawpaws that bloomed to provide cross pollination. Yesterday, I noticed that there were many pawpaw fruit on the tree. This indicates that the tree self pollinated. My assumption is that late blooms provided pollen to pollinate the early blooms.
Interesting observation.
I didn't even realize I had edible fruit and nut trees growing right in my backyard like most of us have never even heard of a pawpaw I can't wait try them when they bloom I have a bunch growing I just thought it was another random inedible fruit tree that only certain animals and birds could eat so I never payed them any attention before.. I also discovered have a walnut tree which once again I thought it was an inedible nut tree so I never payed them any attention when this whole time I could have been harvesting and eat them both.. 😔
Interesting that the tannin/tanic acid from the Black Walnut doesn't affect the PawPaw tree growth!
It seems to actually help it!
I planted 1 paw paw tree about 8 years ago.its 5 feet tall and looks like there are 12 different trees that sprouted from it.is this possible or normal? It's right in the middle of the sun too.great vid
Most likely it sent out suckers, so they are clones of the main plant. I've seen this a number of times. You'll definitely need some more paw paw trees around this clump in order to get pollination... One tree won't make fruit.
@@edibleacres sure it will you have to hand pollinated
I have the worst luck growing paw paw. And they are native to my area!! :O
They like shaded "feet" when establishing.
unless you live in a desert,tundra or tropical region more than likely yes? use deep pots if you propagate them indoors 18 -24 inches deep.
I'm about to be planting some this year here in ohio
Try planting a pawpaw tree using the E.G.W. Blueprint tree planting method !
20 times more growth, within 3 years, by weight ! And earlier flowering !
What is EGW Blueprint tree planting method?
I managed to grow 18 pawpaw from seed last year and have kept 10 of those a live.I am hoping to plant them in the coming spring put only have a one acre homestead and was wondering if they would be ok in an area near my septic tank? I have been told never to plant anything there but I am running out of space for trees and bushes and am hoping to use the space. On a side note the septic area has a huge Hügelkultur mound on top of it that I started three years ago due to the fact that it was a low spot that actually turned into a large puddle/pond after heavy rain. There is also a 40 ft. Black walnut tree that stands approx. 30 feet south of it and provides shade.
I don't want to provide advise around septic stuff, so I won't, except to say that Paw Paws certainly have deep roots, so it may be a questionable approach. You can really plant them close and definitely near the Black Walnut if that helps...
my deer broke a branch of my paw paw can it be saved the tree and the branch? I only have two trees on a small piece of land.
Glad I found this video. Paw Paws are arriving today and I wasn't settled on where to plant. I DO have a large area of huge black walnut trees, nice understory area! Im in zone 7b, Virginia and on water. Wondering if I should move a paw paw that I planted in a dry area (about 5 years ago) which doesn't appear to have grown at all. At that time I was concerned about putting it in shade, thus the location, but now I think it would do better under the walnuts. How big a tap root do you think it has being that it hasn't grown much (if at all) ?
Don't move the older paw paw, they hate being transplanted! BUT, if you have more plants coming in then yes, the walnut context is ideal.
Hi Sean, Have you been harvesting Ash seeds? Cheers, Bill
I haven't saved any seeds. We have enough Ash, and to be honest I'd be OK with less of them.
Hi Sean,
With the emerald ash borer decimating the trees wouldn't it be prudent to store some seeds away? Cheers,
Bill
This guy gives more info the first 2 seconds of his video than the woman with the Paw paw permaculture video (at the 2:20 mark for her)1
So glad you found it useful :)
Old video, but I'm working through the back-catalogue :). Nice to see another favourite permie UA-camr pop up here, too! Only discovered paw paws fairly recently, bummed to find they take so long to produce, I'd better get planting now, I don't even know if I HAVE ten years, but I am just too intrigued at the idea of a tropical fruit in a temperate climate. Do you feel cloned plants will interpollinate readily (to produce fruit), or whether it's better to get them from different sources to ensure genetic diversity? I feel like buying multiple plants from the same nursery might not be a good idea.
I personally (generally) prefer seedlings to work with for most plants. We have seedlings from great parents, and they tend to make great fruit. If you can plant 3-6 seedlings from a good known source you will most likely get the best results.
@@edibleacres Thanks Sean, asimina triloba is quite unusual where I am so it's hard to find any growers, so I will just have to hedge (pun not intended) my bets and buy several trees from different growers and hope for at least one or two keepers I can then graft over or take seed from. Same goes for several other plants I am trying to grow - seaberry, honeyberry, jujube and others. All the best for the new year, your content is highly addictive for some reason, look forward to intently watching you stick twigs in the ground in 2022, too!
I’m thinking of planting some on the east side of my house where they’ll get direct sun in the morning until noon-ish, but be in shade the rest of the day. But once they’re more mature they’ll reach above the house.
Do you think this amount of sun exposure is good for pawpaws?
That sounds reasonable.
Umm I'm in South Carolina and I grow paw pas in sun 8 to 10 hours a day and I grow from seed 3 and a half years later I have 1.5 to 2.4 pound paw pas
THat is amazing so glad they work so well for you!
I have yet to get a Pawpaw to live past 2 years. But I'm not giving up.
Try planting a pawpaw tree using the E.G.W. Blueprint tree planting method !
20 times more growth, within 3 years, by weight ! And earlier flowering !
how much does the walnuts chemicals affect the pawpaw fruit flavor? how would you describe it?
I don't think there is a change in flavor there.
@@edibleacres ok cool
Nice tour. 8 years from seed till fruits is a long time, but well worth the wait I guess? How long would it take from cuttings or other methods? Thanks!
You could buy grafted paw paws that would shorten the wait time a bit. BUT, I'd say getting in the practice of thinking of 5-10 years for plants to begin serious bearing is a reasonable time frame can help quite a bit with all the plantings :)
@@edibleacres Do you sell seeds or plants or can you recommend someone who does?
Would really like to buy some paw paw so that I can plant the seed.
Do you have any insights on how wet a site they can tolerate? I know they like moist soil but how wet is too wet? Most of the test holes I’m digging have worms in them .... if worms are present is it drained enough for pawpaws? Or maybe the presence of other types of plants could be an indicator? What do you think?
I would say if you dig and immediately the hole is nearly filled with water it is pretty darn wet for them, but if you see worms and there isn't standing water everywhere around it seems reasonable.
Where did you get your saplings from? I only know of the tree nursery section at Lowe's, which doesn't offer much selection.
Oikos tree crops originally. Now we grow them from seed. Many goodnurseries out there for sure!
Paw paws do need shaded "feet" to establish.
Can we have beautiful fruits from seedeling without grafting?
Yes. Ideally you are growing out trees that are seedlings of good quality parents and that generally translates to nice fruit on the offspring.
Our yard is protected wetland, cattails invading our lawn. There is an established black walnut of about 8 years though, would the soggy soil be ok for the pawpaws?
Sounds like a reasonable context to try planting them.
They grow well together, actually. Paw-paws arent that affected by whatever miasma that walnut trees give off.
How do you stop the squirrels, and other animals from taking the fruit?
Hopefully we have way more planted than they can get so we get a lot!
How do you propagate them? :)
The seeds require chilling to propagate, maybe more. Check the internet.
I have 10 seedlings. They sure are slow to germinate. They are in 1 gallon pots, Zone 5B.
I have a shaded area where I can establish them.
Is it better to plant them this fall or to over winter them in the pots?
Absolutely better to plant them this fall. Give them deep mulch for the winter and they should be good
Thank you!
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Two questions. Can I grow PawPaw in Montreal Quebec and will a mature fruiting cutting produce the following year?
You should be able to grow them there. I don't believe you'll have success rooting a larger branch with fruiting wood on it and have it establish in a healthy way. That said, why not, give it a shot, but also plan to plant out seedlings!
www.greenbarnnursery.ca/products/paw-paw-taylor
So, not worth trying to grow two?
Certainly worth planting two but you may need to consider hand pollinating if you want a good fruit set. You could always add more trees later and they can be planted closer than normally recommended so the space of two might accommodate four
Thank you. Are they grafted ? Is there males and females ? Do they grow well from seed ?
Not grafted. Not male/female (dioeceous) as far as I know. They grow very well from seed.
@@edibleacres Great ! This fruit is very unknown in Europe, I can't understand why.
We will work on it... :)
Have you seen any zebra swallowtails?
I don't know!
Did your fall sales start? Do you have any pawpaw for sale??
edibleacres.org/purchase/paw-paw We're sold out of a lot of plants already!
do you plan on adding ruminates or rabbits?
At some point. We don't live at this particular site full time so it's not possible just yet.
Do you sell seeds
potentially... email sean @ edibleacres.org and we can chat.
Deer don't touch my blue elderberry trees. I have a lot of tall grass in my property and deer don't seem to like tall grass. Grow some lavender and rosemary surrounding your fruit trees and deer will stay away too.
I really like pawpaw tree, can you give me some seeds of this tree to Vietnam?
I'm afraid we don't ship outside of the country. I hope you can find a good source!
Can you give these things to my friends who is living in U.s
@@MrLapro01 they won't do well in Vietnam. Its too hot and tropical there. It's better to just grow sugar apples and atemoya in tropical areas.
ever grown yellowhorn?
We've got some growing from seed right now. They aren't super vigorous but I'm hoping they may take off.
@@edibleacres I only just learned about them, was gifted a plant recently
Where did you find pawpaws or pawpaw seeds?
We're lucky to have an orchard not very far from us that we can glean the drops from.
@@edibleacres My wife and I were just at a paw paw festival in York pa. They had a paw paw tasting, trees for sale, and paw paws to purchase.
EdibleAcres wow what are the odds
chris k that not to far from me. I’ll look it up thanks!
Do you direct seed the pawpaws?
We generally grow them out in a nursery bed for year one then plant them out. BUT, I also will thumb in seeds in little groups and throw some mulch on top when I'm eating them in the fall in various places I'd like to see them grow. I can't speak to success rate on that since I don't track it carefully...
@@edibleacres awesome, thanks for the reply. I'm limited on time with a newborn so I think I'm going to try Mark Shepards (STUN)method and just direct seed about 100 seeds around my property and hope for a few survivors. It really is an interesting way of looking at things rather than babying a few seedlings.
Your channel is an excellent resource for me I hope to be able to make a living in a similar manner some day. Keep it up!
@@edibleacres btw this video should help with the success of my plants, now i have a good idea on locations to plant.
Thanks for sharing =) Sounds like the perfect plant for us (moist property with ash all around in northern germany - zone 7b)! I have never had pawpaw though. Is it comparable to anything taste wise?
Imagine the flavor of banana, ripe pear, maybe strawberry, maybe papaya, all mixed together with the texture of avocado...
Banana custard the ones I've eaten.
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We’re central ny state zone 5b
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Not sure why I grew up calling Papaya, Paw Paw.
I think 'pawpaw' is a common name for papaya too
I have over 1000 of these trees on my property 😂 more of a weed for me
Last year first time I found PawPaw in wild. It’s so rare in eastern PA
Do you sell seeds
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I'm betting the deer that browse your property taste good...