F-4 Phantom @ Nellis AFB Aviation Nation 2016

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  • QF-4E Phantom
    Aviation Nation 2016
    Nellis AFB Air Show in North Las Vegas, NV
    Saturday & Sunday November 12th & 13th, 2016

КОМЕНТАРІ • 263

  • @slpkntmggt06
    @slpkntmggt06 6 років тому +187

    I don't care what anyone says, there is NOTHING like the sound of two J-79 engines in full burner flying low overhead. Absolute raw POWER!!

    • @brucerobinson7295
      @brucerobinson7295 5 років тому +2

      Austin The J-79 the sound of freedom stay the course Bruce

    • @elainericketts8820
      @elainericketts8820 4 роки тому +3

      You can hear them coming for MILES............

    • @HappiKarafuru
      @HappiKarafuru 4 роки тому +4

      MORE POWA BABY!
      Oh wait wrong video, but who cares :v

    • @Ddg-mi5cs
      @Ddg-mi5cs 3 роки тому +1

      Because you are dumb & inbred, so you think so

    • @jwilson2793
      @jwilson2793 3 роки тому +1

      I see your two J-79s and raise you TWO J58s 😉

  • @paladin0654
    @paladin0654 5 років тому +65

    In 1972 I was on a FSB near Bien Hoa. The sky was full of these in April, all headed north. My favorite jet.

    • @anthonyrone393
      @anthonyrone393 3 роки тому +2

      Thank You for your service... 🇺🇸👌

  • @stryker1999
    @stryker1999 7 років тому +82

    I love the latest generations of fighters. F-15, 16 and 18s are still going strong. But the venerable F-4 Phantom will always hold a special place in my heart as my favorite fighter of all time. One of the greatest fighters in history, and still defending skies overseas after 50 years!

    • @AxCYeR
      @AxCYeR 4 роки тому

      what is "defending skies overseas" supposed to actually mean?

    • @jaceburris2534
      @jaceburris2534 3 роки тому +4

      @@AxCYeR still in service in Japan turkey and some other places. Think Japan is looking to retire them or just recently did though. These planes were/are in service for ~60 years.

    • @nickgrigoriou1643
      @nickgrigoriou1643 3 роки тому +3

      @@jaceburris2534 It's still in service in Greece too, inspite of them recently requiring 24 F-35s.

  • @thor108norse5
    @thor108norse5 3 роки тому +20

    I was a weapons mechanic on load crew . I was the #2 man . I got to sit in the pilot seat and throw the switches . I was Vietnam Era U.S.A.F.. The F-4 will always be a part of me. The fighter jet was a badass and just looked mean . I think my favorite job on the F-4 was at end of the runway pulling the safety pins before flight and installing safety pins so the bird could park on the flight line. Going underneath the F-4 while running at the end of the runway was a powerful experience . That was forty - six years ago . Seems like it was just yesterday . I sure it will be flying through my mind the day I die .

    • @geraldneal2273
      @geraldneal2273 2 роки тому +1

      Me too !! 46270 weapons loading , release , and end of runway duty . Was load crew # 4 jammer driver and then crew chief. lead crew also

  • @jerrymunsch1349
    @jerrymunsch1349 4 роки тому +21

    The first time I ever saw the thunderbirds they flew the F-4E model! That was a show! My hole 20 year career was with the F-4’s, the wild weasel‘s at George or the RF-4 C’s at Bergstrom. There will never be another fighter like the F-4, it can do it all. The most beautiful plane ever!

    • @gordonstephen8329
      @gordonstephen8329 11 місяців тому

      I was also at George from 78-80. I was assigned exclusively to the wild weasels. I was in MA shop. I was near the lox building in 79 when the f4 crashed after takeoff. It flew about 40 feet over my head before crashing

  • @Saltfly
    @Saltfly Рік тому +3

    My dad served on the Saratoga during Vietnam. And all throughout my childhood he would tell us stories about the phantoms. How they had a few close calls with migs and the F4s saved the ship. He also said even when you were below decks, you could tell when the big bad F4s were doin flight ops. He had a thing for the old Phantom. I miss hearing those cool stories of his service on that ship, and of the F4.

  • @AgentPepsi1
    @AgentPepsi1 7 років тому +13

    My father flew the "double-ugly" in the late 1970s and early 80s. He still talks about it today as his favorite airplane. :)

  • @mxstylie312
    @mxstylie312 7 років тому +14

    As a kid who grew up next to MCAS El Toro I say thanks Spencer for this awesome video. I will miss the Phantoms and never forget how awesome they were flying over my house back then.

  • @delten-eleven1910
    @delten-eleven1910 3 роки тому +6

    Just the sight of the live F-4 taxiing in front of the static 4th and 5th gen jets; the offsprings of the Phantom, is something to behold.

  • @kingtigerbooks1162
    @kingtigerbooks1162 2 роки тому +3

    The F-4 Phantom is my favorite jet. It's had an enviable combat record.
    I know a few retired F-4 pilots and the stories they tell are great. The books the retired Phantom drivers write are mind-blowing.
    These are my 3 favorite aviation books:
    - Topgun by Dan Pederson
    - F-4 Phantom: A Pilot's Story by Robert Prest
    - Scream of Eagles by Robert Wilcox
    - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson

  • @marcliebhold9625
    @marcliebhold9625 5 років тому +14

    The McDD F-4 Phantom. I’ve been in love with that aircraft since I was a little kid. Until the day I die!

  • @TheTolz0
    @TheTolz0 4 роки тому +6

    50 years from now the Phantom will still be considered one of the best all timers...the original rock star!!

  • @TheMrmmkkpro
    @TheMrmmkkpro 3 роки тому +1

    I once knew a pilot that said he flew the U-2 as his job, never elaborated, but he did speak of flying other aircraft including the F-4. He said it was like flying a bus, a very powerful and fast bus, he was speaking to the size of the F-4. He also said it was one of his favorite aircraft. I remember being in ROTC in the late 70s, Seymore Johnson still had F-4s and F-16s were coming online, B-52,were there too, as a student it was hard to pay attention in class with these badass aircraft doing touch and go's. Love seeing F-4s, incredible aircraft. Thanks for posting. 👍👍

  • @rlhwabash
    @rlhwabash 7 років тому +13

    USAF 1969-1973 Wild Weasel and proud to be an American. Land of the free that's all Americans. Home of the brave that's all Veterans.

    • @martybarbeau
      @martybarbeau 6 років тому +1

      Was a Crew Chief on the F-4G Wild Weasels from 1979 to 1983 at George AFB California

  • @robertsuhrer5604
    @robertsuhrer5604 7 років тому +3

    One of the coolest looking planes the air. A fantastic warrior that has kept America safe. Nothing looks like a Phantom...

  • @BBslider001
    @BBslider001 6 років тому +11

    My dad's bird when he flew....love that these are still flying!

  • @thecatmasher
    @thecatmasher 6 років тому +8

    it was 37 years of my life, loved this bird, sad it's over

  • @agFinder2
    @agFinder2 7 років тому +3

    Clark AB, '81, 3AGS/CRS, INS/WRCS. These planes are part of the best times of my life. Absolute paradise :D.

  • @btaylo24
    @btaylo24 7 років тому +119

    It will be a sad day when there are no F-4's in the skies!

    • @alitlweird
      @alitlweird 7 років тому +20

      Barry Taylor never mind that....it'll be a sad day when fighter planes become pilotless

    • @camsteremail
      @camsteremail 7 років тому +2

      From what I was told this was the last airshow that this team would be performing in the states Hopefully not.

    • @svenwollenberg8953
      @svenwollenberg8953 7 років тому

      Barry Taylor ...true.!!!!

    • @bigroy38
      @bigroy38 7 років тому +3

      Think the only civilian Phantom is owned by the Collings Foundation.

    • @Tiffnice20
      @Tiffnice20 7 років тому

      bigroy38 still we all miss it

  • @edwardpate6128
    @edwardpate6128 4 роки тому +9

    Hard to believe that at their peak around 1969 or 1970 McDonnell Douglas was cranking out 79 of these a month!

  • @jerryisaacks1655
    @jerryisaacks1655 4 роки тому +4

    Love watching the F-4 Phantoms at Ellington AFB when we were kids! We watched just outside the base at the end of one of the runways next to a sand pit. Come screaming over us with that very distinctive F-4 howl! Best looking warbird ever!

  • @daveculver4350
    @daveculver4350 3 роки тому +1

    Met a QF4 pilot and his mount in 1999 Airshow at Langley. I was amazed at what the pilot knew of the aircraft and its inner workings.

  • @1hornet1
    @1hornet1 4 роки тому +2

    And I don't care what anyone says, The F-4 is beautiful! And I miss her. All of the hers...

  • @bobdyer422
    @bobdyer422 7 років тому +16

    As long as the Collins Foundation has their F-4, 1 will always be flying. I hear they are trying to get a F-101 also. It'll go along with their A-4, and F-100. Excellent vid. Thanks

  • @jamespruitt3159
    @jamespruitt3159 5 років тому +2

    I saw a Phantom coming in to Barksdale AFB for an air show and that was the loudest jet fighter I’ve ever heard! It was right up there with the B-52!

  • @donaldstanfield8862
    @donaldstanfield8862 3 роки тому +2

    J-79s put the Thunder in Thunderbirds!!
    Beautiful video, thank you!

  • @jasonafterburner4596
    @jasonafterburner4596 6 років тому +2

    in the 80es,90es,saw countless Phantoms flying!!
    Sadly,the Times are gone!

  • @ballisticv
    @ballisticv 7 років тому +6

    Excellent video. Always a pleasure to see the Phantom! Thank you!

  • @Desertrat214
    @Desertrat214 6 років тому +2

    Always my favorite aircraft! Worked with a guy that helped develop the nose cone radar atMac Air! Learned more about airplanes from him than I could ever imagine.

  • @duanepalmore38
    @duanepalmore38 7 років тому +5

    Nothing like the "Phantom Howl" when they turn downwind in the pattern.

  • @9Apilot
    @9Apilot 5 років тому +3

    A snapshot of the mid 70's. Nellis had a ramp full of Phantoms.

  • @RSTI191
    @RSTI191 6 років тому +19

    F-4 still in my top 5 and always will be..

    • @MultiDas123
      @MultiDas123 6 років тому +2

      Rst28 it's my number one

    • @martybarbeau
      @martybarbeau 6 років тому +1

      And is in the top ten for speed of all jet fighters!

    • @power_of_Christ_God
      @power_of_Christ_God 5 років тому +1

      Same! I wish they could of made them stealth..

    • @Ddg-mi5cs
      @Ddg-mi5cs 3 роки тому

      Fuck you

  • @skeptical2649
    @skeptical2649 7 років тому +2

    Nice video. Nellis has changed since I was there 50 years ago!

  • @93hshadow
    @93hshadow 7 років тому +2

    brings back a lot of memories...did the f-4c,d,e in phoenix 75 to 78. loved it

  • @TheCraigHudson
    @TheCraigHudson 4 роки тому +1

    Just got back from Nellie 2019 it was without a doubt the best air show I have seen they reanacted close air warfare with eagles hogs raptors uh. 60 s and lightning 2s. So awesome.

  • @charliehansen2192
    @charliehansen2192 7 років тому +15

    I think I'm going to cry. RIP, F-4 Phantom. Man, I can't believe it's the final flight for this jet.

  • @xmrrushx
    @xmrrushx 6 років тому +1

    Sitting here watching Spencer's Train vids with my son and I'm like..hey I wonder if someone has an F-4 Phantom air show.... Search and this is what comes up. Spencer never fails. Keep up the good work.

  • @Glenn6one9
    @Glenn6one9 7 років тому +15

    I was there!! My 1st time seeing a Phantom FLY!! So awesome!

  • @ricksprings
    @ricksprings 4 роки тому +2

    Heard these were strongest and most durable jets in US history... these were de-commed when I served USN 97-06, AO, loved the F4, but F-14 breaking sound barrier at sea level & sonic boom rippling on water surface during calm sea was top 5 awesome thing I've ever seen.....Remarkable naval aviation F-4 Phantom & A-6s also...... missed out on 2 great jets

  • @straightshootingtalk6715
    @straightshootingtalk6715 7 років тому +3

    Very well done video. And a classic warbird! Thank you.

  • @martinh.9834
    @martinh.9834 4 роки тому +2

    I love this bird so much😍👍👍👍 Thx for this video😊

  • @TheMustang137
    @TheMustang137 7 років тому +8

    Thank you spencerhughes2255........ your airshow videos are the best!

    • @TheMustang137
      @TheMustang137 7 років тому +5

      The F4 Phantom is one of my all time favorite fighter jets!

    • @winfriedfischer3558
      @winfriedfischer3558 7 років тому

      TheMustang137 , yes i egree. I did. Sometimes exercises with C 160 escorted by F 4 f from Neuburg, Germany. Greetings from an old Commander C160 from Landsberg AB.

    • @keithglass9367
      @keithglass9367 7 років тому

      TheMustang137 same with me. my all time favorite is the F-15 but this one is up there I only saw it once but man that thing ripped up the skies

  • @Nolib
    @Nolib 11 місяців тому

    77-81 proud member of VF-102 F-4J’s. USS Independence CV-62. AO-2, launching off carrier in afterburner standing 20 feet away would make your teeth rattle. Awesome sight.

  • @billbright1755
    @billbright1755 7 років тому +1

    There's a F-4 in Thunderbirds colors at Pima air museum. Along with many rare and historic air craft.
    1,2,3,4,5,6,7, all right Thunderbirds, let's run 'em up!

    • @billbright1755
      @billbright1755 7 років тому +1

      F-4 Mc Donald Douglas, a steed of Robin Olds.

    • @jeffjoseph
      @jeffjoseph 7 років тому +1

      McDonnell . EX MAC Tech Rep.

  • @andstr9802
    @andstr9802 5 місяців тому +1

    My favourite since I was a little boy many many years ago

  • @mhos6940
    @mhos6940 5 років тому +2

    Great video!!! Love those Phabulous Phantoms!!! 👍

  • @bradviola874
    @bradviola874 Рік тому

    My first Red Flag was at Nellis...blacked flagged to South Korea...SSGT crewchief/mechanic F-4 was a close girlfriend.. Slept under, ate under it and she raised pure hell when needed!!

  • @gooniac33
    @gooniac33 7 років тому +5

    I was there and loved every minute of it!! This was my one hearing protection fail.... And it was worth it!!!

    • @martybarbeau
      @martybarbeau 6 років тому +1

      You haven't lived until you're holding a center line fuel tank up with your ear muffs around your neck and then you look down the runway at the end and see two F-4's getting ready to launch and all you can do is cringe, I probably still have some hearing loss due to it! Oh and that big bomb looking thing under it's belly IS the centerline external fuel tank, they also have wing external fuel tanks for longer sorties!

  • @CATdozerboy12
    @CATdozerboy12 5 років тому +1

    Sitting next to an f-22, f-35, and a super hornet. Definitely got that "watch this kiddos" vibe

  • @crazydaisy1334
    @crazydaisy1334 Рік тому +1

    Greatest fighter jet … ever!
    Pound for pound!

  • @19553129
    @19553129 5 років тому +3

    Love the sound of those J79’s cranked up.

  • @archiecunningham3734
    @archiecunningham3734 4 роки тому +3

    This plane represents American muscle. My childhood favorite

  • @65thaggressor54
    @65thaggressor54 2 роки тому

    This was the last public display of a usaf phantom. I was there for both days and what a privilege.

  • @JuanVega-ns5ok
    @JuanVega-ns5ok 2 роки тому

    Still the baddest looking plane in my opinion. I loved it when they were used by the USAF Thunderbirds in the early 70’s.

  • @Kaledrums
    @Kaledrums 6 років тому +3

    The prettiest girl on the flight line that day hands down.

  • @delten-eleven1910
    @delten-eleven1910 6 років тому +2

    Still commands respect as she taxis by her USAF and NAVY succesors...an icon of the jet age.

  • @djw6430
    @djw6430 5 років тому

    While an infantry officer in the Corps, tried without success to get a ride in the "back seat." A very short and thin Huey pilot I knew at the time, who lost over 20 pounds in 'Nam in his first two months, opted for F-4 training when ordered to go back. He loved the Phantom. If I were capable of envy, this I would envy. Only other plane I like as much is the P-38 Lightning. Sure would be nice if a billionaire or two would take up antique plane collecting.

  • @sanfranciscobay
    @sanfranciscobay 7 років тому +2

    The J79 turbine engine which the F4 Phantom has 2 of them, burns 1.5 - 2 gallons per second per engine in full afterburner. So, when you see the orange glow coming from the exhaust pipe, it's burning 3 - 4 gallons per second combined at $5 per gallon of jet fuel.

    • @duanepalmore38
      @duanepalmore38 7 років тому +2

      If you ever stood in the hush house when the run man cracked 'burner, you came to appreciate their power.

    • @sanfranciscobay
      @sanfranciscobay 7 років тому +1

      Duane Palmore. I can imagine. You probably feel thankful that it didn't explode.

    • @duanepalmore38
      @duanepalmore38 7 років тому

      SanFranciscoBay I've never heard of that happening. I was speaking to the amount of air the engines draw when the throttles are advanced.

    • @slpkntmggt06
      @slpkntmggt06 6 років тому +1

      SanFranciscoBay I'd pay out of my own pocket just to fuel this jet if I could. The Phantom is a true legend.

  • @19553129
    @19553129 4 роки тому +2

    Love the sound!

  • @87SRV
    @87SRV 7 років тому +3

    I would always see phantoms fly over when I was little I lived near Ellington field and would hear that whistling sound

  • @russouk
    @russouk 6 років тому +1

    One of my fave jets....lovely looking bird shes sexy....the low sloped nose and the shape....just made for speed...RAF used to fly em over my house regular.....Indeed Barry Taylor I agree...unmistakable sounds....and looks.

  • @billvalentine2439
    @billvalentine2439 7 років тому +5

    I was at the show,this bird is beautiful!!!

  • @davidbarbour9929
    @davidbarbour9929 2 роки тому

    I live near Seymour Johnson AFB, back when these were flying you could here them and see them coming. They were loud and always smoking like they were burning used grease rags. But they were a sight to see flying almost everyday.

  • @F22raptor46
    @F22raptor46 7 років тому +13

    I feel so miserable for having missed this!!

  • @captainbuttnuggets4786
    @captainbuttnuggets4786 5 років тому +1

    Reminds of a sexy muscle car, miss seeing these birds flying around in Niagara Falls 107th fighter division

  • @briancarothers1576
    @briancarothers1576 7 років тому +5

    PHANTOMS PHOREVER!!!

  • @johnosbourn4312
    @johnosbourn4312 7 років тому +6

    FANTASTIC VIDEO!!!!!!!!! Also, Spencer, do you know the fate of the final 8 QF-4'S from the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron?

  • @WS-1
    @WS-1 5 років тому +1

    F4`s forever !

  • @atheeraljubouri5403
    @atheeraljubouri5403 3 роки тому

    One of best looking aircrafts of all time.

  • @HappiKarafuru
    @HappiKarafuru 6 років тому +2

    This aircraft can describe in one phrase
    "Raw Power"

  • @librandancer
    @librandancer Рік тому

    Nice ... thank you for posting this video

  • @mug12341
    @mug12341 7 років тому +5

    Awesome show!

    • @patriotsfan1236
      @patriotsfan1236 7 років тому +1

      Anthony Cornelius seriously if you like military aviation it was better than miramar in my opinion

  • @coldude2559
    @coldude2559 7 років тому +6

    what a gorgeous aircraft!

  • @haneyoru0826
    @haneyoru0826 2 роки тому

    Old but gold

  • @allenchandler3488
    @allenchandler3488 2 роки тому

    Love the phantom. Great close air support act. Semper fi

  • @pandamanjoe9664
    @pandamanjoe9664 3 роки тому

    Who ever is operating the camera they did a hell of a job doing it

  • @richardcoram1562
    @richardcoram1562 3 роки тому

    Up close front row seat of this this model jet in action several times, while doing convoys in Vietnam. This monster would just show up unexpectedly and lay down some massive hurt on the Viet Cong . They missed a few of the enemy at Ben Luc , and just after we traveled across the Bridge on highway 4 that day in '68 on a convoy supply run from Dong Tam base near My Tho, to Long Binh the Cong dropped the Ben Luc Bridge into the river. It's flyin..Low , slow and smoked like a brand new locomotive ✌🇺🇸

  • @mattrichards1492
    @mattrichards1492 2 роки тому

    Twin J79s! Never will hear anything like those screaming again....sad. Best jet ever.

  • @dawightg9787
    @dawightg9787 3 місяці тому

    The problem In Vietnam was that the pilots wasn’t trained to maneuver the phantoms in Dogfights because of the Top Brass BVR ONLY Doctrine. However a Bait And Switch happened and Pilots found themselves engaging in visual range fights with no maneuvering training and missiles that failed. However when you did have pilots who knew how to maneuver the phantoms they became ACEs and Robin Olds the leader of operation BOLO took out half of the most advanced MIG21 fleet in 13 minutes! How? Because he knew how to Dogfight! Captain Frank Ault did a report called the Ault Report showing the problem was with pilot training and missile failures. Captain Dan Pedersen the founder of Top Gun armed with this report stated training phantom pilots on how to Dogfight in a school called fighter weapons school. These trained phantom pilots took the kill ratio from 2:1 to 24:1 in the phantoms by the end of Vietnam! However this new ratio with trained phantom pilots is never mentioned!

  • @Indarow
    @Indarow 2 роки тому

    That engine startup = instant nostalgia from “Threshold: The Blue Angels Experience”

  • @joe25rs
    @joe25rs 7 років тому +1

    Great video!

  • @KyleWynia
    @KyleWynia 7 років тому +1

    awesome video. Wish I could have been there

  • @danpatterson8009
    @danpatterson8009 4 роки тому +1

    Still #1 in badass.

  • @Darknamja
    @Darknamja 6 років тому +1

    You can clearly see those leading edge slats of the F-4E on the first bird during takeoff. :D

  • @jbizzle9984
    @jbizzle9984 3 роки тому

    Its amazing the size and thickness of the plane, yet its able to carry a massive bomb load.

  • @deborahamazonamazon2900
    @deborahamazonamazon2900 7 років тому +1

    Miss these sounds from MCAS El Toro

  • @terrygoldfarb2631
    @terrygoldfarb2631 7 років тому

    NAVY rag squadron VF121 out of Miramar. the best time of my life!!

  • @keithabrams5980
    @keithabrams5980 2 роки тому

    This F4 is from Tyndall AFB, Fla.

  • @Lonehelljumper
    @Lonehelljumper 4 роки тому +1

    Always loved this plane growing up, there isnt anything like a flying brick lol.

  • @davidgilbert6711
    @davidgilbert6711 4 роки тому

    Wish we had a solo phantom display in uk but doubt it we to soft to pull something like that off nice video mate

  • @tflashtube
    @tflashtube Рік тому

    Phantom Phorever!

  • @catfish252
    @catfish252 4 роки тому +1

    It sad to see the old girl looking so ragged, it was such a beautiful plane when she was in her prime.

    • @franklincathcart5683
      @franklincathcart5683 4 роки тому +1

      That was one of our better looking jets. We had to replace the stab a few months before, that is why it was orange. We canned it off a non flyable drone.

  • @Carp5586
    @Carp5586 3 роки тому

    An incredible killing machine. Checkout the exhaust at 4:47. Damn.

  • @chrispydalt2kgaming876
    @chrispydalt2kgaming876 7 років тому +3

    That's awesome!

  • @hermannengel8613
    @hermannengel8613 3 роки тому

    Ich liebe die Phantom

  • @gjam1617
    @gjam1617 6 років тому

    Pilots of the F-4: "Mannnn, didn't know grandad had to deal with all these instruments, and very low visibility in the cockpit. Much respect, But glad my F-22 is more advanced"

  • @bygabyyt1423
    @bygabyyt1423 5 років тому +7

    Who is watching this after War Thunder announced the F-4C?

    • @thomaswhalen3703
      @thomaswhalen3703 4 роки тому +1

      nvrmind that, theres now the F4E and it wrecks everything!

    • @bt_the_yank6234
      @bt_the_yank6234 4 роки тому +1

      Now we got like 7 f104s being added. Be ready for the howl

  • @ChrisZoomER
    @ChrisZoomER 3 роки тому

    My cousin used to fly the F4 as he was a fighter pilot.

  • @divinuminfernum
    @divinuminfernum 3 роки тому +2

    lol that sad fragile money pit the F-35 there in the background, while the decades long workhorse, a true marvel of aircraft design, the F-4 rolls past

  • @cathydiaz3966
    @cathydiaz3966 6 років тому +2

    The actual demo starts at 4:06

    • @spinynorman887
      @spinynorman887 3 роки тому

      Did we really need three whole minutes of watching a Phantom sitting in the chocks? I don't think so!