I don't want a "gaming chair" but they are also one of the only desk/office chairs that still have non mesh backs. I've been using a falling apart chair for years cause I can't find a good chair without a mesh back and bottom (and solid arm rests). If I can't find one soon I might have to get a gaming chair that I don't like just because it's the only option
I’m sitting on a kitchen chair that’s about 30-35 years old. While visiting a friend I tested his Aeron and it felt absolutely heavenly, like I was floating. Good chairs are worth the price. Can anyone explain the difference between the Rythm and the Sync fabric for the Embody?
So what chair would you say provides the best back support while sitting upright? I want a chair that keeps me sitting upright at a 90° angle and doesn't lean back even a little, unless I release the tension obviously. Sick of these chairs that don't even touch my back if I'm sitting upright.
What’s the point of having a recline feature without a high back/headrest? I like to recline every so often when I’m at my desk, and doing so in a chair without a high back or headrest just doesn’t feel right. Some of these ergonomic chairs need to add this if they’re going to add a reclining feature
Agreed. I have found several chairs that would almost be perfect if they didn't kill my neck due to a lack of neck support. Even the Herman Miller I use at work only has the neck support as an add-on feature, and while it is good for work, it's not something I would want to recline on for extended periods of time, such as to watch a movie. It's just a little too short for that.
I have had my Secret Labs Titan for 4 years and it still looks and feels new. I also bought my Wife and Brother Secret Labs chairs because I was so impressed with their build quality and and quality of materials used. Steel construction, M5 stainless steel fine thread hardware and firm chair padding. I had owned 4 or 5 other brand chairs over the course of 10 years as a result of failure in the building materials or the gas cylinder dying. This Titan (rated for over 300lbs) hasn't failed anywhere in 4 years. 2 important things I would point out is they are firm like a Car seat. So if you are looking for a cushy padded chair this is not for you. The 2nd is they offer their chairs in a Fabric material, anyone that has owned a PU leather chair knows what a nightmare it is when it starts peeling not to mention how bad it looks. With Secret Labs chairs they offer the option to get it in Fabric which honestly was a big sales feature for me. With all of this said, they are not cheap, I paid $600 Canadian for this chair but if it is in your budget you will be getting something that will last a long time.
If you want something that is going to offer longevity, then don't get a racing chair. The Titan is the most well-built racer, but there are plenty of points of potential failure, which is probably why they only offer a 3-5-year warranty. Same with the car seat comparison. I think you are way off base here. My car seat is very comfortable, and it is soft in the seat and back. It has an open backrest design and doesn't feel like it is restrictive. Secret Lab chairs are hard. There is no other way to describe it. And the backrest frame is very restrictive compared to my car seat. The Secret Lab chairs look like car seats but they do not feel close to any car seat I have ever used. -Ryan
Hello guys, I'm a gamer, and I've sat in 2 different gaming chairs since 2018 1 cheap 1 expensive, and the first one also used as a reference in the video was a gt racing chair, same color too! I used it for 2 years until it broke, it was relatively comfortable just a bit too stiff. it got to a point where I was just sitting on the frame then the whole left side came apart and I could tell it was made out of some cheap metal, and It was about 150$ to 200$. I would only recommend cheap gaming chairs to people who aren't going to sit in them long but the thing is your paying for comfort so you might as well get something good right? That goes to my next purchase a red 2020 mesh/puleather dxracer chair I still have it right now and have used it for 4 years and it's finally giving out after a long hard battle with my rear end! The mechanism that leans back on the right side starting giving out which isn't even really the chairs fault because I've been rough with her lately but I can easily replace the mechanism for 30 dollars on Amazon which I might do, but there's a couple ware and tear type issues that were bound to happen like scuffs on the leather where it show sued leather underneath. And because of my man spreading I've practically worn down the fluff on the side of the chair, but overall the chair is still booty worthy! I was contemplating buying a new chair which is why I'm here, but I'm going to ride or die with this chair till she gives out and also I love the mesh part of the chair it keeps you cool all day. I spent 350 bucks on that chair and do not regret it! One last thing to note is the chair I currently have is no longer available for purchase. It might have something to do with changing their style to fit competitors like secret labs, like if you look at dx racers drifting series chairs you'll see what I'm talking about. anyways happy sitting you guys!
6:47 I'll repeat the comment I made on a similar video of you: A bucket seat design does not even make sense for a racing sim setup. This as the only major force you need to stop is the straight on braking and the turning of the force feedback wheel. The latter does not push you to the side much either, except in extreme cases of powerful wheelbases set at a high setting. Except when going all the way with a full five point harness, motion and/or such overpowered wheelbases, an office or normal ergonomic chair makes more sense. And in such extreme cases, you need a specialised sim racing seat, not a gaming chair which fakes the features you would actually need poorly. Currently my racing sim setup is just my desk with a wheelbase bolted to it and a block behind the rolling base to allow for braking. Which works fine with the lighter pedals and base I have, even the turning chair base is not a problem, but if I upgrade it I will need some custom build thing. Even then, I will simply bolt an old second-hand office chair to a self-made wooden frame, for the greater comfort, since I do not need the overly restrictive bolstering. Sim racing is a hobby for me, I do not care for scraping out the best times, I just enjoy slowly improving my control and awareness for the sake of it. If I ever do get a track car, only then will I accept such ergonomic compromises, in the usecase where they actually make sense and prevent much worse.
As a European, I find that none of your suggestions below $900 are currently available for purchase here, except for the Ticova. I really appreciate your reviews, but I often find that Europeans need to pay much more for the same products, which sometimes makes your reviews less relevant for us. Do you have any recommendations for chairs available to Europeans under $600?
Just a followup info, just in case your not aware: colamy atlas: is allways at a preordre state in eu, however we can only preorder sometimes, and when we can the price is above 400 Euro (same for cletina mellet is like 420 Euro) Eurotech does not deliver to EU. Haworth actually have a EU shop, however the Soji is not available in the EU shop. OM dosn't deliver to EU. Your refurbished chairs dosn't deliver to EU.
BTOD is in US, where they kind of always have net price, because you pay taxes yourself, so europe automatically have +23% in case of my country (Poland), so you always have to expect like +25% premium on top of what you can see from US
Similar in Australia. We have a downgraded Fern with a plastic base that is routinely sold with only height-adjustable arms. It’s possible to procure an upgrade but NO digital knits anywhere. And although Steelcase and Herman Miller are available, the only place to try them is a questionable Facebook Marketplace second hand seller. They just don’t have them in shops.
Awesome video. Although I'm having a hard time finding any of these options in Australia, while maintaining a reasonable budget of $300-400AUD. I keep seeing Shioo on Amazon, do you recommend something like the M18 or stay away?
Great advice. I went from a SecretLabs Titan to a proper ergonomic chair and now have no pain. Just a note, you should hire someone taller and bigger. I can never know what to make of a review etc when it's a little person doing it.
Could you image hiring people because they were short skinny, medium height fat, tall at about 194 lbs, etc all to suit the needs of our audience. You guys are funny with these requests. It's hard enough finding people who are willing to go on camera, let along pick them based on their height and weight -Greg
@@btodtvya i can imagine that, many listings for those exact requirements online for modeling gigs… kinda like what this vid does… uses someone that models the chair’s features
@@BrockettRocket01I think that comment may have been a little bit insulting to their staff. They're a furniture company after all, and making UA-cam videos is not their primary form of business. They're not exactly going to hire models to only demo these chairs for each new video.
@@btodtvone last question since I'm in Europe and there is no atlas available until October, is the tivova better in the lumbar support than the Sihoo m18 because that back support sucked i tried it and it was painful, is the same or better in the tivova?
I just ordered the autofill m6 ultra white. I can’t find a review by your channel and I trust your groups opinions above anyone’s atm. Has anyone gotten or tried it? And if I’m lucky enough to get feedback from the channel, is it worth it?
Selecting a chair based on reviews is simply not the reality of getting chair comfort. Typically, opinions are dependent on individuals weight/height and more of an subjective opinion for personal comfort. I would argue that features is also fundamental for personal comfort. Mentioned in the video, but NOT available with the selected chairs is the flat back recline option. Due to the location of the connecting base to the chair. They could have modified the connection enabling more features with stronger support for little cost. At any rate they look good and likely better than most "gamming chairs"...mind you that's not hard to beat.
Have you guys tested the COLAMY 275lbs Executive High Back Mesh Office Chair with Footrest Model.2577''? It's priced the same as the Kirin but seems to have a bit more features besides seat depth. Been watching a lot of your videos for the past few days, but just cannot decide on what to try/get. Also as a European a lot of chairs aren't available here, and I would like to see more chairs specifically aimed at shorter people.
I have the razer iskur. The cushion on the bottom makes me feel like I'm sitting on concrete and makes my hips and tail bone hurt. It's so uncomfortable my staples gaming chair has a soft cushion on the bottom and way more comfortable. I'm looking at getting rid of the razer and want one similar to the staples one.
when will big and tall be a factor, im aware the gusture and embody are the best, I can afford them new as well. BUT the only chair that ive found that fits me is the secretlab xl... and I dont find it very comfortable. Answer that question for the dudes 6'2" plus or for those guys that are heavy set too
There are niche companies who make big and tall office chairs, but they are usually very expensive. However, they are astronomically better than the Titan.
Im on a tight budget , I wanted something like the Tikova but i really want a footrest. Is there any chair you would advise that has it? Thank you for the video, it helps!
A chair that has a footrest? No good one. I have an Embody and use it at a kitchen table I work on with a $30 footrest that allows me to raise the chair to the kitchen table height. For gaming I move back from the table, lower the chair and don't need a footrest (although my chunky slides help).
@@formulaic78 hey thanks for the reply! ill see... I dont need something gooooooood, i just want something that doesnt break in an year and allows me to rest a bit when doing mental work.a foot and head rest and some horizontalization ? that would be nice . lol
Kind of confused with this. Why would you want a chair to move while you're sitting in it? If I'm in a chair, weather leaning forward or back, I want the chair to be cushy, but, I don't want the actual frame of the thing to flex around. Maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way, but whenever I'm just about to pull the trigger on one of the highly recommended office chairs I get completely turned off by how tiny and not padded they look. I must have had a Herman Miller Embody in my shooping cart a dozen times, but I'm turned off by the fact that I could not imagine leaning way back and curling up to read in so tiny a chair. I've read the argument about how they're "comfortable like a hammock", but I don't sleep in a hammock, I sleep on a mattress because its both firm and well padded. Do I think a "gaming" chair will be more comfortable, no, probably not, but I see these very small, slim, not padded office chairs suggested as most comfortable and I just cannot see it at all.
Cant find any used embodys or a company that ships to my country(Europe, Romania). I spent hours over hours for a decent price, but they are like 1600 to 1900 for used ones (1900 being a used, without warranty logitech embody)
It's still WILD to me that a whole segment of chairs for use AT HOME is based on a seating style built for a specific type of athlete to be secure during a specific activity. In no way does this represent gaming!
Hello! I can't get any of those chairs cause reasons or overpriced as hell, but I can get the Amia Air with all steelcase policies and stuff, my question is, would that chair work as a gaming chair? I was checking and is different from the Amia you show, so I am not sure if I should get it or just get an used SC Think V1 and let it go...
I wish all Gamer kids would watch this video. To me, it’s been obvious since forever that when it comes to anything outside peripherals, ‚Gaming‘ has simply been a huge marketing gimmick, but if it goes so far that they can be called scams like in this case, it’s really disheartening to see
Facts, the only gaming peripherals I currently own are a mouse, keyboard and headset. I'd say gaming mice, keyboards and monitors are probably the only things which aren't complete marketing gimmicks. I plan on replacing my headset sometime in the future, as I'm aware that the sound quality doesn't compare with audiophile brands.
In my experience, gaming chairs are really good for reclining back and putting my feet up on my desk while watching UA-cam. As far as anything else, I'll stick to my Leap V2 from BTOD! Racer gaming chairs, just suck, the leather cracks, they are a pain to dust, and they are so rigid, it makes it pretty tough to get comfortable. Almost like the whole concept of a racing style seat is to keep you in place while cornering lol! I'm glad to see good chairs like the Fern and Embody taking on "gaming" themes. The market is heading in the right direction with that.
Great video, loads of informative content. Would love a more Europe/International focused recommendation video since a lot of the recommendations on your channel aren't available in Europe. I did tons of research and was unable to find Steelcase, Haworth, etc that you recommend with various upgrades and such in Europe, or that shipped to my location in Europe (Ireland). Haworth for example only sold their absolute basic version of the Fern, and I've found information that indicate the service in Europe was poor. Eventually found a German website that shipped an Embody to Ireland but this was difficult to navigate to, and the Gaming variant seems impossible to get in Europe. Keep up the informative videos.
My Ticova broke within a year - back recline no longer locks in place. Even before that I was not happy with it, it creaked terribly and I could never get the lumbar adjustment quite right. I've now gone for the opposite end of the scale in terms of cost and so far not regretting it.
None of your top picks include a high back with a headrest. After saying you understand how important it is to a lot of people, you proceed to not give any options for chairs with a headrest. Shame you don't mention the Fractal Refine at all...
I also would never pay that much for an Embody either, lol. It's around £1570 in the UK, whereas I only paid £1100 for my Aeron (with interest-free finance). But it does sometimes have a nice 30% discount, which absolutely puts it in a much more respectable price point. Are you planning on getting a new chair or just casually looking?
Unfortunately I feel that the only chair I "fit in" is a SecretLab Titan Evo XL. I'm an amateur bodybuilder that is 6'6". I have sat in so many "ergo" office chairs that practically go to mid thigh and or my shoulder blades go over the back rest. You guys should make a video for chairs for taller users! @BTODtv
There are Big + Tall office chairs available from brands like Lifeform, but it's a niche market and usually pretty expensive. Although, I did come across a company called KAB, who make these high-back 24/7 controller chairs. I'd reckon those would be 100x better than the Titan.
I just miss the recline from gaming chairs. I love my Fern and all, but I wish I could lean back more than 125 degrees. I have my bed right next to my desk and whenever I want to relax and chill I put my legs on it, but the max recline is just not enough to get comfortable + after a while my back starts to hurt. I know office chairs aren't meant for that kind of stuff, but it's at times like these that I wish I still had my old dx racer chair in which I could lean back much further and get comfy without any back pain.
This guy clearly doesn't understand how real people use chairs. The positions shown at 2:24 are what real gamers do. The movement he uses to test every chair (shown at 2:37) is not a movement I've ever done while using a chair for any purpose. If I need to stretch, I'll stand up for 2 seconds (gasp!) and then sit back down. Spending $1000 to avoid that, in favor of unnatural stretches while sitting down, is just dumb
That's because those are movements office workers do with chairs that are literally designed to be loose and flexible. Garming chair habits are dumb and terrible for your back, and brands like Secretcrap promoting that behaviour is the problem. Gaming chairs shaped like racing seats makes no sense, because you're literally stationary at a desk, and are therefore at no risk of falling out. How often do gamers actually get up from their chairs and stretch their backs like you claim to do?
Got my gaming embody about a week ago. Watching this video in bed, and the biggest difference since getting the embody is when I get into bed at night. Instead of my spine painfully decompressing for an hour, it feels normal.
I actually found the embody painful on my lower back for the first six months or so and still find the backrest pretty hard when I recline. But I'm quite certain my back is in better condition now than before I bought it and my sitting posture has vastly improved.
@@truuuupRKeep telling yourself that lie, even when it's made a physical difference to a lot of ppl. Your body can't just ignore pain, just because you've got an expensive chair, biology doesn't work like that. Also, your UA-cam comment history shows that you like to shit on the Embody and other high end office chairs in general. Maybe stop watching these videos if they trigger you so much?
More than half the list cost more than half a grand. This is a horrible video, if you’re spending more than $500 on a chair then you don’t care about a budget making this video irrelevant
You forgot to mention the most important fact, and that's that most of these "gaming" chairs are made in China and you can get them from the likes of AliExpress or AliBaba for the price as low as 40$ a piece. Then all you need to do is slap your brand sticker or ask them to engrave it, and you are good to go. Charge anywhere from 100$ to 500$ and you are golden. And don't forget to add "gaming" flash to your adds campaign. That's a free "start your own business" right there.
Gaming chairs are made for looks, comfort is impossible when they all use metal plates you sit on through the very thin foam cushion. I notice videos like this ALWAYS look at lumbar support as the only real importance, but never take into consideration the actual seat. Mainly because the reviewers are all 150lbs and while not a comfortable truth, there are a lot of people who are more like 250lbs. Chair reviews by people who don't take into consideration all weight types are irrelevant IMO - no offense.
@freedom_fighta There was a video I remember watching a few years ago, where this South African guy was reviewing the HM Cosm, but I'm not entirely sure if he was living somewhere else. I just checked the name of the channel, and it's called Hans Haupt, and according to the channel data he lives in South Africa.
Gamer chairs are designed to gouge money out of gamers by appealing to their lizard brains. Office chairs are designed for people to be able to sit in them all day and year long without wanting to jump out of their office window. Buy an office chair, something that actually allows air to reach your back and is built ergonomically.
I bought 2 months ago my first ergonomic chair, and its not for me. I sold it yesterday and ordered again gaming chair. It better suits my needs. Ergonomic chairs force you to sit in right position which i never do. I like sometimes to put my feet on the chair,cant do that on mesh chair. In 2 months mesh got litle scufed from my jeans,belt and other hard clothes. I use my pc 99% for gaming,mostly almost lying in chair with controler in hands and legs up, which i couldnt do i ergonomic chair. Fixed hedrest was not good if i lay down. Ergonomic office chairs are only good for people that sit in right position, doing office work or play games in front of pc with mouse and keyboard.
I mean, it seems like a you problem tbh. Not sitting properly on a chair is something that's going to harm you in the long term, and these gaming chairs promote poor seating habits all too well. I also game with my controller on PC sometimes, but thanks to my Aeron's smooth recline motion I feel comfortable and relaxed.
It's still a fucking racing seat ffs. It could be made out of clouds and still be hot garbage, because the overall design is still nonsensical for a desk chair. Why do you guys not understand that?
@@WolfOfJustice You do realize that they sell a ton of those chairs. I'm sure you and every other office chair snob are enjoying your superiority complex, but Secretlab is laughing all the way to the bank. You would think that if the chairs really were so terrible they wouldn't sell so many.
@bonanzabrandon6877 Just because ppl keep buying garbage doesn't make it a good product. Secretcrap is a master at marketing hype, and they easily dupe ppl into buying their chairs over vastly superior options, even at the same price - I almost made that mistake. I bet you don't even have a clue how racing seats became gaming chairs in the first place, because if you had any idea how it came about, you'd see why BTOD constantly criticise them.
@@bonanzabrandon6877Do you work for Secretlab? You seem to have the utmost joy in their success at parting fools with their money. I don't give a shit if they sell well, that doesn't say anything about how good their chairs actually are. A lot of women in the UK drive Fiat 500s, even though it's well documented to be an unreliable price of crap, so just because something is successful doesn't mean it's any good.
trully marvelous youtube moment, hide whole list at the end with "watch next" segment, which in the past could have been hidden, but not anymore
Sorry! Fixed - RG
0:00 ok so what if i am sitting on a plastic chair with a blanket on it from the dumpster?
Every chair is different for users. My Herman Miller Aeron gives me hip pain
I don't want a "gaming chair" but they are also one of the only desk/office chairs that still have non mesh backs. I've been using a falling apart chair for years cause I can't find a good chair without a mesh back and bottom (and solid arm rests). If I can't find one soon I might have to get a gaming chair that I don't like just because it's the only option
I’m sitting on a kitchen chair that’s about 30-35 years old. While visiting a friend I tested his Aeron and it felt absolutely heavenly, like I was floating.
Good chairs are worth the price.
Can anyone explain the difference between the Rythm and the Sync fabric for the Embody?
@@fatalist6262 i’m the opposite , i sat in an arron for awhile and thought the kitchen chair was heaven LOL.
So what chair would you say provides the best back support while sitting upright? I want a chair that keeps me sitting upright at a 90° angle and doesn't lean back even a little, unless I release the tension obviously. Sick of these chairs that don't even touch my back if I'm sitting upright.
What’s the point of having a recline feature without a high back/headrest? I like to recline every so often when I’m at my desk, and doing so in a chair without a high back or headrest just doesn’t feel right. Some of these ergonomic chairs need to add this if they’re going to add a reclining feature
Agreed. I have found several chairs that would almost be perfect if they didn't kill my neck due to a lack of neck support.
Even the Herman Miller I use at work only has the neck support as an add-on feature, and while it is good for work, it's not something I would want to recline on for extended periods of time, such as to watch a movie. It's just a little too short for that.
I have had my Secret Labs Titan for 4 years and it still looks and feels new. I also bought my Wife and Brother Secret Labs chairs because I was so impressed with their build quality and and quality of materials used. Steel construction, M5 stainless steel fine thread hardware and firm chair padding. I had owned 4 or 5 other brand chairs over the course of 10 years as a result of failure in the building materials or the gas cylinder dying. This Titan (rated for over 300lbs) hasn't failed anywhere in 4 years. 2 important things I would point out is they are firm like a Car seat. So if you are looking for a cushy padded chair this is not for you. The 2nd is they offer their chairs in a Fabric material, anyone that has owned a PU leather chair knows what a nightmare it is when it starts peeling not to mention how bad it looks. With Secret Labs chairs they offer the option to get it in Fabric which honestly was a big sales feature for me. With all of this said, they are not cheap, I paid $600 Canadian for this chair but if it is in your budget you will be getting something that will last a long time.
If you want something that is going to offer longevity, then don't get a racing chair. The Titan is the most well-built racer, but there are plenty of points of potential failure, which is probably why they only offer a 3-5-year warranty.
Same with the car seat comparison. I think you are way off base here. My car seat is very comfortable, and it is soft in the seat and back. It has an open backrest design and doesn't feel like it is restrictive. Secret Lab chairs are hard. There is no other way to describe it. And the backrest frame is very restrictive compared to my car seat. The Secret Lab chairs look like car seats but they do not feel close to any car seat I have ever used. -Ryan
Man this whole comment reads like an ad. 😂
Hello guys, I'm a gamer, and I've sat in 2 different gaming chairs since 2018 1 cheap 1 expensive, and the first one also used as a reference in the video was a gt racing chair, same color too! I used it for 2 years until it broke, it was relatively comfortable just a bit too stiff. it got to a point where I was just sitting on the frame then the whole left side came apart and I could tell it was made out of some cheap metal, and It was about 150$ to 200$. I would only recommend cheap gaming chairs to people who aren't going to sit in them long but the thing is your paying for comfort so you might as well get something good right? That goes to my next purchase a red 2020 mesh/puleather dxracer chair I still have it right now and have used it for 4 years and it's finally giving out after a long hard battle with my rear end! The mechanism that leans back on the right side starting giving out which isn't even really the chairs fault because I've been rough with her lately but I can easily replace the mechanism for 30 dollars on Amazon which I might do, but there's a couple ware and tear type issues that were bound to happen like scuffs on the leather where it show sued leather underneath. And because of my man spreading I've practically worn down the fluff on the side of the chair, but overall the chair is still booty worthy! I was contemplating buying a new chair which is why I'm here, but I'm going to ride or die with this chair till she gives out and also I love the mesh part of the chair it keeps you cool all day. I spent 350 bucks on that chair and do not regret it! One last thing to note is the chair I currently have is no longer available for purchase. It might have something to do with changing their style to fit competitors like secret labs, like if you look at dx racers drifting series chairs you'll see what I'm talking about. anyways happy sitting you guys!
6:47 I'll repeat the comment I made on a similar video of you:
A bucket seat design does not even make sense for a racing sim setup.
This as the only major force you need to stop is the straight on braking and the turning of the force feedback wheel.
The latter does not push you to the side much either, except in extreme cases of powerful wheelbases set at a high setting.
Except when going all the way with a full five point harness, motion and/or such overpowered wheelbases, an office or normal ergonomic chair makes more sense.
And in such extreme cases, you need a specialised sim racing seat, not a gaming chair which fakes the features you would actually need poorly.
Currently my racing sim setup is just my desk with a wheelbase bolted to it and a block behind the rolling base to allow for braking.
Which works fine with the lighter pedals and base I have, even the turning chair base is not a problem, but if I upgrade it I will need some custom build thing.
Even then, I will simply bolt an old second-hand office chair to a self-made wooden frame, for the greater comfort, since I do not need the overly restrictive bolstering.
Sim racing is a hobby for me, I do not care for scraping out the best times, I just enjoy slowly improving my control and awareness for the sake of it.
If I ever do get a track car, only then will I accept such ergonomic compromises, in the usecase where they actually make sense and prevent much worse.
Mavix M9 is probably the best "gaming" non-racer chair out there that is affordable.
As a European, I find that none of your suggestions below $900 are currently available for purchase here, except for the Ticova.
I really appreciate your reviews, but I often find that Europeans need to pay much more for the same products, which sometimes makes your reviews less relevant for us.
Do you have any recommendations for chairs available to Europeans under $600?
Same
Just a followup info, just in case your not aware:
colamy atlas: is allways at a preordre state in eu, however we can only preorder sometimes, and when we can the price is above 400 Euro (same for cletina mellet is like 420 Euro)
Eurotech does not deliver to EU.
Haworth actually have a EU shop, however the Soji is not available in the EU shop.
OM dosn't deliver to EU.
Your refurbished chairs dosn't deliver to EU.
BTOD is in US, where they kind of always have net price, because you pay taxes yourself, so europe automatically have +23% in case of my country (Poland), so you always have to expect like +25% premium on top of what you can see from US
Similar in Australia. We have a downgraded Fern with a plastic base that is routinely sold with only height-adjustable arms. It’s possible to procure an upgrade but NO digital knits anywhere. And although Steelcase and Herman Miller are available, the only place to try them is a questionable Facebook Marketplace second hand seller. They just don’t have them in shops.
Awesome video. Although I'm having a hard time finding any of these options in Australia, while maintaining a reasonable budget of $300-400AUD. I keep seeing Shioo on Amazon, do you recommend something like the M18 or stay away?
Great advice. I went from a SecretLabs Titan to a proper ergonomic chair and now have no pain.
Just a note, you should hire someone taller and bigger. I can never know what to make of a review etc when it's a little person doing it.
Could you image hiring people because they were short skinny, medium height fat, tall at about 194 lbs, etc all to suit the needs of our audience. You guys are funny with these requests. It's hard enough finding people who are willing to go on camera, let along pick them based on their height and weight -Greg
@@btodtvya i can imagine that, many listings for those exact requirements online for modeling gigs… kinda like what this vid does… uses someone that models the chair’s features
@@xrei.I feel like 90% of btod responses to comments are dismissive and/or arrogant in regard to the question being asked.
@@bonanzabrandon6877 Agreed, vid was good but not supporting someone like this.
@@BrockettRocket01I think that comment may have been a little bit insulting to their staff.
They're a furniture company after all, and making UA-cam videos is not their primary form of business.
They're not exactly going to hire models to only demo these chairs for each new video.
How much of a difference there is between the tivova and the colamy atlas?
A lot. Basically a big upgrade across the board for everything -Greg
@@btodtvone last question since I'm in Europe and there is no atlas available until October, is the tivova better in the lumbar support than the Sihoo m18 because that back support sucked i tried it and it was painful, is the same or better in the tivova?
I honestly hate how gaming chair was THE thing and now every youtubeur is like "never buy chair" "it is not ergonomic" blablabla....
I just ordered the autofill m6 ultra white. I can’t find a review by your channel and I trust your groups opinions above anyone’s atm. Has anyone gotten or tried it? And if I’m lucky enough to get feedback from the channel, is it worth it?
Selecting a chair based on reviews is simply not the reality of getting chair comfort. Typically, opinions are dependent on individuals weight/height and more of an subjective opinion for personal comfort. I would argue that features is also fundamental for personal comfort. Mentioned in the video, but NOT available with the selected chairs is the flat back recline option. Due to the location of the connecting base to the chair. They could have modified the connection enabling more features with stronger support for little cost. At any rate they look good and likely better than most "gamming chairs"...mind you that's not hard to beat.
Have you guys tested the COLAMY 275lbs Executive High Back Mesh Office Chair with Footrest Model.2577''? It's priced the same as the Kirin but seems to have a bit more features besides seat depth.
Been watching a lot of your videos for the past few days, but just cannot decide on what to try/get. Also as a European a lot of chairs aren't available here, and I would like to see more chairs specifically aimed at shorter people.
I have the razer iskur. The cushion on the bottom makes me feel like I'm sitting on concrete and makes my hips and tail bone hurt. It's so uncomfortable my staples gaming chair has a soft cushion on the bottom and way more comfortable. I'm looking at getting rid of the razer and want one similar to the staples one.
when will big and tall be a factor, im aware the gusture and embody are the best, I can afford them new as well. BUT the only chair that ive found that fits me is the secretlab xl... and I dont find it very comfortable. Answer that question for the dudes 6'2" plus or for those guys that are heavy set too
There are niche companies who make big and tall office chairs, but they are usually very expensive.
However, they are astronomically better than the Titan.
Im on a tight budget , I wanted something like the Tikova but i really want a footrest. Is there any chair you would advise that has it? Thank you for the video, it helps!
A chair that has a footrest? No good one. I have an Embody and use it at a kitchen table I work on with a $30 footrest that allows me to raise the chair to the kitchen table height. For gaming I move back from the table, lower the chair and don't need a footrest (although my chunky slides help).
@@formulaic78 hey thanks for the reply! ill see... I dont need something gooooooood, i just want something that doesnt break in an year and allows me to rest a bit when doing mental work.a foot and head rest and some horizontalization ? that would be nice . lol
Kind of confused with this. Why would you want a chair to move while you're sitting in it? If I'm in a chair, weather leaning forward or back, I want the chair to be cushy, but, I don't want the actual frame of the thing to flex around. Maybe I'm just looking at this the wrong way, but whenever I'm just about to pull the trigger on one of the highly recommended office chairs I get completely turned off by how tiny and not padded they look. I must have had a Herman Miller Embody in my shooping cart a dozen times, but I'm turned off by the fact that I could not imagine leaning way back and curling up to read in so tiny a chair. I've read the argument about how they're "comfortable like a hammock", but I don't sleep in a hammock, I sleep on a mattress because its both firm and well padded. Do I think a "gaming" chair will be more comfortable, no, probably not, but I see these very small, slim, not padded office chairs suggested as most comfortable and I just cannot see it at all.
You guys keep making these useful videos and someone always ends up defending gaming chairs. 😂
Cant find any used embodys or a company that ships to my country(Europe, Romania). I spent hours over hours for a decent price, but they are like 1600 to 1900 for used ones (1900 being a used, without warranty logitech embody)
Maybe you can order a Kinnarps chair , from Sweden. From videos I have watched about Kinnarps they look comfortable and S-Tier level.
Kinnarps, HAG, RH Logic and Interstuhl are some decent European brands tbh.
Do good for your back, buy a propper chair. Do good for your feets, dont wear shoes IN your house!
It's still WILD to me that a whole segment of chairs for use AT HOME is based on a seating style built for a specific type of athlete to be secure during a specific activity. In no way does this represent gaming!
It just goes to show dumb ppl are, even when they're shown proof for why racing seat gaming chairs are trash.
Hello! I can't get any of those chairs cause reasons or overpriced as hell, but I can get the Amia Air with all steelcase policies and stuff, my question is, would that chair work as a gaming chair? I was checking and is different from the Amia you show, so I am not sure if I should get it or just get an used SC Think V1 and let it go...
I wouldn't recommend a Think, not great for comfort. The Amia is legit and comfortable -Greg
I know it just came out, but have you tried the Haworth Breck?
Yes! Video coming next week. -Ryan
I have sat in a few different racing style gaming chairs. After 5 minutes, I thought that sitting on a concrete floor would be more comfortable.
Please check out the new Fractal Refine. It looks amazing!
6:47 he only reason to buy a "gaming chair"
I wish all Gamer kids would watch this video. To me, it’s been obvious since forever that when it comes to anything outside peripherals, ‚Gaming‘ has simply been a huge marketing gimmick, but if it goes so far that they can be called scams like in this case, it’s really disheartening to see
Facts, the only gaming peripherals I currently own are a mouse, keyboard and headset.
I'd say gaming mice, keyboards and monitors are probably the only things which aren't complete marketing gimmicks.
I plan on replacing my headset sometime in the future, as I'm aware that the sound quality doesn't compare with audiophile brands.
this chair is more ergonomic (trust me bro)
In my experience, gaming chairs are really good for reclining back and putting my feet up on my desk while watching UA-cam. As far as anything else, I'll stick to my Leap V2 from BTOD! Racer gaming chairs, just suck, the leather cracks, they are a pain to dust, and they are so rigid, it makes it pretty tough to get comfortable. Almost like the whole concept of a racing style seat is to keep you in place while cornering lol! I'm glad to see good chairs like the Fern and Embody taking on "gaming" themes. The market is heading in the right direction with that.
Great video, loads of informative content. Would love a more Europe/International focused recommendation video since a lot of the recommendations on your channel aren't available in Europe.
I did tons of research and was unable to find Steelcase, Haworth, etc that you recommend with various upgrades and such in Europe, or that shipped to my location in Europe (Ireland). Haworth for example only sold their absolute basic version of the Fern, and I've found information that indicate the service in Europe was poor. Eventually found a German website that shipped an Embody to Ireland but this was difficult to navigate to, and the Gaming variant seems impossible to get in Europe.
Keep up the informative videos.
My Ticova broke within a year - back recline no longer locks in place. Even before that I was not happy with it, it creaked terribly and I could never get the lumbar adjustment quite right. I've now gone for the opposite end of the scale in terms of cost and so far not regretting it.
I mean, a years pretty good for a 200$ chair in my opinion, especially if you used it frequently
what chair do you own now?
Thumbs up for the Chairiffs!
amen guys
None of your top picks include a high back with a headrest. After saying you understand how important it is to a lot of people, you proceed to not give any options for chairs with a headrest. Shame you don't mention the Fractal Refine at all...
2 grand for the Embody is such fucking greed on HM's behalf lol. I can afford one but I refuse to pay that bloated price.
I also would never pay that much for an Embody either, lol.
It's around £1570 in the UK, whereas I only paid £1100 for my Aeron (with interest-free finance).
But it does sometimes have a nice 30% discount, which absolutely puts it in a much more respectable price point.
Are you planning on getting a new chair or just casually looking?
Unfortunately I feel that the only chair I "fit in" is a SecretLab Titan Evo XL. I'm an amateur bodybuilder that is 6'6". I have sat in so many "ergo" office chairs that practically go to mid thigh and or my shoulder blades go over the back rest. You guys should make a video for chairs for taller users! @BTODtv
There are Big + Tall office chairs available from brands like Lifeform, but it's a niche market and usually pretty expensive.
Although, I did come across a company called KAB, who make these high-back 24/7 controller chairs.
I'd reckon those would be 100x better than the Titan.
I'm enjoying the Asus Destrier more than the Haworth Fern. Been sitting on them side by side for past couple days
I just miss the recline from gaming chairs. I love my Fern and all, but I wish I could lean back more than 125 degrees. I have my bed right next to my desk and whenever I want to relax and chill I put my legs on it, but the max recline is just not enough to get comfortable + after a while my back starts to hurt. I know office chairs aren't meant for that kind of stuff, but it's at times like these that I wish I still had my old dx racer chair in which I could lean back much further and get comfy without any back pain.
edit previous video had my answer tbh
This guy clearly doesn't understand how real people use chairs. The positions shown at 2:24 are what real gamers do. The movement he uses to test every chair (shown at 2:37) is not a movement I've ever done while using a chair for any purpose.
If I need to stretch, I'll stand up for 2 seconds (gasp!) and then sit back down. Spending $1000 to avoid that, in favor of unnatural stretches while sitting down, is just dumb
That's because those are movements office workers do with chairs that are literally designed to be loose and flexible.
Garming chair habits are dumb and terrible for your back, and brands like Secretcrap promoting that behaviour is the problem.
Gaming chairs shaped like racing seats makes no sense, because you're literally stationary at a desk, and are therefore at no risk of falling out.
How often do gamers actually get up from their chairs and stretch their backs like you claim to do?
Yep, real gamers are stupid fools who know how to their waste money by following trends popularised by streamers. 🤦
Got my gaming embody about a week ago. Watching this video in bed, and the biggest difference since getting the embody is when I get into bed at night. Instead of my spine painfully decompressing for an hour, it feels normal.
I actually found the embody painful on my lower back for the first six months or so and still find the backrest pretty hard when I recline. But I'm quite certain my back is in better condition now than before I bought it and my sitting posture has vastly improved.
Lol I doubt that pal. Placebo is a helluva thing.
@@truuuupRKeep telling yourself that lie, even when it's made a physical difference to a lot of ppl.
Your body can't just ignore pain, just because you've got an expensive chair, biology doesn't work like that.
Also, your UA-cam comment history shows that you like to shit on the Embody and other high end office chairs in general.
Maybe stop watching these videos if they trigger you so much?
More than half the list cost more than half a grand. This is a horrible video, if you’re spending more than $500 on a chair then you don’t care about a budget making this video irrelevant
If half the video was over "half a grand", then what was the price point on the other half of the list? -Ryan
Lmao so your feet come off the ground either way lmao each to their own why judge people 😂
You forgot to mention the most important fact, and that's that most of these "gaming" chairs are made in China and you can get them from the likes of AliExpress or AliBaba for the price as low as 40$ a piece. Then all you need to do is slap your brand sticker or ask them to engrave it, and you are good to go. Charge anywhere from 100$ to 500$ and you are golden. And don't forget to add "gaming" flash to your adds campaign. That's a free "start your own business" right there.
Sounds like you should start a business! -Ryan
Gaming chairs are made for looks, comfort is impossible when they all use metal plates you sit on through the very thin foam cushion. I notice videos like this ALWAYS look at lumbar support as the only real importance, but never take into consideration the actual seat. Mainly because the reviewers are all 150lbs and while not a comfortable truth, there are a lot of people who are more like 250lbs. Chair reviews by people who don't take into consideration all weight types are irrelevant IMO - no offense.
I agree I'm 235 pounds on a good day and use a dxracer with no lumbar support for 4 years and I've been fine with no back pain.
To bad none of these brands are in my Country. (South Africa)
Not even the Cosm?
None.
@freedom_fighta There was a video I remember watching a few years ago, where this South African guy was reviewing the HM Cosm, but I'm not entirely sure if he was living somewhere else.
I just checked the name of the channel, and it's called Hans Haupt, and according to the channel data he lives in South Africa.
Gamer chairs are designed to gouge money out of gamers by appealing to their lizard brains.
Office chairs are designed for people to be able to sit in them all day and year long without wanting to jump out of their office window.
Buy an office chair, something that actually allows air to reach your back and is built ergonomically.
I love my gaming chair.
Sorry about that ;) -Greg
@@btodtv I got no choice but to love my gaming chair. I don't have the money to buy a new one...
@@painlvl999What's your budget?
@@StardustLegacyFighter I was saving up for a chair but after I heard that the 4090 was going to soar in price I bought it…
@@StardustLegacyFighter do you think I should save up 1700 again or just buy mid range chair or budget chair?
I bought 2 months ago my first ergonomic chair, and its not for me. I sold it yesterday and ordered again gaming chair.
It better suits my needs.
Ergonomic chairs force you to sit in right position which i never do. I like sometimes to put my feet on the chair,cant do that on mesh chair. In 2 months mesh got litle scufed from my jeans,belt and other hard clothes. I use my pc 99% for gaming,mostly almost lying in chair with controler in hands and legs up, which i couldnt do i ergonomic chair.
Fixed hedrest was not good if i lay down.
Ergonomic office chairs are only good for people that sit in right position, doing office work or play games in front of pc with mouse and keyboard.
I mean, it seems like a you problem tbh.
Not sitting properly on a chair is something that's going to harm you in the long term, and these gaming chairs promote poor seating habits all too well.
I also game with my controller on PC sometimes, but thanks to my Aeron's smooth recline motion I feel comfortable and relaxed.
I agree with you but stop putting the chair in a sleeping position. Who does this in real life it's ridiculous lol
Does your chair do this?! lol -Greg
No 😂, I have a Steelcase and a Fern (that I am disappointed about) but non of them is a bed@@btodtv
@@btodtv I feel sorry for the people that won't get this. Legend
Well does it?
You made me waste this whole video only to put a damn graphic at the end instead of actually talking about the alteratives?
If you think gaming chairs are too stiff not enough padding check out the Corsair tc500 luxe. Just kidding, I know you won't.
It's still a fucking racing seat ffs. It could be made out of clouds and still be hot garbage, because the overall design is still nonsensical for a desk chair. Why do you guys not understand that?
@@WolfOfJustice You do realize that they sell a ton of those chairs. I'm sure you and every other office chair snob are enjoying your superiority complex, but Secretlab is laughing all the way to the bank. You would think that if the chairs really were so terrible they wouldn't sell so many.
@bonanzabrandon6877 Just because ppl keep buying garbage doesn't make it a good product.
Secretcrap is a master at marketing hype, and they easily dupe ppl into buying their chairs over vastly superior options, even at the same price - I almost made that mistake.
I bet you don't even have a clue how racing seats became gaming chairs in the first place, because if you had any idea how it came about, you'd see why BTOD constantly criticise them.
@@bonanzabrandon6877Do you work for Secretlab? You seem to have the utmost joy in their success at parting fools with their money. I don't give a shit if they sell well, that doesn't say anything about how good their chairs actually are. A lot of women in the UK drive Fiat 500s, even though it's well documented to be an unreliable price of crap, so just because something is successful doesn't mean it's any good.
I am not paying $2000 for a chair. That's more than my rig!!! 😂😂
If you are making a career of it or spending a ton of time doing it, a good chair is probably worth it for your body
Your rig has its purpose, and a good chair will serve its purpose.
Don't ever conflate the two.
No Corsair? Wild.
Why is that wild? -Ryan
Lmao.
Nobody wants a ugly office chair 🤦🏼
There are plenty of office chairs that look really nice. All racing gaming chairs look like a cheap car seat imitation meant for a kid. -Ryan
Speak for yourself, some of us here care much more about saving our backs than how subjectively good a chair looks.
@@btodtvChairs like the Embody, Mirra 2, Aeron and Fern are like works of art, not sure how anyone could find a gaming chair more visually appealing.