The main reason is majority the buyer in the world are adapted to either the Russian system or the U.S system. If you want to buy the Chinese jet, it is not only the jet, you will have to replace your whole system such as training/maintenance/communication/data link etc. etc.
Almost all of the Chinese jets are just copies of Russian designs, with the exception of J-10 which is based loosely on a canceled Israeli project and the newer indigenous J-20 and J-31. If you can fly and maintain a Su-27, you can fly and maintain a J-11.
@@tarotaro6933 If by "intergral" you mean integration, hardly any of Russian fighter customers have integrated radar systems. Data link is a non-issue. And no, there isn't "much more". Chinese jets (at least those for sale with the exception of J-10) are just copycats of Russian jets. And considering how poorly Russian equipment has been functioning in Ukraine, they'll be better off buying Chinese jets, at the very least they'll be saving money, and the avionics would be much better since China still has access to most of the electronics market, unlike Russia.
Another reason why J-10 did not sell: for the first 10 year the J-10 entered service, the PLAAF still had a huge fleet of obsolete J-7 and J-8 to replace domestically, and production facility had a hard time even meeting domestic demand.
I'm more of a prop enthusiast, but all aviation is interesting to me. Have the Chinese made next generation IR missiles/tracking tech? I know there's passive radar, but I can see an advantage to IR capabilities. Side note, I saw F-35s for the first time yesterday, I live hundreds of miles from the nearest base, I thought, but there they were, flying over Northern California.
Who will be in his right mind that will BUY a disposable aircraft? Only countries whose REPUTATION is totally bad, and BESIDE, China's Communist Party has a tendency to HYPE all things Made in China, the Chinese Communist Party is ONLY good in PROPAGANDA, they are excelled on that thing...
Who is going to fight China? The US maybe, anyone else who allows their governments to join the war are just a bunch of idiots. Ideally China and the US take each other down a few pegs, given how shit they both are
@@Fuhrerjehova they're both shit, it's best for everyone if neither of them win so they can to some extent keep each other in check. Without China there would be no one to stop the US from controlling everything and everyone
Argentina has the problem of an outdated air force and Britain banning any sales of any equipment built in Britain. Ejector seats was a recent issue for the Argentine Air Force on a recent attempt to update their Aircraft
But what does Argentina really need it for, they're so broke they really shouldn't be fielding a military anyway, not that anyone would care to invade them.
High end jet engine tech, is very pushing the limits of design and research..for example only recently the Brits and the Japanese announced an agreement to co-produce the engine to go into the newest British fighter, the Tempest.both countries hope to produce a gen 6. Want to have an interesting and challenging career, get into jet engine development.
That’s true maybe the cost of the jets is to high for most countries to pay especially those who have trading with china mainly because the engines make it expensive or could be a mix of the price of the jet and laws passed by the Chinese government that stop companies from selling planes like the J-20 or any other advanced fighter or very advanced weapon wether that’s a missile, anti ship missile. I wouldn’t want to sell a variant of my most advanced missiles because they could just be bought in small amounts for “testing” meanwhile some are reverse engineered and someone makes a missile just as good but with different guidance systems and different engines but both preform the exact same
It's not only politics, quality and capability. It's the experience of local techinicians with the technology, costumer support, weapon systems availabilty and price, and spares. Mirage 2000s bought in the 80s are still flying at home, while Mig 29 bought in the 90s and 00s are already in storage.
@@vinodkaka5225 The Peruvian airfoce. Just to clarify, the Migs served how intended, and some of them were bought second hand not from Russia in the 90s.
Depends on how the aircraft are maintained, used, and stored(when not being used). The "old" practice in Russia is certainly the wrong one. USSR used to replace Military aircraft every 10-15 years until the 1980's because the designs were no longer considered modern. So methods and practices were not aimed at preserving aircraft long term and the base infrastructure was not designed to keep aircraft flying for decades as it was assumed "new and improved" aircraft would keep coming. Well then the 4th generation arrived followed by the 1990's and Russia was caught completely unprepared, with new aircraft not arriving and budgets being cut by the Government to small percentages of the previous years. 100's of aircraft were simply left in the open exposed to the weather with limited use and maintenance. This of course did not do anything good to the aircraft. Unfortunately this complacent mindset was extremely damaging. Those aircraft needed to be stored away from weather for as long as possible within storage facilities that were missing from the bases, with frequent preventative maintenance and checks to prevent long term problems like metal fatigue and corrosion that would start affecting the airframes from the bad complacent practices. Something that I am sure others were advised to follow. This really affected aircraft readiness, I am sure not just in Russia.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 But they can't do little more than policing airspace. The actual combat value and survival rate of Gen3 jets vs. modern Gen 4.5 or Gen 5 jets is pretty much zero.
Nations buys those over priced expensive killer toys from the cowboys 🐮🐮 must bow to" UNCLE SIMON SAID" or their deposits $ goes to the dump. You can order the all the F35 you want, but may not receive them due to production problems and adding constant new political policies problems. As for delivery due date? Like anything, deals, and agreements proudly made in USA, please pray on your dirty knees to your Orange God master or else.
China ended up alienating a large market, South East Asia with its many upstart countries in need of national defence equipment, and because of this has fewer places to sell their planes. When your neighbour is claiming an entire sea and trespassing your territory, you certainly won't buy any jets from that same neighbour. Edit: Comments got heated lol. Regardless of who you support, it's simply a fact that China does not have a good relationship with a lot of its neighbours right now. And for better or for worse, an entire market of upstart countries is now closed to their aerospace defence industry.
The only buyer of PRC fighter jets in a southeast Asian nation. Many southeast Asian nations do acquire PRC weapons (a lot actually), just not their fighter jets.
@@huyphamle159 Your sea? Vietnam is no better than Imperial Japan, always invading its neighbors and seeking to completely control South East Asia, good thing China kicked your ass in 1979. Pretty much every country in South East Asia hates Vietnam cause you guys are bunch of bitter war mongers.
Aerospace is their most important strategic industry. If they fail to sell a single plane to outside world, the Chinese will subsidize it to the hilt to keep it going. Self sufficiency is more important to them than monetary return at this stage of their development.
Yeh they don't care about the profit.they just want their companies(both state/civil, public or private) to have self sufficiency and be in competition with world market and world companies, just to keep them on the ball and also for self sufficiency and brand development In the end China even if China doesn't sell anything, it's not like it will affect their budget or acquisitions or R&D etc. the gov can just inject tens of billions or Trillions, like how China lent USA a trillion and like how China also has like 4 trillion in foreign reserves.
It could all change very quickly like turkey's beyrektar tb-2 drones... if Chinese jeys show some performance in case of a conflict, it could boost up sales. Pakistan's jf-17 sales erupted after it shot down two indian jets in feb 19.
@@mac2857 Oh come on ... just like Pakistan captured only 1 indian pilot and there never was a another ""Israeali pilot"" about which an article was later published in israel's haaretz newspaper .... there never was another indian jet that was shot down ... HAHAHA (*Wink Wink*) ; I you know what I mean! and just like Pak has nothing to do with the next day indians shooting down one of their own mi-17 heli's ... some stories are just believable better untold ... and there were so loud and thunderous claims from indians too that they have shot a Pakistani plane and shown some pictures which later proved to be some other jets ... one has to really look for truth among all the noise and pollution caused by media to actually know the truth 😉
Resumed: Countries will prefer to buy military equipment from either the west or from Russia and not from China, because China lacks international political ties good enough to have a customer base as great as the western or Russian one. And it makes sense. I used to read comments where people discussed what aircrafts should their country acquire, and it was so stupid seeing people think that a country with mostly only US equipment should buy Russian or Chinese planes now, saying about "iT PeRfORmS BeTTeR aND iS MoRE mAneUvEraBLe aND CheApeR", completely ignoring the political side of buying weaponry. I will put an example as a hypothetical situation with my own country: Chile. If we compare the capabilities of the Su-30 and the F-15EX, we can say that the Russian plane has excelent firepower and maneuverability, while the F-15EX has an incredibly tough construction/design and has amazing mission survivality (along with the impressive combat air-to-air records of the original Eagle). In the case of a competition to select a fighter jet to complement our current fleets, it seems like the Sukhoi might be a better option because of a lower price and high firepower. But then remember that Chile has been buying western weaponry since the beggining of the Air Force. First with british planes, passing through some french ones, some tech from Israel, Brazilian light attack planes, and right now we have US-made F-5E/Fs and F-16s. Politically, we have way better relations with western countries and specially with the US. And that's more than enough to throw the Su-30 alternative out of the window and stay with the F-15EX.
Besides, china can't be trusted. While USA will always act in defense of itself, we have seen that they aren't interested in expanding whereas china and Russia are trying to actively sabotage the world as is
I think it is the whole package of services that go along with the purchase of the aircraft - support, parts, logistics, training, etc. In the case of the U.S. airforce you have a lot more pilots with actual combat experience who can help train new pilots. China can sell the hardware cheap but the package that comes along with it is not as attractive.
That is all find and dandy but when you sign contract with US, you are signing with the devil from sanctions to slavery to US comes as part of package. Live like a dog and die in despair - that's what US trade gets you. Looking to fix the world's problems with bombs and missiles and CIA while building walls against poor neighbor Mexico - love thy neighbor and In God We Trust. US is full of sh!t.
@@Grogag684Jets don't stay "new" very long if you fly them. The engines wear out. So parts are really important. Availability of parts aren't a problem for any of the current U.S. jets being sold. Cost is an issue though on the F35. That jet became too expensive so it is likely it will be replaced. Actually the Rafale F4 from France is the best option instead of U.S. fighters due to cost and good support from France for training etc.
People discount how important having decades of real war fighting logistics experience is. Things don't always work in practice how you think they're going to on paper. China has almost no experience operating a large air force or deep water navy in a war, the US invented the doctrines for both.
Because military industry in China is state owned, which means the top priority of enterprises in this industry is to meet the needs of Chinese armed forces, if export is needed as demanded by Beijing, they will.
Another point, AF is getting increasingly expensive for many countries. On the other hand, CN sell much more UAV/drones, which is much more affordable, consumable and replaceable.
there's a saying, the 21st century fighter will be a single airframe that is capable of doing everything, from close air support, air dominance, heavy strike, bombing and stealth. It'll be so expensive that there'll only be 1 airframe, the Navy gets to use it in the morning, the Airforce in the afternoon, and the Army in the evening.
@@angrydragon4574 Look at the countries buying them, not much in terms of things...but China is looking for an ingress into any intelligence they maybe share with the US.
if they want to sell fighter jets, they would only sell their used and old fighter jets, the new modern jets are still replacing their aged fleet of jets, any exports would definitely slow down the replacement timeline. They can't sell the J20s either, as it would just give other major powers an idea of the aircrafts capabilities and countermeasures
Not exactly. China never replace any old model at once, but replace them according to lifespan. It means they only replace the first class fleet and transfer the rest of old fighters to second or third class fleet. Then, they would only replace the rest of them when lifespan of most old fighter in fleet ends. Therefore, there is a time gap between the earlier purchase and later purchase. The fighter manufacturer would seek foregin order to keep the factory and supply chain running to maintain the profit during the gap and slower late purchase.
@@joelau2383 Not sure If this is right this time. China reduces and modernizes its forces very quickly and is economically much stronger than in the decades before. And a clash ist more probable nie with all the other nations (US, France, GB, Australia, India,...) coming nearer. So China ist under pressure und forced to get more capable quickly.
J20 IS 4+ GENERATION FIGHTER JET AT BEST,YOU HAVE OTHER BETTER OPTIONS LIKE RAFAEL/SU35,MIG35/FA-18,F-16, which are all battle proven,safer,reliable &also comes with a better weapon package, after all J20 WAS DETECTED BY A SU 30 MKI WHICH HAS RELATIVELY OLD SO NOT A FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTER JET
there's also one major factor you miseed. Back in those days when Chinese fighters were "popular", they were all copie of Soviet jets, those buyers were actually buying cheap Soviet replacements instead of Chinese plane. Most countries prefer to keep logistics and maintenance simple and efficient (except India, lol), ever since J-8, China started to go for indigenous designs instead of simply copy, and this makes China lost one of its biggest selling point.
Lol to you, because chinese are only good at Manufacturing things,things like R&D,originality, quality or reliability is out of question because all they care is making profits.India has way better fighters,also our designs might be imported but we also have semi-custom and indigenous designs made by indians.And the last reason why nobody buys thier jets is spying and hatered towards other nations,our missiles have more customers then thier plans 🤣🤣🤣🤣.They only brought the jets because they can't afford real aircrafts for the time being.
@@TheAlexfrom1 the haters will continue the delusion. We are past the point where the Chinese makes crap bullshit. Way past. With the advent of drones and autonomous machines, things are changing in the battlefield quick anyway. Whatever it is, more fool to people who don't want to believe a country that can operate a space station can make things properly.
The MIG 21 was a wonderful plane. I worked with a guy who was an Afghani who went to Russia to join the Airforce while his brother, an Hydrologist, went to America.. He had only good things to say about the craft.
Well the mig21s wer ahead of it's time.......I have a classmate who joined IAF and is currently flying the mig21 bison!!!.....he said if it was not for the ageing airframe and parts availability for maintenance it's pretty solid fighter.... specially the indian mig bisons who are modernized with french Safran navigation, Israeli front mounted radar jammer (used on some f16/f15s) ,hmd system, a Modern radar with bvr missiles capabilities like r77 ,drdo datanet system and some more indo western avionics!!!......great fighter sadly it's airframe is old now!!
and most these migs wer flown by pilots with very less experience and training!!!.....just imagine iraqi air force using mig21s against the americans......hell if americans also used migs they would have triumphed@@kinocorner976
The reason is quite simple, for the last half decade, most countries buy F16 from USA and also F16 service / maintainense line. if these countries would like to replace the maintainenese line and retrain personals. the cost would be huge. this is why it hold back most countries from buying J10.
But the catch is your nation must bow to whatever the Cowboy god "UNCLE SIMON SAID", or play the SANCTIONS GAME. Sooner than later that sanction game will comes to your door step. Then you pays. How do you like them apples?
F-16 are bought by countries aligned with US and its allies. China sells to Russian and Chinese frenemies....which mostly buys genuine Russian aircraft with Russian engines
@@thatoneperson6969 I think weapons compatibility is a reason. Most countries operate western or Russian weapons. Most of which aren't compatible with Chinese fighter jets and you'll need to buy Chinese weapons. Which ain't cheap. People seem to forget that a single air to air missile could cost over $1 million.
JF-17 is not so cheep as mentioned, it´s offered at 53 million dollars to Argentina, with 4 missiles (support ar not mentioned in the reports); J10 must be more expensive.
What you said is average price of the package, not just the fighter and missile. Argentina hasn't China fighter before, thus it needs a lot more info, tools, training and even facilities to operate and maintain China fighter, so the price rises a lot.
@God's Creature Wrong, what you said is patrol configuration with minimum missiles. J-10 has 11 hard points. If it carries 3 drop tanks, it can still carry 2 PL-9/10 and 8 250kg bombs or SD-10/PL-15.
As always, well researched and extensive. Thanks for that! Hardly anything has changed in the meantime, the tensions between the blocs have increased enormously.
Regarding Sale of JF17 to Myanmar and Nigeria. The sale to Myanmar was handled by the chinese whereas the sale to Nigeria was done by Pakistan. Plane is manufactured both in China and Pakistan
@@godzillaeatsushi4979 Mymmar's previous government has better relationship with China. In fact, China doesn't even care about how their government goes. Stop bitching "China China". 🥴🥴
@@easonhuang7117 who you think told the Burmese government to take military coup in Burma recently? Chinese government doesn’t wants any democracy influence And took all Burmese natural resources from the people. Everyone in Burma knows Chinese are the problems
I wonder if there's a training element, as well. I'm not a pilot, but it seems like if you have an air force that's trained to use an F-16 it might be much easier to change to an F-35 than to the Russian or Chinese equivalent.
F-16 and F-35 are totally different platform we rely more on the fact that we will get new pilot train them in the 5th gen platform than retraining 4th gen fighters It’s so different I can’t even comprehend to explain how
@@ko-Daegu yeah I believe you. I'm in aerospace engineering, I get how different the capabilities are at least, I just don't know what it's like to operate them. I thought there might be some similar operational principles at work, especially on some of the platforms that have seen continuous upgrades.
@@howhigh0521 you can see all non stealth aircraft with sufficiently powerful radar. Especially huge and powerful ground radars Japan has. Radar absorbing material doesnt make a plane stealth. It makes it so it will be detected from a shorter distance. Your comment is dumb
@@howhigh0521 The JF17 and the J10C are not stealth aircraft, not anywhere near to 5th gen fighters like the F-22 or J-20. The JF17 is more along the lines of 4th gen and is designed to be an affordable reasonably capable replacement for anyone wanting to upgrade from earlier jets (like the F7/Mig-21). The J-10C is more of a 4.5 gen fighter like the Gripen or Rafael. They have some low observable aspects but were never designed to be stealth fighters. The only stealth fighters that China has are the J-20 and J-31.
My theory why China can't seem to sell its "modern" jet fighters: Economics. As China has grown economically, its client nations didn't. As the cost to build those fighters increased, due to increased development costs and capabilities, the financial capability of those likely to buy them didn't increase. This is putting them in direct competition with western jet fighters with proven track records.
@@endutubecensorship True. However, sometimes the development cycle itself is important to the end product than just the blueprints to the end product.
China’s only hope to expand its market would be to take Russia’s traditional customers which would then sour Sino-Russo relations so they’re stuck in a bit of a hard situation
The biggest buyer of Russian Jets ( after China ofcourse) is India, which will never buy Chinese Jets. And Russia will never just give up a customer as big as them. And Nations like Turkey, will likely be developing their own low end jets, while buying the high end equipments from Russia.
Not necessarily. As Binkov pointed out several times, purchasing fighter jets is as much political as it is about capabilities or cost. If China embarrassed a country with Western military ties, it could start a shift to Sino military purchases in other parts of the world. Imagine a successful "reintegration" of Formosa due to lack of Western will. That could cause other nations to rethink their decisions. At a lower level, even a Sino client state successfully annexing land from a rival state could change the calculus. Politics is about will.
All great points, but I can't help but wonder the whole Flanker copies dispute is also part of it. Potential buyers (outside the PRC's traditional customers) could be concerned with how much of the equipment was properly made/acquired, vs how much was stolen or perhaps copied poorly. The fact that alot of the PRC's defense industry has origins elsewhere, means that they don't develop as much stuff themselves compared to Russia, US or European Nations.
Well, even many western military expert agree that China make better flankers than Russia now days. Russia is really lagging behind in electronics, J-16 had AESA radar, which Su-35 dont even have. China spent way more money than Russia to refine the flanker design, the new air frame with composite material last longer and lighter. The only advantage Russia has is TVC engines.
China doesnt sell Flankers r the last fig leaf of the poor light industry of Russia. i belive if China want to sell the Flankers Russia will be glad to buy some to upgradation their own Flankers
Exactly right, you are 100% correct. This is the main reason China will always be at least half a generation (probably more in reality) behind the United States military. Until they learn to start innovating and designing their own products properly - rather than just spying, copying and reverse engineering - this will always be the case. A lot of Chinas products are very good, but they’re significantly behind the technology of the USA. Even Russia develops their own military hardware on a higher level than China, but even they’re not up to the standard of the USA. Just look at it this way. The F22 Raptor has already been around for nearly 20yrs and would be capable of blowing anything out of the sky. The J20 only entered service a few years ago, they barely have any of them, and so far the engines are absolute garbage along with many other quality issues. So China introduces its first “fifth generation” fighter to its military & it is laughably inferior to the F22 that has been around for nearly two decades. Not only that but the F35 is being introduced en-masse (yes it is not without its problems too, but despite what all the UA-cam wannabe Lockheed Martin consultants say, it is a very capable jet when used correctly) and the USA is well on the way developing its 6th generation of plane. The point is, you cannot EVER get ahead in a technological arms race if all you ever do is copy, cheat, spy and steal intel and tech from your enemies.
@@Austrian-Painter-88 Many Soviet-era warplanes and missiles were called "Ski" by the U.S. after U.S. models, such as Tomcat Ski, Harpoon Ski, and so on. This means that they were copied and stolen from American technology. Do you know that if the Soviet Union's strong military industry relied only on theft and imitation of U.S. products, how could it compete with the United States for a long time? Now that Russian military industry has not come out with anything new for a long time, and the sudden development of China's military industry has started to worry the U.S., repeating the smear tactics that disparaged the Soviet Union back then is the best means to damage China's international image and strike the credibility of China's military equipment exports. Caution and mislead potential Chinese military customers who may cross markets with the U.S., such as instead of buying Chinese imitations it is better to buy American goods with more guaranteed quality. When the gap between China's weapons and equipment and the United States-led world advanced level is too large, there is no willingness to speculate on the topic of theft, because no one will believe it. And now China's equipment technology is getting closer and closer to the world's advanced level, and the speed of improvement is so fast that it is inevitable that others will punish the mouth of the fast. But it's hard to fool the educated people. In the U.S. speculation that Chinese agents showed up at the crash site of the helicopter that killed Osama bin Laden, the U.K.'s Jane's Defense Weekly editor-in-chief Phil Stead pointed out that China was able to crack top U.S. stealth technology with just a photo and a little coating sample. He said there was nothing unusual about the fuselage of the downed U.S. helicopter, and that the key component with a fairly high-tech level was the engine, which China could not study if it just looked at the fuselage. He also said that during the Cold War, both the United States and the Soviet Union have claimed that their military secrets were "stolen", but many times they were singing empty city tricks, more to show off their latest level of military research, or simply to scare each other. So the U.S. accusation of promoting China's technology theft is, in the end, a war of public opinion between countries. And as long as the U.S. technology has been ahead of China, then the U.S. rumors will still have a market and believers. So the only thing China has to do now is to catch up and go beyond, beyond the United States, the rumors will have no basis to stand on.
@@certifiedhoodclassic7833 they werent really occupied though. Occupation usually requires an invasion of some form, they just had a brief window between independence from the British and true sovereignty, then they overthrew the Pakistanis who abused them. The Philippines for example was occupied by the US: they tried throwing out the spanish but got invaded by the US, then got occupied by the invading Japanese, then got actual independence.
@Varun , don't come into UA-cam comments bringing facts and truth. Next you're going try and tell us that Sri Lanka is now an independent country as well. Not to be a buzzkill, but UA-cam cares about ad revenue and not about veracity. Otherwise what's happening in my part of the world right now would not be so savagely exploited by demagogues and pathological liars to get cheap clicks whilst some absent minded viewer is trying to virtue signal that they actually care about humanity. Of Course, note my sarcasm regarding the Sri Lanka bit.
Venezuela should be the most wealthy country in South America with their oil production capacity . At one point in recent history Venezuela was an influential member of OPEC and had a higher standard of living than almost every other South American nation . The socialist regimes of Hugo Chavez and his successor Nicholas Maduro have turned the country from a paradise to a shithole . Buying a few cheap Chicom aircraft for a depressed country is nothing to brag about .
@@victorwaddell6530 When did i brag? just a minor correction on the video while not making political comments. I'm living in Venezuela right now do you think i don't know how socialism and the bunch of parasites that originally voted and supported it while money lasted ruined the country i live in.
Since F-35's sales keep increasing, with decreasing cost due to mass production, China still needs more effort to compete with other sellers. Most important is to get rid of relying on Russians engine.
The F-35 sales are also flooding the 2nd hand market with F-16s and F-18s, even if they're sold with outdated radar, Israel sells upgrades to a lot of 2nd hand F-16 and Mig-29 customers.
@@mrvwbug4423 very true there will be alot of relatively cheap and well maintained western planes entering the market. It's already a crowed market. And with most countries wither in the bed of the Western countries or Russia, it's hard to see China picking up many new customers. Especially since their historical buyers can't afford advanced planes.
It's very dangerous to buy planes from China as they can place a kill switch or tracking on these planes. It's a big security risks to allow foreign techs to the military.
Correction to Binkov, J-10CE being displayed at military expo only in 2020 and up for sale only in 2021 when WS-10B engines are widely available. J-10C was under prototype stage in 2019. Earlier, China was in a hurry to build enough engines for their own air force new fighters & replacing worn off AL-31 rebuilding the J-11A with totally new frame & avionics upgraded into J-11D & J-11DS. JF-17 block 3 will receive WS-13 engines when it completed trials, China wanted to make them reliable therefore all the new engines are required to be tested to the limit exceeding years of non-stop running before entering mass production.
A lot of their domestic engine supply is also going into J-20s, the AL-31 underperforms in the J-20 the plane was designed around Chinese built engines that don't exist yet.
The J-20 will be impressive once the engine issue is sorted though, it's already considered better than the SU-57, and comparable to the F-35 (nothing can touch the F-22 in the air superiority role).
@@mrvwbug4423 China has high surplus of AL-31 from older aircraft and spares from past purchase. New Prototypes that aren't proven J-10B, J-15A, J-20 early variants under testing are fitted with AL-31 engines (expendable & less costly to lose 1 in case of mishap). WS-10B/C are fitted only when they passed testing & enter actual production along with AESA and advanced avionics. Because of J-20 purpose aimed for faster cruising/top speed & long range combat radius notably its long flat fuselage similar to Mig-31 therefore it would not have better maneuverability than Su-57 & F-22 even with TVC & WS-15 engines. Its dogfight capability is only for pulling target closer to HUD & engage with off boresight missiles. Whereas the future navalized stealth fighter for Type003 with CATOBAR launch will have superior maneuverability
Korea is already a global top 10 arms supplier for warships, jet trainers, AFVs and its famed K-9 self propelled howitzer recently adopted by Australia, Poland, India, Norway… Japan because of its bloody expansionist 20th Century past has strict constitutional prohibitions and controls on arms exports. As expected from their tech and automotive industries, both countries produce excellent materiel for use in their own respective large domestic markets and are preparing home-grown fifth generation fighter aircraft to complement the incoming F35s, plus a new generation of fixed wing adapted helicopter carriers and also purpose built true flat top aircraft carriers. 🤷🏾♂️🇬🇧
Japan's (US drafted) constitution prohibits sales of Japanese made military hardware. S. Korea is beginning to make its mark as a weapons supplier and is likely to grow quickly.
As you can see, every component of each weapon needs to be supported by an industrial system. South Korea exports a lot of weapons, but the core components are provided by European and American military enterprises. Due to historical and political reasons, the cost of Weapons made in Japan is very high and the cost performance is very low.
While it could be said that the Chinese aerospace industry is kind of "rejected" by the world, the Chinese naval and land export market tells a whole different story. Speaking navally, smaller Chinese surface combatants such as the type 056As corvette and bigger 071E LHDs have hugely popular especially against third world countries with their strong capabilities and friendly budget. The same thing can be said for the southasian market for submarines, which is purely dominated by a high low Chinese combination of 039B AIP submarines and older 035s, with china selling more than 15 units in just the last 5-10 years. Chinese land equipment market goes even further, ranging all the way from heavy armors such as the VT-4 and VT-5s to the vastly bought amphibious viecles such as the type 08s and ZPD 05s. In this case, buyers are not limited to just Asia and Middle East but spread all the way to Europe and the Americas, which consists not only of poor third world countries but also filthy rich 1 world ones.
its not rejected. chinese K8 and older J-7s sell like hot cakes. and the videos explains the other factors why the chinese 4th gens aren't sold widely. until recently russia had a effective veto on any j-10 and jf-17 export. and 4th gen is harder to sell just because not that many countries can afford them, chinese traditional customers are generally pretty poor. and those able to afford them already have 4th gens from elsewhere the j-31 isnt a finished product and would have required any customers to take the risk and finish develop it. that said, now that the j-10 has a chinese engine, it'll probably get more orders in due time/.
@God's Creature Articles? No idea what you're talking about mate. Onboard electronics of newer, say type-056 corvettes and type-054AE frigates are top of the line (at least taking into consideration their price), that's how the Chinese military shipbuilding industry has gained such loyal buyers (Thailand, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Algeria etc) who choose to equip their main surface combatants purely/mainly of Chinese ships, also buyers whom have lasted for more that half a century. Good price, easy maintenance and long durability are the key selling points of Chinese ships. Just to give you an example, the Shanghai class gunboats (type 062), small hundred tonned crafts with an age older than you grandparents, are still in service with more then 10 countries today. Fall apart? probably after the entire US fleet does loll
China doesn't export that many weapons and it Imports more weapons than it sells. That means either the quality or the production rate is not good enough for the Chinese military.
@God's Creature Yes yes, "inducted frigates", you must be an absolute naval expert to say that. The ship you are talking about is the BNS Bangabandhu, a frigate built by Korean shipbuilding firm Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering, which was used from 1999-2002 and was decommissioned after two years of service due to severe technical problems. The Chinese frigates you may be talk about are the two second hand Chinese type 053H3 frigates wihich had problems of fire control system as well as in the helicopter fuelling and defueling systems due to their age. The very reason why the Bangladesh navy bought those ships were because they were very satisfied with the ship´s "ancestor" the 053H2. And yes, the Bangladesh navy was so dissatisfied afterwards that they ordered another two second hand 053H3s, four more 056AEs corvette and 10 more Durjoy class ships.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor Easy reason, most western weapon producers (BAE, Loheed, Ratheon) are all private contractors/companies putting production and sales as their no.1 priority while Chinese weapons manufacturers are all state own companies working at the states political interest. This has nothing to do with quality or quantity. Most Chinese sales if you realize, serve more of political goal (and a ground for weapon testing) rather than a financial one. What does the sales of some million dollars to a third world country mean to the second biggest economy in the world? However, the relations build behind those cheap deals are what matters. There is not much of a reason for china to push too much it's export market while production and exports may basically determine the live and death of western weapon manufacturers.
I wouldn’t even buy a Chinese-designed and made tablet, let alone a Chinese-designed and made fighter jet. Unless they’re selling them on Amazon with a 30 day return policy.
You'd be hard pressed to find electronic device or components of it NOT made in China. The HP laptop I am using is from China, the mouse, the keyboard, iPhone, PC speakers, my PC monitor, and whole array of items I am looking at as I type, yep, Made In China.
@@kewlbeans9905 if you read carefully, I said designed in China in combination with them building it. Western companies hold their Chinese factories to higher standards so although I don’t like buying made in China if I can, I’m also aware enough that it’s not possible to buy nothing made from China. Thus why I said is only buy it with a 30 day return policy to make sure what they’re selling me isn’t a complete piece of garbage.
@@deleqtronica8733 Yes, I did not read that carefully. That 'and' was a pretty important qualifier. I would've completely retracted my statement had I seen the highest standards factories that produce super products not lose in Afghanistan. What good is F-22 or F-35 or high standard factories that produce such hardwire worth when a man sitting on a donkey resists US occupation and these high end products fail to deliver victory - in any field not just air power? I heard defense experts give pivotal role of air force, jets or air crafts in delivering victory in a war. Suppose, high end manufactured war planes claim fully superiority over a credible enemy in a hypothetical war but then to lose to an enemy AFTER it has turned to Afghanistan, i.e, no air force to speak of, renders that air superiority, high end factories design and make narrative unimpressive. I think it is naive to underestimate a man's resolve and China has a resolve even if their factories and hardware may not be up to par. Technology can not fill moral strength needed to win any war. Occupying forces never have the moral strength - human history will confirm this. I have graduated putting faith in material engineering to moral 'engineering' being more important. Because, when I asked myself this, will I only fight for my life and nation if I have super weapons when someone more powerful and technologically advanced enemies comes face to face with me and my nation or will I fight because I believe in my Cause? It helped me gain perspective. So reducing any country's defense hardware to come with 30 day money back guarantee is also not a wise decision. Because in the end we are walking among ghosts as everything we experience will perish. What are we fighting for ultimately? Ideas that decay and die or ideas that live forever? In this are signs for those who reflect. Thank you my friend - it is a pleasure chatting with you.
@@kewlbeans9905 Your laptop and mouse were put together in china, CPU is either from USA, Germany or Thaiwan, RAM is USA or South Korea, ssd South Korea USA or Thaiwan, Display South Korea, Czech Rep or Austria, the material for the plastics USA. network card USA or UK. True Chinese systems made all in China are incredible garbage, the pile of broken shit you can buy on Etzy or Alibaba, that is the best knock off you can get from there.
@@soheil527 So trash that breaks in a year thats hyper overvalued? Switched back to a flip phone 2 years ago, and saved a buttload of cash (and it does not break if you look at it wrong). Smartphones are a scam, you dont need 99% of what they do.
I think the nations that are wealthy enough to buy fighter jets will simply buy from either western or russian manufacturers. China's aerospace engineering isn't internationally proven, but it might change over time. the thing is, with the way air combat evolves, the nations that rise up probably will skip fighter jets alltogether for fleets of drones. the paradigm shift in air dominance was proven in the nagorno karabakh conflict where a moderately powerful military of Azerbaijan managed to have full aerial dominance over Armenia with mostly cheap drones. so why even waste so much money on airfields, training and fuel for fighter jets if you can just do it for so much cheaper with drones?
This ignores the fact that Armenia had little to no electronic warfare capabilities. Currently drones are extremely vulnerable to modern EW equipment, this was shown when Iran captured an American RQ-170 BY hijacking it and forcing it to land.
It wasnt proven at all. Armenia lacked both the fighter jets as well as modern Anti-air network. Its defence was mostly outdated by 30 years and irregular, all that against modern drones.
I live less than 1300' from the Virginia Beach military airbase every time a jet takes off every part of my house shakes and I love the vibration of the afterburner when there doing the turning drills and touch landing exercises
@@chaseshaw22 potters road off lynnhaven.. I can literally feel then take off everytime.and have a clear view of the entire runway..it's wild that there's residential and business so close to them
Based on what I've been able to read and this is a generalisations of all westerners. They are all simpletons and find bliss in their ignorance and arrogance.
What service? They copy products with inferior parts, workmanship and quality, then laugh when someone buys them. Try returning anything bought online from China. After the sale you'll never hear from them again, except for nameless wolf warrior morons.
A few years ago our mining company bought a chinese made ball mill. It was much cheaper than european brands. They sent over some technicians and it took them roughly 6 months to make it operational. Our company lost substantial revenues waiting for them to make their own product work. Should have bought European or American mining equipment.
@@muhtadaali8847 I try not to, but the Chinese have put many higher end manufacturers out of business. Sometimes you don't have a choice, but I'm sure you have the same issues in your country.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 Oh, it is there. WS-10 is in domestic production. Sure, jet production was a big weak point, but they're getting there. People often think that avionics are hard part of aircraft building, but it's actually engines.
Honestly the updated Mig-21s might outlast many of the new jets that China is putting out in market. The thing is just like the A-10 where it just needs updates and its good to go!
I disagree that China has no use for the JF-17. They think they don't. But a modern 4th or even 4th+ gen aircraft that is cheap to produce and maintain could have sped up replacement of the nearly useless J-8 squadrons. It could have served as a potent home land defender both air and ground. It's low cost could have increased the number of aircraft capable of using modern weapons available over the Homeland by a substantial amount. China is copying the U.S. military and doctrine, and as a result they are thinking offensively. But if war breaks out in the Pacific they will be under attack directly, and possibly from many directions. Having inexpensive modern multirole fighters available in large numbers would definitely be an asset in such a situation. While "quality" matters alot. Once at a decently even level of technology Stalin's old saying still has merit.
There aren't that many j-8 left though, and def not gonna be send out in active war or conflict (at least in initial stages, if there do get full air dominance they might get send out i suppose)
Makes sense. Weapons of Death should have a balance of performance, quality, accessibility, and price. In today's time... we shouldn't need to fully deck a single plane that might be shot down within a few minutes during time of war. Imagine having 5 planes vs 10+ with 70~80% of it's capabilities. Imo all weapons are considered as disposable and shouldn't be over invested into.
The more expensive plane to procure isn’t actually more expensive, not when the cheaper competition has a higher likelihood of loosing both the plane *and* the pilot who costs more to train than the plane does.
Tell that to the expensive F-15 with its kill-to-loss ratio of 104-0, or any stealth fighter. The bigger issue is planes becoming obsolete and never being used since war is exceedingly rare these days. When war does happen, you HAVE TO WIN, and fighters (and attack subs) are the apex predators that determine the outcome. That's why the outsize investment is worth it. They are literally war-winning weapons.
Egypt is a good middle-ground country for East v West comparisons. Before 1980, Egypt bought Soviet military hardware almost exclusively, with occasional European purchases, too. After 1980, Egypt bought american military hardware almost exclusively, for at least 20 years. In the last 20+ years, however, Egypt has bought some american hardware, but has seemed to prefer buying Russian jets over american ones. In point of fact, the american government has directly instructed the Egyptian government that is CANNOT purchase Russian jets any more, since the sanctions on Russia are now in place and if Egypt DOES make these purchases, Egypt will and be sanctioned. Regardless, the fact that in 2022, Egypt wants to buy Russian jets instead of buying more american ones is a very telling fact and one that I think should be borne in mind when comparing military hardware. Now that China is looking for buyers, it's possible that Egypt might be forced to purchase Chinese jets since it can't get the Russian ones and doesn't want the american ones.
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And? Shithole Egypt buying russian jets means they are better? Bwahahahahahaha!
I imagine the price matters here as well. Especially when the Ruble wasn’t artificially propped up by the Russian Central Bank. A cheaper Ruble via the US Dollar you get good aircraft at a lower price.
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i know that he did, but i would like to see a 2022 version, where both the countries have upped their game significantlly, with new deals and weaponries
It would make sense for the Chinese air force to have a top spec jf17 with their premium restricted electronic systems as a 2nd line fighter bomber and support aircraft as a reasonably priced replacement for the mig21's they still have in service, The j10's might not be priced right or made quickly enough to be a total replacement option for older legacy systems A jf17 fitted out with all of China's top equipment would be pretty potent tool especially for a 2nd line option
yeah, premium and "made in china" usually don't mix. they can't even build anything without it falling apart in 5 years there. bridge collapses, hospitals, apartments, you name it, it goes up then falls down
@@arminius6506 i'll believe it when i see it, although any of these big nations going to a serious war will never happen without nuclear armageddon so, it won't really matter
@@Adierit "your belief" doesn't matter, there are millions of people who believe that Earth is flat. What matters is the reality. Nobody was talking about war at all so you don't need to brought war into this matter
The core of Pakistani and Indian air fleet is based of chinese and russian fighters respectively. They both however put their western supplied jets ahead. Mirage 2000s now Rafael for Indian and F-16s for pakistan.
@@pritsingh9766 No it doesn't. They always put Mirage 2000s in front with SU-30s providing secondary cover. IAF themselves have admitted to engine, radar and other reliability concerns with SU-30s. They are still spending huge amount of resources just for the subsystems of the SU-30s to integrate with the aircraft. If they had just chosen Russian source sensors and avionics for SU-30 , they would have had less issues but they chose a hodge-podge of equipment on a single aircraft. Mirage 2000 is simple, effective and extremely reliable. It was showing its age and that is why Rafaels are being purchased and mirages put through a mid life upgrade.
@@VashtheStampede007 Ideally Pakistan would want f-16 V instead of J-10 given our experience with this platform and the whole logistic side of things but alas politics would prevent that so long story short the era of f-16 is over for Pakistan
British and American spies probably nicked/yoinked some. One of my favorite stories is how the CIA maintained the T-72 instructional manual in India. It included a cliche car chase and an agent jumping out of a moving car to escape the KGB. Fun facts with me. You're welcome.
@@horuslupercal3872 I agree. Given his name Argentina seems to be his country. I heard Argentina is interested in FC-17s as their options to replace their current fighters are very limited. As an example, not long ago they had their purchase of Korean FA-50s blocked becuase it incorporated British components.
China would probably have more luck marketing to Sub Saharan African nations; most of those countries operate heavily outdated Russian jets, outdated helicopters or outdated Western light combat jets and trainers like Alpha Dornier, F-5, Dassault Mirage F1 or MIG 23. Also, China could use the defense contracts to increase their influence on the African continent
China's allies or friendlies are mostly underdeveloped to developing countries... Very few can afford modern fighter jets, all of exported jets were small numbers. BTW, western allies and friendlies are mostly developed countries or at least developing countries with good economic scale. They can afford quite a numbers of modern 4.5 gen to state-of-the-art stealth fighters.
Even west face economic cruises chine produce more J-20 THAN F-35 EUROPE CAN'T PRODUCE 5 GH FIGHTEREVDN FRANCE CANT ABLE TO O DEVELOP M88 ENGINE FIR EGYPT AND UAE REQUIREMENTS
That wages comment really shows how much the world has changed in 20, let alone 40, years. Russia has fallen behind so severely and continues to fall behind to the point where China is now the one with the higher quality of living and per capita incomes. I imagine the future Russo-Chinese partnership will become a bit less equal as China continues to hold more cards.
I really love Russia and people there but i think Russia is slowly becoming a junior partner of Chinese. Call me crazy but I am 100% sure that Lavrov is a Chinese spy sitting in Kremlin .China copies their weapons, many Chinese even talk about taking back Vladivostok but Russians cannot see that .
Bangladesh Air Force got their F/J-7BGI in 2013. They were in dire need of stop gap fighter jets at that time. F-7BGI is the most latest mig-21 version.
China has a great reputation for their products and it applies to their fighters as well.Countries which have the amount of money needed for other planes will definitely go for them. Even their closest Pakistan tries to avoid Chinese planes and its always their last resort. How can you build a cutting edge design from copied tech from Russia and west?
You are simply jealoused because the Pakistani built JF-17 Thunder has literally left LCA Tejas far behind, and don't forget how JF-17 Thunder shot down two Indian Russian-made jets in 2019.
Simple,buying a Chinese product is a gamble if you are lucky you may get a good one if not you are just throwing your money from a small torch to a fighter plane
i think most country dont want to buy multimillion dollar paperweight, if you going to spent million might as well buy the top-shelf stuff that won't break after couple use
Ngl, I think most of your videos are kind of bleh, but this one was well done. I don't know why you do so many crappy military comparison videos when you're actually really good at political/strategic analysis.
So to summarise.. its geopolitics, lack of chinese engines mean russian approval is needed, and new to arms market is the main reason chinese arms are not sold widely.. very informative and great video mate 👍
Lately the operators of Chinese drones are returning them or canceling their contracts, much to Turkey’s delight. The Chinese drones didn’t integrate well with the rest of the battle management systems. Turkey has found a sweet spot in the market being able to pretty much deal with all comers and they have a complete competent array of products that integrate well. The US has also altered some of their restrictions, possibly because of Turkish success, and is once again broadening their customer base.Russia is only now starting to integrate drones and offering exports. A drone is much more than a winged asset, it has to function across numerous lines to be fully valued.
I believe these Turkish drones had a big impact in the recent Azerbaijan-Armenian war where the technical superiority of the Azerbaijani military led to victory and specifically the Turkish drones were key contributers to Azerbaijani military success.
@@BlackHawkTejas Absolutely. Armenia had no real chance. Azerbaijan led a swift victory using a higher military investment, advice from allies and 21st century technology. Azerbaijan will probably continue to grow in power due to their advantage in natural resources, however will probably not continue any advancement across the Armenian border due to Russian peacekeepers.
@@OwenRhodri Ya! That's true. Armenia needs to be smart & upgrade it's military by using modern equipments from wherever it is available. It's better to be over prepared than under.
Thank you for your output I find it insightful surely Russia like the Western aircraft manufacturing countries are fed up with the CCP coping their own domestic product for no financial payment. And as a mechanical engineer I have seen first -hand how Chinese quality sucks
_Chabuduo_ strikes again! The Chinese can catch up in product quality, for the right price. In the 1950s not too many Western consumers were happy with Japanese consumer goods. By the 1980s, practically every Western consumer was swearing by Japanese consumer goods like cars and TV sets.
China does not want to conduct research behind closed doors, but the United States prohibits China from accessing any advanced technology. The United States leads the West in imposing the strictest technological blockade on China. And Russia is not happy for China to learn away its few advanced technologies. Therefore, it is not that China is unwilling to purchase patents, but that the United States does not give China the right to purchase patents. Just like China was once rejected by the European Galileo system and the International Space Station (even if funds were invested through formal channels). Noble bitch, don't confuse cause and effect.
It should be noted that 64% of JF-17 is Manufactured in Pakistan and 36% is manufactured in China. All the Jf-17 orders which both countries able to get are actually build by both countries jointly. Pakistan is currently working on the capability to build 80% manufacturing goals. Furthermore Pakistan rolled out first 10 units of JF-17 Block 3 very silently few days ago. The reasons for seceracy is that Pakistani JF-17 Block 3 are actually very different from Chinese Jf-17 Block 3. But in front they will claim that the both planes are same. Pakistani sources also claimed that they now complete the design of first Dual Engine JF-17 which will be labeled as JF-18 and will be considered a completely new Medium to Heavy multi role Fighter and will evolve separately from JF-17.
Not for sales yet although many countries had requested for it. Usually when they have a newer model then the current model China may consider selling the export version just like it Type55 are not for sales yet.
The only reason Eastern military products are bought in the first place is because of a countries inability to buy Western product's for political reasons or budgetary constraints.
I always assumed there were two schools of thought The countries which wanted to pay top dollar to get the “best” equipment Would buy American. Everyone else bought Russian. Chinese buyers were like the leftovers.
The fighter jet market in a nutshell. Those privileged enough to be in the exclusive club buy the latest and the greatest from the Americans. Those outside the club who still want top quality buy French, German, or Swedish. Russian jets occupy the bargain bin, and dumpster divers buy Chinese.
The list of Russian buyers reads like a meeting of the Desperado Club. If you can't afford American, you're going to get French or some other European. You only get Russian if your country is ruled by people in big hats.
The main reason is majority the buyer in the world are adapted to either the Russian system or the U.S system. If you want to buy the Chinese jet, it is not only the jet, you will have to replace your whole system such as training/maintenance/communication/data link etc. etc.
Then what about French jets? They sell pretty good
@Conk because the majority of the countries in the world don't speak Chinese
Almost all of the Chinese jets are just copies of Russian designs, with the exception of J-10 which is based loosely on a canceled Israeli project and the newer indigenous J-20 and J-31. If you can fly and maintain a Su-27, you can fly and maintain a J-11.
@@MeanMachine1992 there are more than just flying and maintence issue. They are data link, radar intergral and a lot more.
@@tarotaro6933 If by "intergral" you mean integration, hardly any of Russian fighter customers have integrated radar systems. Data link is a non-issue.
And no, there isn't "much more". Chinese jets (at least those for sale with the exception of J-10) are just copycats of Russian jets. And considering how poorly Russian equipment has been functioning in Ukraine, they'll be better off buying Chinese jets, at the very least they'll be saving money, and the avionics would be much better since China still has access to most of the electronics market, unlike Russia.
Another reason why J-10 did not sell: for the first 10 year the J-10 entered service, the PLAAF still had a huge fleet of obsolete J-7 and J-8 to replace domestically, and production facility had a hard time even meeting domestic demand.
Recently Pakistan has bought 24 of them
I'm more of a prop enthusiast, but all aviation is interesting to me. Have the Chinese made next generation IR missiles/tracking tech? I know there's passive radar, but I can see an advantage to IR capabilities. Side note, I saw F-35s for the first time yesterday, I live hundreds of miles from the nearest base, I thought, but there they were, flying over Northern California.
Who will be in his right mind that will BUY a disposable aircraft? Only countries whose REPUTATION is totally bad, and BESIDE, China's Communist Party has a tendency to HYPE all things Made in China, the Chinese Communist Party is ONLY good in PROPAGANDA, they are excelled on that thing...
@@normanocampo4466 That's not how you spell USA, you know...
nobody want to buy junk
Imagine buying equipment from the guy you know your going to fight soon™
Yep. Sounds like great idea. You will inspect those fighters and find any weakness they have.
@@Volodymyr_SVD Except the ones they sell you are never the same they themselves use.
Who is going to fight China? The US maybe, anyone else who allows their governments to join the war are just a bunch of idiots. Ideally China and the US take each other down a few pegs, given how shit they both are
@@antimatter4733 Top dog is always shit. That's why you should want the top dog that's least shit for you to win.
@@Fuhrerjehova they're both shit, it's best for everyone if neither of them win so they can to some extent keep each other in check. Without China there would be no one to stop the US from controlling everything and everyone
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Argentina has the problem of an outdated air force and Britain banning any sales of any equipment built in Britain. Ejector seats was a recent issue for the Argentine Air Force on a recent attempt to update their Aircraft
they know what our pilots can do with an obsolete fighter in their hands
But what does Argentina really need it for, they're so broke they really shouldn't be fielding a military anyway, not that anyone would care to invade them.
@@mrvwbug4423 we have a current invader right now
in Argentina we are broken af, i doubt our government can buy anything
@@martindione386 - Do you mean USA ?
High end jet engine tech, is very pushing the limits of design and research..for example only recently the Brits and the Japanese announced an agreement to co-produce the engine to go into the newest British fighter, the Tempest.both countries hope to produce a gen 6. Want to have an interesting and challenging career, get into jet engine development.
This engine stands a good chance, both countries are high tech and have a highly skilled jet engine workforce.
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That’s true maybe the cost of the jets is to high for most countries to pay especially those who have trading with china mainly because the engines make it expensive or could be a mix of the price of the jet and laws passed by the Chinese government that stop companies from selling planes like the J-20 or any other advanced fighter or very advanced weapon wether that’s a missile, anti ship missile. I wouldn’t want to sell a variant of my most advanced missiles because they could just be bought in small amounts for “testing” meanwhile some are reverse engineered and someone makes a missile just as good but with different guidance systems and different engines but both preform the exact same
Top three jet engine manufacturers are Rolls Royce, General Electric, and Pratt and Whitney
It's not only politics, quality and capability. It's the experience of local techinicians with the technology, costumer support, weapon systems availabilty and price, and spares. Mirage 2000s bought in the 80s are still flying at home, while Mig 29 bought in the 90s and 00s are already in storage.
Which country Airforce you refer about
@@vinodkaka5225 The Peruvian airfoce. Just to clarify, the Migs served how intended, and some of them were bought second hand not from Russia in the 90s.
Depends on how the aircraft are maintained, used, and stored(when not being used).
The "old" practice in Russia is certainly the wrong one.
USSR used to replace Military aircraft every 10-15 years until the 1980's because the designs were no longer considered modern. So methods and practices were not aimed at preserving aircraft long term and the base infrastructure was not designed to keep aircraft flying for decades as it was assumed "new and improved" aircraft would keep coming. Well then the 4th generation arrived followed by the 1990's and Russia was caught completely unprepared, with new aircraft not arriving and budgets being cut by the Government to small percentages of the previous years. 100's of aircraft were simply left in the open exposed to the weather with limited use and maintenance. This of course did not do anything good to the aircraft. Unfortunately this complacent mindset was extremely damaging.
Those aircraft needed to be stored away from weather for as long as possible within storage facilities that were missing from the bases, with frequent preventative maintenance and checks to prevent long term problems like metal fatigue and corrosion that would start affecting the airframes from the bad complacent practices. Something that I am sure others were advised to follow. This really affected aircraft readiness, I am sure not just in Russia.
Meanwhile MiG 21s bought in the 60s are still flying.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21 But they can't do little more than policing airspace.
The actual combat value and survival rate of Gen3 jets vs. modern Gen 4.5 or Gen 5 jets is pretty much zero.
Nice analysis!
Thanks for breaking this highly nuanced topic into bite size chunks for us. Very well researched Binkov.
Nations buys those over priced expensive killer toys from the cowboys 🐮🐮 must bow to" UNCLE SIMON SAID" or their deposits $ goes to the dump.
You can order the all the F35 you want, but may not receive them due to production problems and adding constant new political policies problems.
As for delivery due date?
Like anything, deals, and agreements proudly made in USA, please pray on your dirty knees to your Orange God master or else.
Umbrella...most welcome
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China ended up alienating a large market, South East Asia with its many upstart countries in need of national defence equipment, and because of this has fewer places to sell their planes. When your neighbour is claiming an entire sea and trespassing your territory, you certainly won't buy any jets from that same neighbour.
Edit: Comments got heated lol. Regardless of who you support, it's simply a fact that China does not have a good relationship with a lot of its neighbours right now. And for better or for worse, an entire market of upstart countries is now closed to their aerospace defence industry.
Here in Vietnam,they still recognized our sea as theirs so it's a no no from us.Sukhoi all the way
The only buyer of PRC fighter jets in a southeast Asian nation.
Many southeast Asian nations do acquire PRC weapons (a lot actually), just not their fighter jets.
@Wiegraf nah, lQ too low…they said the same shlt about Africa 😅
@Wiegraf We really don't care who you support.
@@huyphamle159 Your sea? Vietnam is no better than Imperial Japan, always invading its neighbors and seeking to completely control South East Asia, good thing China kicked your ass in 1979. Pretty much every country in South East Asia hates Vietnam cause you guys are bunch of bitter war mongers.
Aerospace is their most important strategic industry. If they fail to sell a single plane to outside world, the Chinese will subsidize it to the hilt to keep it going. Self sufficiency is more important to them than monetary return at this stage of their development.
Yeh they don't care about the profit.they just want their companies(both state/civil, public or private) to have self sufficiency and be in competition with world market and world companies, just to keep them on the ball and also for self sufficiency and brand development
In the end China even if China doesn't sell anything, it's not like it will affect their budget or acquisitions or R&D etc. the gov can just inject tens of billions or Trillions, like how China lent USA a trillion and like how China also has like 4 trillion in foreign reserves.
It could all change very quickly like turkey's beyrektar tb-2 drones... if Chinese jeys show some performance in case of a conflict, it could boost up sales.
Pakistan's jf-17 sales erupted after it shot down two indian jets in feb 19.
@@AbdulMoueedHaroon only one can be proven
@@mac2857 Oh come on ... just like Pakistan captured only 1 indian pilot and there never was a another ""Israeali pilot"" about which an article was later published in israel's haaretz newspaper .... there never was another indian jet that was shot down ...
HAHAHA (*Wink Wink*) ; I you know what I mean!
and just like Pak has nothing to do with the next day indians shooting down one of their own mi-17 heli's ... some stories are just believable better untold ...
and there were so loud and thunderous claims from indians too that they have shot a Pakistani plane and shown some pictures which later proved to be some other jets ... one has to really look for truth among all the noise and pollution caused by media to actually know the truth 😉
@@mac2857 bragging about shooting down a Mig 21 is really lame anyway.
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0:36 "Jet engines is not a soothing sound".
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Resumed: Countries will prefer to buy military equipment from either the west or from Russia and not from China, because China lacks international political ties good enough to have a customer base as great as the western or Russian one.
And it makes sense. I used to read comments where people discussed what aircrafts should their country acquire, and it was so stupid seeing people think that a country with mostly only US equipment should buy Russian or Chinese planes now, saying about "iT PeRfORmS BeTTeR aND iS MoRE mAneUvEraBLe aND CheApeR", completely ignoring the political side of buying weaponry.
I will put an example as a hypothetical situation with my own country: Chile. If we compare the capabilities of the Su-30 and the F-15EX, we can say that the Russian plane has excelent firepower and maneuverability, while the F-15EX has an incredibly tough construction/design and has amazing mission survivality (along with the impressive combat air-to-air records of the original Eagle). In the case of a competition to select a fighter jet to complement our current fleets, it seems like the Sukhoi might be a better option because of a lower price and high firepower. But then remember that Chile has been buying western weaponry since the beggining of the Air Force. First with british planes, passing through some french ones, some tech from Israel, Brazilian light attack planes, and right now we have US-made F-5E/Fs and F-16s. Politically, we have way better relations with western countries and specially with the US. And that's more than enough to throw the Su-30 alternative out of the window and stay with the F-15EX.
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Besides, china can't be trusted. While USA will always act in defense of itself, we have seen that they aren't interested in expanding whereas china and Russia are trying to actively sabotage the world as is
@@jonrobbin170 underrated, the west and Russia are mostly predictable, China is a wildcard
Nah . it's just China is a new player in the game..same for others..
@@calvinblue894 existence is co existence
I think it is the whole package of services that go along with the purchase of the aircraft - support, parts, logistics, training, etc. In the case of the U.S. airforce you have a lot more pilots with actual combat experience who can help train new pilots. China can sell the hardware cheap but the package that comes along with it is not as attractive.
That is all find and dandy but when you sign contract with US, you are signing with the devil from sanctions to slavery to US comes as part of package. Live like a dog and die in despair - that's what US trade gets you. Looking to fix the world's problems with bombs and missiles and CIA while building walls against poor neighbor Mexico - love thy neighbor and In God We Trust. US is full of sh!t.
Better buy new one rather to repair...because lacks of spare parts
@@Grogag684Jets don't stay "new" very long if you fly them. The engines wear out. So parts are really important. Availability of parts aren't a problem for any of the current U.S. jets being sold. Cost is an issue though on the F35. That jet became too expensive so it is likely it will be replaced. Actually the Rafale F4 from France is the best option instead of U.S. fighters due to cost and good support from France for training etc.
@@brianh9358 just give it time and the cost of an f35 will go down.
People discount how important having decades of real war fighting logistics experience is. Things don't always work in practice how you think they're going to on paper. China has almost no experience operating a large air force or deep water navy in a war, the US invented the doctrines for both.
Because military industry in China is state owned, which means the top priority of enterprises in this industry is to meet the needs of Chinese armed forces, if export is needed as demanded by Beijing, they will.
Just like the Soviet Union and their "amazing" jets.
Another point, AF is getting increasingly expensive for many countries. On the other hand, CN sell much more UAV/drones, which is much more affordable, consumable and replaceable.
Puke in, puke out...China is caught in a miserable rout.
there's a saying, the 21st century fighter will be a single airframe that is capable of doing everything, from close air support, air dominance, heavy strike, bombing and stealth.
It'll be so expensive that there'll only be 1 airframe, the Navy gets to use it in the morning, the Airforce in the afternoon, and the Army in the evening.
Those same drones then send military data back to China.
@@angrydragon4574 Look at the countries buying them, not much in terms of things...but China is looking for an ingress into any intelligence they maybe share with the US.
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if they want to sell fighter jets, they would only sell their used and old fighter jets, the new modern jets are still replacing their aged fleet of jets, any exports would definitely slow down the replacement timeline. They can't sell the J20s either, as it would just give other major powers an idea of the aircrafts capabilities and countermeasures
Not exactly. China never replace any old model at once, but replace them according to lifespan. It means they only replace the first class fleet and transfer the rest of old fighters to second or third class fleet. Then, they would only replace the rest of them when lifespan of most old fighter in fleet ends. Therefore, there is a time gap between the earlier purchase and later purchase. The fighter manufacturer would seek foregin order to keep the factory and supply chain running to maintain the profit during the gap and slower late purchase.
Bro, it ain't like their older fleet is a bunch of classic cars. SMH.
@@csn6234 🤣🤣 you tell that clown .. nothing good ever comes out of China not even the women -
Even Rona.
@@joelau2383 Not sure If this is right this time. China reduces and modernizes its forces very quickly and is economically much stronger than in the decades before. And a clash ist more probable nie with all the other nations (US, France, GB, Australia, India,...) coming nearer. So China ist under pressure und forced to get more capable quickly.
J20 IS 4+ GENERATION FIGHTER JET AT BEST,YOU HAVE OTHER BETTER OPTIONS LIKE RAFAEL/SU35,MIG35/FA-18,F-16, which are all battle proven,safer,reliable &also comes with a better weapon package, after all J20 WAS DETECTED BY A SU 30 MKI WHICH HAS RELATIVELY OLD SO NOT A FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTER JET
there's also one major factor you miseed. Back in those days when Chinese fighters were "popular", they were all copie of Soviet jets, those buyers were actually buying cheap Soviet replacements instead of Chinese plane. Most countries prefer to keep logistics and maintenance simple and efficient (except India, lol), ever since J-8, China started to go for indigenous designs instead of simply copy, and this makes China lost one of its biggest selling point.
Lol to you, because chinese are only good at Manufacturing things,things like R&D,originality, quality or reliability is out of question because all they care is making profits.India has way better fighters,also our designs might be imported but we also have semi-custom and indigenous designs made by indians.And the last reason why nobody buys thier jets is spying and hatered towards other nations,our missiles have more customers then thier plans 🤣🤣🤣🤣.They only brought the jets because they can't afford real aircrafts for the time being.
@@akshaymykar5569 sigh, you guys just can't leave your stupid patriotism alone, and keep blind eye to the problems
@@TheAlexfrom1 honestly we are like that we love to buyt things cheap and have low quality
@@TheAlexfrom1 Chinese products are well known all over the World 😂 Bruhhh
@@TheAlexfrom1 the haters will continue the delusion. We are past the point where the Chinese makes crap bullshit. Way past.
With the advent of drones and autonomous machines, things are changing in the battlefield quick anyway.
Whatever it is, more fool to people who don't want to believe a country that can operate a space station can make things properly.
The MIG 21 was a wonderful plane. I worked with a guy who was an Afghani who went to Russia to join the Airforce while his brother, an Hydrologist, went to America.. He had only good things to say about the craft.
Well the mig21s wer ahead of it's time.......I have a classmate who joined IAF and is currently flying the mig21 bison!!!.....he said if it was not for the ageing airframe and parts availability for maintenance it's pretty solid fighter.... specially the indian mig bisons who are modernized with french Safran navigation, Israeli front mounted radar jammer (used on some f16/f15s) ,hmd system, a Modern radar with bvr missiles capabilities like r77 ,drdo datanet system and some more indo western avionics!!!......great fighter sadly it's airframe is old now!!
" After Canada and Palestine, Indian hackers launch cyber attacks on Qatar to avenge death penalty of former Navy officers "
@@The_Seraphim7 A jet that’s known to have a kill to loss of 240 - 501.
I’m inclined to say they’re not that great I’m combat.
and most these migs wer flown by pilots with very less experience and training!!!.....just imagine iraqi air force using mig21s against the americans......hell if americans also used migs they would have triumphed@@kinocorner976
The reason is quite simple, for the last half decade, most countries buy F16 from USA and also F16 service / maintainense line. if these countries would like to replace the maintainenese line and retrain personals. the cost would be huge. this is why it hold back most countries from buying J10.
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But the catch is your nation must bow to whatever the Cowboy god "UNCLE SIMON SAID", or play the SANCTIONS GAME.
Sooner than later that sanction game will comes to your door step.
Then you pays.
How do you like them apples?
Existence is co existence
F-16 are bought by countries aligned with US and its allies. China sells to Russian and Chinese frenemies....which mostly buys genuine Russian aircraft with Russian engines
Existence ku s coexistence
I would buy one but its out of my price range and don’t want to risk sanctions
The US did not sanction anyone who bought China plane it just people want world known quality
@@thatoneperson6969 I think weapons compatibility is a reason. Most countries operate western or Russian weapons. Most of which aren't compatible with Chinese fighter jets and you'll need to buy Chinese weapons. Which ain't cheap. People seem to forget that a single air to air missile could cost over $1 million.
@@hellothere1656
Yep that also count, the lack of nation having chinese sparepart also one of the reason
Hopefully you can get one under MSRP
They are available here!
I can send you one for half the price!
~10mil each
in 1/144 scale
JF-17 is not so cheep as mentioned, it´s offered at 53 million dollars to Argentina, with 4 missiles (support ar not mentioned in the reports); J10 must be more expensive.
If the fly-away cost of jf17 3 is 40 million, then it is competing with Tejas mk1a and TA-50,
What you said is average price of the package, not just the fighter and missile. Argentina hasn't China fighter before, thus it needs a lot more info, tools, training and even facilities to operate and maintain China fighter, so the price rises a lot.
Lol what? Pretty sure it can hold More than that. Like 8 or more.
@God's Creature Wrong, what you said is patrol configuration with minimum missiles. J-10 has 11 hard points. If it carries 3 drop tanks, it can still carry 2 PL-9/10 and 8 250kg bombs or SD-10/PL-15.
@@ex0duzz Yes, he clearly didn't consider the 5 hard points under fuselage.
As always, well researched and extensive. Thanks for that! Hardly anything has changed in the meantime, the tensions between the blocs have increased enormously.
" After Canada and Palestine, Indian hackers launch cyber attacks on Qatar to avenge death penalty of former Navy officers "
Regarding Sale of JF17 to Myanmar and Nigeria. The sale to Myanmar was handled by the chinese whereas the sale to Nigeria was done by Pakistan. Plane is manufactured both in China and Pakistan
All they do in pakistan is applying green paint
Kinda, PAF assembles knock down kits, they do not actually manufacture them.
Burmese government are Chinese government puppet. People in Burma are starting to fight back and the military family are leaving Burma. Good for them.
@@godzillaeatsushi4979 Mymmar's previous government has better relationship with China. In fact, China doesn't even care about how their government goes. Stop bitching "China China". 🥴🥴
@@easonhuang7117 who you think told the Burmese government to take military coup in Burma recently? Chinese government doesn’t wants any democracy influence And took all Burmese natural resources from the people. Everyone in Burma knows Chinese are the problems
I wonder if there's a training element, as well. I'm not a pilot, but it seems like if you have an air force that's trained to use an F-16 it might be much easier to change to an F-35 than to the Russian or Chinese equivalent.
F-16 and F-35 are totally different platform we rely more on the fact that we will get new pilot train them in the 5th gen platform than retraining 4th gen fighters
It’s so different I can’t even comprehend to explain how
@@ko-Daegu yeah I believe you. I'm in aerospace engineering, I get how different the capabilities are at least, I just don't know what it's like to operate them. I thought there might be some similar operational principles at work, especially on some of the platforms that have seen continuous upgrades.
Pakistani pilots have switched from f16s to jf17s and j10s quite easily
@@samsniper2000downgrade
@@IslamistSocialist371 in terms of dogfighting performance? Yes. In terms of avionics, missiles, and radar? Absolutely not, they had F-16As lol
As a Bangladeshi 🇧🇩we used china air craft for a long time..j17 and j10c really good for us...but yes global politics takes Major role in this term
Nah those jets are trash. Japan has been able to see them multiple times with their radar even though it’s supposed to have radar absorbing material.
Debt trap
@@howhigh0521 you can see all non stealth aircraft with sufficiently powerful radar. Especially huge and powerful ground radars Japan has. Radar absorbing material doesnt make a plane stealth. It makes it so it will be detected from a shorter distance. Your comment is dumb
Really? How many wars you fought and won? How many wars China won? Real wars.
@@howhigh0521 The JF17 and the J10C are not stealth aircraft, not anywhere near to 5th gen fighters like the F-22 or J-20. The JF17 is more along the lines of 4th gen and is designed to be an affordable reasonably capable replacement for anyone wanting to upgrade from earlier jets (like the F7/Mig-21). The J-10C is more of a 4.5 gen fighter like the Gripen or Rafael. They have some low observable aspects but were never designed to be stealth fighters. The only stealth fighters that China has are the J-20 and J-31.
thanks for sharing this Chris.
My theory why China can't seem to sell its "modern" jet fighters: Economics. As China has grown economically, its client nations didn't. As the cost to build those fighters increased, due to increased development costs and capabilities, the financial capability of those likely to buy them didn't increase. This is putting them in direct competition with western jet fighters with proven track records.
I would argue about development costs, cyber espionage is the name of the game to save *billions* in development time and money
@@endutubecensorship I've been hearing that despite cyber espionage, development costs for modern jet fighter capabilities are still very high.
@@namyun2743 I'm sure the cost is high even with access to other countries data packages, I'd bet they have saved a ton of money as well
@@endutubecensorship True. However, sometimes the development cycle itself is important to the end product than just the blueprints to the end product.
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China’s only hope to expand its market would be to take Russia’s traditional customers which would then sour Sino-Russo relations so they’re stuck in a bit of a hard situation
The biggest buyer of Russian Jets ( after China ofcourse) is India, which will never buy Chinese Jets.
And Russia will never just give up a customer as big as them.
And Nations like Turkey, will likely be developing their own low end jets, while buying the high end equipments from Russia.
@@thebestevertherewas 😂
And that list isn't very long, especially with India about done with Russian equipment.
Not necessarily. As Binkov pointed out several times, purchasing fighter jets is as much political as it is about capabilities or cost. If China embarrassed a country with Western military ties, it could start a shift to Sino military purchases in other parts of the world. Imagine a successful "reintegration" of Formosa due to lack of Western will. That could cause other nations to rethink their decisions. At a lower level, even a Sino client state successfully annexing land from a rival state could change the calculus. Politics is about will.
@@f-ducket4586 What that would cause is Japan and South Korea to develop their own nukes, which they could do very quickly.
I believe the majority of akm's in world circulation are actually type 56's
The type 56 is milled so its not an AKM technically
@L C thanks for the knowledge
Mine is a Mac90 sporter which is basically what L C stated with a thumb hole stock to comply with US laws at the time of original import
Yeah, but the AK is such a good design that not even china can fuck it up.
@L C Yes the stamped version is called Type 56-1, that one you could call an AKM buy not a regular type 56
Thanks Binkov
All great points, but I can't help but wonder the whole Flanker copies dispute is also part of it. Potential buyers (outside the PRC's traditional customers) could be concerned with how much of the equipment was properly made/acquired, vs how much was stolen or perhaps copied poorly. The fact that alot of the PRC's defense industry has origins elsewhere, means that they don't develop as much stuff themselves compared to Russia, US or European Nations.
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Well, even many western military expert agree that China make better flankers than Russia now days. Russia is really lagging behind in electronics, J-16 had AESA radar, which Su-35 dont even have. China spent way more money than Russia to refine the flanker design, the new air frame with composite material last longer and lighter. The only advantage Russia has is TVC engines.
what is aircraft without an engine , duh!!!
China doesnt sell Flankers r the last fig leaf of the poor light industry of Russia. i belive if China want to sell the Flankers Russia will be glad to buy some to upgradation their own Flankers
现在俄罗斯已经在购买座舱内的设备和电子系统的零件了，中国不买“侧卫”系列飞机是因为和俄罗斯有知识产权谅解协议的限制@@MoZizhuang
What a fantastic lesson! Thanks for making.
The problem with reverse engineering is the lack of nuanced knowledge one gets from doing the development.
Thank you for your support
Exactly right, you are 100% correct. This is the main reason China will always be at least half a generation (probably more in reality) behind the United States military. Until they learn to start innovating and designing their own products properly - rather than just spying, copying and reverse engineering - this will always be the case. A lot of Chinas products are very good, but they’re significantly behind the technology of the USA. Even Russia develops their own military hardware on a higher level than China, but even they’re not up to the standard of the USA.
Just look at it this way. The F22 Raptor has already been around for nearly 20yrs and would be capable of blowing anything out of the sky. The J20 only entered service a few years ago, they barely have any of them, and so far the engines are absolute garbage along with many other quality issues. So China introduces its first “fifth generation” fighter to its military & it is laughably inferior to the F22 that has been around for nearly two decades. Not only that but the F35 is being introduced en-masse (yes it is not without its problems too, but despite what all the UA-cam wannabe Lockheed Martin consultants say, it is a very capable jet when used correctly) and the USA is well on the way developing its 6th generation of plane. The point is, you cannot EVER get ahead in a technological arms race if all you ever do is copy, cheat, spy and steal intel and tech from your enemies.
@@Austrian-Painter-88 they did send their brains to western colleges for a reason though
@@Austrian-Painter-88 Many Soviet-era warplanes and missiles were called "Ski" by the U.S. after U.S. models, such as Tomcat Ski, Harpoon Ski, and so on. This means that they were copied and stolen from American technology. Do you know that if the Soviet Union's strong military industry relied only on theft and imitation of U.S. products, how could it compete with the United States for a long time? Now that Russian military industry has not come out with anything new for a long time, and the sudden development of China's military industry has started to worry the U.S., repeating the smear tactics that disparaged the Soviet Union back then is the best means to damage China's international image and strike the credibility of China's military equipment exports. Caution and mislead potential Chinese military customers who may cross markets with the U.S., such as instead of buying Chinese imitations it is better to buy American goods with more guaranteed quality.
When the gap between China's weapons and equipment and the United States-led world advanced level is too large, there is no willingness to speculate on the topic of theft, because no one will believe it. And now China's equipment technology is getting closer and closer to the world's advanced level, and the speed of improvement is so fast that it is inevitable that others will punish the mouth of the fast. But it's hard to fool the educated people. In the U.S. speculation that Chinese agents showed up at the crash site of the helicopter that killed Osama bin Laden, the U.K.'s Jane's Defense Weekly editor-in-chief Phil Stead pointed out that China was able to crack top U.S. stealth technology with just a photo and a little coating sample. He said there was nothing unusual about the fuselage of the downed U.S. helicopter, and that the key component with a fairly high-tech level was the engine, which China could not study if it just looked at the fuselage. He also said that during the Cold War, both the United States and the Soviet Union have claimed that their military secrets were "stolen", but many times they were singing empty city tricks, more to show off their latest level of military research, or simply to scare each other.
So the U.S. accusation of promoting China's technology theft is, in the end, a war of public opinion between countries. And as long as the U.S. technology has been ahead of China, then the U.S. rumors will still have a market and believers. So the only thing China has to do now is to catch up and go beyond, beyond the United States, the rumors will have no basis to stand on.
@@Austrian-Painter-88
yes, it's up to your views on that bro, no one forbids you to brag here
I have wanted J-10's in service with the Peruvian AF but after learning this about lack of parts I simply don't harbor the idea anymore.
Os russos também tem esse problema de pós compra, sempre falta peças e quando tem elas são 3x mais caras
@@skyulf6163
Os Russos agora querem os pagos em Rublos, nao mais Dolares pe la politica do Brics e essa.
One small correction, you have Bangladesh as a customer of Chinese aircraft in 1958 and 1965, Bangladesh became a soveriegn nation in 1971
Think he meant Pakistan bought it while they were occupying Bangladesh
@@certifiedhoodclassic7833 they werent really occupied though. Occupation usually requires an invasion of some form, they just had a brief window between independence from the British and true sovereignty, then they overthrew the Pakistanis who abused them. The Philippines for example was occupied by the US: they tried throwing out the spanish but got invaded by the US, then got occupied by the invading Japanese, then got actual independence.
@Varun , don't come into UA-cam comments bringing facts and truth. Next you're going try and tell us that Sri Lanka is now an independent country as well.
Not to be a buzzkill, but UA-cam cares about ad revenue and not about veracity. Otherwise what's happening in my part of the world right now would not be so savagely exploited by demagogues and pathological liars to get cheap clicks whilst some absent minded viewer is trying to virtue signal that they actually care about humanity. Of Course, note my sarcasm regarding the Sri Lanka bit.
It says "First flown" not "Sold". The purchases in Bangladesh could be well after 1971. The F6s were donated in the 80s for example.
Very good. A separate review video on Jf 17 can surely be made 👌
Modern mig 21
jf 17= junk fighter 17 blunder.
Made in china and painted in pakistan(hari chatni) 🤣🤣🤣
JF 17 is basically poor people's Raptor
@@GaffurGhisela abhinandan can tell better if it's a junk fighter or not
@@fredwick6051 no your Bajwa can told why his leg was shaking in fear of IAF. 🤣🤣
You do a damn good job on your content. Love it keep it up
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This is precise.
Back in 2014-15 Venezuela bought some Hongdu JL-8 light attack planes from china they also bought like a dozen Sukhoi Su-30 from Russia
Venezuela should be the most wealthy country in South America with their oil production capacity . At one point in recent history Venezuela was an influential member of OPEC and had a higher standard of living than almost every other South American nation . The socialist regimes of Hugo Chavez and his successor Nicholas Maduro have turned the country from a paradise to a shithole . Buying a few cheap Chicom aircraft for a depressed country is nothing to brag about .
@@victorwaddell6530
When did i brag? just a minor correction on the video while not making political comments.
I'm living in Venezuela right now do you think i don't know how socialism and the bunch of parasites that originally voted and supported it while money lasted ruined the country i live in.
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And how did that work out for them?
Since F-35's sales keep increasing, with decreasing cost due to mass production, China still needs more effort to compete with other sellers. Most important is to get rid of relying on Russians engine.
The F-35 sales are also flooding the 2nd hand market with F-16s and F-18s, even if they're sold with outdated radar, Israel sells upgrades to a lot of 2nd hand F-16 and Mig-29 customers.
@@mrvwbug4423 very true there will be alot of relatively cheap and well maintained western planes entering the market. It's already a crowed market. And with most countries wither in the bed of the Western countries or Russia, it's hard to see China picking up many new customers. Especially since their historical buyers can't afford advanced planes.
It's very dangerous to buy planes from China as they can place a kill switch or tracking on these planes. It's a big security risks to allow foreign techs to the military.
@@mikelbrenn111 nice joke
@@mikelbrenn111
Source?
I like how the JF-17 reminds me a little of the F-5E. Perhaps the Tiger II was actually the inspiration behind its design.
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@@Ghost0fPakistan
Existence is coexistence
Think of it as a love child of f-16 and mig 21
@@qasimjebran2687 sah astitva vad madhysth darshan agrahar nagraj ji astitva mulak manv kendrit chinten gyan abhyudaya sansthan manviya shiksha shodh sansthan raipur chhattisgarh se
@@qasimjebran2687 we can't stop war from war
Nice video.
Have you ever tried to get warranty on anything from China?
That should answer why..
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Warranty ? What's that
Yeps many african countries as far as ive read are having problems with after sales support with their military hardware
All those Chinese made phones are great. What are you talking about?
@@davenobody407 My family in Peru says otherwise. But tbf, that's just my personal experience.
Correction to Binkov, J-10CE being displayed at military expo only in 2020 and up for sale only in 2021 when WS-10B engines are widely available. J-10C was under prototype stage in 2019. Earlier, China was in a hurry to build enough engines for their own air force new fighters & replacing worn off AL-31 rebuilding the J-11A with totally new frame & avionics upgraded into J-11D & J-11DS.
JF-17 block 3 will receive WS-13 engines when it completed trials, China wanted to make them reliable therefore all the new engines are required to be tested to the limit exceeding years of non-stop running before entering mass production.
A lot of their domestic engine supply is also going into J-20s, the AL-31 underperforms in the J-20 the plane was designed around Chinese built engines that don't exist yet.
The J-20 will be impressive once the engine issue is sorted though, it's already considered better than the SU-57, and comparable to the F-35 (nothing can touch the F-22 in the air superiority role).
@@mrvwbug4423 China has high surplus of AL-31 from older aircraft and spares from past purchase. New Prototypes that aren't proven J-10B, J-15A, J-20 early variants under testing are fitted with AL-31 engines (expendable & less costly to lose 1 in case of mishap). WS-10B/C are fitted only when they passed testing & enter actual production along with AESA and advanced avionics. Because of J-20 purpose aimed for faster cruising/top speed & long range combat radius notably its long flat fuselage similar to Mig-31 therefore it would not have better maneuverability than Su-57 & F-22 even with TVC & WS-15 engines. Its dogfight capability is only for pulling target closer to HUD & engage with off boresight missiles. Whereas the future navalized stealth fighter for Type003 with CATOBAR launch will have superior maneuverability
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@@mrvwbug4423 The f22 is already an outdated product, such as short range, low load ammunition and so on. Unable to carry newer missiles.....
Can you do a similar video on why Japan or South Korea are not major arms suppliers?
Korea is already a global top 10 arms supplier for warships, jet trainers, AFVs and its famed K-9 self propelled howitzer recently adopted by Australia, Poland, India, Norway…
Japan because of its bloody expansionist 20th Century past has strict constitutional prohibitions and controls on arms exports.
As expected from their tech and automotive industries, both countries produce excellent materiel for use in their own respective large domestic markets and are preparing home-grown fifth generation fighter aircraft to complement the incoming F35s, plus a new generation of fixed wing adapted helicopter carriers and also purpose built true flat top aircraft carriers.
🤷🏾♂️🇬🇧
Japan's (US drafted) constitution prohibits sales of Japanese made military hardware. S. Korea is beginning to make its mark as a weapons supplier and is likely to grow quickly.
@@olanrewajuihenacho178 One thank you & like isn't enough, Thank you again
As you can see, every component of each weapon needs to be supported by an industrial system. South Korea exports a lot of weapons, but the core components are provided by European and American military enterprises. Due to historical and political reasons, the cost of Weapons made in Japan is very high and the cost performance is very low.
Their own weapons are foreign supplies assembled together.
7:30 The variant J-10C is actually using a domestic engine WS-10B, not AL-31F any more
While it could be said that the Chinese aerospace industry is kind of "rejected" by the world, the Chinese naval and land export market tells a whole different story. Speaking navally, smaller Chinese surface combatants such as the type 056As corvette and bigger 071E LHDs have hugely popular especially against third world countries with their strong capabilities and friendly budget. The same thing can be said for the southasian market for submarines, which is purely dominated by a high low Chinese combination of 039B AIP submarines and older 035s, with china selling more than 15 units in just the last 5-10 years.
Chinese land equipment market goes even further, ranging all the way from heavy armors such as the VT-4 and VT-5s to the vastly bought amphibious viecles such as the type 08s and ZPD 05s. In this case, buyers are not limited to just Asia and Middle East but spread all the way to Europe and the Americas, which consists not only of poor third world countries but also filthy rich 1 world ones.
its not rejected. chinese K8 and older J-7s sell like hot cakes. and the videos explains the other factors why the chinese 4th gens aren't sold widely.
until recently russia had a effective veto on any j-10 and jf-17 export.
and 4th gen is harder to sell just because not that many countries can afford them, chinese traditional customers are generally pretty poor. and those able to afford them already have 4th gens from elsewhere
the j-31 isnt a finished product and would have required any customers to take the risk and finish develop it.
that said, now that the j-10 has a chinese engine, it'll probably get more orders in due time/.
@God's Creature Articles? No idea what you're talking about mate. Onboard electronics of newer, say type-056 corvettes and type-054AE frigates are top of the line (at least taking into consideration their price), that's how the Chinese military shipbuilding industry has gained such loyal buyers (Thailand, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Algeria etc) who choose to equip their main surface combatants purely/mainly of Chinese ships, also buyers whom have lasted for more that half a century. Good price, easy maintenance and long durability are the key selling points of Chinese ships. Just to give you an example, the Shanghai class gunboats (type 062), small hundred tonned crafts with an age older than you grandparents, are still in service with more then 10 countries today. Fall apart? probably after the entire US fleet does loll
China doesn't export that many weapons and it Imports more weapons than it sells. That means either the quality or the production rate is not good enough for the Chinese military.
@God's Creature Yes yes, "inducted frigates", you must be an absolute naval expert to say that. The ship you are talking about is the BNS Bangabandhu, a frigate built by Korean shipbuilding firm Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering, which was used from 1999-2002 and was decommissioned after two years of service due to severe technical problems. The Chinese frigates you may be talk about are the two second hand Chinese type 053H3 frigates wihich had problems of fire control system as well as in the helicopter fuelling and defueling systems due to their age. The very reason why the Bangladesh navy bought those ships were because they were very satisfied with the ship´s "ancestor" the 053H2. And yes, the Bangladesh navy was so dissatisfied afterwards that they ordered another two second hand 053H3s, four more 056AEs corvette and 10 more Durjoy class ships.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor Easy reason, most western weapon producers (BAE, Loheed, Ratheon) are all private contractors/companies putting production and sales as their no.1 priority while Chinese weapons manufacturers are all state own companies working at the states political interest. This has nothing to do with quality or quantity. Most Chinese sales if you realize, serve more of political goal (and a ground for weapon testing) rather than a financial one. What does the sales of some million dollars to a third world country mean to the second biggest economy in the world? However, the relations build behind those cheap deals are what matters. There is not much of a reason for china to push too much it's export market while production and exports may basically determine the live and death of western weapon manufacturers.
I wouldn’t even buy a Chinese-designed and made tablet, let alone a Chinese-designed and made fighter jet.
Unless they’re selling them on Amazon with a 30 day return policy.
Silly man
You'd be hard pressed to find electronic device or components of it NOT made in China. The HP laptop I am using is from China, the mouse, the keyboard, iPhone, PC speakers, my PC monitor, and whole array of items I am looking at as I type, yep, Made In China.
@@kewlbeans9905 if you read carefully, I said designed in China in combination with them building it. Western companies hold their Chinese factories to higher standards so although I don’t like buying made in China if I can, I’m also aware enough that it’s not possible to buy nothing made from China. Thus why I said is only buy it with a 30 day return policy to make sure what they’re selling me isn’t a complete piece of garbage.
@@deleqtronica8733 Yes, I did not read that carefully. That 'and' was a pretty important qualifier. I would've completely retracted my statement had I seen the highest standards factories that produce super products not lose in Afghanistan. What good is F-22 or F-35 or high standard factories that produce such hardwire worth when a man sitting on a donkey resists US occupation and these high end products fail to deliver victory - in any field not just air power? I heard defense experts give pivotal role of air force, jets or air crafts in delivering victory in a war. Suppose, high end manufactured war planes claim fully superiority over a credible enemy in a hypothetical war but then to lose to an enemy AFTER it has turned to Afghanistan, i.e, no air force to speak of, renders that air superiority, high end factories design and make narrative unimpressive.
I think it is naive to underestimate a man's resolve and China has a resolve even if their factories and hardware may not be up to par. Technology can not fill moral strength needed to win any war. Occupying forces never have the moral strength - human history will confirm this.
I have graduated putting faith in material engineering to moral 'engineering' being more important. Because, when I asked myself this, will I only fight for my life and nation if I have super weapons when someone more powerful and technologically advanced enemies comes face to face with me and my nation or will I fight because I believe in my Cause? It helped me gain perspective.
So reducing any country's defense hardware to come with 30 day money back guarantee is also not a wise decision. Because in the end we are walking among ghosts as everything we experience will perish. What are we fighting for ultimately? Ideas that decay and die or ideas that live forever? In this are signs for those who reflect.
Thank you my friend - it is a pleasure chatting with you.
@@kewlbeans9905 Your laptop and mouse were put together in china, CPU is either from USA, Germany or Thaiwan, RAM is USA or South Korea, ssd South Korea USA or Thaiwan, Display South Korea, Czech Rep or Austria, the material for the plastics USA. network card USA or UK.
True Chinese systems made all in China are incredible garbage, the pile of broken shit you can buy on Etzy or Alibaba, that is the best knock off you can get from there.
Available on Wish
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I tried to find one, my neighbor won't stop blasting Justin Bieber.
They delivered a damn paper origami airplane instead smh
Best analysis and excellent presentation.
The fact that we get free documentaries on UA-cam by Binkov's Battlegrounds is truly a gift 👍
It's not free he has ads even when on premium.
Sh11t documentary
"Made in China"
That's all the answer anybody needs.
your iPhone and most smartphones
@@soheil527 So trash that breaks in a year thats hyper overvalued? Switched back to a flip phone 2 years ago, and saved a buttload of cash (and it does not break if you look at it wrong).
Smartphones are a scam, you dont need 99% of what they do.
@@soheil527 Mine says engineered in South Korea and assembled in Vietnam.
@@diosdadosantiago3360 mine too samsung baby...
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I don't know the answer, that's why i watch your video
I never asked, but I'm here so, eh
I think when buying a fighter jet, the last thing you want to find is a sticker that says "Made in China"😂
Facts
i think is made in India🤣🤣
I think the nations that are wealthy enough to buy fighter jets will simply buy from either western or russian manufacturers. China's aerospace engineering isn't internationally proven, but it might change over time.
the thing is, with the way air combat evolves, the nations that rise up probably will skip fighter jets alltogether for fleets of drones. the paradigm shift in air dominance was proven in the nagorno karabakh conflict where a moderately powerful military of Azerbaijan managed to have full aerial dominance over Armenia with mostly cheap drones.
so why even waste so much money on airfields, training and fuel for fighter jets if you can just do it for so much cheaper with drones?
That isnt gonna happen with karger nations with more spread out airfields that are actually defended.
This ignores the fact that Armenia had little to no electronic warfare capabilities. Currently drones are extremely vulnerable to modern EW equipment, this was shown when Iran captured an American RQ-170 BY hijacking it and forcing it to land.
True thats probably why Chinese drones are pretty popular while traditional systems are ignored for the most part.
All that conflict proved was that you need EW capabilities and decent SPAAG to not get curb stomped by cheap drones.
It wasnt proven at all. Armenia lacked both the fighter jets as well as modern Anti-air network. Its defence was mostly outdated by 30 years and irregular, all that against modern drones.
Smart video....good content, well presented.
I live less than 1300' from the Virginia Beach military airbase every time a jet takes off every part of my house shakes and I love the vibration of the afterburner when there doing the turning drills and touch landing exercises
Somewhere near Southern Blvd?
be prepared russians and chinese jets are coming to land ... there may not be many landings after that
@@chaseshaw22 potters road off lynnhaven.. I can literally feel then take off everytime.and have a clear view of the entire runway..it's wild that there's residential and business so close to them
The J-10 multi-role fighter has been heavily used by the PLA? Where/for what have they used it?
Based on what ive been able to read and this is a general expectations of all chinese companies. After sales service sucks
Based on what I've been able to read and this is a generalisations of all westerners. They are all simpletons and find bliss in their ignorance and arrogance.
What service? They copy products with inferior parts, workmanship and quality, then laugh when someone buys them. Try returning anything bought online from China. After the sale you'll never hear from them again, except for nameless wolf warrior morons.
A few years ago our mining company bought a chinese made ball mill. It was much cheaper than european brands. They sent over some technicians and it took them roughly 6 months to make it operational. Our company lost substantial revenues waiting for them to make their own product work. Should have bought European or American mining equipment.
@@katana1960 don't buy cheap stuff then
@@muhtadaali8847 I try not to, but the Chinese have put many higher end manufacturers out of business. Sometimes you don't have a choice, but I'm sure you have the same issues in your country.
Sales will improve if they stamp "MADE IN TAIWAN"
"West Taiwan"
Taiwan just crashed 4 jets in one year. Another one just now
@Bentencho ,
Taiwan is just the geographical name of a single island. You silly drone
@@VashtheStampede007 it is a country . 😒
@@tanmayadas68 keep repeating a lie. Taiwan's official name is Republic of China. It is on their passports, ID cards, etc.
Why would I buy a knock-off when I can buy the original for the same price?
This doesn't really apply anymore, chinese flankers are better than russian. They surpassed russian fighter industry.
@@Rssika get back to us when they get a handle on how to build modern jet engines.
Comments like yours remind me how often people like to post without watching the actual videos.
@James Bond keep dreaming. Hope Xi pays you the 50 cents he owes you for this post.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 Oh, it is there. WS-10 is in domestic production. Sure, jet production was a big weak point, but they're getting there. People often think that avionics are hard part of aircraft building, but it's actually engines.
I'm wondering if the export models has the cockpit text and main interface translated to English language.
Probably, but using google translate like the packing on Chinese components I buy xD
Honestly the updated Mig-21s might outlast many of the new jets that China is putting out in market. The thing is just like the A-10 where it just needs updates and its good to go!
The A-10 is very overrated though
I disagree that China has no use for the JF-17. They think they don't. But a modern 4th or even 4th+ gen aircraft that is cheap to produce and maintain could have sped up replacement of the nearly useless J-8 squadrons. It could have served as a potent home land defender both air and ground. It's low cost could have increased the number of aircraft capable of using modern weapons available over the Homeland by a substantial amount. China is copying the U.S. military and doctrine, and as a result they are thinking offensively. But if war breaks out in the Pacific they will be under attack directly, and possibly from many directions. Having inexpensive modern multirole fighters available in large numbers would definitely be an asset in such a situation. While "quality" matters alot. Once at a decently even level of technology Stalin's old saying still has merit.
There aren't that many j-8 left though, and def not gonna be send out in active war or conflict (at least in initial stages, if there do get full air dominance they might get send out i suppose)
*Lenin
China has the second highest defence budget in the world, J-10 is considered cheap for China, and even the engine is now demestic model.
but it doesnt use it IF it has Flankers why it use small JF17 but not a big J11? like male most of us like big bosom but not a small one right?
I am Chinese，China use j10a，j16，j20，j10c，j16d，j15，j15d，su30MKK，su35，su27，j11b，j11d，j10b，jf7 not j7，different fighter ，China doesnt use jf17
Makes sense.
Weapons of Death should have a balance of performance, quality, accessibility, and price. In today's time... we shouldn't need to fully deck a single plane that might be shot down within a few minutes during time of war. Imagine having 5 planes vs 10+ with 70~80% of it's capabilities. Imo all weapons are considered as disposable and shouldn't be over invested into.
Absolutely true. The best testing ground is: the warzone. Those weapons in any form won't even 2 mins
The more expensive plane to procure isn’t actually more expensive, not when the cheaper competition has a higher likelihood of loosing both the plane *and* the pilot who costs more to train than the plane does.
Tell that to the expensive F-15 with its kill-to-loss ratio of 104-0, or any stealth fighter. The bigger issue is planes becoming obsolete and never being used since war is exceedingly rare these days. When war does happen, you HAVE TO WIN, and fighters (and attack subs) are the apex predators that determine the outcome. That's why the outsize investment is worth it. They are literally war-winning weapons.
Amazon can't ship them ??
Won’t be surprised if it’s because they’re substandard.
"Only real peace can bring us all together" 💚
@Wiegraf they raid your camp steal your possessions and lay with your women.
@Wiegraf try telling that to Subutai.
Egypt is a good middle-ground country for East v West comparisons. Before 1980, Egypt bought Soviet military hardware almost exclusively, with occasional European purchases, too. After 1980, Egypt bought american military hardware almost exclusively, for at least 20 years. In the last 20+ years, however, Egypt has bought some american hardware, but has seemed to prefer buying Russian jets over american ones. In point of fact, the american government has directly instructed the Egyptian government that is CANNOT purchase Russian jets any more, since the sanctions on Russia are now in place and if Egypt DOES make these purchases, Egypt will and be sanctioned.
Regardless, the fact that in 2022, Egypt wants to buy Russian jets instead of buying more american ones is a very telling fact and one that I think should be borne in mind when comparing military hardware. Now that China is looking for buyers, it's possible that Egypt might be forced to purchase Chinese jets since it can't get the Russian ones and doesn't want the american ones.
And?
Shithole Egypt buying russian jets means they are better?
Bwahahahahahaha!
I imagine the price matters here as well. Especially when the Ruble wasn’t artificially propped up by the Russian Central Bank. A cheaper Ruble via the US Dollar you get good aircraft at a lower price.
It’s price $$$
Russian jets are a hell of a lot cheaper than American, same with tanks.
Is the J-10 an unlicensed copy of the F-16?
From what aspect can you find these two jets similar?Both have wings?
@@RichardDerick-qo8tc😂😂😂😂😂😊
Actually based on IAI lavi
I sincerely request Binkov to do India Vs China battle scenario
I Demand a Video on the Great Clan Ross' Resurrection, and we have Tons of Nukes and make all the Nations Tremble like in the Bible! Gog and Magog Baby! Let's get it on!
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He did
i know that he did, but i would like to see a 2022 version, where both the countries have upped their game significantlly, with new deals and weaponries
There is a chance of india winning against pak. But they will be bF%ked by China no doubt.
@@hendostanasmajilyaath5500 are u sure you are not talking about how india f$ckd China in galwan?
It would make sense for the Chinese air force to have a top spec jf17 with their premium restricted electronic systems as a 2nd line fighter bomber and support aircraft as a reasonably priced replacement for the mig21's they still have in service,
The j10's might not be priced right or made quickly enough to be a total replacement option for older legacy systems
A jf17 fitted out with all of China's top equipment would be pretty potent tool especially for a 2nd line option
yeah, premium and "made in china" usually don't mix. they can't even build anything without it falling apart in 5 years there. bridge collapses, hospitals, apartments, you name it, it goes up then falls down
@@Adierit maybe US top generals can cure your ignorance and believe me they're paid handsomely to made such assesments.
@@arminius6506 i'll believe it when i see it, although any of these big nations going to a serious war will never happen without nuclear armageddon so, it won't really matter
Wouldn’t the J-10C fit the bill? The J/F-17 exists because the Pakistanis wanted something they could domestically produce.
@@Adierit "your belief" doesn't matter, there are millions of people who believe that Earth is flat. What matters is the reality.
Nobody was talking about war at all so you don't need to brought war into this matter
The core of Pakistani and Indian air fleet is based of chinese and russian fighters respectively. They both however put their western supplied jets ahead. Mirage 2000s now Rafael for Indian and F-16s for pakistan.
Pakistan has a fleet of F-16
Time of f16 is over for Pakistan. Block 3 and j10s are now spearhead...
That might be true for Pakistan but India use Russian Su30s .
@@pritsingh9766 No it doesn't. They always put Mirage 2000s in front with SU-30s providing secondary cover. IAF themselves have admitted to engine, radar and other reliability concerns with SU-30s. They are still spending huge amount of resources just for the subsystems of the SU-30s to integrate with the aircraft. If they had just chosen Russian source sensors and avionics for SU-30 , they would have had less issues but they chose a hodge-podge of equipment on a single aircraft.
Mirage 2000 is simple, effective and extremely reliable. It was showing its age and that is why Rafaels are being purchased and mirages put through a mid life upgrade.
@@VashtheStampede007 Ideally Pakistan would want f-16 V instead of J-10 given our experience with this platform and the whole logistic side of things but alas politics would prevent that so long story short the era of f-16 is over for Pakistan
British and American spies probably nicked/yoinked some. One of my favorite stories is how the CIA maintained the T-72 instructional manual in India. It included a cliche car chase and an agent jumping out of a moving car to escape the KGB. Fun facts with me. You're welcome.
Real james bond shiz
Our country plans to buy JF-17, if not then MIG-35 or F-16
Just curious, what is your country?
@@samanvithveeravelli7512 i think Argentina?
@@horuslupercal3872 I agree. Given his name Argentina seems to be his country. I heard Argentina is interested in FC-17s as their options to replace their current fighters are very limited. As an example, not long ago they had their purchase of Korean FA-50s blocked becuase it incorporated British components.
I would probably go for the J-10, it's more advanced, a little more expensive and has more variants.
@@solomonokoli212 they dont want to sell us J-10
China would probably have more luck marketing to Sub Saharan African nations; most of those countries operate heavily outdated Russian jets, outdated helicopters or outdated Western light combat jets and trainers like Alpha Dornier, F-5, Dassault Mirage F1 or MIG 23. Also, China could use the defense contracts to increase their influence on the African continent
India is trying to cap that market.
@@kartikeykasniya6971 we are trying in south east asia too, vietnam phillipines etc
@@TusharSharma-cy9xo i know. Sale of cruise missiles and air defence systemz
They don't have money to even buy the JF-17.
China's allies or friendlies are mostly underdeveloped to developing countries... Very few can afford modern fighter jets, all of exported jets were small numbers. BTW, western allies and friendlies are mostly developed countries or at least developing countries with good economic scale. They can afford quite a numbers of modern 4.5 gen to state-of-the-art stealth fighters.
Developing cut that
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Even west face economic cruises chine produce more J-20 THAN F-35 EUROPE CAN'T PRODUCE 5 GH FIGHTEREVDN FRANCE CANT ABLE TO O DEVELOP M88 ENGINE FIR EGYPT AND UAE REQUIREMENTS
Lately, seeing a “Made in China” tag has turned a lot of people away.
That wages comment really shows how much the world has changed in 20, let alone 40, years. Russia has fallen behind so severely and continues to fall behind to the point where China is now the one with the higher quality of living and per capita incomes. I imagine the future Russo-Chinese partnership will become a bit less equal as China continues to hold more cards.
indeed!
I really love Russia and people there but i think Russia is slowly becoming a junior partner of Chinese. Call me crazy but I am 100% sure that Lavrov is a Chinese spy sitting in Kremlin .China copies their weapons, many Chinese even talk about taking back Vladivostok but Russians cannot see that .
@@pritsingh9766 There is no serious scenario where China would contemplate taking Vladivostok.
@@theoderic_l +20 social credit.
Global warming to the rescue!
Bangladesh Air Force got their F/J-7BGI in 2013.
They were in dire need of stop gap fighter jets at that time.
F-7BGI is the most latest mig-21 version.
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China has a great reputation for their products and it applies to their fighters as well.Countries which have the amount of money needed for other planes will definitely go for them. Even their closest Pakistan tries to avoid Chinese planes and its always their last resort. How can you build a cutting edge design from copied tech from Russia and west?
Are you okay?
You must be joking
Bruh that’s a lie
You are simply jealoused because the Pakistani built JF-17 Thunder has literally left LCA Tejas far behind, and don't forget how JF-17 Thunder shot down two Indian Russian-made jets in 2019.
@@cp12298 🤣🤣 thanks for lighting up my mood
Simple,buying a Chinese product is a gamble if you are lucky you may get a good one if not you are just throwing your money from a small torch to a fighter plane
i think most country dont want to buy multimillion dollar paperweight, if you going to spent million might as well buy the
top-shelf stuff that won't break after couple use
Ngl, I think most of your videos are kind of bleh, but this one was well done. I don't know why you do so many crappy military comparison videos when you're actually really good at political/strategic analysis.
I like all his videos tbh.
So to summarise.. its geopolitics, lack of chinese engines mean russian approval is needed, and new to arms market is the main reason chinese arms are not sold widely.. very informative and great video mate 👍
Two years passed, this video have to eat his own sheet. Few countries aleeady brought China fighter jets.
What a great timing to release this video lol. Pakistan just announced its decision to purchase 25 J10Cs.
Please do the onion division vs all of earth’s militaries
What the gell is that?
Lately the operators of Chinese drones are returning them or canceling their contracts, much to Turkey’s delight. The Chinese drones didn’t integrate well with the rest of the battle management systems. Turkey has found a sweet spot in the market being able to pretty much deal with all comers and they have a complete competent array of products that integrate well. The US has also altered some of their restrictions, possibly because of Turkish success, and is once again broadening their customer base.Russia is only now starting to integrate drones and offering exports. A drone is much more than a winged asset, it has to function across numerous lines to be fully valued.
I believe these Turkish drones had a big impact in the recent Azerbaijan-Armenian war where the technical superiority of the Azerbaijani military led to victory and specifically the Turkish drones were key contributers to Azerbaijani military success.
@@OwenRhodri But basically Armenia fought against 3 countries at the same time; Azerbaijan, Turkey & Pakistan. So it was pretty lopsided war.
@@BlackHawkTejas Absolutely. Armenia had no real chance. Azerbaijan led a swift victory using a higher military investment, advice from allies and 21st century technology. Azerbaijan will probably continue to grow in power due to their advantage in natural resources, however will probably not continue any advancement across the Armenian border due to Russian peacekeepers.
@@OwenRhodri Ya! That's true. Armenia needs to be smart & upgrade it's military by using modern equipments from wherever it is available. It's better to be over prepared than under.
@@BlackHawkTejas I hope whatever happens conflict will not start up again as I will be in both countries this upcoming March haha
Thank you for your output I find it insightful surely Russia like the Western aircraft manufacturing countries are fed up with the CCP coping their own domestic product for no financial payment. And as a mechanical engineer I have seen first -hand how Chinese quality sucks
_Chabuduo_ strikes again! The Chinese can catch up in product quality, for the right price. In the 1950s not too many Western consumers were happy with Japanese consumer goods. By the 1980s, practically every Western consumer was swearing by Japanese consumer goods like cars and TV sets.
China does not want to conduct research behind closed doors, but the United States prohibits China from accessing any advanced technology. The United States leads the West in imposing the strictest technological blockade on China. And Russia is not happy for China to learn away its few advanced technologies.
Therefore, it is not that China is unwilling to purchase patents, but that the United States does not give China the right to purchase patents. Just like China was once rejected by the European Galileo system and the International Space Station (even if funds were invested through formal channels).
Noble bitch, don't confuse cause and effect.
Serbia has procured a chinese FK-3 AA system, CH-92 and CH-95 drones, we'll see about the planes ... that's next
MIG21 would be much better for Serbia.
The Serbian MoD wants to replace the MiG 29 with French Rafale F4.
@@user-xj3ve7wt8k MiG21 is for Croatia, thats what they know how to use 🤣🤣
You left off the MAJOR reason that determines which aircraft are bought: BRIBERY. Arms merchants are VERY generous with kickbacks.
bribery is money, money is politics
I'm sorry, are you unironically acting like China doesn't have a massive treasure chest just for bribing officials already?
It should be noted that 64% of JF-17 is Manufactured in Pakistan and 36% is manufactured in China. All the Jf-17 orders which both countries able to get are actually build by both countries jointly. Pakistan is currently working on the capability to build 80% manufacturing goals. Furthermore Pakistan rolled out first 10 units of JF-17 Block 3 very silently few days ago. The reasons for seceracy is that Pakistani JF-17 Block 3 are actually very different from Chinese Jf-17 Block 3. But in front they will claim that the both planes are same.
Pakistani sources also claimed that they now complete the design of first Dual Engine JF-17 which will be labeled as JF-18 and will be considered a completely new Medium to Heavy multi role Fighter and will evolve separately from JF-17.
You just assembled it and painted it 😂.. Its Russian discarded Design, Developed by China.
@@mehakdeepsingh4849 Now Ladies and Gentlemen, Here we have a Indian Nationalist.
@@zainjawaid2556 You Don’t have to mention ‘Nationalism’, The Word Indian includes it within.
@@mehakdeepsingh4849 boom roasted.lol
@@zainjawaid2556 oh well jf17 is obviously 69th gen intergalactic fighter don't distroy India please.
Not for sales yet although many countries had requested for it. Usually when they have a newer model then the current model China may consider selling the export version just like it Type55 are not for sales yet.
The only reason Eastern military products are bought in the first place is because of a countries inability to buy Western product's for political reasons or budgetary constraints.
Does the west has anything like S400 ?
@@महिमापुनःआनयन्तु You mean the same s400 that is useless against HIMARS? Well the west does have the THAAD
@@महिमापुनःआनयन्तु that system doesnt work
@@_osvaldo___5529 It works FAR better than anything the West has. Only Israel has comparable systems.
"jet engines are not a soothing sound"
*we beg to differ*
I always assumed there were two schools of thought The countries which wanted to pay top dollar to get the “best” equipment Would buy American. Everyone else bought Russian.
Chinese buyers were like the leftovers.
The fighter jet market in a nutshell. Those privileged enough to be in the exclusive club buy the latest and the greatest from the Americans. Those outside the club who still want top quality buy French, German, or Swedish. Russian jets occupy the bargain bin, and dumpster divers buy Chinese.
The list of Russian buyers reads like a meeting of the Desperado Club.
If you can't afford American, you're going to get French or some other European.
You only get Russian if your country is ruled by people in big hats.
Their fighter with the cannards must have very superior pitch control allowing it to out manuver the F-22.