Very good comparison vid. I started modelling as a kid in the early 70's where the shops pretty much only had Tamiya and a few Italeri kits, so I grew up on Tamiya kits and still love them today. However, when ICM came along I was very happy indeed, even though they have some very difficult times in the Ukraine, they still manage to produce excellent kits. ICM and Masterbox figures are the best in my opinion, but Tamiya has finally learned that their figures needed serious updating, and now the modern Tamiya figures are exceptionally good, almost as good as some of the resin kits available. When I buy kits, it's mainly for the subject matter, I don't really care about the manufacturer or the age, a bit of flash here and there doesn't matter, it's all part of modelling, if something is missing detail, it's very easy to scratch build some extra details, I don't understand those that complain about a bit of extra work. Continue modelling until those fingers no longer work and eyes no longer see !
Hello there @subliminalstyrene811 and thanks for watching. Thanks i have tried this kind of vid before with Tamiya's Panther range though first time i have put different manufacturers in the vid. As a novice i still appreciate the ease of the Tamiya kits but in my opinion this Tamiya is seriously hindered by the figures, the vehicle still looks pretty good. Same as you i have a rather large 1/72 aircraft project that i intend to start shortly which is very much a thematic project utilising modern, vintage and scarce kits from a variety of manufacturers.
hello again @bobrivett7645 this a link to my playlist for "haul unboxings", about 20 of them, basically i unpack what i have purchased, quite a lot of kits and many thousands of pounds worth for future UA-cam Vids, my mountain of Small European air force kits for my soon to come series's of thematic reviews and build series's are all mixed in here. The european aircraft obsession is in the more recent ones so start at the bottom, 4 more of these are pre recorded awaiting release over the next few week. ://studio.ua-cam.com/users/playlistPLq7NxxVyTV6BA6YmZ164tnVXg6FKr83Cd/videos
@@TheNoviceModeller I love watching Model kit unboxing vids and especially Stash vids, so believe me when I say I have already watched most of your unboxing haul vids and am currently binge watching through your whole vid collection, not that many left to watch really. C'mon ! get your finger out and get some more vids done soon ;)
@@bobrivett7645 For fighters and modern jets I prefer 1:48 scale, more detail, but the big Bombers like Lancasters I get 1:72 simply because of the size. But yeah ! I have a big 1:72 scale Bomber I wish to put into a Diorama with the Airfix Bomber refuelling set on the airfield. Looking forward to building that !
Horses for courses. Over 40 years difference between release dates demonstrating the strides made in kit design. Incidentally, Tamiya have updated their version-Ausf D, actually, to include new combat figures. The number for that kit is 35195. ICM kits are challenging to build, but that just reflects the level of detail and is offset the possibility of creating servicing dioramas in addition to combat scenes. You can get airbrush masking stencils for the tactical markings-Rado Miniatures and Alliance Model Works, among others make them.
Morning Jeremy, Yes i think its an interesting subject and yes have seen the updated 1990 - 1995 versions which i am sure are better, but are now 29 - 34 years old. I agree, it is horses for courses and the internet changes everything, however my local model shop sells Tamiya 1/35 including this 251/1 and the that's about it. I actually have a bunch of Mistercraft 1/72's to do a film on in a few weeks, last time i featured a Mistercraft in February i was hit with a wave of negativity, old kits, reboxes, re-issues, dressing up old kits from different manufacturers as their own, etc, etc and fair enough what they do is naughty and i learned a whole load of things about kit manufacturers and Scalemates from that vid, i ended up building the Mistercraft 50/50 with a Smer (incidentally there was no outrage about Smer reboxing the original Heller though).i think the thing that bothers me a bit about all this is that Tamiya who are pretty much the BIG NAME brand are still putting 50 year old kits on the shelves and its OK, they are the BIG BOYS and they don't even have to try and hide what they are doing, however if that kit was disguised minus the figures which are what to me lets this kit down the most, in a Mistercraft box, i do wonder what the response would be. Anyway i suppose the horses for courses question is which one would you buy?
Tamiya hands down for me, Although I'm the age when Tamiya were No1, I tend to buy the Tamiya vintage kits to store and enjoy just looking at the boxes, I know its sad but I like the whole thing box included, Although I have a Esci 1.9 scale beemer and sidecar boxed present from my wife many yrs ago!
Hello there @tonyrobinson362 and thanks for watching. the next four vids going up are from my Tamiya/Airfix OOP (out of production) 1/35 collection and i ponder why these are not part of the current line up, especially WHATS IN THE BOX. TAMIYA 1/35, 35220; GERMAN KUBELWAGEN MAINTENANCE SET. KIT REVIEW NO. 132 which is a great little kit. As for looking at boxes in 7 months i have amassed 400, and gazing at boxes, thinking of all the challenges and fun that lie ahead is very much part of my interpretation of this hobby also.
Tamiya *did* make an updated skdfz 251, the sdkfz 251/1D, kit 35195 from 1995. It's much more detailed and accurate than the early "Hanomag". The "Hanomag" is a pet peeve of mine. It has a completely inaccurate interior, although the driving positions aren't bad. I suspect that there are two possible reasons for this: 1) Tamiya based their research on the 251/1C at Bovington Tank Museum. The museum example is actually a 251/8C captured in North Africa but they mislabeled it as a 251/1. You can tell because of the presence of the water barrel between the front seats which was only found on the 251/8. In addition, the interior of the 251/8 was stripped to make room for stretchers so no seats or storage compartments were visible for Tamiya to view. They had to make up seats by guessing. 2) The Tamiya kit was originally meant to be motorized. As such, the model was widened a couple of mm to make room for batteries and gear box. Presumably the interior would be covered by a tarp. Thus a detailed interior was not needed and was added as an afterthought.
Hello there @billsoo306 and thanks for watching. Thanks for the additional info, very interesting. A visit to Bovington is on my to do list. As a novice of about 7 months kit building, mostly 1/72 aircraft i find the re-boxing or utilisation of very old tools to produce kits to be both fascinating and infuriating, especially when the price between a "new" kit" is so similar to that of an "old" kit, your point about the updated Tamiya offering is a case in point, as the superior modern kit retails for pretty much the same money as the older variant. i discovered all this early on and kind of like comparing kits to see the basic differences, ( i have done a couple of these "kit comparison" vids). i have a few interesting projects lined up shortly, i will be starting what i call my BIG PLAN in a week or so and am also travelling on Wednesday to meet up with another modeller with a rather extensive kit collection. hope to see you again in the comments section of my bizarre little modelling channel. best regards andy be seeing you.
Tamiya started producing these 1/35 kits when I was a kid in the late 60s-70s , and at that time were one of the few , if not the only maker coming out with these WW2 vehicle kits including figures (Italeri , ESCI , Heller and Airfix were also in the market at the time). I still recall the thrill of seeing the box art on these kits displayed at my old town hobby shop which doesn't exist any more .The fact that they are still producing these kits today speaks volumes about their 'value' ... sure there are newer manufacturers , and I like ICM and some others for better detail maybe , especially when it comes to figures (I think Master Box , Dragon , even newer Tamiya are exceptional) but I will take an older easier to build , perhaps less rivet-counter accurate Tamiya over a more complicated Dragon or other manufacturer that are more frustrating and time consuming to build ... in the end this hobby is about FUN ... if you want an more exact model replica of a vehicle , aircraft , ship or vehicle have at it ...
Hello there @johnjozifek7910 and thanks for watching. I totally agree with most of what you have said and as a novice with a mountain of kits both modern and vintage, i like to think i appreciate them all for there differences and variety. As a general rule i am pretty positive about most of the kits i review, this format of video is kind of new for me , i have compared the KIT COMPARISON; TAMIYA'S PANTHERS; 35065 £15, 35170 £25, 35345 £35. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES? previously ua-cam.com/video/pCJ1-YPLFFY/v-deo.html and from a viewing figures point of view it was far more successful than the combined singular review vids for the standalone kits, this vid appears to be going the same way, unfortunately producing UA-cam vids is a bit of a numbers game; and this kind of vid for me is experimental. On the whole i think the vehicle still stands up well for its age though it is the figures that let it down in the modern world. The part i agree wwith most in your comment is when you mention FUN, i am 100% behind your statement here, a believe FUN is the most important part of any hobby. Best regards andy be seeing you.
The Tamiya kit is their first version of the Sd.Kfz. 251 that they released (over 50 yrs ago) and it is the less common version of the Ausf. C with a riveted hull vice the more common welded hull. When manufacturing of the 251 Ausf. C commenced, there were several manufacturers building it but one of them (forget which one), at least initially and for some time, did not have the facilities to weld the hulls together so they riveted them. The Ausf. A, B, and D were all welded. Tamiya later came out with an Ausf. D version which was much more refined and detailed but it too is now over 30 years old. Dragon has a whole slew of Sd.Kfz. 251 kits in two different marks (C and D) and several variants. Zvezda has both an A and B version in several variants and now Academy I believe has a new tooled Sd,Kfz. 251 Ausf. C kit. While the Tamiya kit is old, less detailed, and dimensionally challenged, it goes together well and still looks the part when completed.
Hello there @albapfalzd3102 and thanks for watching. You obviously know your stuff, i am a novice trying to learn stuff, so thanks for your extra insight. I think generally i agree with a lot of what your saying and yes i think i remarked that the vehicle itself is not too bad for a 50 yr old kit and i am sure that in a skilled set of hands, when complete with a load of stowage you would probably be hard pressed to tell the difference; and yes i was aware of the newer variants by Tamiya, i don't have them, they are newer yet still old, so doesn't really seem relevant for me to mention them and the others kits made by other manufacturers; as i am comparing these two, which currently i have discovered, are available for similar prices. Though like i said in the vid, the elephant in the room is the figures and you haven't voiced an opinion on the figures. Personally in my opinion the figure set is what lets this kit down, if it was dropped and the vehicle on its own was provided at a lesser price, great you still have a pretty decent kit, but the figures make this kit look ancient compared to i assume all the other kits you have suggested. Obviously i am curious as to what you would buy if presented with both these kits at a similar price and what your selection would be and if you went for the Tamiya would you use the figures, or would they be surplus to requirements? i find this sort of kit conversation particularly interesting as one of the 1st vids i did was about a Mistercraft Spitfire and oh that was interesting, that was when i learned about reboxing, re-issues and all the other underhand stuff that some kit manufacturers do to get my hard earned cash, however i kinda think that Tamiya, as pretty much the standout trusted supplier are resting on their laurels and peddling kinda substandard kits in this particular case, if Mistercraft had got hold of this and reboxed it, would anyone defend it? anyway this is just my Humbrol opinion on two kits that i own. Thanks for taking the time to comment and for showing a bit of interest in my bizarre little channel best regards andy be seeing you.
@@TheNoviceModeller My post was just an FYI type of post in that you said at the beginning of the video you thought the Tamiya kit might be and Ausf. B but you weren't sure. I was just letting you know it was an Ausf. C. albite a less common Riveted type. The rest of the post was just trivia cr_p.
A good comparison more or less. All the Ukraine model manufacturers are expensive, while Tamiya has a huge range of models, cars, motorcycle's, dinosaur, tanks aircraft, figures, RC vehile that in tanks, an extensive range of ships, they also produce paint both in bottle an spray cars, various hobby supplies and tools. All their kits are well enginered even the kits from 60's and 70's. Their newer figures (within 5 years or so) are excellent. Yes they still produce and sell these old kits, I usually give them to beginner modeller to cut their teeth on them. So will they upgrade this or similar old kits, possible. I think it comes down to the mold condition. They just released a new machine gun figure kit and the new motorcycle w/sidecar. Also for them a never done before Panzer I. They did produce a better Panzer II kit in a couple of versions. I do buy ICM kits I do like building them, honestly I would buy both kits, an rework the Tamyia supplied figures with Hornet heads, maybe use Dragon equipment for their gear and weapons. I do love Tamiya, Academy, Dragon, and ICM. Oh my sorry for libg winded response. Next video review some of new & old Sdkfz 250 kits hitting market. I love doing anything in Recon role, the tip if spear people. I would like that comparison, Takom, Dragon and Tamiya all produce different version, especially dragon.
hello there @bobrivett7645 and thanks for watching. As a bit of a novice, only started kit building and UA-cam 7 months ago i am trying, new things occasionally, i did one of these comparison vids a month ago with 3 versions of Tamiya Panther and it seemed to go down reasonably well. So figured i'd try a few more, i have a few other possibilities for this type of vid but unfortunately the sdkfz 250 is yet to appear in my kit stash, though is on my hit list as i do like the 251's little brother. i don't have any great issue with the Tamiya 251 but i think we agree, the figures are a bit naff. I think novices like myself tend to see Tamiya and buy because "market leader?, familiarity" etc and yes the ICM's of this world are more expensive/complex, i am just trying to raise a bit of awareness of the alternates that are available and the possible down sides of some of the older kits or reboxes that are out there. I particularly notice when reviewing the view figures on my channel that Tamiya gets much more views than if i do a vid for Miniart, ICM etc, which is a bit of a shame as these kits generally seem very good. Anyhoo must dash of to work for another 12 hr night shift to fund my excessive compulsion to buy kits. best regards andy. be seeing you.
Hi Andy. You hit the nail on the head when it came to the figures. This is exactly what I was talking to you about with the Italeri Horsa and figures. I prefer my figures to have more realistic poses instead of in action poses. As for the vehicles well there is no comparison really. This is a perfect example of modern moulding techniques including slide moulding methods. Tamiya do need to wake up and realise that the Ukranian manufacturers are stealing a march on them. They were once the benchmark model kit manufacturer but now there crown has slipped. There prices are also going against them. I know that they have shipping charges to bear in mind but so do the Ukranian manufacturers. AFV club do a late war Ausf D version if you wat one of them. Tamiya will sink or swim. I have some of there old kits, King Tiger, Panzer IV et al that I bought twenty years ago. The only thing that has changed is the price. I can,t see how they can justify their prices against the current crop of manufacturers who are producing much more modern kits at cheaper prices , also you get more bang for your buck with the 'new' guys. Lets hope that Tamiya wake up and realise whats happening around them. Good video. Good luck bud.
Thanks Brian, this was an interesting vid to do and seems to be successful as far as viewing figures, i have a few other opportunities for similar ones in the future though hopefully they wont offer the same opportunities for slamming Tamiya as i am not too sure if that's what i really wanted to do. Though yes those figures are pretty poor, personally i think if the figures were removed and the vehicle was sold solo for say £16ish then it would be far better an option as quality and pose-ability do seem to problematic.
Hello there @felippejonsson6078 and thanks for watching. As a novice who hasn't actually built an ICM 1/35 all i can say is there is a noticeable increase in quality and complexity, though the instructions look 1st class. To me this means the obvious increase in price appears acceptable.
ICM want £35 odd for their kit with rubber track..But for the same money the new Takom Hanomags are the better choice..Everyone is waiting for Tamiya to update some of their old kits and in some cases like the panzer ii,they have.. Great video compering these two kits..All the best👍
Hello there @themajesticmagnificent386 and thanks for watching. Yes i realise there are superior kits to the ICM, unfortunately as a novice i will be punching above my weight when i come to build the ICM's and MiniArt's that i have, someday i will hopefully get my head round this kit building.
hello there @alexeveryman5080 and thanks for watching, i think my main issue with this kit is the figures. i will check the Zvezda out but for now, i have enough halftracks LOL.
I just recently took up modeling again after a 50 plus year hiatus and I have found that Tamiya just confuses the heck out of me with paint color mixtures! Good kits but the paint mixtures kill me!
Hello there @joeleal4138 and thanks for watching. Yes i also find the myriad of paints and the myriad of kit manufactures kind of befuddling when trying to find the correct paint to use, even worse when you open it up and it looks nothing like the lid (Tamiya) or nothing like the box art. good luck with your future builds, be seeing you.
Hello there @antonyt3446 and thanks for watching. Currently i am mainly building 1/72 aircraft, as i consider them easier and cheaper ........ hmmm there seems to me to be far more possibilities for weathering and detail in 1/35 AFV so as a novice, i am trying to learn the basics on some 1/72 aircraft before trying 1/35, i am also terrified of figures, (currently have two 1/35's on the go in the background) and then i can try my hand at some basic weathering which is the intention for the Panther that is waiting to be finished. I also like warships and have a few of them hanging around also, so i think the answer to your question is i like WW2, so all three, aircraft, AFV and warships.
@@TheNoviceModeller As you say terrified of figures those 50 year tamiya figures are a good place to start, think of them as a mule to experiment with. The reason I bought my 1st kit which might have been this kit (64yo) was because it came with figures. So crappy old expressionless figures still have some value.
Tamiya don't have the Ausf A in there catalogue , depending on the time frame you wish to model the 251 ICM's kit wins for early war choice, I'm not sure anyone else actually produces the Ausf A , I personally would not buy this particular Tamiya kit, it really is outdated and extremely simplified far better Ausf C & D kits are available from AFV Club and Dragon Models, they also have more versions of the 251, yes, they are more expensive compared to Tamiya but if your looking for detail and historical accuracy then AFV Club, Dragon and yes this ICM 251 Ausf A are the way to go, I have the ICM Ausf A 251/6 command vehicle as well as the Ausf A /1 which includes the decals for Guderian's 251 in Poland 1939 that's why I bought it.
Hello there @chelseachelseaboy and thanks for watching. the figures with the kit are pretty naff, the 251, errmmmmm is it that bad? hmmmm, personally i think if Tamiya ditched the figures, lowered the price and just sold the 251 on its own errrrrmmmmm not bad? i have a couple of AFV club and totally agree they are quite spectacular for the detail, Dragon i only have the pontoon set which TBH i bought for the 20 or so figures, but from memory they look very good. Dragon and AFV are very much way beyond my skill set at the moment, so i will struggle to justify adding many to my collection at the moment.
Very good comparison vid. I started modelling as a kid in the early 70's where the shops pretty much only had Tamiya and a few Italeri kits, so I grew up on Tamiya kits and still love them today. However, when ICM came along I was very happy indeed, even though they have some very difficult times in the Ukraine, they still manage to produce excellent kits. ICM and Masterbox figures are the best in my opinion, but Tamiya has finally learned that their figures needed serious updating, and now the modern Tamiya figures are exceptionally good, almost as good as some of the resin kits available. When I buy kits, it's mainly for the subject matter, I don't really care about the manufacturer or the age, a bit of flash here and there doesn't matter, it's all part of modelling, if something is missing detail, it's very easy to scratch build some extra details, I don't understand those that complain about a bit of extra work. Continue modelling until those fingers no longer work and eyes no longer see !
Hello there @subliminalstyrene811 and thanks for watching. Thanks i have tried this kind of vid before with Tamiya's Panther range though first time i have put different manufacturers in the vid. As a novice i still appreciate the ease of the Tamiya kits but in my opinion this Tamiya is seriously hindered by the figures, the vehicle still looks pretty good. Same as you i have a rather large 1/72 aircraft project that i intend to start shortly which is very much a thematic project utilising modern, vintage and scarce kits from a variety of manufacturers.
@TheNoviceModeller
I would to see some of those 1/72 scale subjects, its my favorite scale for aircraft.
hello again @bobrivett7645 this a link to my playlist for "haul unboxings", about 20 of them, basically i unpack what i have purchased, quite a lot of kits and many thousands of pounds worth for future UA-cam Vids, my mountain of Small European air force kits for my soon to come series's of thematic reviews and build series's are all mixed in here. The european aircraft obsession is in the more recent ones so start at the bottom, 4 more of these are pre recorded awaiting release over the next few week.
://studio.ua-cam.com/users/playlistPLq7NxxVyTV6BA6YmZ164tnVXg6FKr83Cd/videos
@@TheNoviceModeller I love watching Model kit unboxing vids and especially Stash vids, so believe me when I say I have already watched most of your unboxing haul vids and am currently binge watching through your whole vid collection, not that many left to watch really. C'mon ! get your finger out and get some more vids done soon ;)
@@bobrivett7645 For fighters and modern jets I prefer 1:48 scale, more detail, but the big Bombers like Lancasters I get 1:72 simply because of the size. But yeah ! I have a big 1:72 scale Bomber I wish to put into a Diorama with the Airfix Bomber refuelling set on the airfield. Looking forward to building that !
Horses for courses. Over 40 years difference between release dates demonstrating the strides made in kit design. Incidentally, Tamiya have updated their version-Ausf D, actually, to include new combat figures. The number for that kit is 35195. ICM kits are challenging to build, but that just reflects the level of detail and is offset the possibility of creating servicing dioramas in addition to combat scenes. You can get airbrush masking stencils for the tactical markings-Rado Miniatures and Alliance Model Works, among others make them.
Morning Jeremy, Yes i think its an interesting subject and yes have seen the updated 1990 - 1995 versions which i am sure are better, but are now 29 - 34 years old. I agree, it is horses for courses and the internet changes everything, however my local model shop sells Tamiya 1/35 including this 251/1 and the that's about it. I actually have a bunch of Mistercraft 1/72's to do a film on in a few weeks, last time i featured a Mistercraft in February i was hit with a wave of negativity, old kits, reboxes, re-issues, dressing up old kits from different manufacturers as their own, etc, etc and fair enough what they do is naughty and i learned a whole load of things about kit manufacturers and Scalemates from that vid, i ended up building the Mistercraft 50/50 with a Smer (incidentally there was no outrage about Smer reboxing the original Heller though).i think the thing that bothers me a bit about all this is that Tamiya who are pretty much the BIG NAME brand are still putting 50 year old kits on the shelves and its OK, they are the BIG BOYS and they don't even have to try and hide what they are doing, however if that kit was disguised minus the figures which are what to me lets this kit down the most, in a Mistercraft box, i do wonder what the response would be. Anyway i suppose the horses for courses question is which one would you buy?
Tamiya hands down for me, Although I'm the age when Tamiya were No1, I tend to buy the Tamiya vintage kits to store and enjoy just looking at the boxes, I know its sad but I like the whole thing box included, Although I have a Esci 1.9 scale beemer and sidecar boxed present from my wife many yrs ago!
Hello there @tonyrobinson362 and thanks for watching. the next four vids going up are from my Tamiya/Airfix OOP (out of production) 1/35 collection and i ponder why these are not part of the current line up, especially WHATS IN THE BOX. TAMIYA 1/35, 35220; GERMAN KUBELWAGEN MAINTENANCE SET. KIT REVIEW NO. 132 which is a great little kit. As for looking at boxes in 7 months i have amassed 400, and gazing at boxes, thinking of all the challenges and fun that lie ahead is very much part of my interpretation of this hobby also.
Tamiya *did* make an updated skdfz 251, the sdkfz 251/1D, kit 35195 from 1995. It's much more detailed and accurate than the early "Hanomag".
The "Hanomag" is a pet peeve of mine. It has a completely inaccurate interior, although the driving positions aren't bad. I suspect that there are two possible reasons for this:
1) Tamiya based their research on the 251/1C at Bovington Tank Museum. The museum example is actually a 251/8C captured in North Africa but they mislabeled it as a 251/1. You can tell because of the presence of the water barrel between the front seats which was only found on the 251/8. In addition, the interior of the 251/8 was stripped to make room for stretchers so no seats or storage compartments were visible for Tamiya to view. They had to make up seats by guessing.
2) The Tamiya kit was originally meant to be motorized. As such, the model was widened a couple of mm to make room for batteries and gear box. Presumably the interior would be covered by a tarp. Thus a detailed interior was not needed and was added as an afterthought.
Hello there @billsoo306 and thanks for watching. Thanks for the additional info, very interesting. A visit to Bovington is on my to do list. As a novice of about 7 months kit building, mostly 1/72 aircraft i find the re-boxing or utilisation of very old tools to produce kits to be both fascinating and infuriating, especially when the price between a "new" kit" is so similar to that of an "old" kit, your point about the updated Tamiya offering is a case in point, as the superior modern kit retails for pretty much the same money as the older variant. i discovered all this early on and kind of like comparing kits to see the basic differences, ( i have done a couple of these "kit comparison" vids). i have a few interesting projects lined up shortly, i will be starting what i call my BIG PLAN in a week or so and am also travelling on Wednesday to meet up with another modeller with a rather extensive kit collection. hope to see you again in the comments section of my bizarre little modelling channel.
best regards andy
be seeing you.
Tamiya started producing these 1/35 kits when I was a kid in the late 60s-70s , and at that time were one of the few , if not the only maker coming out with these WW2 vehicle kits including figures (Italeri , ESCI , Heller and Airfix were also in the market at the time). I still recall the thrill of seeing the box art on these kits displayed at my old town hobby shop which doesn't exist any more .The fact that they are still producing these kits today speaks volumes about their 'value' ... sure there are newer manufacturers , and I like ICM and some others for better detail maybe , especially when it comes to figures (I think Master Box , Dragon , even newer Tamiya are exceptional) but I will take an older easier to build , perhaps less rivet-counter accurate Tamiya over a more complicated Dragon or other manufacturer that are more frustrating and time consuming to build ... in the end this hobby is about FUN ... if you want an more exact model replica of a vehicle , aircraft , ship or vehicle have at it ...
Hello there @johnjozifek7910 and thanks for watching. I totally agree with most of what you have said and as a novice with a mountain of kits both modern and vintage, i like to think i appreciate them all for there differences and variety. As a general rule i am pretty positive about most of the kits i review, this format of video is kind of new for me , i have compared the KIT COMPARISON; TAMIYA'S PANTHERS; 35065 £15, 35170 £25, 35345 £35. WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES? previously ua-cam.com/video/pCJ1-YPLFFY/v-deo.html and from a viewing figures point of view it was far more successful than the combined singular review vids for the standalone kits, this vid appears to be going the same way, unfortunately producing UA-cam vids is a bit of a numbers game; and this kind of vid for me is experimental. On the whole i think the vehicle still stands up well for its age though it is the figures that let it down in the modern world. The part i agree wwith most in your comment is when you mention FUN, i am 100% behind your statement here, a believe FUN is the most important part of any hobby.
Best regards andy
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The Tamiya kit is their first version of the Sd.Kfz. 251 that they released (over 50 yrs ago) and it is the less common version of the Ausf. C with a riveted hull vice the more common welded hull. When manufacturing of the 251 Ausf. C commenced, there were several manufacturers building it but one of them (forget which one), at least initially and for some time, did not have the facilities to weld the hulls together so they riveted them. The Ausf. A, B, and D were all welded. Tamiya later came out with an Ausf. D version which was much more refined and detailed but it too is now over 30 years old. Dragon has a whole slew of Sd.Kfz. 251 kits in two different marks (C and D) and several variants. Zvezda has both an A and B version in several variants and now Academy I believe has a new tooled Sd,Kfz. 251 Ausf. C kit. While the Tamiya kit is old, less detailed, and dimensionally challenged, it goes together well and still looks the part when completed.
Hello there @albapfalzd3102 and thanks for watching. You obviously know your stuff, i am a novice trying to learn stuff, so thanks for your extra insight. I think generally i agree with a lot of what your saying and yes i think i remarked that the vehicle itself is not too bad for a 50 yr old kit and i am sure that in a skilled set of hands, when complete with a load of stowage you would probably be hard pressed to tell the difference; and yes i was aware of the newer variants by Tamiya, i don't have them, they are newer yet still old, so doesn't really seem relevant for me to mention them and the others kits made by other manufacturers; as i am comparing these two, which currently i have discovered, are available for similar prices. Though like i said in the vid, the elephant in the room is the figures and you haven't voiced an opinion on the figures. Personally in my opinion the figure set is what lets this kit down, if it was dropped and the vehicle on its own was provided at a lesser price, great you still have a pretty decent kit, but the figures make this kit look ancient compared to i assume all the other kits you have suggested. Obviously i am curious as to what you would buy if presented with both these kits at a similar price and what your selection would be and if you went for the Tamiya would you use the figures, or would they be surplus to requirements? i find this sort of kit conversation particularly interesting as one of the 1st vids i did was about a Mistercraft Spitfire and oh that was interesting, that was when i learned about reboxing, re-issues and all the other underhand stuff that some kit manufacturers do to get my hard earned cash, however i kinda think that Tamiya, as pretty much the standout trusted supplier are resting on their laurels and peddling kinda substandard kits in this particular case, if Mistercraft had got hold of this and reboxed it, would anyone defend it? anyway this is just my Humbrol opinion on two kits that i own.
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@@TheNoviceModeller My post was just an FYI type of post in that you said at the beginning of the video you thought the Tamiya kit might be and Ausf. B but you weren't sure. I was just letting you know it was an Ausf. C. albite a less common Riveted type. The rest of the post was just trivia cr_p.
Might have to get these now, ICM for the quality of modern kits and the Tamiya for the nostalgia....🤨🤔😉😎
Hello again @Duececoupe get that wallet open LOL.
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Yes Sir! 😉😆😂
A good comparison more or less. All the Ukraine model manufacturers are expensive, while Tamiya has a huge range of models, cars, motorcycle's, dinosaur, tanks aircraft, figures, RC vehile that in tanks, an extensive range of ships, they also produce paint both in bottle an spray cars, various hobby supplies and tools. All their kits are well enginered even the kits from 60's and 70's. Their newer figures (within 5 years or so) are excellent. Yes they still produce and sell these old kits, I usually give them to beginner modeller to cut their teeth on them. So will they upgrade this or similar old kits, possible. I think it comes down to the mold condition. They just released a new machine gun figure kit and the new motorcycle w/sidecar. Also for them a never done before Panzer I. They did produce a better Panzer II kit in a couple of versions.
I do buy ICM kits I do like building them, honestly I would buy both kits, an rework the Tamyia supplied figures with Hornet heads, maybe use Dragon equipment for their gear and weapons. I do love Tamiya, Academy, Dragon, and ICM.
Oh my sorry for libg winded response.
Next video review some of new & old Sdkfz 250 kits hitting market. I love doing anything in Recon role, the tip if spear people. I would like that comparison, Takom, Dragon and Tamiya all produce different version, especially dragon.
hello there @bobrivett7645 and thanks for watching. As a bit of a novice, only started kit building and UA-cam 7 months ago i am trying, new things occasionally, i did one of these comparison vids a month ago with 3 versions of Tamiya Panther and it seemed to go down reasonably well. So figured i'd try a few more, i have a few other possibilities for this type of vid but unfortunately the sdkfz 250 is yet to appear in my kit stash, though is on my hit list as i do like the 251's little brother. i don't have any great issue with the Tamiya 251 but i think we agree, the figures are a bit naff. I think novices like myself tend to see Tamiya and buy because "market leader?, familiarity" etc and yes the ICM's of this world are more expensive/complex, i am just trying to raise a bit of awareness of the alternates that are available and the possible down sides of some of the older kits or reboxes that are out there. I particularly notice when reviewing the view figures on my channel that Tamiya gets much more views than if i do a vid for Miniart, ICM etc, which is a bit of a shame as these kits generally seem very good. Anyhoo must dash of to work for another 12 hr night shift to fund my excessive compulsion to buy kits.
best regards andy.
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Hi Andy. You hit the nail on the head when it came to the figures. This is exactly what I was talking to you about with the Italeri Horsa and figures. I prefer my figures to have more realistic poses instead of in action poses. As for the vehicles well there is no comparison really. This is a perfect example of modern moulding techniques including slide moulding methods. Tamiya do need to wake up and realise that the Ukranian manufacturers are stealing a march on them. They were once the benchmark model kit manufacturer but now there crown has slipped. There prices are also going against them. I know that they have shipping charges to bear in mind but so do the Ukranian manufacturers. AFV club do a late war Ausf D version if you wat one of them. Tamiya will sink or swim. I have some of there old kits, King Tiger, Panzer IV et al that I bought twenty years ago. The only thing that has changed is the price. I can,t see how they can justify their prices against the current crop of manufacturers who are producing much more modern kits at cheaper prices , also you get more bang for your buck with the 'new' guys. Lets hope that Tamiya wake up and realise whats happening around them. Good video. Good luck bud.
Thanks Brian, this was an interesting vid to do and seems to be successful as far as viewing figures, i have a few other opportunities for similar ones in the future though hopefully they wont offer the same opportunities for slamming Tamiya as i am not too sure if that's what i really wanted to do. Though yes those figures are pretty poor, personally i think if the figures were removed and the vehicle was sold solo for say £16ish then it would be far better an option as quality and pose-ability do seem to problematic.
GOOD REVIEW ON THESE TWO KITS ANDY,THOSE BUMBS AS YOU CALL IT ARE ROLLERS TO QUICKY GET CARGO OFFLOADED.FRAME 6:51. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND AND TAKE CARE
Cheers @ewmhop i found the whole subtopic of old kit vs new kit kind of interesting
IT'S ONE WAY TO GET NEW MODELERS INTO THE HOBBY.@@TheNoviceModeller
Cool review. 👍
Thanks for watching @goforitpainting
Thanks for the review, Been building tamiya afvs for abit over a year but its time to try some other brands.ICM seems like a good brand.
Hello there @felippejonsson6078 and thanks for watching. As a novice who hasn't actually built an ICM 1/35 all i can say is there is a noticeable increase in quality and complexity, though the instructions look 1st class. To me this means the obvious increase in price appears acceptable.
ICM want £35 odd for their kit with rubber track..But for the same money the new Takom Hanomags are the better choice..Everyone is waiting for Tamiya to update some of their old kits and in some cases like the panzer ii,they have..
Great video compering these two kits..All the best👍
Hello there @themajesticmagnificent386 and thanks for watching. Yes i realise there are superior kits to the ICM, unfortunately as a novice i will be punching above my weight when i come to build the ICM's and MiniArt's that i have, someday i will hopefully get my head round this kit building.
Of course you can always buy a set of ICM or Dragon figures to go with the Tamaya Hanomag.
hello there @carlclink9993 and thanks for watching. true or Tamiya replace the figure set or remove it completely and drop the Hanomag price?
Zvezda also has decent one with open panels but no figurines.
hello there @alexeveryman5080 and thanks for watching, i think my main issue with this kit is the figures. i will check the Zvezda out but for now, i have enough halftracks LOL.
I just recently took up modeling again after a 50 plus year hiatus and I have found that Tamiya just confuses the heck out of me with paint color mixtures! Good kits but the paint mixtures kill me!
Hello there @joeleal4138 and thanks for watching. Yes i also find the myriad of paints and the myriad of kit manufactures kind of befuddling when trying to find the correct paint to use, even worse when you open it up and it looks nothing like the lid (Tamiya) or nothing like the box art. good luck with your future builds, be seeing you.
Hi Andy. Do you prefer making AFV or plane kits?
Hello there @antonyt3446 and thanks for watching. Currently i am mainly building 1/72 aircraft, as i consider them easier and cheaper ........ hmmm there seems to me to be far more possibilities for weathering and detail in 1/35 AFV so as a novice, i am trying to learn the basics on some 1/72 aircraft before trying 1/35, i am also terrified of figures, (currently have two 1/35's on the go in the background) and then i can try my hand at some basic weathering which is the intention for the Panther that is waiting to be finished. I also like warships and have a few of them hanging around also, so i think the answer to your question is i like WW2, so all three, aircraft, AFV and warships.
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As you say terrified of figures those 50 year tamiya figures are a good place to start, think of them as a mule to experiment with. The reason I bought my 1st kit which might have been this kit (64yo) was because it came with figures. So crappy old expressionless figures still have some value.
Tamiya don't have the Ausf A in there catalogue , depending on the time frame you wish to model the 251 ICM's kit wins for early war choice, I'm not sure anyone else actually produces the Ausf A , I personally would not buy this particular Tamiya kit, it really is outdated and extremely simplified far better Ausf C & D kits are available from AFV Club and Dragon Models, they also have more versions of the 251, yes, they are more expensive compared to Tamiya but if your looking for detail and historical accuracy then AFV Club, Dragon and yes this ICM 251 Ausf A are the way to go, I have the ICM Ausf A 251/6 command vehicle as well as the Ausf A /1 which includes the decals for Guderian's 251 in Poland 1939 that's why I bought it.
Hello there @chelseachelseaboy and thanks for watching. the figures with the kit are pretty naff, the 251, errmmmmm is it that bad? hmmmm, personally i think if Tamiya ditched the figures, lowered the price and just sold the 251 on its own errrrrmmmmm not bad? i have a couple of AFV club and totally agree they are quite spectacular for the detail, Dragon i only have the pontoon set which TBH i bought for the 20 or so figures, but from memory they look very good. Dragon and AFV are very much way beyond my skill set at the moment, so i will struggle to justify adding many to my collection at the moment.
ICM 251 on sale will go back up again ,Tamiya always cheap . So Tamiya good value but icm better quality.
tamiya should dittch the figures, lower the price and just sell the halftrack, in my opinion.