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Well now that you've reviewed a game that you don't like very much... Might I recommend a game I think you will? GTFO? It's an extremely hardcore four person horror shooter? I think that's how you would describe it. Think Aliens fireteam elite, but instead of just action it perfectly blends real "Aliens" type horror with action and combat. Also on top of that, it is EXTREMELY cerebral, in fact, I don't think I've thought so much about the strategic planning and gameplay since doom eternal, and that game was close to the pinnacle of challenge based gameplay. The teamwork aspects also feel so important, this game has this absolutely wonderful system of tools that are used together in unison to deal with the horrifying threats that are coming at you. C foam which kinda works like the GLOO gun in Prey, which can be combined with the mine deployer for amazing effects, or the bio tracker, which can help the one person who has it communicate with other players to deal with the more dangerous threats, the weapons are incredibly interesting and sound and act just like you'd expect some awesome sci fi gun to behave. One of them really reminds me of the smart gun from aliens. The monsters in this game are also iconic! I don't want to spoil you on any of them but the quality of the designs remind me of the creatures from sputnik and alien. Please check this out it's really the perfect game for someone who wants a game to push them into the fun zone and hold them accountable. If this interests you at a, here's a trailer that doesn't spoil anything, while giving you an hint of what it's about.
Also I should have mentioned this because I know you love duskers. This game has a really really interesting element that reminds me of the "coding" aspects used to control your drones. In GTFO hidden throughout the vast industrial complex, there are "terminals". Terminals are, well just what they sound like, they act quite similarly to a terminal app on your computer. Every once in a while during a level, you will need to access one of these terminals and type in commands in order to complete your mission. Commands like "query" "list" "logs" "deactivate" "open" "read" "input" "ping" all kinds of really interesting faux programming aspects that really help break up the pacing without using silly "match the strawberry type mini games". And sometimes you even have to use the terminal in combat, there are certain objectives that require you to establish a terminal uplink to your command center, where you will have to quickly type in codes and and send security verifications to your buddy in the second terminal while your last two teammates defend you from a horde of enemies. Imagine typing in strings of code like "uplink_verify terminal_714 code: X07" quickly before jumping out of the terminal to help your buddies fight a horde of horrifying monsters with 8 feet long tongues covered in teeth, before jumping back into the next code. It's such a great rush!
Neglecting night time in DL is kinda like neglecting Secret Encounters and Slayer Gates in Doom Eternal. You can totally do this if you're not hooked that much on game mechanics. But you are missing out some great gameplay.
I think the main reason a lot of people (including myself) loved Dying Light, was because it was a much more interesting version of the Dead Island games. The parkour gameplay and the night and day system added a lot to the experience. I agree with your points about side quests and crafting. These aspects if not done well can significantly harm the pacing of the overall experience. Great video, Mayo!
imo the dead island games had alot more personality over dying light,the world was much more beautiful to look at,explore,it was like a world full of life but everyone was dead,i don't know how to describe it,the world was much more interesting to be in even when doing nothing.The combat was super fun. I loved those games and it's sad the sequel is probably never coming :(
@@Yuuki_Asuna I agree! getting to explore a zombie infested holiday resort was really cool. It was also one of the first games where I played through the WHOLE thing with a group of friends in co-op. And yeah it's a shame about Dead Island 2, all we got was a cool trailer.
@@scottdixon4366 I have been looking and the project is not cancelled and it seems like it would release someday,waiting for me is not a problem as long as they release a good game eventually so i'm hopeful. And the coop thing is very true, I played the whole thing with my best friend and is the only game for me that I considered to play with a friend,and when i was on my own in the game it was alot of fun too,just so much fun. sorry my english is trash haha,not my lenguage
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 Parkour is amazing, i honestly can't understand how that would be bad, and the story is bland, it's nothing special yes, but not really an issue, and finally the open world is the best part, i don't understand what buildings you're refering to as the game has limited open rooms to explore and most of them are empty store, it's a post apocalyps world, what's there to find? also there are two different maps that look nothing alike, that's not counting the DLC expansion
Since there's no "I tell you to play" section I'm going to take this tiny space...to tell you to play "Katana Zero", since I have the feeling I got a bit about your taste it could be an interesting experience for you
“People told me to play…” - usually a disaster or wishing to see someone suffer “People told me not to play…” Sometimes a hidden gem, or a entertaining thing you have fun with ether out of fun or out of mocking it
"It's not my job to make your game fun" been saying that for years. I'm already seeing people praise the removal of penalties for dying in the sequel, I saw one dude comment that he was happy that bosses don't regain any health after the player dies. You don't need to play creatively, using valuable resources and crafting items, when you can just bang your head against the wall until it eventually crumbles. You may call that playing in a boring way, I call it shit game design. All that said. I like the first game. It is and always was a 6/10 at best, but it's one of those 6/10 games I was always happy to return to. The movement is great, especially later in the game, and while the combat is never even remotely deep, you can still dropkick dudes off buildings and that pretty much never gets old.
Thats true. I can get behind that a life-system isnt needed in games . I can understand the people want better placed checkpoints or even Quick saves (which should be put instead of checkpoints but thats my two cents) . But what i dont get is the unnecessary streamlining and horrible watered-down gameplay that its almost not worth to play . When people are praising that dying in a game have no penalities and you can just brainlessly beserk through the game then the game is pretty pointless to play . What are the stakes in the game then ? Why playing good when playing badly solves everything too ? Whats the point to playthrough the game when even the story sucks (Many reviewers said that the story to Dying light 2 was mediocre at best)? What i get from people who praise such things is that they just wanna consume and not PLAY games. Its like a football player doesnt wanna improve himself because being good and learning the rules means to put effort to it but plays football because he just wanna be in a team . Catering to fragile egos was never a good idea and will never resulting in good stuff . But thats what gaming is going into.
I hate xp penalties for dying because half my deaths seem like bullshit and I shouldn't be punished for them. As for the boss health regen that's lame.
Dying Light is one of those games that really makes you work towards being a badass. Once you max out all your stats it’s almost like playing a completely different game. Starting out the game SUCKS because you are so weak and slow. And I think that’s intentional. It’s definitely a game that will make you love it or hate it within the first couple hours. I was hooked, my friend was not. Some of the most fun I had was just fucking around in co-op, honestly.
He played it for more than a couple hours, and Mayo puts in more effort than the average person picking up a game. Seems to me like another one of those games that expects the player to use their imagination to see it's potential, f that. It should make you "work towards being a badass" by enforcing skill and effort requirements, not expect you to enforce a better way of experiencing the game. Boo!
It's one of those games that is not for everyone that's for sure but I kinda agree that progression ca be so slow , that you need serveal hours of grind to even get to the really interesting things and become really good and fun .Sadly this is an issue more or less with those type of games , with are clearly not for Mayo .
@@Ethan265Stapley well if you're talking about skill and effort then you clearly haven't played the game to see that Mayo did not play in the most "optimal" way. Granted, this is mostly because he didn't have any prior knowledge of how the combat truly works or how the progression system is laid out. I must agree, this game is not newbie friendly, but that being said the power curve of the game is insanely steep, so much so that you can go from struggling to kill one zombie to slashing 5 of them in one swing. Hell, the game never tells you that hitting a zombie in the knee causes it to break, forcing the zombie to limp. That's a very obscure but quite useful technique early on. Your survivor level dictates how strong the zombies in the world are, and seeing as Mayo pretty much rushed it his weapons were severely underpowered. The weapons you find or the ones that are offered in shop also scale based on survivor level, so the problem is he never even tried to get a better weapon by looting like 3 or 4 crates. Grinding can also be tedious if you don't know the optimal methods (again, not newbie friendly). I personally fail to see how the combat is clunky, it's very responsive and your hits actually have weight behind them. Oh and also, even if this wasn't a review, the simple fact that he never mentioned the drop kick simply invalidates everything. You cannot speak about Dying Light without mentioning the drop kick. He might enjoy DL2 more though.
I’ve played this game since it came out back in 2015 and I have over 5,000 hours on ps4. But to be honest this is a really good video, I love the game but I can absolutely see where you’re coming from, and you make some good objective points. Especially like, if the damage of weapons and the health of zombies is so inconsistent, why is there no health bar? Among other things. That’s why it shocked me to see so many people complain about health bars in DL 2. I love the world, it feels really good to be in for me, but I see why someone wouldn’t like its sameyness, Overall I really like the honesty of the vid tho.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Not everyone play games for completion, I play Dying Light and Doom Eternal for pleasure and immersion, not to get a 100% number on top of my save file, I don't give a shit about that or trophies.
The "Playing it in a boring way" Has some negatives and positives. On one hand, I don't like that opinion because I feel like people miss the point most of the time. Like for the people who don't like (old) Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell, or Metal Gear Solid. Namely assassin's creed in my experience. They don't like that the combat system is shallow, and that you spend most of the time hiding and jumping around on roof tops. You can't just run in, kill a guy and fight the city. Well, that's not the point. The point is to sneak, kill your target, run off. If you can't make your escape you're punished with combat. There is alot of people who say they like stealth, but can't play stealth games. Its not the games' fault you won't play the game by its rules and you get punished for it. On the other hand, If you are playing the game by its rules, and it simply isn't fun, then yes. The game failed at its job. If all you are doing is running back and forth hitting buttons then running back, then yeah. Its boring. I couldn't get into mirror's edge catalyst because the open world doesn't fit with the linear parkour movement style of the original.
Yes, exactly. Sometimes people just miss the point and play it in a boring way. Usually how a game is designed leads most players to fall into the "correct" playstyle. Some players just don't get it when they first pick it up. Sure you're under no obligation to MAKE a game fun if you don't immediately enjoy it, but from another point of view, someone else would just say that you are incapable of having fun unless it is spoon-fed to you. That learning how you can adapt and learn to find the best way to enjoy things, is an overall much more enjoyable experience.
The real reason he was struggling with the weapons is because he didn't really try to get better ones, which the game encourages by throwing a LOT of rare crates for you to open on your path from mission to mission. Damage of weapons you find and zombie HP also scale based on survivor level, so if you find a weapon at level 3 and you don't use anything else until level 9, then the zombies will be too tough for you to take out with a puny wrench. The game's progression is easier when you do the minimal amount of scavenging. Other than that, the missions are bland fetch quests most of the time, I just like how goofy the side quests are. The following though, it's pretty fun. Missions are still fetch quests, but at least you're following a clear mysterious narrative, not some stupid story you don't care about. And there's a car. A whole car. Also I agree about mirror's edge catalyst, but I found that I really didn't have anything to do or anywhere to go in that game. Maybe that's why fetch quests are so common in this kind of games.
I think that a game which allows you to play '' in a boring way '' or in a fun way is already something good. Because it let the choice to the players to take risks or not IF they like the game and wish to challenge themselves a little more. It's like playing Crysis in easy mode and stopping every few seconds to wait for the energy to come back so you ca be invisible all the way ... You CAN do it, but you can dig further into it and have mad fun
Thank you someone who actually looks into the nuance of the issue he likes to pick at and how he misses the point sometimes. I like him and can agree with him most of the time but I feel like he kinda just slaps it on games sometimes missing stuff that is encouraged just not in the face and the difference between what makes a game failing it’s job or not.
"It's not my job to make your game fun" is probably the best rebuttal to the typical "Duh, obviously you're playing the game wrong"-comment ive ever heard .
That argument could also be made for the Marauder in Doom Eternal. And the "You're playing it wrong" is essentially a part of Mayo's arguments in defense of the Marauders. There is an objectively wrong way to play certain video games. Just saying.
@@rizkiagustian7640 Mayo is just not into open world survival games with crafting its a taste thing. Mayo never said Dying Light was a bad game or he didn't understand the games mechanics on basic level. The Marauder thing is different. Rewatch his video Mayo blatantly said if you find the Marauder boring mechanically that is fine but his video was about the people shitting on the Marauder with Skillup famously saying it was objectively poorly designed during the early games launch while also not even understanding the enemies most basic movement patterns, mechanics and weaknesses. Their own gameplay footage also showed objectively awful play against the Marauder and their options of the enemy reeked of boiling frustration. They also refused to use basic brain power and creativity in a game with ridiculously large expanded arsenal and tools to get around an enemy with a shield(use explosives behind shield or easiest noob tier combo SSG/BFG which kills marauders in 2 seconds = requires 150 iq to figure out???? ). You can't go around complain an enemy or miniboss is unfair and too hard by refusing to learn it on most basic level while they did it for other enemies in the same game. People rightfully mocked them for it on the comment sections.
Dying light is one of my favorite games and I might have spent one too many hours playing it (like about 100) and I am not here to say that you are wrong because the reality is... you arent. The game has a lot of flaws. Checkpoints, zombies health progressing into stupid amounts to amount for the players progress, most zombies or encouters of them being generaly easy after a ceartain point or being easily avoidable, the story being meh, the Slums being boring. I could go on for hours stating all of this games shortcomings. But here is the thing. It was unique and made by a passionate studio that kept supporting it for years and still does so. While it may not be the best game, it is probably one of the best open world, zombie, sandbox, fps games (thats a mouthful). So yeah. Good on you for trying out Dying Light, I know its not for everyone and seeing that you gave it a fair review makes me respect you more than I already do. Never stop being honest man. Peace out.
This.... This is exactly how disagreements are supposed to be. Well said glimmer and good on you for elaborating and explaining that you love it and why others can't. The world is so crazy today if you say you don't like something. 💪
@@Sharktankgaming thanks man. I really apreaciate this. One small thing tho. Why does everybody write "Glimmer"? Like its clearly Gimmer yet every time someone puts an L for no apparent reason. I am not annoyed or something (its actually kind of funny) but I wanna know why, if you can tell me so.
@@gimmer6014 no shit. I didn't even realise. I thought your name was glimmer 🤷🤣🤣🤣 my bad dude. It's possibly one of those word/brain associations people make without even realising lol
You should try crosscode if you are looking for a good gameplay experience. The story is good in my opinion but can has some viable criticism against it. However, the main reason I picked it was for the fast, flashy combat with a surprising amount of depth and really fun enemies to fight. The puzzles and dungeons, while long and difficult, felt rewarding to complete and have legitimately good puzzles. It would also be nice for you to review a game that is a bit different to your normal style of game to review.
The reason melee combat is so "clunky" at first is to get you used to using traps/grapples/environmentals. You'll get better weapons that can kill several zombies in a single swing later on, and you can pull off some crazy stuff after you unlock all movement tech. As much as I dislike progression systems in FPS games, I have to speak in favor of this one because if you had everything unlocked from the start it would absolutely break the early game.
I feel one of the fun aspect of dying light is progression, you collect stuff, level up, learning a bunch of skills. The progression may not mean much or add something to the core gameplay, but pregression itself is rewarding and relaxing for some players. I could spend handreds of hours playing monster hunter or noob, just to grind level and some good piece of gear, because I enjoy watching my character getting stronger. Mayo is clearly not that type of players.
Jip, thats it i guess. Its kinda guilty pleasure game just to enjoy getting better and stronger with every hour, slaying down all enemies. Thats why people love or hate it.
@@tonic4120 yeah that's where something like monster hunter or other games of that like differs from dying Iight. The games are usually fun from the start
I have to say, after playing Dying Light 2 and getting to the center, im never going back to the first game. Yes, we lost guns, but we got a wallrun ability, monkey bars, bigger hitbox dropkicks, durability systems that made you actually try to use parries to conserve said durability, the fucking paraglider, and tons and tons of more things you can do and see in the game. The only problems i have are how the random npc conversations sound completely inhuman, how incredibly weak ranged weapons are, and also the fact that theres still no FOV slider. You can turn off motion blur though, so im still pretty happy
"Its not my job to make your game fun" is how I felt playing GOW 2018. It doesn't matter what hidden tricks or advanced combat mechanics etc the game has when I was able to get through the majority of the game on hard mode just by button mashing R1 and R2 in random combinations, and using the same runic attacks without experimenting much. It reminds me of your video on how good games push you into their systems, one of my favourites from you so far.
And it's not that the originals are super well balanced. But at least the give you a bunch of attacks to experiment with from the beginning instead of just hack and dodge for hours. Plus the xp system with combos.
The hades spell in God of war1 and the atlas spell in God of war 2 are so op that when I watch playthroughs of the games they defeat the final bosses of each game by spamming them .
I disagree with the fact that it's on the game to make you play it an interesting way. You can play DOOM in a boring way. Did you watch the journalist play Doom Eternal pre-release? Lowest difficulty, not using any of the fun mechanics, just doing the bare minimum. Fighting zombies was the most fun I had in Dying Light because the gore system and the weapon impacts were so satisfying. In Doom Eternal, you don't ever need to use the hook from the double barrel shotgun, but you still end up using it.. Why? Same argument goes for Titanfall 2's wallrun. I played through the game normally, then I saw a review saying what you said - the game doesn't incentivize you to wallrun and no point doing so. Really? I used it a lot, and there are sections when they are a must too. I don't really understand some of your criticisms.
I think it boils down to whether you like the appearance of the game. Personally I might have loved open world games if they looked more like The Elden Ring but they usually look like a family photo, so if I play them the intended way I feel something is missing, and if I try to fill what's missing then I'm playing the wrong game. Thumper is a game where I wouldn't have enjoyed the gameplay one bit, except it looks so awesome that I played it in the intended way
I don't need you to constantly make comparisons to Doom Eternal in order for me to understand your points. And when your points are bad, it just makes them worse. And yes, it IS on the game to at least make an effort to make the fun way equal success. Challenge matters.
@ZeroTacTIX You can play Doom Eternal in a boring way, you cannot continually succeed in Doom Eternal (especially in the later levels) playing boring. Subtle difference, but it matters. if you choose normal difficulty the game will kill you if you don't engage with the systems. Why use the meathook? Because the game gives you obvious big picture benefits to doing so, not just because it's fun but because it's effective to use it. Same goes for all the systems in Eternal, the game is difficult so that you're incentivized to play in an enjoyable way. Most players will end up playing on normal, and when you compare Doom Eternal hurt me plenty to Dying Light normal your argument falls apart completely. Mayo played on normal difficulty, he experimented with a bunch of different systems, and he discovered that there's no reason to play well in Dying Light because punishments are minimal and rewards are meaningless because all combat can be avoided. Imagine if you could walk past all the encounters in Doom Eternal, all combat encounters are completely optional now. The game would be worse because it's not pushing you into the fun systems they made. Would you blame the players for not fighting the demons if the game was designed like that, or would you blame the designers for not pushing you into the combat? It's totally fine if you enjoyed the game regardless, but this point is not a good hill to die on. Watch Mayo's Challenge Matters video for a more in-depth summary of what I'm already saying.
@@underthemayo I don't see a legit argument from you this time around Mayo. I'm simply using Doom as an example since you know Doom the best. Doom Eternal's shotgun hook is completely optional, but you use it all the same, and it IS possible to play Doom Eternal in a boring way without using most of the mechanics you use. As for the game using some effort, how is it NOT? The zombie killing has never been so satisfactory in any other game, the gore system, and the impact is amazing. And you don't get to run away from zombies in many occasions and many missions. Also, running away from zombies is *also* fun because they have an amazing parkour system in place? Running away is the more ideal solution since the game is trying to be immersive and doesn't want you to go all Zombie-slayer.. It wants you to be a survivor! You get more ammo for your guns near the end, and there is a lot more killing you have to do. If you think the game would never amp up, then I don't know what to tell you.. Just a heads up - Dying Light starts off like a survivor's game, and ends with more action. As for the challenge matters statement, erm.... DL on Normal is harder than Doom 2016 on Ultra Violence, and definitely harder than D.E on Hurt Me Plenty. Perhaps, you should've played DL on Hard?
Dying light is the only game thats held my attention long enough for me to actually go in and 100% it. I think the only reason for that is just because I actually have a lot of fun travelling in the game. some of the story missions were really fun but ya the side missions were only engaging for me for how absurd some of the side characters were
@@sotiris168 Idk I never really looked for collectibles but the only thing to do in my save file is the daily bounty stuff and it shows 100% for me so maybe I just got them all by accident or they aren't counted to the 100%
Pretty much gameplay makes up for story. I can just hop on and start dropkicking zombies, running around the map with NH boosters, driving for hours in the countryside and not get bored, especially with the insane amount of items they've added in the past years.
Last time I fell for somebody's "It gets better later" argument, I was dragged into Guild Wars 2 by a buddy, spent between 50 and 100 hours levelling a character to level 80 because I was told all the things I find interesting really start at max level, so I reach it and the character still felt like garbage to play, which I reported to my buddy who, after telling me it gets better at level so and so every time I complained prior to reaching 80, now told me that it's going to get better when I grind to get some of those specialization skills and passives and masteries. Needless to say, I regretted ever trusting them in that regard.
I gave this game 3 hours and sold it. I had many of the same gripes you did. The opening was slow, and I stopped caring about the characters and the crafting after the 2 hour mark. Ultimately, it just didn’t have the basis of a fun experience for my preferences. Always appreciate your take, Mayo!
@@aramondehasashi3324 yeah I got the deluxe edition on my birthday a couple weeks after it came out and I couldn't believe I payed 90$ on a game I played for a little under 8 hours. Shit was so boring.
You might like Dead Cells. It’s a fantastic roguelite with very snappy, and responsive combat and movement, and a really interesting way of scaling difficulty.
@@underthemayo will you make a video explaining your thoughts on it? 4 of my friends and I played it over different periods of time and have common complaint, that being the grind system. Personally I played it 1-2 years ago and stopped after 2 bc just because I thought the core gameplay loop wasn't strong enough. The idea of constantly changing weapons that may play very differently with higher rarity/lvl/synergies be able to output decent damage, as you progressed through the levels, that very idea is probably my biggest gripe with the game aside from the grind. Curious to hear your thoughts.
I understand your points. I completed DL campaign like 5 times. The first time I was playing for the story, the second time I was trying to complete it as fast as possible, and then I was just messing around. And after that I discovered modding. I was able to mod the game so that I had all EXP trees unlocked completely from the start, I could get infinite money using a duplication glitch, then I got the best gear in the game (Semi auto shotgun, the best machette modified with the best upgrades in the game and some craftable bombs). I also modded my running speed and jump height, so that parkour was no longer a problem and ramped up the dropkick force multiplier and voila, I got a save file where I'm basically playing doom, dropkicking zombies into outer space and making volatiles wish they never spawned. TLDR: I started enjoying the game properly only after I modded it to hell and back. That's in no saying "hey you played it wrong", not at all. No hate towards you for not liking the game, just sharing my experience with the game. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Fanboy edit: Thanks for the heart
As someone who has beaten Dying Light at least 6 times, and has almost nothing but good things to say about it, It's really good to see a very different perspective on this game, other than my one. it made me think about certain aspects of the differently, and I really appreciate that. I've noticed we have WAY different opinions about games, (for the most part) and you'd think that it would make me dislike you. It is quite the opposite! I've seen some of your vids before, but I never really thought much of them, (probably because I was younger and got salty because you didn't like a game I liked lol) until I saw this one. I'm definitely subscribing, and I'm gonna check out some more of your content! Thanks Miracle Whip Man!
Factorio is a game entirely about crafting, where every system in the game depends on it. Many modern games just tape on a crafting system for what feels like no reason other than an obligation to do so.
I personally adore Dying Light 1, despite its faults, and I thought it might be interesting for some if I explained why. My aim isn't to convince anyone who didn't enjoy the game to change their mind, but rather to articulate my enjoyment for myself and for those who haven't played the game but might consider doing so in the future. Here goes: 1. Dying Light was one of the first few open world games I played, meaning that I wasn't yet hypersensitized to DESPISE the "generic open world" model of looting, crafting, fetch quests etc. I think the only open world games I'd played before were some of the Bethesda ones (Fallout 3 and NV, as well as Skyrim), and though they have a similar element of repetitiveness and mindlessness, it isn't as overt as in most newer open world games. Dying Light 1 isn't as abysmal as some, however. 2. First-person parkour is exceedingly rare to find in games, in a functional state at least, and Dying Light was my first experience with it. It's still my favorite implementation, so far. 3. First-person hack-and-slashers are exceedingly rare as well, and though Dying Light's combat is clunky and unpredictable, it still managed to get me my "fix." Somehow the unpredictability and opaque damage system enhanced the experience for me. I think the fact that I could never count on things going to plan made the game more tense and survival-horror-esque. 4. Dying Light was my first experience with the "zombie sandbox" and I think it's still probably the best ever created. Unfortunately for Mayo, the best elements of this-such as the vehicles of The Following (DLC), massively overpowered weapons that send enemies (literally) flying, easter egg weapons and items, etc.-are not super accessible in the amount of time he spent with the game. I don't blame him for giving up on it, and I think his distaste for the "it gets good at hour 40" response is absolutely legitimate, but that doesn't change the fact that the game has a long arc of player progression-one that a lot of players enjoy. 5. Some of the best side missions aren't available until the late game or in The Following. Many of the fetch quests, though mechanically asinine, are actually kind of hilarious (thinking of the alcohol one in particular). Some are even easter eggs. 6. Playing with friends is a COMPLETELY different experience! If all you're looking for is a fun romp in which to make the most of the game's absurd mechanics, or if you want to take on the most difficult challenges (Bozak Horde at low level, Harran Prison, Night Hunter Invasions, etc.), playing with friends is an absolute MUST! There are (or were, when I played) a fair amount of super high level players-or just plain hackers (one cannot really cheat, as it's primarily a co-op/singleplayer game, and I never encountered pvp cheating)-that can show new players just how fundamentally the game transforms over time, and take them on adventures they'd otherwise not have. 7. Dying Light, being heavy on the horror elements, but quite light on the actual horror, was how I got introduced-to/comfortable-with the horror genre. 8. The graphics are very scalable, meaning that high-end rigs can crank them up for a significant visual treat, and people with medium-low rigs like me can still experience the game with decent looking visuals and high framerates. 9. The story, though mind-shittingly (just invented that term, I quite like it) stupid, does a fairly good job of placing the player in cool, scary, and cinematic situations. Some that I can think of right away include: the school, some of the scarier tunnels, the massive tower with the rainstorm, the Volatile Nest bombing sequence, Rais' pit escape, and the mission where you blow a frowny face out of the side of a building. 10. The Following is probably the best non-standalone DLC ever made for any game, ever. Or, at the very least the best I've encountered. It's basically a miniature sequel. 11. Mayo was misled regarding night activity. Yes, it is true that one of the rewards the game explicitly tells you about is higher XP, but there are quite a few missions, side and story alike, that cannot be completed during the day. Additionally, there is a huge arc in terms of how the night is experienced by the player. The first night is pure survival horror. Night by the 100 hour mark (not an exact figure, I'm just trying to say that it takes a LONG time), is a zombie fiesta just like the rest of the game, only now it's Volatiles that are getting demolished by the player rather than Biters or Virals. Taking on the most powerful enemies in the game toe-to-toe, after running from them for so long, is incredibly satisfying. Additionally, night in The Following operates very differently with the sparse landscape and motorized buggies. 12. The regular content updates, though most are utterly meaningless, give the game a sense of constant upkeep and care that very few other games have. 13. The Bozak Horde is divisive. A lot of people dislike it. I ADORE it. It isn't even worth attempting until you've maxed Crane's skill trees, but once he's powerful enough it turns into its own separate game. It's a roguelite-esque adventure inside of Dying Light, and though it takes lots of practice (and failure) to get the hang of it, once you can consistently survival to the final arena, it becomes unbelievably exhilarating. 14. Best ragdoll zombies. Simple as that. 15. Tons of easter eggs, some of which are developer exploits that can really shake up the game, especially in the early hours. Replayability is enhanced by the inclusion of these. 16. New Game + that can actually be meaningful, particularly if you increase the difficulty to Nightmare, which was added as an update a while after launch and is absolutely brutal. 17. Though the crafting system is dumb, the weapons that can be constructed are badass to epic proportions. You haven't experienced Dying Light until you've simultaneously electrocuted, ignited, and launched a zombie off a rooftop. I'm sure there are plenty of other things I'm forgetting that made this game so special for me. It would be fun if I got a conversation going. In case that happens, I'd like to repeat that Mayo's criticisms are 100% legitimate, and I do not aim to undermine them, merely to add that there is also a whole heap of wonderful stuff in Dying Light, packaged in such a way as to make it a truly unique experience. It'll be interesting to see what changes are made in Dying Light 2.
Dying Light is a game I have been playing for years now. But I still remember that first start. That weak, slow Crane with junk weapons out in a dangerous world, and I loved it. I made it my mission to get better. Not just to level up and get better gear, but to hone my skills in this type of gameplay. The breakable weapon system made me treasure them, so I always used my weakest one. Some skills made no sense to me, so I didn't use them. I learned the map, understood the enemies, and after hundreds of hours, I finally got what I wanted. At that point, I was a walking death dealer. A single swing was all it took to kill multiple biters. I used the crossbow when I wanted to go silent, or the engraved shotgun when I wanted to get up close and personal with the volatiles. Day or night did not matter much. I enjoyed the whole journey and I also enjoyed being the Grim Reaper for the undead. But of course I can see why you may not like it either. Year is already 2023, I guess it was 2022 when this video was made. Every year the graphics get better and the games get more realistic. For someone who never played it before, Dying Light might look too ugly to play today. But the first time I played it, it felt beautiful. The map that you called uninteresting and just brown everywhere was breathtaking. I especially liked looking at the map from a high point at sunset. The night chases were scary and adrenaline filled. It made it so much more fun to finally kill one of those bastards. However, yes. It is not everyone's cup of tea.
@@PointlesslyNecessaryConvos I mean it is a city... But even then just the huge distinction between maps is good enough. There aren't many games from back then that were more diverse, especially not with such a focus on high quality gameplay.
I honestly think you shouldn't put a game away forever after (just) 10 hours, unless you're having a really miserable time. In 10 hours I finished DOOM eternal without ever using more than 3 weapons and I thought it was alright, maybe a 7/10. Now that I have played it a shit ton and seen everything it has to offer, it's my favorite game of all time. The same with Dark Souls, Sekiro and cuphead, but maybe that is just because I have way too much free time
He's not a fan of open world survival games in general. I don't see how he'll ever enjoy these type of games. Its matter of taste. Not wrong with that.
The difference is, you beat DE in 10 hours general engaging with its systems and thought it was good enough to want to play it more and see what else it had to offer. That is NOT the experience I had with DL.
I feel like the disconnect here is in how you generally prefer games which, per your Mario 64 video, force you into their own version of Eternal's 'fun zone.' You don't want a game that allows you to play in this freeform way; you seem to prefer being funneled quickly into a sort of tightly controlled Pavlovian gameplay loop. And I get that, that's generally what I prefer as well. But I think a game like this is best enjoyed at a leisurely pace, and with the understanding that you get out of it what you put into it. Yeah, you can avoid night missions (for example), but they're super challenging and the XP you get absolutely does become a boon as you encounter more powerful enemies and missions later in the game - especially if you're playing with the difficulty cranked, which you should. For games like this or Assassin's Creed or The Witcher, a big part of the experience is the stories you create as you interact with the world and attain more skills. It's pretty nice in Dying Light when you get powerful enough to mow through powerful zombies without missing a beat, if you're just looking to be funneled into the fun zone, you're not really going to stick around long enough to get the payoff. Dying Light is a super slow burn even for an open-world game, but there is actually a pretty impressive variety of locales and the latter half of the game takes places in a totally different area - not to mention the country setting of the DLC. But it's a game that asks a lot of initiative of its players, and that's not for everyone.
Couldn't agree more. I've got over 200 hours in the game and that came mostly from a recent playthrough where I decided to hold off doing most of the story and just grind. I got to legend level 80-something before even getting to old town. That's because grinding, or farming as other people might say....is sooooo fun in this game. I would literally just go to infamy bridge and clear EVERYTHING. There wasn't too much skill to it but hell it was fun. That being said, when it turns into night the whole experience is sooo much more difficult. Being on the bridge with volatiles running around everywhere, switching to UV lights, to flares to fireacrakers....all whilst grappling frantically from car to car is an experience I will NEVER forget....But yes, the game doesn't force you to do that...so what? It's fun and engaging to do. I voluntarily play on nightmare to give myself a challenge so I will voluntarily do all sorts of crazy stuff at night. I remember playing coop with a friend and it was always a running joke that whenever we were about to do a side mission, I would always trick him into going to sleep first to wait for night and make the experience so much more challenging. Just because you have to seak out the challenge sometimes does not make it a bad game. Maybe bad game design but everything is there for a fantastic and engaging experience and that at least deserves some credit.
Some great points made here. Nowadays I really admire games that aim to get you playing as soon as possible. But I'm still able to enjoy games such as Red Dead 2 for example if I'm willing to just let myself be immersed. For me, Red Dead 2 is a game that offers so much rich detail and atmosphere, that I can't help but be drawn into it.
@@monolith6161 seriously. Guy plays the some of the greatest games in recent history and hates every one of them. Titanfall? Shit. Dying Light? Shit. Like he didnt even make it to old town
@@benjamindibb2538 Exactly that. DMC, God of War, Resident evil, Halo , etc. Everything is shit, literally unplayable for him. I don't get it. If this continues ill probably unsub. I understand criticism but you can't hate every game that's out there.
Dying light is very much like just cause. Great mobility, lots of toys to play around with and lots of ridiculous ways to dick around in the sandbox but very repetitive in how the world, quests, enemies, etc are designed. P. S try project zomboid ;)
@@thewanderingartists haven't played that one yet but just cause 3 was a lot of fun. There's something to be said about just how enjoyable a game can be just by fine tuning its mobility systems.
@@bruhder5854 from the reviews I was convinced that JC 4 was boring but when I played it and got the tethers I've probably spent over 40 hours experimenting with tethers 😂 I do miss the lightning gun and wingsuit from JC3 but I couldn't go back to JC 4 after playing JC4 the tether system is great !
Appreciate ya giving this a shot and reporting back, anyway! I just got around to playing this a few months ago myself and am currently on The Following, and I absolutely fucking love this game. I've got around 80 hours put into it right now. The gameplay loop in the base game just hooked me in unlike damn near anything else ever has, and the story actually grew on me up to The Pit where I reached peak adoration due to the downright ridiculous nature of the narrative as a whole. The Following improved on the main games plot by leaps but likely still won't make it worth checking out if the main game didn't click. Considering the games you enjoy as shown on your channel I can totally get how this might not interest you. You don't need to play over 10 hours for sure, you put in more than enough time to know for sure lol. I personally enjoy games like Dying Light where you become stronger as you play to the point of being the biggest threat in any situation.
Another note, it seems a lot of your issues are a product of how you ended up playing. Not that you’re playing wrong, just something I noticed. You felt weak and underpowered early game, which is a fair criticism but you also recklessly died and didn’t care about the survivor points. The penalty of death was different than most games, you get the cool skills and become stronger as you play carefully and gain experience. It seemed to me that those two issues you had of the penalty of death and the underpowered feeling bled into each other. Regardless, I don’t think you’ll like the game and I’m not asking for you to play another 10 hours to decide. Go out and play games you love, play new games you’re interested in etc. Even with this in mind I just don’t think you’ll vibe with what it is considering your tastes. I appreciate you giving it a shot though Mayo!
I think if it didn't have prodeus style checkpoints and I actually had to replay the mission when I died, I would have found more engaging ways to play.
@Under The Mayo To be fair you were self aware of the it and decided to keep playing that way regardless, so that's kinda on you even if the game allowed it
@@ChristopherCubbage This argumemt is stupid, if a game lets you cheese an enemy or a system then thats on the game cause people are gonna do it. No one said you can't enjoy the game. I for one like minecraft due to the abilty to be creative with how you play but find dying light boring for the same espically have to keep weapons repared, like sunset overdrive seems way more fum to me than dying light with better movement and with actual punishment for losing and reward for playing well. Dying light rewards you for playing better but does not punish you in any way for losing, and no not giving a player a reward is not a punishment since they won't know what they are missing
I hated the first few hours of Dying Light but if you stick it out it becomes WAY BETTER. Once you upgrade some skills and get better weapons the game becomes more fun because you don't have hit an enemy 25 times before they die. But I agree the npc's are glorified mannequins.
Well he's certainty not going to play another 10-30 hours of this game, and thats fine. You have the right to stop playing a game if you don't like it.
I think that the best way to have fun in dying light is downloading a endgame savefile and then playing cuz story isnt good, parkour is fun and combat gets better once you unlock more skills
Dying Light is one of my favorites of all time but I knew you weren't going to like it. A big reason for me loving it so much was that it was all that I had as a kid, so I had nothing better to do than do everything in it.
Good side quests are key. The gameplay of The Witcher 3 is really nothing special, but the side quests always sucked me in and it's a lot of fun uncovering what sorts of new weird and unique monsters lie in that next cave or dungeon.
@@fuckso2342 Witcher 3 is better than FNV in that regard easily. Way better writing and storytelling, regardless of graphics and character modeling. But FNV is still better than most.
8:33 I've found that I don't enjoy the core gameplay loops of traditional open world games like Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Far Cry. Scavenging and crafting in gameplay doesn't appeal to me when the story isn't enough to pick up the slack, but the one open world game that i greatly enjoyed was Sunset Overdrive, because of the wacky premise, the ridiculous story, the gunplay and crazy arsenal, and the unique traversal mechanics.
Same thoughts on Dying Light 1, couldn't get into it. I recently picked up Dying LIght 2 and LOVE it. My expectations were low due to all the "meh" reviews with bugs etc and my experience with the first one, but really enjoying it seems like a completely different game.
Yes, i saw the same thing happen with Doom, some people didn't like Doom 2016 but they loved Doom Eternal. At the time Dying Light 1 seemed to me a very impressive game for an indie game but with its flaws, and Dying Light 2 already feels like a solid and consistent game, for me it is what Dying Light 1 should have been.
Try Dying Light 2, that game is basically what Dying Light 1 should have been in the first place. The first game feels like a lot of good experimental ideas but implemented in a not very consistent way. In fact Dying light 1 and 2 reminds me of Doom and what Hugo Martin said in his interview with noclip "Doom Eternal destroys Doom 2016, you won't be able to go back to Doom 2016 after playing Eternal". That's how I feel with Dying light 2, I don't think I'll play the first one again for a long time, maybe never. I used to play a lot of Dying light 1 (I got to legend level 239) until Doom Eternal came in 2020 and over time i realized how heavy, inconsistent, unpleasant and sometimes garbage the first game could be and trust me that Dying Light 2 it's nothing like that. Actually the first game has a facade at the beginning of what it tries or wants to be but it doesn't achieve it and ends up being much simpler, which the second does achieve (not all but mostly) things like immersion of the night or the dark zones (something super repetitive in the first one full of only volatiles 😴), the combat that is very limited and unintuitive in the first one too (the 2nd also fixes that). Anyway, I played the first game too much because I loved the concept even though it wasn't a very good game while the 2nd already feels like a good solid game in my opinion, therefore I thought you should give Dying Light 2 a try.
I am VERY interested to hear your thoughts on the recently released Sifu. The game is quite unforgiving and definitely has a "you either play the way we want you to play, or you won't make it to the end" approach to its design. So who knows, maybe you might like it (although the camera can be a pain in the ass, ngl). Also, consider a game called Furi, another uncompromising indie action game (sorry for the abundance of suggestions, I am just trying to make the best out of a comment). All the best anyway!
Furi was a real surprise for me, too. I'm not typically someone into boss rush style games, but Furi just had a real energy to it that was amazing. Plus the game has a pretty dope soundtrack which I still listen to occasionally.
I see a thing happening that you repeat again and again. When there is fun to be had in the gameplay, but it is not directly pushed by the game itself via necessity, you get turned off by that and stop there. You did that with Titanfall 2, Ghostrunner and now in Dying Light aswell. There are cool movement systems to vibe with and enjoy, that also have plenty of skills to improve in. For example now in Dying Light, I found it rather enjoyable that the objectives often are on the other side of the map, that gives me an excuse to vibe with the parkour and maybe come across unexpected things along the way. As a different example: Titanfall 2s campaign is rather boring in my opinion, I played it 2-3 times and thats it, the multiplayer is also rather boring if you play it like a wannabe cod. If you though put in a bit of effort into the movement mechanics, test out some weapons and learn what we in the context of your channel might call the titanfall dance, then you will notice that's its very rewarding, slick, skillful and creative. Because of that, I have and still am putting in hundreds of hours into that game and still learn things to this day while having an absolute blast. Is all that fancy movement tech necessary when looking at the campaign? No, it's even disadvantageous on higher difficulties. Is it necessary against new players in the multiplayer? No, you'll be fine just running on the ground with the occasional wallrun. Is it necessary against veterans? Absolutely, if you touch the ground you're dead, if you slow down your dead, if you're not slingshotting, strafing and bouncing around corners and rooftops you're dead. But you only find that out after having patience with the game and putting some time in, even though it doesn't make sense in the beginning. Don't always expect the game to deliver all the fun to you, try and meet it halfway and see if you maybe get pulled into the world of the game. At the end of the day, that's just my take though and not everyone has the same opinion, taste and preferences and that's OK. Whilst I tend to disagree with you on some games you don't enjoy, I very much so agreed with your takes on the doom franchise and got sucked into the franchise because of you, which I'm very grateful for. So don't take the criticism to heart, you do you champ.😉
@@underthemayo oh damn forreal? I must've forgot that. I guess I'm in a habit of thinking you don't like the games I like.😆 But yeah, ghostrunner is great, I am thinking about downloading it again.
The thing is, that king of fun makes no sense for a challenge based player like mayo. Sure you may grind tens of hours getting good at titanfall's movement, but without a challenge to force you into that kind of mastery, what's the point ? Meanwhile in doom eternal, the game forces you to use all your tools, so you have to get good at it if you want to do anything. This way, the act of getting good finds meaning.
The "chore" experience is generally relatable with one exception: I personally found some kind of zen relaxation in a simple parkour, avoiding combat for as much as possible and just running around from one point to another. The overall world design might be _visually_ boring, but with some investment in the Agility skills it opens up quite a complex pathfinding with its _geometric_ layout. There are still a few games whch nailed that core gameplay much better, in particular both chapters of Mirror's Edge, but DL still can provide that very specific experience.
I felt the same way. It just felt like a slog with sub par melee combat. Nothing felt solid in that game and it felt like everything had the weight of air in a plastic bag.
You should try Metro Exodus! I just recently played it for the first time (it was my first experience with a Metro game) and I loved it. The world design is top notch, it has amazing atmosphere and immersion, and the gunplay and weapon customization is very satisfying. It has a bit of a crafting element, but there are only 2 crafting materials, and everything is made from a combination of those, so it's very simple, but still worth scavenging to your heart's content (especially in the early game). The story is mostly predictable, the characters are sweet, but the gameplay is what really hooked me. It's like a tactical fps with some lite-survival aspects (managing ammo/health packs and scavenging enemies/areas).
I'll add that it took me 20 hours to finish the game. I went out of my way to explore a few times (if I was low on resources and saw a place that peaked my interest) and did maybe 2 side quests. I'll also recommend playing the game on Hardcore difficulty. It supposedly emphasizes the importance of managing your ammo and stuff, which for me was a big part of the experience, so it's hard for me to imagine playing on easier than that (but no shame to anyone who does)
You fucked up by not playing the other games in order! And yes, Metro is always meant to be played on the hardest difficulty. Otherwise supplies are abundant and it's just an FPS shooter. I never use full auto in those games. Always tap fire.
@@Theviewerdude I looked into the other Metro games and honestly they just didn't look like something I'd personally like. I did watch a few videos to catch up on the story tho. They seem cool, I see the appeal, they're just not for me
@@Speeff if you liked Exodus you'll like the others. It's the same game just worse graphics and not an open world. The mechanics are pretty similar too. Which is actually a major plus it isn't open world. If you liked the last area of the game (I forget the city, when it is winter again), or if you liked the bunker or tunnel with the spiders in the desert and forest map, then you'll love the other games. You're missing out. They're also dirt cheap and small file sizes.
@@Theviewerdude I liked those levels, but because they were nice breaks from the open world. I might get them after playing Exodus' DLCs. I usually don't like games that are 100% linear levels from beginning to end, but there are exceptions to that and the first 2 metro games might be exceptions. We shall see. Thanks for the recommendation :)
I hope you get to review Deep Rock galactic someday because I honestly don't think I have ever seen a shooter this fun and with this much identity since Doom eternal. And with more gameplay diversity.
Throw a cracker, let the zombies gather around it. Then throw a molotov. In dying light, you barely get guns. Even if you do, you'll run out of ammo. If you get ammo, you'll run out of money. It's all about escaping, setting up traps for the zombies and managing your resources effectively. You mostly get melee weapons and they become blunt after a while. You need to repair them. You need to keep a lookout for drops and also you need to visit the quarantined zones where you'll get a good loot but the area will be challenging. You'll start to like it more the more you play it. But sometimes you may feel bored or despaired.
I’ve watched several videos about Dying Light 1 specifically. Mainly ones about the story and characters vs. the mechanics it offers. I’ve really began to realize that, yeah, it has a rather forgettable story that you don’t really read into that much. It’s mostly fetch quests and running around forcing you to make your own fun out of it. I like that and I don’t. I personally really like the game. At the same time I can really see why a lot of people don’t like it.
Mayo gotta be one of the best on the platform. I'm genuinely happy to see how genuine and true to yourself you can be man. I personally loved Dying Light and had lots of fun with it, because I'm doing parkour IRL and had lots of fun with the different mechanics. But gotta agree and respect many of the points you made in this video. Once again, you're giving us a pure gem of a video. Love the straightforward message, don't need to waste your time if you're not enjoying the game, that's it. Even more if you already have extremely busy weeks. Keep it up man, been there for two years now, and not missing a single upload. ❤
This is certainly a divisive video. I personally give Dying Light a 8/10. I really enjoyed it despite some clear flaws of some characters being uninteresting and some sections (there are dream sections, and I fucking hate when a game or movie have those), but most of the game's systems were really fun to me. I liked the combat and it even ramps up the more you play and get good weapons like Katanas. The movement and parkour feels awesome and gets better when you get upgrades. As always, your criticism gives an important view of games that just receive a lot of praise. Not every game will satisfy anyone.
So far fans of the game have been understanding of my view on it, which is very cool. And hopefully the video was entertaining enough to not just sound super negative and like a downer.
Kinda funny considering a lot of people don't like healthbars on Dying Light 2 and some of the hud for being too in your face and not being good with immersion.
I would consider DL's crafting to be pretty barebone, so one must really have an adversity for it to decide to dodge it, which clearly ends up messing up with the combat. Since you got shitty weapons instead of awesome ones, the combat is tedious instead of quick and brutal and you don't get to the second half of the game with all these awesome horror side quests and the grappling hook. It's true that the game takes a while to open up, but dismissing core elements of the gameplay obviously comes at a cost. You would have probably appreciated The Following more than the base game
…I think survival horror is just not your thing…it happens…I for instance can’t stand GTA single player…I find it childish and pretty boring….but hey the world LOVES IT…
I think there are a few memorable side missions here. Like the mass suicide on the rooftop, Gazi, secret alcoholics' party, military base across the bridge... but yeah, VERY few.
I haven't played DL, but It is kinda of weird hearing you say "It's not my job to make your game fun if you make the boring work" when you clearly have the radical opposite opinion about Doom.
I've beaten dying light twice and I actually agree with all of your criticisms... right up until around 8:15. Yeah technically you're right, it isn't your job to make the game fun but surely you have an incentive to play the game in a fun way if the option is available to you, no? You can approach the gameplay of dying light in a few different ways, you chose a way that you found to be tedious and then rather than listen to people tell you about more fun ways to play it you make it out as if its bad game design to not force you to play in the "fun way" rather than let people play how they want. (I guess to prove the point that if you play games in an exasperating fashion games are exasperating.) It comes off to me as failing to meet the game at its own level.
It's the checkpoint system. No tactics or smart play are necessary because the enemies you killed stay dead after you die. There's no need to actually plan a strategy and survive a full mission. If there were, I guarantee you I would have had more fun. I would have cared about resource management. I would have cared about investing in better weapons.
This is why I like your channel and content, you don't mince words and you don't give shit you don't like anymore time than it deserves, because the series is called "everyone told me to play" it means you're not obligated to beat said game they want you to play and you don't force yourself to play the game to the end, if anything that only enhances your opinion more if do play til the end.
If you're gonna ignore the combat, It's no wonder you are bored lol. Even Doom be boring if you don't play it as it intended. I guess you just wanted to have a bad time.
Damn, you really made this game experience the worst you could. And no one is at fault but yourself for it. Finding a game to be boring and bad while ignoring some core mechanics of it is a recepy for not enjoying a game, and you did it on purpose LOL
im with you on this mayo, the crafting was tedious and i could never find the right materials. the story generic with boring characters. the combat just felt off and boring, and the progression seemed pointless
I was told by a friend who really liked this game that they actually redesigned the progression to take -longer- than in the vanilla game with The Following expansion. The progression was also one of my main gripes with the game as well. I put almost 30 hours in and by the time I beat the main story I never really felt like my character had gotten much better. Personally I would have enjoyed the game far more if the progression and item degradation system was significantly reduced. But I understand that it's one of the main draws for people. One of my memories of the game is getting a legitimate real life sword from a museum and it doing less damage than a makeshift axe I had, and breaking in like 15 hits - and that was sort of when I just said "okay, whatever." And beat the game just so I could have closure on it.
I think crafting gets cumbersome when it doesnt immediately feel like a welcome solution to a problem. Like its throwing all the quiz answers at you first and expecting you'll forget later when the test comes. A game has to sorta establish the need first then hint how you can improvise your way out, or use a tool in more than one way.
I love Doom Eternal and I love Dying Light - in an odd way I find your view to be more neutral and objective than Cynic because he's a huge fan; he loves DL like you love Doom Eternal. I don't agree with all your points but I do see where you are coming from with a lot of them. Don't worry about people not agreeing with you; one of the reasons I love your channel is your unfettered total honesty! Different strokes for differenr folks right?👍
It's definately a game that takes its time. DL2 made some improvements with the crafting system and the parkour, but tbh it's a game that either you fall in love with because of its parkour or you get bored and start to hate it. Very hit or miss, but when i started exploring the more whacky ridiculous side of the game i fell in love with it. The Following is definately better than the main campaign as well. It's a mixed bag, but it's got a lot to offer if you have the patience for it. It makes sense many people don't. I started playing when I was just burned out with MP shooters and it was exactly what I needed.
Sometimes a game simply isn't for everyone's tastes. THAT SAID, I suspect there are some issues in how you think the game is supposed to work, and there are issues with this "I'm not supposed to make your game fun" mentality. The whole issue with weapons being shitty and impossible to kill zombies early on is intentional. That is the point. You are supposed to use your parkour to complete missions. If you have to kill zombies in your way, you have to use the environment or supplies to your advantage. Downed electrical line in a puddle? Turn on the breaker and kick the zombie in the water. Push them into spikes. Kick them off a building. Use a molotov. Throw a firecracker at an exploding barrel. These things are conveniently placed wherever you find hordes. Did you ever use one? If absolutely nothing is around you, then you have to resort to bludgeoning them to death and running out of breath several times in the process. But if you play smart, those situations are quite limited, until you level up to handle it better. If you were able to just mow down hordes of zombies then there's never any reason to do anything but that and the game becomes immediately stale and unchallenging. As you level up, you unlock abilities that allow an instakill with the right set up. Land on a zombie from a height, stun it when it tries to grab you and hit a finisher, get behind it and snap its neck... eventually get a bow that kills most normal zombies in 1-2 arrows to the head. As you chain these together, the combat becomes really unique and fun. Not like other melee games where it's "press A enough times to win". There's such a strong sense of progression built into it as you're not only unlocking new abilities, but you're actually learning how to best use them and the world around you. If you go into every engagement just trying to senselessly beat zombies to death, not caring about dying, and just constantly coming back until the same brain dead strategy eventually works, then yeah you'll get pretty bored. That's like using nothing but the starting shotgun on doom eternal, and getting annoyed when you keep running out of ammo. The fun is in figuring out how to navigate the challenge, using all resources at your disposal, struggling to stay alive, running when necessary, and levelling up, unlocking new abilities, and becoming faster. Of course it isn't your job to make a game fun if you're not enjoying it. But consider, games are created with a certain playstyle being the 'intended' way to play. The entire game will be crafted around this idea, fleshing out the system, while other potential ways to play, that were not intended, will be ignored, especially if they contradict. Such as, being some superhuman zombie slaughtering machine, and a very human survivor that is vulnerable. Developers usually do not explicitly tell you how to play but instead provide hints and environmental suggestions. Such as, making zombies really difficult to kill early on, but leaving tons of traps laying around, and teaching you how to craft firecrackers. What is the game telling you there? Mindlessly bash heads, or use your environment and avoid conflicts? Most players pick up on these without noticing. Others don't get it and keep trying to play the 'wrong' way. No matter how well a game pushes you towards the intended playstyle, some people simply won't get it without some sort of higher faculties trying to figure out the most fun way to play. So yeah, you're under no obligation to MAKE a game fun. But do you absolutely need everything spoon fed to you? Remember when you were a kid and you were able to entertain yourself with absolutely anything using your imagination? Wouldn't you find enjoyment much easier, if you learned and put effort into finding the best way to enjoy something? How many great things are you missing out on by not making the effort?
Also the weapon crafting system is pretty pointless. You can ignore it and it won't affect your gameplay. Most of the weapon mods are weak, there's only like 3 worth actually using that provide a reasonable damage boost. The orange ones basically. The rest are mostly fun for the critical effects of sending a zombie flying or lighting them on fire. And if you're playing the game correctly, the damage boost only becomes relevant late game anyways, as you won't be trying to swing your way through hordes until about then. They could have removed 90% of the weapon mods and it would function the same. Crafting should mainly be reserved for consumables like explosives, firecrackers, molotovs, elemental throwing stars, and ammo for arrows.
Last thing that I posted elsewhere that belongs here: I hated Witcher 3 when I first tried it. Barely made it past White Orchard. Left a bad review, was super disappointed, didn't understand the hype. Try it again later and I've put over 100 hours into it, now one of my favorites of all time. That's because when I first went into it, I was wanting and expecting some elaborate melee combat game. But it's not, the combat is pretty basic and sometimes clunky. The main appeals are the story and role playing elements, where it is completely unmatched. Also with a good character building and progression system, with tons of freedom to create unique playstyles. If I had just stuck with my initial view and never tried it again, I would have missed out on over 100 hrs of enjoyable content. Which I'm still not done with, as I'll revisit it for a 3rd playthrough soon.
I'm with you, Mayo. I've been trying to find other games to enjoy besides Doom Eternal and can't. Every game is some version of walk around and pick items up and craft more crap. It's disappointing.
It seems like this generation is so easy to please. You can make a shitty copy paste games year after year and people will still buy it. It's a sad state of affair when it comes to games especially if you've grown up in the 90s. Just shit after shit after shit year after year after year.
Bro you should stop playing these kinds of games. you say you don't like player-controlled cameras, pretty much everything in the modern era has player controlled cameras. you say you don't like fantasy-style games then stop playing fantasy-style games. I've been watching your channel for quite a long time now, and it seems to me that the only type of games you like are classic survival horror games, first person shooters and classic hack and slash action adventure style games however, even games from the modern era that still aim to appease people who like those kind of games arent enough. (You run away from games that throw info and mechanics at you. Or games that have parry based systems because you suck. We all suck at first just try and give it time) you still don't give them a fair chance because you either don't want to spend time learning the game and it's systems properly or you want the game to specifically be like another game. (Not every game is gonna be ninja gaiden, god of war, doom, or resident evil) they are all your opinions yes I get that however, it's to the point where you are literally playing games you know you won't like. If the game has good gameplay and ideas, you hate the aesthetic. If the game has both good gameplay and aesthetic, you hate the camera or side mechanics.If the game has all three, the style or theme isn't your taste or you think there's too much exposition. If you don't want to try and expand your tastes bro it's time to stop buying games people recommend or hell stop buying most modern games and wait for something to catch your eye. Im a person who believes modern games are nothing compared to the classics but not everything is bad. You just have very specific taste and that's okay. But your tastes are far too specific for you to really enjoy anything from the modern era and I think it's time you accepted that .dying light isn't the greatest and I'm not a fan boy of the series at all. In fact I agree with a lot of things you said. But these types of games aren't your style. I think you should stick to games by specific development studios or stick to indie games. They have more of what you are wanting and if there's nothing out or coming out just keep playing the old games. You want an extremely specific kind of game and keeping those preferences and biases without stepping away from them a little bit and embracing something new is just gonna hurt your experience as a gamer. You played devil may cry 5 And wasn't too positive about it so in my mind I'm like well try the older ones? They have the fixed camera, (talking about dmc 1-3) the combat the exploration but then you've said you don't like the themes and level design. liked the gameplay and hated the aesthetic so there goes that. You gotta be willing to try new things and put biases and preferences aside man. It is the only way a gamer is gonna spend their money well now.
Dude I just put out a Best Of 2021 video with 13 games I just played and they're all very different. AND, as stated in this video, I enjoy taking recommendations for games that I may not enjoy because I like seeing something different and trying to understand what other people like. Yeah I didn't like sekiro but I'm really happy that I got to play it because now I know what OTHER people like about it. So you don't need to come here telling me what to play or not play or how you think my mind works.
@@underthemayo dude it goes without question you know for a fact what you like and don't like about certain games but u constantly have to defend yourself in comments and videos. why? because as stated before u keep playing games you most likely already know u wont enjoy. so why do it? you say you see what people like about these games but you still ultimately don't like them. so you're constantly being at odds with different gaming fanbases when all u gotta do is only play games u are sure have things you like and tolerate. you get these recommendations cuz every game you play you end up hating or crapping on. so people try and recommend games they think you may have a different opinion on. you know yourself. play something you like. or talk about something you like. its not gonna hurt to do that. maybe to your views sure because varying opinions generate clicks and views but come on man. im not here to crap on you. i like your content but you're clearly at a dilemma with the gaming industry and its clear you see no hope in it getting better.
@@underthemayo My point is that your level of enjoyment is dwindled because you're constantly holding on to things you liked about other games. Instead of seeing that game for the things that it does well. for example I don't like Destiny or looter shooters in general So I don't play them. Put it like this. How many of these games are you actually going to revisit? Are they worth a second or third playthrough? Did you get your moneys worth? You gotta stop holding on to things from other games and just play a game with a fresh mindset. That is all I'm saying. I'm not upset that you don't like dying light. I don't even think it's that great of a game. I actually think it's quite overrated. I don't even care that you dislike sekiro. I don't like Sekiro. ive been thinking about telling you this for awhile and I just decided to do it today. You couldn't give a crap less, I know. But this is what comment sections are for. I'm just commenting as a fan, nothing more. I want everyone to enjoy Games and get along. If that means not playing something because you know you won't like it, that's OK.
@@underthemayo and to correct you. You put best and worst. Of 2021. not best. Best annnnd worst. you said you don't like crafting systems and stat management so why play games where those are key components? you started this video saying you knew how people were gonna react so instead of doing the same song and dance how about doing research on these games before buying them? I'm not a hater. I'm just trying to lend some advice. take it 0r not its up to you. but if you want to play games you enjoy you would do that and seek them out. I'm just trying to share a perspective dude.
@@RheaLynnSummers I talk in the comments because I enjoy it, and because I'm baffled by people's misunderstandings and misrepresentations. Like here, you're quoting me as having said "I keep playing games I know I won't enjoy", implying that I'm constantly doing this, and that's not what I said at all. Most games I play, I find myself enjoying more or less. I was simply stating something that happens sometimes, and then I go on to explain why I value the experience. I am very glad that I played Dying Light because now I know the game that some of my friends and viewers really love. It doesn't matter that I didn't like it. AND, this is my job. Playing and talking about games, whether I like them or not, encourages channel growth and is just part of the identity of my channel. Get over it. It's amazing that I have people telling me "you only like one kind of game" while also criticizing me for even making the attempt at trying something new when I just end up not liking it. I will not be taking your advice of "just play what you know you'll like" because if I did that, I wouldn't have discovered some of my all time favorite titles. I do NOT end up hating everything. My Best Of list far outweighs by Worst of list. I talk about plenty of things I like. I'm working on a video about Slay The Spire, one of my favorite games. And your dishonesty about "it's not gonna hurt to talk about something you like," is mindblowing considering I JUST did a video gushing over Alisa. I am in no dilemma. I'm still playing games I enjoy. I'll continue to criticize titles that I think are going in the wrong directions, especially in franchises I love. I'll continue to take recommendations, finding new games to like and dislike. I enjoy the work.
Playing a few hours of Dying Light 2 made me feel it was lackluster compared to Dying Light 1's atmosphere and overall gameplay. It does look really nice and the environment is less rundown shacks and sheet metal roofs but there's something that doesn't quite feel right. Firstly, they seem to go with a more cinematic approach, such as when in the first game you have the first night mission, you end up trying to survive by running away from the super zombies while the horde screams behind you and you are alone. In DL2 you have to follow a glitching NPC who is at times slower than you so you have to also wait for him to make it forward before you can really do anything yourself. It was a major disappointment. Secondly, there's the stamina meter that is now also part of the parkour mechanic from which I had major flashbacks to Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness' "awesome" climbing and RPG mechanics about your climbing stamina. You know, those climbing areas where your stamina is just not quite enough to make the last stretch and you have to come back after finding some stamina boost or upgrade. And I'd rather just have free climb because that is more fun than constantly eyeing the stamina meter while also having to make split-second decisions about whether to climb the wall up and right or up and left to make it to the top. Thirdly, they really fucked up the sound effect and impact of the spike traps. In DL1 when you shove or kick a zombie into a spice trap you get this loud, metallic SCHLINK! and it's really satisfying seeing the zombie in these mangled poses stuck in the spikes. In DL2 you hardly hear anything, sometimes literally there's no sound effect and when there is, it is this lame version that doesn't really have any impact. And the zombies don't get stuck to the fence in these dynamic poses but most of the time they just dangle, ragdoll there from the point that first touched the spike itself (which is usually the pelvis area leaving them hunched over and dangling). Super unimpressive and unimpactful. Also, the netcode for coop is so poor that enemies teleport around and zombies sometimes spawn behind you into an empty room you've already dealt with.
@@UltraNorac It's definitely hard but they added checkpoints awhile ago (sparse but helps a lot), along with more weapons that change things up. Bosses are some of the coolest shit. Highly recommend you revisit it 👍
I completely agree! I bought the game only because of its coop option. Playing with friends was fun-ish, but even then I found it boring when I had to go to scavenge and craft stuff, it wasn't fun, it wasn't engaging and everything broke very easily. Not to mention a lot of stuff is random so you have to search for rubber and other stuff just by praying to RNG. The characters were also very uninteresting. You didn't get that far to where you have to the possibility to get the graplinghook, but once you get it the parkour is mostly not worth doing. I don't know if you'll see this comment, given that the video is pretty old, however I would recommend that you should play Nier:Automata and see what you think about it. Whether you'll enjoy it or not, I'd would like to see your take on it :D
I think that a game which allows you to play '' in a boring way '' or in a fun way is already something good. Because it let the choice to the players to take risks or not IF they like the game and wish to challenge themselves a little more. It's like playing Crysis in easy mode and stopping every few seconds to wait for the energy to come back so you ca be invisible all the way ( which won't work in higher difficulty)... You CAN do it, but you can dig further into it and have mad fun
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Play Bioshock
Wish Techland would take another crack at Call of Juarez or their forgotten science fiction FPS, Chrome.
@@denisvodovozov1099 (I think) he’s said he’s not a huge fan of Bioshock
Well now that you've reviewed a game that you don't like very much... Might I recommend a game I think you will? GTFO? It's an extremely hardcore four person horror shooter? I think that's how you would describe it. Think Aliens fireteam elite, but instead of just action it perfectly blends real "Aliens" type horror with action and combat. Also on top of that, it is EXTREMELY cerebral, in fact, I don't think I've thought so much about the strategic planning and gameplay since doom eternal, and that game was close to the pinnacle of challenge based gameplay. The teamwork aspects also feel so important, this game has this absolutely wonderful system of tools that are used together in unison to deal with the horrifying threats that are coming at you. C foam which kinda works like the GLOO gun in Prey, which can be combined with the mine deployer for amazing effects, or the bio tracker, which can help the one person who has it communicate with other players to deal with the more dangerous threats, the weapons are incredibly interesting and sound and act just like you'd expect some awesome sci fi gun to behave. One of them really reminds me of the smart gun from aliens. The monsters in this game are also iconic! I don't want to spoil you on any of them but the quality of the designs remind me of the creatures from sputnik and alien. Please check this out it's really the perfect game for someone who wants a game to push them into the fun zone and hold them accountable. If this interests you at a, here's a trailer that doesn't spoil anything, while giving you an hint of what it's about.
Also I should have mentioned this because I know you love duskers. This game has a really really interesting element that reminds me of the "coding" aspects used to control your drones. In GTFO hidden throughout the vast industrial complex, there are "terminals". Terminals are, well just what they sound like, they act quite similarly to a terminal app on your computer. Every once in a while during a level, you will need to access one of these terminals and type in commands in order to complete your mission. Commands like "query" "list" "logs" "deactivate" "open" "read" "input" "ping" all kinds of really interesting faux programming aspects that really help break up the pacing without using silly "match the strawberry type mini games". And sometimes you even have to use the terminal in combat, there are certain objectives that require you to establish a terminal uplink to your command center, where you will have to quickly type in codes and and send security verifications to your buddy in the second terminal while your last two teammates defend you from a horde of enemies. Imagine typing in strings of code like "uplink_verify terminal_714 code: X07" quickly before jumping out of the terminal to help your buddies fight a horde of horrifying monsters with 8 feet long tongues covered in teeth, before jumping back into the next code. It's such a great rush!
Neglecting night time in DL is kinda like neglecting Secret Encounters and Slayer Gates in Doom Eternal. You can totally do this if you're not hooked that much on game mechanics. But you are missing out some great gameplay.
Except it's not because the main game has loads of great gameplay start to finish, which I can't say for DL.
I think the main reason a lot of people (including myself) loved Dying Light, was because it was a much more interesting version of the Dead Island games. The parkour gameplay and the night and day system added a lot to the experience. I agree with your points about side quests and crafting. These aspects if not done well can significantly harm the pacing of the overall experience. Great video, Mayo!
imo the dead island games had alot more personality over dying light,the world was much more beautiful to look at,explore,it was like a world full of life but everyone was dead,i don't know how to describe it,the world was much more interesting to be in even when doing nothing.The combat was super fun. I loved those games and it's sad the sequel is probably never coming :(
@@Yuuki_Asuna I agree! getting to explore a zombie infested holiday resort was really cool. It was also one of the first games where I played through the WHOLE thing with a group of friends in co-op. And yeah it's a shame about Dead Island 2, all we got was a cool trailer.
@@scottdixon4366 I have been looking and the project is not cancelled and it seems like it would release someday,waiting for me is not a problem as long as they release a good game eventually so i'm hopeful. And the coop thing is very true, I played the whole thing with my best friend and is the only game for me that I considered to play with a friend,and when i was on my own in the game it was alot of fun too,just so much fun. sorry my english is trash haha,not my lenguage
@@Yuuki_Asuna ehhhh, I wouldn't be too excited, hell this is a completely different dev making DL2, it will most likely lack the techland DNA
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 Parkour is amazing, i honestly can't understand how that would be bad, and the story is bland, it's nothing special yes, but not really an issue, and finally the open world is the best part, i don't understand what buildings you're refering to as the game has limited open rooms to explore and most of them are empty store, it's a post apocalyps world, what's there to find? also there are two different maps that look nothing alike, that's not counting the DLC expansion
Since there's no "I tell you to play" section I'm going to take this tiny space...to tell you to play "Katana Zero", since I have the feeling I got a bit about your taste it could be an interesting experience for you
oh yes absolutely! I'm dying to play the DLC
I can agree with that recommendation.
I've been recomending hotline miami for a while, katana zero is a logic game to play after it, I love it, I hope he at least tries both games XD
He totally would like it, he could finish it in one stream too.
hes gonna hate it, i know it
“People told me to play…”
- usually a disaster or wishing to see someone suffer
“People told me not to play…”
Sometimes a hidden gem, or a entertaining thing you have fun with ether out of fun or out of mocking it
i have only seen like two videos of his people told me series where he actually likes the game
Not if it's dmc2 😬😬
@@Pablojunior2006 Because there were only 4 until this. You say "only like 2" suggesting that's a small number. It's half. Well, now 40%.
@@underthemayo nope, there were six, this is seventh.
@@Pablojunior2006 hey you're right. And I like bayonetta, and love Hades. So the percentage is even higher than 50% Thanks!
"It's not my job to make your game fun" been saying that for years. I'm already seeing people praise the removal of penalties for dying in the sequel, I saw one dude comment that he was happy that bosses don't regain any health after the player dies. You don't need to play creatively, using valuable resources and crafting items, when you can just bang your head against the wall until it eventually crumbles. You may call that playing in a boring way, I call it shit game design. All that said. I like the first game. It is and always was a 6/10 at best, but it's one of those 6/10 games I was always happy to return to. The movement is great, especially later in the game, and while the combat is never even remotely deep, you can still dropkick dudes off buildings and that pretty much never gets old.
Thats true. I can get behind that a life-system isnt needed in games . I can understand the people want better placed checkpoints or even Quick saves (which should be put instead of checkpoints but thats my two cents) .
But what i dont get is the unnecessary streamlining and horrible watered-down gameplay that its almost not worth to play . When people are praising that dying in a game have no penalities and you can just brainlessly beserk through the game then the game is pretty pointless to play .
What are the stakes in the game then ? Why playing good when playing badly solves everything too ? Whats the point to playthrough the game when even the story sucks (Many reviewers said that the story to Dying light 2 was mediocre at best)?
What i get from people who praise such things is that they just wanna consume and not PLAY games. Its like a football player doesnt wanna improve himself because being good and learning the rules means to put effort to it but plays football because he just wanna be in a team .
Catering to fragile egos was never a good idea and will never resulting in good stuff . But thats what gaming is going into.
"It's not my job to make your game fun"
Me trying to fiddle with Linux OS
What??? They removed death penalties?? Do the zombies you killed stay dead if you die mid mission still?
I hate xp penalties for dying because half my deaths seem like bullshit and I shouldn't be punished for them. As for the boss health regen that's lame.
@@destruction126 As a god of war and dark souls fan i gotta say get gud
Dying Light is one of those games that really makes you work towards being a badass. Once you max out all your stats it’s almost like playing a completely different game. Starting out the game SUCKS because you are so weak and slow. And I think that’s intentional. It’s definitely a game that will make you love it or hate it within the first couple hours. I was hooked, my friend was not. Some of the most fun I had was just fucking around in co-op, honestly.
He played it for more than a couple hours, and Mayo puts in more effort than the average person picking up a game. Seems to me like another one of those games that expects the player to use their imagination to see it's potential, f that. It should make you "work towards being a badass" by enforcing skill and effort requirements, not expect you to enforce a better way of experiencing the game. Boo!
It's one of those games that is not for everyone that's for sure but I kinda agree that progression ca be so slow , that you need serveal hours of grind to even get to the really interesting things and become really good and fun .Sadly this is an issue more or less with those type of games , with are clearly not for Mayo .
@@Ethan265Stapley ah yes boo the game and misunderstand how it works. Well done mate.
@@Ethan265Stapley well if you're talking about skill and effort then you clearly haven't played the game to see that Mayo did not play in the most "optimal" way. Granted, this is mostly because he didn't have any prior knowledge of how the combat truly works or how the progression system is laid out. I must agree, this game is not newbie friendly, but that being said the power curve of the game is insanely steep, so much so that you can go from struggling to kill one zombie to slashing 5 of them in one swing. Hell, the game never tells you that hitting a zombie in the knee causes it to break, forcing the zombie to limp. That's a very obscure but quite useful technique early on. Your survivor level dictates how strong the zombies in the world are, and seeing as Mayo pretty much rushed it his weapons were severely underpowered. The weapons you find or the ones that are offered in shop also scale based on survivor level, so the problem is he never even tried to get a better weapon by looting like 3 or 4 crates. Grinding can also be tedious if you don't know the optimal methods (again, not newbie friendly). I personally fail to see how the combat is clunky, it's very responsive and your hits actually have weight behind them.
Oh and also, even if this wasn't a review, the simple fact that he never mentioned the drop kick simply invalidates everything. You cannot speak about Dying Light without mentioning the drop kick.
He might enjoy DL2 more though.
it gets better club
Ok so that's what Dying Light is, I thought it was people telling me to change my light bulbs.
hahhahahah lmao thats actauly pretty funny
I’ve played this game since it came out back in 2015 and I have over 5,000 hours on ps4. But to be honest this is a really good video, I love the game but I can absolutely see where you’re coming from, and you make some good objective points. Especially like, if the damage of weapons and the health of zombies is so inconsistent, why is there no health bar? Among other things. That’s why it shocked me to see so many people complain about health bars in DL 2. I love the world, it feels really good to be in for me, but I see why someone wouldn’t like its sameyness, Overall I really like the honesty of the vid tho.
5000 hours bruhhhh
Are you a speedrunner ?
Health bars are shit, I am playing Dying Light 2 without them and on hard too.
what the hell did you do to put 5000 hours in? a 100% playthrough is like 40 hours.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Not everyone play games for completion, I play Dying Light and Doom Eternal for pleasure and immersion, not to get a 100% number on top of my save file, I don't give a shit about that or trophies.
The "Playing it in a boring way" Has some negatives and positives.
On one hand,
I don't like that opinion because I feel like people miss the point most of the time. Like for the people who don't like (old) Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell, or Metal Gear Solid. Namely assassin's creed in my experience. They don't like that the combat system is shallow, and that you spend most of the time hiding and jumping around on roof tops. You can't just run in, kill a guy and fight the city. Well, that's not the point. The point is to sneak, kill your target, run off. If you can't make your escape you're punished with combat. There is alot of people who say they like stealth, but can't play stealth games. Its not the games' fault you won't play the game by its rules and you get punished for it.
On the other hand,
If you are playing the game by its rules, and it simply isn't fun, then yes. The game failed at its job. If all you are doing is running back and forth hitting buttons then running back, then yeah. Its boring. I couldn't get into mirror's edge catalyst because the open world doesn't fit with the linear parkour movement style of the original.
Yes, exactly. Sometimes people just miss the point and play it in a boring way.
Usually how a game is designed leads most players to fall into the "correct" playstyle. Some players just don't get it when they first pick it up.
Sure you're under no obligation to MAKE a game fun if you don't immediately enjoy it, but from another point of view, someone else would just say that you are incapable of having fun unless it is spoon-fed to you. That learning how you can adapt and learn to find the best way to enjoy things, is an overall much more enjoyable experience.
The real reason he was struggling with the weapons is because he didn't really try to get better ones, which the game encourages by throwing a LOT of rare crates for you to open on your path from mission to mission. Damage of weapons you find and zombie HP also scale based on survivor level, so if you find a weapon at level 3 and you don't use anything else until level 9, then the zombies will be too tough for you to take out with a puny wrench. The game's progression is easier when you do the minimal amount of scavenging.
Other than that, the missions are bland fetch quests most of the time, I just like how goofy the side quests are. The following though, it's pretty fun. Missions are still fetch quests, but at least you're following a clear mysterious narrative, not some stupid story you don't care about. And there's a car. A whole car.
Also I agree about mirror's edge catalyst, but I found that I really didn't have anything to do or anywhere to go in that game. Maybe that's why fetch quests are so common in this kind of games.
I think that a game which allows you to play '' in a boring way '' or in a fun way is already something good. Because it let the choice to the players to take risks or not IF they like the game and wish to challenge themselves a little more.
It's like playing Crysis in easy mode and stopping every few seconds to wait for the energy to come back so you ca be invisible all the way ... You CAN do it, but you can dig further into it and have mad fun
Thank you someone who actually looks into the nuance of the issue he likes to pick at and how he misses the point sometimes. I like him and can agree with him most of the time but I feel like he kinda just slaps it on games sometimes missing stuff that is encouraged just not in the face and the difference between what makes a game failing it’s job or not.
"It's not my job to make your game fun" is probably the best rebuttal to the typical "Duh, obviously you're playing the game wrong"-comment ive ever heard .
I should make a shirt.
@@underthemayo Definitely
That argument could also be made for the Marauder in Doom Eternal. And the "You're playing it wrong" is essentially a part of Mayo's arguments in defense of the Marauders.
There is an objectively wrong way to play certain video games. Just saying.
@@rizkiagustian7640 Mayo is just not into open world survival games with crafting its a taste thing. Mayo never said Dying Light was a bad game or he didn't understand the games mechanics on basic level. The Marauder thing is different. Rewatch his video Mayo blatantly said if you find the Marauder boring mechanically that is fine but his video was about the people shitting on the Marauder with Skillup famously saying it was objectively poorly designed during the early games launch while also not even understanding the enemies most basic movement patterns, mechanics and weaknesses. Their own gameplay footage also showed objectively awful play against the Marauder and their options of the enemy reeked of boiling frustration. They also refused to use basic brain power and creativity in a game with ridiculously large expanded arsenal and tools to get around an enemy with a shield(use explosives behind shield or easiest noob tier combo SSG/BFG which kills marauders in 2 seconds = requires 150 iq to figure out???? ). You can't go around complain an enemy or miniboss is unfair and too hard by refusing to learn it on most basic level while they did it for other enemies in the same game. People rightfully mocked them for it on the comment sections.
Dying light is one of my favorite games and I might have spent one too many hours playing it (like about 100) and I am not here to say that you are wrong because the reality is... you arent. The game has a lot of flaws. Checkpoints, zombies health progressing into stupid amounts to amount for the players progress, most zombies or encouters of them being generaly easy after a ceartain point or being easily avoidable, the story being meh, the Slums being boring. I could go on for hours stating all of this games shortcomings. But here is the thing. It was unique and made by a passionate studio that kept supporting it for years and still does so. While it may not be the best game, it is probably one of the best open world, zombie, sandbox, fps games (thats a mouthful).
So yeah. Good on you for trying out Dying Light, I know its not for everyone and seeing that you gave it a fair review makes me respect you more than I already do. Never stop being honest man. Peace out.
This.... This is exactly how disagreements are supposed to be. Well said glimmer and good on you for elaborating and explaining that you love it and why others can't. The world is so crazy today if you say you don't like something. 💪
@@Sharktankgaming thanks man. I really apreaciate this. One small thing tho. Why does everybody write "Glimmer"? Like its clearly Gimmer yet every time someone puts an L for no apparent reason. I am not annoyed or something (its actually kind of funny) but I wanna know why, if you can tell me so.
@@gimmer6014 no shit. I didn't even realise. I thought your name was glimmer 🤷🤣🤣🤣 my bad dude. It's possibly one of those word/brain associations people make without even realising lol
@@Sharktankgaming No problem dude, thanks for the clarification. Peace out.
You should try crosscode if you are looking for a good gameplay experience.
The story is good in my opinion but can has some viable criticism against it.
However, the main reason I picked it was for the fast, flashy combat with a surprising amount of depth and really fun enemies to fight.
The puzzles and dungeons, while long and difficult, felt rewarding to complete and have legitimately good puzzles.
It would also be nice for you to review a game that is a bit different to your normal style of game to review.
The reason melee combat is so "clunky" at first is to get you used to using traps/grapples/environmentals. You'll get better weapons that can kill several zombies in a single swing later on, and you can pull off some crazy stuff after you unlock all movement tech. As much as I dislike progression systems in FPS games, I have to speak in favor of this one because if you had everything unlocked from the start it would absolutely break the early game.
I feel one of the fun aspect of dying light is progression, you collect stuff, level up, learning a bunch of skills. The progression may not mean much or add something to the core gameplay, but pregression itself is rewarding and relaxing for some players. I could spend handreds of hours playing monster hunter or noob, just to grind level and some good piece of gear, because I enjoy watching my character getting stronger. Mayo is clearly not that type of players.
Jip, thats it i guess. Its kinda guilty pleasure game just to enjoy getting better and stronger with every hour, slaying down all enemies.
Thats why people love or hate it.
Very much not me.
Progression shouldn’t be about crawling out of a hole that didn’t need to be there in the first place.
@@tonic4120 yeah that's where something like monster hunter or other games of that like differs from dying Iight. The games are usually fun from the start
@@underthemayo play Nier Automata
I have to say, after playing Dying Light 2 and getting to the center, im never going back to the first game. Yes, we lost guns, but we got a wallrun ability, monkey bars, bigger hitbox dropkicks, durability systems that made you actually try to use parries to conserve said durability, the fucking paraglider, and tons and tons of more things you can do and see in the game. The only problems i have are how the random npc conversations sound completely inhuman, how incredibly weak ranged weapons are, and also the fact that theres still no FOV slider. You can turn off motion blur though, so im still pretty happy
Weak ranged weapons? You must not have gone Peacekeeper then. That crossbow is nasty.
@@SunnyGaming3710 yeah probably not, i didnt really like crossbows
"Its not my job to make your game fun" is how I felt playing GOW 2018. It doesn't matter what hidden tricks or advanced combat mechanics etc the game has when I was able to get through the majority of the game on hard mode just by button mashing R1 and R2 in random combinations, and using the same runic attacks without experimenting much.
It reminds me of your video on how good games push you into their systems, one of my favourites from you so far.
And it's not that the originals are super well balanced. But at least the give you a bunch of attacks to experiment with from the beginning instead of just hack and dodge for hours. Plus the xp system with combos.
The hades spell in God of war1 and the atlas spell in God of war 2 are so op that when I watch playthroughs of the games they defeat the final bosses of each game by spamming them .
@@underthemayo word
I disagree with the fact that it's on the game to make you play it an interesting way. You can play DOOM in a boring way. Did you watch the journalist play Doom Eternal pre-release? Lowest difficulty, not using any of the fun mechanics, just doing the bare minimum.
Fighting zombies was the most fun I had in Dying Light because the gore system and the weapon impacts were so satisfying. In Doom Eternal, you don't ever need to use the hook from the double barrel shotgun, but you still end up using it.. Why? Same argument goes for Titanfall 2's wallrun. I played through the game normally, then I saw a review saying what you said - the game doesn't incentivize you to wallrun and no point doing so. Really? I used it a lot, and there are sections when they are a must too. I don't really understand some of your criticisms.
It's simple. Some people like Blue and others think Blue is a shitty color. Subjectivity for the win.
I think it boils down to whether you like the appearance of the game. Personally I might have loved open world games if they looked more like The Elden Ring but they usually look like a family photo, so if I play them the intended way I feel something is missing, and if I try to fill what's missing then I'm playing the wrong game. Thumper is a game where I wouldn't have enjoyed the gameplay one bit, except it looks so awesome that I played it in the intended way
I don't need you to constantly make comparisons to Doom Eternal in order for me to understand your points. And when your points are bad, it just makes them worse.
And yes, it IS on the game to at least make an effort to make the fun way equal success. Challenge matters.
@ZeroTacTIX You can play Doom Eternal in a boring way, you cannot continually succeed in Doom Eternal (especially in the later levels) playing boring. Subtle difference, but it matters. if you choose normal difficulty the game will kill you if you don't engage with the systems. Why use the meathook? Because the game gives you obvious big picture benefits to doing so, not just because it's fun but because it's effective to use it. Same goes for all the systems in Eternal, the game is difficult so that you're incentivized to play in an enjoyable way. Most players will end up playing on normal, and when you compare Doom Eternal hurt me plenty to Dying Light normal your argument falls apart completely.
Mayo played on normal difficulty, he experimented with a bunch of different systems, and he discovered that there's no reason to play well in Dying Light because punishments are minimal and rewards are meaningless because all combat can be avoided. Imagine if you could walk past all the encounters in Doom Eternal, all combat encounters are completely optional now. The game would be worse because it's not pushing you into the fun systems they made. Would you blame the players for not fighting the demons if the game was designed like that, or would you blame the designers for not pushing you into the combat?
It's totally fine if you enjoyed the game regardless, but this point is not a good hill to die on. Watch Mayo's Challenge Matters video for a more in-depth summary of what I'm already saying.
@@underthemayo I don't see a legit argument from you this time around Mayo. I'm simply using Doom as an example since you know Doom the best.
Doom Eternal's shotgun hook is completely optional, but you use it all the same, and it IS possible to play Doom Eternal in a boring way without using most of the mechanics you use.
As for the game using some effort, how is it NOT? The zombie killing has never been so satisfactory in any other game, the gore system, and the impact is amazing. And you don't get to run away from zombies in many occasions and many missions.
Also, running away from zombies is *also* fun because they have an amazing parkour system in place? Running away is the more ideal solution since the game is trying to be immersive and doesn't want you to go all Zombie-slayer.. It wants you to be a survivor! You get more ammo for your guns near the end, and there is a lot more killing you have to do. If you think the game would never amp up, then I don't know what to tell you..
Just a heads up - Dying Light starts off like a survivor's game, and ends with more action. As for the challenge matters statement, erm.... DL on Normal is harder than Doom 2016 on Ultra Violence, and definitely harder than D.E on Hurt Me Plenty. Perhaps, you should've played DL on Hard?
Dying light is the only game thats held my attention long enough for me to actually go in and 100% it. I think the only reason for that is just because I actually have a lot of fun travelling in the game.
some of the story missions were really fun but ya the side missions were only engaging for me for how absurd some of the side characters were
im at 93% right now, do you know if i have to get any collectibles to get to 100%?
@@sotiris168 Idk I never really looked for collectibles but the only thing to do in my save file is the daily bounty stuff and it shows 100% for me so maybe I just got them all by accident or they aren't counted to the 100%
Pretty much gameplay makes up for story. I can just hop on and start dropkicking zombies, running around the map with NH boosters, driving for hours in the countryside and not get bored, especially with the insane amount of items they've added in the past years.
Last time I fell for somebody's "It gets better later" argument, I was dragged into Guild Wars 2 by a buddy, spent between 50 and 100 hours levelling a character to level 80 because I was told all the things I find interesting really start at max level, so I reach it and the character still felt like garbage to play, which I reported to my buddy who, after telling me it gets better at level so and so every time I complained prior to reaching 80, now told me that it's going to get better when I grind to get some of those specialization skills and passives and masteries. Needless to say, I regretted ever trusting them in that regard.
I can listen to this guy talk about what his favorite sandwich is and I’d still listen to it while at work
We need a subsriber milestone vid with this subject being the topic of discussion.
I gave this game 3 hours and sold it. I had many of the same gripes you did. The opening was slow, and I stopped caring about the characters and the crafting after the 2 hour mark. Ultimately, it just didn’t have the basis of a fun experience for my preferences. Always appreciate your take, Mayo!
The whole 10 hours thing is exactly what people said about rdr2 when it came out. I'm glad someone else has the same opinion on that bs.
RDR2 was such a disappointment. It doesn't even get better it gets worse. One of the worst parts of the game is near the end.
@@aramondehasashi3324 yeah I got the deluxe edition on my birthday a couple weeks after it came out and I couldn't believe I payed 90$ on a game I played for a little under 8 hours. Shit was so boring.
You might like Dead Cells. It’s a fantastic roguelite with very snappy, and responsive combat and movement, and a really interesting way of scaling difficulty.
I love dead cells
@@underthemayo will you make a video explaining your thoughts on it? 4 of my friends and I played it over different periods of time and have common complaint, that being the grind system.
Personally I played it 1-2 years ago and stopped after 2 bc just because I thought the core gameplay loop wasn't strong enough. The idea of constantly changing weapons that may play very differently with higher rarity/lvl/synergies be able to output decent damage, as you progressed through the levels, that very idea is probably my biggest gripe with the game aside from the grind. Curious to hear your thoughts.
I understand your points.
I completed DL campaign like 5 times. The first time I was playing for the story, the second time I was trying to complete it as fast as possible, and then I was just messing around.
And after that I discovered modding. I was able to mod the game so that I had all EXP trees unlocked completely from the start, I could get infinite money using a duplication glitch, then I got the best gear in the game (Semi auto shotgun, the best machette modified with the best upgrades in the game and some craftable bombs). I also modded my running speed and jump height, so that parkour was no longer a problem and ramped up the dropkick force multiplier and voila, I got a save file where I'm basically playing doom, dropkicking zombies into outer space and making volatiles wish they never spawned.
TLDR: I started enjoying the game properly only after I modded it to hell and back. That's in no saying "hey you played it wrong", not at all. No hate towards you for not liking the game, just sharing my experience with the game.
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
Fanboy edit: Thanks for the heart
As someone who has beaten Dying Light at least 6 times, and has almost nothing but good things to say about it, It's really good to see a very different perspective on this game, other than my one. it made me think about certain aspects of the differently, and I really appreciate that. I've noticed we have WAY different opinions about games, (for the most part) and you'd think that it would make me dislike you. It is quite the opposite!
I've seen some of your vids before, but I never really thought much of them, (probably because I was younger and got salty because you didn't like a game I liked lol) until I saw this one. I'm definitely subscribing, and I'm gonna check out some more of your content!
Thanks Miracle Whip Man!
i loved dying light. it was a game that kept me in for a loooong time. i had a wonderful time with it
Factorio is a game entirely about crafting, where every system in the game depends on it. Many modern games just tape on a crafting system for what feels like no reason other than an obligation to do so.
I personally adore Dying Light 1, despite its faults, and I thought it might be interesting for some if I explained why. My aim isn't to convince anyone who didn't enjoy the game to change their mind, but rather to articulate my enjoyment for myself and for those who haven't played the game but might consider doing so in the future. Here goes:
1. Dying Light was one of the first few open world games I played, meaning that I wasn't yet hypersensitized to DESPISE the "generic open world" model of looting, crafting, fetch quests etc. I think the only open world games I'd played before were some of the Bethesda ones (Fallout 3 and NV, as well as Skyrim), and though they have a similar element of repetitiveness and mindlessness, it isn't as overt as in most newer open world games. Dying Light 1 isn't as abysmal as some, however.
2. First-person parkour is exceedingly rare to find in games, in a functional state at least, and Dying Light was my first experience with it. It's still my favorite implementation, so far.
3. First-person hack-and-slashers are exceedingly rare as well, and though Dying Light's combat is clunky and unpredictable, it still managed to get me my "fix." Somehow the unpredictability and opaque damage system enhanced the experience for me. I think the fact that I could never count on things going to plan made the game more tense and survival-horror-esque.
4. Dying Light was my first experience with the "zombie sandbox" and I think it's still probably the best ever created. Unfortunately for Mayo, the best elements of this-such as the vehicles of The Following (DLC), massively overpowered weapons that send enemies (literally) flying, easter egg weapons and items, etc.-are not super accessible in the amount of time he spent with the game. I don't blame him for giving up on it, and I think his distaste for the "it gets good at hour 40" response is absolutely legitimate, but that doesn't change the fact that the game has a long arc of player progression-one that a lot of players enjoy.
5. Some of the best side missions aren't available until the late game or in The Following. Many of the fetch quests, though mechanically asinine, are actually kind of hilarious (thinking of the alcohol one in particular). Some are even easter eggs.
6. Playing with friends is a COMPLETELY different experience! If all you're looking for is a fun romp in which to make the most of the game's absurd mechanics, or if you want to take on the most difficult challenges (Bozak Horde at low level, Harran Prison, Night Hunter Invasions, etc.), playing with friends is an absolute MUST! There are (or were, when I played) a fair amount of super high level players-or just plain hackers (one cannot really cheat, as it's primarily a co-op/singleplayer game, and I never encountered pvp cheating)-that can show new players just how fundamentally the game transforms over time, and take them on adventures they'd otherwise not have.
7. Dying Light, being heavy on the horror elements, but quite light on the actual horror, was how I got introduced-to/comfortable-with the horror genre.
8. The graphics are very scalable, meaning that high-end rigs can crank them up for a significant visual treat, and people with medium-low rigs like me can still experience the game with decent looking visuals and high framerates.
9. The story, though mind-shittingly (just invented that term, I quite like it) stupid, does a fairly good job of placing the player in cool, scary, and cinematic situations. Some that I can think of right away include: the school, some of the scarier tunnels, the massive tower with the rainstorm, the Volatile Nest bombing sequence, Rais' pit escape, and the mission where you blow a frowny face out of the side of a building.
10. The Following is probably the best non-standalone DLC ever made for any game, ever. Or, at the very least the best I've encountered. It's basically a miniature sequel.
11. Mayo was misled regarding night activity. Yes, it is true that one of the rewards the game explicitly tells you about is higher XP, but there are quite a few missions, side and story alike, that cannot be completed during the day. Additionally, there is a huge arc in terms of how the night is experienced by the player. The first night is pure survival horror. Night by the 100 hour mark (not an exact figure, I'm just trying to say that it takes a LONG time), is a zombie fiesta just like the rest of the game, only now it's Volatiles that are getting demolished by the player rather than Biters or Virals. Taking on the most powerful enemies in the game toe-to-toe, after running from them for so long, is incredibly satisfying. Additionally, night in The Following operates very differently with the sparse landscape and motorized buggies.
12. The regular content updates, though most are utterly meaningless, give the game a sense of constant upkeep and care that very few other games have.
13. The Bozak Horde is divisive. A lot of people dislike it. I ADORE it. It isn't even worth attempting until you've maxed Crane's skill trees, but once he's powerful enough it turns into its own separate game. It's a roguelite-esque adventure inside of Dying Light, and though it takes lots of practice (and failure) to get the hang of it, once you can consistently survival to the final arena, it becomes unbelievably exhilarating.
14. Best ragdoll zombies. Simple as that.
15. Tons of easter eggs, some of which are developer exploits that can really shake up the game, especially in the early hours. Replayability is enhanced by the inclusion of these.
16. New Game + that can actually be meaningful, particularly if you increase the difficulty to Nightmare, which was added as an update a while after launch and is absolutely brutal.
17. Though the crafting system is dumb, the weapons that can be constructed are badass to epic proportions. You haven't experienced Dying Light until you've simultaneously electrocuted, ignited, and launched a zombie off a rooftop.
I'm sure there are plenty of other things I'm forgetting that made this game so special for me. It would be fun if I got a conversation going. In case that happens, I'd like to repeat that Mayo's criticisms are 100% legitimate, and I do not aim to undermine them, merely to add that there is also a whole heap of wonderful stuff in Dying Light, packaged in such a way as to make it a truly unique experience. It'll be interesting to see what changes are made in Dying Light 2.
Dying Light is a game I have been playing for years now. But I still remember that first start.
That weak, slow Crane with junk weapons out in a dangerous world, and I loved it.
I made it my mission to get better.
Not just to level up and get better gear, but to hone my skills in this type of gameplay.
The breakable weapon system made me treasure them, so I always used my weakest one.
Some skills made no sense to me, so I didn't use them.
I learned the map, understood the enemies, and after hundreds of hours, I finally got what I wanted.
At that point, I was a walking death dealer.
A single swing was all it took to kill multiple biters. I used the crossbow when I wanted to go silent, or the engraved shotgun when I wanted to get up close and personal with the volatiles. Day or night did not matter much.
I enjoyed the whole journey and I also enjoyed being the Grim Reaper for the undead.
But of course I can see why you may not like it either. Year is already 2023, I guess it was 2022 when this video was made.
Every year the graphics get better and the games get more realistic.
For someone who never played it before, Dying Light might look too ugly to play today.
But the first time I played it, it felt beautiful.
The map that you called uninteresting and just brown everywhere was breathtaking.
I especially liked looking at the map from a high point at sunset.
The night chases were scary and adrenaline filled. It made it so much more fun to finally kill one of those bastards.
However, yes. It is not everyone's cup of tea.
For the issue of the map being "brown", there's two open world maps in Dying Light. The 2nd map is veeeeeery different from the first
Yeah but both are pretty repetitive in their styles
@@PointlesslyNecessaryConvos I mean it is a city... But even then just the huge distinction between maps is good enough. There aren't many games from back then that were more diverse, especially not with such a focus on high quality gameplay.
There is 3 actually counting the following
@@j751 Wasn't talking about dlc
I honestly think you shouldn't put a game away forever after (just) 10 hours, unless you're having a really miserable time. In 10 hours I finished DOOM eternal without ever using more than 3 weapons and I thought it was alright, maybe a 7/10. Now that I have played it a shit ton and seen everything it has to offer, it's my favorite game of all time.
The same with Dark Souls, Sekiro and cuphead, but maybe that is just because I have way too much free time
He's not a fan of open world survival games in general. I don't see how he'll ever enjoy these type of games. Its matter of taste. Not wrong with that.
The difference is, you beat DE in 10 hours general engaging with its systems and thought it was good enough to want to play it more and see what else it had to offer. That is NOT the experience I had with DL.
I feel like the disconnect here is in how you generally prefer games which, per your Mario 64 video, force you into their own version of Eternal's 'fun zone.' You don't want a game that allows you to play in this freeform way; you seem to prefer being funneled quickly into a sort of tightly controlled Pavlovian gameplay loop. And I get that, that's generally what I prefer as well. But I think a game like this is best enjoyed at a leisurely pace, and with the understanding that you get out of it what you put into it. Yeah, you can avoid night missions (for example), but they're super challenging and the XP you get absolutely does become a boon as you encounter more powerful enemies and missions later in the game - especially if you're playing with the difficulty cranked, which you should. For games like this or Assassin's Creed or The Witcher, a big part of the experience is the stories you create as you interact with the world and attain more skills. It's pretty nice in Dying Light when you get powerful enough to mow through powerful zombies without missing a beat, if you're just looking to be funneled into the fun zone, you're not really going to stick around long enough to get the payoff.
Dying Light is a super slow burn even for an open-world game, but there is actually a pretty impressive variety of locales and the latter half of the game takes places in a totally different area - not to mention the country setting of the DLC. But it's a game that asks a lot of initiative of its players, and that's not for everyone.
Man he just hates all games, every video is like that
Couldn't agree more. I've got over 200 hours in the game and that came mostly from a recent playthrough where I decided to hold off doing most of the story and just grind. I got to legend level 80-something before even getting to old town. That's because grinding, or farming as other people might say....is sooooo fun in this game. I would literally just go to infamy bridge and clear EVERYTHING. There wasn't too much skill to it but hell it was fun. That being said, when it turns into night the whole experience is sooo much more difficult. Being on the bridge with volatiles running around everywhere, switching to UV lights, to flares to fireacrakers....all whilst grappling frantically from car to car is an experience I will NEVER forget....But yes, the game doesn't force you to do that...so what? It's fun and engaging to do. I voluntarily play on nightmare to give myself a challenge so I will voluntarily do all sorts of crazy stuff at night. I remember playing coop with a friend and it was always a running joke that whenever we were about to do a side mission, I would always trick him into going to sleep first to wait for night and make the experience so much more challenging. Just because you have to seak out the challenge sometimes does not make it a bad game. Maybe bad game design but everything is there for a fantastic and engaging experience and that at least deserves some credit.
Some great points made here. Nowadays I really admire games that aim to get you playing as soon as possible. But I'm still able to enjoy games such as Red Dead 2 for example if I'm willing to just let myself be immersed. For me, Red Dead 2 is a game that offers so much rich detail and atmosphere, that I can't help but be drawn into it.
@@monolith6161 seriously. Guy plays the some of the greatest games in recent history and hates every one of them. Titanfall? Shit. Dying Light? Shit. Like he didnt even make it to old town
@@benjamindibb2538 Exactly that. DMC, God of War, Resident evil, Halo , etc. Everything is shit, literally unplayable for him. I don't get it. If this continues ill probably unsub. I understand criticism but you can't hate every game that's out there.
Christ this man dislikes anything that isn’t Doom eternal
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@@underthemayo dude what's your point you criticize like 90% of the games in this playlist
Dying light is very much like just cause. Great mobility, lots of toys to play around with and lots of ridiculous ways to dick around in the sandbox but very repetitive in how the world, quests, enemies, etc are designed.
P. S try project zomboid ;)
I'm having a blast with just cause 4 !
@@thewanderingartists haven't played that one yet but just cause 3 was a lot of fun. There's something to be said about just how enjoyable a game can be just by fine tuning its mobility systems.
+1 on project zomboid. I feel like he’d actually like that one
@@bruhder5854 from the reviews I was convinced that JC 4 was boring but when I played it and got the tethers I've probably spent over 40 hours experimenting with tethers 😂 I do miss the lightning gun and wingsuit from JC3 but I couldn't go back to JC 4 after playing JC4 the tether system is great !
Appreciate ya giving this a shot and reporting back, anyway! I just got around to playing this a few months ago myself and am currently on The Following, and I absolutely fucking love this game. I've got around 80 hours put into it right now. The gameplay loop in the base game just hooked me in unlike damn near anything else ever has, and the story actually grew on me up to The Pit where I reached peak adoration due to the downright ridiculous nature of the narrative as a whole. The Following improved on the main games plot by leaps but likely still won't make it worth checking out if the main game didn't click. Considering the games you enjoy as shown on your channel I can totally get how this might not interest you. You don't need to play over 10 hours for sure, you put in more than enough time to know for sure lol. I personally enjoy games like Dying Light where you become stronger as you play to the point of being the biggest threat in any situation.
Another note, it seems a lot of your issues are a product of how you ended up playing. Not that you’re playing wrong, just something I noticed. You felt weak and underpowered early game, which is a fair criticism but you also recklessly died and didn’t care about the survivor points. The penalty of death was different than most games, you get the cool skills and become stronger as you play carefully and gain experience. It seemed to me that those two issues you had of the penalty of death and the underpowered feeling bled into each other.
Regardless, I don’t think you’ll like the game and I’m not asking for you to play another 10 hours to decide. Go out and play games you love, play new games you’re interested in etc. Even with this in mind I just don’t think you’ll vibe with what it is considering your tastes. I appreciate you giving it a shot though Mayo!
I think if it didn't have prodeus style checkpoints and I actually had to replay the mission when I died, I would have found more engaging ways to play.
@Under The Mayo To be fair you were self aware of the it and decided to keep playing that way regardless, so that's kinda on you even if the game allowed it
@@ChristopherCubbage It's not my job to make the game fun.
@@underthemayo Well, it is your job to entertain yourself, but I guess that's to hard also
@@ChristopherCubbage This argumemt is stupid, if a game lets you cheese an enemy or a system then thats on the game cause people are gonna do it. No one said you can't enjoy the game. I for one like minecraft due to the abilty to be creative with how you play but find dying light boring for the same espically have to keep weapons repared, like sunset overdrive seems way more fum to me than dying light with better movement and with actual punishment for losing and reward for playing well. Dying light rewards you for playing better but does not punish you in any way for losing, and no not giving a player a reward is not a punishment since they won't know what they are missing
Poor mayo, cursed to forever be disappointed by modern gaming.
I hated the first few hours of Dying Light but if you stick it out it becomes WAY BETTER. Once you upgrade some skills and get better weapons the game becomes more fun because you don't have hit an enemy 25 times before they die. But I agree the npc's are glorified mannequins.
Well he's certainty not going to play another 10-30 hours of this game, and thats fine.
You have the right to stop playing a game if you don't like it.
I think that the best way to have fun in dying light is downloading a endgame savefile and then playing cuz story isnt good, parkour is fun and combat gets better once you unlock more skills
Dying Light is one of my favorites of all time but I knew you weren't going to like it. A big reason for me loving it so much was that it was all that I had as a kid, so I had nothing better to do than do everything in it.
Doom Eternal is also very repetitive 🤷
@@doomslayer9513 No it's not.
@@jaroslavpohoral1897 It is. It's not a bad thing for a game to be repetitive if the gameplay loop is so good.
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Good side quests are key. The gameplay of The Witcher 3 is really nothing special, but the side quests always sucked me in and it's a lot of fun uncovering what sorts of new weird and unique monsters lie in that next cave or dungeon.
Witcher 3 is special better than most games.
@@nik774 I don't think it's the GOAT that many make it out to be, but it is quite good.
Fallout New Vegas also has some best sidequests.
@@fuckso2342 Witcher 3 is better than FNV in that regard easily. Way better writing and storytelling, regardless of graphics and character modeling. But FNV is still better than most.
8:33 I've found that I don't enjoy the core gameplay loops of traditional open world games like Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Far Cry. Scavenging and crafting in gameplay doesn't appeal to me when the story isn't enough to pick up the slack, but the one open world game that i greatly enjoyed was Sunset Overdrive, because of the wacky premise, the ridiculous story, the gunplay and crazy arsenal, and the unique traversal mechanics.
Same thoughts on Dying Light 1, couldn't get into it. I recently picked up Dying LIght 2 and LOVE it. My expectations were low due to all the "meh" reviews with bugs etc and my experience with the first one, but really enjoying it seems like a completely different game.
Well I was thinking about getting Dying Light 2 recently but I’ll wait for the poor optimization of the console ports to get fixed
It looks like a step up
Tbh it’s been fairly stable for me, maybe I’m lucky …
@@chasescooper What are you playing on?
Yes, i saw the same thing happen with Doom, some people didn't like Doom 2016 but they loved Doom Eternal. At the time Dying Light 1 seemed to me a very impressive game for an indie game but with its flaws, and Dying Light 2 already feels like a solid and consistent game, for me it is what Dying Light 1 should have been.
You need to play My Friend Pedro, Minecraft, and black ops 2 zombies with friends.
Try Dying Light 2, that game is basically what Dying Light 1 should have been in the first place. The first game feels like a lot of good experimental ideas but implemented in a not very consistent way. In fact Dying light 1 and 2 reminds me of Doom and what Hugo Martin said in his interview with noclip "Doom Eternal destroys Doom 2016, you won't be able to go back to Doom 2016 after playing Eternal". That's how I feel with Dying light 2, I don't think I'll play the first one again for a long time, maybe never. I used to play a lot of Dying light 1 (I got to legend level 239) until Doom Eternal came in 2020 and over time i realized how heavy, inconsistent, unpleasant and sometimes garbage the first game could be and trust me that Dying Light 2 it's nothing like that. Actually the first game has a facade at the beginning of what it tries or wants to be but it doesn't achieve it and ends up being much simpler, which the second does achieve (not all but mostly) things like immersion of the night or the dark zones (something super repetitive in the first one full of only volatiles 😴), the combat that is very limited and unintuitive in the first one too (the 2nd also fixes that). Anyway, I played the first game too much because I loved the concept even though it wasn't a very good game while the 2nd already feels like a good solid game in my opinion, therefore I thought you should give Dying Light 2 a try.
I just bought dying light 2 and its sooo freaking good im thinking about getting dying light 1 or should I not?
@@stylesick4ever Dying Light 1 is better than the second one
I cannot wait for “Everyone told me to play ULTRAKILL”
Uktrakill was reviewed last October.
I am VERY interested to hear your thoughts on the recently released Sifu. The game is quite unforgiving and definitely has a "you either play the way we want you to play, or you won't make it to the end" approach to its design. So who knows, maybe you might like it (although the camera can be a pain in the ass, ngl).
Also, consider a game called Furi, another uncompromising indie action game (sorry for the abundance of suggestions, I am just trying to make the best out of a comment).
All the best anyway!
I second the Furi suggestion. I played it last year on a whim and it ended up being one of my favorite games of all time.
Furi was a real surprise for me, too. I'm not typically someone into boss rush style games, but Furi just had a real energy to it that was amazing. Plus the game has a pretty dope soundtrack which I still listen to occasionally.
Mayo will love sifu, I can already tell
If it isnt doom, under the mayo will shit on it.
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he just likes specific types of games...
I see a thing happening that you repeat again and again. When there is fun to be had in the gameplay, but it is not directly pushed by the game itself via necessity, you get turned off by that and stop there. You did that with Titanfall 2, Ghostrunner and now in Dying Light aswell. There are cool movement systems to vibe with and enjoy, that also have plenty of skills to improve in. For example now in Dying Light, I found it rather enjoyable that the objectives often are on the other side of the map, that gives me an excuse to vibe with the parkour and maybe come across unexpected things along the way.
As a different example: Titanfall 2s campaign is rather boring in my opinion, I played it 2-3 times and thats it, the multiplayer is also rather boring if you play it like a wannabe cod. If you though put in a bit of effort into the movement mechanics, test out some weapons and learn what we in the context of your channel might call the titanfall dance, then you will notice that's its very rewarding, slick, skillful and creative. Because of that, I have and still am putting in hundreds of hours into that game and still learn things to this day while having an absolute blast. Is all that fancy movement tech necessary when looking at the campaign? No, it's even disadvantageous on higher difficulties. Is it necessary against new players in the multiplayer? No, you'll be fine just running on the ground with the occasional wallrun. Is it necessary against veterans? Absolutely, if you touch the ground you're dead, if you slow down your dead, if you're not slingshotting, strafing and bouncing around corners and rooftops you're dead. But you only find that out after having patience with the game and putting some time in, even though it doesn't make sense in the beginning.
Don't always expect the game to deliver all the fun to you, try and meet it halfway and see if you maybe get pulled into the world of the game.
At the end of the day, that's just my take though and not everyone has the same opinion, taste and preferences and that's OK. Whilst I tend to disagree with you on some games you don't enjoy, I very much so agreed with your takes on the doom franchise and got sucked into the franchise because of you, which I'm very grateful for. So don't take the criticism to heart, you do you champ.😉
I liked Ghostrunner though. One of my favorite games of 2020.
@@underthemayo oh damn forreal? I must've forgot that. I guess I'm in a habit of thinking you don't like the games I like.😆 But yeah, ghostrunner is great, I am thinking about downloading it again.
The thing is, that king of fun makes no sense for a challenge based player like mayo. Sure you may grind tens of hours getting good at titanfall's movement, but without a challenge to force you into that kind of mastery, what's the point ?
Meanwhile in doom eternal, the game forces you to use all your tools, so you have to get good at it if you want to do anything. This way, the act of getting good finds meaning.
@@placeadrien5566 well, in context of titanfall, it is necessary for going up against seasoned players
@@placeadrien5566 but yeah, I see your point
The first mistake was everyone telling you to play the side quest they all suck honestly all of them are fetch quest
This dude just hates everything, huh?
Yeah, I hate the 13 games named in my Best of 2021 list too.
The "chore" experience is generally relatable with one exception: I personally found some kind of zen relaxation in a simple parkour, avoiding combat for as much as possible and just running around from one point to another. The overall world design might be _visually_ boring, but with some investment in the Agility skills it opens up quite a complex pathfinding with its _geometric_ layout.
There are still a few games whch nailed that core gameplay much better, in particular both chapters of Mirror's Edge, but DL still can provide that very specific experience.
I felt the same way. It just felt like a slog with sub par melee combat. Nothing felt solid in that game and it felt like everything had the weight of air in a plastic bag.
agreed!
I love this channel, that ending rhyme had me rolling
You should try Metro Exodus!
I just recently played it for the first time (it was my first experience with a Metro game) and I loved it.
The world design is top notch, it has amazing atmosphere and immersion, and the gunplay and weapon customization is very satisfying.
It has a bit of a crafting element, but there are only 2 crafting materials, and everything is made from a combination of those, so it's very simple, but still worth scavenging to your heart's content (especially in the early game). The story is mostly predictable, the characters are sweet, but the gameplay is what really hooked me. It's like a tactical fps with some lite-survival aspects (managing ammo/health packs and scavenging enemies/areas).
I'll add that it took me 20 hours to finish the game. I went out of my way to explore a few times (if I was low on resources and saw a place that peaked my interest) and did maybe 2 side quests.
I'll also recommend playing the game on Hardcore difficulty. It supposedly emphasizes the importance of managing your ammo and stuff, which for me was a big part of the experience, so it's hard for me to imagine playing on easier than that (but no shame to anyone who does)
You fucked up by not playing the other games in order!
And yes, Metro is always meant to be played on the hardest difficulty. Otherwise supplies are abundant and it's just an FPS shooter.
I never use full auto in those games. Always tap fire.
@@Theviewerdude I looked into the other Metro games and honestly they just didn't look like something I'd personally like. I did watch a few videos to catch up on the story tho. They seem cool, I see the appeal, they're just not for me
@@Speeff if you liked Exodus you'll like the others. It's the same game just worse graphics and not an open world. The mechanics are pretty similar too.
Which is actually a major plus it isn't open world. If you liked the last area of the game (I forget the city, when it is winter again), or if you liked the bunker or tunnel with the spiders in the desert and forest map, then you'll love the other games. You're missing out.
They're also dirt cheap and small file sizes.
@@Theviewerdude I liked those levels, but because they were nice breaks from the open world. I might get them after playing Exodus' DLCs. I usually don't like games that are 100% linear levels from beginning to end, but there are exceptions to that and the first 2 metro games might be exceptions. We shall see.
Thanks for the recommendation :)
If you’re willing to play a slow methodical game with great mechanics try the HITMAN games
I hope you get to review Deep Rock galactic someday because I honestly don't think I have ever seen a shooter this fun and with this much identity since Doom eternal. And with more gameplay diversity.
Throw a cracker, let the zombies gather around it. Then throw a molotov. In dying light, you barely get guns. Even if you do, you'll run out of ammo. If you get ammo, you'll run out of money. It's all about escaping, setting up traps for the zombies and managing your resources effectively. You mostly get melee weapons and they become blunt after a while. You need to repair them. You need to keep a lookout for drops and also you need to visit the quarantined zones where you'll get a good loot but the area will be challenging. You'll start to like it more the more you play it. But sometimes you may feel bored or despaired.
It is an amazing game that you also liked
I’ve watched several videos about Dying Light 1 specifically. Mainly ones about the story and characters vs. the mechanics it offers. I’ve really began to realize that, yeah, it has a rather forgettable story that you don’t really read into that much. It’s mostly fetch quests and running around forcing you to make your own fun out of it. I like that and I don’t. I personally really like the game. At the same time I can really see why a lot of people don’t like it.
Mayo gotta be one of the best on the platform.
I'm genuinely happy to see how genuine and true to yourself you can be man. I personally loved Dying Light and had lots of fun with it, because I'm doing parkour IRL and had lots of fun with the different mechanics. But gotta agree and respect many of the points you made in this video.
Once again, you're giving us a pure gem of a video. Love the straightforward message, don't need to waste your time if you're not enjoying the game, that's it. Even more if you already have extremely busy weeks.
Keep it up man, been there for two years now, and not missing a single upload. ❤
"I'm not looking to deliver Ethel's necklace to her grandson" 😆
This is certainly a divisive video. I personally give Dying Light a 8/10. I really enjoyed it despite some clear flaws of some characters being uninteresting and some sections (there are dream sections, and I fucking hate when a game or movie have those), but most of the game's systems were really fun to me. I liked the combat and it even ramps up the more you play and get good weapons like Katanas. The movement and parkour feels awesome and gets better when you get upgrades. As always, your criticism gives an important view of games that just receive a lot of praise. Not every game will satisfy anyone.
So far fans of the game have been understanding of my view on it, which is very cool. And hopefully the video was entertaining enough to not just sound super negative and like a downer.
“Put it outside with Abel, where it’s cold and raining” 😂😂
A game you should try is Psychonauts 2
It's not Doom Eternal
Kinda funny considering a lot of people don't like healthbars on Dying Light 2 and some of the hud for being too in your face and not being good with immersion.
Can't you disable the lifebars though?
@@underthemayo you can ... which is why its no longer being talked about as a negative.
I would consider DL's crafting to be pretty barebone, so one must really have an adversity for it to decide to dodge it, which clearly ends up messing up with the combat. Since you got shitty weapons instead of awesome ones, the combat is tedious instead of quick and brutal and you don't get to the second half of the game with all these awesome horror side quests and the grappling hook. It's true that the game takes a while to open up, but dismissing core elements of the gameplay obviously comes at a cost. You would have probably appreciated The Following more than the base game
great video mayo! i could listen to you talk about anything, keep em comin!
…I think survival horror is just not your thing…it happens…I for instance can’t stand GTA single player…I find it childish and pretty boring….but hey the world LOVES IT…
lol imagine telling ME that survival horror isn't my thing
LMAO
he plays resident evil, cry of fear, alisa and others. All survival horror.
I think there are a few memorable side missions here. Like the mass suicide on the rooftop, Gazi, secret alcoholics' party, military base across the bridge... but yeah, VERY few.
I haven't played DL, but It is kinda of weird hearing you say "It's not my job to make your game fun if you make the boring work" when you clearly have the radical opposite opinion about Doom.
Doom 2016 it's also a totally valid criticism. Doom Eternal, it's not.
I've beaten dying light twice and I actually agree with all of your criticisms... right up until around 8:15. Yeah technically you're right, it isn't your job to make the game fun but surely you have an incentive to play the game in a fun way if the option is available to you, no?
You can approach the gameplay of dying light in a few different ways, you chose a way that you found to be tedious and then rather than listen to people tell you about more fun ways to play it you make it out as if its bad game design to not force you to play in the "fun way" rather than let people play how they want. (I guess to prove the point that if you play games in an exasperating fashion games are exasperating.)
It comes off to me as failing to meet the game at its own level.
It's the checkpoint system. No tactics or smart play are necessary because the enemies you killed stay dead after you die. There's no need to actually plan a strategy and survive a full mission. If there were, I guarantee you I would have had more fun. I would have cared about resource management. I would have cared about investing in better weapons.
This is why I like your channel and content, you don't mince words and you don't give shit you don't like anymore time than it deserves, because the series is called "everyone told me to play" it means you're not obligated to beat said game they want you to play and you don't force yourself to play the game to the end, if anything that only enhances your opinion more if do play til the end.
10 hours is being generous, I usually give myself 2-5 hours, I am an adult and don't have time to sit at home all day.
If you're gonna ignore the combat, It's no wonder you are bored lol.
Even Doom be boring if you don't play it as it intended.
I guess you just wanted to have a bad time.
Cope
Dude cant keep that same energy after the challenge matters vid
As a dying light fan, I gotta agree with a lot of this. Nice video mayo, and as soon as I heard Abel at the end I got a big smile on my face.
Damn, you really made this game experience the worst you could. And no one is at fault but yourself for it. Finding a game to be boring and bad while ignoring some core mechanics of it is a recepy for not enjoying a game, and you did it on purpose LOL
Cope
I love hearing you rant. This series is my favorite series on your channel.
(Well the post MK part of your channel)
im with you on this mayo, the crafting was tedious and i could never find the right materials. the story generic with boring characters. the combat just felt off and boring, and the progression seemed pointless
I was told by a friend who really liked this game that they actually redesigned the progression to take -longer- than in the vanilla game with The Following expansion. The progression was also one of my main gripes with the game as well. I put almost 30 hours in and by the time I beat the main story I never really felt like my character had gotten much better. Personally I would have enjoyed the game far more if the progression and item degradation system was significantly reduced. But I understand that it's one of the main draws for people.
One of my memories of the game is getting a legitimate real life sword from a museum and it doing less damage than a makeshift axe I had, and breaking in like 15 hits - and that was sort of when I just said "okay, whatever." And beat the game just so I could have closure on it.
I think crafting gets cumbersome when it doesnt immediately feel like a welcome solution to a problem.
Like its throwing all the quiz answers at you first and expecting you'll forget later when the test comes.
A game has to sorta establish the need first then hint how you can improvise your way out, or use a tool in more than one way.
I love Doom Eternal and I love Dying Light - in an odd way I find your view to be more neutral and objective than Cynic because he's a huge fan; he loves DL like you love Doom Eternal. I don't agree with all your points but I do see where you are coming from with a lot of them. Don't worry about people not agreeing with you; one of the reasons I love your channel is your unfettered total honesty! Different strokes for differenr folks right?👍
It's definately a game that takes its time. DL2 made some improvements with the crafting system and the parkour, but tbh it's a game that either you fall in love with because of its parkour or you get bored and start to hate it. Very hit or miss, but when i started exploring the more whacky ridiculous side of the game i fell in love with it. The Following is definately better than the main campaign as well. It's a mixed bag, but it's got a lot to offer if you have the patience for it. It makes sense many people don't. I started playing when I was just burned out with MP shooters and it was exactly what I needed.
I had the exact same experience with this game, especially the crafting part
I genuinely thought I was like the only person who didn't like this game
"How my deception for Resident Evil 8 RUINED my talent to rhyme"
Sometimes a game simply isn't for everyone's tastes.
THAT SAID, I suspect there are some issues in how you think the game is supposed to work, and there are issues with this "I'm not supposed to make your game fun" mentality.
The whole issue with weapons being shitty and impossible to kill zombies early on is intentional. That is the point. You are supposed to use your parkour to complete missions. If you have to kill zombies in your way, you have to use the environment or supplies to your advantage. Downed electrical line in a puddle? Turn on the breaker and kick the zombie in the water. Push them into spikes. Kick them off a building. Use a molotov. Throw a firecracker at an exploding barrel. These things are conveniently placed wherever you find hordes. Did you ever use one?
If absolutely nothing is around you, then you have to resort to bludgeoning them to death and running out of breath several times in the process. But if you play smart, those situations are quite limited, until you level up to handle it better.
If you were able to just mow down hordes of zombies then there's never any reason to do anything but that and the game becomes immediately stale and unchallenging.
As you level up, you unlock abilities that allow an instakill with the right set up. Land on a zombie from a height, stun it when it tries to grab you and hit a finisher, get behind it and snap its neck... eventually get a bow that kills most normal zombies in 1-2 arrows to the head. As you chain these together, the combat becomes really unique and fun. Not like other melee games where it's "press A enough times to win". There's such a strong sense of progression built into it as you're not only unlocking new abilities, but you're actually learning how to best use them and the world around you.
If you go into every engagement just trying to senselessly beat zombies to death, not caring about dying, and just constantly coming back until the same brain dead strategy eventually works, then yeah you'll get pretty bored. That's like using nothing but the starting shotgun on doom eternal, and getting annoyed when you keep running out of ammo.
The fun is in figuring out how to navigate the challenge, using all resources at your disposal, struggling to stay alive, running when necessary, and levelling up, unlocking new abilities, and becoming faster.
Of course it isn't your job to make a game fun if you're not enjoying it. But consider, games are created with a certain playstyle being the 'intended' way to play. The entire game will be crafted around this idea, fleshing out the system, while other potential ways to play, that were not intended, will be ignored, especially if they contradict. Such as, being some superhuman zombie slaughtering machine, and a very human survivor that is vulnerable.
Developers usually do not explicitly tell you how to play but instead provide hints and environmental suggestions. Such as, making zombies really difficult to kill early on, but leaving tons of traps laying around, and teaching you how to craft firecrackers. What is the game telling you there? Mindlessly bash heads, or use your environment and avoid conflicts?
Most players pick up on these without noticing. Others don't get it and keep trying to play the 'wrong' way. No matter how well a game pushes you towards the intended playstyle, some people simply won't get it without some sort of higher faculties trying to figure out the most fun way to play.
So yeah, you're under no obligation to MAKE a game fun. But do you absolutely need everything spoon fed to you? Remember when you were a kid and you were able to entertain yourself with absolutely anything using your imagination? Wouldn't you find enjoyment much easier, if you learned and put effort into finding the best way to enjoy something?
How many great things are you missing out on by not making the effort?
Also the weapon crafting system is pretty pointless. You can ignore it and it won't affect your gameplay.
Most of the weapon mods are weak, there's only like 3 worth actually using that provide a reasonable damage boost. The orange ones basically. The rest are mostly fun for the critical effects of sending a zombie flying or lighting them on fire.
And if you're playing the game correctly, the damage boost only becomes relevant late game anyways, as you won't be trying to swing your way through hordes until about then.
They could have removed 90% of the weapon mods and it would function the same.
Crafting should mainly be reserved for consumables like explosives, firecrackers, molotovs, elemental throwing stars, and ammo for arrows.
Last thing that I posted elsewhere that belongs here:
I hated Witcher 3 when I first tried it. Barely made it past White Orchard. Left a bad review, was super disappointed, didn't understand the hype. Try it again later and I've put over 100 hours into it, now one of my favorites of all time.
That's because when I first went into it, I was wanting and expecting some elaborate melee combat game. But it's not, the combat is pretty basic and sometimes clunky. The main appeals are the story and role playing elements, where it is completely unmatched. Also with a good character building and progression system, with tons of freedom to create unique playstyles.
If I had just stuck with my initial view and never tried it again, I would have missed out on over 100 hrs of enjoyable content. Which I'm still not done with, as I'll revisit it for a 3rd playthrough soon.
I mainly played dying light mainly because of the parkour and once you get the really good upgrades for combat, the combat gets really good
I'm with you, Mayo. I've been trying to find other games to enjoy besides Doom Eternal and can't. Every game is some version of walk around and pick items up and craft more crap. It's disappointing.
Give project Warlock a try for more classic FPS feel. Others game I recommend is Vanquish,
Play Dusk
Streets of rage 4.
@@fuckso2342 I did play Dusk and thought it was good. It just didn't grab me, but very good game.
@@underthemayo Yeah, I need to give that one a shot. Looks like a solid Beatem Up with a good amount of depth.
It seems like this generation is so easy to please. You can make a shitty copy paste games year after year and people will still buy it. It's a sad state of affair when it comes to games especially if you've grown up in the 90s. Just shit after shit after shit year after year after year.
7:13 sounds like you not having fun with it IS on you. You say you wanted to get into the meat of the game but actively avoided a big part of it, lol.
Should I ask him to try Sunset Overdrive?
Yeah why not, try Sunset Overdrive.
Mayo wtf bro
My favorite comment, as if he just snuck up on you and punched you in the mouth
@@danielbrovender2932 feels like it XD
You don't get it. That's fine. If you want to prove others opion wrong out of spite you will.
Bro you should stop playing these kinds of games. you say you don't like player-controlled cameras, pretty much everything in the modern era has player controlled cameras. you say you don't like fantasy-style games then stop playing fantasy-style games. I've been watching your channel for quite a long time now, and it seems to me that the only type of games you like are classic survival horror games, first person shooters and classic hack and slash action adventure style games however, even games from the modern era that still aim to appease people who like those kind of games arent enough. (You run away from games that throw info and mechanics at you. Or games that have parry based systems because you suck. We all suck at first just try and give it time) you still don't give them a fair chance because you either don't want to spend time learning the game and it's systems properly or you want the game to specifically be like another game. (Not every game is gonna be ninja gaiden, god of war, doom, or resident evil) they are all your opinions yes I get that however, it's to the point where you are literally playing games you know you won't like. If the game has good gameplay and ideas, you hate the aesthetic. If the game has both good gameplay and aesthetic, you hate the camera or side mechanics.If the game has all three, the style or theme isn't your taste or you think there's too much exposition. If you don't want to try and expand your tastes bro it's time to stop buying games people recommend or hell stop buying most modern games and wait for something to catch your eye. Im a person who believes modern games are nothing compared to the classics but not everything is bad. You just have very specific taste and that's okay. But your tastes are far too specific for you to really enjoy anything from the modern era and I think it's time you accepted that .dying light isn't the greatest and I'm not a fan boy of the series at all. In fact I agree with a lot of things you said. But these types of games aren't your style. I think you should stick to games by specific development studios or stick to indie games. They have more of what you are wanting and if there's nothing out or coming out just keep playing the old games. You want an extremely specific kind of game and keeping those preferences and biases without stepping away from them a little bit and embracing something new is just gonna hurt your experience as a gamer. You played devil may cry 5 And wasn't too positive about it so in my mind I'm like well try the older ones? They have the fixed camera, (talking about dmc 1-3) the combat the exploration but then you've said you don't like the themes and level design. liked the gameplay and hated the aesthetic so there goes that. You gotta be willing to try new things and put biases and preferences aside man. It is the only way a gamer is gonna spend their money well now.
Dude I just put out a Best Of 2021 video with 13 games I just played and they're all very different. AND, as stated in this video, I enjoy taking recommendations for games that I may not enjoy because I like seeing something different and trying to understand what other people like. Yeah I didn't like sekiro but I'm really happy that I got to play it because now I know what OTHER people like about it. So you don't need to come here telling me what to play or not play or how you think my mind works.
@@underthemayo dude it goes without question you know for a fact what you like and don't like about certain games but u constantly have to defend yourself in comments and videos. why? because as stated before u keep playing games you most likely already know u wont enjoy. so why do it? you say you see what people like about these games but you still ultimately don't like them. so you're constantly being at odds with different gaming fanbases when all u gotta do is only play games u are sure have things you like and tolerate. you get these recommendations cuz every game you play you end up hating or crapping on. so people try and recommend games they think you may have a different opinion on. you know yourself. play something you like. or talk about something you like. its not gonna hurt to do that. maybe to your views sure because varying opinions generate clicks and views but come on man. im not here to crap on you. i like your content but you're clearly at a dilemma with the gaming industry and its clear you see no hope in it getting better.
@@underthemayo My point is that your level of enjoyment is dwindled because you're constantly holding on to things you liked about other games. Instead of seeing that game for the things that it does well. for example I don't like Destiny or looter shooters in general So I don't play them. Put it like this. How many of these games are you actually going to revisit? Are they worth a second or third playthrough? Did you get your moneys worth? You gotta stop holding on to things from other games and just play a game with a fresh mindset. That is all I'm saying. I'm not upset that you don't like dying light. I don't even think it's that great of a game. I actually think it's quite overrated. I don't even care that you dislike sekiro. I don't like Sekiro. ive been thinking about telling you this for awhile and I just decided to do it today. You couldn't give a crap less, I know. But this is what comment sections are for. I'm just commenting as a fan, nothing more. I want everyone to enjoy Games and get along. If that means not playing something because you know you won't like it, that's OK.
@@underthemayo and to correct you. You put best and worst. Of 2021. not best. Best annnnd worst. you said you don't like crafting systems and stat management so why play games where those are key components? you started this video saying you knew how people were gonna react so instead of doing the same song and dance how about doing research on these games before buying them? I'm not a hater. I'm just trying to lend some advice. take it 0r not its up to you. but if you want to play games you enjoy you would do that and seek them out. I'm just trying to share a perspective dude.
@@RheaLynnSummers I talk in the comments because I enjoy it, and because I'm baffled by people's misunderstandings and misrepresentations. Like here, you're quoting me as having said "I keep playing games I know I won't enjoy", implying that I'm constantly doing this, and that's not what I said at all. Most games I play, I find myself enjoying more or less. I was simply stating something that happens sometimes, and then I go on to explain why I value the experience. I am very glad that I played Dying Light because now I know the game that some of my friends and viewers really love. It doesn't matter that I didn't like it.
AND, this is my job. Playing and talking about games, whether I like them or not, encourages channel growth and is just part of the identity of my channel. Get over it. It's amazing that I have people telling me "you only like one kind of game" while also criticizing me for even making the attempt at trying something new when I just end up not liking it. I will not be taking your advice of "just play what you know you'll like" because if I did that, I wouldn't have discovered some of my all time favorite titles.
I do NOT end up hating everything. My Best Of list far outweighs by Worst of list. I talk about plenty of things I like. I'm working on a video about Slay The Spire, one of my favorite games. And your dishonesty about "it's not gonna hurt to talk about something you like," is mindblowing considering I JUST did a video gushing over Alisa.
I am in no dilemma. I'm still playing games I enjoy. I'll continue to criticize titles that I think are going in the wrong directions, especially in franchises I love. I'll continue to take recommendations, finding new games to like and dislike. I enjoy the work.
Playing a few hours of Dying Light 2 made me feel it was lackluster compared to Dying Light 1's atmosphere and overall gameplay. It does look really nice and the environment is less rundown shacks and sheet metal roofs but there's something that doesn't quite feel right.
Firstly, they seem to go with a more cinematic approach, such as when in the first game you have the first night mission, you end up trying to survive by running away from the super zombies while the horde screams behind you and you are alone. In DL2 you have to follow a glitching NPC who is at times slower than you so you have to also wait for him to make it forward before you can really do anything yourself. It was a major disappointment.
Secondly, there's the stamina meter that is now also part of the parkour mechanic from which I had major flashbacks to Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness' "awesome" climbing and RPG mechanics about your climbing stamina. You know, those climbing areas where your stamina is just not quite enough to make the last stretch and you have to come back after finding some stamina boost or upgrade. And I'd rather just have free climb because that is more fun than constantly eyeing the stamina meter while also having to make split-second decisions about whether to climb the wall up and right or up and left to make it to the top.
Thirdly, they really fucked up the sound effect and impact of the spike traps. In DL1 when you shove or kick a zombie into a spice trap you get this loud, metallic SCHLINK! and it's really satisfying seeing the zombie in these mangled poses stuck in the spikes. In DL2 you hardly hear anything, sometimes literally there's no sound effect and when there is, it is this lame version that doesn't really have any impact. And the zombies don't get stuck to the fence in these dynamic poses but most of the time they just dangle, ragdoll there from the point that first touched the spike itself (which is usually the pelvis area leaving them hunched over and dangling). Super unimpressive and unimpactful.
Also, the netcode for coop is so poor that enemies teleport around and zombies sometimes spawn behind you into an empty room you've already dealt with.
Try GTFO. Great coop game 👍
it's so hard man
i'm playing it with only one friend and since two years we never made it past the second floor
lots of fun though
@@UltraNorac It's definitely hard but they added checkpoints awhile ago (sparse but helps a lot), along with more weapons that change things up. Bosses are some of the coolest shit. Highly recommend you revisit it 👍
@@bruhder5854 I will!
I completely agree! I bought the game only because of its coop option. Playing with friends was fun-ish, but even then I found it boring when I had to go to scavenge and craft stuff, it wasn't fun, it wasn't engaging and everything broke very easily. Not to mention a lot of stuff is random so you have to search for rubber and other stuff just by praying to RNG. The characters were also very uninteresting. You didn't get that far to where you have to the possibility to get the graplinghook, but once you get it the parkour is mostly not worth doing.
I don't know if you'll see this comment, given that the video is pretty old, however I would recommend that you should play Nier:Automata and see what you think about it. Whether you'll enjoy it or not, I'd would like to see your take on it :D
Mayo? Quit listening to these lame gamers. Dying Light is mediocre and criminally OVERRATED. ALWAYS HAS BEEN🤣
I think that a game which allows you to play '' in a boring way '' or in a fun way is already something good. Because it let the choice to the players to take risks or not IF they like the game and wish to challenge themselves a little more.
It's like playing Crysis in easy mode and stopping every few seconds to wait for the energy to come back so you ca be invisible all the way ( which won't work in higher difficulty)... You CAN do it, but you can dig further into it and have mad fun