Cosmetic is NOT Optional for Many Players | OW2 Hot Takes #43
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Cosmetics are absolutely optional and anybody who says differently is being dramatic. That being said something was lost in gaming as a whole when we began monetizing skins as opposed to having them be locked behind in-game achievements.
Yeah, but this also allows for awesome skins that normally wouldn’t be in the unblockables. Like the cool colabs or new mythics. But that being said, yes 100% skins are absolutely optional, a lot of the baseline skins are dope already.
Well considering the lack of other content to make cosmetics optional I disagree with you. But I agree with the last half of your statement
Coming into OW2 I had most of the skins in the game. Now I’ve taken a different approach. Unlike in OW where I wanted even Torb or Sym skins even though I don’t play them, now I just try to go for skins that actually look cool for heroes I actually use.
Agree with the first half but the second half is where you are applying it, if you mean games that have a full game price tag on them then yes (jrpgs do this a lot) but if you mean like live service then that is normal cause the games tend to be free on base and need someway to make income which tend to be skins/season passes etc (league/fortnite/overwatch). Of course I'm excluding how much they wanna monetize cause some games go overbored in prices of skins.
i dont think thats what that hot take meant, they meant that SOME people dont see them as optional as they are obsessed with cosmetics, not that they arent optional at all.
Hot take: Brig would have been much easier to balance on release if shield bash and whipshot had opposite effects. Whipshot being a stun wouldn’t have been as frustrating since it’s a smaller hit box and an actual skill shot, and shield bash as a knock back still would have been a great tool against dive without being super oppressive like her original stun was. Plus, it just makes more sense that throwing your entire weight and hitting someone with a giant shield would push them away, and knocking someone over the head with a flail would daze them.
The biggest issue with Brig wasnt that stuff though. Yes the stun was part of it, but it was her healing, and ult that were the issue. Though I'm not big on the ranged stun part, it being a skillshot wouldn't have made everything else easier to balance. Her ult still gave non fading, stacking armor. She still didn't huge ape passive healing, and all of this before role queue was a thing.
As an open queue quick play player, it kinda sucks that all balancing is based solely on competitive role queue.
Hot take: most the community confuses how annoying a character is, to how hard they are. A lot of characters are incredibly annoying but aren't as easy to pick up as people believe, junk, pharah, orisa, sombra, roadhog, zarya and even some more obvious characters like ball, most hitscan, zen that are obviously not easy to pick up but ive seen a insane amount of hate for them and how hard they are to play
I cant play new Pharah for crap lol
She was my main dps in OW1
@@jfp4life its hard, im a junk main n i hate playing against her but ill never deny the fact that shes pretty difficult to just pick up
i dont disagree with this take but the examples are bad. pharah gets a ridiculous amount of free value without having any skill just by spamming chokes. kinda same for junk but at least he has to account for his arc and bounces rather than just shooting a straight shot giant explosive from ridiculously far away
@@kingmoosh2004 I feel like i can somewhat understand this but god it is incredibly easy to realistically counter a pharah, especially in high elo, only time where its not is if its pharmercy, but mercy is garbage anyways so thats not as big of a problem. I feel like complaints about spamming down chokes with either junk any other characters r just kinda useless, realistically its a niche playstyle and in high elo doesnt get enough value on its own, its usually only used to stomp low elo bc they dont know how to move out of the way of junk shots or how to focus down a flying pharah
Any argument that says Orisa is hard to play is very difficult to take seriously. Only Mauga is more brain-dead among tanks.
Hot Take: The Devs should make an entire season dedicated to the Overwatch 2 Heroes (everyone from Sojourn to Juno), where everything in the Battlepass and Shop (or at least just the Battlepass) would be purely for the new Heroes introduced during Overwatch 2.
Hot take: Dva and Roadhog should have a visual representation of when their resources are low.
Dva should have lower ranges when matrix is low.
Hot Take: Soldier is one of the hardest characters in the game currently. Although he is a track and click hitscan which is a simple and easy kit, with how easy his damage can be negated (Moira Fade, Ana Nade, etc.) Soldier is rarely able to output enough damage quickly enough to fight against those abilities or fight against players being healed. Majority of dps being used can output way bigger chunks of damage compared to soldier. (Hanzo,Sojourn,Widow,Cass,Tracer,etc.)
You need to master helix rockets. :) With 70% accuracy on helix rockets - you can secure kills easily.
@@MrBrock314 You're definitely right, but that's only close range encounters. Any long range encounter is completely different. There are a few instances where a ricochet'd helix could secure a longer distance kill. But most of the time players are constantly escaping with 1hp at far ranges.
@@boylikerhelix the ground they're walking on
15:12 if you actually want to play Moira at a high level you can’t just do that, you have to think about maximizing your damage and healing with bouncing, predicting where the enemy will retreat, etc. that’s the whole point of that post
Hot Take - Stop telling people to leave VC and “focus on themselves” in ranked!!
I’ve seen a lot of content creators and streamers get questions about people wanting advice for ranked play and dealing with toxicity. The usual response is to say: “Just leave VC and focus on yourself. Team play really doesn’t matter until the high ranks so just focus on your own gameplay and tune everyone out.”
I think this advice is doing a lot of damage to the quality of lower ranked games. There’s so much less cooperation, nobody is in voice, and the SECOND anyone gets criticized, asked to swap, or etc., they take it as “toxicity” and then just tune everyone out or generally start being difficult.
Can’t people just try to work as a team? How much toxicity are people encountering that the recommendation now is to just shut off VC? I’m tired of all my recent ranked games having no one in voice for hearing callouts, and the response when asked to join voice is some variation of: “No, fuck you. :)”
It's the people asking people to swap that are often the problem. It's as likely they're the source as not. Bronze people can hardly be trusted in either direction to know what is "best".
okay but you never answered the question that content creators and streamers are getting about how to avoid and deal with toxicity.
the fact you're blaming them instead of the game designers and devs is insane.
also low ranked games never had people in vc lol
@@Darrakkii Huh? It’s not blaming them for toxicity, it’s a matter of saying that their advice has made ranked games worse in a vain attempt to avoid toxicity.
There used to be way more in voice. I’ve gotten back into ranked after playing a lot in early-mid OW1 and the difference is striking. No one in voice nearly 75% of the time.
Hot take: Characters people say are bad like genji and doom are actually really strong in the right hands and its just the people complaining are sitting on the skill floor
Cosmetics are optional. I'm not gonna accept the premise that you "need" a skin because that's how we create early fortnite economies where having no skin was something to be ridiculed.
That being said, yes cosmetics being paid content and virtually never being in game unlocks is embarrassing. Cosmetics sales should disproportionately go to paying the team artists. They deserve it and I'll gladly pay more in skins if I know the people working on it receive proper compensation or even crediting.
6:53 i don’t think you understood the take. When there is no realistic way to unlock skins without paying, then there is no progression for some players. For some people, playing for the sake of playing or improving, is not enough.
I don’t feel accomplished after buying a skin from the store. But i did when i saved up credits all year for a zen skin in ow1.
And yes, there are many free skins. But i have all of those from ow1
I’m the definition of a quick play warrior. Start every match by saying “ily all” and no matter the responses or how frustrated I get mid match I never feel like telling my team it’s their fault
So I disagree with cosmetics affecting the game. It may not affect gameplay, but not being able to earn them like we once did affects the mental of the game. Especially on a more casual level. Say you're a casual playing quick play and you're having a miserable time, but at the end of the game you get a lootbox because you still leveled up and ended up pulling that one skin you were chasing. That's huge and can keep you playing.
Tbh Ults being countered by Cooldowns is the dumbest thing OW has ever done, the only character that should counter CC with a Cooldown is Reaper
I feel like they could do a bunch of good by removing indefinite/automatic stealth from Sombra. Imo it does not fit into OW and makes her much harder to balance
Can confirm the QP take. Been playing since Overwatch 1... I dont force comp. And I still enjoy playing this game.
I queue comp to do my dailies and weeklies. There will be at least 15 matches a week where I won’t play my top 3 heroes. I can’t be the only one. So I agree with that hot take.
hot take: If you lose your game it is not your teammates' fault. If you think like that it is because you do not admit your mistakes and automatically block your progress. Even if one of your teammates is really in a rank above what he should be you must be in a state of mind of "what more can I do to compensate for the difference in level of your teammate". It is only in this state of mind that we can move forward.
Console player here, I've never struggled with Sombra, even when I play a support that may not be able to properly defend themselves against a Sombra. THAT BEING SAID, Sombra is my most played DPS hero so I might be an outlier because I am aware of the playstyle.
Hot take: Lucio could technically 1v1 any dps and support character no matter the map
imo every support can do this
Hot take: there is no actual legal reason not to not give out lootboxes. Even the strictest countries only prohibited selling them. The fact that unlocking most legacy cosmetics now would take 52+ years in insanity and insulting for people that invest any time into the game. Its not necessary for this game to be financially successful to be this stingy with gameplay rewards.
I got every original OW cosmetic from lootboxes without spending a cent beyond the price of the original game, just by playing Overwatch as my primary game. Once duplicate protection was added, they were the fairest lootboxes in all of gaming.
@@HegeRoberto amen
money is a reason
@@GiveMeTheRice agreed, but its not a legal reason as they claim through every media. They didn't HAD to remove the randomized rewards, they just WANTED to.
@@HegeRoberto they have to make money legally for their shareholders, and there was talk about lootboxes having some legal action taken against them. even if they can still technically allowed rn, better safe than sorry
100% agree with the PvE hot take i didn't care when they announced it and i didn't care when the cancelled it. The PvP game is the game i like and have always liked. I think the PvEs only upside was to attract more casual players to the game and monetize them lol.
You started cooking with that mmo thing. I played the hero mastery multiplayer until I got good enough to complete the legendary without dying. If i can do it, anyone can. It just takes practice.
It doesn't matter what skin you have equipped, the gameplay will always be the same. This is why I have the OW 2 default equipped for all heroes.
The only cosmetics I do have equipped are voicelines... for obvious reasons.
What's the reason?
@@e3vL1 spamming them e.g. And they say chivalry is dead.
@@billyr2904 ie. being annoying until someone mutes you....sigh.
I play sombra on console and yea, I only really play her on open queue. I'd feel guilty hard picking her in role q, just a miserable playstyle for most supports and many dps to deal with. Still swap to her against widows tho, Fuck widow.
If you play with skins you like, you will play better. Scientifically proven.
13:18 deeprock galactic has longevity
Hot take: Console should be able to crossplay in ranked as an opt-in, but doing so would disable aim assist
honestly this could work, it would just put the console player at a severe disadvantage in a competitive environment
@@marcosrodriguez.9753 I think controller aim just has terrible implementation in most fps games. Overwatch at least has very good tuning for deadzones and acceleration speeds, but is missing a crucial element which I've only seen in one game: A 180 button. Being able to hit a button to instant 180 is actually huge for controller and isn't really as unhealthy as something like rapid trigger keyboards, since you'd still have to make another flick adjustment with the joystick after doing a 180
Yes sombra sucks on console but perma invis is a problem
Brig stun????
Ah, bro just doesnt know what a hot take is
Hot take: QP is for serious gameplay only. You should use QP for practice and trying different strategies prior to competitive. Causal players and “quickplay warriors” not playing qp as such should play arcade.
“I said what I said.”
Hot take: KarQ is completely misunderstanding what a "hot take" is by ranking whether or not he agrees with a take as it being hot or not. That's not what a take being hot means!
I thought the same for months
A hot take is an unpopular opinion. If his opinions are felt by most of the player base then that is a good metric to judge it.
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@@Dovakinskywalkeru can't say that "most of the fanbase" agree or at the very least have similar sentiments without some form of statistic. It's not a good metric. It's a flawed one
@@ace2311 luckily being scientifically accurate has no impact whatsoever, and it's just a video about discussing players ideas and how the streamer feels about them
8:05 hot take: people grinding OW out of their minds and complaining nonstop about the game need to take a break and just *stop* thinking about overwatch for a while. And I mean weeks/months. I'm a tried and true qp warrior and can confirm that yes, I still really enjoy the game! I have about 220 hours in competitive and have hit grandmaster on support, competed in OWCS (karq + friends stomped my team tho lol), but compared to my 1700 hours in qp, 200 comp hours is pretty insignificant. I play the game because I have fun; if it's not fun I stop playing for a while and come back a few weeks/a month later, whenever I get the itch to play again. duo with a friend and come up with some ridiculous strategies to try to execute in a match. make that cheesy flank play just for fun. even if you die. laugh about it. If you "hate" the game, try playing OW in more moderation and maybe you'll find yourself in my shoes having fun again :) stay silly, fellow qp warriors 🫡
Hot take - QP isn't for fun - vs. AI is for fun.
@@MrBrock314I think you and I both know that's bait lol
6:48 So here's the problem with dailies: If a DPS player gets something like "win 3 games as tank" as a daily, they're playing tank out of *obligation* rather than enjoyment. They want to knock out their 3 tank games as fast as humanly possible so they can get back to having fun. Losing sucks normally, but that's OK if you were enjoying yourself and playing to have fun. Losing a game you're playing out of obligation doubly sucks because you've "wasted" the time it took to play the last match doing something you fundamentally don't enjoy because the game is dangling a carrot in your face. OF COURSE this makes people in quick play sweatier and more toxic, they don't actually want to be there... and with the tank population in the state that it's in chances are that this is the position your tank is in when you get into quick play!
well you only need 3 dailies for all rewards and i'd say you can achieve those 3 most often on your main role
it’s not always console players complaining about sombra, sombra is problematic in lower rank in general. but she’s fine for the top 5% of players so she’s “balanced”
Her CDs are way too short imo, it is way too easy for a sombra to get out, and she can engage too frequently
Sombra requires teamwork to beat. Supports have to peel for eachother and dps/everyone have to pressure sombra back.
@@mickeyboy90 and there’s virtually no actual team work, awareness, and/or peel in metal ranks. which is why she controls lobbies. my point still stands
@@AthenasWrath22 i wasn’t arguing with u. I was saying its harder when ur teammates don’t help and aren’t as aware.
If i were arguing i’d say maybe actually play the meta hero’s like bap/kiri/lucio/brig instead of mercy moira ana illiari.
You usually have to communicate to your team when you need help and give them time to help you (dont fall over instantly) (or duo w ur other support/a dps and tell them when you need help)
And maybe just learn how to play around a sombra by listening for her audio or guessing where she is likely to come out of invis from, play near cover and be selfish with your defensive cooldowns instead of wasting them to “save” ur team.
@@AthenasWrath22 to be fair sombra is a horribly designed character with boring counterplay: dont waste cooldowns, dont get 2v1’d, don’t be solo.
Perma invis shouldnt ever have been a thing.
You can 1v1 sombra on any good support and should be mentally prepared at all times to try to kill her if she engages on you. Because she is also a metal rank player and probably also makes mistakes too.
@@mickeyboy90 yeah that was kind of my point overall. i’ve heard from every top 500/GM player that sombra isn’t a problem and don’t think she needs to be changed. but perma invis is constant value for just existing, and trans-locator and hack are on way too short of a cooldown
Hot take: Scoreboard stats should be hidden in Quick Play until after the match (in replays) and doing so would help fix how toxic/sweaty QP has become. Allow people to just have fun or learn new heroes without their performance being constantly judged.
Likely feels sweaty because your qp mmr is near your ranked (maybe higher)
Scoreboard feels worse in comp when people are taking it more seriously and sees it only as individual performances and not a collective effort.
Only value scoreboard have for me is a defence from being flamed.
Better to hide it in all modes and have it be a surprise at the end of the match and see how many flamers have to retract their complaints.
Honestly this whole video feels really out of touch. Karq and many of his viewers have been playing this game for years, which means they likely have a ton of cosmetics. I think that there is no incentive for new players to join this game. In OW1 you got a loot box everytime you level up and got free and cool stuff. He is Basically telling those that want cool stuff that paying for it is better than which is lame imo. Telling people to “go play Roblox” is not gonna grow the game you “love”. Really out of touch with what makes games great. Expected better from you.
The PvE point is basically pointless because the actual PvE they announced back in 2019 would've been way different than those three missions they released.
Hot Take: People having "mains" in overwatch (and as an extension games in general) is far less common than it is made out to be. Overwatch is a game that is all about variety, and everyone I know who plays it have multiple favorite characters to play as across every role.
Ok but realistically even people who play a variety of characters are going to have one that they play more often than others. That's what a main is.
The first thing you ask when you find out that someone plays overwatch, who do you play.
I main Sombra and Ashe for Damage, but I play multiple heroes in the role.
Same with supports. I can play almost all supports effectively, but I main Ana.
You can main a hero but also be able to flex to other heroes when needed.
If the ratio between your #1 most-played hero and #2 most-played hero isn't a fraction less than 1.5, you have a main.
Most people I know have a ratio of like 2:1 or 5:1 or 10:1 from their #1 to #2 hero. That's a main by definition.
Hot take: The quick play ban situation is dumb; why would you punish people for wanting to simply warm up or playing casually and leaving the game? Especially if it affects you ability to queue for ranked
Because you're ruining it for 4 other people. Honestly, it should be extended to vs. AI.
A 4 v 5 match is inherently one-sided meaning that the game people intended to play is not the one they're getting because of you. They didn't sign up for 4 v 5.
If you want to full on goof around, do it with friends in a custom game where everyone signed up for it.
There's a difference between not going meta in qp and not trying. Not trying is not fun for the other people in the game. If you want to not try, do it in a custom game where people know that's what they're signing up for.
Hot take: you don't play AI mode enough.
I understand it's AI, but as someone who never liked overwatch to start, AI has help me get into and start understanding the more simple Overwatch basics. No it doesn't help against the potential Unpredictably of real players but it gives you muscle memory and some basic positioning knowledge.
I think people underestimate how many people actually play AI. It's a lot. I've played probably 1000 hours of AI and I met the same people like maybe 50 times. It's a large queue base.
I think people underestimate the strength of FOMO, especially on people who used to have almost complete collections of Overwatch 1 skins.
You should be able to control yourself especially if you can’t afford it. That would be like asking stores to not sell products when you’re broke cause they’re tempting you too hard. You’re own inability to not be financially responsible is not anyone else’s problem.
@@SocialExperiment232 It's everyone's problem. Especially since Blizzard insisted they needed to move to 5v5 (which half the community seems to hate) in a supposed sequel with the justification that it would have robust PVE soo all this was necessary, which then got cancelled, which defeats the entire purpose of all these changes apart from giving them an excuse to implement the hyper-predatory money store.
"Oh just don't buy it." Then why the hell are you still playing this game? 90 percent of the appeal is the cool-looking-shit. You must be absolutely miserable if you're just playing the game and spending no money on it whatsoever.
@@Xiatter 90% of the appeal of a fun, fast paced hero shooter with 50 characters for you is the skins?!?!?Then you’re not a gamer you’re a frustrated fashion designer. Unlike you I can actually afford to spend 15-20 bucks every now and then. If spending a few bucks here and there would put you into ruin you need to be looking for a better job not playing games. Not everyone wants 6v6. Plenty of people hated double tanks and would never want that back but dramatic ow players think they’re the only opinion in the world. You yourself said half which is not true but even if it was you’re basically saying only the half that agrees with you matters and the other one doesn’t lol. I’m pretty sure most people prefer 5v5 and it will only take a few days for people to realize once they try it out.
@@Xiatter hahahaha 90% of the appeal is the skins?!?!?! You’re not a gamer. You’re a frustrated fashion designer. Pardon me but I play video games for the video games. Not the characters outfits 😭🤣😭🤣
@@SocialExperiment232 So you do buy the skins. So you enjoy spending half what Overwatch 1 cost on one thing that mostly other people will see, apart from your hands and maybe your gun? You don't see the issue here?
Or are you just simpling harder for Blizzard than even I, someone who still enjoys the game itself, do?
I didn't say I can't afford the skins. But you defending them going from free if you earned them to almost $10 for something as basic as a recolor is a really fucking silly look if you think about it for two Seconds. Every skin they sell ought to allow is to recolor it however we like. Many RPGs do it AS A FEATURE.
lego bastion maestro sigma etc should have their events return. i have them personally but people really like those skins and preventing people from getting them because there event ended is annoying for them. - hot take
I think I missed the lego bastion by just a few months as I got the game in early 2020. I would love to see the events come back. especially for the sigma skin, which I have, as its one of sigmas only good skins
For those saying the PvE was not fun, it would be fun if we have skill trees and being able to upgrade our heroes. Look at tf2’s MvM. It has upgrade stations, you can do different builds, and you get big cosmetic rewards after finishing.
Hot take: Metal players should all one trick (or 2 character at max). 9/10 times you're at low elo because you suck at either: CD usage, positioning, target priority, reading your oponents/the flow of the match or awareness. All skills that are harder to learn if you don't have a solid understanding of you're character. You will maybe lose more games on the short term, but you will learn a LOT from it.
onetricking Ball is the only reason I've achieved a higher understanding of the game. My timing, trigger discipline, game sense, and map knowledge has skyrocketed compared to where i was a couple years back from one tricking hampter. I literally got hackusated on Ball yesterday because I anticipated where a Sombra would be and boop one-clipped her out of stealth
honestly a lot metal ranks have been stuck there for years, its not a lack of understanding of characters holding them back, its their personal skill level hitting their own skill ceiling, some people just dont have the capability to get that high and thats okay.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen someone swap heroes to something they obviously can't play because it's a counter, or good for a particular map. It's the player not the pick.
@@Subzerd For me in support role, I've gotten to diamond multiple times then they do rank resets and they always toss me back in gold. I've even had bronze players in my games when I was plat for example. I just think the ranking system kind of sucks and it's caused me to not care over the years. I obviously try when I'm in a game but there's no way to climb imo. Even my friend who is way newer to the game has fluctuated between bronze, silver, and gold.
@@Subzerdeveryone can reach diamond, if you don’t reach diamond it’s because you aren’t trying. Everyone can be a 7 you just have to try for it.
Hot take: if you're a competitive player you should hold your expectations about your teammates. Especially in lower ranks they WILL make mistakes and it's up to you to take this in consideration while planning your moves
I agree, especially when you solo-queue. You can’t control how other people use their mouse+keyboard/controller, so focus on what you can personally control about the match, and make the best of your situation
7:30 the problem is there are a lot of players (myself included) who don’t have a lot of time each week to play, but want to maximize our experience when we are playing. The weekly challenges all pretty much say that you get double progression for winning games. So if I want to get as much battle pass XP in as little time as possible then I need to be playing in such a way that gets through as many weekly challenges as possible in every game. That means that if I don’t really put in effort into QP games then I have to play twice as many of them to complete the challenges. And if I play comp then depending on what game mode I get the games themselves take 2-3 times longer than a QP game. If they just cut the number of games required in half then removed the “double progress for wins” then it would completely eliminate the urge to be sweaty in QP.
I think in general, people SHOULD be sweaty in QP. You signed up for a 5 v 5 fight - take it seriously. I'm not saying champion meta seriously, but every character should be playing to win. If not, don't sign up. Go play custom games.
Anyone that says the PVE wasn't fun doesn't understand that the PvE we got wasn't the PvE we were promised. If Blizzard paid the employees that were working on it, we would have gotten a better PvE
I wouldn't say the lack of fun was due to the devs not being paid for their work (though with how Blizzard is known for treating their employees, I wouldn't be surprised if they were being underpaid).
However, a lot of the really interesting features, like ability reworks (which are slowly being reused in limited time gamemodes like April fools) were already developed. I'd say PvE we got wasn't interesting because a huge majority of the interesting components got scrapped, or the staff (artists, lead narrative designers) got laid off, meaning it never had much of a chance to get any better.
The 3 missions we got were finished aaaaages ago and were only a tiny sliver of what was to actually come
@@pebl7735 The 3 missions we got were pale shadows of what we were promised as a whole. Blizzy made everyone that was working come back from working from home, fired anyone that didn't, these were employees that were going to deliver the entirety of the PvE we were being promised, without them to finish it, their work was chopped up and frankenstined into the small droplets of Events and missions we were given instead. If those that were working on it were left to their own devices, we would have been given the PvE we were promised. What we got was garbage because it was unfinished, so anyone saying it was ass never got to see what it was supposed to be. Anyone saying that what we got was bad, so it's good we never got more, is ignoring the fact that we would have gotten better if Blizzy didn't destroy the team working on it, either by not paying them enough or firing them or by diverting manpower to elsewhere for whatever reason. It was bad because it wasn't finished or tended to by the ones that were working in it.
PvE can be fun - but you have to ask PvE players. KarQ and most of the people in this forum are pvpers. Ask the 1000 hour vs. ai person if they would replay a PvE scenario and I'm sure you'll get a different answer. Especially if it had its own leveling system (like they promised).
@@MrBrock314 Nothing wrong with your statement, but you're only looking at it from the perspective of what we got and what we usually got, short, limited time missions that you do one or two things for a scenario, not an entire game designed with more expansive things like we were promised. The PvP players would have different opinions if what we got was better and closer to what was promised, but that's a side of the bridge we will never get to see. I just wish people understood that just because what we got was garbage, doesn't mean what we were promised, what people like me still want, would have been much better. Again tho, that's not something that we are going to get, I just want more respect on the idea of what we wanted, what we were promised.
Cosmetics are one of the biggest draws of Overwatch. The art team carries them, not the balance team or devs. The rate at which you earn skins for playing the game is way too low. Ow1 had it right with the lootboxes. Ow2 is designed to take away time from you living your real life and give you pretty much nothing unless you pay. I can’t believe people just accept that as the norm and actually argue that it’s ok, karQ…
I wish people understood that some people don't care for grinding ranked and the only thing left to work for are skins. If you took ranked mode away, a lot of players would say there's nothing left to do in the game. Well, if you take away my skins, there's nothing left for ME to do either.
15:14 i personally agree with this one. Of all the supports, moira is the only one i vant play
I think telling someone that if they dislike the crappy business model of overwatch to go play roblox is an elitist and selfish view.
And makes no sense
It's the same business model as most f2p fps games, I thought it was funny asf, if you wanna play dress up then dress to impress is exactly what they should be playing
@@Brian-zc7rlDress to Impress doesn't have Overwatch's gameplay. "Half" the fun means the other half IS the gameplay.
good thing that’s not what he said. hope this helps! 👍
on the other side you'd probably need to pay $60 for the game in the first place, that's a part why they have it that way as well, to fund their f2p game.
Personally, I didn't mind CC because of getting chain stunned, but more so because of its shut-down potential.
It's good to have opportunities to cancel powerful abilities, but you shouldn't have to wait out or bait out 10 different cooldowns in order to ult.
Yes, Overwatch has too many "undo buttons."
I’m a QP warrior
I quit comp after I hit GM in overwatch 1.
I don’t play consistently as I used to, but whenever I do play, I have lots of fun and have no complaints about the game. Just bought the Le Sserafim skins and I’m having a blast playing sombra.
You’re God’s most powerful soldier
Yeah I’ve been having the same issues with Sombra. My sensitivity is just not high enough to spin around a full 180 fast enough
Same, It’s so much harder playing with high sensitivity on console. Using only your thumb vs your entire arm is the difference. I don’t even turn to look at sombras anymore, I just stay near cover.
@@muigoku7256increase your sens
100/100 is the sense most master+ console players. 70/70 should be like the absolute minimum.
@@mickeyboy90 really? Maybe thats why im struggling. I just got to masters and my sense is like 35 lol.
@@muigoku7256 how tf do you fight tracer/sombra 🤣 well done for masters with that
I feel bad for the person who likes cosmetics that he dunked on. As someone who played OW1 extensively I understand that mindset because it used to be a "collect everything of your favorite hero" and "log in every holiday and grind for skins". Now I don't touch the game unless I'm feeling some comp or friends want to play because there's nothing else to do. Making almost all the skins for pay only hurt players constantly coming back imho. Especially when the free ones usually aren't great looking. It's why they put gold coins in the battlepass now because battlepass seems worthless unless you buy it.
I understand and feel for however your desire to collect skins doesn't make them mandatory to have
eh. nah. skins are optional. it's cool that you found skins to be the main reason you played the game, but that's very niche. it's kind of like saying that the custom game mode is a major reason for people to play. I'm sure it's a big deal for some but the "issue" isn't that custom game content is limited.
I've been playing since day 1 of overwatch's release and I can say with 1000% certainty that anyone who says skins are mandatory is a entitled child, I bet they have all the participation trophies too
@@Lee-fw5bd How is it "niche" when the whole game is about collectibles? You literally play the game and collect exp to unlock more collectables. They revolve every season around skin collabs and themes of what skins are coming out. We only get a new character every 2 seasons and other than that they don't add anything else to the game. It's just balance patches and the same gameplay for years.
@ohhello937 skins being the primary reason to play is niche because it's not very common. If it were, we wouldn't have a bunch of people complaining about ranked balance all the time bc they would just optimize for challenges that can be done in a few games a day. Don't need to play ranked for them either. People play the game bc of the gameplay. Skins are just a nice bonus to many and collecting all of them wouldn't cross the mind of the majority.
There's not really an argument to be made on either side until blizzard comes out with data but saying that the game is purely based on collectibles is a very weird viewpoint to me. Definitely wouldn't call exp a collectable either but that's neither here nor there. I'd say that progression is at the forefront for many and the gameplay (that you seem to find stale) for most. Even if you find it stale, from a casual perspective, it is still quite fun imo
Hot take: You're not that guy. You're not gonna preform at 100% efficiency all the time and that's fine.
Doomfist mains in shambles
While true, the toxic community disagrees.
@@rglover444 eh, tell em smd and mute them if it's gonna be a problem
Certainly not going to preform. ;)
Hot Take: Make moria attack range shorter so doesn't feel like a no skill high damage character
Only people who don't play moira think she's a no skill character. ;)
"Optional" sure, but the inability to express yourself otherwise while others are provide massive psychological incentive to spend that dollar.
Hot take: Cosmetics are only optional if players actually have the option to customize when they want how they want to. 99% of new cosmetics are unobtainable through gameplay. If I want to customize my character but I no longer have the option available to me unless I open my wallet, that's no longer an "Option" that's an "Ultimatum"
It is 100% a shittier choice to have to make, going from the old system of being able to grind for coins to buy any skins vs. now where some skins are payment-only, but they are still functionally optional. Some people have terrible impulse control or will feel compelled to buy every single skin out of a compulsion to be a 100% collector of f cosmetics. Video game companies 100% know they’re exploiting people who can’t help themselves, that’s their target audience with mandatory limited time pay-only skins.
ultimatum: a demand whose fulfillment is requested in a specified period of time and which is backed up by a threat to be followed through in case of noncompliance
a price tag isn't an ultimatum. it's still an option. you have the option to buy or not. blizzard isn't going threatening you if you don't buy a skin. you may just have compulsive tendencies that make you more vulnerable to FOMO but it is still optional
@@Lee-fw5bd "give us a ridiculous amount of your money or you won't be able to access majority of the customization content the game has to offer from now on" doesn't sound like an option to me. I can choose not to give in to this demand, but the effects are very bad for me as a result, it literally makes me enjoy the game less = it's an ultimatum. A real "option" doesn't have adverse effect whichever option you choose.
Wanted to be virtually clothed is an option. Skins weren't even really a thing back in the beginning. It's just that Blizzard figured out that people would pay out the wazoo for them and started charging for them. Same in HotS, same in WoW.
6:30 they didn't move the model a "little bit" omg man. People could earn enough coins for a skin ANY skin they CHOOSE in a month. Now it takes half a year, if you don't use the coins up on the battlpass, which is just Blizzard handpicking what they want to give you. It's worse than random chance.
"It's optional", so is car-tuning in a racing game, still everyone will miss it when they remove the option.
If there are no skins that are earnable through gameplay, its basically no longer optional, I am no longer allowed to do it unless I open my wallet. That's not a CHOICE that's an ULTIMATUM
It’s worse than that because occasionally they drop skins that are ONLY obtainable with actual money regardless of how many coins you have (Moira skin for example)
you got the entire game for free with exactly 0 paid dlc now or ever, you’re gonna be ok
@@GiveMeTheRice *cough* $15 PvE event *cough*
@@HegeRoberto “event”
I've spent 0 dollars (outside the base games) and have like 150 skins. They're not in shortage.
Cosmetics might be optional for you, but the predatory monetization isn't targeting the average player. These game companies are using well known psychological techniques to intentionally predate on people with addictive tendencies that can't impulse control. They know that a certain percentage of their base literally cannot say "No" and milk them for all they can. It's super scummy, and it's really sad that this is what the gaming industry has become.
THANK YOU.
this, and they use dark patterns SO MUCH it's so awful
So, you're saying we should pander to addicts? That's not how that works. Addicts should go to addiction therapy. Everyone can impulse control. If you struggle with it, avoid the situation - delete the game.
Alcoholics can't have beer. The same is true for other addicts.
Big bro does NOT play Doom 😂 slam (besides movement) has two MAJOR value factors:
1. Finish off targets you got low
2. Slam into the front of the entire team, gain insanely fast ult charge, then punch back out.
If I’m not mistaken doomfist’s seismic slam still has a slow - I was flying on echo low to the ground and when I got slammed I literally stopped moving.
Whoever wrote that hot take, should have his brains checked.
8:43 That Doomfist's Seismic Slam is not a hot take. It's a super dumbass take. Whoever wrote that should just stop playing and keep away from this game.
Hot take: Anas nade disabling healing is bad game design and should be changed.
In a game where an important pillar is support and healing having an ability on a relatively short cooldown that can completely disable it feels unjust and depending on your composition forces you to swap unless you want to be at a huge disadvantage.
Similar scenarios was how sombra in ow1 could completely turn off someone’s ability’s for prolonged periods of time and it didn’t feel right so they changed it for ow 2.
A much better design would be to reduce healing rather than completely disable it and then buff Anas kit in other ways if she falls behind
Got to remember you are talking about a skill made when sym was still a support.
I still think Ana nade should counter Ana nade - it would be more interesting.
People excuse bad microtransactions to often, $25 for a skin and 40 for a gun cosmetic is ok I guess
hot take : The hate about Sombra is exagerated.
Why complain about her kit ? She's invisible and ? You can hunt her : As a tank, go back and see when Sombra translocates. As a support, stay with your team (play Brig or Kiriko or Moira). AS a DPS, like tank, track her when she translocates and don't let her down, or stay together.
Sombra is a good pick for duel, not for playing against a group. Just being smart and focus, and you can win against her.
You know who doesn't think the cosmetics thing is a hot take? Blizzard's monetization team. Or Epic's accountants. Or the courts that have ruled against Epic for dark patterns in their shops. Or kids in Fortnite who got bullied for not having paid cosmetics.
Of course, strictly speaking, cosmetics in a F2P competitive game are optional. But it's a F2P game. The only revenue source now is cosmetic sales. The budget for ongoing development resources is tied to cosmetic sales. The FOMO of the rotating shop and the battle pass are specific marketing pressure techniques -- "dark patterns" -- to compel people who are so inclined to want to spend money on cosmetics. Because player investment is a huge part of retention at all levels, and cosmetics and modes of player expression are an integral part of that investment. The whole economic model is BUILT on that. Just look at Epic. They have made billions of dollars from this.
Ironically, these dark patterns are often preying on a sense of "ownership" of the game, ownership of skins and cosmetics or heroes (when you paid to unlock them) or even the game itself, and yet... no one actually owns any of it. It's all a license to use it, it is ephemeral. If the game ever gets shut down, it all goes away.
As much as Id like to consider the Sombra take, I cant. Ive personally never had issues with Sombra. There was always something I could do. It never felt like I couldnt keep myself alive, pressure her out, or even switch if i really needed to.
I main DPS (masters), but my main Support (Diamond) is Ana. Sombra alone has never made me even switch off Ana. I think everyone whines too much and instead of figuring out how to play when shes around would rather bang their head against the wall and complain theres no pillow in the way.
Freezing cold take: content creators such as yourself and others who talk to blizz devs need to talk about Mystery Hero Comp and why they havent brought it back. Players want it. Creators say they want it. Its been gone since season 7!!! A conversation about this needs to happen!!!
This idea that cosmetics dont really matter reminds me of the "function vs function" arguments around MVC:I and how poorly it went for that game. If the FGC can understand that the visuals of a VIDEOgame are just as important as the game itself, hopefully OW fans can too. One of these days at least...
Oooorr they'll just keep coping that the dopamine you get from a basic 15 second skinnerbox gameloop is totally all it takes to sustain a game for years, and any other reward for that is a privelege from blizzard we should be eternally grateful for.
Hot take: Fortify needs to be removed. Orisa presses one button and gets 100 overhealth + 4 seconds of 45% damage mitigation AND immunity to CC AND immunity to critical hits AND less heat generated with zero skill requirement beyond "do I press it now or later?" which is just terrible. I know it also makes her move slower but that's not enough of a cost and it really doesn't change the fundamental issue with the ability.
At least Cardiac Overdrive requires you to be near teammates and for you and said teammates to shoot enemies if you want to maximize its value...
Calling doom slam unimpatcful is blasphemy.
Its his best mobility option, easy proc of passive with pretty good range on the wave. And the best part, in my opinion, is the micro stun. Slam as a ball or lucio begins their movement? Canceled. Soldier practicing for the 5k? Ankles broke. Lucky enough to grab a monkey by his toe? Grounded.
Doom has an extremely versatile kit and his only sour point is punch and its lackluster performance to any similar ability (orisa spear has much less windup, range, and damage/rein pin nukes/roadhog pull is safer)
I think what they originally wanted to do with the PVE would have been fun. This is blizz we are talking about here. they captured over 14 million people world wide with WoW at one point, and that is, essentially, 80% PVE content.
They just didnt have the resources to really bring their A game, so now its just half assed bullshit that is not fun. But, if you know old blizz, you know what they could do, if they managed to have the resouces.
KarQ doesn't seem to understand that being effective with Moira's orbs is the same skills that allow you to be successful with Sigma. Understanding how to ricochet to heal allies and confirm kills without overextending. And her fade is used to chase down and confirm kills, to reposition to heal while not exposing your self. She is an extremely fast-paced hero that requires the player be hyper-aware of where their allies and enemies are, because it is really easy to fade in front of a DVA micro missile burst or Rein charge if you think that you just have a free escape button. He should probably actually play her before throwing shade.
Hot take: Comp should introduce a "vote team MVP" option at the end of a game. Make is so you can't vote for friends, but being rewarded with a 20% SR protection or boost would incentivise positive comms give reason to try harder in uphill games to be voted MVP.
I think you would have to limit this to below GM to stop people gaming top 500, but if someone plays out of their mind in a game, were positively coming and non toxic, I want to reward them
Hot take: Abilities should NEVER be locked out by any hero (except Sombra) because it removes a lot of the fun of counterplay. Aside from Sombra because a lot of her ult's value is as a shutdown tool, things like Zarya's ult should not lock out things like reaper's fade, and Mauga's ult should not lock out Juno or Echo's flying (where are they gonna go anyway lol). Overwatch is fun because there is always something you can do and to take away abilities that can be useful in these situations is like telling a farmer to plant a crop and then setting his shed on fire.
It's funny, because I started playing Fortnite to join with friends and I have NOTHING unlocked on that. So I'm just a lame default character while everyone else is running around as cool superheroes and anime characters and it feels kinda bad. On the other hand, winning against people with just the "default character" feels like kind of a flex lol
Feel like you were pretty dismissive about Moira Orb placement. You can just chuck it and hope, but there's a lot of specific angles and spots you can intentionally bounce it for it to go where you want/need (like Junkrat's primary). It's part of the skill ceiling people rarely talk about.
I don't think they were allowed the right resources to make PVE fun, and then when it wasn't, they used it as an excuse not to have to keep doing it.
Microsoft, the trillion dollar company that owns Blizzard, could easily make excellent Overwatch PVE happen. And they should.
Hot take: I don't think ashe, dva, widow, etc... should get nerfed. I feel like instead, it would be more interesting to buff characters in their roles up to their levels. Ashe and widow are op? Well, now genji is better, so Good luck. Dva is op? Well, now, doomfist is a real threat to her backline. Bringing the niche characters up to par can definitely make the game more enjoyable.
The hot take about Reaper just being able to fade in and nobody having CC to stop it.... Majority of the heroes have movement abilities though. Lol I play in high Platinum, low Diamond as a Reaper and it's rare for me to get any more than 1 Elim with Ult cause everyone can escape it easily even if I flank surprise them. 💀
reaper has the worst ult in the game unless he in on top of you AND you get CCd AND you are below 150 health, you can just walk out of it with even a crum of healing from a single bolt from juno (not a full blaster just a single projectile if her burst), seriously it only works if everyone is super low and the reaper is being pocketed by one or both their healers and maybe even the tank
if you don't see the reaper for more than 15 second, or hear him port, or see him floating in, you know he's fishing for his ult and just ping him and boom he's shut down without you even needing to use an ability xD
Hot take: Sombra isn't an annoying/bad hero, you are just bad at the game. Especially since the rework Sombra has been a very manageable hero, if you are constantly losing to her it means that either your positioning is ass, you don't stick together as a team or you don't ping her; in other words, you are the problem, not her. If you think about it in 99% of cases Sombra is just a worse flanker than Tracer (yes even in consoles, try fighting a tracer with a controller.) only surpassing her when it comes to countering certain heroes like Ball or Doom (in these cases tho Sombra is more of a frontline than a flanker).
Hot Take: Every single character in overwatch is one very good patch away from being the best designed character (better than Tracer). The idea that characters like Sombra, Bastion, Moira, Mauga, Orisa, or Roadhog are irredeemable and should never be meta is ridiculous. Every character has the potential with the right changes while preserving their identity.
It is just priorities. For me PvP is optional. If you put PvP behind paywalls and give me free skins, I'll claim I'm the winner and the suckers who feel they need PvP are the ones who get to pay up.
Of course there is no equality in gaming, so it is always people who want skins who have to pay for the cheap PvPers who don't think they should pay for anything they want.
Sombra is absurdly, oppressively un-fun to play against on any platform, in any situation. I actually hate Sombra more than Widow now, and I never thought I'd hate any character more than Widow. To think that someone got paid to design this iteration of Sombra...
My hot take - four stacks should not be a thing. It should be duo, trio or full stack. Most of my games with four stacks are absolute nightmare (for reasons too many to list them all without making it an essay) - especially if I'm on dps - then they basically ignore me and focus on their party and should we lose a game ofc they are not gonna blame their party - and you can't even say anything back because they can 4x report you (or do it anyway even if you didn't do anything but they are tilted out of their mind).
Unfortunately cosmetics are optional in OW2. We were so spoiled in OW1. My biggest problem with cosmetics right now is the price & the same 5-6 heroes are always getting a new skin.
PS5 player here. 4:01
The game should not be balanced differently across platforms. End of argument
The option for higher sensitivity is there for players to utilise, as well as all the other aim settings like aim smoothing, aim ease in, aim assist/window size/strength and aim technique.
If you can react to a sombra, turn your sensitivity up and start learning to play with a higher sense because if a player with a higher sense fights one with a lower sense at the same skill level. The higher sense will win.
Hot take: As a sombra main, I find it fun to play against sombra when I play support. I don’t know if it’s because I can predict them or what? The only time I don’t like going against a sombra is if I am also sombra because then I’m pressured to do better than her. I think Sombra is a fun hero to fight, coming from a sombra and support main. :)
1000% queuing into QP in a way that maxes out pass XP per game based on weekly missions. The current meta is really unfun for me and I’m trying to get in and out to get my money’s worth.
As a low masters console player, I find nobody really complains about sombra in ranked. But when I que up quick play or hop on my alt with the homies I’m almost unkillable. She might need a slightly longer invis delay after translocator on console.
Hot Take: not really, but Console players can turn down their aim smoothing from like 100 ---> 95 and your aim becomes snappy like you want.
Balancing for console separately could be doable, since console and pc players have separate ranked pools, you could balance both separately. To properly integrate this you would have to separate PC and console for every other game mode, which could make some less popular game mode queue times are crazy.
Take: they should change sombras’s invis to be like the elite’s camouflage in halo, or at least give her foot step sound effects while invis. I feel like being completely invisible in a PVP game is a “cool on paper, horrible in practice” concept.
Bro you are the best OW streamer by a mile. Love your content! As a tank main I don't know why it's hard to pick tank. I feel like you actually get to dominate. As a DPS I do so so at best. But as tank I crush.. that more heath give me more time to use strategies to win. DPS I just die instantly
Some HOT takes here, complaining about quick play is unreal. And find me a game where cosmetics are free lol. Not saying they shouldn’t be but cmon now.