Satan and the Supernatural Blame Game | Renegade Cut
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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BIBLIOGRAPHY AND FURTHER READING:
Origins of Supernatural Beliefs: www.livescienc...
The Cognitive Psychology of Belief in the Supernatural: www.americansc...
Supernatural belief gains strength in natural disasters: www.thestar.co...
A Delusion of Satan: The Full Story of the Salem Witch Trials. Frances Hill.
Ethics in Ancient Israel. John Barton.
Elaine Pagels. The Origin of Satan.
Jonathan Klawdans. Impurity and Sin in Ancient Judaism.
Unmask Alice. Rick Emerson.
Something I always found interesting is that Dante’s depiction of Satan is actually the least powerful. In the poem, Satan is massive and monstrous, but he’s just another victim being tortured in hell (while also torturing others, the three greatest traitors, in Dante’s view). Lucifer is found frozen in ice from the waist down, uselessly beating his wings to try to escape (the cold wind only freezing the ice all the more, so he can never escape)
Virgil doesn’t even draw much attention to him, doesn’t describe who he is or what he did, and doesn’t even mark Satan as a threat or something to fear. In Dante, Lucifer is nothing more than a ladder to get out of the Inferno.
Also Lucifer’s dick is the center of the universe, in Dante’s cosmology.
Might explain why this world is fucked.
Bad thing happens to bad person: "GOD IS PUNISHING YOU!!"
Bad thing happens to good person: "God is testing your faith."
You can't win with these people.
It's why talking with them on their level is fruitless. Their beliefs are refractory to calm words. Gotta attack their beliefs aggressively and relentlessly with material evidence, force them to face their beliefs; inject ideological venom into their minds.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
You left out "so-called" bad people or "perceived " bad people. However, they all do believe they are good, no matter the atrocities committed.
@@ooklathemok7507 "Brevity is the soul of wit" as an ex-Christian, ex-Catholic, I know exactly how these people can be. It was going through my head while making the comment. Figured it would be too cumbersome.
Seems to me God is just a bit of an asshole, going around messing with everybody
The Devil was a retcon and is not cannon. - I need this on a t-shirt
The irony here is that canon discussions originate from the bible, whereas nowadays we attribute it more to Star Wars or the MCU, which are in turn now discussed with near-holy text importance.
@@ShirDeutch You are unbelievably correct. The Lord of the Rings/Rings of Power show really highlighted how religious these fictional things are to so many people. Literally arguing in comments that it's not "real" or not canon because it doesn't adhere strictly to the written texts. I think some people fill certain emptiness in their lives with these sorts of fictional worlds. Instead of religious texts like the Bible they have religious texts like the Hobbit.
I just filled my emptiness with Marxism and became super depressed instead.
@@Tetragrammaton22 I have found that doing activism and connecting to people engaging in direct action really helped me overcome that depression.
The Book of Job is just like the movie Trading Places except God and Satan are even more petty than me Duke brothers. They didn't wager the $1.
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Never thought of it that way
Satan is my favorite fanfiction character
Paradise Lost was literally fan fiction of its time, and I sometimes have fun telling Christians this, and watching them freak out.
anyone using s8tan as a morality weapon knows what they're doing; playing a supernatural ace up their hole against anyone they don't like. i'd personally question the ones who keep seeing demons in everything/everyone, as if they're more in tune with that side of the force
The phrase is “ace in the hole.” The ace does not go up anyone’s hole.
@@dingdongism it's certainly pulled from up their holes, if you catch my drift.
I think you're underestimating earnest ignorance. Take it from someone raised Baptist.
@@dingdongism idk, some people are probably into that.
Great video! I've been trying to deconstruct my faith, or more the religion I was raised in, for a while now and it is really helpful to listen to people like yourself explain how parts of my religion came about instead of simply saying all religion is for idiots. Learning to look at parts of the bible as metaphors or ways of explaining the world in a time where scientific knowledge wasn't as advanced has really helped me figure out how to discern what to read with a grain of salt in terms of accuracy and what to read in the same way someone would read something like Animal Farm for the metaphor and not because they believe there was an actual farm with talking animals who reinvented socialism.
"Jay", of Jay's Journal, went to my high school long before I attended. But I did have one of his teachers! And she loathed that book with every fiber of her being. So did his family. He wasn't a satanist, he just also wasn't Mormon (it takes place in Utah). He'd settled on a form of Buddhism, from what our teacher said. He couldn't even handle ketchup because it looked too much like blood. Actual blood rituals would be right out. He also wasn't demon possessed; he struggled with mental illness. Depression is extremely common in that part of Utah.
Unsurprisingly, "not Christian" immediately equals "Satanic", and the book preyed on the depression and suicide of a teenager for fame and profit.
As an Olde, this brings up Dana Carvey as "The Church Lady" in "Church Chat" SNL sketches...
"Could it be...... SATAN!!!!!!"
A friendly periodical reminder that more of Christianity happens outside of the US than inside of it.
As a theologian I highly respect your exegetically honest representation of historically critical view on scripture. Although I'm not that comfortable with lines like "simple as that" as with the segment on the Revelation of John (which wasn't a bad take overall). I do have notes though. Hardly any ecumenical functions between recognized churches consider Satan a persona or him to be more than methaphor for impersonal evil as a general perceived faultyness of human existence. Which, to be clear, is a subject of criticism on its own and has to do with ideas like original sin and such (like wether or not it is constructive to think there's something fundamentally and unavoidably ruined in human morale which sould be repented. Left leaning Nordic lutheran's for example (and other episcopal "mainline" protestants) would rather stress the structural nature of evil and failures in shared responsibilities, something that can and should be worked on even though human interaction has a tendency to produce these structures of evil especially in power dynamics, inhospitality, lack of compassion and communal care and short sightedness.)
Generally I'd wish more and more nuanced takes of this direction, but with transparency about which church or denomnination in talked about and at least a clear understanding that no religion is a monolith and few claims of christian theology can be fairly generalized. Protestantism is not a denomination, it only refers to everything that is not Catholic (under the Catholic church of Rome) or Orthodox (so called "eastern christianity"). I respect the notion on early colonial protestantism of North America and it's legacy on modern American evangelicalism. It's also to be noted that as modern religions the ralations and histories between Judaism and Christianity are far more complex than just what can be reduced to claims of historical misinterpretations of scripture to one way or another. The lines of reception, interpretation and edition histories are millenias deep for both and they also overlap.
Nothing huge to criticize though, just thought to leave these few points. A great video as always!
Great voicework this time around RC. Nuanced, objective, and precise. Thank you!
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I always learn something new when you discussed theology on here. Cool Halloween video! 🎃
Funny how you brought up Job, and how it’s all allegorical. In a poll that I saw a few months ago asking if humans and dinosaurs coexisted, more than a few comments referred to the vague description of Behemoth in Job 40:15-18 as proof that they did.
Better ask if humans and trilobites coexisted.
you could say satan was being
the devils advocate
It's pretty easy to debunk the idea of Satan as a literal character that stands against God. In the Bible, 2 Samuel 24 and 1 Chronicles 21 detail the same event: David is directed to take a census. The former says God directed David while the latter says Satan directed David. The only way to reconcile the two is to understand that Satan doesn't mean God's enemy, but ha-satan, God's agent, prosecutor, etc. a being carrying out God's commands.
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Leon, you always do such a great job breaking down religious things. As a theologian, I applaud any effort to bring reasonable, critical analysis of religious texts to public forums. Though I'm sure we may disagree theologically, I greatly value your insight. If there is a devil, it is an idea, more like the "evil inclination" of Jewish mysticism. Greed, pride, malevolent hoarding, authoritarian domination-- these are the real demons of our world, and worth opposing, not some cartoon goat man.
greed pride and hoarding are not really evil, they are mental disorders of a misfiring brain or some sort of trauma that people didn’t deal with, perhaps it is just what our society structure creates as a survival mechanism.. if we see them as an evil we don’t try to figure out what is causing them. Living in a capitalist society where money is the end all be all is what makes greed.. it isn’t a dark force that humans just do because evil
EVERYBODY SHUTUP, THERE'S A NEW RENEGADE CUT OUT. I NEED TO WATCH THIS.
Your editing continues to be a delight.
As a Christian, I always love the demystifying of the concept of Satan. Far too much fear mongering has been done by the fearful and dishonest.
And it neither helps the cause of showing Christ's love, or makes a Christian worldview any more legit or appealing.
To be fair though I think most Christians, who've studied scripture and it's origins won't find this video shocking. Hopefully it's common knowledge that:
1) The faith developed and our approach to the Bible is very different from the writers in antiquity.
2) Satan has taken on a monstrous appearance largely due to pop culture rather than scripture.
Shout out to the Legend makeup team, for giving us the most iconic devil in cinema history.
And of course there is the irony that the "modern" images of Satan, hell and other classical biblical hellscapes are taken from Dante's Inferno, which was written as a _mockery_ of Christianity and trying to illustrate how silly the entire notion of hell was (and still is).
At best it's Christian fan fiction
love the zoom in on Pacino..
Keep up the good work. Love hearing from you.
To my understanding much of the persona of Satan also takes from another character in Judaism known as Samael.
I've been watching your channel for years and I think this is one of the most interesting and articulate videos you've made. Furthermore I'm Jewish and I really appreciate your shedding light on how Christianity bastardized the sacred texts of a closed tribal religion they hardly understand. (I don't mean any disrespect to individual Christians but I think it is very important to understand where it came from if you are one and to face the reality of what happened). Everything I've watched of yours before has mainly pertained to American politics because I'm usually on youtube for political content but I didn't realize you were so knowledgable in a wide variety of subjects.
Are supernatural beleifs really so different from any other belief that they require a whole extra evo-psych explanation?
People get these ideas in the same ways that they get most other ideas. They are told something by another person or they notice a (real or imagined) pattern in their environment and try to explain it.
For example you can teach a child to believe in supernatural impurities in basically the same way that you could teach them to believe in real physical impurities like germs.
I think one of the scariest things about being a person is that our minds are not naturally very good at figuring out what is true. We can mislead ourselves or eachother very easily.
When correcting and pushing back on this type of thinking is frowned upon and doesn’t make many friends then even if people are figuring that out they are not incentivized to share that with other friends. The thinking is kept going by people wanting to be polite.
Yes they are very different. "Believing" in science isn't faith at all, it's not belief, it's fact. You don't have to change faith, challenges to faith are deflected or ignored or they cause great schisms in religious organizations. Challenges to science are expected and necessary. Seeing new evidence and changing your "belief" is the purpose.
Of course you're also sort of just talking about lying to each other. Science can be used, and has been in the past, to justify certain political positions. So science (as broad as that is) is not perfect for it can still be wielded by those with power and wish to maintain that power.
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I'd like to thank you for this insightful deconstruction of the people's paranoia. It not only educates people on a platform mainly used by young, open to interpretation generations. It also opens up the argument that might be able to bring down the overly fearful/manipulative leaders. By nipping their own theorys in the bud. Again, thank you.
22:39 um...have you seen the live action Pinocchio
Maybe it’s because I’m relatively new to evolutionary biology, but what Bering wrote seemed to me like a lot of speculation, when speaking of evolutionary traits we often point out to specifics, the shape of a structure, the ability to do something or a certain specific behavior, and we’re almost always able to track this traits from ancestors to descendants, in comparison saying that “belief in the supernatural” is an evolutionary trait sounds odd to me.
Hey Leon, going to watch the video after this comment. Wondering if you plan to do a video on the Russia Ukraine conflict. Would love to hear your input, if you are willing to share. Okay now I’m looking forward to finishing this video. Thanks for the content!
Nope.
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Good point on the revelation part. The evangelicals interpreted the imperialism part and changed it to globalization since they themselves are imperialists lol.
22:38 David S. Pumpkins, servant of the darkness.
"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself."
- Karl Marx (The Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right)
It‘s fascinating how pretty much the whole concept of the devil christianity believes in is derived from Milton‘s Paradise Lost, which is just religious fan fic. Some catholic christian scholars acknowledge the problem that there is no theological basis for the current devil concept and have been trying to find new ways to introduce alternate interpretations, but the Vatican won‘t have none of it. It‘s a pretty heated debate that has been going on for some time now and has led to some members leaving the church or being branded as heretics essentially.
I would find it immensely amusing if the catholic church would one day be torn asunder by the argument, proving that even a fictional devil can be your worst enemy.
Isaiah 45:7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and *create evil* : I the Lord do all these things.
Good video!
I really appreciate your religion videos
good one.
I wonder if Q is not loosely based on this character in SNG, who is a sort of demi god, always referring to himself as: "I'm Q"... Both as an individual and as a group in the continuum... It started as a ridiculous joke and now it has become a cringy one...
Dryly funny as well as informative
Happy Halloween. Keep on comrades:)
Satan: He's Everywhere, Always.
What's the music at 4:07?
Nearly all my music comes from a paid subscription to Epidemic Sound, a music and sound effects archive for content creators.
The only theistic Satanists I've ever heard of are the first wave of Black Metal.
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As a Malaysian, I’m embarrassed by their superstitious beliefs.
Great vid series about the right
A good articulation of the issue.
You earned a sub
"the devil hath been raised among us.." sus ඞ
Honestly, the whole Satan thing with the way modern Christians consider it (not to be confused with previous uses of the term throughout history) seems really illogical. How would any entity be able to potentially thwart God's plan? And if no one can, then that just means anything that Satan did would be part of God's plan, right?
I see what you did there. Excellent point
they dont really dwell on stuff like that. Its just a knee jerk reaction to blame "the devil" for anything wrong.
JW believe that Jehova let's Satan do havoc on earth and only the people that would stay loyal to him will survive Armagedon which is kinda hilarious, because in many places in the Bible God is called love and at the same time he wants to test humans with suffering (and at the same time he is forgiving and at the same time he made people imperfect because Eve ate the apple and won't forgive them). Also the Job saga and Noah saga deserve comic books, they're quite entertaining.
Their god is omniscient so that means that everything is allowed under their god's watch, including S.A. and other heinous acts.
@@thenumberIX the final cope is when they talk about free will, as if they know enough about it. Even by their own standards, as if they know just as much if not more than their own god. It's absurd.
Like that episode from Moral Orel, a song about how Jesus sucks becomes a hit, and the reverend says that "everything bad that happened in Town was because of that song" one character points out that "The bad Things happened before the song was a hit" and the reverend tells him that "God can see the future"
An interesting note on Catholicism: historically, when they church is trying to determine if someone is worthy of sainthood, they hold what is essentially a trial. One side is the defense and they try to prove that the person live a holy life and competed miracles. Another is the prosecutor who argues that the person may have been good but was not holy and did not perform miracles. That prosecutor is called the Devil's Advocate.
Christopher Hitchens performed that role during the sainthood consideration of Mother Theresa. It was interesting.
So Satan's Satan? Satan²
Yes, Hitch did that. Someone beat me to it. 😆
It's unfortunate the idiots in charge didnt listen to Hitchens. He was correct. Teresa was a major asshole.
That's one of those factiods that borders on common knowledge, like how the actor in lord of the rings broke his toe when he kicked the helmet. Not that it's important but it just made me think when is something considered common knowledge and I suppose it depends on the community in question.
My joke is that Satan is two things in the bible, God's drinking buddy who he plays the Job game with, and Jesus' weird uncle who took him camping one time.
Because that's literally the only times the Satan is actively participating ...
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@@AdumbDriver because without fear of the devil, there is no need for God.
maybe it's the same person and God just drinks with Jesus uncle? You know, that weird one who reaaaaaaly wants to hug or fight everybody after two drinks.
As someone who’s took 3 years to read the bible this is fucking hilarious
“I see your starving in the desert, want some food?” - The Bad Guy apparently
My mother is a weird mix of Roman Catholic/Southern Protestant and we've had many arguments about religion over the years. One was about Satan and, after personally going through all of the verses in the Old Testament and their history, I thought she would be happy to see that there was no 'ultimate evil'. She never refuted any of the evidence that the word was used differently, but still wanted t hold onto the concept of the devil. I believe that's because the world is an incredibly complex and messy place where bad things happen from good intentions (or no intentions at all) and the devil simplifies that all.
In the Manga Berserk, there’s this sentient thing called The Idea of Evil that presides over fate and causality and is the boss of the five-demon team called The GodHand. According to itself, it came about in prehistoric times because people wanted an explanation as to why bad things happened
Religion comes from a bias we have to assign higher authority to things that have agency over us, so when you don't feel in control of your life you're more likely to believe there's someone out there
My mother is a very religious, (but somewhat progressive) Catholic and one time I asked her "does anything scare you more than the devil or demons?" And in a rare moment of clarity she said "the possiblity of the devil not existing is scarier then the devil himself"...
Personal faith gets built up more and more, but ultimately, the attachment is an artificial blanket of aesthetics and confused sentimentality
The Devil is, quite simply, something to blame all evil on, and thus also infer that everything bad and evil is in some way caused by them, rather than just happening without one central figure you can blame.
It's startlingly similar to conspiracy theories, frankly. They don't want to think that the bad things happening to them, or in general, is no-one's fault. They want someone or something to blame, so clearly some secret society's, I dunno, causing earthquakes because fuck everyone I guess?
I love this.
"God meets with the Heavenly court, who are angels who assist god with various things"
God is all knowing and all powerful. What the hell does he need assistance with?
Telling Isrealites to genocide the Canaanites because they worship the wrong gods
God is just the lead director of a game dev studio, and human scientists are the modding teams and modders who unborked that crappy divine job and never get credited properly for their work by God fanboys (and the game devs also don't get credited anywhere in the manual)
God's all powerful and all knowing like an EA CEO is all powerful and all knowing
all fan-fic dogmatism parading around as wisdom
for much of their early history the Israelites were henotheistic rather than monotheistic, in other words they believed other gods existed, but they only worshiped their god. the idea of One Supreme All Everything God is mostly a later Christian invention, derived largely from Greek Idealism and Platonic Forms nonsense.
@@neoqwerty so god is Todd Howard and Heaven is Bethesda?
I love how shocked people are when they try to witness to you and act like you are crazy for not believing in anything supernatural, especially god.
Someone should ask them why they don't believe in vampires,werewolves,oni, etc.😁
Had some Mormons stop by and wanted to talk. I’m a nice guy so said sure I’ll talk. Eventually they brought up satan and asked what I thought about him. I said I felt bad for him and would forgive him for whatever he’s done…they never came back
@@terranhealer They stopped coming to my door when I answered wearing a Dyke March tank top.
Which is weird, because if they were witnessing to you you'd think they'd start with the base assumption that you weren't on board.
Seriously. They look at YOU like you're the lunatic for not believing in their invisible sky god. It doesn't just stop with God either. I recently had someone take pity on me for refusing to believe in the MAGIC of Reiki and psychic healing and insinuating that it's all a scam. Apparently, I allowed my inner child to die. Or something.
As a Satanist, I’m incredibly pleased that you did your research, academics & all. I was pleasantly surprised you even mentioned different branches of Satanism - a lot of people tend to ignore that and lump us all into one ideal. Thank you so much, this is incredibly informative, and really good to show to my religious friends who’re lacking on the history side of things.
Great video! One little addition I'd note is that the fringe of the fringe of the fringe of Satanism also has a weird connection with far-right politics. There's been more than a few neo-Nazis who theistically worship Satan and there's weird sects like the 'Order of Nine Angles' which has been active for decades and been linked to terrorist groups like Atomwaffen. I found a site that linked vast chunks of their internal documents and it's the most unhinged shit. Advice for Satanist names, the correct way to hold Satanist rituals (which includes things like a copy of Mein Kampf and portraits of Osama bin Laden), Satanist views of Covid-19 and other nonsense. Not exactly a mainstream group, but it's an interesting insight on how elements of the far-right actively want to be seen as the bad guy.
Interesting. What's the name of the website?
which of their members leaked their documents i wonder. or was it some kind of mole perhaps
they are also engaged in drug trafficking and child traffickin IIRC
Your thorough research and considerate handling of Judaism always impresses me. It's such a rare thing to see, I am very appreciative for it. כל הכבוד! ❤
As a leftist theology major: this is why you are my favourite video essay channel. Thank you for your work, I may now spam this in my classmate groupchat.
You might like Tobias, he has a great video about history/theology of gender in the Bible and a bunch of other great videos.
Also recommending The Magnificast and Faith And Capital podcasts for leftist theology discussions. As a Christian communist, all three have been fascinating
@@benjamindesjarlais5713 Thank you very much for the recommendations! I'm always on the lookout for more progressive or marxist Christian material.
@@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken if you're up for a read and haven't already encountered it in classes, the hosts of the Magnificast regularly refer to Ernesto Cardenal's "The Gospel in Solentiname", it's high on my reading list and does a lot with exploited nations' liberation theology
The older I get, the more I actively hate the story of Job, even as a parable.
The only relatable parts are the parts where Job calls out those who claim he's actually a sinner for all the catastrophe that's come upon him (rain falls on sinner and saint alike), and the parts where he talks to God directly and says some form of "Dude, what the fuck?"
Unfortunately, it's all undone by God going "Look, I made everything; trust me and you'll get everything back plus more, and better than what you had." And Job just goes along with that, resigning himself to being no more than a divine plaything.
Thus, as an exploration of why bad things happen to good people, I feel like it fails because the answer is "you can't do a god-damned thing about it, pun intended, so suffer and maybe God'll make it up to you in the end."
I think people suffer quite enough, thank you very much. And we should do something about it, especially if some divine power not only won't but actively allows or encourages it.
nah is a metaphor to stay encouraged even when bad things come arbitrarily. because otherwise people keep wasting time wondering why did this or that happen
@Daveed. That's an interesting take.
The thing about Job is they kill his kids. He later has more kids, but first, imagine getting killed by God because your dad is a pretty good dude, and second, if one of my kids died, I’d still be sad for the rest of my life even though I have other kids.
So you can’t deny the possibility that recent inflation is the result of someone offending the Chupacabra.
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Only thing I would disagree with would be the assertion that spirituality was always used in the maintenance of vertical hierarchies of cultures historically. While I do think this assessment is acceptable in regards to Christianity, I don't think it would necessarily apply to many indigenous peoples traditional practices of spirituality.
It's easy to blame disasters on sin. Sin is a nebulous concept with easily moved goalposts to ensure its existence and disasters are, by their nature, a statistical certainty.
To that end it's trivial to assign sin as the cause of a disaster, even before it happens, thus giving false legitimacy to the doomsayers who leech off of paranoia.
Excellent work. There's barely anyone making this kind of non-sensationalized heavily researched videos on the internet. I'm so happy that you're doing this and I hope this work keeps you happy too. Definitely one of the best channels on UA-cam and one of my favourite places on the internet.
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If you followed atheist content creators, you'd realize there are many in addition to Renegade Cut making similar videos and who actually specialize in this type of content, whereas RC tends to focus mainly on movies and their related social concepts.
@@Aurealeus There's a few but they don't post as regularly. Can you recommend others? Anyone like RC, hbomberguy or philosophy tube.
@@NaderNabilart I don't know if these are atheists, and they're more general history than religion specifically, but I'd recommend StepBack History and Bobby Broccoli (more tech history focused).
Hey! The chubacabra is way more likely to be real than the sa tan
Wait, why was Jesus dragging a cross across a field with no Roman presence or other prisoners or procession or onlookers? Doing a dry run? Just working out? Was crucifixion reliant on the honor system?
You should have mentioned the Zorastian influence on Judiasm after the Babyloninain exile..I am a Christian bur after reading Gnostic texts have come to the conclusion the heaven ans he'll are state of mind
It's so frustrating that most of what modern Christians think of Satan and Devil came from fan fiction (Dante). And they just accept it without question. It's one of the reasons I left the faith. You could tell me my faith wasn't strong in the first place, but that is a cop-out. It was strong, stronger than yours (whoever you are to doubt it). But I was told that faith grows stronger under scrutiny. I was told, the more questions you ask, the deeper your faith will be as you will find nothing but confirmations and proof.
I was told this, I think, with the hope that I'd just "take their word for it".
But I read the Bible, I read the apocryphal books, I read apologia, I read books about other religions and why Christianity was the "right" one. All I found were logical fallacies and conjecture and people unwilling to ask one more question, the question that would undo the foundation of the belief.
I love Renegade Cut Satan Lessons!
Anyway, as someone who watched like every murder documentary on tv in my early teens I kind of figured out on my own that satanists killing people wasn't a thing, because every time cops suspected a crime was ritualistic it turned out to be like a guy who killed his wife and tried to make it look like satanists did it. Then I got into buzzfeed unsolved and such and the host are always like "rumor says this site is used for satanic rituals" and they're like legit scared of satanists lurking in the dark ready to sacrifice anyone when that shit does not happen and never did!
As a native hebrew speaker I really appreciate your pronunciation. However, you did screw up the names of the angels. For example, Malakim is the plural form of Mal'akh and should also be pronounced as Mal'akhim. That being said, I love this video, and it's thorough and engaging as always.
Paradise Lost and Dante's Divine Comedy are the most influential fanfiction works in history
One issue I had with the video:
TST is not a progressive organization. Their founder and leader is a known racist who has spoken in defense of fascists (and even made an appearance on a fascist talk-show under his real name to discuss a proto-fascist book he still openly agrees with), they donate to a "charity" that defends people accused of abusing children because they think the children are delusional or being fed a story by the prosecution, and they've made legal claims to both being a for-profit and a non-profit in a way that would let them both dodge taxes and make tons of money that isn't used to expand services. Oh, and on the topic of services, their "Satanic Abortion" defense has yet to win a lawsuit in any of the states it's been tried in, meaning their big claim that they've "protected reproductive rights" isn't actually true. And on the subject of lawsuits, they also filed a SLAPP suit against former members who've spoken out about abusive practices in the organization.
So, yeah, TST is an absolute shitshow of an organization, and does not deserve anyone's support. They can't help you get an abortion, and what percentage of any "donations" they receive gets funneled directly into the pockets of their all-but-certainly fascist leader is completely undisclosed, so you're all but guaranteed to be giving money directly to a probable fascist.
Never clicked faster on a video lol
"Don't get me started on Revelations"
Oh please, please record a video about Revelations 🙏🙏 there is so much you could say about it
Counterbalancing the hysteria and hoping for some sanity .... in the USA = 🤣
i just put Pazuzu statuettes on the corners of my dwelling to keep out satans, and i have yet to have a satan problem.
what i like about Job is that it's a transition *away* from the idea of suffering as divine punishment. Yahweh's answer to Job is that his suffering is arbitrary, that the world is large and mostly unknown and sometimes just kills humans. sometimes you get a satan. which is why Pazuzu statuettes aren't an expense, they're an investment.
So, I feel that it is worth bringing up that there *is* a Jewish tradition of a malevolent entity who opposes God, but even when it was "popular" it was generally considered a weird, fringe heresy brought about by Jews getting too friendly with Zoroastrians in Babylon. Among various backstories for this Anti-God was the narrative of them being a fallen angel, and among various names given to them were Ha'Satan and Lucifer (although to my understanding, Belial was the most popular name for this figure). You can see a chunk of this tradition show up in the Dead Sea Scrolls, for instance. It also makes sense that given that this weird cult to this Joshua guy spent a hundred or so years also being a weird, fringe heresy that it would intermingle with other fringe beliefs and occult practices in the area, such that when it re-emerges in the historical record in the late first and second century it has undergone transformations and appropriations. So, while I understand the urge to dunk on Christians and go "haha, they can't translate Hebrew/Greek or understand the Torah," there is a decent chance there was a bit more than that going on under the surface.
Personally, I've always more resonated with the Gnostic concept of the Demiurge, a false god who is the architect of the material world in order to create a world which he can dominate and control and establish a restrictive order of no free will, only blind obedience, but is eventually overthrown with the help of a demonic or dark trickster figure, allowing mankind to pursue enlightenment through their own will and freeing them from restrictive order and paradigms.
In the words of the late great David Wong, mankind did not create witch-hunts because it believed in witches, it created witches so it could have witch-hunts.
As an atheistic satanist (member of TST) and an avid D&D player for decades, I shall never tire of your videos about satan. If you have more to say, I for one am happy to keep listening.
I love your videos, Leon, and your intro music and imagery are my favorite of any UA-cam channel! Thanks, as always, for being such a well-informed, humane, and calm voice of reason in this fascinating but troubled world.
I recently read an African author explaining that the Bible is a work of “magical realism”.
This puts that one lady screaming about "accusers" in Walmart into a whole new context for me lol
I used to like your work but this, I mean THIS!? (JKLOL, Hail Satan)
I clicked the upvote button. SATAN COMMANDED ME.
18:47 He finally said the thing
Given the violent history of Christianity, it really is not surprising that Satan has become such an intriguing symbol of rebellion and defiance. Satanists wouldn't exist if it weren't for the hierarchies and dogma of the Church that created them.
True. Also, Satanist tell you, or most will tell you, that they don't believe in a literal devil. So, that begets the question...Why wouldn't' they just call themselves heathen atheist? To me, it seems that Satanist are very cartoonish in this regard and difficult to take serious.
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Not gonna lie, Satan and the Supernatural Blame sounds like a really cool band or a fun videogame, at worst a low effort YA novel
It's odd if the term Enemy is enterchanged with the word Ego, it makes the New Testament make more sense especially in the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, saying the most destructive part of a person is the Ego or Default mode of the human psyche. And the constant battle is nessicary for humility and growth as a person. Very much in the way of Jungian theory. And has been proven to be helpful through forms of cognitive therapy.
“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist”
-salty fundamentalists in the comments
Yep. Also, we should tell them that the greatest trick Cthulhu ever pulled was convincing humans he was fiction. Jk. Point being, people could say that any mythological character has fooled us into not believing in them.
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Off topic but
Holy shit that’s why those weapons are called “bolos” lmao. You throw them at someone’s feet to stop them, fuck.
The recent conjuring movie is literally about the devil made me do it case, and takes the side of the guy who blamed the devil for making him stab his landlord 22 times.
It's not faith, it's fear.
Satan was invented to justify that fear.
Funny thing is. The descriptions of Angel's are like eldritch horrors. The idea of angels being beautiful people is really a narrative device. As to lay your eyes upon their true form would render you anywhere from blind, to dead. So it's funny to me that historically Satan is portrayed as this horrific figure yet when you dig tou find out the angels themselves were MUCH more horrific.
Fitting video for the occasion