@@alejandrodominguez1758 Because only an idiot would've thought Kaido will die at the end of Wano. Same idiots who thought Yamato was male and It was so obvious she was female
The worst type of punishment to inflict upon someone like Kaido would actually to just tie him down in Onigashima and leave him there to suffer for eternity. I think you're right: it's not really that he wants to die, but rather that he needs to be in control of the way he goes out. This also explains the Whitebeard line after his failed suicide, since he managed to go out in a heroic way even at an old age
Well... Still tho, that won't happen. One Piece is still kid friendly and such a fate seems quite traumatizing for such a light hearted story. But that's an interesting suggestion nonetheless.
@@clydu91 Why, do you really think they'll take him down with just the scabbards? Kaido will probably slap some of them before someone else enter the fray
"Hey dude! Remember that guy Kaido?" "Oh, yeah... what was of him?" "Dunno, got punched on the groin by a rubber boy and no one heard from him again" "Lame" "Yeah..."
What if Otama does that and Kaido become a bit friendly at the end of the war, and then we'll have a Luffy and the Others on Kaido as a dragon ball reference? Nah I'm just trippin
I really like how Morj presents his points. As much as I love Ohara and Joyboy, watching Morj make these points with a mix of fitting manga panels and irl footage filled to the brim with powerful body language exudes a level of confidence I don't really see as much in other One Piece theorists.
What about Vander Decken? Is he dead? I thought for a while that he was but I'm genuinely unsure. Oh and let's not forget Smiley, who died for The Lore.
May be Enel isn't a Villian then, since he already got what he wanted... 😉 Question is, will it last ? Arlong had Cocoyashi Village for 8yrs, so it seemed he had his wish or part of his wish come true, except that Luffy happened to be arrive there to kick his butt... Same happened with Enel, Crocodile, Doflamingo, etc. May be Enel is again gonna get his ass handed over to him, by someone other than Luffy ?? After all, it is not like only Rubber is resistant to lightning... 😝
Even if he (Oz) actually "died" at the end, I think the point still stands, so maybe it's not only that he (Kaido) won't die, but rather he won't be able to regain the standing he has now ever again, so he won't get another go, won't get another try, will be incapable of doing anything that gives him fame again (at least the way he has it now)
Is interesting how you just listed all the things every time-skip villain wants to achieve but failed to do... and still Luffy is going to do it anyway by his own. I never thought about it. It's insanly genious of Oda... and someone should make a video about it!!
@@SehaChan "wants to achieve but failed to do" Ener didn't failed, he's one of the few Main Antagonist that didn't get fucked by Luffy, his plan went smoothly and end up with a big win for Ener, he got what he wanted
But that stopped at the timeskip when he mastered his Gear 2. It does not shortens his lifespan anymore. But I get it, in Impel Down Ivankov shortened his lifespan by 10 years in exhcange for a treatment. So the red flags are there, thats why I dont believe Luffy will die. The same way I dont believe Shanks will die to Blackbeard. Because its too of a washed up theory at this point and knowing Oda, he has bigger plans than all these popular theories. I trust he does.
Yes, but won't get to see that probably. Oda has said he wants a happy ending, he likes happy enings and those pirate parties they always do when they win is the way to show an "everybody's happy" kind of ending, so he'll probably do the biggest party ever. And that's it. Aaaand I'm totally fine with it too, myself :)
Morj : Why no one is killing Kaido Me: Because his dream is to have a grand death and Luffy defeat his enemies by crushing their dreams and leaving them alive, which would kill two birds with one stone in kaido's case. Morj: Okay, but what about talking of the actual topic in 11 minutes after some interesting digressions about grand death in one piece ? Me: Well, why not indeed.
Honestly Morj, this might be one of your best videos. I opened this up expecting it to be a new take on how Wano's story flows and what will be the most satisfying ending. Instead, it turned out you were concisely slicing open something I never directly thought about, but feels like such a central important theme to One Piece as a whole. Genius stuff. Kaido has felt like a character we don't understand much yet, but it turns out, there's already been so much going on. Love it.
it could also be something where in the one piece world his death is not remembered, news of the wano war will get out definitely, but what if kaido dies in an unflattering way. like based off the last chapter he had that memory of oden and went into a panic attack, what if throughout the fight he becomes genuinely afraid of death, until the end of the fight where he starts running away only to end up with a lot of wounds on his back.
Here's how I look at it: Kaido wants to start the world's greatest war with his self-proclaimed greatest army (which he just boasted about again in the latest chapter). If he and his army were to be completely wiped out in Onigashima, caught drunk and off-guard by an army less than a quarter of their size, composed of people they've enslaved for two decades, led by rookie pirates who are far beneath him in power and stature, that would be the most humiliating way for him to die. And it would be even more so if his longtime rival-turned-alliance-partner suddenly betrayed him in the last minute. Compared to Roger and Whitebeard who managed to set the world alight in their final moments (even despite Blackbeard attempting to steal the spotlight in Whitebeard's case), Kaido being a footnote to the Worst Generation's rise to power without having done anything impactful to the world on his final moments would be poetic justice.
My thoughts exactly. Kaido can die here and his death would not be like Oden, Whitebeard, or Roger’s. I think Morj, for all his usual greatness, really missed the point here: Kaido hasn’t done anything since taking up residence in Wano. If he dies before enacting his plan, he’ll be remembered as a powerful titan who grew fat at home and was defeated by up-and-comers.
If you don't mind my perspective, this kind of reminds me of the story in One Piece Strong World. Shiki planned with his army of pirates and pirate captains to go to East Blue and destroy it. By crashing the party and crushing his plans they effectively ensured that he was stopped before he could begin his plan in earnest. It seems that a similar situation is occurring here. While Kaido has been setting things up in Wano for years, his announcements at this festival seem to be where he plans to kick things off and upon dealing with loose ends officially begin his great war. However, if he loses here, if he is humiliated, if Big Mom betrays him, then his plan will be stopped in its tracks before it can really get off the ground. In the end he would become similar to Don Krieg, Arlong, Hody Jones, Crocodile, and others. He will be seen as a person who had grand plans (albeit an extremely powerful person) who in the end was defeated by a bunch of rookies and lesser opponents before he could ever really begin them. He will be seen as naught but a stepping stone to the new generation of pirates. Mind you, these are just my opinions, but I wanted to join in. Also as a side note, I would point out that Whitebeard's final words (which seemed to be him trying to do something without considering the consequences for once in his life like Roger his old rival) did not only steal the spotlight back from Blackbeard but also the marines. Their execution of Ace and killing of Whitebeard and his crew was meant to reflect their superiority over even the strongest of pirates and show that the great pirate age was ending with the world government's victory. In his final moments, Whitebeard destroyed all that by taking the flame that the marines were supposed to extinguish and turning it into a roaring fire that engulfed the world.
dofflamingo aint dubbed the worlds "strongest creature"? Kaido was hyped out the ass only dude scarring him was oden and look how some samurai's that couldnt beat ceasar....couldn't beat dofflamingo.....COULDNT BEAT JACK QUEEN OR KING stab the invincible kaido
A toothpick can stab a human, a piece of paper can draw blood, would a piece of paper beat you in a fight? The samurai of wano are clearly shown to have very good armament haki and advanced armament which is clearly what you need to harm kaido. They dont stand a chance in a real fight but they can scratch him.
"Kaido won't die because that would give him what he wants: a grand death." No. He can still get death, just not a grand one. If he lives, he gets to carry on, believing he has a chance to get what he wants. But dying a meaningless death is the only way to ensure he never gets what he wants.
@@Oramni27 Right: get what you wanted, but not what you really wanted. Not what you expect. Villain tries to get X, simply because, in his misunderstanding, he thinks it leads to Y, which is what he really wants. So give him X, but not Y.
Exactly, and to counter the Morj's point on saying dying in Wano would be his success - I disagree, and I feel that's why we were shown the Rocks story in the first place! Defeating Kaido in Wano wouldn't make him legendary or grand, he would just be a Yonkou replaced by Luffy, and Luffy's victory would trump and grandness of Kaido through history. He would be erased from the history of Wano, his death would not be grand or meaningful at all!
Kaido can still die, Kaido didn’t actually start the Wano war, the war was started by people trying to protect wano from kaido who sees wano merely as a base of operations to facilitate the war in the future. So if he dies in the wano war then he doesn’t get to realise his dream, the notion that Kaidos goals and dreams of grandeur peak at the Wano war doesn’t fit with his alliance with BM and the new onigashima project. Not to mention he doesn’t have to have a grand death to die. As you say he, can choose how he dies but that doesn’t mean the death he chooses will resonate with the masses which was the key aspect of the grandeur to Oden, Roger and WBs death. His crew is built off of fear and strength other than the all stars i dont see them caring that much, their mindset would probably be lets once again go for my own goals now kaido is gone. Alliance with BM is just a practicality for both sides. The people of wano who will be most privy to the war want him to die. None of these groups are gonna have his death live on in their hearts bc of how good it was. I get some of the points you make but the core to this theory is that villains dont get what they want and kaido wants a grand death. But it kinda lacks the thought as to what a ‘grand death’ is in OP (resonates with masses of people to motivate them and cement their memory, being just a couple of main aspects) and so skips to the conclusion that he couldn’t have a non-grand death and so therefore wont die.
If he dies on the Raid then he dies from being attacked while he was partying drinking and right after announcing that He would find the One Piece and that He would turn Wano into a Pirate Paradise and stuff He would just come off as a rambling drunk weirdo who got killed while talking big and seemly not doing shit, right before the world got turned on it's head by whatever happened at the Reverie and the consequences thereafter
Now that you mention it, I could absolutely see Kaido having a "why won't you let me die?" breakdown once he loses, maybe even giving us a flashback to Rocks' death and eventual obscurity.
Out of all the One Piece youtubers i feel like you understand the story the best. You dont just follow the normal hype or power scalling formula. I would have never noticed this myself, but now what you said in the video makes so much sense.
Luffy said a variation of that to Robin when she told him to leave her there to die. " Why should I listen to you?" At that moment she was weak and could not be in control of her death like she wanted
I just thought of this: Assuming Kaido does die, wouldnt it be funny if the person who kills him was Orochi? xD (also assuming Orochi is still alive lol) Just imagine getting killed by this insignificant little bastard who you thought you already killed. The person that you beheaded so easily. And honestly this would tie back together beatifully to the theme of betrayal and back stabbing. The losers who ended up achieving nothing in the end killing each other. Man if this happens I want a virtual cookie from you Morj xD
One thing I've always wondered is: since he's sunk so many of the Marine's ships, you'd think he's sink with it. And since he's a DF user / not a fishman this should be enough to kill him if there are no currents to bring him to land (a la Big Mom)
Was it ever confirmed he is a devil fruit user tho? I really don't remember If not he could just be a dragon That can turn into a "human" because mythical creatures
@@guyfierieprotectorofthesau6089 Sea stone cuff don't prevent someone to use his DF abilities tho, it just weaken him (same effect as Sea water), if he's strong enough he can use his ability even in water (cf Sanjuan Wolf who casually walk in the sea without giving a fuck)
You have a keen observational haki for literature: i really appreciate you sheding the light on these ideas, buried in front of my nose in the pages of The Manga. Love your work, thanks! Regards
I really like this theory on kaido’s fascination with grand deaths as oppose to the common notion that Kaido is suicidal and is sad and no longer wants to be of this world. However, I also don’t believe Kaido truly wants to die. Where I actually believe Kaido is looking for a challenge. His hobby is suicide, not bc he wants to die but he’s interested in if anything COULD kill him. The sensation that he received from Oden, NEARLY dying, is what I believe to be what Kaido craves. That’s why his goal to start a war was so important: feeling the sensation of a challenge. Being a emperor for so long, has dulled his sensibility, and after fighting Luffy his outlook might change and he will realize what it feels like to NOT be the strongest creature in the world.
Did he? He got to the moon, but not at all like he wanted to... Also he said that only 5 people would survive and that prediction failed massively aswell
While he did indeed make it to the moon, he did not destroy the sky islands and I do feel it necessary to point out that he was decisively defeated in battle before then. Instead of rising to the heavens as an invincible god, it was more as if he had to run to lick his wounds while he could still make it. He certainly got where he wanted, but not in the way he envisioned.
As a literature teacher, I really love Mr. Morj's theories/analysis/discussions. They are so well structured and very objective. He just lays down text-based evidences as if you're in a literature class. Certainly my favorite OP channel.
I've said it before an I'll say it again, Mr Morj is savior of the one piece community. His discussion vids are unmatched, the only other one piece youtubers who are in the same league of Morj greatness are probably Ohara, grandline, and maybe brago (when he's not focus on power lvls) but that's about it 💯
Grandline review? That dude makes entire argument based off of nitpicks or opinions. He makes up "issues" about one piece based off of what he personally doesn't like. He is terrible at criticisms.
Considering Oda likes Romance Dawn so much imagine if Spiel the Hexagon the villain of the second variant of Romance Dawn the pilot of the OP manga is actually what Rocks D. Xebec to look like and the cool shadowy image of him we've seen in flashbacks is just an overexaggeration in Garps mind. Or Spiel is his kid brother.
There's a huge flaw in your argument. He can die without having a grand death. Blackbeard or Big Mom or something tricking him and killing him using dirty tactics is hardly a grand death. He won't be the hero or remembered for great deeds. He's going to die as a villain without anyone caring.
Alright with the nothing can kill him, not even himself things. Yeah of course it's hard to hit yourself, He's in a very akward position to apply force. It's not like Kaido can run at himself and give a full swing using all the right muscle. It's not like he can attack himself once he passes out. It's not like He keeps his strenght and still hit himself hardly enough after losing blood. However, If Kaido magically obtained a perfect clone of himself and let himself get killed by his perfect magical clone, he could die. Kaido can kills Kaido's perfect clone and vice versa. It doesn't stop him however, from being a total badass. Also, *terminal velocity* . Jumping from 10Km probably is the same as jumping from 500 m for Kaido. And he's so big and strong that what ever speed he falls at, compared to his skin, even ciment would cushion his falls. Ciment would give in and take most of the damages and crushing, so he'd recieve enough time and distance to get a low enough deccelerarion for his internal organs to survive. He'd need to be thrown from a Canon with rocket boosters in his back into a huge Pile of Graphene that's being pushed into him for a fall to kill him. Fall is a surprisingly very inefficient way for him. Also, when he fell, he landed into dirt.
I mean if he die in onigashima AND everyone including yamato turn down on him, taking notes that current events are happening on top of a isolated mountain he can be forgotten that way ! No?
Wano will be opening its borders when Kaido is defeated. Thats like the whole point of all this. And Kaido is a global player and one of the strongest people ever. The news will make the round, no matter what.
They could've slingshotted a devil fruit into his mouth while he was in dragon form. I can't believe no one ever tried something like that throughout the entire series 😂
I appreciate your stance Morj, but I think you're ignoring a very integral point in regards to why we say Kaido *needs* to die. In Chapter 795, Kaido's introduction, it is said he was captured 18 times but he *escaped alive* every single time. The only way to truly stop him is by killing him. Capturing Kaido does not work. So how is Wano saved? Kaido is defeated and then what? He'll just return. Unless you're suggesting some sort of redemption for Kaido?
I’ve always held the theory that kaido has an origin story of being a coward and being picked on growing up which was reinforced when it was announced he was the youngest member of the Rocks pirates. Kaido owes a lifelong debt to big mom, and I concurred that it had to deal with his monstrous strength. With all of this considered I think that explains his obsession with a grand death to prove his legend through this death.
I've been wondering for a while now what the point of Law's fruit being able to grant immortality was. Luffy's not gonna get it, the rest of the story still has to have tension. Blackbeard's not gonna steal it, he eventually has to be defeated. But Kaido being cursed with true immortality? It's no coincidence that the one guy who has the power to grant immortality has that power introduced in a saga against a villain whose goal is to have a meaningful death. And it certainly doesn't feel like Oda has much use for Law after this arc, so this seems like a pretty good opportunity for Law to have a meaningful death himself.
And it would be interesting for the Surgeon of *Death* (Law's epithet) to go out while granting eternal *life* . The only thing that makes me kind of doubt this option is what Law's motivation would be. Because giving Kaido eternal life wouldn't help the alliance win. It would just piss off Kaido and ruin one of his goals. But I'm not sure Law would feel that that was worth dying for. The motivation for Law to give up his life just to ruin Kaido's dream seems weak.
Mark Hogan yeah, it is a bit of a long shot. I’m kinda grasping at straws here, tbh. It could happen, but I’d be fine with it not happening as long as the immortality ends up serving an actual narrative purpose.
I think you're making a faulty comparison here. Kaido's dream is to have a grand death yes, but him dying doesn't give him a grand death by default. Even within your video, you have given an example of a character who died (Xebec) and yet didn't have a grand death. So Kaido can be killed by someone other than Luffy (since Luffy doesn't kill) and still not have the grand death he wishes for.
Agreed if for example Blackbeard swoops in like in Marineford and Kaido gets a chance to die like Whitebeard, he realizes he has nothing to say (unlike Whitebeard with "the One Piece does exist" speech) and upon realizing this he dies and falls, again unlike Whitebeard, who kept standing even in death.
I agree with the faulty comparison in that Kaido dying doesn't automatically mean the death is grand. Kaido could die a meaningless death, getting off screened or drowning in the ocean in the midsts of the chaos of Onigashima and people forget he was even there because of a greater evil. I personally believe the only way for Kaido to end this story without dying is if someone gets SO strong, they can basically body Kaido into submission like he's done everyone else. From the sounds of the power scalers, that's not happening. So it's pretty likely he dies, or is chased out of Onigashima (or leaves it behind).
A very similar plotline is seem in the comic The Order of the Stick (arguably my favorite story besides OP), where one of the secondary villains want to be taken down by the good guys to create a story that will always be remembered. The good guys simply beat him without killing him, inform him that he is not their main villain and move on to the next location.
You're assuming his death would be grand. If he finally came up against his own mortality and attempted to flee it would wipe out every other component of the 'greatness' of his death. Edit: also our first proper intro to kaido was him trying to jump to his death right?? Not very grand next to Roger, Whitebeard or Oden
I just got to the part about rocks and that could be serious foreshadowing to Kaidou’s death in that they are in a place we’re it will be shrouded in mystery wano because of no outside links
Man I want Eneru to come back. I saw a post saying Kaido blows up the moon to stop the minks from Transforming into Sulong, and it happens to be the moon that Eneru is stationed at, bringing him back into the story.
*SO WHAT WOULD THEY DO OF HIM? If he is just defeated, after he gets uo, wano would be in danger again. If he gets arrested, theres nonuse just like the last 18 times he was arrested.* So, they're gonna tame him with Otama?
The power of friendship..? xD maybe he gets so humiliated that he actually manages to commit suicide at the end, some sort of Harakiri. This time he actually manages to do it because he actually want it.
This just made me think about something. Ace said he would never die. Dr. Hiriluk said people die when they are forgotten. Damn dude.after so many years we still remember the deaths of the great ones like whitebeard, Roger, etc.
If he was really trying to die, he could jump in water, or eat a second Devil Fruit He want a spectacular death, like Roger, Oden, Whitebeard (probably Rocks too)
Honestly, dying by jumping from a sky island is pretty great so him wanting grandious death checks out. But surviving a jump from a sky island is even more grandious.
I'm really looking forward Kaidō's backstory. It should give us a lot of information about Xebec and how he managed to have in its crew people with such strong will as Linlin or Newgate. They were at their prime when God valley incident occured (30 and 36 years old respectively), and they probably already had their dream in mind at that time. We don't know Kaidō's full name, neither its age, and his "dream" of having a strong army of beasts feels too light/pointless compared to the other two's. There must be something more, maybe a particular connection to Xebec... We have to wait for his flashback to understand what's going on.
The One that Marco saw a shadow flying to wano can be shiki , The Same pirate that shanks wants to talk about... Even oda says that there will be a reveal of a Lurking Legend... Ik it's unrelated to the video but i wanted to share this thought.
Your analysis made a lot of sense and I would also apply to Kanjuro. All he wanted was to die in a big stage and now (if he is really dead) he will never have the grand death he always wanted.
I found this channel a few days ago, and I REALLY enjoy the way you communicate and express your thoughts. I'm enjoying your videos and hope we can enjoy your content for a while. Take care!
Your videos are so good and show a deep knowledge of the Manga this is just amazing! I am from Brazil and here the youtube channels just make videos like "crazy theories" "power lv" and its just so boring. Thanks for your work
The world of Oda's One Piece is the inverse of Nolan's Batman, where the villains live long enough to be the hero. Villains don't often die because Luffy holds up a mirror to them and gives an opportunity to introspect, be challenged, change. How many of Luffy's antagonists go on to become his allies? A LOT. Luffy doesn't steal anyone's ambitions, he perfects them. These villains have noble dreams that along the way become corrupted by ego, power, zealousness. Luffy shows by example, the will to live for just ends through just means. Greatness in One Piece isn't about how you die, it's about how you live. Oden says as much in 987. "They can forget me for all I care. My soul will live on." Roger and Oden are demonstrating the transcendent will that leads others towards the good and noble path. Luffy has a mirror to hold to Kaido and the reflection is Oden. Kaido believes he overpowered Oden, but what will he see in the coming chapters is 9 ferocious scabbards, his daughter that identifies as his enemy, a weakling brat unafraid of death, thousands of honorable samurai willing to fight for Wano, and the unassuming King of the Pirates ready to put him in his place. The will of Roger, Oden, Luffy is meant to transfigure the world. That's the uncorrupted inheritance of the will of D.
So if Kaidou's dream is to create this great war and die in it, and Luffy is meant to crush the dreams of the villains, that would mean the raid on Onigashima is actually the final act of Wano and Kaidou will go down right here and now before he get to initiate that war? So your theory that the Fire Festival will end in failure may not be true after all. Cause if they fail to defeat Kaidou right here and now, the World War will begin right afterwards, he's not gonna sit there and wait for Luffy to recover and fight for round 2.
I feel like Morj is expecting the Fire Festival to end in failure in the sense that all the forces are defeated and Big Mom/Kaido just leave the heroes alone to chase after the ancient weapons. After the editors mentioned we are nearing the final chapters of One Piece, even if Wano is 200 chapters we probably only have 100 chapters to do the final arc. Shoving in Loadstar, Elbaf, Vegapunk, Laugh Tale, the final war... Wano gets to have all this build up and the rest of the story gets rushed to high hell.
Very interesting points you bring up! Esp. with Rocks. I wonder how Kaido thought of Rocks after Rock’s “forgettable” supposed death. Perhaps he lost respect for his former captain? And esp how his former crew mate, Whitebeard, outshone their former captain in the way of death.
I feel like Oda is gonna cancel you at some point, Morj. You’re closer to the One Piece than the Straw Hats.
Lol so true!!
Welp welp
Oda's gonna send CP9 to his door for knowing too much lol
@@TheSukari they’re gonna pose as his editors for five years, then kill him
The title always seems outlandish and farfetched but you always manage to convince me in the end
I think you're just an idiot
@@GOldenPROdigy115 who hurt u?
GOldenPROdigy115 how so
@@alejandrodominguez1758 Because only an idiot would've thought Kaido will die at the end of Wano. Same idiots who thought Yamato was male and It was so obvious she was female
the power of Mr. Morj's advanced conquerors. convincing you to believe in him
The worst type of punishment to inflict upon someone like Kaido would actually to just tie him down in Onigashima and leave him there to suffer for eternity. I think you're right: it's not really that he wants to die, but rather that he needs to be in control of the way he goes out. This also explains the Whitebeard line after his failed suicide, since he managed to go out in a heroic way even at an old age
Whose strong enough to tie him down for eternity
I dont think any one is that strong lol
Sounds similar to the Greek mythology punishment story of Prometheus
Or Moriah turns him into a zombie
Well...
Still tho, that won't happen.
One Piece is still kid friendly and such a fate seems quite traumatizing for such a light hearted story.
But that's an interesting suggestion nonetheless.
@@achaastheoneaboveall2732 dawg big mom ate her friends and parental figure
If Kaido kills one of the Scabbards they should totally remark how Kaido's death will never be as great as Oden to get the last laugh.
Andd all the Scabbard who die, will receive epic legacies that will forever be remembered. Thats why Old Man Hyo and Kinemon will die
@Eren forced me to write this That'd be terrible writing.
Well, one of the scabbards already died.
That would be pretty pathetic of them, just dying while saying : "you'll die like shit"
Seems like sore loser line to me
@@clydu91 Why, do you really think they'll take him down with just the scabbards? Kaido will probably slap some of them before someone else enter the fray
"Hey dude! Remember that guy Kaido?"
"Oh, yeah... what was of him?"
"Dunno, got punched on the groin by a rubber boy and no one heard from him again"
"Lame"
"Yeah..."
You my friend earn a screenshot 😎
So someone still remembers him... I don't want anyone to remember him, even negatively...
Thiru Malar Wbhy what's wrong with Kaido??
@@jcblazer0470 He is against the protagonist of a battle manga, nothing else... 😀
@@MrThirumalar I mean, he's a Yonko, it will take some time for people to forget about him, even if he loses.
Morj's camera is either really good or really bad, there's no inbetween.....
Seems like a One Piece character quirk. Lol.
Your analytical skills are Con D. Oriano levels. Mad respect.
@ConD oriano LMAO
@ConD oriano all you have to do is put a dot as the last name my guy
Tama will give Kaido a Kibi Dango, thats the ultimate defeat - becoming a kid's pet
What if Otama does that and Kaido become a bit friendly at the end of the war, and then we'll have a Luffy and the Others on Kaido as a dragon ball reference?
Nah I'm just trippin
@@gravito1573 lol
@@Toyhub2345 your name though
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That's slavery lol, too cruel to be done by the strawhats
I really like how Morj presents his points. As much as I love Ohara and Joyboy, watching Morj make these points with a mix of fitting manga panels and irl footage filled to the brim with powerful body language exudes a level of confidence I don't really see as much in other One Piece theorists.
Vinland D. Ragnar's narration comes close to Mr. Morj's confidence.
Morj is just a fucking beast, that's why!! xD
Sital Sitoula he’s washing all them other theorists
Shrekma male energy 😩
This isn’t difficult to believe when literally no vilain has died after 1000 chapters.
Except for vergo and Monet...
Vergo Monet pica
@@KaiserReb pica ain't dead
What about Vander Decken? Is he dead? I thought for a while that he was but I'm genuinely unsure. Oh and let's not forget Smiley, who died for The Lore.
The mountain bandit that kidnapped Luffy died. So, that's at least something.
I prefer the potato cam, this camera is way too good for my tastes
Bro that profile pic is truly something
Maybe Kaido will die isolated and alone, realizing he will be forgotten soon after he dies and never accomplishing his dream
Kaido will be like 😐 when he realizes no one heard his epic death speech
Yes, exactly. Came here to say this. Villains do not have their dreams fulfilled, but they will have them partially fulfilled. Still a possibility.
But no one will forget Kaido lol
@@kooganh6276 people thought that with rocks
@@raftel7440 ye rocks didn't one Shot our main character...we will always remeber him for that
"One Piece villains never get what they want."
I mean, Enel got to Fairy Vearth... But otherwise, the point stands
May be Enel isn't a Villian then, since he already got what he wanted... 😉 Question is, will it last ? Arlong had Cocoyashi Village for 8yrs, so it seemed he had his wish or part of his wish come true, except that Luffy happened to be arrive there to kick his butt... Same happened with Enel, Crocodile, Doflamingo, etc. May be Enel is again gonna get his ass handed over to him, by someone other than Luffy ?? After all, it is not like only Rubber is resistant to lightning... 😝
Wapol is also a king again
@@MisterPrince01 I forgot about that one
He didn't get to destroy Skypiea though and he lost the title of God
@@justbny9278 he did destroy skypiea and he still has the title he jus reigns over the moon now instead of the skypiea that he destroyed
Maybe the Orz fight foreshadowed this. A large creature, unable to die, is left broken but alive forever.
Oz was in a Fight whit the entire Crew, then Luffy came and finished the Job.
Maybe we repead it? Thriller Bark feels similar to this Ark.
Oars died though... ?
"Alive forever" yeah until Moria took the shadow
Speaking of Oars, i think it'd be really to see all the SHs fighting Kaido
Even if he (Oz) actually "died" at the end, I think the point still stands, so maybe it's not only that he (Kaido) won't die, but rather he won't be able to regain the standing he has now ever again, so he won't get another go, won't get another try, will be incapable of doing anything that gives him fame again (at least the way he has it now)
Is interesting how you just listed all the things every time-skip villain wants to achieve but failed to do... and still Luffy is going to do it anyway by his own. I never thought about it.
It's insanly genious of Oda... and someone should make a video about it!!
Is Luffy going to Fairy Vearth?
SehaChan the one piece is the moon confirmed.
@@SehaChan "wants to achieve but failed to do"
Ener didn't failed, he's one of the few Main Antagonist that didn't get fucked by Luffy, his plan went smoothly and end up with a big win for Ener, he got what he wanted
@@guifire9747 well he is in the moon but couldn't destroy Skypiea like he wanted.
@@Whoswhos12 That wasn't his main goal tho, his main goal was going to the moon, saving Skypia didn't hinder his plan the slightest
Luffy is set up to die for ages. He used a lot of abilities which reduces his lifespan (since gear 2), and there are many quotes refering to it.
Choppers dream would be fulfilled if he can stop Luffy from dying from shortening his lifespan
But that stopped at the timeskip when he mastered his Gear 2. It does not shortens his lifespan anymore. But I get it, in Impel Down Ivankov shortened his lifespan by 10 years in exhcange for a treatment. So the red flags are there, thats why I dont believe Luffy will die. The same way I dont believe Shanks will die to Blackbeard. Because its too of a washed up theory at this point and knowing Oda, he has bigger plans than all these popular theories. I trust he does.
@@nyongtory4e in marineford too i think, same as impel down, he got ivankov to boost him at great cost.
@@popkhorne5372 yeah in marineford he took those energy hormones again
Yes, but won't get to see that probably.
Oda has said he wants a happy ending, he likes happy enings and those pirate parties they always do when they win is the way to show an "everybody's happy" kind of ending, so he'll probably do the biggest party ever. And that's it.
Aaaand I'm totally fine with it too, myself :)
Morj : Why no one is killing Kaido
Me: Because his dream is to have a grand death and Luffy defeat his enemies by crushing their dreams and leaving them alive, which would kill two birds with one stone in kaido's case.
Morj: Okay, but what about talking of the actual topic in 11 minutes after some interesting digressions about grand death in one piece ?
Me: Well, why not indeed.
Honestly Morj, this might be one of your best videos.
I opened this up expecting it to be a new take on how Wano's story flows and what will be the most satisfying ending. Instead, it turned out you were concisely slicing open something I never directly thought about, but feels like such a central important theme to One Piece as a whole. Genius stuff.
Kaido has felt like a character we don't understand much yet, but it turns out, there's already been so much going on. Love it.
Kaido will THINK his goal of dying is achieved, only to be revived as a zombie by Moriah like his old Rocks crew mates
Brilliant. He'll do fine alongside Captain John.
Though, it's still only going to be Kaido's body, not his soul/mind.
it could also be something where in the one piece world his death is not remembered, news of the wano war will get out definitely, but what if kaido dies in an unflattering way. like based off the last chapter he had that memory of oden and went into a panic attack, what if throughout the fight he becomes genuinely afraid of death, until the end of the fight where he starts running away only to end up with a lot of wounds on his back.
Aaron Miles
Sounds horrible
Here's how I look at it: Kaido wants to start the world's greatest war with his self-proclaimed greatest army (which he just boasted about again in the latest chapter). If he and his army were to be completely wiped out in Onigashima, caught drunk and off-guard by an army less than a quarter of their size, composed of people they've enslaved for two decades, led by rookie pirates who are far beneath him in power and stature, that would be the most humiliating way for him to die. And it would be even more so if his longtime rival-turned-alliance-partner suddenly betrayed him in the last minute.
Compared to Roger and Whitebeard who managed to set the world alight in their final moments (even despite Blackbeard attempting to steal the spotlight in Whitebeard's case), Kaido being a footnote to the Worst Generation's rise to power without having done anything impactful to the world on his final moments would be poetic justice.
Exactly. Kaido said that he wanted to start a world war so if he met his end before that big giant war even started it would be a failure in his eyes
My thoughts exactly. Kaido can die here and his death would not be like Oden, Whitebeard, or Roger’s. I think Morj, for all his usual greatness, really missed the point here: Kaido hasn’t done anything since taking up residence in Wano. If he dies before enacting his plan, he’ll be remembered as a powerful titan who grew fat at home and was defeated by up-and-comers.
If you don't mind my perspective, this kind of reminds me of the story in One Piece Strong World. Shiki planned with his army of pirates and pirate captains to go to East Blue and destroy it. By crashing the party and crushing his plans they effectively ensured that he was stopped before he could begin his plan in earnest. It seems that a similar situation is occurring here. While Kaido has been setting things up in Wano for years, his announcements at this festival seem to be where he plans to kick things off and upon dealing with loose ends officially begin his great war. However, if he loses here, if he is humiliated, if Big Mom betrays him, then his plan will be stopped in its tracks before it can really get off the ground. In the end he would become similar to Don Krieg, Arlong, Hody Jones, Crocodile, and others. He will be seen as a person who had grand plans (albeit an extremely powerful person) who in the end was defeated by a bunch of rookies and lesser opponents before he could ever really begin them. He will be seen as naught but a stepping stone to the new generation of pirates. Mind you, these are just my opinions, but I wanted to join in. Also as a side note, I would point out that Whitebeard's final words (which seemed to be him trying to do something without considering the consequences for once in his life like Roger his old rival) did not only steal the spotlight back from Blackbeard but also the marines. Their execution of Ace and killing of Whitebeard and his crew was meant to reflect their superiority over even the strongest of pirates and show that the great pirate age was ending with the world government's victory. In his final moments, Whitebeard destroyed all that by taking the flame that the marines were supposed to extinguish and turning it into a roaring fire that engulfed the world.
Well, we know that Kaido regards Roger as a mighty pirate, but he thinks he was too soft, from chapter 970
Lol what if Kaido instead just had a pathetic death? He defeats the scabbards on the roof tops so he takes the stair case down, trips and gets kuina’d
Usopp shoots a devil fruit into his mouth and he explodes
😂 you two need to do comedy together
It would cool if it was orochi devil fruit usopp shoots into Kaido's mouth.
slips on a banana peel
@@boldandnew and then he explodes as a 8 headed dragon
People disappointed at Kaido being injured by the Scabbards
Lemme remind you, Doflamingo’s head was cut off by Kyros, ...
We all know how that went
That was a clone though and it was obvious that Kyros won't be the one to take down Doffy.
@@DieserOli2127 well it should be obvious too, that the Scabbards arent going to slay Kaido
dofflamingo aint dubbed the worlds "strongest creature"? Kaido was hyped out the ass only dude scarring him was oden and look how some samurai's that couldnt beat ceasar....couldn't beat dofflamingo.....COULDNT BEAT JACK QUEEN OR KING stab the invincible kaido
A toothpick can stab a human, a piece of paper can draw blood, would a piece of paper beat you in a fight? The samurai of wano are clearly shown to have very good armament haki and advanced armament which is clearly what you need to harm kaido. They dont stand a chance in a real fight but they can scratch him.
@@MrSlipknot25do you even read what you write? How can you compare the other Situations? Did they beat Kaido? Did I miss something?
man, now I feel bad the villains who couldn’t achieve their dreams...
Luffy the Dream stealer. Someone give Crocodile Pluton!
Crocodile crushed his own dreams by attempting to kill Nico Robin .
Luffy sucks, he holding everything back in the story. Luffy is a pathetic and badly written main character.
@@yonkobuster112 as you say so, FLEET ADMIRAL
@@yonkobuster112 Just kill the son of Dragon.
@@yonkobuster112 loooool
I hope we get more depth to Kaido’s goals like we did for Big Mom in her flashback
It weirds me out that people even think it's a possibility that we won't. o_O We got expanded motives for Senor Pink in a flashback.
One of the things i want to see the most is a Kaido flashback that shows his entire life, but i'm not sure we'll that much about him
I'm hopping it invoves his time in Rocks
I’m just really eager to get it. We really don’t know much about his motivations
remember that big moms flashback was after the tea party, the arc was reaching final stages when we got that
"Kaido won't die because that would give him what he wants: a grand death."
No. He can still get death, just not a grand one. If he lives, he gets to carry on, believing he has a chance to get what he wants. But dying a meaningless death is the only way to ensure he never gets what he wants.
Besides Enel did get what he wanted, to go to the moon.
@@Oramni27
Right: get what you wanted, but not what you really wanted. Not what you expect.
Villain tries to get X, simply because, in his misunderstanding, he thinks it leads to Y, which is what he really wants. So give him X, but not Y.
Maybe he gets utterly decimated by Luffy and flees in disgrace and is then randomly killed by Blackbeard?
Jonathan Francesco corny
Exactly, and to counter the Morj's point on saying dying in Wano would be his success - I disagree, and I feel that's why we were shown the Rocks story in the first place! Defeating Kaido in Wano wouldn't make him legendary or grand, he would just be a Yonkou replaced by Luffy, and Luffy's victory would trump and grandness of Kaido through history. He would be erased from the history of Wano, his death would not be grand or meaningful at all!
Kaido can still die, Kaido didn’t actually start the Wano war, the war was started by people trying to protect wano from kaido who sees wano merely as a base of operations to facilitate the war in the future. So if he dies in the wano war then he doesn’t get to realise his dream, the notion that Kaidos goals and dreams of grandeur peak at the Wano war doesn’t fit with his alliance with BM and the new onigashima project.
Not to mention he doesn’t have to have a grand death to die. As you say he, can choose how he dies but that doesn’t mean the death he chooses will resonate with the masses which was the key aspect of the grandeur to Oden, Roger and WBs death.
His crew is built off of fear and strength other than the all stars i dont see them caring that much, their mindset would probably be lets once again go for my own goals now kaido is gone.
Alliance with BM is just a practicality for both sides.
The people of wano who will be most privy to the war want him to die.
None of these groups are gonna have his death live on in their hearts bc of how good it was.
I get some of the points you make but the core to this theory is that villains dont get what they want and kaido wants a grand death. But it kinda lacks the thought as to what a ‘grand death’ is in OP (resonates with masses of people to motivate them and cement their memory, being just a couple of main aspects) and so skips to the conclusion that he couldn’t have a non-grand death and so therefore wont die.
If he dies on the Raid then he dies from being attacked while he was partying drinking and right after announcing that He would find the One Piece and that He would turn Wano into a Pirate Paradise and stuff
He would just come off as a rambling drunk weirdo who got killed while talking big and seemly not doing shit, right before the world got turned on it's head by whatever happened at the Reverie and the consequences thereafter
That was very well thought out. I really enjoyed the explanation on Luffy and enemies ambitions, and Kaido’s understanding of death in one piece.
Now that you mention it, I could absolutely see Kaido having a "why won't you let me die?" breakdown once he loses, maybe even giving us a flashback to Rocks' death and eventual obscurity.
You're my favorite OP theorist on youtube. Very calm, detailed and analytical.
Yeah, and once Luffy gets the One Piece, he will basically be the one who actually starts the BIGGEST WAR THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! So, sorry Kaido.
Out of all the One Piece youtubers i feel like you understand the story the best. You dont just follow the normal hype or power scalling formula. I would have never noticed this myself, but now what you said in the video makes so much sense.
Other youtubers: why kaido should die
Mr Morj: why kaido doesn't be killed
Also finding the Acient weapons as Crocodile failed to do. Great analysis, fantastic job 👌
Imagine Luffy dying at the end of the series and we get a panel of Kaido crying because he's jealous
Your videos are perfection. I hate that it took me so long to find you.
Luffy said a variation of that to Robin when she told him to leave her there to die. " Why should I listen to you?" At that moment she was weak and could not be in control of her death like she wanted
I don't know where you came from to pop up on my feed all of a sudden, but you sir are a narrative genius
I just thought of this: Assuming Kaido does die, wouldnt it be funny if the person who kills him was Orochi? xD (also assuming Orochi is still alive lol) Just imagine getting killed by this insignificant little bastard who you thought you already killed. The person that you beheaded so easily. And honestly this would tie back together beatifully to the theme of betrayal and back stabbing. The losers who ended up achieving nothing in the end killing each other. Man if this happens I want a virtual cookie from you Morj xD
i like your theory but i know fandom will riot if that happens
@@anaDportgas true hahaha xD
It would be such a pathetic death for him and it would paint Orochi as the mastermind and the biggest threat behind Wano even though he isn't shit
“Villains ...they’re not meant to achieve their goals”
That hurts
One thing I've always wondered is: since he's sunk so many of the Marine's ships, you'd think he's sink with it. And since he's a DF user / not a fishman this should be enough to kill him if there are no currents to bring him to land (a la Big Mom)
Wouldnt he then turn into a dragon and then fly away?
Monkey D. Chancho seastone cuffs
Was it ever confirmed he is a devil fruit user tho? I really don't remember
If not he could just be a dragon
That can turn into a "human" because mythical creatures
@@natiakane7049 so then seastones cuff wont work cuz hes a dragon by nature :)
@@guyfierieprotectorofthesau6089 Sea stone cuff don't prevent someone to use his DF abilities tho, it just weaken him (same effect as Sea water), if he's strong enough he can use his ability even in water (cf Sanjuan Wolf who casually walk in the sea without giving a fuck)
You have a keen observational haki for literature: i really appreciate you sheding the light on these ideas, buried in front of my nose in the pages of The Manga. Love your work, thanks! Regards
I really like this theory on kaido’s fascination with grand deaths as oppose to the common notion that Kaido is suicidal and is sad and no longer wants to be of this world. However, I also don’t believe Kaido truly wants to die. Where I actually believe Kaido is looking for a challenge. His hobby is suicide, not bc he wants to die but he’s interested in if anything COULD kill him. The sensation that he received from Oden, NEARLY dying, is what I believe to be what Kaido craves. That’s why his goal to start a war was so important: feeling the sensation of a challenge. Being a emperor for so long, has dulled his sensibility, and after fighting Luffy his outlook might change and he will realize what it feels like to NOT be the strongest creature in the world.
Killer analysis as always - the way you tackle Oda’s themes and connect them to events within the recent story is always a fun and engaging watch
just one thing to clarify, Ener achieved his dream.
Did he? He got to the moon, but not at all like he wanted to... Also he said that only 5 people would survive and that prediction failed massively aswell
While he did indeed make it to the moon, he did not destroy the sky islands and I do feel it necessary to point out that he was decisively defeated in battle before then. Instead of rising to the heavens as an invincible god, it was more as if he had to run to lick his wounds while he could still make it. He certainly got where he wanted, but not in the way he envisioned.
It would be so much epic if kaido say he wants to be killed by the coming pirate King Monkey Dy Luffy
But luffy won't ever kill somebody
Zoro will though. 😎
Luffy is ok with it actually, just his weapon of choice and plot doesn't let him.
@@revantobias8567 lol
Kid will kill him he is ruthless its his character and it wouldn't glorify kaido
@@revantobias8567 no itll be kid if it happens zoro won't do something if luffy ordered against it
The funny thing is, all the reasons you said as to why Kaido WON'T DIE, all are of my reasons as to why he WILL lmao
Irk poor Mr. Moji doesn't want to see his Boyfriend die.
3:05 This quote from Luffy is gonna be real interesting to go back to.
Imagine if Kaidos last words while his dyes standing: My captain the greatest rocks .D xebec is alive
Lol
As a literature teacher, I really love Mr. Morj's theories/analysis/discussions. They are so well structured and very objective. He just lays down text-based evidences as if you're in a literature class. Certainly my favorite OP channel.
I've said it before an I'll say it again, Mr Morj is savior of the one piece community. His discussion vids are unmatched, the only other one piece youtubers who are in the same league of Morj greatness are probably Ohara, grandline, and maybe brago (when he's not focus on power lvls) but that's about it 💯
Tekking101 too !!!
@@fast.food.ninjalarry954 Your right, and now I shall forever be shame for not mentioning the great cringelord 💯
@@timothypolanco8622 You are referring to him with his honorifics. I am pleased to meet another man of culture !!!
it's breath of fresh air. everyone else think the same. i even heard matt say kaido has to die. no he doesn't. Lmaa
Grandline review? That dude makes entire argument based off of nitpicks or opinions. He makes up "issues" about one piece based off of what he personally doesn't like. He is terrible at criticisms.
OOOH MY MY
you always convince the title till the end
and even explain how deep one piece is (or i am just a dumb)
"Speculative speculation" - Mr. Morj, Aug 10th 2020
Bruh your vids are lit!
Love them
Keep up the good work and research!
thinking about Luffy dying makes my heart sink
He better not die. He deserves to see a free world
Now that's what I call storytelling analysis! You don't disappoint.
Considering Oda likes Romance Dawn so much imagine if Spiel the Hexagon
the villain of the second variant of Romance Dawn the pilot of the OP
manga is actually what Rocks D. Xebec to look like and the cool shadowy
image of him we've seen in flashbacks is just an overexaggeration in
Garps mind. Or Spiel is his kid brother.
Every time I think about the end of One Piece I get teary eyed. I'll never be ready for this to end!
There's a huge flaw in your argument. He can die without having a grand death. Blackbeard or Big Mom or something tricking him and killing him using dirty tactics is hardly a grand death. He won't be the hero or remembered for great deeds. He's going to die as a villain without anyone caring.
He'll still be remembered as a freaking Yonko.
He's a Yonko, even if he dies hitting his toe he'd still be remembered
I have been following english and spanish one piece channels for years and honestly you are the best one.
Alright with the nothing can kill him, not even himself things.
Yeah of course it's hard to hit yourself, He's in a very akward position to apply force. It's not like Kaido can run at himself and give a full swing using all the right muscle. It's not like he can attack himself once he passes out. It's not like He keeps his strenght and still hit himself hardly enough after losing blood.
However, If Kaido magically obtained a perfect clone of himself and let himself get killed by his perfect magical clone, he could die.
Kaido can kills Kaido's perfect clone and vice versa.
It doesn't stop him however, from being a total badass.
Also, *terminal velocity* . Jumping from 10Km probably is the same as jumping from 500 m for Kaido. And he's so big and strong that what ever speed he falls at, compared to his skin, even ciment would cushion his falls. Ciment would give in and take most of the damages and crushing, so he'd recieve enough time and distance to get a low enough deccelerarion for his internal organs to survive. He'd need to be thrown from a Canon with rocket boosters in his back into a huge Pile of Graphene that's being pushed into him for a fall to kill him. Fall is a surprisingly very inefficient way for him.
Also, when he fell, he landed into dirt.
This was an incredibly good video, man! Definitely changed my perspective! So cool, man.
I mean if he die in onigashima AND everyone including yamato turn down on him, taking notes that current events are happening on top of a isolated mountain he can be forgotten that way ! No?
Wano will be opening its borders when Kaido is defeated. Thats like the whole point of all this. And Kaido is a global player and one of the strongest people ever. The news will make the round, no matter what.
Lxffy K. The Marines also know
Just wow.. your content never fail to amaze me.. best one piece youtuber!
They could've slingshotted a devil fruit into his mouth while he was in dragon form. I can't believe no one ever tried something like that throughout the entire series 😂
Man will probably get diarrhea but might otherwise be fine.
Did you know a Devil Fruit is not that easy to find right
Honestly one of your best breakdowns so far 👍🏽
I appreciate your stance Morj, but I think you're ignoring a very integral point in regards to why we say Kaido *needs* to die.
In Chapter 795, Kaido's introduction, it is said he was captured 18 times but he *escaped alive* every single time.
The only way to truly stop him is by killing him. Capturing Kaido does not work. So how is Wano saved? Kaido is defeated and then what? He'll just return. Unless you're suggesting some sort of redemption for Kaido?
Aofiji Yh it makes 0 sense and would just be repetitive also this isn’t the Great War kaido was hoping for
Maybe we'll just plot his final war with Big Mom and come into the fray on the last battle? who knows?
fixing his depression lol
@Ggs Bro Seems like a convoluted way to deny Kaido his dream when you could just as easily have Gekko Moria kill him.
They will throw him in impel down with extra handcuffs in a cell close to Doffy.
I stepped through this thought process in a reddit post a few months back. Like word for word. Nice!
I’ve always held the theory that kaido has an origin story of being a coward and being picked on growing up which was reinforced when it was announced he was the youngest member of the Rocks pirates. Kaido owes a lifelong debt to big mom, and I concurred that it had to deal with his monstrous strength. With all of this considered I think that explains his obsession with a grand death to prove his legend through this death.
That theory makes sense. That’d explain his shock/surprise at taking damage and also explains why he enjoys breaking people’s wills.
Lekan Osagie I think 986 was a telling chapter where he told orochi’s men they could die and have his respect or join him.
I've been wondering for a while now what the point of Law's fruit being able to grant immortality was. Luffy's not gonna get it, the rest of the story still has to have tension. Blackbeard's not gonna steal it, he eventually has to be defeated. But Kaido being cursed with true immortality? It's no coincidence that the one guy who has the power to grant immortality has that power introduced in a saga against a villain whose goal is to have a meaningful death. And it certainly doesn't feel like Oda has much use for Law after this arc, so this seems like a pretty good opportunity for Law to have a meaningful death himself.
And it would be interesting for the Surgeon of *Death* (Law's epithet) to go out while granting eternal *life* . The only thing that makes me kind of doubt this option is what Law's motivation would be. Because giving Kaido eternal life wouldn't help the alliance win. It would just piss off Kaido and ruin one of his goals. But I'm not sure Law would feel that that was worth dying for. The motivation for Law to give up his life just to ruin Kaido's dream seems weak.
Mark Hogan yeah, it is a bit of a long shot. I’m kinda grasping at straws here, tbh. It could happen, but I’d be fine with it not happening as long as the immortality ends up serving an actual narrative purpose.
I think you're making a faulty comparison here. Kaido's dream is to have a grand death yes, but him dying doesn't give him a grand death by default. Even within your video, you have given an example of a character who died (Xebec) and yet didn't have a grand death. So Kaido can be killed by someone other than Luffy (since Luffy doesn't kill) and still not have the grand death he wishes for.
Luffy have no obligations about killing
Agreed if for example Blackbeard swoops in like in Marineford and Kaido gets a chance to die like Whitebeard, he realizes he has nothing to say (unlike Whitebeard with "the One Piece does exist" speech) and upon realizing this he dies and falls, again unlike Whitebeard, who kept standing even in death.
I agree with the faulty comparison in that Kaido dying doesn't automatically mean the death is grand. Kaido could die a meaningless death, getting off screened or drowning in the ocean in the midsts of the chaos of Onigashima and people forget he was even there because of a greater evil.
I personally believe the only way for Kaido to end this story without dying is if someone gets SO strong, they can basically body Kaido into submission like he's done everyone else. From the sounds of the power scalers, that's not happening. So it's pretty likely he dies, or is chased out of Onigashima (or leaves it behind).
@@Blacklord876 ehh...I believe BB will get a zoan fruit, but likely not kaido's.
@@TehDalek I just thought of a potentially cool parallel, but i agree that Oda wouldn't make two big villains have the same devil fruit
A very similar plotline is seem in the comic The Order of the Stick (arguably my favorite story besides OP), where one of the secondary villains want to be taken down by the good guys to create a story that will always be remembered. The good guys simply beat him without killing him, inform him that he is not their main villain and move on to the next location.
Just here to remind everyone of Kaido's mustard gas. We could see the alliance get wiped out in just one chapter...
Kinemon creates mask for everyone.
Chopper * *exists* *
I really enjoy your videos, man. Love seeing them in my notification box!
You're assuming his death would be grand. If he finally came up against his own mortality and attempted to flee it would wipe out every other component of the 'greatness' of his death.
Edit: also our first proper intro to kaido was him trying to jump to his death right?? Not very grand next to Roger, Whitebeard or Oden
love how fast you talk. thanks!!
I just got to the part about rocks and that could be serious foreshadowing to Kaidou’s death in that they are in a place we’re it will be shrouded in mystery wano because of no outside links
Great analysis bro. 🙋🏾♂️
I am afraid for the Scabbards :( Kaido said he sobered up and. He will be serious and not taken by surprise anymore.
Yeahh some will die for sure
Love the new background!
there is however one villain who doesn't fit in your explanation: Eneru. he flew to the moon, achieved his goal
Man I want Eneru to come back.
I saw a post saying Kaido blows up the moon to stop the minks from Transforming into Sulong, and it happens to be the moon that Eneru is stationed at, bringing him back into the story.
CloudyDaze wow
@@starvac1835 I don't believe it as even a real spoiler, but man that'd be hilarious.
@@CloudyDaze sounds like DBZ
Didnt he want to go to the underworld?
Youve grown so much with your camera setup i remember when you used to sit on a brown couch with poor lighting 😭
*SO WHAT WOULD THEY DO OF HIM? If he is just defeated, after he gets uo, wano would be in danger again. If he gets arrested, theres nonuse just like the last 18 times he was arrested.* So, they're gonna tame him with Otama?
The power of friendship..? xD maybe he gets so humiliated that he actually manages to commit suicide at the end, some sort of Harakiri. This time he actually manages to do it because he actually want it.
yeah im surprised they didnt sink him under the sea in one of his 18th arrest.
This just made me think about something. Ace said he would never die. Dr. Hiriluk said people die when they are forgotten. Damn dude.after so many years we still remember the deaths of the great ones like whitebeard, Roger, etc.
You fools, small Chopper is the only one who can kill Kaido.
We can always count on you for quality discussions!
Pranav Udgikar 😂
Kaido has been trying to commit suicide he will take himself out
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If he was really trying to die, he could jump in water, or eat a second Devil Fruit
He want a spectacular death, like Roger, Oden, Whitebeard (probably Rocks too)
That makes sense too me too.. I just think the Oden thing got him shook which drops his Haki and that's why the Scabbards hurt him
@@logancrawford0319 Yeah, and let's not forget they put all their strength and haki to pierce his bare skin, he didn't have his own Haki on
Honestly, dying by jumping from a sky island is pretty great so him wanting grandious death checks out. But surviving a jump from a sky island is even more grandious.
I'm really looking forward Kaidō's backstory.
It should give us a lot of information about Xebec and how he managed to have in its crew people with such strong will as Linlin or Newgate. They were at their prime when God valley incident occured (30 and 36 years old respectively), and they probably already had their dream in mind at that time.
We don't know Kaidō's full name, neither its age, and his "dream" of having a strong army of beasts feels too light/pointless compared to the other two's.
There must be something more, maybe a particular connection to Xebec... We have to wait for his flashback to understand what's going on.
The One that Marco saw a shadow flying to wano can be shiki , The Same pirate that shanks wants to talk about... Even oda says that there will be a reveal of a Lurking Legend... Ik it's unrelated to the video but i wanted to share this thought.
Morj the type of guy to call an interesting idea that makes total sense "super duper speculative"
Kaido will follow luffy in the end. He will become the king of the pirate after all.
Your analysis made a lot of sense and I would also apply to Kanjuro. All he wanted was to die in a big stage and now (if he is really dead) he will never have the grand death he always wanted.
Just in time for dinner👌👌
Bro same
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Idk man.... Kaido is taking a beating rn
Your videos are so good and show a deep knowledge of the Manga this is just amazing! I am from Brazil and here the youtube channels just make videos like "crazy theories" "power lv" and its just so boring. Thanks for your work
The world of Oda's One Piece is the inverse of Nolan's Batman, where the villains live long enough to be the hero.
Villains don't often die because Luffy holds up a mirror to them and gives an opportunity to introspect, be challenged, change. How many of Luffy's antagonists go on to become his allies? A LOT.
Luffy doesn't steal anyone's ambitions, he perfects them. These villains have noble dreams that along the way become corrupted by ego, power, zealousness. Luffy shows by example, the will to live for just ends through just means.
Greatness in One Piece isn't about how you die, it's about how you live. Oden says as much in 987. "They can forget me for all I care. My soul will live on." Roger and Oden are demonstrating the transcendent will that leads others towards the good and noble path.
Luffy has a mirror to hold to Kaido and the reflection is Oden. Kaido believes he overpowered Oden, but what will he see in the coming chapters is 9 ferocious scabbards, his daughter that identifies as his enemy, a weakling brat unafraid of death, thousands of honorable samurai willing to fight for Wano, and the unassuming King of the Pirates ready to put him in his place.
The will of Roger, Oden, Luffy is meant to transfigure the world. That's the uncorrupted inheritance of the will of D.
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So if Kaidou's dream is to create this great war and die in it, and Luffy is meant to crush the dreams of the villains, that would mean the raid on Onigashima is actually the final act of Wano and Kaidou will go down right here and now before he get to initiate that war? So your theory that the Fire Festival will end in failure may not be true after all. Cause if they fail to defeat Kaidou right here and now, the World War will begin right afterwards, he's not gonna sit there and wait for Luffy to recover and fight for round 2.
I feel like Morj is expecting the Fire Festival to end in failure in the sense that all the forces are defeated and Big Mom/Kaido just leave the heroes alone to chase after the ancient weapons. After the editors mentioned we are nearing the final chapters of One Piece, even if Wano is 200 chapters we probably only have 100 chapters to do the final arc. Shoving in Loadstar, Elbaf, Vegapunk, Laugh Tale, the final war... Wano gets to have all this build up and the rest of the story gets rushed to high hell.
Very interesting points you bring up!
Esp. with Rocks. I wonder how Kaido thought of Rocks after Rock’s “forgettable” supposed death. Perhaps he lost respect for his former captain? And esp how his former crew mate, Whitebeard, outshone their former captain in the way of death.