How the Lack of Empathy Divides the Warcraft 3 Communities after Reforged 2.0...

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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @xetanth87
    @xetanth87  Місяць тому +9

    It seems like a lot of people don't understand the point this video is making. Some think I'm defending Blizzard, some think I'm bashing Blizzard. Blizzard isn't even part of this video. This is all about the players

    • @jeusmarcomascarina4102
      @jeusmarcomascarina4102 Місяць тому

      ua-cam.com/video/K36uqmGz9ic/v-deo.html boss try this I want you to play this in this channel. I understand what you saying, I really love the lorecraft series of tide of darkness. It's not about the graphics it's the miss management of blizzard they should never remove warcraft 3 orginal instead just shutdow the server if they can stand with that. unlike aom that really finish the work if reforeged really reforged on it's own the first place,

  • @lhfirex
    @lhfirex Місяць тому +21

    Refunds, son! They go up in response to bad remasters!

  • @javaesme4692
    @javaesme4692 Місяць тому +20

    It ain't a matter of reforged graphics, but a matter of breaking the game more and more with each release to the point where players that used to enjoy logging in simply dislike it. The fact that things are being forced on them is what people dislike so much.

  • @Defileros
    @Defileros Місяць тому +4

    i mean wc3 community spawned the dota fanbase, of course they lack empathy, regardless of Reforged or multibillions companies deserving none it, it's even hard to interact with it by how aggressive it tends to be, it makes starcraft brood war and 2 communities look tame in comparsion

  • @KaiserMattTygore927
    @KaiserMattTygore927 Місяць тому +19

    I hate what reforged did to WC3, haven't touched WC3 since before 2020, however, I 100% get the perspective of the models that used it and are now being fucked by Blizzard's next fumble. As an RTS game modder myself I know what that shit is like.
    But to me, the blame is all on Blizzard from start to finish, from the fumbles, to the community divide.

  • @Sebalarios
    @Sebalarios Місяць тому +9

    Yeah, as someone who created a campaign that uses exclusively HD models this can be a bit of a pain.

  • @asliceofloaf1984
    @asliceofloaf1984 Місяць тому +1

    Cool in a vacuum, but dont forget that the only reason they made 2.0 was to sell the $40 battle chest.
    I really really really hope I'm wrong, but based off their track record theyll just abandon WC3 again once battle chest sales die down. Maybe we'll get one more large-ish patch to sell a steam release, but i doubt theyre gonna make any more improvements out of goodwill.

  • @shosa9679
    @shosa9679 Місяць тому +7

    Doubt there will be much empathy for blizzard when they promise dinner from 3 michlein star restaurant and give you shit

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому +8

      @@shosa9679 this isn't about Blizzard. It's about how some people from the melee community keep saying the wish Blizzard would just remove the HD assets entirely despite mapmakers having invested a lot of time and effort into making maps for these graphics

    • @shosa9679
      @shosa9679 Місяць тому +5

      @@xetanth87 and blizzard trashing both instead of separeating them, classic and reforged

  • @Emmermi
    @Emmermi 28 днів тому +1

    I just wished they integrated classic hd with reforge campaign properly

  • @kokorogensou
    @kokorogensou Місяць тому +3

    real talk, the vitriol between so many communities in the bigger WC3 userbase is what makes me afraid of even participating in it, even as just a casual participant.
    yes, i hate blizzard for fucking up WC3reforged as much as the next person, it's difficult to see a game you've cherished for well over 15 years getting this kind of treatment from it's own goddamn developers. but please do not punish me for having even a modicum of hope that this patch is a step in the right direction. yes, there are MULTIPLE steps back in this patch that are a pain in the ass for everyone involved with this game on some scale or another, but even one step forward is better than none at all.
    i'll gladly take the L if and/or when wc3 doesn't keep up the momentum after the 2.0 patch. i've already taken several when i preordered years ago in bnet currency. just let me have hope in this moment.

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому +5

      @@kokorogensou i think Wc3 was better in the previous version before 2.0. They readded a lot of the old features and fixed a lot of bugs. Now 2.0 just bloats the filesize with 2 GB of ugly upscaled assets, breaks custom unit portraits and makes the old Reforged terrain inaccessible. Blizzard only talks to the melee community, since that's their primary audience, but the problem is that a lot of melee players couldn't care less if a new patch breaks custom maps and campaigns

  • @ribps289
    @ribps289 Місяць тому +2

    "hey guys we are trying to improve it!"
    "You failed REEEEEEEEEEEE"

  • @luxzhvs
    @luxzhvs Місяць тому +3

    Ay, I get it. I just ask Map makers to make both, or to have Classic models, whatever happens first, I will personally wait til said map dev has classic or classic/like models. Visibility, silhouette and art style a very important to me, and said campaign would need to be massively highly reviewed for me to even consider reforged models or graphics.

  • @pandaprewmaster325
    @pandaprewmaster325 Місяць тому +5

    Making the mother of all scams here jack!
    You put anger in the thumbnail and I have just watched inside out 2 what a coincidence.

  • @clone3_7
    @clone3_7 26 днів тому +1

    Problem is I believe better models could be present, but I simply do not see Blizzard having the balls of doing classic, classic HD, Reforged and a proper remaster graphic. All four would never happen. However I really would like to use the graphics they presented on one of their pictures. I partially understand the modders and the modding community, that they do not want to lose their assets and what they have created so far... but they forget, that reforged itself broke ample of maps and mods. There is always a risk, when modding for a game.
    Personally I would just add one more additional graphical option, but that is unlikely to happen.

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  26 днів тому

      @@clone3_7 in 2.0 they AI upscaled textures, named it Classic HD and called it a day. If they did this but touched up the icons in post to actually make them look good, less people would have a problem with it. Also Classic HD is part of the Reforged toggle which means you will play the Reforged version of the campaign which contain units with Reforged models that have no classic counterpart

  • @superfrycook6360
    @superfrycook6360 Місяць тому

    I felt disappointed, I was trying to make a custom map project that I tried to edit it, but it suddenly crashed for a few seconds.

    • @FrozenIsopod
      @FrozenIsopod Місяць тому

      it's messed up several different projects and many custom maps that are in development sadly

  • @karpai5427
    @karpai5427 Місяць тому +2

    Those like me. Should just ignore Reforged as Warcraft 3 is still free and available to play on Local Area Network.
    Nothing has changed since 2008. I think Garena is still online.
    People should not argue about Reforged. It isn't made for you.)))))))))))

  • @RiddleOfLightning
    @RiddleOfLightning Місяць тому +2

    is it really hd graphics tho if it's all AI now?

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому

      It's referring to Reforged graphics

  • @Gym_firebrand
    @Gym_firebrand Місяць тому

    How do I play the classic client if I just want to play the campaign the way it was?

    • @FrozenIsopod
      @FrozenIsopod Місяць тому

      just use normal classic graphics, it's the best and closest way to playing the original campaigns

    • @Mikefrost_Htet
      @Mikefrost_Htet 29 днів тому +1

      Install patch 1.26a to play classic (you can add nirvana mod for 4 more races to play in custom games).
      Or download the wc3 class forged mod (reforged beta graphics in classic client)
      Or another mod that's most complete but I forgot the name. The Spanish guy made it I guess.

  • @Asdfseh
    @Asdfseh Місяць тому

    Before reforged you couldn't make maps?

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому

      @@Asdfseh you always could

    • @StormKnight1
      @StormKnight1 Місяць тому +1

      Creation started speeding up real fast after the release of the Frozen expansion in 2003 and Post 2006 it really started to go above and beyond and it never went back.

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому

      @@StormKnight1 also after Reforged. Even SD projects like Alternate only happened because I came back to Wc3 for Reforged

    • @StormKnight1
      @StormKnight1 Місяць тому +2

      @xetanth87 maybe, The idea of reforged however in the 1.29 to 1.30 and 1.31.1 days were... not quite what ended up being...
      I wasn't even worried because I said to myself "it is impossible to mess up a remaster of this game even if you tried."
      Because I thought they didn't even need to do much, they just needed to not break anything and add some cool s***. And I knew a lot of people would be willing to take up what blizzard would be putting down and elevating it, they didn't have to make exciting new updates after reforged.. didn't need to, their community was stronger than the other RTS games, a different type of legend, In fact the community could pretty much solo all these other RTS games, they wouldn't even reach us not even remotely, they just had to get reforged right...they didn't have to do anything above that, Little did I know they would try to reinvent the wheel and fail by over designing it in every aspect.
      I guess blizzard just told me... stormknight, hold my beer.

  • @tamplier3724
    @tamplier3724 Місяць тому +1

    painful satire)

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому +1

      @@tamplier3724 while I am not the biggest fan of Reforged graphics, I think it's insane for people to say "Just remove them, no one likes them". Hopefully Blizzard doesn't listen to this idea. Sadly, some people misinterpret this video as me defending Blizzard, when it's defending people who enjoy Reforged graphics

  • @HloodHollow
    @HloodHollow Місяць тому +1

    I apologize for my lack of empathy.
    Could you please just give me the old game back before the reforge update?
    I was happy with everything, menus, graphics, the game worked great, can you just give me back the game I f*cking bought? You can figure out which reforge is better, i dont care, just GIVE ME MY F*CKING GAME BACK, period.
    I'd love to use the disk, but without the updates the Rexxar campaign will be incomplete, thanks.

  • @godspeed6318
    @godspeed6318 Місяць тому

    That 1 dislike is from Blizzard

  • @FlinnGaidin
    @FlinnGaidin Місяць тому +4

    Heh. 'Bout right.

  • @MrGaurdians
    @MrGaurdians Місяць тому +1

    Yes, we don't care about people who use reforged graphics, they are probably a World of Warcraft players. You see We Warcraft III fans do not recognize a World of Warcraft as continuation of the series. We hate WoW, bacuse it killed our beloved game. We see that reforged graphics are made to look like in world of warcraft, and new graphics are not good for story in warcraft III, they look high fantasy bullshit like WoW is.

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому +4

      @@MrGaurdians I disagree. WoW and Wc3 have cartoony models. Reforged models are hyperrealistic and not Warcrafty at all

    • @valeclaw1697
      @valeclaw1697 Місяць тому +2

      Reforged graphics look like WoW graphics? Bruh, how lmao. WoW is cartoony as fucky.

    • @xetanth87
      @xetanth87  Місяць тому

      @@valeclaw1697 I've seen people call Reforged graphics:
      1. Chinese game graphics
      2. WoW graphics
      3. Mobile game graphics 🤯
      I'm certain people just have no idea how to critique something they don't like. Hyperrealistic graphics is the correct name

    • @Mikefrost_Htet
      @Mikefrost_Htet 29 днів тому +1

      ​@@xetanth87I think the problem is reforged art is not fit for warcraft game. The terrains are cartoonish and models are being too detailed. It's a RTS game so unit colors are more important.
      Also why didn't they just update the classic client with Modern UI and adopt or hire the modders like valve did for Dota.

  • @-WarCriminal-22
    @-WarCriminal-22 Місяць тому

    My main problem with Reforged is the fact that I can't buy it. Afaik Blizzard wouldn't let Russians buy it. Also Reforged has new VA (unlike English version) and it made Archmage sound GAY.
    I don't really care about HD graphics, if they got polished since release that's cool.

    • @Saelendious
      @Saelendious Місяць тому +2

      Эй, ранимый натурал, ты озвучку хоть чекал после 2019? Её ему сменили еще до релиза.

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 Місяць тому +1

      озвучка после этого всё равно лучше не стала.
      Это Испанского языка тоже касается.

    • @-WarCriminal-22
      @-WarCriminal-22 Місяць тому

      @@Saelendious нет, не чекал. Поугарал с перековки да ушёл обратно в 1.26 играть)

    • @juldris4180
      @juldris4180 Місяць тому

      ​@@Saelendious дело не в этом, а в том что Близзы сделали переозвучку халтурно и к "великолепному стандарту" английской озвучки. Как выше сказаны остались помимо русских еще и испанцы, поляки, т.к. она значительно отличалась от той старой, что было крайне хорошо адаптированы под свои регионы чем то, что мы имеем сегодня.

    • @Saelendious
      @Saelendious Місяць тому

      @@juldris4180 перечитай мой ответ ещё раз, про это я вообще ничего не говорил, так что не понимаю зачем ты мне это адресовал. Мне самому не по нраву переозвучка рефорджа. Претензия была к шизовой доёбке челика про О ХОСПАДЕ ГЕЙСКОГО (КАПСОМ) АРХИМАГА которого пофиксили перед релизом. Абсолютно пустой доёб о пофикшенной проблеме, которая того челика как игрока на 1.26 вдвойне не касается.