Updated part 2 - ua-cam.com/video/wJb3zNtiv4E/v-deo.html - I test the exact same Open Beta build 2.8.3.38090 - and re-run the benchmark. Both benchmarks in this video are run on the same build of Windows 10 Pro, HAGS disabled, same Nvidia driver version and control panel settings and windows power plan. Both runs on Reverb G2 at native resolution @90Hz, same custom VR high setting.
Hi.. Nice to see a more up to date VR benchmark comparison. Assetto Corsa is my go to game and i'd like to see how the 4090 performs with a decent field of cars at reasonably high graphic settings in VR. At the moment I'm running a 3080ti with an 8700k cpu and 3600Mhz RAM and the cpu is the 'slight' bottleneck, so I'm thinking of a cpu upgrade myself
Yep that's on the list 👍 I have some 12900K/4090 AC Benchmarks already however there's been game updates and Nvidia driver updates since then so I'll need to re-do them again on the 12900K for a fair comparison to 7800X3D. Thanks.
you can deffinetly see some significant frame time spikes goin on in your dcs window that is absolutely contributing to the lack of smooth paning/flying. Once that those spikes are turned into a flat line it runs fantastic... that said... with MT beta I"ve seen a excelent jump in vr, so much so I can turn up the resolution in pimax crystal. I do notice though in resource monitor that one of my cores (#6) on my 7950x3d cpu is maxed out to 99% but all the other cores are getting workloads no higher than 60% some way down to 12% ... Wondering if that work load could be devided how much more headroom I would have to adjust graphics.
I would be very grateful if you could take a peak at the performance after that little patch ED made for the AMD chips. Did it increase the FPS with the 7800x3D?
The AMD Benchmark used the latest Open Beta build at the time www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/changelog/openbeta/2.8.4.39313/ which should include the AMD update they made in the build before. The Intel benchmarks is running a slightly older build from a couple of weeks earlier.
Hey man, thanks alot for this informative video. It helped me in considering an i9 over the 7800x3d. I care more about VR performance than anything else when planning to upgrade my PC. It's hard to find benchmark videos for VR users.
Hey man, I’m confused.. Should I get i7-14700K or AMD 7800X3D? I’m actually getting this PC from a friend and he already has a i7-14k with 4080 super for 1.7k usd.. Is the i7-14k good CPU?
Thanks for the comparison! Is it possible for you by chance to run this in the same version of DCS? I don't know, if the different versions of DCS might affect VR. Also - have you used the same NVIDIA driver version in both cases?
Same Nvidia driver but different builds of DCS since I dowloaded it a couple weekes after the 12900k benchmark. I'll have to lookup how to down grade the 7800X3D DCS version and try again or wait until I move the 4090 back onto the 12900k and upgrade that.
I’m looking at building a new pc this summer. I’m fairly sure I’m going intel with a 4080. I don’t just do VR and flight sims, I play a lot of wow and have been building pcs since I was 16. It’s been like 4 years since I built my 2080/9600k system and it still eats DCS with head tracking and max graphics with stable 60fps. The VR isn’t bad either with the g2 reverb, I get stable 40fps with graphics turned up relatively high in some places, but it does suck not having high def shadows and a proper view distance so I’m not relying so heavily on radar until those last 4 NMs which makes it hard to dogfight unless I’m in a slow boat like the f18 where I can just go vertical and stop midair to look around lol
Keep in mind it’s release year for next gen AMD/Intel CPUs and NVIDIA 5090 expected Q4 (meaning used 4090s coming on the market). I’d potentially wait if you can, unless you find an amazing deal.
mmmmh bad news for who like me was thinking to take a 7800...... seems a sort of unoptimization on amd architecture..... ;( the CPU was really un loaded.
Yeah looking at the changelog for the Normandy update it does mention "Fixed a core's layout on AMD processors like AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D (core group with lesser L3 cache size now used by IO pool only)" which could mean for that CPU they prioritise between the V-cache CCD and the standard one, so maybe that dual chip performs better in DCS than the 7800X3D. The different v-cache twin CCD design put me off though.
@@HamVRits hard to tell, sim game like DCS have to be managed by a sort of sync clock to sync everything, is not strange that ghz are more important that L3..... but i hope to be denied by ED with some update
@@HamVR I thjink that both cpus would do better without HT. Strong cores are better and more than 8 cores I think that games don't really use well, I mean give more performance.
Can someone give me some advice one what I need to upgrade. I have a 3080ti with 64gb of DDR4, with a I9 11900. I get pretty poor performance in VR. Medium/low settings and I'm only getting 36fps with occasional screen tearing.
Most people tend to be GPU bound playing in VR. I had a 3090 previously, and moving to the 4090 was a big upgrade. I would do that first and if budget permits upgrade the CPU after thr GPU. The AMD 8950x is due early next year so I would go for an AM5 socket motherboard if buying today.
Thanks for the video. Do you mind sharing the sku (or Amazon link) of the ddr5 used on the 7800x3d system? I’m having issues finding a stable ddr5 expo kit for my build. Thanks in advance
Hi I'm using these CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K which seems a good speed and latency for the money. Saying that, my ASUS B650 TUF wasn't stable at 6000Mhz with the Expo settings so I lowered the speed down to 5800Mhz to get a stable memory stress test. That could be just the latest BIOS or that board or my particular CPU. amzn.to/3LWe3oH
No joke. This is exactly the same thing I thought. My 7800x3d gets high CPU usage and I believe it is because of vr. I wish I could find vr benchmarks with my 4090 and comparing the 7800x3d, 7900x3d and 7950x3d. So lame pc vr hasn’t caught on enough yet.
Hm I've seen several tests that show the x3d CPUs perform great in DCS. This is the only one that shows different results. Just saying because if someone looks up just 1 test and it happens to be this one, they might make a mistake when shopping for their next CPU.
It's not that the 7800X3D performs bad, it just with this older build it performed better with the Intel CPU with more threads/core available. They've probably impoved the thread management in latest build for the AMD cpu by now.
I don't own either at the moment so it was either going to be this comparison or the just the 7800X3D in isolation. I might swap the 12900K for a 13900K at some point if the price drops further.
@@HamVR I’d recommend the 13700k if strictly for gaming. Even the 13600k can be OC’ed to 6ghz and match the 13900k in most games. 13th gen has a lot more headroom compared to 12th.
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Updated part 2 - ua-cam.com/video/wJb3zNtiv4E/v-deo.html - I test the exact same Open Beta build 2.8.3.38090 - and re-run the benchmark.
Both benchmarks in this video are run on the same build of Windows 10 Pro, HAGS disabled, same Nvidia driver version and control panel settings and windows power plan. Both runs on Reverb G2 at native resolution @90Hz, same custom VR high setting.
Iracing please.
All racing sims please 🙏
Thank you!
Thanks - I'm looking into building a 2nd PC for specifically DCS & VR. This was helpful.
Hi.. Nice to see a more up to date VR benchmark comparison. Assetto Corsa is my go to game and i'd like to see how the 4090 performs with a decent field of cars at reasonably high graphic settings in VR. At the moment I'm running a 3080ti with an 8700k cpu and 3600Mhz RAM and the cpu is the 'slight' bottleneck, so I'm thinking of a cpu upgrade myself
Yep that's on the list 👍 I have some 12900K/4090 AC Benchmarks already however there's been game updates and Nvidia driver updates since then so I'll need to re-do them again on the 12900K for a fair comparison to 7800X3D. Thanks.
Thanks. I'll make sure I watch out for the video
i would like to see in i9 13900k aswell
can you benchmark DCS when Eagle Dynamics drops the 2.9 patch?
you can deffinetly see some significant frame time spikes goin on in your dcs window that is absolutely contributing to the lack of smooth paning/flying. Once that those spikes are turned into a flat line it runs fantastic... that said... with MT beta I"ve seen a excelent jump in vr, so much so I can turn up the resolution in pimax crystal. I do notice though in resource monitor that one of my cores (#6) on my 7950x3d cpu is maxed out to 99% but all the other cores are getting workloads no higher than 60% some way down to 12% ... Wondering if that work load could be devided how much more headroom I would have to adjust graphics.
I would be very grateful if you could take a peak at the performance after that little patch ED made for the AMD chips. Did it increase the FPS with the 7800x3D?
The AMD Benchmark used the latest Open Beta build at the time www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/changelog/openbeta/2.8.4.39313/ which should include the AMD update they made in the build before. The Intel benchmarks is running a slightly older build from a couple of weeks earlier.
What about iracing? That game always smashes my cpu.
How big is the impact of FOVeated rendering ?
Im out of the VR tuning for quite some while, but this lookt like it may be worth a shot again.
Hey man, thanks alot for this informative video. It helped me in considering an i9 over the 7800x3d. I care more about VR performance than anything else when planning to upgrade my PC. It's hard to find benchmark videos for VR users.
I’d hold out for the 9800X3D at this point.. and for DCS players maybe the 9950X3D if both chipsets have the 3D cache this time.
@@HamVR It has only cache in one of them. Sorry! Anyway, I prefer 9800x3d to 14900k.
Hey man, I’m confused..
Should I get i7-14700K or AMD 7800X3D? I’m actually getting this PC from a friend and he already has a i7-14k with 4080 super for 1.7k usd..
Is the i7-14k good CPU?
At this point go for the 9800X3D if budget permits. I'm probably going to swap to that myself soon.
Thanks for the comparison! Is it possible for you by chance to run this in the same version of DCS? I don't know, if the different versions of DCS might affect VR. Also - have you used the same NVIDIA driver version in both cases?
Same Nvidia driver but different builds of DCS since I dowloaded it a couple weekes after the 12900k benchmark. I'll have to lookup how to down grade the 7800X3D DCS version and try again or wait until I move the 4090 back onto the 12900k and upgrade that.
@@HamVR Thanks!
Just overwrite the folder with the other version of DCS! @@HamVR
What about without ht in both cpus?
Damn here I was thinking this would be a good upgrade for my VR rig. Would love to see msfs2020 results.
I’m looking at building a new pc this summer. I’m fairly sure I’m going intel with a 4080. I don’t just do VR and flight sims, I play a lot of wow and have been building pcs since I was 16. It’s been like 4 years since I built my 2080/9600k system and it still eats DCS with head tracking and max graphics with stable 60fps. The VR isn’t bad either with the g2 reverb, I get stable 40fps with graphics turned up relatively high in some places, but it does suck not having high def shadows and a proper view distance so I’m not relying so heavily on radar until those last 4 NMs which makes it hard to dogfight unless I’m in a slow boat like the f18 where I can just go vertical and stop midair to look around lol
Keep in mind it’s release year for next gen AMD/Intel CPUs and NVIDIA 5090 expected Q4 (meaning used 4090s coming on the market). I’d potentially wait if you can, unless you find an amazing deal.
mmmmh bad news for who like me was thinking to take a 7800...... seems a sort of unoptimization on amd architecture..... ;(
the CPU was really un loaded.
Yeah looking at the changelog for the Normandy update it does mention "Fixed a core's layout on AMD processors like AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D (core group with lesser L3 cache size now used by IO pool only)" which could mean for that CPU they prioritise between the V-cache CCD and the standard one, so maybe that dual chip performs better in DCS than the 7800X3D. The different v-cache twin CCD design put me off though.
@@HamVRits hard to tell, sim game like DCS have to be managed by a sort of sync clock to sync everything, is not strange that ghz are more important that L3..... but i hope to be denied by ED with some update
@@HamVR I thjink that both cpus would do better without HT. Strong cores are better and more than 8 cores I think that games don't really use well, I mean give more performance.
Can someone give me some advice one what I need to upgrade. I have a 3080ti with 64gb of DDR4, with a I9 11900. I get pretty poor performance in VR. Medium/low settings and I'm only getting 36fps with occasional screen tearing.
Most people tend to be GPU bound playing in VR. I had a 3090 previously, and moving to the 4090 was a big upgrade. I would do that first and if budget permits upgrade the CPU after thr GPU. The AMD 8950x is due early next year so I would go for an AM5 socket motherboard if buying today.
Thanks for the video. Do you mind sharing the sku (or Amazon link) of the ddr5 used on the 7800x3d system? I’m having issues finding a stable ddr5 expo kit for my build. Thanks in advance
Hi I'm using these CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K which seems a good speed and latency for the money. Saying that, my ASUS B650 TUF wasn't stable at 6000Mhz with the Expo settings so I lowered the speed down to 5800Mhz to get a stable memory stress test. That could be just the latest BIOS or that board or my particular CPU.
amzn.to/3LWe3oH
Can you compare to the actual competitor of 7800x3D instead of expensive i9? I.E the i7 13700k ?
No. I don't own any other CPUs.
No joke. This is exactly the same thing I thought. My 7800x3d gets high CPU usage and I believe it is because of vr. I wish I could find vr benchmarks with my 4090 and comparing the 7800x3d, 7900x3d and 7950x3d. So lame pc vr hasn’t caught on enough yet.
Hm I've seen several tests that show the x3d CPUs perform great in DCS. This is the only one that shows different results. Just saying because if someone looks up just 1 test and it happens to be this one, they might make a mistake when shopping for their next CPU.
It's not that the 7800X3D performs bad, it just with this older build it performed better with the Intel CPU with more threads/core available. They've probably impoved the thread management in latest build for the AMD cpu by now.
what about 13700 and 13900?
I don't own either at the moment so it was either going to be this comparison or the just the 7800X3D in isolation. I might swap the 12900K for a 13900K at some point if the price drops further.
@@HamVR I’d recommend the 13700k if strictly for gaming. Even the 13600k can be OC’ed to 6ghz and match the 13900k in most games. 13th gen has a lot more headroom compared to 12th.
That doesn't seem right. Doesn't the extra l2 cache really benefit vr?
Can you test a 14900k?
WarThunder VR - sim battle
Good good ryzen 6000mhz cl30, i9 4800mhz cl40 🤣🤣🤣 - Where did you come from?
Awful RAM speed and timings for Intel side.
That was first gen DDR5 when the 12900K launched.