Patton Oswalt on Paradise Lost
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Patton Oswalt reacts to Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky's landmark 1996 documentary Paradise Lost.
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Love these longer videos. I am sure it takes more time and effort to make but would love to see more
This is the most interesting video thus far on this channel because Patton Oswalt clearly knows a good deal about this case and apparently was involved in benefits and efforts for the defendants.
The contextualistion of this documentary is excellent here. It's almost like Oswalt is doing a commentary not so much on the film but the case itself.
An excellent video here
...Oswalt
@@writeralbertlanier3434 💯
All three of these movies are a wild ride
There's a 4th movie after they got out of prison called "West of Memphis" with a lot of people including some of the parents of the victims admitting they were wrong.
@@xdami4nx what!!!! Now I have to watch that right away
4 dipshit u don't know nothing about this case!Adults are talking
thank you
Some people still believe the three were convicted because they dressed in black?
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Someone needs to direct them to
the 'Callahan' SITE on this case and
the BOOKS by 'William Ramsey' and
also by 'Gary Meece' on this case.
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Ironically the docs made them look more guilty to me, which you'd think someone like myself that enjoys metal and is into horror films and wasn't similar to others around me (mixed kid who enjoys those things) would empathize more with them. The fact that one of the doc creators ended up marrying Echols also made the docus come across as even more biased in retrospect. Celebrities being attached to the case just didn't come across well either, why should someone believe their innocence just because celebrities took it up as their cause du jour?
Over the years more and more things came out that just didn't look good for the three (more so Echols) so I've never really bought into the narrative that the docus presented (and have kept an open skeptical mind); and that's what these "documentaries" were, they had an endgame narrative and made everything revolve around that. The three could be innocent but this was more so the defense laying our their case without any rebuttal from the prosecution, so I never formed an actual opinion based on the docus.
how on earth did the movies make them look more guilty??
I believed the documentary at face value when I first saw it. But in retrospect it was extremely biased and they left a lot of key things that really show their guilt. I recommend looking the case up on your own. They can be outcasts, underdogs & hated by their Christian community and also commit heinous crimes. Both can be True
@@kribke I looked it up myself and they're obviously innocent. They were victims of 'Satanic Panic'. What evidence shows their guilt? What's the smoking gun? Damien Echols did himself no favors by playing it up like a gothic edgelord, but that is not evidence of his or their guilt. They would not be free today if they were actually child killers with death sentences...even most of the parents who thought they were guilty in this documentary fought to have them freed. They tricked a mentally handicapped boy into "confessing" a crime he and 2 other boys did not do. It's shameful.
@@kribke Funny, lots of things "clearly show their guilt" yet you don't give a single example. Either provide examples of shut the fuck up.
Have u ever read the court transcripts? They are 100% guilty. And I was someone who watched those docs and was incredibly moved by them. It was nothing but propaganda.
The west of Memphis doc is exhilarating
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Actually ... West Of Memphis ...
the Paradise Lost trilogy ... and
... Devil's Knot ... are ... nothing
more than ... both propaganda
and public relations campaign
efforts created by Hollywood.
The full facts regarding this case
can be found at the 'Callahan' SITE
and in the BOOKS that were written
by 'William Ramsey' and 'Gary Meece' .
.
Those guys are fkn guilty.
Horrifying
I went to grad school in sociology at Berkeley & I met Dr. Richard Ofshe, who was one of the expert witnesses who testified about false confessions in the documentary. When I asked him about the movie, he actually did not like the documentary at all. He thought that the documentary was too arty & ambiguous in the sense that it actually held back about depicting how ridiculous the case was against West Memphis 3 & he thought the movie was made by a bunch of artsy Sundance types who just wanted to get critical clout by making a documentary about Arkansas "white trash." So I'm glad to hear that Patton concluded the kids were obviously innocent when he watched the movie for the first time.
Let's not confuse a documentary with a work of investigative journalism. There was serious evidence against them.
👆who ordered the feeble 'hot take'?
No, there wasn't. It's so funny how people like you always say this....yet NEVER actually go on to give examples of their guilt.
You want a hot take? I'll give you a hot take. Maybe they did do it and now they're more powerful than you will ever be. Go sit on the bench, you little bitch. Jealousy will get you nowhere.
There was heavily flawed evidence against them that a growing cadre of experts systematically discredited, as documented thoroughly in four documentaries.
From this to Trump, all makes sense.
Patton is the other extreme and just as blinded by his own tribalism.
In what regard?
@@calebm9000Stop trying to bring logical debates to UA-cam. Inflammatory, halfbaked conspiracy theories only 😊
@@calebm9000
For one, he says the three were convicted because they wore black.
@@regzzuse280 The whole story around this case was kids being targeted as being demon worshippers because they wore black metal shirts, so I don't see how it's that off base.
@@calebm9000 naw its cuz damien had disturbing beliefs..his state of mind and view of the world was very dark and even had delusions..it was his own history of mental health and violence toward children and animals that made him a suspect...even his own mind and mouth worked against him spewing all that stuff about he murder to the officer... DAMIEN was his own worst witness against him....exhibit 500..
Did he record this before peter jackson’s West of Memphis? That’s a must see 4th chapter to this series IMO.
LOTR Peter Jackson?...just looked and holy shit TIL thanks
What's the difference?They're guilty
@@jackhackett80now I gotta look
Tarantino on Misery plz
Wow haven't seen these in years was an HBO doc and those were always top notch back in the day
*THIS VIDEO CHANGED MY LIFE*
Why are you now planning to get away with murder?
This is why I personally don't believe in capital punishment. I don't want my life in the hands of the state. There are countless innocent people in jail, and countless innocent people have been put to death for crimes they didn't commit. I can't imagine how it must feel to be put in that situation. The one kid was such a badass that he didn't even want to sign the paper to get out of prison because he wasn't going to sign a confession to a crime he didn't commit. He'd rather spend the rest of his life in jail than give them the satisfaction - the same kid that kept saying during the trial, "I know we didn't do it, so I wasn't afraid of going to jail." The only reason he even signed it was to get his friend out so he could see his Dad - who was sick and dying. Everybody involved in that case and trial should be so ashamed of themselves they can't sleep at night. Those kids deserve sainthood for what they went through. And this horseshit still goes on.
I remember the documentary and being scared (I was a kid) but growing up and watching it again I was frightened for a different reason.
Me too they're out and can do it again 😅
One of the great moments in one of the documentaries was when the junk science of survival knife blade impressions on the bodies of the victims was exposed. The prosecution maintained the three defendants had used a survival knife to scratch at the bodies. The defense convincingly argued that the dead kids had been bitten by turtles in the creek where they were found. The prosecution experts were terrible.
Yes, this was a great moment, for sure. "A Rebuttal of the Predation Claims" on thewm3revelations. The wounds looked nothing like something that came from turtles, one of the kids (that was mutilated) died from the wounds, the other 2 drowned. Also there was a lot of blood at the crime scene, which showed up on the luminol test. Even Peretti, who wrote the autopsy reports, argued against the turtle theory. Because it's so insane and he at least knew what turtles look like. It can't be backed up in any reasonable way, it's just "turtles did it".
@@greenneonsky No, turtles did not do it. They were killed by someone otherwise known as a human. Turtles were in the creek and they bit the bodies. They had nothing to do with how the boys died. Unfortunately any marks on flesh can be misinterpreted. The prosecution presented fantastical theories and the WM3 did not have an adequate defense which they certainly deserved as citizens but which was not provided. The interesting thing though is how the defense and prosecution can present different theories but which in fact may not be the truth. Also one must look to motive and the other rare instances where a police department allowed biases to sabotage an investigation. If you have Netflix check out American Nightmare. The Vallejo, CA, police department publicly insisted a woman faked her own kidnapping. They were completely wrong.
@@spinsandneedlesThe theories from the prosecution were not that fantastical though IMO. I thought so too, when I first heard about the case and then I started to doubt it more and more. The kid bled out, according to Peretti, he could be wrong, but if the defense had a good rebuttal, it could be shown in the retrial, when they would have some very good lawyers and experts on their side. But there was just an Alford plea. From the prosecution's side of the story it was more like a thrill kill done by 3 teenagers and Echols was the one with interest in the occult and he was also the ringleader. The more fantastical things were about him and when I looked up his work, he is an interesting person today too. Also the reason why he could be looked at in the first place can be found in Exhibit 500, his medical records. The satanic aspect is way more focused on by the media, but it was more about him having a lot of problems prior to the murders. That could be a huge bias too but they have to look into people who stand out and it's not like the police focused just on WM3, there were other people they were looking into. None of the 3 convicted had alibis, for example, they were all picked apart. Also you can read the answers Echols gave to the police (2 times he was questioned) before Misskelley confessed, on Callahan, if you haven't read it before. Just some very strange answers. Also comparing Misskelley's confessions to the crime scene and the autopsies. There are many things that are very sus for me, it's not just about the wounds. It is interesting, how 2 sides can present 2 completely different theories. Michael Peterson's case is the one I looked up before and I just didn't know what to think about it. Thank you for recommendation, I will look it up.
@@spinsandneedlesAnd just because you saw in the documentary that turtles bit the bodies, doesn't mean it's true. The autopsies, the photos. The documentaries about the case are extremely one-sided.
@@greenneonsky Right, the documentaries are intentionally one-sided. Everything is one-sided if you haven't noticed.
So in the end was it the hypocrisy?
the amount of ppl who still think those 3 guys did it is astounding
theres no love like christian hate
"i wAtCheD a 90 miNuTe dOcUmEnTaRy sO i kNow wHaT i"M taLkiNg aBoUt!"
I'm guessing that the ppl that still think they're guilty probably sat thru the entire trial, or read the court transcripts as opposed to watching a movie designed to trick u into thinking they didn't do it.
How did kids transport bodies without a car?
@@TakinErEasyHere..transport ? The three murdered children were killed in the Robin Hood Hills. There was no transport. Did you somehow miss the luminol pictures ?
Having researched this case exhaustively for years and years, it was very clearly Terry Hobbs. The timeline of the evening, things he said, behavior he exhibited, it's not even a question at this point. And he'll never ever be held accountable.
If only Terry Hobbs had worn a Metallica T-shirt, maybe then the police would've taken him seriously as a suspect.
lol. The evidence against the Damien Echols and the other two was overwhelming. They clearly did it. "bUt i wAtcHeD thE dOcUmEnTaRy!"
@@arthurrimbaud7287 Yeah man, you got me.
@@sacredcoww
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For anyone who ‘ thinks ‘ that ~
‘Terry Hobbs’ ~ should be seen
as ~ an honestly "valid suspect" ~
in the case of the ‘West Memphis
Three ~ Chi!d Ki!!ings’ ~ please be
advised that ~ due to ~ the fact that :
(1) THE ~ HA!R ~ !$ ~ N0T ~ A ~ MATCH
and
(2) even if the hair ~ were ~ actually ~
a match ~ !T’$ PR3$3NCE ~ could be
( and ~ it HA$ B33N ~ BY most EXPERTS
0N ~ ‘ B0TH ’ ~ $!DE$ of ~ the WM3 case )
~ easily ~ EXPLA!NED - AWAY ~ BY ~ the
notion of ~ ‘ $3C0NDARY - TRAN$FER ‘
and
(3) P0L!CE AND FB! ~ having ~ $TATED that
~ H0BB$ ~ HAS ~ C0MPL!3D - W!TH ~ their
!NV3$T!GAT!0N$ ~ in every way ~ AND ~
he !$ ~ N0T ~ seen as being ~ A $U$P3CT
and
(4) multiple other reasons
… no serious - researcher … of
the case … believes that Terry
Hobbs or John Mark Byers or
David Jacoby … were … in any
way … involved … in the ki!!ings.
THE ~ FB! ~ CAN ~ also ~ C0NF!RM ~ THAT
~ THE ~ ‘ HA!R ’ ~ that has been alleged ~ to
have been ~ ‘ found ’ ~ in ~ a ~ ‘ knot ’ ~ in
~ one of the shoe-strings ~ that had been
used ~ to tie-up ~ one of the chi!dren ~
!$ ~ N0T ~ A ~ MATCH ~ T0 ~ E!THER
~ Terry H0BB$ ~ 0R ~ to ~ his friend ~ at
the time of the ki!!ings ~ David JAC0BY.
AND ~ in all ~ judicial and !ega! ~ fairness to ~
THE ~ WM3 ~ defense-team ~ they ~ NEVER
~ actually ~ CLA!MED ~ that ~ THE ~ ‘ HA!R ’ ~
WAS ~ A ~ ‘ MATCH ’ ~ T0 E!THER H0BB$ 0R
to JAC0BY ~ but rather ~ what they said was
that ~ the hair ~ _” could not rule them out ”_ ~
( WH!CH ~ !$ ~ clearly ~ N0T ~ THE $AME
thing ~ A$ ~ that of ~ being ~ A ' MATCH ' ) .
!R0N!CALLY enough ~ THE ~ ‘ HA!R ’ ~ !$ ~ actually
~ ' AN - EXACT - MATCH ' ~ T0 ~ something like ~
over 4-mi!!ion ~ 0THER ~ !ND!V!DUAL$ ~ !ocated
in the United States ~ alone ~ ( N0NE ~ of whom ~
ARE ~ E!THER ~ Terry H0BB$ ~ 0R ~ David JAC0BY ).
!N ADD!T!0N ~ THE ~ ‘ HA!R ’ ~ !$ ~ also ~ actually
~ ' A - PART!AL - MATCH ' ~ T0 ~ something like ~
over 27-mi!!ion ~ 0THER ~ !ND!V!DUAL$ ~ !ocated
in the United States ~ alone ~ ( N0NE ~ of whom ~
ARE ~ E!THER ~ Terry H0BB$ ~ 0R ~ David JAC0BY ).
The dna ~ in the hair is ~ ' mito - chon - drial ' ~ and ~
so ~ it would be ~ ‘ worthless ‘ ~ to any investigator
~ because ~ ( just as ~ the WM3 ~ defense-team ~
has ~ openly -- stated ) ~ it means ~ that ~ its very
presence ~ can be ~ easily explained-away ~ by ~
the ~ proven - concept of ~ ' secondary - transfer '.
EVEN DAM!EN ECH0L$ / M!CHAEL
HUTCH!N$0N -- HIMSELF -- HAS --
PUBL!CLY -- ADM!TTED ( as was seen
in his Interview with ‘ Tim Pool ’ ) --
THAT -- HE -- N0 ~ L0NGER ~ FEELS
~ THAT ~ E!THER BYERS 0R H0BB$ 0R
JAC0BY ~ ARE ~ ( 0R $H0ULD C0NT!NUE
T0 BE $EEN AS ) ~ ' $U$PECT$ ' ~ in the case.
ECH0LS / HUTCH!N$0N … IS ... ‘ N0W ‘ ... ‘ CLA!M!NG ’
... ( just as he has … stated … multiple times … such
as in his interview with ‘ Tim Pool ‘ ) ... THAT ... he
… ‘ now ‘ … believes ... that … ' A - D!RTY - C0P ' …
‘ IS - THE - “ REAL ” - K!LLER ’ … and … has … also
noted that … he’s … decided … to …‘ not ‘ … reveal
… ‘ the - name ’ … of … ‘ the - cop ’ … who … he …
‘ claims ’ … he … ‘ now ‘ … feels … is … ‘ the “ real ”
ki!!er ’ … and … he’s … stated that … his … ‘ reason ’
… for … not … ‘ revealing ’ … ‘ the - name ’ … of …
’ the - cop ’ … is … that … since … he … was … ( by
his own admission ) … wrong … in his … ‘ guessing ’
… and … ‘ accusations ’ … about … the … two … (2) …
completely-innocent … and yet … wrongly-accused
… step-fathers … he does … not … want to …
make … that same … _ahem_ … _‘ mistake ’_
… again … for a … third … (3rd)… time).
AND ~ partially ~ DUE T0 ~ the ~ recorded ~ fact ~ of ~
EVEN ~ Michael Hutchinson ~ ( a.k.a. Damien ECH0L$ )
~ himself ~ ( repeatedly and publicly ) ~ $TAT!NG ~
( such as in his interview with ‘ Tim Pool ‘ ) ~ that
~ HE ~ N0 ~ L0NGER ~ _'$UPP0RT$_ … THE …
_’HA!R-!N-THE-KN0T_ … TH30RY ... ( $!NCE !T
!$ … ' N0T ‘ … ‘ A - MATCH ‘ … to either man ~
and ~ it’s mere mitochondrial-dna whose very
presence can be so easily explained-away by
the clear concept of ' secondary - transfer ' )
~ and ~ he’s …‘ now ‘ .. ‘ claiming ‘ … to believe
that _" a dirty cop "_ in the area was who he …
_‘ thinks ’_ … ‘ did the crime ‘ and “ set him up ”
... Terry H0BB$ EX-W!FE, PAM, HAS since,
publicly-RECANTED HER $TATEMENT THAT
SHE TH0UGHT !T … ‘ C0ULD ‘ … BE H0BB$ ~
( and she has noted that she was battling with
an addiction-problem back when she made
those statements ) ~ and has apologized to
Hobbs and they have rekindled a friendship.
Terry Hobbs’ daughter, Amanda, has also recently
publicly-recanted the accusations that were once
made against him and there are multiple videos
found online of her statement recantations.
Interested parties are advised to … watch … the … Roberta
G!ass / (‘True Crime Report') … Podcasts on this case -- AND
-- visit … the … 'Ca!!ahan' … Website on this case -- AND --
review … the … 'Wi!!iam Ramsey: !nvestigates' … !nformation
on this case -- AND -- see … the … Jennifer Car!son … Gary
Meece … Josh Diaz / (’The Lab’) … Lisa 0’Brien / (‘Based In
Fact’) … Rick Mu!!enax / (‘Burn After Reading’) … and … Ed
0pperman / (‘The 0pperman Report’) … UA-cam channe!s
… along with … the … multiple other … channe!s and sites
and podcasts … that provide both interviews and reports
… for much more detail on all of both the dna-evidence
and the circumstantial-evidence …that’s been found …
in regards to this case … (along with commentary
pertaining to Echo!’s ' Tim Pool ' interview and the
break-up of his friendship with ‘ Jason Ba!dwin ‘.).
.
A great *MUST READ* book on this case is called
-- *"ABOMINATION: **_Devil Worship and Deception_*
*_in the West Memphis Murders"_* -- which was --
written *BY* -- famed attorney *WILLIAM RAMSEY* .
.
Also -- can anyone explain WHY it is that ECH0L$
does N0T want the BL00D that was found 0N the
P3NDANT / N3CKLACE that he was wearing at the
time of the ki!!ings -- 0R -- the $3M3N found on the
s!acks that had been worn by one of the chi!d-victims
-- also provided with a ‘testing’ of the DNA evidence ?
Asking for a friend …
.
Patton Oswalt on Milk (2008)?
The whole thing was a clown show. Did the 3 do it? Who knows. Celebrities got involved and who's to say how much their influence swayed people involved in the case. Probably the strongest case to not publicize court cases until after the fact.
They did not do it. You can criticize some alternative theories that they put forth but it was a clear miscarriage of justice.
What a moronic take my dude
What do you mean? The documentary obviously didn't come out until after they were convicted. What celebrities were involved in the trial?
@@fdsfsdfsd1552 Who said celebrities were involved in the trial? Lol what? I sure didn't. Celebrities were involved doesn't even come close to saying they were at the trial. They did have plenty to say during the time the trial was going on.
@@LuridContent - Which celebrities were "involved" with saying things during the trial, and what were they saying? All I'm aware of is celebrities saying things _after_ the trial.
Damien Echols opened my eyes to so many things, and that was before I knew about any of his past. Such a good documentary!!
Really ? Have you read Exhibit 500 ? That will truly open your eyes about Damien. I highly recommend it.
@@erin.v.m657 Fascinating! I've watched many of his recent podcasts and it is so interesting to see the evolution of someone truly seeking and doing the great work. Honestly, if you step back and look at his whole life it confirms that what he's doing and believes in truly works for him and I wonder if we believe in anything hard enough.... Thanks for the recommendation!!!
I watched this document too, and I honestly thought they were guilty
Are you a police officer?
Plot twist they did it.they had to pley guilty. To get out of jail.but the Metallica sound track is great.but seriously the doc had the crime scene videos. It was hardcore when it came out. This is a crazy American crime. Gave me nightmares for years.
If we look at what has happened to culture since the 60s then maybe there was something to panic about?
Ah the 1950s when everything was perfect... for a select group.
Yeah, the growth of right-wing detached-from-reality everyone-I-disagree-with-is-a-demon Christianity has been a serious problem since the '60s, and it's been fueled by the Internet. It's helped bring our political system to the brink of ruin.
@@ChristopherBlackwell Boo Hoo
@@EddieHenderson92 don't cry, things change. Better just move on.
@@ChristopherBlackwell LOL you poor little fruitcake.