I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I don’t plan to make videos like this, I will continue to play Genshin and upload positive content, but this was just too important not to make a video on it. I love this game and I’m still excited for what’s to come, but you can still love it and acknowledge its flaws. Let me know your thoughts below!
He has to speak up, he was overly positive and voices of concern started to appear that he and Bran are paid by Hoyo to only focus on positives + have greatly increased gacha chances for their accounts (Far higher rates to get earlies/multiples than normal players, who can't get double for like 2-3 years or early for months, so there are voices that they have increased rates to invite new players to play genshin as it is "so rewarding"). Drama affects f2p and barely paying people, while whales are comfortable because they can buy themselves anything due to money of their subscribers.
@@shinotsurubushi6229Anyone who unironically thinks this guy has some magic account with guaranteed luck needs to strap their tinfoil hat on tighter cause they’re morons.
And its doing a damn fine job so far, considering how interest in the game is plummeting, revenue is falling off month after month, and many Genshin players have moved over to HSR since it released Imagine how rough it could get when the game actually has a direct competitor within the same game genre (we all know what the upcoming gacha's are). Mihoyo has to step up their game if they actually care about genshins health in the long term
@@goonmaster9000bruh genshin revenue aint falling off it literally makes same as hsr or even more and the playerbase? The amount of players playing genshin has peaked in 2024
@@AgagaHahah-u2j no no it's not in the video but just in general like seeing him talk about these things cause yeah it's a pretty big thing I started just back in November before Thanksgiving and in just a short amount of time I can tell what kind of people are genuine and Doro's one of em
@@onepunchman4128 actually doing something to actively hurt them > just talking about it and pat yourself on the back. Its kind of amnoying how people are happy cc's are forced to talk about it. Oh wow dude it got 200k views vs 60 million players world wide. Oh btw its still 3 fates, they did not budge even a little.
As someone who has a lot of friends that stopped playing Genshin even if they were invested, they all had the same reaction when we talked about this.. they all agreed that this is one of the reasons they stopped playing.. it’s kinda sad because the game is amazing
Even my brother stop playing now am using his account he told me I can sell it if I want he is ar 57 with many 5 star but because of the stingy rewards and lack of game content he just lost interest
Yeah, loved the game when I was playing it, but the gameplay grew stale, and I couldn't remedy that by playing with different characters due to the game being too stingy. That's why I joined in and then stopped playing during the 2.1 Qiqi revolution
@@Tempest27 Was the same for me. Was over ar 50 and had a lot of 5 stars (Ranging from Venti to Albedo to Itto) and I got so bored when Sumeru came out and just gave up. Like the gameplay and grinding got so repetitive that I lost interest.
I stopped playing due to the enormous size of the game. Usually whenever I try to come back into the game I always inadvertently discover that there's some drama one way or another. It's pretty bad if you ask me; especially since most of the drama around the game tends to be pretty reasonable (creator drama, I don't really care about)
I'm a rabid player, probably 800+ hours worth of time invested in the game, and I was totally unaware of any of this drama because I've always avoided the community like the plague. 😐
Me too lol I just enjoy playing the game, that I'm always completely oblivious of major drama or the toxicity of the Genshin community. I don't even have Twitter, so I can't imagine how nasty that side of the community is 😅
I completely agree with this. I put so much time into the game that I haven’t had to spend a single cent. I have a C6 Eula and get hate for it. My partner has twitter and when we see how toxic the Genshin community actually is we go radio silent. It’s just sad how toxic people actually are.
this community gave you geo buff (geo shields used to be effective only against geo), scaling systems, more than 120 raisin, the ability to still use your characters while they’re on expedition and many more things, that I’m sure you’ve been ignorantly enjoying. So yeh, at least stay quiet if you’re not able to comprehend or help.
The true story is not only 4.4, version 1.4, 2.4, and 3.4 also give players 10+3 pulls. This year before the live, there were many bot accounts following genshin official account, which was weird at first. Then after the live, those bots suddenly unsubscribed and some social media started to spread the 3 pulls negative content. Who did that, we all can guess。
@@mio-hj4wk yeah that the case it still the same but in the livestream they are saying its for 3-year of appreciation but the rewards is still the same, like what!? you give 5-star limited character to star rail after winning an award for the first time (eventhough genshin already got an award multiple time and they only give us 800 primogem everytime) and for 3-years of appreciation for genshin you just give us the same reward every years + 3 wish, its insulting for me and other players loyalty to the game since launch atleast for me😤
i 100% agree. replayable events should be even prequisites for some quests. Like some events drop LORE. As a player that began in 3.7 I missed a crap load of events. I was forced to watch some videos of past events. Like why cant they be be available like hangouts and story quests?
Yeah...and maybe some way to get previous weapons. I was WAITING to see xinyan (and albedo but theres his hangout quest) and i didnt until last years lantern rite. I got her as a character before i see her
Honestly, that is something we all want , but given that it's a mobile game , it already requires a huge amount of space , having all the events as character story or something will just make the game take up more space . Like for me currently it's 26 GB on my mobile , so 😅
Yeah totally agree. I started around 2.5 or 2.6 I think and I heard that some of the back stories of characters are from events so I didn't know. I like your suggestion where they could add it like hangout or story quest. It means we could also get the weapons from those events too .
@@TuhinSarkar-gu3vythey could just do like it is for the language of the game, letting you download whatever quest you want to play and delete it after you're done
The game have amazing teams in story , world building , gameplay , voice acting etc , its sad that the only thing the game is messing is listening to players especially when they release surveys for players opinions very often and still ignore them
I feel like if Hoyoverse doesn't do anything about this, this could potentially be the beginning of the end of Genshin Impact. I've already seen people say that they might quit by the end of the year if they keep treating us like this.
i just dont understand , its not that serious. sure, im sad i dont get a free five star but is this really the end of the world? like this is what we are screaming and crying about ?? there are two wars going on right now and 3 wishes is what we are screaming and crying about ?? i just dont... think its that deep. like i understand being upset but i just do not understand why this is the biggest evil that could happen???
@@runa_7022I mean that’s kind of the whole point of why we are doing All of this it’s because some people are just accepting that this new game that just came out gets essentially more money and more time and way better rewards whilest Genshin impact players get a$$ rewards and let it sink in that that 20 pulls is for 2.0 not even an anniversary whilest we only get 13 like bro what part of that seems right and some people are just accepting it like that’s the whole reason y Genshin isn’t doing anything if u really want those good rewards u might wanna get mad at them a little sure we all love the game and don’t want to see it to end but imo if it does get to such a point where people stop playing because of this we will start to see change so I really hope u can start seeing the right side of this.!
@@runa_7022let me ask u this- let's just say that you've worked at whatever job u have for years and your boss doesn't appreciate your hard work or dedication after SO many years.. How would u feel? That's basically what this feels like people are dedicated to something they love and cherish..but the company seems like they don't give a shit I mean come on this game has been out for what 4 years? even if it's just a game the devs should be more generous with their fans- and I'm not gonna bring up wars cus that literally has nothing to do with this.. If u wanna talk about wars then bring that up in an actual conversation that involves a crisis
@@runa_7022 keep being like this we will get treated worst the rewards sucks it's hard being a f2p like that also the amount of space it takes with all that they can't do the least thing for the players
True. When WuWa comes out I am one of those people who will definitely shifr and leave genshin for real if they don't change and I am a new player! I would play both if genshin change and do some of the requested changes.
I stopped buying welkin and BP for genshin after HSR 1.2 I diverted my genshin funds on HSR because they gave more rewards. Also they raised the BP cap to 70 WAY more worth it than GI shitty BP 😂
Here lies the state of Genshin, where the minorities wanting their voice to be heard are asking for "a little", while the 95% of the playerbase who didn't even know about this situation, nor care, just keeps playing casually.
I want to say thank you for this video! A lot of people thought you would never say something like this because you were scared of the backlash from Hoyo. Thank you for standing up!!!! You still have my respect Doro!!!
I’m really glad that an official partner on the game is talking about this. Genshin is amazing, I really do love it and don’t plan on stopping to play anytime soon- but I think this situation should definitely be resolved.
thank you so much for this doro i'm actually crying lmao i'm just so upset, it really does feel like a slap to the face. we just want this game to be good man. it's so damn incredible to see so many ccs come together to talk about this on here and to demand change because the current state of genshin is not it. all we can do is hope they listen.
Ikr same boat pulled a QIQI and uninstalled bro why won’t they add end game content we spent hundreds of hours building our characters for literally no incentive or purpose?! They claim they don’t want player anxiety when their entire business model is anxiety inducing fear of missing out 😂 I’m done getting gaslit by Chinese CUCKS
One of the biggest QOL improvements I want is having the Interactive Map actually track your progress instead of you having to manually do it, which has already taken me 10+ hours JUST for finishing Mondstat and a little of Liyue.
Same, I didn’t use it untill fountain and now I have Sumeru and inazuma half explored but I don’t know which electrocutes or dendroculus I did get and which I didn’t get. Also I don’t know what chests I have so it takes so much longer to walk around finding things I need to explore yet
Same! Or add a gadget like the one from the event nefore 4.0 that shows stuff on the map. Imavine a 1 time use compass that reveals everything in 1 "named area." Cost the same as a normal compass but its a consumable. Get it at ar60.
I appreciate so much how you calmly and respectfully shared your issues with stagnate changes to the game. I wish more content creators would take this professional and less aggressive approach. It gives the community a voice for real concerns that can have the opportunity to be better received because it doesn't sound unhinged. Thank you for such great content!
This doesnt work everytime, positivity is a great trait to have as a community only if the Developers Reciprocate. While i really appreciate Doro there is a dire need of guys like tectone to raise voice till they have to respond because at this point developers just do what they want to and our voices dont even reach them. The backlash was comming since dehya got released and after 3rd aniversary rewards and 100% rightfully so.
@@Takudayo I never said anyone else who has spoken up shouldn't have, I was saying that having someone speak up in a respectable and professional manner is better for the community. For instance, I have the the same concerns, but I know if I voiced them in an aggressive or childish manner they wouldn't be taken seriously and I would be seen as a nut.
I'd say his take and Atsus take were my favorites. Straight to the point and realistic. I'm all for criticism bc it's definitely needed. The excessive negativity is becoming to much imo. It's nice seeing someone calm and collected with their take on the whole thing.
As an old Summoner's War player (another turn based gacha game), 3 additional pulls is a huge slap in the face considering other games like SW gives 100 pull during special events like their anniversary. Yes, you have to work for them by doing a bunch of quests over a period of a week or so, but it is still 100 pulls.
😮i never thought i would see a fellow summoners war player. i’ll confirm that they do give more during anniversary but every game has its own flaws at some point. i’ll just say i completely agree with you.
Summoners war is a bad gacha game to compare to though, because although the rewards are quite a lot, the actual rates to get the highest tier characters are much, much worse, and with zero guarantee, I've had a friend who went way over 100 pulls with zero good mons, so yeah... There's also FGO, and quite a lot of other gacha games with no pity system & terrible gacha systems. On the other hand, there's also gacha games with both generous rewards and good pull rates with many ways to grind almost all resources in f2p-friendly ways. So I honestly don't think genshin is the worst in terms of gacha rates, but it definitely deserves that title when it come to currency & rewards, and also the energy(resin) system (other games do it way way better). So yeah not the worst, but far from the best...
I kinda wonder whether this issue would have caused as much uproar if Genshin hadn't phrased it so poorly, considering people were already coming in with low expectations anyway. It's interesting to see HYV's history of poor communication causing backlash within the community.
truth is there are many things that have to change in genshin and theyre being ignored all the time so problems are gathered and more and more so a small mistake makes an uproar for all the problems left unnoticed. pretty natural
that was just the straw that broke the camel's back, this dev team has been shitting on their players for way too long and people were hoping it was just a matter of time... it wasn't, nothing will change unless the CN community actually makes their voices heard cause they're the only one that matter to hoyo
There are honestly way more important things going on in this world than some game not giving us more fake, meaningless currency for an event...like, idk, the genocide happening in the east??? That our government officials are supporting and endorsing???? Like cmon man, this isnt even a problem, it's so petty and meaningless. Boo hoo we didn't get more free gacha pulls, unless you're addicted to gambling I don't see why that should be such an upsetting thing that you go so far as to call it a "problem".
Play other game man, variety is key to keep gaming in general fresh. If you don't enjoy a certain game, then just stop playing it. You can comeback later on if you see its worth it or not. I mean Hoyo not even listening to players is always an issue since release. Not surprised they still are when its still pretty big gacha player base compare to other gacha (not as it used to be cause people left).
Really glad you're talking about this Doro. Only talking about it on Twitch isn't the same as you're YT channel, it is a so much bigger platform for you and can reach a bigger audience. So thank you for posting this here.
Big fat good this has done. The patch will release in about 12 hours time and there's still no announcement from Hoyo regarding the rewards. All that backlash and no response. This is how much they value our social media presence. Only money talks. So long as the majority are happy to continue spending, this is the best we're gonna get.
@@lvnna It is the truth Cao Haoyu is one of the co founders of hyv he was in charge of honkai impact 3rd for the first 3 years, the rewards were a** then when genshin launched, he became the one in charge, and until now the rewards are catastrophique he stepped down from his position as ceo but is still running the genshin dev team, he is the one in charge of all the rewards and any QOL in genshin
As a total F2P player who loves Genshin and does her best to save up for five stars (or even four stars) she really wants, this really does feel like a slap in the face. Not even a full 20 pulls, not even HALF of 20 pulls is all Genshin can think to give to us. There’s a lot in the game I think they could definitely add but they just don’t listen to their players. Like, one thing that has always bugged me is that Spiral Abyass doesn’t even give you a FULL ONE PULL for each floor you complete. It’s ten primogems short. I also play HSR and I enjoy it a lot, but I gotta say the way they treat HSR players is so much different and it’s clear why it has so much fans and why there’s so much backlash against Genshin from its own players. It doesn’t cost them to give us the things we want, in fact, it’d benefit them more because they’d get more money in response! Hopefully, this comes back to bite them. I hope all the whales can come together and really hurt their wallets. Then maybe they will listen. (Also, as a huge Thoma fan, I also think Genshin sucks cause there’s no thoma content lately + they have never let him go outside of inazuma while ayato and ayaka did for the past event 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽 genshin do better)
@@mio-hj4wk Yes it's mainly Star Rail but it's not just about the freebies. It's the fact that Star Rail, a newer game, gets the features Genshin players have been asking about since before Star Rail came out.
@@mio-hj4wkeveryone is mad because it's been 3 years and the rewards are still shitty and HSR gave out a 5 star character for free by just winning an award.
Appreciate you covering this topic, hopefully even more content creators get onto this and genshin finally sees a vocal community that wants change and improvement.
I heard that the old notorious worker who is known to be stingy in HI3 moved to genshin. So the stingy one is that man who gives shitty rewards. - So hopefully that man leaves genshin team
He is so late in addressing this problem its laughable, tectone started showing the problem to the people and then the other creators like doro ,xyox etc etc had to make videos about this after him.
@@azureemarald5722Better late than never. Tectone pioneered constructive criticism towards genshin, and he's still getting shit and death threats from its community for it. Which is fucking ridiculous if you think about it. People need to chill, en masse.
Its not just star rail, there is also Honkai impact where it seemed every few months they would release an earnable 5 star character/weapon and character skins. Plus in the store you could also buy the pieces for getting yourself a 5 star character/weapon. Meanwhile in Genshin they refuse for some reason to give out better rewards. Especially now that the game is going into its third year.
For players who spend money in Genshin impact these rewards are slap on their face but for totally F2P players like me 3 intertwined fates is a punch on face 😢
Actually I think its the opposite lol, as a whale who is whaling less and less, I don’t really care how much freebies they give me as giving me 3 pull vs 20 pull isn’t going to make much of a difference to me. What I’m more concerned about is harder end game contents. Once I got a couple c6 characters, nothing is challenging anymore so I end up whaling less often.
@@drkInxgud i Agree with you but as an F2P player collecting primos is very slow and time consuming and i only play Genshin for 2 hours or less in a day. And if I want any specific character it would take very long time.
the direct solution is definitely more fates, but I also feel like there could be so many other adjustments that could make life easier for f2ps. standard 5* selector every x number of standard banner pulls expanded 4* shop 4* selectors for important events, 5* selectors for very big events idk there's quite a lot of things the game could do that would make it so much easier for new players and f2ps both to get in and stay in the game
just thank you for making this video. Positivity can also be toxic and I, initially being form the sims community, know all too well how it can ruin the game and the experience. Hoping that Genshin won't go down the same route.
As a fellow ex-sims player, I full heartedly agree. Genshin took the sims place as my splurge game. And I’m trying my damnedest to not spend on HSR now because of the Genshin team’s mockery towards the player base.
Something my brother and I talked about the other day was how bad the rewards are for Adventure Ranks. We were saying that once you hit AR60, you should get a free five star character of your choice and you get their signature weapon as well as enough ascension materials and money to level their talents to 10 and level them to 90. So basically you’d get a free and fully built (minus artifacts) character as a “thanks for playing”
I think this is highly unrealistic. Maybe a character or a weapon could be viable but getting a full built 5* character of choice with his/her sign weapon is just wishful fantasy
Honestly that’s ridiculous imo, it’s nice but extremely unreasonable. The rewards for level are trash rn, yes, but THAT is insane. Maybe a free standard 5* or a bunch of primos
@@shairamiyukiR.He was forced to make video bcz of misunderstanding from other player they rationalise doro for his recent tweets about genshin even though ik doro is the happiest and cute content creator but some people just wanna think that happiest creator is kinda sus meaning they get paid for sponsor that why problem of player who just look very negative way
@@luckypatil453 I meant good for him don't misunderstand. I saw his tweets and watch him from time to time. It's not like it's his first time mentioning bad stuff like this, it's just that he tends to lean on positive side more. Not like it's bad or something, I just think he avoids drama because he doesn't want it.
I feel that whether or not we get what we want, Hoyo should at the very least communicate. Be it just talking about the troubles they have coming out with the improvements we want or just generally giving acknowledgments to these problems and not take us as a player base for granted.
1. Replayable past events 2. Self-modelling resin 3. Resin cap increase 4. Resin bank 5. No need of dream solvent to convert boss drops 6. No need to wait until certain days to just farming a talent books 7. Give TCG an actual primogems weekly rewards, not just some coins bs 8. Give another combat endgame content that can make sidegrade characters (or the ones that has been fell off in the abyss) can be viable there. Example for this one like xiao. Or make it like arcade mode, the longer you survive, the higher the rewards. Put the primogems reward on the lesser score, and for the higher score give us something like fragile resin or dream solvent or billet box or anything except THREE PINK STONES AND 10K MORA HONESTLY i can go on full day 24/7 listing what i feel the playerbase need in genshin. but nowadays it feels very pointless and im kinda tired of being unheard :))
They HAVE to fix this, it's actually really bad. Supporting isn't just THAT small. You know? They need to fix this, I'd agree with Doro, if he makes a Vid on this, HoYo HAS TO FIX THIS!
I started playing Genshin because of all of the content creators and I never really realized when I stopped being fully f2p like now I depend on welkin to be able to get the characters I really want. I am really hoping the dev team listens to the playerbase now that this is happening
Nah they wouldn't genshin devs mindset are literally why give it your all when you can give less and players would still eat it. Heck the game has so many whiteknight to the point they even defend mihoyo for not giving rewards saying shit like "You should thank mihoyo you can even play this game for free" or "The company doesn't owe you anything they shouldn't give more rewards" oh yeah forgot about the most famous one "if you don't like the game just quit it stop complaining about it".
@@gamingdood2987what I hate most are the “endgame wanters”. I also really want an endgame because Genshin playability relies too much on the map exploration and once you do it you’re done and you don’t really get to use your high invested character anywhere outside of abyss but these people would go against the existence to go “fomo” or suggest to add just to have no rewards. These people eat scraps and feel like their in a buffet already is so bad
except the hands that are bitten will do nothing, a majority of the player base are white knights, they're like mahoraga, they have adapted to being disrespected and shitted on, and will just move forward like nothing happened
@@eunn6949The million people who unfollowed or are protesting won’t spend money on the game anymore, that’s where Genshit will start to feel the protest. Once we hurt their pockets.
I feel you on a lot of this. You can love something and still be capable of acknowledging its flaws wherever they may be. This game's a comfort game for me too and I absolutely agree on the re-playable events. Missed Irodori due to some irl stuff and man would I love to get those exclusive teapot decorations as silly as that may sound. I love the world of Teyvat. It's one of many homes away from home, but they do need to step up. It's time.
In my opinion, the free 10 pulls that star rail has every patch is probably there to make up for the lack of exploration rewards, unlike genshin where you can get a ton of primogems from puzzles and chests, while hsr only has a few chests. Other than that, i think everything else Doro said is correct
That maybe the case, but still only 3 fates as gratitude gift? This is like.....I dunno what to term. No one would have questioned if they had quietly slipped in the fates but this reasoning is a literal insult to players who have been playing and even spending money on this game since the launch. And it is even more frustrating when HSR gets a free 5* while GI players have to crave a lot for even their favourite 4*
Except it has been factually proven that HSR gives way more pulls than Genshin every patch, even after factoring out the free 10-pulls. So that's just a cope.
@@draixsamaHSR also have way more characters being released, the pace of the two are not the same, there's a reason why Star Rail actually need to give more rolls, F2P players will actually starve in Star Rail without some help.
@@airstyles1989 Yes, but they also rerun pretty quickly, not even a year in and we already have double reruns in 1 patch. Plus, you can just not pull for every character in the game if you're F2P? That's just a made up problem.
@@draixsama First of all, I'm not F2P, I'm Welkin player, and whatever that thing is call in Star Rail. I started in 1.0 in Genshin, and play SR since launch. I also play HI3 though I've been on a break since the conclusion of Elysium Realm. Speaking about things objectively, as an unbiased party for each game. The truth is, Star Rail is far more cut-throat compare to Genshin when it comes to required roll resources. Quite frankly, while Genshin is still seeing 200k follower increase each month. Yes, while they lost followers on Tiktok, Genshin actually saw positive player growth this month as well on Bilibili, where most of their players are concentrated. (19.23 million to 19.24 million, the growth slowed down due to 130k drop in follower, then lost another 40k after it climb to 19.24 million 2~3 days ago, and today, it clawed back to 19.24 million again.) Crazy, I know. Less than 1% of Genshin's dedicated player base are upset enough to hit the unfollow button. While the drama is alive and well on youtube, the "3 rolls" thing have almost become a background noise at Bilibili in this stage of development. Star Rail on the other hand, not only is it not growing like Genshin, it's growth have stagnated, and was losing so much steam had it not for the constant "reward", they could be in danger of losing players. They're 2 different games, with is managed with fairly different strategy (Based on their circumstances)
Big ups to you for coming out about this on UA-cam, I used to love the game and just want it to be better and improve as much as Star Rail which I love, hope the Genshin Devs finally bring end game like Star Rail and the replayable events.
I will still play Genshin Impact even if people lose the interest for not getting intertwined fates. I still love ur videos and always support ya bro❤❤ Also not just that Followers in that social media they did it on Genshin Impact YT channel as well it's subscriber drop to 72.4k
Bruh I have lost interest but still play the game 😂 I still love the game just didn't like the dev out of touch feels... That's the point of this drama. It didn't show the player hate the game, they hate how they treated 😅
@@MArgusChopinGyver True facts bro. They shouldn't be treating plyrs like that while the plyrs supported the Genshin Impact a lot to become successful and run for more than 1 yr.
Thanks for covering this Doro. I'd be happy if they started making good changes, but I've always been one of those players who just appreciates the game for how amazing it is, when I get bored I go play something else, not go rant about there not being enough content.
As a Chinese player who pays a lot attention to the CN community i can add on to what Doro is saying. Players are mad not only because of the rewards, or what they said in the live stream. Most people don't care about the 3 wishes anyways since they just pay. It's how they are managing the game, like what Doro said, our voice is just not getting heard, and Mihoyo is not the type of company to stress over dramas such as this one. The only time Genshin responded to a drama was the zhongli issue (he was really weak when first released). They will choose to lose a million followers over responding or apologizing any day. when all these negative experiences pill up, the community finally exploded. Another big factor is HSR. HSR just gets way more rewards every time, and since they are from the same company and with similar gotcha systems, of-course they will be compared against, HSR has free 10 pull every patch, and now a free 5 star. What does Genshin has? Oh here's 3 pulls for playing a whole year! You get what I'm saying. In the end as Genshin players we want the game to get better and better, we also want the deves to hear us rather than ignoring complains that might make the game better for players.
As an American player I can say the only time I’ve ever seen Genshin step up to hate was when EVERY single company known to man was assaulted by players because of the 2 year anniversary. We didn’t even get compensated for the 2 voice actors either. I watched Tighnari’s former coward’s career go up in flames. In front of me. A year later and nothing from Hoyo compensating for the issue it caused. Hoyo genuinely needs to do better.
@@Bullminator I ain’t touching ZZZ either. Looks mid from what I’ve seen in CBT with people getting frustrated with the TV system They can throw 3 free 5 stars and QoL all they want, but I’m not interested if the gameplay and story are mid af
I agree with Doro i love genshin that's why I want HOYOVERSE needs to listen to us players for quality of good rewards good quality of life more end game content so we can enjoy the game more !!!
I'm also a hardcore Genshin player, having all characters, playing since lunch, never missing a single login day, and so on... But being positive all the time and encouraging my friends to not give up on the game (bc i try to always see the positive side of the game just like Doro) has been very difficult over the past years. As a result of 11 people (myself included), there are 4 who still play Genshin. But Hoyoverse always gives us "something" where it is difficult to convince my friends to come back and have a fun time and so on. And let's not start talking about the "Thank you" gift bc i also don't see the positive side of it. I just hope that the Genshin Devs REALLY open they eyes bc i can't convince anyone to play it, so in my opinion, it's time that THEY make a difference and not just convince my Friends but the hole Community to come back. This comment isn't meant to offend anyone or other sort of things. It's just my personal opinion at the moment. :)
Same here, man I love Genshin so much when friends are around, we used to chit chat about the game many hours a day. Losing them then playing alone is so incredibly sad
Same here, i'm always positive despite all of the drama. I think it's ok for Genshin being greedy about anything. The problem is, the bad treatment is only on Genshin, the honkai duo are not. Genshin is so lucky there are no other game with similar content(all of the Genshin killer) and better than Genshin at the moment. If Wuthering Waves smartly enough and can be better than Genshin with the community, surely more than half loyal Genshin player will gone and Cai Haoyu will regret this with his deaf and greedy to the community. No need for 100 free pull or 5 star selector, just LISTEN what players need. It's all what Genshin need, just LISTEN the player ffs
It's interesting to see honestly. I was really into Genshin a few years ago, and stepped away due to events that were almost verbatum as to what's happening now. What a time to get back into it, huh? Some things might never change
I feel like at this point hoyoverse just might ignore this in hopes that it eventually blows over because of the fact that they haven’t addressed this yet
I definitely agree with you on everything. One thing everyone has been asking for is, like, you said more resin cause artifact farming is brutal, like i think majority of the artifacts is defensive which is good for characters like zhongli but its a pain if your trying to get for yr dps
i think its more insulting that they gave us three instead of none,their trying to make a fucking joke out of us(sorry for my languge) they have done this for too long and this is the last straw
im honestly glad you made this doro, i was just silently mad abt this as a very low spender (im absolutely broke bcz of life AND genshin, which is sad-) bur rhanks to this im now aware its a way bigger problem then what i thought
Oh, believe me, it's a GIANT problem. Especially since it started from the Chinese players this time, and they're the biggest profit makers for miHoYo.
Small spenders like us should stop spending on welkins (not like an extra 15 pulls will change anything for our account). See what happens when their low spenders stop spending altogether. 😂
probably not all too much XD but yea, ive been saving my money recently, not putting it into genshin for once and it doesnt rly change much, im as unlucky as always LOL @@SetiKt
I agree with you, Doro. The Genshin Community want to be heard. I am always hoping for better improvements in the game. I love Genshin so much, but I can't ignore the problems that need to be fixed. I hope that Hoyo actually listen and take our constructive criticism as not an attack, but as a suggestion. Thank you for making this video!
these are basically their business tactis to keep it going, their making the rewards barley anything to try and get people to buy them with their own money.
Genshin impact is generous when it comes to content. Its just they're so slow and unresponsive when it comes to suggestions. The rewards just SUCK. that's all. Everything in Genshin is great and keeps getting better. But the reward issue is becoming such a perceived topic as TOXIC which I don't blame the community. mi Hoyo is VERY unresponsive.
Quality of Life implementations is also terrible, let’s not act like just the rewards that are the problem. Dorian summarized the issue very well, the devs just don’t listen to the community and as years goes by this is starting to weight more and more.
Hell no, Genshin in NOT generous in terms of content. It has zero endgame which sucks for the players who actively play their game. Right now Genshin consists mainly of ONE-TIME content, that is to say you play it once and it's done, you can't replay it or anything like that! We NEED endgame content in Genshin! Speak out about Genshin's problems already!
@@BulletSponge71436 Ah but you see, they have been generous to incoming players with all the optimization updates. I think they don't care about older players since there is always new players incoming and they can just replace older ones. There is nothing wrong with aiding new players, since I think the whole hierarchy thing of "We veterans etc" is stupid, but it just feels like the dev team doesn't care.
@@freewontons You're thinking of the wrong thing. It seems that you haven't played Genshin long enough to experience all the bad things it has. Oh, by the way, miHoYo can't use this tactic until the end of time. Sooner or later their new player income will go down and they'll even add endgame content, just not now. And since players are tired of waiting for over 3 years, they have no more patience nor excitement for anything because miHoYo just don't care. They're absolutely worse than any other gaming company in the entire world. Also, why are you being so selfish? You're literally going against the players who just want to enjoy the game by saying all this nonsense in the comments. Your comments literally look like you're defending miHoYo for no reason xD
I have to agree with doro on this about the unfairness but atleast someone heard and made a video about it. I'm still grateful its better than nothing but still
Doro's video just hits differently. Dr. Positive and Mr. Serious xD I like you as a cc for Genshin, gladly we can hear your honest thoughts and I deeply agree with everything you said. Really appreciate it! The sad thing is, this "straw" is a bit late, we are already more than 3 years into the game, why did that take this much time to begin with? And to think, that at some point Eggy was warning us and almost no one was listening... It's really not a good look for a community of the game...
As a player who has been playing since 1.1, this was before even Dragonspine was on the map, and seeing this is just heartbreaking seeing how much love the people have for this game and Mihoyo just throwing in their faces hurt one's heart the people, whales and F2p alike deserve so much more. I watched this game grow over 4 years and it's sad to say other than a thing here and there nothing has changed... I truly hope that changes one of these days before it is too late,
Fun fact, they’re not changing the rewards either, let us enjoy the free 3 pulls for 3+ years of loyalty, also I’ll be waiting for you boys on Wuthering Waves, time to make Hoyoverse regret making fun of their loyal players
not to gatekeep Kuro Game but if you keep playing Genshin then Genshin doesn't lose a single player. Player retention matters as well so if you actually stop playing Genshin for like maybe a few months they might start to actually notice the reduction in player retention
Don't think they regret anything with that fat load of gold bars in their pockets. If anything happens to their game, they just make a new game and try to milk or attract lots of people to pay from little to tons of money. They're eating so good, they can be super egoistic/greedy. They have three big games that are super popular, so they're not scared of anything.
If WuWa is there around the time of the genshin anniversary then something will definitely happen. If they give poor appreciation to the players again when a potential competitor is there. They might regret it. Especially if players who didn't know about WuWa starts playing it since they will understand how Kuro games treat their players.
Thanks bro , you gained my (or our?) respect. This situation is truly ridiculous and they are dead silent 🔕 which make me more frustrated. I hope they at least aknowleadge content creators (because those surveys and our reviews mean nothing apparently)
I never really cared for the rewards. I was in this for the beautiful world, story and characters… but this- yeah this hurt. Ever since the livestream I looked at Genshin and started thinking “do I really want to log in?” Like ugh I didn’t care too much about how they treated us compared to Star Rail but that 3 intertwined fates really was a nail in the coffin. I’ll still play Genshin to do dailies but honestly, that’s it. I’m still looking forward to lantern rite since it’ll be my first, I’ll do Xianyun’s story quest and pull for her. Then that’s it. I’ll focus back on FFXIV where they actually love the PLAYERBASE!! Then even Persona 3 Reload. I love Genshin, but right now, I can’t look at it the same way anymore
i quitted way back years ago because of those issues. yet watching this now.. realizing that they didnt changed a thing. players still playing this feels all the same.. they feel frustrated.
As a mostly f2p (only have bought the Welkin) who's new (have been playing for literally 3ish months) I completely agree, especially about the replay past events thing. I love Kaeya and Kaveh, they are two of my favorite characters. I would be overjoyed if I got to play the early Genshin Montsdat event about Kaeya and Diluc that I missed or the Sumeru Kaveh and Alhaithem event from a year ago. I would absolutely love more rewards and better treatment because this is a beautiful game and I've quickly fallen in love with it
As long as the story, art, design, and music stay at the same level or improve, I don't care about some silly rewards. I guess it's good that these little riots happen to keep them on their toes.
Thank you! Actually good take. It’s not just the rewards, it’s the build up. Again and again, good QoLs never come, Dehya, rewards every year, lack of communication, etc
The Genshin and HSR different treatment isn't only about the reward. It's about how the dev team response. That one time when HSR is not even 3 months old, the dev already be updating ton of QoLs from the basic one to the most specific one, like how HSR dev team actually made a specific feature to turn off a certain light effect because a player said Seele's Ult is too bright or a feature to hide the black bar in the bottom of the screen, also other useful QoLs such as increase Trailblaze Power cap from 180 to 240, add Reserve Trailblaze Power, dialogue history (which I doubt gonna be useful in Genshin since most just skip it, but for me, a story enjoyer, it's best QoL), add chat feature, birthday reward being a stellar jade, relic auto equip, and Tears of Dream, Early Access to a character material if you haven't unlocked it, and so on. More QoL in less than a year compared to Genshin in 3 years
For what it's worth I enjoy your positive outlook. I do think there is a definite space for content like this and creators that talk about the negative side, but you have to have a balance. Keep it up.
Even if i still love genshin, they should really upgrade those kind of things, even if it's better than nothing, giving three free wish to thanks for the support and so on feels a bit like a joke... Even the old banners of 5 stars characters (like Albedo, klee and so on) are even more complicated to get as they are more banners to come with new characters and so on and as a f2p player it's hard sometimes to want to save for a character that you don't know when it will come back.
I play both Genshin and Destiny, and despite how fundamentally different they are as games, it feels like their respective companies have the same mentality towards them. “Over delivery” is somehow a cardinal sin, and as soon as something else (Star Rail, and possibly Marathon) gets QoL we’ve been asking for for years well before we do, it feels like a punch in the gut. Part of me wonders if the Genshin team wants to add these highly requested things but the higher-ups are shutting them down like laid off members of the Destiny team revealed.
Doro, glad to finally hear your voice of it in here (youtube). because i watch your content (youtube only) and whilst everything that has been happening so far that it involved you got me a little worried. but thank you for finally making a video of this situation.
as someone who plays both it really does feel like genshin is that middle child who gets neglected. i love genshin more than star rail but my god i always feel envious of all the good rewards star rail gets.
I used to play genshin,I play star rail now,and I don't think I'll return but I do hope people get better treatment like we do because it's just honestly not fair,bro these people be convincing themselves that what they get is enough and that they should be grateful 😭💀 I've dealt with it and I got tired of it.Never again will I support people who clearly don't care about what they create.
I stop playing star rail for three months and just installed it again since I want to catch up with the lore, and to my surprise, I still managed to catch up to the latest story. And damn, up until now, I'm still surprise to have a free 5 star character that is connected to the game itself. And I managed to like Dr. Ratio as a character too. Seeing those welcome back rewards, and those new patch free pulls is a feast for me. Like wwwoooowwww. Those other events too, like...I was actually overwhelmed with the amount of rewards I'm getting, which of course, I'm very thankful for. So as someone who played genshin since its released...I was also very disappointed at the rewards and can't help but compare it to star rail. I love both of course, but genshin players were not being appreciated enough.
what pains me is the genshin fans saying its ok everythings fine dont ask for more, like why what are you even defending. we know they can do these things so what are you so against, are you worried people will get 5 stars, and as for the oh they will loose money, no they wont they will attract people to play and insentivise loyalty to the game. @@_HanaPanda
Dont forget the skin selector, something we have been asking for for years, was put behind buying a ps5. a 500 dollar purchase for 800 primos and a skin selector. its.... kinda greedy and hurtful to see a reward that should have been or could have been a nice "thank you reward" for lantern rite! with star rail getting so much qol QUICKLY and being so generous ontop of genshins devs being so weirdly stingy its getting hard to just idlily accept it. Especially with how much i love genshin, its lore and its characters are amazing, it seems like such a waste to not want to improve on that
I like your content and positivity and im also happy that you speak up about this situation, ill stop spending money on this game until they actually start to care about the community.
Didn't know that there's an issue going on, I really don't care much about the free fates or not having free 5 star. And I see the game as good as it is. (Maybe because I'm more into appreciating the Lore, Music, and Details) It's true that Genshin Impact lacks communication with their community, but there's not that much going on actually, this isn't that big of an issue. Be mad at me if you will, but all I see are ppl jealous at HSR updates. And honestly, for me who doesn't have a lot of time due to a lot of work irl, Genshin is doing a great job so I would still have time to play and catch up to the updates before the next update. With the new area and story quests, it will take me atleast 2 weeks to 100% the area and do the quests. Which is enough content tbh. For the resin cap, I think Hoyo is just making it so that we can play Genshin in a slower progression.(If you get what I mean) Better artifact system, I definitely agree. Better rewards, I agree as well, but then again they want the game in a slower progression so it's fine. And what else? I see nothing wrong with the game. You can't add an auto-fighting system because this isn't turn-based game, and It's not pain in the as to farm for artifacts, atleast for me who enjoys battling.
Already saw Tenha talk about it. I agree fully with him, if only Hoyo didn't said how grateful for the support they are but just silently slipped 3 wished into our pockets, everything would be fine. Waiting Dawei react to this. Upd. Love how genshin haters hype on this topic like Hoyo will be bankrupt in next hour, just because f2p don't have enough free stuff.
One of the people who used to work for HI3 now working on Genshin is notorious for being stingey when he left HI3 got more rewards after the said person left HI3 to work on Genshin so to fix this has to be remove the person in terms of decision making since his mindset is be cheap and temp people to swipe
I don't think ppl should jump to conclusion like that and just roast the genshin producer without having actual proof if he was actually involved in making these rewards
@@aquaEX the old hi3 producer Cai Haoyu in the first 3 anniversaries he didn’t give the players that many rewards and the players got mad so the changed him to David Jiang and the rewards started to get better with so many freebies and literally give you now and then a free S rank character (S rank=5*) and David is also the same producer of hsr that’s why the players get so many freebies
DORO i kindly request you to NOT PAY A SINGLE PENNY to them.they treat us like their wallet.what are they thinking? WE ARE HUMANS AND PLAYERS WHO LOVE THIS GAME.its not about rewards I'm f2p BTW still FU*K THOSE FATES I want RESPECT and I LIVE FOR it.also we need major changes which can only be heard by them when their flow of money reduced alot.i request every p2w players to experience the f2p life and understand our struggle.
I've given up, but I spent money on Genshin, and played F2P on Honkai Star Rail. when Honkai Star Rail gives a prize it's more likely to be the result of the money I gave Genshin
I’m a CN player, although half the CN community(or less or more, idk) has drama with Genshin, in my opinion, yes they should’ve gave us more but, like it just depends on what you think, Genshin is my comfort game, I like talking with my friends online there, I can listen to the music and chill in game And although I quited (because of lack of storage) And plus, Genshin and Star rail are both made by HoYo, Genshin is an older game, which probably tend to have les updates now and then, Star rail is a newer game so people tend to line it better and hoyo has been focusing more towards it, both games are good, yes, but again- it just depends on your opinions and yes it needs to give us more(but I have seen a lot of people that have sent death threats, through comments, reviews, etc, which is wrong, you can hate but like why send death threats?)
@@anteprs7908on the contrary, people would be inclined to spend more if there was content we could actually test our characters and if the devs actually listened to their community feedback
@@anteprs7908 tunneled vision, more players would stay in this game and recommend this game to other people, hoyo would definitely get more money treating their players well. Saying this as one of the people who stopped playing and spending money there months ago.
@@anteprs7908 It isn't just about the rewards, adding qol changed replayable events more endgame etc would make more people interested in the game which means more revenue
@@anteprs7908 nah thats cap. more reward more player playing (new player increase because good rewards, old player returned for the good reward, less player quit the game) > more money + good reputation
Thanks man, every content creators and every players should address this, not only from CN player but also globally. Let us see if Genshin will ever hear us.
you be suprised how many would disagree with this takes most of us like the game enough and dotntwant hardcore content and dont care for rewards we play for story,exploration and chrs. the ppl on social media are often a huge minority when it come the gamer full playerbase.
What would hurt their wallets The most is if everybody went free to play still played the game and played it heavily so all their servers had to run but all of a sudden they had no income
They really do hate us, since their tone and their wording announcing that was very rude. They also have the same person who is known for being cheap and giving sh*tty rewards and is currently the director of Genshin
if it helps, we recently found out that the writer for the Penacony Arc of Star Rail is also the writer that has a reputation for writing heartbreaking stories in their previous game, Honkai Impact 3rd. so that's going to be a fun thing to watch out for in Penacony
I agree 100% with everything Doro said, Genshin needs new updates and improved content, BUT I can't imagine Genshin players not spending a single cent in the game for a long time
people be talking about dehya needing a buff, but no one talks about klee needing a buff more than she does, all she needs to be useful is her burst working off field
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I don’t plan to make videos like this, I will continue to play Genshin and upload positive content, but this was just too important not to make a video on it. I love this game and I’m still excited for what’s to come, but you can still love it and acknowledge its flaws. Let me know your thoughts below!
Thank you for speaking out Doro! It's a huge thing for me you said your piece. Keep doing what makes you happy :)
Well said, Doro. Also same thought, the game needs to rewards players the same way as we do to the developers. I just pray it changes
Thank you for speaking on it even if you didn’t really have to, we all appreciate hearing your thoughts ❤
Please do more 💀🙏🏽
Thanks doro
You know it’s bad when DORO has to make a video on the situation
He has to speak up, he was overly positive and voices of concern started to appear that he and Bran are paid by Hoyo to only focus on positives + have greatly increased gacha chances for their accounts (Far higher rates to get earlies/multiples than normal players, who can't get double for like 2-3 years or early for months, so there are voices that they have increased rates to invite new players to play genshin as it is "so rewarding").
Drama affects f2p and barely paying people, while whales are comfortable because they can buy themselves anything due to money of their subscribers.
More like he was bullied so hard to do something he doesn’t like. Yeah nice job being a douchebag in the internet. Congrats
@@shinotsurubushi6229I'm gonna need proof for the exclusive 'higher rates' part.
He has to or else everyone is gonna go after him for being too 'positive'. You gotta go with the flow sometimes
@@shinotsurubushi6229Anyone who unironically thinks this guy has some magic account with guaranteed luck needs to strap their tinfoil hat on tighter cause they’re morons.
"Nothing can kill Genshin other than itself" - BranOnline
And its doing a damn fine job so far, considering how interest in the game is plummeting, revenue is falling off month after month, and many Genshin players have moved over to HSR since it released
Imagine how rough it could get when the game actually has a direct competitor within the same game genre (we all know what the upcoming gacha's are). Mihoyo has to step up their game if they actually care about genshins health in the long term
@True_nova Revenue isn't falling lmao.
Playerbase is still the same. Definitely not plummeting.
Lying and doomposting is pathetic.
As with anything big, I guess.
@@goonmaster9000tbf the playerbase has peaked this month at 67M, highest its ever been
@@goonmaster9000bruh genshin revenue aint falling off it literally makes same as hsr or even more and the playerbase? The amount of players playing genshin has peaked in 2024
In a good way i find doro terrifying when he's serious
how and why which part terrified u leave a timestamp.
when the happy go lucky dude gets actually serious for a while, that's when you know something's up
@@AgagaHahah-u2j no no it's not in the video but just in general like seeing him talk about these things cause yeah it's a pretty big thing I started just back in November before Thanksgiving and in just a short amount of time I can tell what kind of people are genuine and Doro's one of em
@@seratoninny exactly
@@onepunchman4128 actually doing something to actively hurt them > just talking about it and pat yourself on the back.
Its kind of amnoying how people are happy cc's are forced to talk about it.
Oh wow dude it got 200k views vs 60 million players world wide. Oh btw its still 3 fates, they did not budge even a little.
As someone who has a lot of friends that stopped playing Genshin even if they were invested, they all had the same reaction when we talked about this.. they all agreed that this is one of the reasons they stopped playing.. it’s kinda sad because the game is amazing
Even my brother stop playing now am using his account he told me I can sell it if I want he is ar 57 with many 5 star but because of the stingy rewards and lack of game content he just lost interest
Yeah, loved the game when I was playing it, but the gameplay grew stale, and I couldn't remedy that by playing with different characters due to the game being too stingy. That's why I joined in and then stopped playing during the 2.1 Qiqi revolution
@@Tempest27 Was the same for me. Was over ar 50 and had a lot of 5 stars (Ranging from Venti to Albedo to Itto) and I got so bored when Sumeru came out and just gave up. Like the gameplay and grinding got so repetitive that I lost interest.
Naah the game is pretty mid
I stopped playing due to the enormous size of the game. Usually whenever I try to come back into the game I always inadvertently discover that there's some drama one way or another. It's pretty bad if you ask me; especially since most of the drama around the game tends to be pretty reasonable (creator drama, I don't really care about)
I'm a rabid player, probably 800+ hours worth of time invested in the game, and I was totally unaware of any of this drama because I've always avoided the community like the plague. 😐
Me too lol
I just enjoy playing the game, that I'm always completely oblivious of major drama or the toxicity of the Genshin community. I don't even have Twitter, so I can't imagine how nasty that side of the community is 😅
I completely agree with this. I put so much time into the game that I haven’t had to spend a single cent. I have a C6 Eula and get hate for it. My partner has twitter and when we see how toxic the Genshin community actually is we go radio silent. It’s just sad how toxic people actually are.
@@Lotuslex2154 Omg you're so lucky! 🥺😭 my pockets be HURTIN when I play Genshin and when there's a character I so badly want lmfaooo
this community gave you geo buff (geo shields used to be effective only against geo), scaling systems, more than 120 raisin, the ability to still use your characters while they’re on expedition and many more things, that I’m sure you’ve been ignorantly enjoying. So yeh, at least stay quiet if you’re not able to comprehend or help.
@@MeryKeitty for the raisins. 🙏 we appreciate
I feel like they should appreciate their players more, it’s good that the CN community strikes and shows that we want to be heard.
The true story is not only 4.4, version 1.4, 2.4, and 3.4 also give players 10+3 pulls. This year before the live, there were many bot accounts following genshin official account, which was weird at first. Then after the live, those bots suddenly unsubscribed and some social media started to spread the 3 pulls negative content. Who did that, we all can guess。
It has to be trolling at this point because almost all of these complaints have been addressed… in Star Rail.
@@mio-hj4wk yeah that the case it still the same but in the livestream they are saying its for 3-year of appreciation but the rewards is still the same, like what!? you give 5-star limited character to star rail after winning an award for the first time (eventhough genshin already got an award multiple time and they only give us 800 primogem everytime) and for 3-years of appreciation for genshin you just give us the same reward every years + 3 wish, its insulting for me and other players loyalty to the game since launch atleast for me😤
@@andizulfan84just quit. you like getting piss or something? nobody ask for your loyalty. don't be like some OF simps.
mihoyo has been known for taking over the market from tencent, wonder if they will do anythign about it.@@mio-hj4wk
i 100% agree. replayable events should be even prequisites for some quests. Like some events drop LORE. As a player that began in 3.7 I missed a crap load of events. I was forced to watch some videos of past events. Like why cant they be be available like hangouts and story quests?
Yeah...and maybe some way to get previous weapons. I was WAITING to see xinyan (and albedo but theres his hangout quest) and i didnt until last years lantern rite. I got her as a character before i see her
Honestly, that is something we all want , but given that it's a mobile game , it already requires a huge amount of space , having all the events as character story or something will just make the game take up more space . Like for me currently it's 26 GB on my mobile , so 😅
Yeah totally agree. I started around 2.5 or 2.6 I think and I heard that some of the back stories of characters are from events so I didn't know. I like your suggestion where they could add it like hangout or story quest. It means we could also get the weapons from those events too .
@@TuhinSarkar-gu3vythey could just do like it is for the language of the game, letting you download whatever quest you want to play and delete it after you're done
Because they don't want to , star rail literally does it
The game have amazing teams in story , world building , gameplay , voice acting etc , its sad that the only thing the game is messing is listening to players especially when they release surveys for players opinions very often and still ignore them
It's because "he" Manage the game (the one from Hi1rd before it was changed)
Very much agree
yeah true, we love the game and the maker, so they should love us too, not our money
that and the racism
Music is top tier, world building is whatever and the story is freaking terrible.
I feel like if Hoyoverse doesn't do anything about this, this could potentially be the beginning of the end of Genshin Impact. I've already seen people say that they might quit by the end of the year if they keep treating us like this.
i just dont understand , its not that serious. sure, im sad i dont get a free five star but is this really the end of the world? like this is what we are screaming and crying about ?? there are two wars going on right now and 3 wishes is what we are screaming and crying about ?? i just dont... think its that deep. like i understand being upset but i just do not understand why this is the biggest evil that could happen???
@@runa_7022I mean that’s kind of the whole point of why we are doing All of this it’s because some people are just accepting that this new game that just came out gets essentially more money and more time and way better rewards whilest Genshin impact players get a$$ rewards and let it sink in that that 20 pulls is for 2.0 not even an anniversary whilest we only get 13 like bro what part of that seems right and some people are just accepting it like that’s the whole reason y Genshin isn’t doing anything if u really want those good rewards u might wanna get mad at them a little sure we all love the game and don’t want to see it to end but imo if it does get to such a point where people stop playing because of this we will start to see change so I really hope u can start seeing the right side of this.!
@@runa_7022let me ask u this- let's just say that you've worked at whatever job u have for years and your boss doesn't appreciate your hard work or dedication after SO many years.. How would u feel? That's basically what this feels like people are dedicated to something they love and cherish..but the company seems like they don't give a shit I mean come on this game has been out for what 4 years? even if it's just a game the devs should be more generous with their fans- and I'm not gonna bring up wars cus that literally has nothing to do with this.. If u wanna talk about wars then bring that up in an actual conversation that involves a crisis
@@runa_7022 keep being like this we will get treated worst the rewards sucks it's hard being a f2p like that also the amount of space it takes with all that they can't do the least thing for the players
True. When WuWa comes out I am one of those people who will definitely shifr and leave genshin for real if they don't change and I am a new player! I would play both if genshin change and do some of the requested changes.
As an HSR player, I don't know how GI players feel, but the HSR event really makes players want to keep playing.
I stopped buying welkin and BP for genshin after HSR 1.2 I diverted my genshin funds on HSR because they gave more rewards. Also they raised the BP cap to 70 WAY more worth it than GI shitty BP 😂
YET WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A NEW PATH SINCE LAUNCH HELLO HOYO WHAT'S UP? Nah but fr when do we get it bro I'm crying. Hunt or harmony both work
@@Anisaduswe got what we wanted 🗣🔥
I think that the creators really should at least increase the rewards a little, especially in the year of the dragon.
Here lies the state of Genshin, where the minorities wanting their voice to be heard are asking for "a little", while the 95% of the playerbase who didn't even know about this situation, nor care, just keeps playing casually.
They do the opposite though and started to put qol and playability stuff into c1 and c2 cons so you want to pull more on a single banner.
(they could totally win me back over if they gave the Zhongli outfit they've been teasing as a skin - it would be the best time for it)
The creator you mean the hoyo team right? Not the content creator right? 😂
FR! IT'S ZHONGLI'S YEAR, HOW ARE THEY STINGY?!
I want to say thank you for this video! A lot of people thought you would never say something like this because you were scared of the backlash from Hoyo. Thank you for standing up!!!! You still have my respect Doro!!!
Unless you live in china, you can be a asshole to rich companys as much as you want to be.
I’m really glad that an official partner on the game is talking about this. Genshin is amazing, I really do love it and don’t plan on stopping to play anytime soon- but I think this situation should definitely be resolved.
thank you so much for this doro i'm actually crying lmao i'm just so upset, it really does feel like a slap to the face. we just want this game to be good man. it's so damn incredible to see so many ccs come together to talk about this on here and to demand change because the current state of genshin is not it. all we can do is hope they listen.
Ikr same boat pulled a QIQI and uninstalled bro why won’t they add end game content we spent hundreds of hours building our characters for literally no incentive or purpose?! They claim they don’t want player anxiety when their entire business model is anxiety inducing fear of missing out 😂 I’m done getting gaslit by Chinese CUCKS
You need to seek help if you’re so weak and pathetic a video games makes you cry
One of the biggest QOL improvements I want is having the Interactive Map actually track your progress instead of you having to manually do it, which has already taken me 10+ hours JUST for finishing Mondstat and a little of Liyue.
Same, I didn’t use it untill fountain and now I have Sumeru and inazuma half explored but I don’t know which electrocutes or dendroculus I did get and which I didn’t get. Also I don’t know what chests I have so it takes so much longer to walk around finding things I need to explore yet
Totally agreed
Remember event!Enkanomiya showing ALL EVENTS AND CHESTS on the map after a certain threshold? I remember... It's all dust in the wind now...
Same! Or add a gadget like the one from the event nefore 4.0 that shows stuff on the map. Imavine a 1 time use compass that reveals everything in 1 "named area." Cost the same as a normal compass but its a consumable. Get it at ar60.
Another thing i would like to see would be a Ley lines that gives us Sanctifying unction/essence, leveling up artifacts would'we become less tedious
I appreciate so much how you calmly and respectfully shared your issues with stagnate changes to the game. I wish more content creators would take this professional and less aggressive approach. It gives the community a voice for real concerns that can have the opportunity to be better received because it doesn't sound unhinged. Thank you for such great content!
This doesnt work everytime, positivity is a great trait to have as a community only if the Developers Reciprocate. While i really appreciate Doro there is a dire need of guys like tectone to raise voice till they have to respond because at this point developers just do what they want to and our voices dont even reach them. The backlash was comming since dehya got released and after 3rd aniversary rewards and 100% rightfully so.
@@Takudayo I never said anyone else who has spoken up shouldn't have, I was saying that having someone speak up in a respectable and professional manner is better for the community. For instance, I have the the same concerns, but I know if I voiced them in an aggressive or childish manner they wouldn't be taken seriously and I would be seen as a nut.
I'd say his take and Atsus take were my favorites. Straight to the point and realistic. I'm all for criticism bc it's definitely needed. The excessive negativity is becoming to much imo. It's nice seeing someone calm and collected with their take on the whole thing.
It is good to acknowledge flaws and look in a positive side
As an old Summoner's War player (another turn based gacha game), 3 additional pulls is a huge slap in the face considering other games like SW gives 100 pull during special events like their anniversary. Yes, you have to work for them by doing a bunch of quests over a period of a week or so, but it is still 100 pulls.
😮i never thought i would see a fellow summoners war player. i’ll confirm that they do give more during anniversary but every game has its own flaws at some point. i’ll just say i completely agree with you.
I stopped playing summoners war last year but even though that game has worse rates it still gives the player base much more content and rewards
that’s fair point. i 100% agree
Summoners war is a bad gacha game to compare to though, because although the rewards are quite a lot, the actual rates to get the highest tier characters are much, much worse, and with zero guarantee, I've had a friend who went way over 100 pulls with zero good mons, so yeah... There's also FGO, and quite a lot of other gacha games with no pity system & terrible gacha systems. On the other hand, there's also gacha games with both generous rewards and good pull rates with many ways to grind almost all resources in f2p-friendly ways. So I honestly don't think genshin is the worst in terms of gacha rates, but it definitely deserves that title when it come to currency & rewards, and also the energy(resin) system (other games do it way way better). So yeah not the worst, but far from the best...
Ngl it's kinda bold of u to do this as you're one who's sponsored by them.
Doro... That was one of the best takes of this situation I've seen. Everything in this just... Wow! Mad Respect for you man! Keep up the amazing work!
I kinda wonder whether this issue would have caused as much uproar if Genshin hadn't phrased it so poorly, considering people were already coming in with low expectations anyway. It's interesting to see HYV's history of poor communication causing backlash within the community.
truth is there are many things that have to change in genshin and theyre being ignored all the time so problems are gathered and more and more so a small mistake makes an uproar for all the problems left unnoticed. pretty natural
Ye nah, 3 pulls is not the main issue here, players just tired of having no real dev to player communication and any "normal" qol changes
that was just the straw that broke the camel's back, this dev team has been shitting on their players for way too long and people were hoping it was just a matter of time... it wasn't, nothing will change unless the CN community actually makes their voices heard cause they're the only one that matter to hoyo
They said the same thing in the last 2 lantern rites as well so no
That sentences it's the trigger to explode the all problem that has been building up this past 2 years
I love that the content creators really talked about this , When i saw the announcement i really thought they would ignore this problem. ❤
There are honestly way more important things going on in this world than some game not giving us more fake, meaningless currency for an event...like, idk, the genocide happening in the east??? That our government officials are supporting and endorsing???? Like cmon man, this isnt even a problem, it's so petty and meaningless. Boo hoo we didn't get more free gacha pulls, unless you're addicted to gambling I don't see why that should be such an upsetting thing that you go so far as to call it a "problem".
If only it was real... those numbers were proven fake,it's sad CC don't talk about THIS instead.
That feeling when both you and your only favorite game are depressed and want to cease to exist.
You okay man?
bro why
That’s me fr.
Play other game man, variety is key to keep gaming in general fresh. If you don't enjoy a certain game, then just stop playing it. You can comeback later on if you see its worth it or not.
I mean Hoyo not even listening to players is always an issue since release. Not surprised they still are when its still pretty big gacha player base compare to other gacha (not as it used to be cause people left).
I re watched the video now, and that make me feel so happy to see how hoyo have listen since natlan come out ❤❤❤
Wait really? Idk since I just returned can you compare how genshin has improved since I’m kinda curious
@Nightcord4life more rewards, gameplay fun, exploration very cool, dailies in 10 sec 👌
Really glad you're talking about this Doro. Only talking about it on Twitch isn't the same as you're YT channel, it is a so much bigger platform for you and can reach a bigger audience. So thank you for posting this here.
Big fat good this has done. The patch will release in about 12 hours time and there's still no announcement from Hoyo regarding the rewards. All that backlash and no response. This is how much they value our social media presence. Only money talks. So long as the majority are happy to continue spending, this is the best we're gonna get.
I heard that the old notorious worker who is known to be stingy in HI3 moved to genshin. So the stingy one is that man who gives shitty rewards.
Yes! I hope people stop spending ugh
@@2dsimp940 This has been proven false on Reddit multiple times, please don't spread false rumours. It's no just one guys fault
Hit them where it hurts, time to cut down on spending on genshin
@@lvnna It is the truth
Cao Haoyu is one of the co founders of hyv
he was in charge of honkai impact 3rd for the first 3 years, the rewards were a**
then when genshin launched, he became the one in charge, and until now the rewards are catastrophique
he stepped down from his position as ceo but is still running the genshin dev team, he is the one in charge of all the rewards and any QOL in genshin
As a total F2P player who loves Genshin and does her best to save up for five stars (or even four stars) she really wants, this really does feel like a slap in the face. Not even a full 20 pulls, not even HALF of 20 pulls is all Genshin can think to give to us. There’s a lot in the game I think they could definitely add but they just don’t listen to their players. Like, one thing that has always bugged me is that Spiral Abyass doesn’t even give you a FULL ONE PULL for each floor you complete. It’s ten primogems short.
I also play HSR and I enjoy it a lot, but I gotta say the way they treat HSR players is so much different and it’s clear why it has so much fans and why there’s so much backlash against Genshin from its own players. It doesn’t cost them to give us the things we want, in fact, it’d benefit them more because they’d get more money in response!
Hopefully, this comes back to bite them. I hope all the whales can come together and really hurt their wallets. Then maybe they will listen.
(Also, as a huge Thoma fan, I also think Genshin sucks cause there’s no thoma content lately + they have never let him go outside of inazuma while ayato and ayaka did for the past event 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽 genshin do better)
My heart still aches for what they did to Toma.
They gave players 13 pulls for every Lantern Rite since the game was released. Why only this year everyone is mad, just because of Star Rail?
@@mio-hj4wk Yes it's mainly Star Rail but it's not just about the freebies. It's the fact that Star Rail, a newer game, gets the features Genshin players have been asking about since before Star Rail came out.
@@mio-hj4wkeveryone is mad because it's been 3 years and the rewards are still shitty and HSR gave out a 5 star character for free by just winning an award.
Appreciate you covering this topic, hopefully even more content creators get onto this and genshin finally sees a vocal community that wants change and improvement.
I heard that the old notorious worker who is known to be stingy in HI3 moved to genshin. So the stingy one is that man who gives shitty rewards. - So hopefully that man leaves genshin team
He is so late in addressing this problem its laughable, tectone started showing the problem to the people and then the other creators like doro ,xyox etc etc had to make videos about this after him.
@@azureemarald5722Better late than never. Tectone pioneered constructive criticism towards genshin, and he's still getting shit and death threats from its community for it. Which is fucking ridiculous if you think about it. People need to chill, en masse.
@@ShadowDweller_YT Well it is the twitter mob and fr**ks who are doing all the threats and sht, should be locked up imo.
Doro! I know you have a reputation for your positivity and enthusiasm for Genshin and I commend you for making a video on this topic!
I have been playing this game since October 8th of 2021, and I completely agree with this, and it makes me sad knowing that Genshin doesn’t listen
Its not just star rail, there is also Honkai impact where it seemed every few months they would release an earnable 5 star character/weapon and character skins. Plus in the store you could also buy the pieces for getting yourself a 5 star character/weapon. Meanwhile in Genshin they refuse for some reason to give out better rewards. Especially now that the game is going into its third year.
For players who spend money in Genshin impact these rewards are slap on their face but for totally F2P players like me 3 intertwined fates is a punch on face 😢
Actually I think its the opposite lol, as a whale who is whaling less and less, I don’t really care how much freebies they give me as giving me 3 pull vs 20 pull isn’t going to make much of a difference to me. What I’m more concerned about is harder end game contents. Once I got a couple c6 characters, nothing is challenging anymore so I end up whaling less often.
@@drkInxgud i Agree with you but as an F2P player collecting primos is very slow and time consuming and i only play Genshin for 2 hours or less in a day. And if I want any specific character it would take very long time.
Why would the company care about you when you never spend? Maybe get a welkin
@@TheRoleplayer40kbecause just playing the game also benefits them
the direct solution is definitely more fates, but I also feel like there could be so many other adjustments that could make life easier for f2ps.
standard 5* selector every x number of standard banner pulls
expanded 4* shop
4* selectors for important events, 5* selectors for very big events
idk there's quite a lot of things the game could do that would make it so much easier for new players and f2ps both to get in and stay in the game
just thank you for making this video. Positivity can also be toxic and I, initially being form the sims community, know all too well how it can ruin the game and the experience. Hoping that Genshin won't go down the same route.
As a fellow ex-sims player, I full heartedly agree. Genshin took the sims place as my splurge game. And I’m trying my damnedest to not spend on HSR now because of the Genshin team’s mockery towards the player base.
3 years support = 3 fates.....
Something my brother and I talked about the other day was how bad the rewards are for Adventure Ranks. We were saying that once you hit AR60, you should get a free five star character of your choice and you get their signature weapon as well as enough ascension materials and money to level their talents to 10 and level them to 90. So basically you’d get a free and fully built (minus artifacts) character as a “thanks for playing”
I think this is highly unrealistic. Maybe a character or a weapon could be viable but getting a full built 5* character of choice with his/her sign weapon is just wishful fantasy
Honestly that’s ridiculous imo, it’s nice but extremely unreasonable. The rewards for level are trash rn, yes, but THAT is insane. Maybe a free standard 5* or a bunch of primos
You know its serious when DORO does a video like this.
To be fair, Everyone would bash doro for not even addressing it..
He's forced to do this video
@@2dsimp940he just doesn't want drama.
@@shairamiyukiR.He was forced to make video bcz of misunderstanding from other player they rationalise doro for his recent tweets about genshin even though ik doro is the happiest and cute content creator but some people just wanna think that happiest creator is kinda sus meaning they get paid for sponsor that why problem of player who just look very negative way
@@luckypatil453 I meant good for him don't misunderstand. I saw his tweets and watch him from time to time. It's not like it's his first time mentioning bad stuff like this, it's just that he tends to lean on positive side more. Not like it's bad or something, I just think he avoids drama because he doesn't want it.
I feel that whether or not we get what we want, Hoyo should at the very least communicate. Be it just talking about the troubles they have coming out with the improvements we want or just generally giving acknowledgments to these problems and not take us as a player base for granted.
1. Replayable past events
2. Self-modelling resin
3. Resin cap increase
4. Resin bank
5. No need of dream solvent to convert boss drops
6. No need to wait until certain days to just farming a talent books
7. Give TCG an actual primogems weekly rewards, not just some coins bs
8. Give another combat endgame content that can make sidegrade characters (or the ones that has been fell off in the abyss) can be viable there. Example for this one like xiao. Or make it like arcade mode, the longer you survive, the higher the rewards. Put the primogems reward on the lesser score, and for the higher score give us something like fragile resin or dream solvent or billet box or anything except THREE PINK STONES AND 10K MORA
HONESTLY i can go on full day 24/7 listing what i feel the playerbase need in genshin. but nowadays it feels very pointless and im kinda tired of being unheard :))
Nah fr, I love playing the TCG, but its only giving you coins
They HAVE to fix this, it's actually really bad. Supporting isn't just THAT small. You know? They need to fix this, I'd agree with Doro, if he makes a Vid on this, HoYo HAS TO FIX THIS!
I started playing Genshin because of all of the content creators and I never really realized when I stopped being fully f2p like now I depend on welkin to be able to get the characters I really want. I am really hoping the dev team listens to the playerbase now that this is happening
Nah they wouldn't genshin devs mindset are literally why give it your all when you can give less and players would still eat it.
Heck the game has so many whiteknight to the point they even defend mihoyo for not giving rewards saying shit like "You should thank mihoyo you can even play this game for free" or "The company doesn't owe you anything they shouldn't give more rewards" oh yeah forgot about the most famous one "if you don't like the game just quit it stop complaining about it".
@@gamingdood2987what I hate most are the “endgame wanters”. I also really want an endgame because Genshin playability relies too much on the map exploration and once you do it you’re done and you don’t really get to use your high invested character anywhere outside of abyss but these people would go against the existence to go “fomo” or suggest to add just to have no rewards. These people eat scraps and feel like their in a buffet already is so bad
I think it's about time they learn that you don't bite the hand that feeds you
except the hands that are bitten will do nothing, a majority of the player base are white knights, they're like mahoraga, they have adapted to being disrespected and shitted on, and will just move forward like nothing happened
Wow review bombing and losing followers 😂
@@eunn6949 losing millions of your source of income does have an impact, they're not just unfollowing, many are boycotting the game
@@eunn6949The million people who unfollowed or are protesting won’t spend money on the game anymore, that’s where Genshit will start to feel the protest. Once we hurt their pockets.
@@walnutsss Really?
Real question do you know people who actually spend money on the game and decided to stop now?
Very well said Doro. You were fully transparent in this one and it was a nice change. Ya did good as always my dude
I feel you on a lot of this. You can love something and still be capable of acknowledging its flaws wherever they may be. This game's a comfort game for me too and I absolutely agree on the re-playable events. Missed Irodori due to some irl stuff and man would I love to get those exclusive teapot decorations as silly as that may sound. I love the world of Teyvat. It's one of many homes away from home, but they do need to step up. It's time.
i didn't know there were exclusive teapot decorations whatttt 😭😭😭😭 that hurts
In my opinion, the free 10 pulls that star rail has every patch is probably there to make up for the lack of exploration rewards, unlike genshin where you can get a ton of primogems from puzzles and chests, while hsr only has a few chests. Other than that, i think everything else Doro said is correct
That maybe the case, but still only 3 fates as gratitude gift? This is like.....I dunno what to term. No one would have questioned if they had quietly slipped in the fates but this reasoning is a literal insult to players who have been playing and even spending money on this game since the launch. And it is even more frustrating when HSR gets a free 5* while GI players have to crave a lot for even their favourite 4*
Except it has been factually proven that HSR gives way more pulls than Genshin every patch, even after factoring out the free 10-pulls. So that's just a cope.
@@draixsamaHSR also have way more characters being released, the pace of the two are not the same, there's a reason why Star Rail actually need to give more rolls, F2P players will actually starve in Star Rail without some help.
@@airstyles1989 Yes, but they also rerun pretty quickly, not even a year in and we already have double reruns in 1 patch. Plus, you can just not pull for every character in the game if you're F2P? That's just a made up problem.
@@draixsama First of all, I'm not F2P, I'm Welkin player, and whatever that thing is call in Star Rail.
I started in 1.0 in Genshin, and play SR since launch. I also play HI3 though I've been on a break since the conclusion of Elysium Realm.
Speaking about things objectively, as an unbiased party for each game.
The truth is, Star Rail is far more cut-throat compare to Genshin when it comes to required roll resources.
Quite frankly, while Genshin is still seeing 200k follower increase each month. Yes, while they lost followers on Tiktok, Genshin actually saw positive player growth this month as well on Bilibili, where most of their players are concentrated. (19.23 million to 19.24 million, the growth slowed down due to 130k drop in follower, then lost another 40k after it climb to 19.24 million 2~3 days ago, and today, it clawed back to 19.24 million again.)
Crazy, I know. Less than 1% of Genshin's dedicated player base are upset enough to hit the unfollow button.
While the drama is alive and well on youtube, the "3 rolls" thing have almost become a background noise at Bilibili in this stage of development.
Star Rail on the other hand, not only is it not growing like Genshin, it's growth have stagnated, and was losing so much steam had it not for the constant "reward", they could be in danger of losing players.
They're 2 different games, with is managed with fairly different strategy (Based on their circumstances)
Big ups to you for coming out about this on UA-cam, I used to love the game and just want it to be better and improve as much as Star Rail which I love, hope the Genshin Devs finally bring end game like Star Rail and the replayable events.
Can't wait to pull c2 nahida with the 3 pulls so generous thanks hoyo 🥳
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Never happen
Bruh😂😂😂
That funny
Even Doro is on the take
I will still play Genshin Impact even if people lose the interest for not getting intertwined fates. I still love ur videos and always support ya bro❤❤
Also not just that Followers in that social media they did it on Genshin Impact YT channel as well it's subscriber drop to 72.4k
Bruh I have lost interest but still play the game 😂
I still love the game just didn't like the dev out of touch feels... That's the point of this drama. It didn't show the player hate the game, they hate how they treated 😅
@@MArgusChopinGyver True facts bro. They shouldn't be treating plyrs like that while the plyrs supported the Genshin Impact a lot to become successful and run for more than 1 yr.
Thanks for covering this Doro. I'd be happy if they started making good changes, but I've always been one of those players who just appreciates the game for how amazing it is, when I get bored I go play something else, not go rant about there not being enough content.
As a Chinese player who pays a lot attention to the CN community i can add on to what Doro is saying. Players are mad not only because of the rewards, or what they said in the live stream. Most people don't care about the 3 wishes anyways since they just pay. It's how they are managing the game, like what Doro said, our voice is just not getting heard, and Mihoyo is not the type of company to stress over dramas such as this one. The only time Genshin responded to a drama was the zhongli issue (he was really weak when first released). They will choose to lose a million followers over responding or apologizing any day. when all these negative experiences pill up, the community finally exploded. Another big factor is HSR. HSR just gets way more rewards every time, and since they are from the same company and with similar gotcha systems, of-course they will be compared against, HSR has free 10 pull every patch, and now a free 5 star. What does Genshin has? Oh here's 3 pulls for playing a whole year! You get what I'm saying. In the end as Genshin players we want the game to get better and better, we also want the deves to hear us rather than ignoring complains that might make the game better for players.
别随便代表别人，孩子。
@@楊陽-d2h 是哪里说的不对了吗？ 请赐教。
As an American player I can say the only time I’ve ever seen Genshin step up to hate was when EVERY single company known to man was assaulted by players because of the 2 year anniversary. We didn’t even get compensated for the 2 voice actors either. I watched Tighnari’s former coward’s career go up in flames. In front of me. A year later and nothing from Hoyo compensating for the issue it caused. Hoyo genuinely needs to do better.
如果大家都不满，就不是掉粉百万这么简单了。即使100万都是真是用户，那也是粉丝里的少数人，对吧？绝大多数的人并没有取消关注。其次，很多是机器人和带节奏的。你只是特别关注这些信息，你接受到的片面信息导致你感觉多数原神玩家都很愤怒。然而我关注的社区多数人都很讨厌那些吵闹免费福利不够高的人。再次，虽然是同一家公司的产品，将两个完全不同的游戏进行比较，是很没有道理的事情。再再次，有些游戏赠送你几百次免费抽取奖励你也并不会去玩吧。玩一个游戏的关键并不是看福利的。
@@楊陽-d2h 粉丝群体里当然也有不在乎的。就像我说的不是所有人都在乎奖励这个事件，更多的像是一个导火索，因为米哈游原神的这个策划在这一年里面确实是做了一些让很多都让大家不满的事，然后呢，如果说原神策划能更多关注一下大家的感受，而不是每一次闹出大事件，就把头埋在地里面，当鸵鸟也不会掉粉这么多对吧？并且你说抱怨不满的打抱不平的都是少数人啊，但是就像这个视频里面这个博主说的一样和外网大多数博主说的也一样，大家还是都比较都是比较关注这件事情的，当然你觉得你还有不抠门啊，肯定是没有问题的，我们也都知道原神是个好游戏，我这这么说也不是黑任何人，也不知怎么知道，我就是单纯希望就是代表我们这些有不满的玩家，希望能希望就是一些有理性的建议，可以更多的被米哈游听取啊. 就这样这件事玩家也是互相站边，咱们互不相烦。
I love spending almost 3 years filling Genshin Survey only to get implemented for Honkai Star Rail /s
I am not touching stink rail or any new games they came out with for the end of time.
@@Bullminator I ain’t touching ZZZ either. Looks mid from what I’ve seen in CBT with people getting frustrated with the TV system
They can throw 3 free 5 stars and QoL all they want, but I’m not interested if the gameplay and story are mid af
I agree with Doro i love genshin that's why I want HOYOVERSE needs to listen to us players for quality of good rewards good quality of life more end game content so we can enjoy the game more !!!
I'm also a hardcore Genshin player, having all characters, playing since lunch, never missing a single login day, and so on...
But being positive all the time and encouraging my friends to not give up on the game (bc i try to always see the positive side of the game just like Doro) has been very difficult over the past years. As a result of 11 people (myself included), there are 4 who still play Genshin.
But Hoyoverse always gives us "something" where it is difficult to convince my friends to come back and have a fun time and so on.
And let's not start talking about the "Thank you" gift bc i also don't see the positive side of it.
I just hope that the Genshin Devs REALLY open they eyes bc i can't convince anyone to play it, so in my opinion, it's time that THEY make a difference and not just convince my Friends but the hole Community to come back.
This comment isn't meant to offend anyone or other sort of things. It's just my personal opinion at the moment. :)
Same here, man I love Genshin so much when friends are around, we used to chit chat about the game many hours a day. Losing them then playing alone is so incredibly sad
Same here bruh
how is this comment even supposed to offend someone, and if it does then fuck them
True my friend list also full of people that have been offline more than 2-3 months now
Same here, i'm always positive despite all of the drama. I think it's ok for Genshin being greedy about anything. The problem is, the bad treatment is only on Genshin, the honkai duo are not. Genshin is so lucky there are no other game with similar content(all of the Genshin killer) and better than Genshin at the moment. If Wuthering Waves smartly enough and can be better than Genshin with the community, surely more than half loyal Genshin player will gone and Cai Haoyu will regret this with his deaf and greedy to the community. No need for 100 free pull or 5 star selector, just LISTEN what players need. It's all what Genshin need, just LISTEN the player ffs
It's interesting to see honestly.
I was really into Genshin a few years ago, and stepped away due to events that were almost verbatum as to what's happening now.
What a time to get back into it, huh?
Some things might never change
I feel like at this point hoyoverse just might ignore this in hopes that it eventually blows over because of the fact that they haven’t addressed this yet
I definitely agree with you on everything. One thing everyone has been asking for is, like, you said more resin cause artifact farming is brutal, like i think majority of the artifacts is defensive which is good for characters like zhongli but its a pain if your trying to get for yr dps
i think its more insulting that they gave us three instead of none,their trying to make a fucking joke out of us(sorry for my languge) they have done this for too long and this is the last straw
im honestly glad you made this doro, i was just silently mad abt this as a very low spender (im absolutely broke bcz of life AND genshin, which is sad-) bur rhanks to this im now aware its a way bigger problem then what i thought
Oh, believe me, it's a GIANT problem. Especially since it started from the Chinese players this time, and they're the biggest profit makers for miHoYo.
Small spenders like us should stop spending on welkins (not like an extra 15 pulls will change anything for our account).
See what happens when their low spenders stop spending altogether. 😂
@@SetiKti will follow you
probably not all too much XD but yea, ive been saving my money recently, not putting it into genshin for once and it doesnt rly change much, im as unlucky as always LOL
@@SetiKt
I agree with you, Doro. The Genshin Community want to be heard. I am always hoping for better improvements in the game. I love Genshin so much, but I can't ignore the problems that need to be fixed.
I hope that Hoyo actually listen and take our constructive criticism as not an attack, but as a suggestion. Thank you for making this video!
these are basically their business tactis to keep it going, their making the rewards barley anything to try and get people to buy them with their own money.
Genshin impact is generous when it comes to content. Its just they're so slow and unresponsive when it comes to suggestions. The rewards just SUCK. that's all. Everything in Genshin is great and keeps getting better. But the reward issue is becoming such a perceived topic as TOXIC which I don't blame the community. mi Hoyo is VERY unresponsive.
Quality of Life implementations is also terrible, let’s not act like just the rewards that are the problem. Dorian summarized the issue very well, the devs just don’t listen to the community and as years goes by this is starting to weight more and more.
Hell no, Genshin in NOT generous in terms of content. It has zero endgame which sucks for the players who actively play their game. Right now Genshin consists mainly of ONE-TIME content, that is to say you play it once and it's done, you can't replay it or anything like that! We NEED endgame content in Genshin! Speak out about Genshin's problems already!
@@BulletSponge71436 Ah but you see, they have been generous to incoming players with all the optimization updates. I think they don't care about older players since there is always new players incoming and they can just replace older ones. There is nothing wrong with aiding new players, since I think the whole hierarchy thing of "We veterans etc" is stupid, but it just feels like the dev team doesn't care.
@@BulletSponge71436tests all I want from the gene, I don’t want it to be x as 24/7 game
@@freewontons You're thinking of the wrong thing. It seems that you haven't played Genshin long enough to experience all the bad things it has.
Oh, by the way, miHoYo can't use this tactic until the end of time. Sooner or later their new player income will go down and they'll even add endgame content, just not now. And since players are tired of waiting for over 3 years, they have no more patience nor excitement for anything because miHoYo just don't care. They're absolutely worse than any other gaming company in the entire world.
Also, why are you being so selfish? You're literally going against the players who just want to enjoy the game by saying all this nonsense in the comments. Your comments literally look like you're defending miHoYo for no reason xD
I have to agree with doro on this about the unfairness but atleast someone heard and made a video about it. I'm still grateful its better than nothing but still
Umm, what?
Your “it’s better than nothing” mindset is why all of this is happening in the first place.
its actually worse than nothing
@@sedij2358 still genshin is just better than HRS
Doro's video just hits differently.
Dr. Positive and Mr. Serious xD
I like you as a cc for Genshin, gladly we can hear your honest thoughts and I deeply agree with everything you said. Really appreciate it!
The sad thing is, this "straw" is a bit late, we are already more than 3 years into the game, why did that take this much time to begin with?
And to think, that at some point Eggy was warning us and almost no one was listening... It's really not a good look for a community of the game...
All they had to do was round it up to 10, but ideally 20-30 as a thank you is better. The fact the whole team thought 3 was acceptable is insane.
As a player who has been playing since 1.1, this was before even Dragonspine was on the map, and seeing this is just heartbreaking seeing how much love the people have for this game and Mihoyo just throwing in their faces hurt one's heart the people, whales and F2p alike deserve so much more. I watched this game grow over 4 years and it's sad to say other than a thing here and there nothing has changed... I truly hope that changes one of these days before it is too late,
Fun fact, they’re not changing the rewards either, let us enjoy the free 3 pulls for 3+ years of loyalty, also I’ll be waiting for you boys on Wuthering Waves, time to make Hoyoverse regret making fun of their loyal players
I definitely agree, I will be playing Wuthering Waves when it's out, and I hope it will cause competition to Genshin.
not to gatekeep Kuro Game but if you keep playing Genshin then Genshin doesn't lose a single player. Player retention matters as well so if you actually stop playing Genshin for like maybe a few months they might start to actually notice the reduction in player retention
Don't think they regret anything with that fat load of gold bars in their pockets. If anything happens to their game, they just make a new game and try to milk or attract lots of people to pay from little to tons of money. They're eating so good, they can be super egoistic/greedy. They have three big games that are super popular, so they're not scared of anything.
I understand people want more rewards, but for those who just play for free, don’t be a beggar, it’s quite ugly.
If WuWa is there around the time of the genshin anniversary then something will definitely happen.
If they give poor appreciation to the players again when a potential competitor is there.
They might regret it.
Especially if players who didn't know about WuWa starts playing it since they will understand how Kuro games treat their players.
Thanks bro , you gained my (or our?) respect.
This situation is truly ridiculous and they are dead silent 🔕 which make me more frustrated.
I hope they at least aknowleadge content creators (because those surveys and our reviews mean nothing apparently)
I never really cared for the rewards. I was in this for the beautiful world, story and characters… but this- yeah this hurt. Ever since the livestream I looked at Genshin and started thinking “do I really want to log in?” Like ugh I didn’t care too much about how they treated us compared to Star Rail but that 3 intertwined fates really was a nail in the coffin. I’ll still play Genshin to do dailies but honestly, that’s it. I’m still looking forward to lantern rite since it’ll be my first, I’ll do Xianyun’s story quest and pull for her. Then that’s it. I’ll focus back on FFXIV where they actually love the PLAYERBASE!! Then even Persona 3 Reload. I love Genshin, but right now, I can’t look at it the same way anymore
i quitted way back years ago because of those issues. yet watching this now.. realizing that they didnt changed a thing. players still playing this feels all the same.. they feel frustrated.
As a mostly f2p (only have bought the Welkin) who's new (have been playing for literally 3ish months) I completely agree, especially about the replay past events thing. I love Kaeya and Kaveh, they are two of my favorite characters. I would be overjoyed if I got to play the early Genshin Montsdat event about Kaeya and Diluc that I missed or the Sumeru Kaveh and Alhaithem event from a year ago. I would absolutely love more rewards and better treatment because this is a beautiful game and I've quickly fallen in love with it
As long as the story, art, design, and music stay at the same level or improve, I don't care about some silly rewards. I guess it's good that these little riots happen to keep them on their toes.
Genshin in being slow, i was about to quit but… i love Genshin i just couldn't, i hope genshin will be better in the future.
Thank you! Actually good take. It’s not just the rewards, it’s the build up. Again and again, good QoLs never come, Dehya, rewards every year, lack of communication, etc
The Genshin and HSR different treatment isn't only about the reward. It's about how the dev team response. That one time when HSR is not even 3 months old, the dev already be updating ton of QoLs from the basic one to the most specific one, like how HSR dev team actually made a specific feature to turn off a certain light effect because a player said Seele's Ult is too bright or a feature to hide the black bar in the bottom of the screen, also other useful QoLs such as increase Trailblaze Power cap from 180 to 240, add Reserve Trailblaze Power, dialogue history (which I doubt gonna be useful in Genshin since most just skip it, but for me, a story enjoyer, it's best QoL), add chat feature, birthday reward being a stellar jade, relic auto equip, and Tears of Dream, Early Access to a character material if you haven't unlocked it, and so on.
More QoL in less than a year compared to Genshin in 3 years
For what it's worth I enjoy your positive outlook. I do think there is a definite space for content like this and creators that talk about the negative side, but you have to have a balance. Keep it up.
I still love this game and will always play it but it is a shame they don’t seem to care about their players
Even if i still love genshin, they should really upgrade those kind of things, even if it's better than nothing, giving three free wish to thanks for the support and so on feels a bit like a joke... Even the old banners of 5 stars characters (like Albedo, klee and so on) are even more complicated to get as they are more banners to come with new characters and so on and as a f2p player it's hard sometimes to want to save for a character that you don't know when it will come back.
I play both Genshin and Destiny, and despite how fundamentally different they are as games, it feels like their respective companies have the same mentality towards them. “Over delivery” is somehow a cardinal sin, and as soon as something else (Star Rail, and possibly Marathon) gets QoL we’ve been asking for for years well before we do, it feels like a punch in the gut. Part of me wonders if the Genshin team wants to add these highly requested things but the higher-ups are shutting them down like laid off members of the Destiny team revealed.
Thank you Doro for using your platform to bring up this issue. The only way we'll get change is from content creators also speaking out about this 🙏
Doro, glad to finally hear your voice of it in here (youtube). because i watch your content (youtube only) and whilst everything that has been happening so far that it involved you got me a little worried. but thank you for finally making a video of this situation.
I play star rail not genshin (not into those big exploration games), but I really hope to see the day where y’all get the same respect we get
as someone who plays both it really does feel like genshin is that middle child who gets neglected. i love genshin more than star rail but my god i always feel envious of all the good rewards star rail gets.
I used to play genshin,I play star rail now,and I don't think I'll return but I do hope people get better treatment like we do because it's just honestly not fair,bro these people be convincing themselves that what they get is enough and that they should be grateful 😭💀
I've dealt with it and I got tired of it.Never again will I support people who clearly don't care about what they create.
I stop playing star rail for three months and just installed it again since I want to catch up with the lore, and to my surprise, I still managed to catch up to the latest story. And damn, up until now, I'm still surprise to have a free 5 star character that is connected to the game itself. And I managed to like Dr. Ratio as a character too. Seeing those welcome back rewards, and those new patch free pulls is a feast for me. Like wwwoooowwww. Those other events too, like...I was actually overwhelmed with the amount of rewards I'm getting, which of course, I'm very thankful for.
So as someone who played genshin since its released...I was also very disappointed at the rewards and can't help but compare it to star rail. I love both of course, but genshin players were not being appreciated enough.
what pains me is the genshin fans saying its ok everythings fine dont ask for more, like why what are you even defending. we know they can do these things so what are you so against, are you worried people will get 5 stars, and as for the oh they will loose money, no they wont they will attract people to play and insentivise loyalty to the game. @@_HanaPanda
Dont forget the skin selector, something we have been asking for for years, was put behind buying a ps5. a 500 dollar purchase for 800 primos and a skin selector. its.... kinda greedy and hurtful to see a reward that should have been or could have been a nice "thank you reward" for lantern rite!
with star rail getting so much qol QUICKLY and being so generous ontop of genshins devs being so weirdly stingy its getting hard to just idlily accept it. Especially with how much i love genshin, its lore and its characters are amazing, it seems like such a waste to not want to improve on that
I like your content and positivity and im also happy that you speak up about this situation, ill stop spending money on this game until they actually start to care about the community.
In hsr,you can manage an museum,manage your ghostbuster team,and in genshin,you have a glider
Didn't know that there's an issue going on, I really don't care much about the free fates or not having free 5 star. And I see the game as good as it is. (Maybe because I'm more into appreciating the Lore, Music, and Details) It's true that Genshin Impact lacks communication with their community, but there's not that much going on actually, this isn't that big of an issue. Be mad at me if you will, but all I see are ppl jealous at HSR updates.
And honestly, for me who doesn't have a lot of time due to a lot of work irl, Genshin is doing a great job so I would still have time to play and catch up to the updates before the next update. With the new area and story quests, it will take me atleast 2 weeks to 100% the area and do the quests. Which is enough content tbh. For the resin cap, I think Hoyo is just making it so that we can play Genshin in a slower progression.(If you get what I mean) Better artifact system, I definitely agree. Better rewards, I agree as well, but then again they want the game in a slower progression so it's fine.
And what else? I see nothing wrong with the game. You can't add an auto-fighting system because this isn't turn-based game, and It's not pain in the as to farm for artifacts, atleast for me who enjoys battling.
Already saw Tenha talk about it. I agree fully with him, if only Hoyo didn't said how grateful for the support they are but just silently slipped 3 wished into our pockets, everything would be fine. Waiting Dawei react to this.
Upd. Love how genshin haters hype on this topic like Hoyo will be bankrupt in next hour, just because f2p don't have enough free stuff.
So TRUE. yea it was a blunder from dev genshin sadly
No buddy, they did this last year. At this point people are just realizing hoyo is shit and is turning this game to shit
@@katalyst_ Better later than never I suppose
@@katalyst_ they undoubtedly succeeded turning you to shit
Yep, "thank you for having with us for 3 years, here's 3 pulls for that" is a hard slap on the face.
One of the people who used to work for HI3 now working on Genshin is notorious for being stingey when he left HI3 got more rewards after the said person left HI3 to work on Genshin so to fix this has to be remove the person in terms of decision making since his mindset is be cheap and temp people to swipe
Yep Cai haoyu needs to be removed
Do you have a source on that? I am getting mixed results on whether that statement is actually true.
I don't think ppl should jump to conclusion like that and just roast the genshin producer without having actual proof if he was actually involved in making these rewards
@@aquaEX the old hi3 producer Cai Haoyu in the first 3 anniversaries he didn’t give the players that many rewards and the players got mad so the changed him to David Jiang and the rewards started to get better with so many freebies and literally give you now and then a free S rank character (S rank=5*) and David is also the same producer of hsr that’s why the players get so many freebies
@@EvaLanaridythe same guy also believes we shouldn’t have a pity system so there’s also that
DORO i kindly request you to NOT PAY A SINGLE PENNY to them.they treat us like their wallet.what are they thinking?
WE ARE HUMANS AND PLAYERS WHO LOVE THIS GAME.its not about rewards I'm f2p BTW still FU*K THOSE FATES I want RESPECT and I LIVE FOR it.also we need major changes which can only be heard by them when their flow of money reduced alot.i request every p2w players to experience the f2p life and understand our struggle.
I've given up, but I spent money on Genshin, and played F2P on Honkai Star Rail. when Honkai Star Rail gives a prize it's more likely to be the result of the money I gave Genshin
I’m a CN player, although half the CN community(or less or more, idk) has drama with Genshin, in my opinion, yes they should’ve gave us more but, like it just depends on what you think, Genshin is my comfort game, I like talking with my friends online there, I can listen to the music and chill in game
And although I quited (because of lack of storage)
And plus, Genshin and Star rail are both made by HoYo, Genshin is an older game, which probably tend to have les updates now and then, Star rail is a newer game so people tend to line it better and hoyo has been focusing more towards it, both games are good, yes, but again- it just depends on your opinions and yes it needs to give us more(but I have seen a lot of people that have sent death threats, through comments, reviews, etc, which is wrong, you can hate but like why send death threats?)
Genshin is all about money but... Just imagine how MUCH MORE revenue they could be making if they listened to us?? Smh...
less a lot less more rewards mean less ppl spend money
@@anteprs7908on the contrary, people would be inclined to spend more if there was content we could actually test our characters and if the devs actually listened to their community feedback
@@anteprs7908 tunneled vision, more players would stay in this game and recommend this game to other people, hoyo would definitely get more money treating their players well. Saying this as one of the people who stopped playing and spending money there months ago.
@@anteprs7908 It isn't just about the rewards, adding qol changed replayable events more endgame etc would make more people interested in the game which means more revenue
@@anteprs7908 nah thats cap. more reward more player playing (new player increase because good rewards, old player returned for the good reward, less player quit the game) > more money + good reputation
Thanks man, every content creators and every players should address this, not only from CN player but also globally. Let us see if Genshin will ever hear us.
you be suprised how many would disagree with this takes most of us like the game enough and dotntwant hardcore content and dont care for rewards we play for story,exploration and chrs. the ppl on social media are often a huge minority when it come the gamer full playerbase.
What would hurt their wallets The most is if everybody went free to play still played the game and played it heavily so all their servers had to run but all of a sudden they had no income
Thank you for this video as a contact creator you speak for the community so I’m glad that you have our back
They really do hate us, since their tone and their wording announcing that was very rude. They also have the same person who is known for being cheap and giving sh*tty rewards and is currently the director of Genshin
if it helps, we recently found out that the writer for the Penacony Arc of Star Rail is also the writer that has a reputation for writing heartbreaking stories in their previous game, Honkai Impact 3rd. so that's going to be a fun thing to watch out for in Penacony
But thats not bad, thats actually good @@connorradcliffe1769
He's getting all of that sweet sweet cash and genshin bucks. He doesn't care. Why should he? He's acting like some kind of demi-deity.
Cai Haoyu...
I agree 100% with everything Doro said, Genshin needs new updates and improved content, BUT I can't imagine Genshin players not spending a single cent in the game for a long time
people be talking about dehya needing a buff, but no one talks about klee needing a buff more than she does, all she needs to be useful is her burst working off field
SHUT UP AND SPEND MONEY ON THE CONS TO DO THAT :P
it sucks that only the CN server is striking though, ai personally think we’d be more visible if all of us joined them as well
I´m so glad that you covered this topic. After the xianyun trailer I thought that everybody had forgotten about the recent events.
oh right this -- I forgot to look up why / the demand
0:43 My first Lantern Rite