43:35 I was 17 years old when I watched this scene, and have never forgotten the quote from Milton. RIP Ed Asner. I spoke with you back in 2002, and you were really a regular, though extraordinary, guy.
There is a key line "Those who Care" about Children being exposed to Porn, even Extreme Porn. In the UK Children are being charged with Sexual Offences at a rate never seen before. 1 in 10 unde 9's hsve viewed Porn. Could YOU have dealt well with Extreme Porn at 9?
Not ever book is appropriate fro high school level, just as not all movies are appropriate for children. Don’t burn the books. But parents should have the right to decide which books their children will read and study.
PPS Charlie Hebdo magazine based in Paris. 12 Murdered 11 Injured. As Charlie says People take cartoons Very Seriously. Amazing how issues covered in Lou Grant never go away.
A very good episode about a very relevant topic. Sometimes I think mid to late 20th century TV was better at handling these issues than 2010s/2020s TV. Obviously, this episode takes the side of free speech and free exchange of ideas, but they also presented the arguments for the other side in detail, and noted some of the appealing aspects (protecting young people, stopping social decay). Something tells me that modern so-called "woke" TV writers would do a horrible job of presenting this debate. I am open to correction on this point if someone wants to give examples to the contrary.
I absolutely agree with your impression … I choke knowing that 3rd grade social studies books are now written with transsexual, non-binary, etc … sexuality doesn’t belong in grammar school social studies … it’s straight up brainwashing of children by a publicly funded educational institution … in short, the Emperor is wearing no clothes …
Lou Grant: The only show where the boom mic is on screen so much its credited and gets SAG pay 😂 On a serious note, it could be that when they ran these re-runs on cable they ran them "too big" and the parts of the frame that would normally not be shown were shown.
And what do viewers think of 'Reverse' Censorship? Roald Dahl's books that have been popular with kids for decades has now been got at by the PC Brigade - what about Their Censorship? Roald Dahl's books are no longer written in His Style. That is Cultural Vandalism, what about that? He made a reference to Rudyard Kipling & now the girls ( oh so sorry not allowed to use the term girl ) at Puffin/Penquin/Random House have changed his Choice of reference to Jane Austen! Doubt Dahl ever read Austen. What about this form of Censorship?
Students are supposed to be taught how to think. That necessitates exposure to a wide array of topics and a wide array of viewpoints on those topics. However, as demonstrated in this episode, there is a certain element of society which wants to teach students what to think. To that end, that element resorts to the banning of books, using "protecting" students from "offensive" perspectives. We know of the recent case in the local school district in Utah, where the ban worked so well that it actually backfired on its Theocratic supporters in that the district even banned the Bible. Clearly, this is an example of the law of unintended consequences being enforced. Nonetheless, the Bible does contain favorable mentions of certain practices which most people today would rightly find reprehensible. Therein lies the problem for those who lust after book bans: If such bans are to be enacted, they must be consistently enforced, even on the one publication the authors of such bans demand everyone read and accept, not as mere literature, but as the sole source of "truth". To put it another way: Those who live by the book ban must die by the book ban.-A paraphrase of Matthew 26:52. Something else the supporters of book bans must remember is that a ban won't stop people from reading publications they don't like. Consequently, it is, regrettably, not a stretch at all from bans to burnings and other forms of destruction. Neither is it a stretch to blacklisting authors of affected publications and those who read such publications-whether or not the readers agree with what is written. The term for that is "guilt by association". Is that what "we, the people", want within our Nation? This episode is a strong warning of what can happen if we just sit back and let it. Indeed, it's already happening all across the land. What will we do about it? What are we doing about it?
Nothing wrong with open classroom discussions. Sheltering children and cutting off information to kids can be dangerous. Pregnancies, drug use, suicides because of gender or sexual orientation issues. May do more harm than good. Can shelter them forever and you don’t them getting bad information out in the streets. Do you?
And those problems have never been as bad!!! So what is your point? Or are you just a fan of Extreme Porn. Ironic that the teacher who thinks schoolkids should discuss whether whores are Legal or not was thankful She did Not have to go Topless in her new job!!! Racism is Taught, Most things have to be Taught.
That irony is what makes this such a good quotation for Rossi to use in this context. Those who support the banning of publications and discussions are very much following in the footsteps of their Puritanical forefathers. Who better to make the case against that than a Puritan?
I always knock the Internet on how easy it is to fix spelling, punctuation or other errors as there is no accountability nor responsibility when it comes to posting on the Internet opposed to actual books that have been published however that first scene of the book burning, I actually have something good to say about it. In fact, I just recently experienced an perfect example. Once you post something, it never really stays away unlike in this example, there is a possibility of media being destroyed forever. My example would be a UA-cam channel that took down a farewell video for hosts that was laid off... well, the channel higher management didn't like that so they took it down. Well, someone captured it and re-uploaded it elsewhere 10:05 Nothing says a great night out like eating Pay Day candy bar while playing a Pay Day board game 14:04 I had no idea "common core" math was this old. I thought it was something that was invented in recent years. What are these people planning on doing? Going all the way to Washington DC and burn every book in the Library of Congress? I moderately agree with the Paul Revere Society that morals and values need to be put back into schools but not to the extent of book burning and certainly not television sets that cost half a grand. According to the AARP website, a 20" television set cost $500 (and a hernia), $1,191.40 in 2020's money. Can you imagine setting a $1,191.40 television set, let alone anything that cost $1,191.40 on fire?
@Angel Bulldog I don't even remember writing this comment. You must have really dug deep in the list to find mine seeing how old it is. I am honored you chose mine ro be one to reply to.
There was a sign on the adult bookstore that said "Ladies Free." What would that mean? They can't just take merchandise for free, and it's unlikely that the store charges admission to get in. So what do they get for free?
There is a running gag among the UA-cam crowd about this show that says when you see a boom mic, take a drink of your nearest edible liquid. It is rumored to see a boom mic in every single episode... sort of like there is a Micky head in every single Disney movie.
43:35 I was 17 years old when I watched this scene, and have never forgotten the quote from Milton.
RIP Ed Asner. I spoke with you back in 2002, and you were really a regular, though extraordinary, guy.
1980 -- 2022 the dates change, but not the issues, Only difference is that we are not so civil anymore
Which Issues?
@@cathykinn4516 watch the show again
There is a key line "Those who Care" about Children being exposed to Porn, even Extreme Porn. In the UK Children are being charged with Sexual Offences at a rate never seen before. 1 in 10 unde 9's hsve viewed Porn. Could YOU have dealt well with Extreme Porn at 9?
How little we have changed. This show could have been made in 2022 and have still been relevant.
And You think the World is better for less censorship?
Not ever book is appropriate fro high school level, just as not all movies are appropriate for children. Don’t burn the books. But parents should have the right to decide which books their children will read and study.
PPS Charlie Hebdo magazine based in Paris. 12 Murdered 11 Injured. As Charlie says People take cartoons Very Seriously. Amazing how issues covered in Lou Grant never go away.
Small towns = small minds.
Miss. Kiefer was teaching grown ass kids, not toddlers, jeez.
Racism is taught. Why not allow young minds to develop on their own lines instead of force feeding them.
Airdate 4 Feb. 1980. 5:42 "It's less open than when I was a student here 12 years ago:"...1968 🐵
A very good episode about a very relevant topic.
Sometimes I think mid to late 20th century TV was better at handling these issues than 2010s/2020s TV. Obviously, this episode takes the side of free speech and free exchange of ideas, but they also presented the arguments for the other side in detail, and noted some of the appealing aspects (protecting young people, stopping social decay).
Something tells me that modern so-called "woke" TV writers would do a horrible job of presenting this debate. I am open to correction on this point if someone wants to give examples to the contrary.
I absolutely agree with your impression …
I choke knowing that 3rd grade social studies books are now written with transsexual, non-binary, etc …
sexuality doesn’t belong in grammar school social studies … it’s straight up brainwashing of children by a publicly funded educational institution …
in short, the Emperor is wearing no clothes …
Lou Grant: The only show where the boom mic is on screen so much its credited and gets SAG pay 😂
On a serious note, it could be that when they ran these re-runs on cable they ran them "too big" and the parts of the frame that would normally not be shown were shown.
Beaaaahhahaha.😝
This episode is so true
In what way?
Now, 2024 were fighting this same battle. Our battle cry led by Kamala.."We Wont Go Back!".
Arab money . . . Made in 1980, the year of Abscam.
And what do viewers think of 'Reverse' Censorship? Roald Dahl's books that have been popular with kids for decades has now been got at by the PC Brigade - what about Their Censorship? Roald Dahl's books are no longer written in His Style. That is Cultural Vandalism, what about that? He made a reference to Rudyard Kipling & now the girls ( oh so sorry not allowed to use the term girl ) at Puffin/Penquin/Random House have changed his Choice of reference to Jane Austen! Doubt Dahl ever read Austen. What about this form of Censorship?
makes me want to SCREAM !
Do you send your kids to school to teach them how to think or what to think?
Yes
both!
Students are supposed to be taught how to think. That necessitates exposure to a wide array of topics and a wide array of viewpoints on those topics. However, as demonstrated in this episode, there is a certain element of society which wants to teach students what to think. To that end, that element resorts to the banning of books, using "protecting" students from "offensive" perspectives. We know of the recent case in the local school district in Utah, where the ban worked so well that it actually backfired on its Theocratic supporters in that the district even banned the Bible. Clearly, this is an example of the law of unintended consequences being enforced. Nonetheless, the Bible does contain favorable mentions of certain practices which most people today would rightly find reprehensible. Therein lies the problem for those who lust after book bans: If such bans are to be enacted, they must be consistently enforced, even on the one publication the authors of such bans demand everyone read and accept, not as mere literature, but as the sole source of "truth". To put it another way: Those who live by the book ban must die by the book ban.-A paraphrase of Matthew 26:52.
Something else the supporters of book bans must remember is that a ban won't stop people from reading publications they don't like. Consequently, it is, regrettably, not a stretch at all from bans to burnings and other forms of destruction. Neither is it a stretch to blacklisting authors of affected publications and those who read such publications-whether or not the readers agree with what is written. The term for that is "guilt by association". Is that what "we, the people", want within our Nation? This episode is a strong warning of what can happen if we just sit back and let it. Indeed, it's already happening all across the land. What will we do about it? What are we doing about it?
Nothing wrong with open classroom discussions. Sheltering children and cutting off information to kids can be dangerous. Pregnancies, drug use, suicides because of gender or sexual orientation issues. May do more harm than good. Can shelter them forever and you don’t them getting bad information out in the streets. Do you?
And those problems have never been as bad!!! So what is your point? Or are you just a fan of Extreme Porn. Ironic that the teacher who thinks schoolkids should discuss whether whores are Legal or not was thankful She did Not have to go Topless in her new job!!! Racism is Taught, Most things have to be Taught.
PS John Milton did Rossi say? John Milton the PURITAN Poet? Ironic.
That irony is what makes this such a good quotation for Rossi to use in this context. Those who support the banning of publications and discussions are very much following in the footsteps of their Puritanical forefathers. Who better to make the case against that than a Puritan?
Seems Texas thinks it's 1980
I love this tv shows was in college always took time to watch
I think, ths is the most disturbing Episode of Lou Grant!
In what way?
38:29
I'm worried about my skirt. I've lost all feeling from the hips down.
1984! great book!
There's Sparky from the MTM Show! She plays a quite different character here!
Anna M. Yeah, TWINKS. She also played Sgt. Joe Becker’s wife on Rockford.
Richard Dysart...L.A. Law.
I always knock the Internet on how easy it is to fix spelling, punctuation or other errors as there is no accountability nor responsibility when it comes to posting on the Internet opposed to actual books that have been published however that first scene of the book burning, I actually have something good to say about it. In fact, I just recently experienced an perfect example. Once you post something, it never really stays away unlike in this example, there is a possibility of media being destroyed forever. My example would be a UA-cam channel that took down a farewell video for hosts that was laid off... well, the channel higher management didn't like that so they took it down. Well, someone captured it and re-uploaded it elsewhere 10:05 Nothing says a great night out like eating Pay Day candy bar while playing a Pay Day board game 14:04 I had no idea "common core" math was this old. I thought it was something that was invented in recent years. What are these people planning on doing? Going all the way to Washington DC and burn every book in the Library of Congress? I moderately agree with the Paul Revere Society that morals and values need to be put back into schools but not to the extent of book burning and certainly not television sets that cost half a grand. According to the AARP website, a 20" television set cost $500 (and a hernia), $1,191.40 in 2020's money. Can you imagine setting a $1,191.40 television set, let alone anything that cost $1,191.40 on fire?
@Angel Bulldog I don't even remember writing this comment. You must have really dug deep in the list to find mine seeing how old it is. I am honored you chose mine ro be one to reply to.
Does anyone know why episode 8 is missing?
There was a sign on the adult bookstore that said "Ladies Free." What would that mean? They can't just take merchandise for free, and it's unlikely that the store charges admission to get in. So what do they get for free?
You answered your own question.
@@MrMenefrego1 Could you elaborate, please?
@@davide123 It is "unlikely" but not impossible.
First it was Burn the books, then it was destroy the statues. What is next?
Dancing
@@Zoomer30 Everybody FOOTLOOSE!
"Wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch Menschen" - "Where will be books burnt, will be burnt people"
Statues celibrating traitors should have never gone up .
@@pooddescrewch8718 -statues celebrating criminals should never go up
At the 37:32 mark the overhead boom mic can be seen coming into frame.
I noticed the same on an earlier episode
There is a running gag among the UA-cam crowd about this show that says when you see a boom mic, take a drink of your nearest edible liquid. It is rumored to see a boom mic in every single episode... sort of like there is a Micky head in every single Disney movie.
Control is an illusion .
Hi okl
Also Jon Teney. Later on played in "The Closer."
Didn’t see Jon Teney in this? Am I blind AND blond? Lol
Jon Terry, not Jon Tenney
The last thing we need is a big rukus. What's next, a burhaha?
They'd be burning their cellphones today.
Good to burn Under 16's phones if they're watching Extreme Porn which, thanks to the Liberals, they can.