Thank you for this. Informative without going too far down the rabbit hole and losing the point. I see lots of undervolt videos and nothing about the load line. It helped me get more boost and cooler cooler temps. Can't beat that.
Thank you for that. Without the extra step that you showed I could only cap out at -33. I could do higher for Cinebench but it failed on stability tests. Once I adjusted the LLC I was able to get it to pass OCCT running for an hour at -40 and capped out at 75C. it should be noted that the LLC does increase temps the higher you go but I was still able to keep everything at a reasonable temp with a 280mm AIO.
Just an fyi, but before touching load line calibration check for stability of the curve offset first. If you don’t need to touch the load line, don’t. It still increases voltage under load compared to auto which leads to higher temps. This is just to make certain offsets stable when needed.
You probably don't have to worry about it because you're undervolting, but the issue with setting a stiffer LLC is it can cause voltage spikes on transient loads. Youre fully loaded, the LLC is compensating, there's a cache or memory stall which unloads your CPU but because you're running extra vdroop compensation your voltage spikes until the power stages catch up or the CPU loads again. Finding the stiffest value that doesn't cause this requires hooking up an oscilloscope to the voltage probe points on your motherboard, as it varies by model/manufacturer/bios revision.
I've been building pcs for fun for over 20 years. I retired early ,age39 (hey Fu I'm still young at heart) lol but 1) I always buy nvidia gpus And 2) up until last year always purchased Intel cpus. Last year I built 3 pcs for myself. Total overkill, one was for my virtualpinball build I built,the other was for my 32inch rec room masters arcade cabinet build. Both pcs are identical, msi mpg x570 gaming edge wifi motherboards, Ryzen9 5900x cpus, Nzxt 360mm aio coolers , both in corsair 5000D airflow cases. The only difference was (remember this was during the gpu drought) my virtual pinball machine has a rtx3090 founders edition, and my arcade has a rtx3080ti. I fell in love with amd cpus specifically that ryzen 9 5900x 24threads @4.7ghz was no problem. Ok sorry for the backstop but if everyone here is into pcs and tuning them etc, I love seeing peoples builds and hearing them talk about their systems just as car enthusiasts have car shows. Anyway, I went with the gigabyte Aorus X670E Master motherboard (thank God so nothing exploded) ryzen 9 7950X3D, grabbed the only pcie5 m.2 drive I could find (microcenter Inland 2tb pcie5 m.2 drive for only $179!!, and yes it gets read and write speeds over 10,000gb/s) It took lots of updating drivers and bios's but finally the cpu is running as intended. I think I just set my negative to -20 and left it. Right now I'm using the motherboard above, so hoping some of you are familiar with the layout. 1) I'm unsure but are you saying the graph you show , if its still on a negative curve , even on extreme, it's safe to leave it like that? 2) under where we turn pbo on to advanced, then motherboard, there's a scalar option that's on auto but goes 1-10. Should we just leave that alone? Lastly, I want to apologize for all the questions, if you got to know me you would know I try and help every person I can for arcade builds, pcs etc. But I'm a grown man and can admit, all my years of experience isn't really helping with this ryzen9 7950x3d. It idles around 40°C and usually games or benchmarks around 60-65°c. Does that seem like normal temperatures? My cpu cooler is once again the NZXT 360MM kraken. I appreciate anyone whose read this, I have a disability after almost being killed at work so I'm still trying to fight my way back mentally. As I always do, I like and subscribe to any fellow tech youtuber, even though I'm new at it and onky have 1500members lol 😅
Thank you guys for taking the time to read my long ramblings lol I've loved building pcs since my first 386sx 25mhz pc build. I think it had windows 3.1? Or windows for workgroups whatever was before windows 95. Lol it basically could only run the paint app. Then I went to a computer show , some of you who are in your 40's like me remember having to go to computer shows to buy our hardware before the internet. Lol scored a intel 486DX 66MHZ CPU, WITH 4MB OF RAM. LOL God anyone remember having to run memmaker? Because of the way we had to run games in DOS? Lol
Coupled with the other replies, you must remember that the x3d is different than the x, which you normally wouldn't set to the highest setting. The x3d voltage won't go above its limit. LLC only helps the vdroop remain more stable.
Mine can only do -20 negative offset. Your one must be a super golden sample. But, I made sure mine is stable on every stress test and game test possible
@@AverageAsianJoe Those are the weakest cores, so offsetting those isn't going to reduce temps all that much. In fact, the gaming cores have less room for offset than the other cores. The main reason why the 7950X3D is lower power than a 7950X is because of those gaming cores being lower clocked and temperature limited by the 3DVCACHE, which heats things up. So the main problem is the weaker cores run hot, and can't be undervolted as much, while the stronger cores run cooler at the same clocks but also reach higher clocks. The problem with LLC though is while it stops Vdroop, the opposite side of that coin is you get voltage spikes when load drops, which is actually worse for your CPU in the long run, because you're getting a lot of voltage pumped through a core that is essentially idle, which is far worse, because you're not doing anything with that energy, it's just scouring through the circuits with nowhere to go but to dissipate into heat, which means you might not get higher overall temps, but you will get very high temps over a smaller area of the chip that the sensors won't pick up. So it's like if a small part of your cores suddenly went up to 100c, but in such a small area that as it dissipates through the chip, by the time it reaches the sensor it's only reading at 70c or less. This means very sharp spikes in voltage/energy, which is worse for electronics than a gradual shift. Temps aren't what kills hardware, it's voltage over time, and voltage spikes. The sudden shifts in voltage results in more dramatic energetic activities in the materials of the chip. This is one reason why the IHS is soo thick in the first place, it's to keep different areas of the chip from becoming too different in temperature, otherwise those temperature differences at such small scales results in more stress on the materials, including physical cracking and delamination from each other. That's the main reason why the VCACHE is limited in temp. Not because it can't run at those temps, but because it would crack/delaminate from the CPU, because it's not so much built into the CPU, but rather, pasted on top of it and connected by thin circuits. If it was actually manufactured with the chip itself, rather than manufactured separately, the temp limits wouldn't even exist.
My maaan! I've got the gigabyte Aorus x670 Elite AX REV 1.2 board and the bios is the same as yours. Great explaining what this negative CO does even though I already knew from hours and hours of reddit threads =). I came here to see if I could learn something new that's all! I'm a happy subscriber and hope you can bring more nice content soon for my 7800X3D.
@@beardoguyyes of course it got the bclk multipliers and the voltage settings. I haven't made any successful boots with increasing the bclk even to 102.if I had the Asus main board there is modes like eclk 1 and 2 and also asosynchronos mode. My board doesn't have any of those. Those high end Asus board cost like 700 bucks. Mine was around 200, 250 bucks. U get what u pay for. I'm currently happy with the ram tunings I got it to run at CL 26 even though it's cl30 rated. Hynix A die 😅
I didn't win the Silicon Lottery and left it on auto and got better performance. So placed my NVME Drive to the middle of the MB and got PCIE4 instead of PCIE3 and got better performance but ran hott. My graphics card slowed down so I placed it back and the NVME is just a little slower but the GPU is at full speed. Cheers!
What wasnt mentioned is that you can also get a mobo that has an external clock generator and overclock the cpu bus. Something to consider additionally is that extreme LLC will put strain on the VRM. Depending on your board and your cooling scenario this can affect the life of your motherboard. Air cooling is actually better for cooling the VRM.
Overclocking the FSB is just an all around bad idea because now you are talking about OC’ing multiple components within the system………thereby increasing points of failure.
@@arlowicks9359 Yes……you are correct, the fsb can be overclocked by itself without affecting other components……yet……… it is still a bad idea and probably not worth the effort for the minor gains and eventual instability. What’s stable today probably won’t be stable in a few days.
@@techluvin7691 Whether it is a good idea or not, I'd actually have to try it to know. It worked out really well on intel sky lake providing massive gains on locked processors. This is different as the I believe the x3d processors are running closer to their limits than the locked intel chips.. As for eventual instability, thats nonsense... Like I said, maybe good, maybe bad.
This makes sense, but then Bullzoid suggests that LLC is generally a bad thing, because of the spikes it causes. Confusing... Couldn't you just reduce the CO offset and get the same VCORE result as raising the LLC, but with less transient spikes?
@@Trampus10-4 make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Wait..... But if you're reducing the voltage per clock under a specific load..... Then raising the LLC..... That means that the voltage is higher at a specific load so you're undoing the benefits you just got from Curve optimiser. This does not make sense to me
CO undervolts the old 5Ghz. But now at same voltage you get 5.2Ghz. This is not stable at the same voltage so you need overvoltage, since the CPU is locked, LLC is overvoltage workaround.
Negative 15 BSOD's me. However, my 7800x3d did win on the FLCK lottery and im able to run a 6400mhz memmory kit with 2133mhz on the infinity fabric. So the lottery is not speficly bound to the curve optimiser.
CPU soc voltage is very important, not just something people are talking about these days lolllllll and for x3d parts, i would seriously consider looking into the purpose of vdroop. Cool overview though. Also worth disabling integrated graphics, actually makes a diff believe it or not
I used 35 for the undervolt and scored 37103 on cinebench R23, however i hit a high temp of 85.9 degrees. I see you hit over 90 degrees. No thermal throttling for me, i changed my thermal throttle to 90 degrees anyway, but im just ssying. I could probably go negative 40 but its gonna put my temps over 90 degrees. Im using a 360mm nzxt kraken AIO cooler which is really good, 85.9 is the hottest ive ever seen it get
I just switched to these AMD CPUs and clearly I need to read up and learn. Because this video to me seems like there's a single attribute (core voltage) that is controlled by two settings, curve and LLC. And that we can lower core voltage more if at the same time we raise it using LLC. I must have misunderstood something.
CO is undervolting for the old frequency but actually the voltage stays the same and now you get a higher Frequency at same voltage, as measured with a voltmeter...
Not sure what I’m doing wrong. Using a 7800 x3d and a rog strix b650a. Set the negative on minus 35 on all cores. And the LLC on level 3 of possible 4. My voltage goes up a little from 0.993V to 1.065V during cinebench. Tried some other LLC levels but only the cpu temperature decreases a little bit. Voltage goes up. Did I miss something?
checking this video was nice info due im soon upgradeing to a 7800x3D but i did notice you hit 90c on both the core and die temps more or less noticed any thermal throttleing etc bcs of that since it seems high i also know after checking videos that the 7000 series seems to run abit higher temps then the 5000 series but 90c feels abit hot what cooler are you using?
i use a Be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4. Set your PBO Thernal Limit to 80°C and check your Vcore max in uefi. is it higher than 1.25 set it manualy to 1.2 or - 1.15 volt
any idea why no matter what curves i set i get no instability also 7800xd im only scoring 15-16k cb23 temps maxing around 81 it seems like no matter what setting i do nothing changes. i feel like i should be benching 19k ddr56000, 360 aio volts also always look the same under all settings i try
Don’t think that an AIO is gonna give you -10 C. That ain’t happening. I cool an i9-12900k with a Noctua NH-D15S and it barely hits 82 C at 100% CPU load.
Cinebench is a benchmark and does not test for complete accuracy. You can be Cinebench stable but still crash inexplicably every month or week when some error hits a critical part. It really depends on what you can deal with. If you don't mind some random crashes, use Cinebench as a quick and dirty stability test. Otherwise use Prime95 which loads the CPU and matches computed values with known accurate values. Use the blend test in Prime95 to stress both CPU and memory controller. You will find that you will have to dial back a lot to get it Prime95 stable. And do run it for at least an hour because 1 pass of small fft (everything laoded into cache) will take up to 10 min before it moves to large fft (stresses memory controller as some RAM is used). Run it over night without any errors and you are rock stable.
That was not the point of the video; however, your point stands and it is good info to share. The only adjustment I'd make to your comment is that some of the stability tests are unrealistic and most users will never run their system even close to that. It is better to test stability for one's specific use case. CB23 is a good place to start and if one experiences a crash while doing something else, WHEA errors can help to determine which core/s is the issue... then tweak its CO offset.
@@RKBenchmarker I thought that was what I mentioned. If you can deal with it, use Cinebench as a quick and dirty stability test. But I don't think loading all cores or having transient core spikes are that uncommon. It happens all the time when loading Windows.
I need your advice. Two CPUs (7950x3d and 7800x3d) are available for sale: a new 7800x3d for €359 and a 2-month-old 7950x3d for €445. Which one should I go with? (Money is not an issue, and I have a 360 AIO cooler.) Which one should I choose for performance and future-proofing?
The load line calibration on asus much different then this, and majority of people commenting on here have asus and not Aorus, so sadly this should say FOR AORUS bios only
I have an ASUS motherboard, and I'm hesitant to try this because the LLC options are just levels numbered 1-8, and I don't know how that compares to your "extreme" setting, and my BIOS doesn't include a graph.
Same issue , can't find any info about Asus LLC , so max probably not a good idea .I'm using LLC 6 , Asus bios manual recommends 5 for overclocking so I bumped up by one
Asus LLC settings are opposite of other mobo as Asus' highest number (8 in some cases) is the max LLC setting; whereas 1 is the max llc setting and a larger number is the lower settings on other mobos. Setting max llc on an x3d chip is not the same as setting max llc on a non-x3d (which you normally wouldn't do). However, if you can set llc at a lower v-droop setting and still get your max performance, all the better.
I tried LLC 8 on my Asus mobo with co -37 , instantly almost hits 89 , artic freezer ii 240 open/bench build , at least with LLC6 hovers around 82 , might dial back more , no crashes with R23 or corecycler but instant crash with OCCT
@@RKBenchmarkerhey man you seem really knowledgeable about this. But I always like doing more research and getting more sources. Trouble is not many people are talking about this other than this video I'm especially interested in seeing more info/sources about 3d chips capping voltage making messing with LLC safer. My specific situation: Applying per core co offsets that seem stable with core cycler and all core stability tests and gaming. But are weirdly unstable at lighter loads (usually reopening a browser with existing tabs from idle causes bsod). I'm thinking LLC can help with this. Thoughts?
i found that changing some values in curve optimizer influences how other cores react,so i can go -33 on some cores and max -11 on others and if i set the -33 to something like -15 than the ones that couldn't run lower than -11 now can run -15... is this a llc problem? it's on auto for me.
Asus LLC is opposite of others; Asus, highest number is most voltage applied to vdroop. (On other boards, the lowest number is most voltage applied to vdroop).
So I have a x670e-a and I’ve set the llc to maximum and I see no difference in performance. If I set it to standard or normal I get the same scores in cinebench. This normal?
I have the 7800x3d in the dan a4 h2O... would it be better to do settings like this or to just use the ECO mode? Not sure if it's more of a personal preference for tradeoffs in performance and temperature or if one is known to be overall better than the other
You can use ECO mode to lower the overall power consumption but that shouldn't be combined with what is shown here. This video focuses on leveraging Curve Optimizer along with LLC to get better performance than stock, or getting the same performance at lower wattage which results in lower temperatures.
Stability is a personal choice. Some people consider a system stable as long as it runs all of their programs and games without crashing - even if it crashes under CPU or GPU or RAM stability tests. Others want extreme stability where it won't crash under CPU or GPU or RAM stability tests. Basically, it's up to you to decide.
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
I've heard that some motherboards have LLC settings that are just so unstable that it causes degradation of the cpu Is it something I should be concerned about?
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
@@GameTechReviews dude fking reply me make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
My 7800x3d is running stable using negative 25 and also negative 30. However, getting worse results at 30 in cinebench. Negative 25 is getting me ~18600, 30 only about 18100. Is there any reason why this could be?
Don't do this I have a ryzen 9 7950x3d and was on a blue screen rebooting, luckily I went into the bios and changed it, I have the same motherboard too
Sorry but the question is loaded. Only the 7800x3d is good for normies who don't ever want to look into the bios or install 3rd party apps or fuck around with programs and settings. On the other CPUs being a dual chiplet design, you need to fuck around and assign correct cores to games, either with AMD solution or with what the community says: process lasso, bios set to prefer frequency, turn off game mode etc etc etc....
My 7950x3d gets 26 fps in time spy :/ Asus x670e-A motherboard. I've been trying to get it higher, but I have no idea what to change. My old 9700k got almost 25 fps, so yeah, I'm pretty disappointed
Yeah mine works great now. Manual memory 36-36-36-96 +1.35V PBO set to motherboard controller. Boost override +150% Curve Optimizer -15 all cores. Individual cores work too but it's more time consuming, I've only successfully gotten a few to -20-25 while the rest work fine at -15. Temps are also really low now 40-45C on the desktop instead of 70C. I do have CPU set to prefer driver which I guess is to allow windows to decide weather it uses 3D cache or not. I heard frequency was better but that never really made the performance any better. I get 57-59 FPS in time spy. If I disable SMT in the bios Timespy FPS goes up to 63 fps. Total 3Dmark of my PC is 34k
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Came from Intel 6700k. I got that to 5ghz with 1.45 volts. Amd 7900x3d now and it’s so different. Helpful guide! I’m close to world record on 3d mark for a 3080 and 7900x3d set up (says “record for this exact combo of 3080 and 7900x3d” so I’m chasing that haha.
5ghz on a 6700k vs a modern cpu isn’t even comparable lol. Also the 7900x3d is a weird cpu where you have the voltage limitations of the 3d cpus and reduced benefit of 3d vcache since it’s only on half the cpu
@@josephbargo5024 obviously not comparable, but considered that majority of people could not hit 5ghz was pretty crazy. The boost stuff with amd is weird but I found not worth it really to mess with. I didn’t get much gains from anything or any guide I’ve tried, and I’ve tried a lot.
After you pass a prime95 run of about 6-8h you can say the settings are good. I can run cinebench with even -45 on my 7800x3d but man...the second I press start in prime...boom, crash. After that I started to test each core in OCCT and found out that, 7 of the 8 cores can run at between -21 and -25 and one core is absolute "garbage" and can only run at -13. Yes, curve optimizer is the way to go to lower the temperatures but the architecture on the am5 platform, especially on the 7800x3d is a bit weird, you cannot boost that high the clocks and needs at least a few days of testing to say that your system is 100% stable. After doing all these tweaks I then tested in prime95 and OCCT for about 12h each (the average time my pc is open) and had 0 errors. I saw someone said that picking individual offsets for each core can lower your performance...that is 100% false. You gain performance by doing so, cause each core can boost higher depending on the offset. If you can make 7 cores to boost at a bit over 5ghz and one stays below 5, will always bee better than having all cores limited to 4.8.
The 7000 series x3D chips are technically locked. The 7800x3D will not boost past its top speed of 5050hz without some infinity fabric or multiplier tweaking as the boost overide settings do nothing. It's online but I'm not sure if it is prime stable.
The guy who said you lose performance by applying per core offsets was Michael, one of the first comments. He is greatly mistaken and is applying trying to set per core FREQUENCY in CCD/CCX (not per core CO), which in that case can't be done as it defaults to the lowest core's speed. However, (as you and others have mentioned) per core CO is completely different as it adjusts the voltage offset (not frequency) and it works great . Just a thought on stability testing: Some of the stability tests you mentioned are unrealistic compared to what most people will actually stress their systems in real-world cases. I tend to stress for my worst-case real usage. You could be losing a lot of performance if you stress test for something way outside of your worst-case real-world usage scenario... just something to consider.
@@jimmyhuang7481 You are correct, some of the higher-end mobos, such as the Asus x670e Hero, have a separate bClK adjustment. You set eCLK to asynchronous mode, bCLK1 stays at 100, and bCLK2 you would adjust for cpu frequency (to like 106 or 108.15, etc). Employing that function/strategy/technique along with others can achieve some great overclocks on a processor that is otherwise "locked". I've had a lot of fun with the 7800x3d :)
@@RKBenchmarker i always stress test for worst case scenario, but as you said that is unrealistic for most cases, as I usually game on my pc, for example forza5 or cod can run with no problems, cyberpunk crashes my system the second I play start. Sometimes even the basic youtube videos crashed my pc. Since then i try to find the perfect balance between 100% stability and usual workload/gaming stability. But you cannot go wrong with 100% stability, even at a loss of 2-3 fps.
@@Focaz With your knowledge, you and others could easily set different bios profiles for a set of different games/scenarios if you wanted to take the time. Just another option in the long line of options :) Game hard my friend!
just for information. running llc on extreme will generate extreme voltage spikes for a short time when the load drops off. this can lead to huge voltage numbers for a short period of time. i dont recommend running llc on extreme!
Yes, most CPUs won't be able to do -40 however, LLC prevents the significant vdroop under full load that would be incurred from such as high negative offset. At the same time, the negative CO offset prevents the higher voltage spike that would normally occur after transitioning from full load to low load or idle; due to using LLC.
I have 7950x3D and I am with MB X670E-PLUS with the "Negative 20" curve Optimizer my PC restarted 2 times in a matter of 3hrs ish maybe? I also Set the Thermal Throttling to be at 75* Cel. Would that mean that my CPU doesn't tolerate even -20 o the curve settings?
It is working on msi as well, just find the right option. And -40 might work like here with 5600mhz 30-36-36, but if your ram is 6400cl32 then u need to give more V, because at the same cpu speed let say 5ghz the ccd will have more data to work with from memory controler therefore it will need more V to work properly.
I have the Terra case (mini ITX) I was struggling with finding a fan that could cool my 7800x3d. I have set my offset to negative 35 to reduce temps which is great . Will changing the LCC off auto increase cpu temps the higher I increase it?
Could you link the discord? I just got my 7800x3d I've never over or undervolted before. What happens if the system is unstable and shuts down, how do you get back to the bios to fix the number? Right now my cpu averages 4.4ghz with PBO turned on and no curve optimizer.
whoop whoop whoop 😏 thanks bro I follow your guide for my 7900X , I still stable at negative 45 with extreme level calibration , also I just add in my setting temps to reach until 85 in my Aorus Master X670E , got on cinebench23 a score of 29700 , and my volts do not pass the 1.20 level , I monitoring my voltage in multitask heavy application or sleep mode doing nothing and again my volts dont even reach to 1.20v
I would also run prime95 for a while, your system may seem stable, with -40 but I found that some cores would run into errors, and you don't want that. I didn't go into the individual cores because I don't want to invest too much time into marginal gains. Now i'm running -20 and EXPO
@@alishfitness no, i experienced core-crashes in Prime95. If there were more then 2 cores crashing i even had bluescreens. If your System restarts out of nowhere i would suggest to monitor your temperatures
@@NightForce I am doing that constantly, nothing crosses 65 degrees C. And that's the hot spot. my CPU goes as high as 49 (AIO cooler), GPU I already undervolted and doesn't cross 62 ish. The only thing that I do not monitor is my ram. I have Kingston Fury 2x32 6000. Could that be?
Hi im hafiz from malaysia , just bought new proc & mobo and i got some issue with my 7800x3d 🥲 when i run multi core at cinebench r23 temp go high 90* 😭 and idle 50* . if i run some apps going to 70* . can someone help me ? 😢 x670 aorus elite ax r7 7800x3d corsair 5600mhz 16x2 aio 360 aorus . help me please 🙏🏻
@@GameTechReviews i get 80 normally with an aio cooler without any power limits. I lowered the power limit to 75W. PPT Limit [mW] → 75000 (75W) and look at the Cinebench score and Temps its crazy give it a shot just change PPT dont mess with the other settings
@@unalert2928 make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Please help. Recently i swapped from intel to an 7950x3d cpu with an b560e motherboard, but after swapping my nvidia 4080 started to rise the temps in idle mode up to 60 degrees.. usually used to be around 35 degrees in idle , have any toughs?
Yes, the 4080 is 320w normal usage 280-300w thats a lot of heat. Install the exhausting fans. Also dont use negative curve -40 all cores like here. With 6000mhz ram and loose timings like 40 40 40 it might work. But if u will go 6400 cl28 or 7800-8000 cl36 100% wont work. Especially in the games. The programs might work but there will be a micro stuttering. With 6400 -30 with 8000 -25 or -20. If u dont believe try to set default 4800 cl 40,40 40 and -50 negative all cores 100% will work. The high temps are always bcos of heat accumulation. So i would say exhaust fans are the best. 🎉😊
I follow all his settings for my 7950x3d and it crashed when running CPU benchmark , BLUE SCREEN so if you don't wanna kill your CPU don't follow this video or don't do EXTREME profile, don't put -negative 40 try other value -30, -20
To com o combo 7950X3D + ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara... hoje consegui estabilizar -30 all cores usando LLC 1. com LLC2 (padrão da mobo) consigo apenas -25 all cores
@@brunocgpb quanto maior o LLC pelo o que eu entendo, mais você consegue estabilizar o CO negativo, pois evita os vdrops, estranho conseguir mais CO com LLC menor. Aqui to usando LLC6 -20, mas claro que eu botei um boost de 150mhz a mais. deixando o ccd1 ir ate 5.9. Bem, eu vim da intel faz pouco, depois de 20 anos usando, não sei se aqui a regra muda.
I was like you back in the mid 20's. I manually enter all my DRAM timings now. Notice how I called it DRAM instead of RAM? I also correct people when they count DRAM speed in Hertz instead of transfers per second. Wanna buy that awesome ROG whatever mobo? Too bad it has throughhole DIMM sockets. Wanna know why that is bad? Trust me you don't. The fact that I can't bring myself to call a DIMM socket a RAM socket like all the normal human beings is reason enough for any of you to steer clear of any overclocking whatsoever. It all started when I first overclocked my Pentium 3 733 50 800 MHz back in the year 2000. The fact that I kind of know physics and material science makes all this unimaginably worse. There is still hope for you. Cease all overclocking immediately. This includes using the curve optimizer because, well you really don't wanna know why.
Thanks for sharing this info, managed to get Curve optimizer at negative 40. Similar board as yours Gigabyte X670E Aorus PRO X. With CL30 6000mhz. Just a newbie question, is Ram faulty when your PC try restart your PC but doesn't or takes long restart? And what ram settings should I have ticked On? For CL30 6000MHZ (TeamGroup) on the QVL list too, Thanks in advance
My 78003xd runs fine with vcore set to 1.15 volt, curve optimizer -40 all cores, LLC to Level 3 (Asus 650 plus wifi) and PBO thermal limit set to 80 °C. Now the cpu works with max 1.015 volt and 4900 Mhz on all cores. Cinebench 2024 results are 1115 in multi.
Thank you for this. Informative without going too far down the rabbit hole and losing the point. I see lots of undervolt videos and nothing about the load line. It helped me get more boost and cooler cooler temps. Can't beat that.
Thank you for that. Without the extra step that you showed I could only cap out at -33. I could do higher for Cinebench but it failed on stability tests. Once I adjusted the LLC I was able to get it to pass OCCT running for an hour at -40 and capped out at 75C. it should be noted that the LLC does increase temps the higher you go but I was still able to keep everything at a reasonable temp with a 280mm AIO.
Just an fyi, but before touching load line calibration check for stability of the curve offset first. If you don’t need to touch the load line, don’t. It still increases voltage under load compared to auto which leads to higher temps. This is just to make certain offsets stable when needed.
You probably don't have to worry about it because you're undervolting, but the issue with setting a stiffer LLC is it can cause voltage spikes on transient loads.
Youre fully loaded, the LLC is compensating, there's a cache or memory stall which unloads your CPU but because you're running extra vdroop compensation your voltage spikes until the power stages catch up or the CPU loads again.
Finding the stiffest value that doesn't cause this requires hooking up an oscilloscope to the voltage probe points on your motherboard, as it varies by model/manufacturer/bios revision.
This is my concern (and what has prevented me from messing with the LLC); potential for damaging the CPU with overshoot.
Llc doesn’t raise or have higher spikes. It just helps hold continuous. Cheers.
I've been building pcs for fun for over 20 years. I retired early ,age39 (hey Fu I'm still young at heart) lol but 1) I always buy nvidia gpus
And 2) up until last year always purchased Intel cpus.
Last year I built 3 pcs for myself. Total overkill, one was for my virtualpinball build I built,the other was for my 32inch rec room masters arcade cabinet build.
Both pcs are identical, msi mpg x570 gaming edge wifi motherboards, Ryzen9 5900x cpus, Nzxt 360mm aio coolers , both in corsair 5000D airflow cases. The only difference was (remember this was during the gpu drought) my virtual pinball machine has a rtx3090 founders edition, and my arcade has a rtx3080ti. I fell in love with amd cpus specifically that ryzen 9 5900x 24threads @4.7ghz was no problem.
Ok sorry for the backstop but if everyone here is into pcs and tuning them etc, I love seeing peoples builds and hearing them talk about their systems just as car enthusiasts have car shows.
Anyway, I went with the gigabyte Aorus X670E Master motherboard (thank God so nothing exploded) ryzen 9 7950X3D, grabbed the only pcie5 m.2 drive I could find (microcenter Inland 2tb pcie5 m.2 drive for only $179!!, and yes it gets read and write speeds over 10,000gb/s)
It took lots of updating drivers and bios's but finally the cpu is running as intended. I think I just set my negative to -20 and left it.
Right now I'm using the motherboard above, so hoping some of you are familiar with the layout.
1) I'm unsure but are you saying the graph you show , if its still on a negative curve , even on extreme, it's safe to leave it like that?
2) under where we turn pbo on to advanced, then motherboard, there's a scalar option that's on auto but goes 1-10. Should we just leave that alone?
Lastly,
I want to apologize for all the questions, if you got to know me you would know I try and help every person I can for arcade builds, pcs etc.
But I'm a grown man and can admit, all my years of experience isn't really helping with this ryzen9 7950x3d.
It idles around 40°C and usually games or benchmarks around 60-65°c. Does that seem like normal temperatures? My cpu cooler is once again the NZXT 360MM kraken.
I appreciate anyone whose read this, I have a disability after almost being killed at work so I'm still trying to fight my way back mentally.
As I always do, I like and subscribe to any fellow tech youtuber, even though I'm new at it and onky have 1500members lol 😅
Thank you guys for taking the time to read my long ramblings lol I've loved building pcs since my first 386sx 25mhz pc build. I think it had windows 3.1? Or windows for workgroups whatever was before windows 95. Lol it basically could only run the paint app. Then I went to a computer show , some of you who are in your 40's like me remember having to go to computer shows to buy our hardware before the internet. Lol scored a intel 486DX 66MHZ CPU, WITH 4MB OF RAM. LOL God anyone remember having to run memmaker? Because of the way we had to run games in DOS? Lol
Coupled with the other replies, you must remember that the x3d is different than the x, which you normally wouldn't set to the highest setting. The x3d voltage won't go above its limit. LLC only helps the vdroop remain more stable.
Mine can only do -20 negative offset. Your one must be a super golden sample. But, I made sure mine is stable on every stress test and game test possible
Try only offsetting your gaming cores, 1-8.
@@AverageAsianJoe Those are the weakest cores, so offsetting those isn't going to reduce temps all that much. In fact, the gaming cores have less room for offset than the other cores. The main reason why the 7950X3D is lower power than a 7950X is because of those gaming cores being lower clocked and temperature limited by the 3DVCACHE, which heats things up. So the main problem is the weaker cores run hot, and can't be undervolted as much, while the stronger cores run cooler at the same clocks but also reach higher clocks.
The problem with LLC though is while it stops Vdroop, the opposite side of that coin is you get voltage spikes when load drops, which is actually worse for your CPU in the long run, because you're getting a lot of voltage pumped through a core that is essentially idle, which is far worse, because you're not doing anything with that energy, it's just scouring through the circuits with nowhere to go but to dissipate into heat, which means you might not get higher overall temps, but you will get very high temps over a smaller area of the chip that the sensors won't pick up.
So it's like if a small part of your cores suddenly went up to 100c, but in such a small area that as it dissipates through the chip, by the time it reaches the sensor it's only reading at 70c or less. This means very sharp spikes in voltage/energy, which is worse for electronics than a gradual shift. Temps aren't what kills hardware, it's voltage over time, and voltage spikes. The sudden shifts in voltage results in more dramatic energetic activities in the materials of the chip.
This is one reason why the IHS is soo thick in the first place, it's to keep different areas of the chip from becoming too different in temperature, otherwise those temperature differences at such small scales results in more stress on the materials, including physical cracking and delamination from each other. That's the main reason why the VCACHE is limited in temp. Not because it can't run at those temps, but because it would crack/delaminate from the CPU, because it's not so much built into the CPU, but rather, pasted on top of it and connected by thin circuits. If it was actually manufactured with the chip itself, rather than manufactured separately, the temp limits wouldn't even exist.
Mine only is stable with -12
Mine is stable with Vcore 1,15v and -40 offset.
@@timos.9409 are you using all 16 cores or 1-8 only
My maaan! I've got the gigabyte Aorus x670 Elite AX REV 1.2 board and the bios is the same as yours. Great explaining what this negative CO does even though I already knew from hours and hours of reddit threads =). I came here to see if I could learn something new that's all! I'm a happy subscriber and hope you can bring more nice content soon for my 7800X3D.
Hi,are you sure bios is exactly same as this? I think your motherboard must be having additional settings like Core clock multiplier and Vcore voltage
@@beardoguyyes of course it got the bclk multipliers and the voltage settings. I haven't made any successful boots with increasing the bclk even to 102.if I had the Asus main board there is modes like eclk 1 and 2 and also asosynchronos mode. My board doesn't have any of those. Those high end Asus board cost like 700 bucks. Mine was around 200, 250 bucks. U get what u pay for. I'm currently happy with the ram tunings I got it to run at CL 26 even though it's cl30 rated. Hynix A die 😅
thanks for replying, by any chance can you send the screenshot/picture of your tweaker(bios) page screen?@@buenosdias8606
I didn't win the Silicon Lottery and left it on auto and got better performance. So placed my NVME Drive to the middle of the MB and got PCIE4 instead of PCIE3 and got better performance but ran hott. My graphics card slowed down so I placed it back and the NVME is just a little slower but the GPU is at full speed. Cheers!
What wasnt mentioned is that you can also get a mobo that has an external clock generator and overclock the cpu bus. Something to consider additionally is that extreme LLC will put strain on the VRM. Depending on your board and your cooling scenario this can affect the life of your motherboard. Air cooling is actually better for cooling the VRM.
Overclocking the FSB is just an all around bad idea because now you are talking about OC’ing multiple components within the system………thereby increasing points of failure.
@@techluvin7691 Nope.. Thats wrong.. Do your research.
@@arlowicks9359 Yes……you are correct, the fsb can be overclocked by itself without affecting other components……yet……… it is still a bad idea and probably not worth the effort for the minor gains and eventual instability. What’s stable today probably won’t be stable in a few days.
@@techluvin7691 Whether it is a good idea or not, I'd actually have to try it to know. It worked out really well on intel sky lake providing massive gains on locked processors. This is different as the I believe the x3d processors are running closer to their limits than the locked intel chips.. As for eventual instability, thats nonsense... Like I said, maybe good, maybe bad.
Very good guide and explained well. Subscribed.
Thanks man first video in this topic that really useful. This option really helps 37578 score negative 34.
This makes sense, but then Bullzoid suggests that LLC is generally a bad thing, because of the spikes it causes. Confusing...
Couldn't you just reduce the CO offset and get the same VCORE result as raising the LLC, but with less transient spikes?
tomorow ill have my new 7900x3d and i will def. check this out : ) im so excited !!!! saved *
Did you try this out? Just picked up a 7900x3d myself.
@@Trampus10-4 make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming
I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming
Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Wait..... But if you're reducing the voltage per clock under a specific load..... Then raising the LLC..... That means that the voltage is higher at a specific load so you're undoing the benefits you just got from Curve optimiser.
This does not make sense to me
CO undervolts the old 5Ghz. But now at same voltage you get 5.2Ghz.
This is not stable at the same voltage so you need overvoltage, since the CPU is locked, LLC is overvoltage workaround.
LLC is to battle vdroop by giving the cpu more voltage during workloads.
Negative 15 BSOD's me.
However, my 7800x3d did win on the FLCK lottery and im able to run a 6400mhz memmory kit with 2133mhz on the infinity fabric.
So the lottery is not speficly bound to the curve optimiser.
You actually compensate with Extreme LLC the low value of Curve Optimizer.... which is wrong, but hey, have fun doing it.
To be honest -30 is way above average undervolt if not in %5 of all chips. Yours is excelent -40 all cores wooow, must be hand picked unit :D
CPU soc voltage is very important, not just something people are talking about these days lolllllll and for x3d parts, i would seriously consider looking into the purpose of vdroop. Cool overview though. Also worth disabling integrated graphics, actually makes a diff believe it or not
I used 35 for the undervolt and scored 37103 on cinebench R23, however i hit a high temp of 85.9 degrees. I see you hit over 90 degrees. No thermal throttling for me, i changed my thermal throttle to 90 degrees anyway, but im just ssying. I could probably go negative 40 but its gonna put my temps over 90 degrees. Im using a 360mm nzxt kraken AIO cooler which is really good, 85.9 is the hottest ive ever seen it get
I only did step 1 and set it to negative 20. System Stable and getting 10 percent more fps thanks!
Thanks man!😀
I just switched to these AMD CPUs and clearly I need to read up and learn. Because this video to me seems like there's a single attribute (core voltage) that is controlled by two settings, curve and LLC. And that we can lower core voltage more if at the same time we raise it using LLC. I must have misunderstood something.
CO is undervolting for the old frequency but actually the voltage stays the same and now you get a higher Frequency at same voltage, as measured with a voltmeter...
What do you recommend having the PBO limit setting on, auto? I see someone recommending "disabled" and "motherboard".
Amazing explanation!
What happens to me everytime i try curve optimizer on different CPUs is that my computer is fully stable under load but also unstable while idling
Great content !
does this apply for the new 7600x3d? its a 7800x3d with 2 cores turned off.
Not sure what I’m doing wrong. Using a 7800 x3d and a rog strix b650a.
Set the negative on minus 35 on all cores. And the LLC on level 3 of possible 4. My voltage goes up a little from 0.993V to 1.065V during cinebench. Tried some other LLC levels but only the cpu temperature decreases a little bit. Voltage goes up. Did I miss something?
Got the same motherbroad. Under "Precision Boost Overdrive", what did you select? There is no "Advanced" in the available options.
checking this video was nice info due im soon upgradeing to a 7800x3D but i did notice you hit 90c on both the core and die temps more or less noticed any thermal throttleing etc bcs of that since it seems high i also know after checking videos that the 7000 series seems to run abit higher temps then the 5000 series but 90c feels abit hot what cooler are you using?
i use a Be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4. Set your PBO Thernal Limit to 80°C and check your Vcore max in uefi. is it higher than 1.25 set it manualy to 1.2 or - 1.15 volt
any idea why no matter what curves i set i get no instability also 7800xd im only scoring 15-16k cb23 temps maxing around 81 it seems like no matter what setting i do nothing changes. i feel like i should be benching 19k ddr56000, 360 aio volts also always look the same under all settings i try
Don’t think that an AIO is gonna give you -10 C. That ain’t happening. I cool an i9-12900k with a Noctua NH-D15S and it barely hits 82 C at 100% CPU load.
Cinebench is a benchmark and does not test for complete accuracy. You can be Cinebench stable but still crash inexplicably every month or week when some error hits a critical part.
It really depends on what you can deal with. If you don't mind some random crashes, use Cinebench as a quick and dirty stability test. Otherwise use Prime95 which loads the CPU and matches computed values with known accurate values. Use the blend test in Prime95 to stress both CPU and memory controller. You will find that you will have to dial back a lot to get it Prime95 stable. And do run it for at least an hour because 1 pass of small fft (everything laoded into cache) will take up to 10 min before it moves to large fft (stresses memory controller as some RAM is used). Run it over night without any errors and you are rock stable.
That was not the point of the video; however, your point stands and it is good info to share. The only adjustment I'd make to your comment is that some of the stability tests are unrealistic and most users will never run their system even close to that. It is better to test stability for one's specific use case. CB23 is a good place to start and if one experiences a crash while doing something else, WHEA errors can help to determine which core/s is the issue... then tweak its CO offset.
@@RKBenchmarker I thought that was what I mentioned. If you can deal with it, use Cinebench as a quick and dirty stability test. But I don't think loading all cores or having transient core spikes are that uncommon. It happens all the time when loading Windows.
I found the vrm settings for my Asus board but it’s way more options and I don’t know what to do on changing it.
UA-cam has many tutorials how to setup bios for OC.
Just search away and you will land on one that gives you all the details.
C R23 ~18k score 7800x3d + X670 Gaming X AX + 2x16GB G.Skill Flare X5 6000 CL32 EXPO = Bios settings PBO -40 , SOC 1.15v , VCORE OFFSET -0,050v ,LLC Auto , AIO ENDORFY F280 ~1600rmp on Cinebench R23 = 80*c , in game ~60-65*c 1100-1200rpm AIO
C R23 18181 score = Bios settings PBO -40 , SOC 1.15v , VCORE OFFSET -0,085v ,LLC Auto ~1420-50rpm AIO = 72*c in HWINFO64 vcore is 1.02v - SOC 1.18v :D
Super helpful!
I need your advice. Two CPUs (7950x3d and 7800x3d) are available for sale: a new 7800x3d for €359 and a 2-month-old 7950x3d for €445. Which one should I go with? (Money is not an issue, and I have a 360 AIO cooler.) Which one should I choose for performance and future-proofing?
7950x3d is better.
I dont like, that the Temps are going above 90°C. This makes the CPU throttling.
why does your cpu has 0.8 volt while in bios? mine is 1.1
The load line calibration on asus much different then this, and majority of people commenting on here have asus and not Aorus, so sadly this should say FOR AORUS bios only
So for asus cpu load line calibration, it says numbers 1-8, and then number 5 says recommended OC. So what do I put it at……………..
I have an ASUS motherboard, and I'm hesitant to try this because the LLC options are just levels numbered 1-8, and I don't know how that compares to your "extreme" setting, and my BIOS doesn't include a graph.
Same issue , can't find any info about Asus LLC , so max probably not a good idea .I'm using LLC 6 , Asus bios manual recommends 5 for overclocking so I bumped up by one
Asus LLC settings are opposite of other mobo as Asus' highest number (8 in some cases) is the max LLC setting; whereas 1 is the max llc setting and a larger number is the lower settings on other mobos. Setting max llc on an x3d chip is not the same as setting max llc on a non-x3d (which you normally wouldn't do). However, if you can set llc at a lower v-droop setting and still get your max performance, all the better.
I tried LLC 8 on my Asus mobo with co -37 , instantly almost hits 89 , artic freezer ii 240 open/bench build , at least with LLC6 hovers around 82 , might dial back more , no crashes with R23 or corecycler but instant crash with OCCT
@@RKBenchmarkerhey man you seem really knowledgeable about this. But I always like doing more research and getting more sources. Trouble is not many people are talking about this other than this video
I'm especially interested in seeing more info/sources about 3d chips capping voltage making messing with LLC safer.
My specific situation: Applying per core co offsets that seem stable with core cycler and all core stability tests and gaming. But are weirdly unstable at lighter loads (usually reopening a browser with existing tabs from idle causes bsod).
I'm thinking LLC can help with this. Thoughts?
What happens if my motherboard doesn’t have a graph for the LLC? My Asus board goes up to level 8
i found that changing some values in curve optimizer influences how other cores react,so i can go -33 on some cores and max -11 on others and if i set the -33 to something like -15 than the ones that couldn't run lower than -11 now can run -15...
is this a llc problem? it's on auto for me.
HI, extreme LLC on Gigagybte, what does that translate to on asus boards? I have an x670e e gaming wifi?
Asus LLC is opposite of others; Asus, highest number is most voltage applied to vdroop. (On other boards, the lowest number is most voltage applied to vdroop).
What about RAM and Fabric?
So I have a x670e-a and I’ve set the llc to maximum and I see no difference in performance. If I set it to standard or normal I get the same scores in cinebench. This normal?
It doesn't help performance scores, it helps stability so your computer doesn't crash.
@@Tarrgetthis gotcha ! Good to know! Thanks
@@Mexi99 Are you using Curve Optimizer? That's where you will see increases. LLC will help with vdroop so the voltage won't go too low and crash.
I have the 7800x3d in the dan a4 h2O... would it be better to do settings like this or to just use the ECO mode? Not sure if it's more of a personal preference for tradeoffs in performance and temperature or if one is known to be overall better than the other
You can use ECO mode to lower the overall power consumption but that shouldn't be combined with what is shown here. This video focuses on leveraging Curve Optimizer along with LLC to get better performance than stock, or getting the same performance at lower wattage which results in lower temperatures.
Could you please elaborate on whats considered stable?
Stability is a personal choice. Some people consider a system stable as long as it runs all of their programs and games without crashing - even if it crashes under CPU or GPU or RAM stability tests. Others want extreme stability where it won't crash under CPU or GPU or RAM stability tests. Basically, it's up to you to decide.
My pc won’t even post after I do this can I get some help
Clear CMOS to reset back to default.
@@GameTechReviews yea I already did that but no matter how low I set my negative it just won’t work did I get screwed lol
@@cizrx1599 Are you able to run it at stock without any changes in the bios?
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming
I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming
Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
I've heard that some motherboards have LLC settings that are just so unstable that it causes degradation of the cpu
Is it something I should be concerned about?
LLC settings that add voltage above the zero line should never be used. Those are the settings that will damage the CPU.
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming
I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming
Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
i can reach -42 and stable on cinebech
pbo like lower voltage drop allcore oc like higher voltage drop form llc
What power plan you use high performance or balanced ?
Balanced
@@GameTechReviews dude fking reply me
make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming
I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming
Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Can this be done on B650 mobos?
Yeah I have one I use it only limitation is if your bios has it
My 7800x3d is running stable using negative 25 and also negative 30. However, getting worse results at 30 in cinebench. Negative 25 is getting me ~18600, 30 only about 18100. Is there any reason why this could be?
Possibly not stable at those offsets. DId you follow what was shown in the video regarding LLC?
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d
Thank's , is it risky to leave all BIOS default please ?
No, leaving things at default is fine.
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d
Don't do this I have a ryzen 9 7950x3d and was on a blue screen rebooting, luckily I went into the bios and changed it, I have the same motherboard too
7800x3d or 7950x3d
has anyone achieved this with this cpu on an asus board?
What software is this and how so I access it new to computers😅
it looks like the bios (uefi) of a gigabyte motherboard. look up your motherboard brand and google how to enter the bios for that specific brand
which one of the 3 is the best for gaming?
All of them are the best, but at different price points based on use case. For strictly gaming, the 7800X3D offers the best value and performance.
@@GameTechReviews what about if i dont care about price i just want thenbest
@@paulosilva-tz8el 7950X3D is the best overall.
Sorry but the question is loaded. Only the 7800x3d is good for normies who don't ever want to look into the bios or install 3rd party apps or fuck around with programs and settings.
On the other CPUs being a dual chiplet design, you need to fuck around and assign correct cores to games, either with AMD solution or with what the community says: process lasso, bios set to prefer frequency, turn off game mode etc etc etc....
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d
For some reason when I run cinebench my 7950X3D only shows 8C/16T
Did you have a chip in the same MB prior to installing the 7950x3D?
@@SteezinBreezin This was a new build new mb new chip
@@FloridaVibesOfficial your comment was 3 weeks ago. Are you still having this issue or is it fixed?
@@SteezinBreezin still an issue
@@FloridaVibesOfficial is both CCD enabled in BIOS or set to auto
Anyone tried to do this on MSI mb ?
My 7950x3d gets 26 fps in time spy :/
Asus x670e-A motherboard.
I've been trying to get it higher, but I have no idea what to change.
My old 9700k got almost 25 fps, so yeah, I'm pretty disappointed
I was struggling too until I did a clean install of windows
Yeah mine works great now.
Manual memory 36-36-36-96 +1.35V
PBO set to motherboard controller.
Boost override +150%
Curve Optimizer -15 all cores.
Individual cores work too but it's more time consuming, I've only successfully gotten a few to -20-25 while the rest work fine at -15.
Temps are also really low now 40-45C on the desktop instead of 70C.
I do have CPU set to prefer driver which I guess is to allow windows to decide weather it uses 3D cache or not.
I heard frequency was better but that never really made the performance any better.
I get 57-59 FPS in time spy.
If I disable SMT in the bios Timespy FPS goes up to 63 fps.
Total 3Dmark of my PC is 34k
Holy cow. I want an Intel for the killer wifi unfortunately.
To be honest, this type of tweaking to get a functional device should NOT be mandatory!
It's not mandatory. The reality is pretty much all the performance comes stock out of the box.
@@GameTechReviews make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming
I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming
Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Bro, get to the point!!!
This is by far the best Ryzen 7000 optimization guide on YT. Well laid out, explained and informative. Good job!
Came from Intel 6700k. I got that to 5ghz with 1.45 volts. Amd 7900x3d now and it’s so different. Helpful guide! I’m close to world record on 3d mark for a 3080 and 7900x3d set up (says “record for this exact combo of 3080 and 7900x3d” so I’m chasing that haha.
Which mobo do you have ?
@@bomboclutch asrock x670e
5ghz on a 6700k vs a modern cpu isn’t even comparable lol. Also the 7900x3d is a weird cpu where you have the voltage limitations of the 3d cpus and reduced benefit of 3d vcache since it’s only on half the cpu
@@josephbargo5024 obviously not comparable, but considered that majority of people could not hit 5ghz was pretty crazy. The boost stuff with amd is weird but I found not worth it really to mess with. I didn’t get much gains from anything or any guide I’ve tried, and I’ve tried a lot.
With LLC and CO -40 how is your SHA3 CPU test off Aida64?
Stable or instant crash?
Probably instant crash
yes blue screen
After you pass a prime95 run of about 6-8h you can say the settings are good. I can run cinebench with even -45 on my 7800x3d but man...the second I press start in prime...boom, crash. After that I started to test each core in OCCT and found out that, 7 of the 8 cores can run at between -21 and -25 and one core is absolute "garbage" and can only run at -13. Yes, curve optimizer is the way to go to lower the temperatures but the architecture on the am5 platform, especially on the 7800x3d is a bit weird, you cannot boost that high the clocks and needs at least a few days of testing to say that your system is 100% stable. After doing all these tweaks I then tested in prime95 and OCCT for about 12h each (the average time my pc is open) and had 0 errors. I saw someone said that picking individual offsets for each core can lower your performance...that is 100% false. You gain performance by doing so, cause each core can boost higher depending on the offset. If you can make 7 cores to boost at a bit over 5ghz and one stays below 5, will always bee better than having all cores limited to 4.8.
The 7000 series x3D chips are technically locked. The 7800x3D will not boost past its top speed of 5050hz without some infinity fabric or multiplier tweaking as the boost overide settings do nothing. It's online but I'm not sure if it is prime stable.
The guy who said you lose performance by applying per core offsets was Michael, one of the first comments. He is greatly mistaken and is applying trying to set per core FREQUENCY in CCD/CCX (not per core CO), which in that case can't be done as it defaults to the lowest core's speed. However, (as you and others have mentioned) per core CO is completely different as it adjusts the voltage offset (not frequency) and it works great . Just a thought on stability testing: Some of the stability tests you mentioned are unrealistic compared to what most people will actually stress their systems in real-world cases. I tend to stress for my worst-case real usage. You could be losing a lot of performance if you stress test for something way outside of your worst-case real-world usage scenario... just something to consider.
@@jimmyhuang7481 You are correct, some of the higher-end mobos, such as the Asus x670e Hero, have a separate bClK adjustment. You set eCLK to asynchronous mode, bCLK1 stays at 100, and bCLK2 you would adjust for cpu frequency (to like 106 or 108.15, etc). Employing that function/strategy/technique along with others can achieve some great overclocks on a processor that is otherwise "locked". I've had a lot of fun with the 7800x3d :)
@@RKBenchmarker i always stress test for worst case scenario, but as you said that is unrealistic for most cases, as I usually game on my pc, for example forza5 or cod can run with no problems, cyberpunk crashes my system the second I play start. Sometimes even the basic youtube videos crashed my pc. Since then i try to find the perfect balance between 100% stability and usual workload/gaming stability. But you cannot go wrong with 100% stability, even at a loss of 2-3 fps.
@@Focaz With your knowledge, you and others could easily set different bios profiles for a set of different games/scenarios if you wanted to take the time. Just another option in the long line of options :) Game hard my friend!
just for information. running llc on extreme will generate extreme voltage spikes for a short time when the load drops off. this can lead to huge voltage numbers for a short period of time. i dont recommend running llc on extreme!
This is not the same as applying a max llc to a non-x3d which you normally wouldn't do.
Agreed!
Stock I have 33253 With curve -30 and Asus optimized LLC 36580
360 water AIO
Bit of an improvement.
Thanks for the tip!
I get better cinebench scores with undervolt but I get worse wow performance with it so idk
@@bricegardner7815 performance in games, depends on your GPU mostly
maybe the game is not cpu demanding
I just set mine to medium to make a -25 all core more stable. No whea errors. This gave me a 14.5k in timespy
7900X3D here, stable at 33. Thanks for the tips
Doubt that the negative value will be stable with prime95 or aida64 SHA3 testing
But nice to know that LLC improves stability
Yes, most CPUs won't be able to do -40 however, LLC prevents the significant vdroop under full load that would be incurred from such as high negative offset. At the same time, the negative CO offset prevents the higher voltage spike that would normally occur after transitioning from full load to low load or idle; due to using LLC.
@@GameTechReviews Asus use pbo scalar 2x and -50 on clock for asus pbo enhancement.
i got -40 on my 7800x3d not a single crash
I'm running -20 on mine but not trying to push it either.
Curious though, what was the temperature difference between -40 and stock?
@@GregoryShtevensh never check mines when it was stock, what Temps u hey when Idle and gaming ?
@KerwynPromoter at -20 and with a 240mm rad, it never hit 80 on a hot day here in Australia.
Usually high 60s but the odd transient spike to high 70s
whats idle temps? @@GregoryShtevensh
Nice silicon
I have 7950x3D and I am with MB X670E-PLUS with the "Negative 20" curve Optimizer my PC restarted 2 times in a matter of 3hrs ish maybe? I also Set the Thermal Throttling to be at 75* Cel. Would that mean that my CPU doesn't tolerate even -20 o the curve settings?
😅 RIP
Thank you so much, so far its working on -38 with Turbo LLC, just want to be safe ^_^...
why you using xmp instead of expo 1 ?
🤔 That negative offset may work initially…….but as local environmental conditions change, it will eventually fail.
i recommend starting from 20 (15 if you want to extra safe) and go up by 2 till most cores are hitting the mh the cpu is meant to hit
This video didn’t help a single bit, why are there no videos with MSI motherboards???
It is working on msi as well, just find the right option. And -40 might work like here with 5600mhz 30-36-36, but if your ram is 6400cl32 then u need to give more V, because at the same cpu speed let say 5ghz the ccd will have more data to work with from memory controler therefore it will need more V to work properly.
I have the Terra case (mini ITX) I was struggling with finding a fan that could cool my 7800x3d.
I have set my offset to negative 35 to reduce temps which is great .
Will changing the LCC off auto increase cpu temps the higher I increase it?
Ive so far went to negative 55... 7800x3d.. lmao
7950x3D = negative 40
who one the silicon lottery?
mine can only be stable -30
Could you link the discord?
I just got my 7800x3d I've never over or undervolted before. What happens if the system is unstable and shuts down, how do you get back to the bios to fix the number?
Right now my cpu averages 4.4ghz with PBO turned on and no curve optimizer.
I just used the PBO enhancement option in bios and set it to 80 Lvl 4 cos of my shitty cooler and i hit 4.8ghz in cinebench all core
My pc wont even boot with these settings any help?
whoop whoop whoop 😏 thanks bro I follow your guide for my 7900X , I still stable at negative 45 with extreme level calibration , also I just add in my setting temps to reach until 85 in my Aorus Master X670E , got on cinebench23 a score of 29700 , and my volts do not pass the 1.20 level , I monitoring my voltage in multitask heavy application or sleep mode doing nothing and again my volts dont even reach to 1.20v
I don't recommend using extreme load line. You would want to reduce that by one or two levels.
I would also run prime95 for a while, your system may seem stable, with -40 but I found that some cores would run into errors, and you don't want that.
I didn't go into the individual cores because I don't want to invest too much time into marginal gains. Now i'm running -20 and EXPO
Are we talking avx enabled or disabled? Prime95 seems to do absolutely nothing to my 7800x3d vs cinebench
i am on -18 all core with a 7800x3d and be stable. -20 or even -19 would be unstable for specific cores.
@@NightForce would the unstability means restarts? I tried with -20 and it restarted twice in 3hrs?
@@alishfitness no, i experienced core-crashes in Prime95. If there were more then 2 cores crashing i even had bluescreens. If your System restarts out of nowhere i would suggest to monitor your temperatures
@@NightForce I am doing that constantly, nothing crosses 65 degrees C. And that's the hot spot. my CPU goes as high as 49 (AIO cooler), GPU I already undervolted and doesn't cross 62 ish. The only thing that I do not monitor is my ram. I have Kingston Fury 2x32 6000. Could that be?
Your temps are over TJMax or i am missing something?
Hi im hafiz from malaysia , just bought new proc & mobo and i got some issue with my 7800x3d 🥲 when i run multi core at cinebench r23 temp go high 90* 😭 and idle 50* . if i run some apps going to 70* . can someone help me ? 😢
x670 aorus elite ax
r7 7800x3d
corsair 5600mhz 16x2
aio 360 aorus .
help me please 🙏🏻
Put a lower ppt limit
90c is normal when running cinebench.
@@GameTechReviews i get 80 normally with an aio cooler without any power limits. I lowered the power limit to 75W.
PPT Limit [mW] → 75000 (75W) and look at the Cinebench score and Temps its crazy give it a shot just change PPT dont mess with the other settings
@@unalert2928 make a video how to make our 7950x3d perform the same as 7800x3d for gaming
I mean how does a $360 cpu beat the mighty 7950x3d 650$ usd CPU in gaming
Make a video for us 7950x3d users , i want the same performance as 7800x3d is giving
Please help. Recently i swapped from intel to an 7950x3d cpu with an b560e motherboard, but after swapping my nvidia 4080 started to rise the temps in idle mode up to 60 degrees.. usually used to be around 35 degrees in idle , have any toughs?
Did you also upgrade your monitor?
Yes, the 4080 is 320w normal usage 280-300w thats a lot of heat. Install the exhausting fans. Also dont use negative curve -40 all cores like here. With 6000mhz ram and loose timings like 40 40 40 it might work. But if u will go 6400 cl28 or 7800-8000 cl36 100% wont work. Especially in the games. The programs might work but there will be a micro stuttering. With 6400 -30 with 8000 -25 or -20. If u dont believe try to set default 4800 cl 40,40 40 and -50 negative all cores 100% will work. The high temps are always bcos of heat accumulation. So i would say exhaust fans are the best. 🎉😊
@@GameTechReviews nope , i use multiple monitors , samsung g7 34inch and an zowie xl2566k.
I follow all his settings for my 7950x3d and it crashed when running CPU benchmark , BLUE SCREEN so if you don't wanna kill your CPU don't follow this video
or don't do EXTREME profile, don't put -negative 40 try other value -30, -20
-40 é impossível, somente uma CPU nivel diamante (loteria do silício), aqui é -21 all cores.
To com o combo 7950X3D + ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara... hoje consegui estabilizar -30 all cores usando LLC 1. com LLC2 (padrão da mobo) consigo apenas -25 all cores
@@brunocgpb quanto maior o LLC pelo o que eu entendo, mais você consegue estabilizar o CO negativo, pois evita os vdrops, estranho conseguir mais CO com LLC menor. Aqui to usando LLC6 -20, mas claro que eu botei um boost de 150mhz a mais. deixando o ccd1 ir ate 5.9. Bem, eu vim da intel faz pouco, depois de 20 anos usando, não sei se aqui a regra muda.
Amazing, I’ve been obsessed with overclocking lately. I guess I’m a true enthusiast lol 😂 but I’m learning more and more! Thanks to cool guys like you
I was like you back in the mid 20's. I manually enter all my DRAM timings now. Notice how I called it DRAM instead of RAM? I also correct people when they count DRAM speed in Hertz instead of transfers per second. Wanna buy that awesome ROG whatever mobo? Too bad it has throughhole DIMM sockets. Wanna know why that is bad? Trust me you don't. The fact that I can't bring myself to call a DIMM socket a RAM socket like all the normal human beings is reason enough for any of you to steer clear of any overclocking whatsoever. It all started when I first overclocked my Pentium 3 733 50 800 MHz back in the year 2000. The fact that I kind of know physics and material science makes all this unimaginably worse.
There is still hope for you. Cease all overclocking immediately. This includes using the curve optimizer because, well you really don't wanna know why.
@@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 plz explain why it's bad i do wanna know
@@-NoodleBoy I am going to save you from yourself and deny you the knowledge you seek so foolishly. LOL I am speaking like a Skyrim NPC
you seem to have a good cpu, idle usage wattage is 25, mine is 55w at idle... I only get after CO and PBO max 36000
Thanks for sharing this info, managed to get Curve optimizer at negative 40. Similar board as yours Gigabyte X670E Aorus PRO X. With CL30 6000mhz. Just a newbie question, is Ram faulty when your PC try restart your PC but doesn't or takes long restart? And what ram settings should I have ticked On? For CL30 6000MHZ (TeamGroup) on the QVL list too, Thanks in advance
My 78003xd runs fine with vcore set to 1.15 volt, curve optimizer -40 all cores, LLC to Level 3 (Asus 650 plus wifi) and PBO thermal limit set to 80 °C. Now the cpu works with max 1.015 volt and 4900 Mhz on all cores. Cinebench 2024 results are 1115 in multi.
It helps with FPS in games?
cpu heavy games like higher clocks ig, like tarkov