What's My Line? - Joan Crawford; Victor Borge [panel] (Dec 13, 1964)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 жов 2014
- MYSTERY GUEST: Joan Crawford
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Victor Borge, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
-------------------------------------------
Join our Facebook group for WML-- great discussions, photos, etc, and great people! / 728471287199862 - Розваги
![What's My Line? - Jack E. Leonard; Steve Allen [panel] (Dec 20, 1964)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/k1m96yKbSh0/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Jack E. Leonard; Steve Allen [panel] (Dec 20, 1964)](/img/tr.png)
![What's My Line? - Victor Borge; Steve Lawrence [panel] (Dec 15, 1963)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_3obTlPfaGg/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Jack Jones; Martin Gabel [panel] (May 2, 1965)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z9Ei0o_90V4/mqdefault.jpg)
![What's My Line? - Strange man invades the show; Melina Mercouri; Victor Borge [panel] (Oct 7, 1962)](/img/n.gif)
MET JOAN CRAWFORD ON THE SET OF "THE CARETAKERS" IN 1962...NICE LADY....
Not according to Mommy Dearest...
She really looks for love in all the wrong places so does many other people hers was just in the public eye
While working as a page at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco about 1972, I brought her welcoming bouquet to her room in the Presidential Suite. After passing her security, I looked for her in the bedroom and only saw two tiny women talking. One of them came out, stopped in front of me, looked up at the flowers and said, "Are those for me?" I then recognized her eyebrows only. I always thought she was tall and statuesque.
That's a great story to tell!
Cool story! I miss the days of Real Stars.
What a lovely story. I would've given anything to have met her, although I'm afraid I would have been at a loss for words. Gorgeous woman.
Yes...a few others always commented that they were shocked to find that she was really a "tiny" lady in real life ...got a chuckle about recognizing her Eyebrows...lol
About 10 years later in 1982 I was on Wilshire Blvd. in Santa Monica California a western part of Los Angeles Ca. They were filming an HBO piece. Suddenly I saw Bette Davis with Jimmy Stewart being filmed for the special. I couldn’t believe how tiny Bette Davis was next to a giant Jimmy Stewart.
Miss Crawford is really into this, she loves it. Good for her. At age 59 she was as glamourous in 1964 as back in her youth if not MORE so. The recent series on TV called Feud was interesting but they got one thing totally wrong, she would have never have been rude to a fan. She might have been a lot of things depicted over the yrs but NEVER that...
Most of us true Crawford fans spotted the fly in the ointment when we saw that scene. It was off putting.
I'm not a Crawford fan but I didn't believe that scene for a minute. Joan was always kind to her fans. She answered every fan letter personally. I watched the TV series Feud and I thought that it was a pile of trash. Joan was slandered, Bette was slandered, and what they did to Olivia de Havilland was ridiculous.
100 % true. Joan loved being adored by the public. She understood what was expected of her. She knew how to be a star and she was.
Though only 8 years old at the time of this show, my mom allowed us to stay up late on Sunday night. She thought the show was a very good example for us and it was, indeed, a grand treat to all watch in mom and dad's air conditioned bedroom when the weather was warm!
Miss. Crawford had what we all know today as a very distinctive style and a very distinctive voice. Ms. Crawford, could not have traveled anywhere in the world and not have been immediatly recognized.
I love Joan's speaking voice, it's natural and unaffected, none of this fake East Coast/Boston Brahmin thing. You can hear her San Antonio and Kansas City roots in her voice.
Ooh, that massive pile of hair on Madam Pepsi is fantastic to behold. It's fun to see this Hollywood legend in a venue like this. Even her signature is too grand to fit on their chalkboard.
Really. It's a good thing she didn't change her name to Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio.
It was a hairpiece.
Bette Davis said that she had tons of them during the 60s, when her natural hair began to thin.
@@jeremynv89523 Had a feeling it might be fake but it looks terrific.
This took place on the evening that I was born!
I do hope that your birthdays have been wonderful. I was born eighteen days later - on the 31st!
Continue to stay safe during this difficult time, Mr. Graves. God bless you and be well...
Do you remember watching the show ? Sometimes there's a small TV near the nurses stations in maternity wards.
@@jubalcalif9100 Yes, I loved this show growing up. Arlene Francis was always my favorite. Always a class act.
I just looked-up the time slot for this show in 1964, and it was at 10:30PM. I would have been born 30 minutes beforehand. :-)
@@JeffreyGroves You obviously have xlnt taste ! Yes, Ms Francis was truly one classy lady.....beautiful AND talented ! And always so wonderfully gracious ! :-)
My God, Miss Arlene Francis spoke so elegantly.
I love Ms. Francis. I watch it because of her. She is a GRAND lady. Along with the other socialite Diva Kitty Carlisle
Why oh Why did Arlene ever marry that dwarf Gabel?
@@kenretherford1197 "Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind, and therefore is winged Cupid painted blind." Shakespeare, A Midsummer Night's Dream.
Not elegantly, the word is eloquently.
Joan is Absolutely Gorgeous!! Glamour with a capital "G"
Crawford's first vocal disguise back in 1957 was pretty funny; but this vocal disguise takes the cake. Joan looked as though she was about to burst into tears at Arlene's praise.
A lot love Joan Crawford due her standing beauty and acting.❤
She so beautiful inside and out. Love Joan Crawford!
@22:09 "I'm just sorry that I lost 10 minutes of looking at you"
A descendent of Lafayette. Awesome !
She gave then what they wanted.....the public loved it and her!
Joan is incredible!!! Love her ❤
She has beautiful skin no work done to her face like actresses do today. She didn't try dress, or act young like a certain singer from this time and it somehow it makes Joan look even younger.
Cher? Lol
Joan had class, a priceless commodity which appears to be in woefully short supply these days, sadly.
Madonna? 😅
First contestant. Arlene's comment about "Oui Oui Wine." That sound you heard amid the laughter was the sound of CBS's censors biting right through the stems of their pipes. No discussion of after effects, darling.
I was 1 month old the day this aired...remember it well....
Damn you're old lol
❤️😂😂😂
Its inconceivable that a GREAT STAR like Joan could have ever felt insecure and forgotten later in life. She is absolutely splendid here, confident and totally owns the Audience. She never looked more Glamorous or beautiful. Such a shame that after her Pepsi career, she spiraled out of control.
Whenever a Frenchman comes out, I assume it's either food/drink, couture, or sports. If it's a nobleman, I assume wine. I don't think I've ever been disappointed by WML's predictability in this regard.
History has proven her to be a great actress
At 2:48 John gets off one of the best puns of the year with the "plaque on both [his] houses" line. The audience seems to like it better than the panel does. I assumed everyone would get the Romeo and Juliet reference to "a plague on both your houses", I.e. the warring Capulet and Montague families.
It is a pun that works well in print, too, since a "q" and a "g" look so similar in lower case.
At last I found someone who's matching both my present age, and looks! Joan Crawford and I even have the same bone structure, and she doesn't look younger than me! Thanks, Joan! You have now restored my feminine self-esteem as an aging woman! :)
SuperWinterborn uhhhhh show the camera?! Jessica Lange sure tried!! Give us life!! Gorgeous.
Joan Crawford was a durable and hard-working actress in films for more than 50 years.
we got a whistler... throughout out the whole show.
tomitstube
😂
A member of the crew, perhaps, to prod the audience to applaud and cheer.
The film that Miss Crawford appeared until July following year (1965) was I SAW WHAT YOU DID, the movie was released on July 21st, 1965. The horror/thriller was a major box-office success. 😀
Miss Crawford was 60 years old here.
probably a year or two older than that - her DOB is not completely certain
😳
@@brianhammer5107 1906
The most commonly referenced ones are 1904 and 1905.
She was 58 there
Dorothy wearing a very nice dress this episode!
superb actress and a glamorous star
But don't forget her Mommie Dearest actions against her poor daughter. 😢
@@Walterwhiterocks - turned out to be all lies , the daughter lied
I doubt that, Mike.
@@Walterwhiterocks - It's the truth - her daughter made it all up
Love Joan’s hair here
She has borderline electric eyes. Always love Joan Crawford for those eyes.
Joan is beautiful … I mean really
RE: Arlene's observation about working on Victor's piano or birds. At one time, Borge raised cornish game hens in Connecticut, but in the long run he lost money on the venture. Thank heaven he had music to fall back on.
Thank you. I did wonder about the birds comment.
Bennett not only got the first contestant's line but was the only panelist who knew how to address him correctly: Monsieur le Comte (even though his pronunciation of "comte" was a bit off-came out sounding like a naughty word I dare not say here lol)
Lol
And to think this is the same guy who hardly ever could get John Daly's full name right in all the years WML was on the air. :)
James Vaughan Monsieur le Compte? What was Bennett talking about? The guest's name was de La Fayetteville.
The first guest had the royal title of Count.
I love Victor. He is always good for a laugh...
The man has brought so much joy and laughter to the world. He was one of a kind; I could watch him for hours on end (and I have).
Now this nation, doesn't even know who La Fayette was.
Now they do, thanks to Hamilton!
So they have a big star like Joan Crawford on and all John talks about is Bob Hope and himself. That was really weird ...
At least it wasn’t yet another yarn about Tilton School.
Why is he doing all the talking about Bob Hope?
The November 8, 1965 episode is no longer available, but the panelists on TO TELL THE TRUTH that day had to decide who of the disguised three figures was the real Joan Crawford." The three women's faces were covered up by huge hats with dark veils over them. Interestingly, the other two hidden figures, when revealed,, were Dorothy Kilgallen and Arlene Francis! Even more interesting, the pre-taped episode appeared on a Monday afternoon. Dorothy had died from a drug/alcohol overdose in the early morning hours of that day. To my utter shock, Dorothy's death was announced immediateky following that game show by Douglas Edwards on his news program. I remember naively thinking how that could be?
I'm sure you know, there is serious question as to the actual cause of Ms. Kilgallen's death. She didn't look well in this episode to me. Swollen/puffy around the eyes, etc. and so may have been drinking and taking sleeping tablets, as was common in the era. However, the JFK conspiracy theory about her death seems entirely plausible to me as well.
@@shelleynobleart she was prescribed 2 per day, but usually took only one. Her other job called fir her to be seen at night clubs 4 or 5 times per week, and she would drin k lightly . She was seeing Ron Pataky at this time, and in the past she saw Johnnie Ray, and she drank more with Johnny than any else. The puffy eyes could be from crying as well. She was not a gard core partier at any time, and she had very busy days, every day, which she cou have done if she was as drunk as some idiots think.
@@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653
Ol' Ronnie Pataky finally kicked the bucket last summer; taking with him to the grave what (if anything) he knew about the highly suspicious death of Dorothy Kilgallen.
I think was very sweet of Joan to kiss Bennett and Victor on the lips or VERY close anyway...not something I’ve seen very often on this show. Victor in turn kissed Arlene and a somewhat reluctant Dorothy on the lips.
He ended up getting Dorothy on the chin.
@@richatlarge462 He was lucky to find it.
"Auntie Mame"
Forrest Tucker fell off a cliff... and a young boy (he lifted all the ropes)... Now 23 married in her wife.
*_SELLS CHAMPAGNE_*
*_TUNES VICTOR BORGE'S PIANO AT THEATRE EVERY DAY_*
Joan Crawford for all the bad rap she had (Mommy Dearest) was and still is the ultimate movie star.
*No wire hangers! EVER!!!*
The audience keeps giving clues away sometimes! lol, they'll applaud at certain questions before the guests can even answer and it's like "Okay, I'm getting warm!"
Part of the show. Start gushing the audience and you dampen the lively spirit of the game. It would become a damn business. And we wouldn't be turning to these old episodes for escapism. From the damn business of today.
I wouldn't have wanted to piss off the piano tuner.
In the 1920s & 1930s, fellow Texan J.Crawford was HOT.
I was waiting for them to bring out a musical fish: the PIANO TUNA !!
Notice when Joan leave Victor kisses Arlene and Dorthy bc she gave them kisses and he needed to taste some more Joan 😩😩😂
Jesus. That signature.
At least she didn’t break the chalk this time.
I hope that Joan brought Pepsi for everyone! I wonder if they purposely didn't name the product?
***** My Mother drank Ne-Hi in the 30's. I think the bottles were even bigger than Pepsis. She called it "bellywash"
***** I can remember the long neck Ne-Hi bottles from the 60's. Gone, I guess. I ain't paid attention to Ne-Hi for months.
I am sure they on purpose did not mention Pepsi by name since sponsors wielded much more power on television back then. Back then they were not even permitted to refer to the other networks by name. They would only say "on a different network".
@@jubalcalif9100 Actually John would mention, by name, the other networks if a guest was appearing there.
Many, ah mystery guests response to Victor Borge: "🤨"
My Response to the hilarity that ensues: "😂🤣😂😂"
21:21 👏
And at this point, nobody knows or realizes that there is a chilling connection in the future between Dorothy and Joan Crawford. Dorothy's final TV appearance less than a year in the future was impersonating Joan Crawford in "To Tell The Truth" -- broadcasted on tape the afternoon after Dorothy's untimely death. That tape has not surfaced yet.
Dorothy was supposed to have lunch with Joan the day she died.
interesting
Alot more things I know about with Dorothy and Joan.
That hairstyle !!!
So 1960s!!!
Each time I see Joan Crawford, I can’t seem to get mommy dearest out of my mind.
Doing a Southern accent Joan was at home. She was born in the South.
San Antonio is not the south. Mexico is west of San Antonio. You won’t hear the southern dialect there unless you encounter someone who happened to relocate there.
A direct descendant of Lafayette?! OMG ❤
The higher the hair, The closer to Gawd 👸🏼
No need for a purse!
Omg😂😂😂
Obviously Joan Crawford wasn't on the show to promote something special. 1964 she starred in "Strait-Jacket" and began filming "Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte" with Bette Davis. She quit the film after just a few days either because of illness or because of grave harassment by Davis. She was replaced with Olivia de Havilland.
After a given point with Bette Davis, Ms Crawford came to the conclusion that life was too short to endure working with her. The producers approached Vivien Leigh and her view of Davis was not at variance with Joan's. Olivia de Havilland took the role. She had worked with Davis at Warner Brothers back in the thirties, so she was psyched for anything. Actually deHavilland was great in that role.
+Johan Bengtsson She was fired b/c she held up production twice which many think she did it on purpose and the director had no choice but to her and wanted vivien leigh but she did not want to wake up every morning and face bette davis so he went with olivia dehavilland. Bette Davis' good friend for many years.
@@soulierinvestments Well said and well put ! I am glad Ms Crawford dropped out of the film....I think Ms de Havilland was perfection in the role. And one would never know she was a last minute replacement for Joan.
Joan was unhappy with the script and thought that her role should be larger. She held up production twice, then went back to Hollywood and pretended to be ill. The producers had enough of her antics, so they fired her and hired Olivia de Havilland, who was perfect in the role of Miriam. Bette and Olivia were good friends from their days acting together at Warner Brothers.
@@SymphonyBrahms Joan was unhappy with the script because Aldrich's 'partner' (Davis) was systematically ruining it by drastically cutting up the Miriam character (the most interesting character). Joan did not sign on to the film with the agreement that Davis rewrite the script. Yes she was ill with a respiratory condition and tried to use it to her advantage (as leverage) but of course Aldrich sided with Davis' butchery. The nasty twosome (Aldrich/Davis) with no shame probably. But of course Davis had the script favor her character but in the end she failed to be nominated for an Oscar or golden globe as she had for Baby Jane.
The woman on the right (Arlene?) looks like Helen Mirren.
Yes...there is a resemblance in the "dished nose"....
Fifteen dollars? Wow, that sucks.
Streuth. If Crawford was 59, I am the District Commissioner for Mars. I hope that I was that beautiful at 59
but by then my black beard was showing some gray!
She was on the show 5 times!!! She’s was a regular I guess!😂😂
Sometimes John just lingers way too long with one person making chit chat and then everyone else has to be rushed. I don't know why he does this so often.
He was managing the clock on live television, which is a lot harder than it looks when the contestants are figured out in wildly varying times. The first two on this show were done quickly, and here comes Joan Crawford. What do you do? You honor the legend with as much time as they deserve AND are willing to take. In the back of Daly's mind is when to give up on the possibility of a fourth contestant, and if so, streeeeeetch out the bird in hand for as much time. It's a fine talent he had, doing all that AND making people feel at ease, not rushed.
My favorite is Arlene
Is Mr. Ying, the piano tuner missing a tooth? You would think Victor Borge' would cover dental.
Perhaps he was related to the Terry-Thomas school of dental care.
I was waiting for Victor to go over and kiss Bennett.
So was Victor Cheating,?..
😐😐😐🤔😉🙃🫠🫠🫠😎
I was waiting for Joan Crawford to be the guest when Bette Davis was, though it was a while ago. If Bette is on, Joan soon will be. If Joan is on, Bette soon will be. Does anyone know if they maintained equal appearances as a Mystery Guest or did one "win" by having more appearances?
Bennett's language in this episode is reprehensible for the 1960s. That's no way to address a Count.
Was Bennett really that well known for his good works? The BEST in the United States? More than Doris Duke for heaven's sake?
He appears to have been genuinely beloved. It’s rather sad that we know so little about him now.
He was a member of the tribe
@@markthomas6703ANTI-SEMITIC wisecrack.
Does anyone know what Dorothy had done to her face? Maybe they did a facelift and tried to correct her chin and bite. Anyway it didn’t work for her, and her speech seems to have been affected too. Not being snarky, I’m just curious.
:( I haven't seen this show in 2 weeks; I'd forgotten about John turning over those cards for no reason
Lol..I doubt you forgot 🙄
It was blatantly obvious what the first guest did just from his name and location.
WoW! Some of these answers were no brainers and the host explained far to much information making it easier for the panel to guess! duh!
This program was great Nothing like anymore I realize Joan Crawford was a very good actress but for some reason I wasn't vs big fan of hers. I am a great admire of the golden age of Hollywood and even before mommie dearest I wasn't fond of her. She appeared harsh looking. Please don't gang up on me for this. Thanks
Gang up on you? Quite the opposite. Your assessment of Miss JC is shared by many of us.
The chin
I must be morphing into a grouch. After re-watching some 150-200 shows thus far, I find comedian panelists to be disruptive, delaying, and generally annoying [whatever their merits when performing in their own shows].
Do you also notice the one common trait that virtually all of the guest panelists share?
Surprised Joan is not drunk!
Hmmm...are you sure she didnt have a Vodka waiting in the wings before going on..? and that "Smokers cough" was sure catching up with her...but we all Love her nonetheless.!
In introducing the first contestant, did JCD - -born a British subject - go out of his way not to say American Revolution? He called it "the struggle for American freedom" Huh??? I know he always tried to be politically correct, but who is he kidding???
People take their pianos to him????? C'mon, c'mon!
Maybe they bring their bad pitches to him. 😄
Chris Barat Hmmmm. If I send you a key will you lock yourself up?
Victor Borge is daff as a bat .
Barbra, please!
I just noticed, when the panel and John walk out between the curtains, there is no chalk board set up to the side. Yet once the guests start coming out, there's the chalkboard. So am I missing it? Is it there and I don't see it? Do they push it out between the curtains while John is being seated? When and where does this chalkboard actually pop up because I don't see it being present.
Apparently the section of the stage set containing the sign-in board was rolled into the space where John and the panel enter, just as you surmise. It's not a true chalkboard but a frame containing sheets of black cardboard, open at the top so a stagehand behind the set can slide out a used sheet to reveal a new one. Some of the signed sheets were saved and have been auctioned, I'm told; I don't have details.
Joan sure seemed affectionate for a mean mommy
She played the role well.
"No wire hangers! Ever!"
She's weird ! I'm trying to be ?
I guess the audience was very well mannered or was not aware of Dorothy's preference for drink when she was questioning Mr. Lafayette.
Everybody drank back then, FFS.
Love Joan Crawford...but even on TV, the lady seems a bit awkward, self - conscious and a bit "Humourless" . She is definitely Not a "Comedian" or "live" performer. How paradoxical that woman who was a notorious "germaphobe", coughs into hands and then proceeds to shake hands and Kiss all the panelists...lol What would she have done in a Covid pandemic...? My queries aside, one sure hears the thunderous applause and sees the glamourous style that made her an Icon for decades.
Joan talked too much... but she was having a ball for sure!
pfft
Dorothy looked a little charged 24:08
She probably had a cocktail or five before the show.
I do not get it really. When it comes right down to it, Victor Borge's WML style is as incompetent as Wally Cox's. But I find Borge hysterical. He was a Danish knight. If he did not, he *should* have received a Kennedy Center honor.
Being an effective panelist definitely was an art all its own.
Do you have a well known hatred for wire hangers?
Do you like to trim rose bushes late at night?
I love Victor's shows but what is he doing on this show repeatedly? Painful to be honest, no fly-in comedian needed...... The format isnt for him and the show has enough built-in humour. I suppose a headline name was needed for the TV Guide crowd, not regular viewers. Grateful for uploading the hundreds of episodes though, fascinating window on the era.
As soon as I saw that Victor Borge was on the panel, at least I was prepared for exactly what I knew was about to come.....a countless string of repetitive, unfunny comments...
+Galileocan g I would agree. I've seen his act before and I don't find him the least bit funny and I find him very annoying on this show. He's got the ad lib capabilities of a 12 year old.
Victor was a great entertainer, but completely out of his element here.
not funny and not a competent player. It having already been established that the product is wine, he heads off in an obviously wrong direction. Fortunately he had to disqualify himself in the next round and couldn't mess that one up, although that was a big clue for the other panelists.
He was funny as heII on his own shows, but was an annoying pain in the a$$ on What’s My Line. Same with Groucho Marx and Wally Cox.
I love this show and rarely complain about the guests on the panel, but I must agree - Victor Borge was really annoying and not funny, The show has enough natural humor and doesn't need anything forced.
Lindsay Lohan is Joan Crawford in about 30 years.
I thought when Dorothy came out, she was looking more striking than usual, but then she started to talk and it looked like another stroke coming on.
She probably had a few cocktails before she came out on the stage. Her nickname was Dorothy Kill Fifth.
@@SymphonyBrahms 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dorothy "knocked off" badly when tipsy. Instead of her normal poise and inquisitive nature, she'd giggle and slur her words. It is very easy to spot when she's had a few nips.
She looked great and was as sharp as usual!!
She looked great and was as sharp as usual!!
That Borg cat is lame as all hell
Victor Borge and Groucho Marx were so annoying on this program.
Omg! Victor Borge was so annoying.
I agree 100 per cent. He had the bad habit that Groucho and Milton Berle had....turning every thing into a joke.
@Silversled As I do when I take off my hat, you make a good point ! Yes indeed, I certainly am in a minority. Even my late mom loved the comedy of Victor Borge. But no one entertainer can please everyone. I simply don't find Borge's schtick all that amusing. Thank your for your supportive comment !
@Silversled You're quite welcome, of course ! Refreshing to have a polite & courteous conversation for a change here at YT ! Your kindness is greatly appreciated ! :-)
@Silversled You are naturally more than welcome, my friend !! :-)