A Farewell to the Chevy Bolt
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2021
- We're clearing some much needed space at Munro & Associates. In doing so, Sandy takes a look back and says goodbye to the Chevy Bolt.
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Whatever others say, here is my testimony as a real owner of a real 2019 Premier:
Chevrolet Bolt EV is an EXCELLENT car. My hat's off to GM for making this masterpiece.
Ex-owner of a 2017 Chevy Bolt. A bit expensive for the size vehicle, but I thought it was a great car. Plenty fast, easy to get around in. I am not sure how much of the car was LG and how much GM, but "back in it's day", it was and I think still is a very good car.
Agree.
6 months into owning a 2019 Bolt. It's my first EV and I love it. Not flashy, but fun and cheap to own - I never could've afforded a Model 3.
I kinda like the "stealth EV" effect, too. Maybe not good for marketing, but good for me! Range is fantastic, too!
Was watching for a used one in Europe and they seem to have depreciated much faster than Teslas.. Maybe cheaper to insure too.
I have a 2020 Bolt and I couldn't justify the Tesla's cost. I was able to get $15,000 off the sticker which put the fully loaded Bolt under $30k. Other than cost, my biggest objection to Tesla is their stinginess with info and slow replacement parts (assuming crash and body parts needed) and right-to-repair. With GM I was able to buy the service manuals (pricy but available) so I could get information as needed. For one thing, I was impressed that the manual shows the location of every weld, bonding surface, bonding agent and clearances. The schematics, pin-outs, power distribution diagrams were another set of information in those service manuals. I don't believe Tesla would be so free with the same info.
@@rkan2 Sadly no, All EVs suffer from absurdly high insurance costs - it`s kept me from being able to afford one. It is cheaper to ev convert a used ICE car and insure/plate that. Obviously skill, time and funds to do the conversion are a factor but our current financial system is against EV on every level.
@@sp1nrx many service manuals are on torrent too 😀
I agree, we bought two, a 17 and a 19, and we love owning these. Haven't been to a gas station in 8 months.
I drive a 2020 Bolt LT 50 miles each way to work and avg about 4.7 mi/kwh. I love the handling and price to operate. Hands down the best car I've ever owned.
Nice to know, but no electric car available today can replicate our 1993 summer family camping vacation from Indiana to Montana, not enough charging stations plus our family could not have afforded a powerful model to tow the trailer. Recently my commute was 40 miles each way, glad that only lasted about a year;)
@@JeepCherokeeful Your charging stations will come. Gasoline use to to be sold only at drug stores.
And now we see electric buses and eighteen-wheelers out there.
@@JeepCherokeeful Not yet.
@@WCM1945 hasn’t happened yet in my midwestern city
@@WCM1945, sure buy a lot of cities are giving up on their EV buses. They didn't realize the cost and maintenance 🙄..then Hertz also gave them up..same reason..it's not the answer, it's a niche..
I have a 2017 Bolt as a work vehicle. It's a great car (from the consumer standpoint, rather than manufacturing). I know it's not as advanced as some of the other stuff but it's reliable and it was cheap as hell to buy
idk how reliable it was. the bolt is known for battery failures and fires
@@Capthrax1 we will see about the battery, they recalled the issue and I got the fix for it. GM has a really good battery management system. The Spark and Volt batteries lasted forever, the Bolt will probably be the same way.
I'm at 48k miles and don't have any degradation at all yet
@@tjwatson0403 They kinda have a history of it. thats why they are so cheap to get.
@@tjwatson0403 As a fellow Bolt EV owner... this comment didn't age well :P
@@Alex-je6od yeah I'm bummed about the recall too. I keep marshmallows in it in case she lights up
Say what you want about the complexity and methods GM used to make the Volt/Bolt but my 2011 Volt has been completely reliable and the way GM designed the battery has allowed little to no range degradation over the 10 years it’s been in use and the 148,000 miles on it.
Its so good they stopped the production 😂😂😂
I bought a 2021 Bolt. Absolutely love it. After all discounts and rebates I got a "premier" with 6 miles on it for $17800 out the door. Yes $17,000! Zero interest 10 year battery warranty and lifetime power train warranty.
Try getting a Tesla for that.
@@lepidoptera9337 So far it has been great! I didn't get it to hug trees or for status.
I wanted cheaper transportation. It does that and I couldn't be happier. A full charge costs $2.60 and it goes 250 miles. Work let's me charge there so it's even cheaper.
@@lepidoptera9337 I wouldn't call them cheap. The car stared out at $46k. I was smart enough to get all the rebates and discounts possible. Even the sales guy paid more for his then I did. I would not have paid $46k for an electric car. Now that I own one I most certainly would.
@@lepidoptera9337 Don't care. I would never have spent the money to buy a Tesla. Not now and not in the future. Tesla has forgotten about this market leaving the door open for other manufacturers. Thats a mistake. I don't have anything against them I just won't spend that much for one.
@@lepidoptera9337 Well one thing you said Is true, You are an A hole and a stuck up pretentious one as well.
I never said Tesla was required to cater to my financial limits. You also assume I can't afford one.
Rich people get rich by making good spending choices. I wouldn't say I'm rich but I could pay cash for any model that Tesla makes.
Happy people make friends by not being an A when they first talk to someone. My impression if you care, and I'm guessing many other good people that have crossed paths with you is that you are not someone I care to know.
As far as the Bolt goes it's a great car and an excellent choice even at full price.
Have a wonderful day.
Lepi is just an Elon cult zombie
I have a 2017 Chevy Bolt. I love my lil car. The 2022 one looks good too.
It's a great commuter car. The Bolt is it's own platform though, the BEV2.
It’s electric. Of course you love it.
The Bolt was designed and built with budgetary constraints yet still introduced a number of good features and innovations. The cabling did not "kill" the Bolt. It is an example of design that worked but did use more material than a further development would. VW's battery pack shows that they did address that issue with a very compact wiring scheme.
The real error is the Bolt was a small car and Americans buying from legacy manufacturers don't like small cars.
@NotADuck Toyota is sadly not embracing electrics now
"In its day"? This car is only four years old, not something from the age of steam.
it's obsolete because Tesla accelerated the evolution
It was planned well before 2017. As with most products, what we (consumer) see is the final result of years of effort.
Cars are getting to be more like when you bought a computer in the early 90’s. After buying a computer in 1991 in just 2 years it was considered a dinosaur.
@@terrybussell8985 Which is why Tesla does OTA updates. My 2018 model 3 has almost all of the same features as a 2021
EVs are delevoping at a fast pace. This is why I bought my first new car last year. I always bought used cars back when I drove ICE cars.
I think GM didn't really want to sell these cars. They didn't market them. I think they simply wanted to make something for the purpose of saying "Gosh golly, we tried and no one wants it". The didn't make any more die castings because they didn't plan on making enough of these cars to recover the cost of the dies. I owned one of these.... I gave a test drive to a co-worker and he was grinning from ear to ear asking why he'd never heard of this car. It's a fantastic little "run around town" car.
Back on task... I'm convinced that GM didn't want to sell these... it was to be the follow up to the EV1. The EV1 is a great example of "we could, but we really don't want to".
In 2017 GM said they'd have 22 new EV models and all they have today is a $113hummer that you have to plug in to make the lights come on and a Caddy that exists in CGI only. GM had such a head start... classic case of Kodak having a digital camera and suppressing it because it would kill their core business. Even Ford came out of the woodwork swinging with their F150 truck and unlike GM's EVs.... it exists! GM: Couldda, Shouldda Wouldda.
Curse of EV1
If GM didn't want to sell these, then why did they put through the effort to A: Beat Tesla's Model 3 to launch and B: design a 2nd generation?
Clearly there was intention to sell here, and I got screenshot proof of ads for these over the years.
@@cpufreak101 If you buy an EV and it sucks, will you buy another? If you can't sell your cars in a country without paying a fine for each car sold or building a few thousand EVs, do you just pay the fine on millions of cars instead? GM clearly did not want to sell any EVs. The production numbers prove that.
@@cpufreak101 It was a compliance car. The reason for Gen2 Bolt? Because it's the car they have /today/. I can remember Mary Barra saying GM wasn't in the charging business, next thing ya know they are in bed with Bechtel for chargers. They tried to bluff us into thinking they could make an EV... and we called them on their bluff. Now they are caught with pants down showing off a $113k Hummer that doesnt drive (youtube all the static youtube celebrity endorsements) and a caddilac that exists only as a CGI rendering. 22 new models in 5 years? They've shown us 1)new bolt, 2)hummer you can't drive, 3)renderings of a Caddy.... and as we're approaching 5 years from 2017 statement, they tells us 30 new models are.. you guessed it.... 5 years away.
I am however, impressed with Ford's F150 truck.
re: "I think GM didn't really want to sell these cars." i would actually agree with this statement, and not just for GM but for all legacy OEMS. look at Toyota's position fercrissakes, these were the guys why PIONEERED hybrids with the Prius and now have multiple generations of that model with multiple variants, but yet still haven't produced a full BEV...? one would think it would be THEM (not GM) keeping Tesla honest, but not so much. it would seem then the rumors of the EV1's demise are "greatly exaggerated", for the IP/Intellectual Property gleaned back 25 years ago LIVES in the Bolt. #EV2
"In its' day I thought it had potential", like it's a damn Edsel. There are still new prefacelift Bolts on Chevy dealer lots (and would be more if not for the chip shortage) and I see more of them around than any other single model/generation of EV.
Honestly not anymore. They're few and far between because of chip shortage and the recall. They're also selling fast too and values have increased on them. Gas has gone up and will likely continue to forcing demand to uptick on these.
The fuel savings if it averages ~$3/gallon over 6 years for my 60mi commute is $10K. That's before you remove the likely very low maintenance costs.
@@anthonyreynolds2365 I stand by my comment's accuracy as of when I made it 2 months ago. I drive by a Chevy dealer on my daily commute and they had one. As of the last time I looked there were 3 new Bolts, all post-facelift, and 2 EUVs. They may be under stop-sale order which is probably the only reason there are that many.
I have a 2020 Bolt and it has been flawless.
Let's hope so. It's only 2021.
@@kenbob1071 Ken anyone who came through 2020 flawless is someone to listen too.
There's a special place in my heart for the bolt, It was not the best, it had many downfalls, but it was the car that got me interested in EVs, OK its not a Tesla.....but its a Battery companies attempt, and I love that spirit.
Dear Sandy, I think you maybe mistaken. The BEVII platform was designed for the Bolt. They did not try to shoehorn the Bolt into an existing platform. Here is a quote from GMAuthority article titled "GM BEV2 Vehicle Platform": "The BEV2 vehicle architecture is a General Motors platform designed to underpin electric vehicles. The platform was engineered from the ground up to underpin electric cars.
Short for Battery Electric Vehicle 2 and sometimes spelled with Roman Numerals like BEVII, the platform made its debut with the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV, and underpins four other GM battery electric vehicles, including the Chevrolet Menlo EV, Chevrolet Bolt EUV, Buick Velite 6, and Buick Velite 7."
"GM initially started out developing the Bolt EV on the Gamma 2 platform, but as development progressed, engineers created a new platform now known as BEV2, which doesn’t share components with Gamma.
In another interview, Tavel stated that the Bolt EV shares the liquid sound deadener with other Gamma platform vehicles."
So, only the liquid sound deadener is common with the old Gamma platform.
Some sources to confirm this: www.caranddriver.com/news/a15104137/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-photos-and-info-news/ and www.greencarreports.com/news/1106137_chevy-bolt-ev-not-on-shared-architecture-but-platform-name-secret-gm-says
They used Gamma to test the concept, but it ended up as an separate platform.
I bought a 2020 Bolt over a Model 3 due to price, reliability, insurance, ergonomics and right to repair. Sure I had to check my ego because the thing isn't winning any beauty pageants but I'm a father of three young kids and just needed cost efficient reliable transportation, The Bolt easily checked all the boxes of Functionality that I needed.
Yep. Father of two here. Among other things I needed a real back seat. Love my Bolt.
Same here, but then in Europe. It as a different brand (Opel) but it is the same car. Looked at Model 3 standard range, but the price difference is so big, so I bought a used 2017 Bolt (Ampera-e)
This comment didnt age well
@@Matzes Still the best, most reliable car I have ever owned, if the Bolt was an ICE car and had the percentage of issues it had the media would not of cared and therefore no one would of noticed. I'm getting a free new battery with a free new warranty on a vehicle I continue to have no issues with so"LG" Life's Good, LOL.
@@kellyessenwanger9800 make Sure to Park it far away from anything flammable lol
Family of 3 drivers. I've got both a Model 3 and a Bolt plus a Subaru Imprezza. I like the Bolt. A lot. As a city car and daily driver. If both the Bolt and M3 are sitting in the garage I take the Bolt.
Please, tell me why you choose Bolt when both are sitting in the garage? I'm choosing between the two
We’ve had a Bolt for over a year. We freaking LOVE it. Super fun and quick, quiet and comfortable. Regarding the seat’s width, not a problem at all for someone who is thinner and fit, but I could see it would be a problem for larger folks.
I love my Bolt but the seats are too narrow for me. I'm 5'11" and 165 lbs with 32" waist. I fixed it with a seat cushion.
Hi Sandy, I disagree with you, I think the Bolt is a cute car. I've owned and loved it since Sept 2017. It's really a joy to drive. It was exactly what I was looking for and at the right price I could afford with $5,000 discount from dealer. I don't like the look or feel of the Model 3 and the standard range, more affordable version, was not even available at the time I bought the Bolt new. It's still going strong after 3-3/4 years with now noticable degradation of the battery. Also, I take it on long trips too with now problem. Also, it's more roomy than the Chevy Trax and the Buick Encore inside. Also, I love the tight turning circle of about 35 feet.
I just bought a 2021 bolt lol. Got $16,000 off sticker. Well worth it for $24k
That is a great deal. You will love the car.
Same for 24k in jersey. Fucking AWESOME car for this price. Absolutely love the L mode with the Regen trigger. No brakes ever.
I test drove a Bolt, while owning a Volt. Cooler performance and range-wise. However, like Sandy opined, its looks failed. It looks like an old Saab. Not a look I wanted to wear down-the-road for the next 15-20 years.
I waited for Model 3... and glad I did.
The Volt was the best looking GM EV car to. date, yet they discontinued it. It just needed to be a little larger.
Yea but who's going to service it?
I’m on my 2nd Bolt. Super cheap to lease and run. I love the hatchback utility, modest size and very decent range. Yes the seats still suck and fit and finish on my 2020 is even worse than on the 2017. GM could have been making incremental improvements to it with each model year but they really didn’t aside from the new less fiery battery pack and added range that came some time in 2019. GM continue to send me glossy flyers in the mail showing all of their gas SUVs and no mention of the existence of the Bolt EV.
I've noticed the complete lack of marketing for the Bolt, too. It's like they don't even _want_ to sell them.
@@WCM1945 they don't want to cannibalize thier ICE bread and butter sales.
@@WCM1945 Funny you say that Bill. I went to my local Chevy dealer to look at a Bolt, not one salesperson came over to me. I went to the front desk and inquired about the new EUV...........they were clueless.
My local dealer didn't to sell it to me and they made sure to put equipment in front of all the charging stations. I still get flyers also. I just assumed I would get them for life.
GM gets tax and emission credits that let them sell gas guzzlers at high profits.
2019 bolt owner, 105k miles all mine. Love it.
I drive a bolt. I loved it . It would be a great commuter car.
I've had a Bolt EV for 2 years and I'm extremely happy with it. It feels roomy inside and is very small outside. As a driver why do I care how many miles of wires are in the car or how many fuses?
As a consumer, you don't need to care, the extra cables and modules might even make it easier to work on.
The reason all the cabling and seperate modules are bad is because they increase costs... Each HV connector might cost 20-30$, and every module takes assembly time, more cables, more fasteners and connectors. These costs add up ... The bolt has never been profitable for GM to sell, so despite being a great little car(I know several people who share your opinion) GM only ever sold the number required to avoid fines in ZEV states.
you are paying for all those fuses and wires in an indirect day. Also, the less parts you have, the lower your total cost of ownership will be, as less things can fail
The most reliable part is no part…. So said a certain Mr Musk..
Costs add up, but it's still cheaper and more reliable than a model 3.
@@invalidopinion3378 All batteries on the Bolt are crap and have to be replaced. Many got smoked incl. garage and house. Very reliable as a fire starter.
Thank you again. I love your presentations!
As an owner of a bolt, I can say it is a fantastic car -- when you consider the price. I paid 23k out the door for the vehicle brand new about four months ago. When comparing this against the Model 3 -- it really isn't competing in the market, even though at launch they were meant to be. If they sold the bolt close to actual MSRP they wouldn't sell it as it is. You can also infer the profitability for GM vs. Tesla is vastly different for what likely represents a similar assembly cost. If GM continues to make the next model of the bolt ('22) and doesn't make improvements and doesn't manage to increase their average selling price it is easy to see where GM will go.
It's a good car for a transition but its time is done. Bolt was restricted by the old platform. So GM do the right thing and move on. Redesign new car from the ground up.
You can buy brand new 2021 for around 22k. You can’t find any other EV with 260 mile range for anywhere near that price. Very underrated car.
@@edwurtle where do you guys see those prices? Is it a salvage? What's the catch?
@@Iamallwaysright1 re: "where do you guys see those prices? Is it a salvage? What's the catch?" no catch, that's NEW, tons of rebates (cash on the hood) and the updated 2022's Bolt and Bolt EUV are coming off the trucks as we speak. my local dealer wasn't necessarily "advertising" widely/openly but if you surfed Bolts on their website, they did in fact lay out all the numbers. example: GM has a factory to dealer $8000 rebate to offset the loss of the $7500 Fed EV credit. if you were a Costco Member, you got another $3000, so that's $11 grand off right there.
@@edwurtle For a $ 15000. loss.
Sandy, bought a 21 with a great discount. Compliments my Model 3 very well. The 20/21 are the only “affordable” EVs right now.
COMPLIANCE clown car.
@@markplott4820 don’t be jealous.
Interesting about the motor being so advanced that Sandy mentioned he was surprised that Tesla did design it the same way.
Patents.
That took a hairpin 🤣
I got my ‘20 Bolt 6 months ago brand new for $21K. It’s a solid car, especially since it’s an early EV. The form factor is spot on for usability in my average suburban lifestyle. My biggest quibbles are that I’d prefer better cornering, and the front seat could be a bit wider. I think they tried to compensate too much for the cornering with aggressive side bolsters.
It might not be the best, or the prettiest, but it’s worth every penny I paid. It’s a solid value.
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Reminds me of the roadster. When they tried to pack everything into it. Realizing they needed to start from scratch.
You should organise a dumpster dive at Munro!
I would definitely attend if I lived closer to Michigan.
Great watching the evolution of the EV industry. The deign and manufacturing approach and execution is fascinating.
Sandy is of course correct on the engineering of the car. But I have to say, I am on my second Bolt and it has been a fantastic car. No "initial build quality" issues. My first was a 2019 lease that I traded in at 65K miles with no trips to the shop. The second is a 2021 model that I bought outright for 22K, with California rebates. I spent 3K of the savings on an 8yr 130K bumper-to-bumper extended warranty. It's not a Tesla, but it is a quick, reliable, fun to drive electric car.
Do those warranties pay off on EVs?
FYI I own a 2020 Chevy Bolt premier, my daily driver, I absolutely love it and wouldn't even consider trading for a Tesla! For me it's the right car at the right time.
The Bolt was the first EV to crack the 200 mile range. That was it's big deal back in the day.
The Roadster was the first highway legal serial production all-electric car to use lithium-ion battery cells and the first production all-electric car to travel more than 320 kilometres (200 mi) per charge. Wikipedia
@@waynerussell6401 nope it wasn't
@@waynerussell6401 Okay, I should have said "affordable".
Geoff - the BOLT was OVERWEIGHT , the model 3 BROKE the 300 mile barrier and had a LIGHTER, NIMBLER, and Cheaper car to Produce.
@@markplott4820 I don't disagree, but if you look at what was available in 2017, the Bolt was the only EV selling under $45K that could go over 200 miles on a charge. It's not like it had nothing going for it at the time.
I put around 2100 miles a month on my 2023 Bolt and half of my commute is on rough rural roads and so far the Bolt has held up well! I hope I can get toyota miles out of this car and keep it for 10 years!
Thanks Sandy for doing this. As a Tesla owner, I've also driven a Bolt for some time and found it's actually a decent car. It's certainly more efficient than the Tesla. Hopefully, the new Bolt will do better than the prior generation. Just for reference, WeberAuto has done some great stuff on the Bolt as well.
Shout out to Weber Auto... They are doing great work getting EV Information out for mechanics and auto enthusiasts.
@Munro_live They may actually be a great recipient of your teardown materials! The fact that they would be building teaching demonstration aids, not using the parts for repair, might mitigate the insurance question!
Alex, Certainly more efficient than than a Tesla? Which one? Maybe a Tesla Semi. As Sandy mentioned in his video they have a ton of fuses while Tesla has none. I would love to know what you definition of efficient is.
@@randybrown2876 you realise that those fuses cost almost nothing right! The tesla solution is way way more expensive, the bolt just like some Hyundai electric vehicles are more efficient than tesla model3 not the semi.
@@randybrown2876 the Bolt will easily do 5 miles /wh hour. The Tesla is lucky to do 4 and more commonly 3. While it’s not a Tesla, the Bolt is not a bad car.
@@kschleic9053 Weber is an awesome site and he’s very knowledgeable too.
I bought a used Chevy volt. I never liked GMs since I had to rent them while traveling in the past and saw them get better overtime. My buddy bought this car and I was impressed with it. I bought it from him and have been very happy with it.
Give this car to Rich Rebuilds so he can put it back together
That would be a fun partnership to follow!
Bolt interior space and chassis with the Volt body on top would have been very successful
About the hairpins - curious why you think that is more efficient. I see the mechanical elegance of using that type of winding, but as a motor designer I find different results. I have simulated and built prototypes with hairpin and round wire and here's the thing - low speed the hairpin wins due the higher copper slot fill factor; high speed the round wire wins, as for the hairpin due to the cramped slot the skin and proximity effects wreak havoc - some call these AC copper losses. So the answer was always clear - want a low speed NEDC/WLTP focused motor - do hairpins; want something that is efficienct at speed do round wire. I have an FEA model in front of me of an M3 with hairpins (I wodered too) and it is worse at any load above 53MPH.
I'd add too the build process is very automate-able for both, but the round wire uses less laser zaps and is faster overall.
Have huge respect for what you and the company is doing, just curious is me or you are missing a trick, 'cause I'm not ususally on such a divergent path vs your assesment.
Interesting... Some of the battery management are similar to my volvo v60 d6 (diesel plug-in hybrid). Tanks for sharing!
“In its day” he says, a year before GM sells more Bolts than ever before.
Re assemble just enough to use it in a Demolition Derby. Then scrap it.
Should have ran the derby before the tear down. Would have made the job easier 😜
Thats actually a fun idea and Sandy has racing in his blood. Maybe a Munro sponsored race or DD.
Dealers within 100 miles of me rarely have one on the lot. Because they are sold in transit. At $5000 markup. Oh well, can’t always be right
Just like me - tear down the car and then forget how to put it back together again.
Mr. Munro. I enjoyed your review of the Bolt...I understood everything you said (Yes, old gear head here). I will only take exception with 'who wanted the car.' A friend of mine has one, she loves it. Has a 100 mile commute (all Interstate) and a garage with a charger. She wanted a cheap to run roller skate and the Bolt hit it. I hope GM is listening to the wise things you pointed out. Even though, most Bolt drivers won't care about them...a better product is a happier purchaser. Thank you.
I usually watch Munro Live videos "at the end of the day".😉
Only Sandy can make a compelling video about throwing shit away. Love it!
OMG I just found you and so happy!!! this is the project farm for cars!!! you remind me of my father who was a sears repairman back in the day when service meant something!!!
Welcome aboard!
Nice compliment.
Great job Sandy. And thanks for your knowledge.
“GM couldn't make a car like this by themselves.” Is that actually accurate? Didn't GM engineer & build the *Volt?* Volt is a great car; shame nobody bought it.
Getting the marketing division on board is like moving mountains.
@@WCM1945 I agree with Bill. The real shame is GM didn't want to sell it.
@@floobertuber the dealers didn’t like it. They couldn’t make any money off of service with it.
@@WCM1945 Yeah, I had two Volts, and everyone I talked to thought (based on GM's marketing) it was an EV that only went 40 to 50 miles. GM could have sold tons with one marketing line: "For your first 50 miles, Volt silently zips around on electricity that's 5X cheaper than gasoline. The rest of your day, Volt is a gas-electric hybrid that's not slow and ugly like a Prius."
I have a Volt it's a great car! Also have a Bolt, and Model Y. Started with a 2000 Honda insight, followed by a Prius, Ford Energi, and a Leaf. All but these cars, except the Energi, are driven by friends.
Can’t wait for the Mach-e tear down! The model 3 and model y tear downs were awesome to watch.
Coming next week!
@@MunroLive We love that you are providing us with content that can be seen nowhere else, Sandy! You tell it like it is, if the Mach E is crap or the best that you’ve seen, you will tell us. I am glad that everything does not have to be done in secret and it seems like your business has really picked up as we are coming out of COVID-19 in the USA. Thank you so much, Sandy Munro!
@@MunroLive shouting this out here because you might not see the comment chain about it...
Instead of selling your parts for scrap, give/sell them to trade school / college auto tech programs! They could become training aids / props, which I think would cut your liability (assuming it is based on the risk of re-use).
Check out the WeberAuto UA-cam channel, they are a state school auto tech program that produces great videos explaining EV drivetrains and other systems, targeted at new / learning mechanics... I imagine they would drool over a uhaul full of parts and pieces to tear into!
This car was perfect for Europe, only problem is GM decided to leave Europe, oh dear!
In europe its called the opel ampera e
In Europe it’s called the “what the fuck are you talking about”
@@craigduncan4826 well gm left europe but they still wanted to sell the bolt. They ended up letting opel selling the car as the ampera.
Munro says a couple of times "because they used an existing platform" in referring to the design of the Bolt EV. I was under the impression that it was a newly designed electric car that was not based on an existing vehicle. What platform/vehicle is the Bolt EV based on?
GM Daewoo Matiz (aka Chevy Spark)
Agreed, I thought it was the BEV2 platform.
@@randomgoogler1398 How can they be the same platform when the Bolt is longer, wider, taller, and has a longer wheelbase than the Spark?
The Spark had a ~20kWh battery while the Bolt has a ~60kWh one. The Spark ~50 mile range. The Bolt ~250 mile range.
The doors, panels, hood, windows, windshield, roof bars, and so on were all different. The frame is different.
Heck, even the bolt pattern on the wheels is different between the Bolt and Spark.
What's the same? How do you define "same platform"?
@@Jcewazhere Check Wikipedia for BEV2. They are still using it and designing new cars to use it. Saving money to GM is way more important than making a better product.
@@loopie007 First off "Saving money to GM is way more important than making a better product." is the same for almost every company. Corporations only motivation is profit, which is bad for humanity in general.
Secondly from the 'General Motors BEV2 Platform' page: "In 2016, Chevrolet unveiled a production version of the Bolt, the first vehicle on BEV2... This vehicle is the first to be underpinned by BEV2"
That's exactly the opposite of it being on the same platform as the Spark. Did you even read the page?
Giving you the biggest benefit of doubt possible maybe you misread "the Bolt's model codes began with G2, suggesting influence of these vehicles upon it."
Quote "Influence", not the same platform.
You have quite the apt name, you are kinda loopy.
Secret project for improvements- I hope he is referring to the Aptera.
When Sandy says "they did a pretty good job" you know there's going to be a room full of engineers celebrating as soon as they hear it.
Maybe Sandy forgot the Bolt was on the market before the Model 3...
No, and Tesla didn't copy the Bolt either, they went their own way. Little reason why GM couldn't have greatly improved their EVs to make them more competitive and more appealing. Seems like they just had no ambition and no vision until right about now when Tesla has taken over the market.
@@2nd3rd1st yeah, Tesla has taken over the market all right, that’s why GM is reporting the highest profits in the history of the company, the last 3 quarters, during a pandemic, and with supply problems, meanwhile tesla barely makes 1 to 2% net profit, absolutely anemic! Anyway, GM was first with an affordable electric car, on the market a full year before the model three was available to the public. Admittedly, the model three is a more compelling vehicle,, but it was late
@@dmitchellhomes Ummm you mean LG right? lol
@@leeramer171 last I checked, LG has never built a body, Chassis, suspension, interior, etc... LG did off of GM’s plans and design, build the battery pack, the drive unit, power electronics, and infotainment, but that’s not building the car. When you look at Tesla struggles, it’s always the components of the car, not the drive units or electronics for the most part. That’s because building cars is hard, At least for Rookies. GM was smart, they set up the supply chain, so they did not absorb massive losses the way that Tesla did when they launched the model three, Tesla still has $4 billion I’ve retained losses on their balance sheet, from the S, X, and 3. The only reason Tesla is still in business, is because they’ve gone back and borrowed more and more money from the shareholders, and bondholders, and lenders, but if they had to self finance like GM does, they would be long gone already!
@@dmitchellhomes Excellent points. GM still sucks as a company though. They have no problem poisoning the environment and those around them for a buck. They also don't believe in Fair Trade and competition. The whole Tesla can't sell their cars because it has to go through a dealership. ROFLMAO: this shows the corruption of the US Capitalistic mindset to it's fullest. Also remind me of who went Bankrupt again and whose money bailed out these A-Holes?
Of course I agree with you they are smart to a point. They bilked tax payers money for all they are worth.
I bought a used 2019 Bolt and absolutely love it. My previous cars were a NA Miata and. mk5 GTI so fun to drive is high on my priorities. Regardless of the funky engineering, the proof is in the pudding that they pulled it off. Sales were actually really good until the whole battery thing. They could not catch the Model 3 in the later years but they definitely kept up really well.
“And some that will be done in secret...” so great to see at least some manufacturers waking up and seeking much needed expert advise:) way to go Munro Team!!!!
The bin man is going to have some new alloys on his car next week ;)
Sandy is wrong. My model S does have fuses, pretty similar to the ones he showed here in the Bolt. Google “Tesla fuse box” to see for yourself.
How odd
He means on the model 3.
DENIS - go check out a 2021 Model S PLAID - ZERO fuses.
I have a 2017 and no regrets!!
Thank you
You're welcome
I just picked up my second Bolt, a 2023 loaded premier! Love every inch if it so not dead yet dumb ass!
My LG washer from 2006 has... regenerative braking on the drum. I can almost not believe it's 15 years old!
in the 1980's we had a KENMORE washer for 25+ years.
And the concrete filled plastic counterweight bolted on the back of the drum?
Too bad to hear about scrapping the Bolt, but it's an understandable policy. I have a Bolt EV LT and love the efficiency!
Sandy If you can part with the rims and tires I'll pay for shipping! Send me a DM...
Nice, thanks.
MY Bolt IS a great car. Efficient and reliable.. No repairs or maintenance in nearly 2 years. Consumer Reports likes them and rates them better than the unreliable Teslas.
See...there you go.
Fascinating
I should take a drink every time he says “Tesla”
Might I suggest a Tesla Tequila?
Which existing platform is the bolt made on?
Did he say that the Bolt has been "Killed"? Why are there TWO new Bolt models for 2022? Why is he trashing the car and repeat "In its day"? The car is a big hit in this country RIGHT NOW!
Love my mach e can't wait for the teardown
Bolt may have a fuse box Tesla doesn't have, it may have more cable than Tesla. It is FAR FAR more reliable and allow me to say, better energy efficient than Model3. I have Bolt and Model 3. I have first hand experience. I am on my 2nd Bolt already (lease) since 2017, Zero problem in 3-1/2 years. My 2019 model 3. many times (>5 times) to service center. Sentry mode is a trashy battery drainer, it drains more than 10-15 miles a night parking away from home. And Bolt is quieter on HW.
Sandy please do a video on the Renault Kwid. I saw it in your studio background somewhere in the past. Cheers from india. You are an inspiration!!
we dont sell RENULT in America , its banned.
talked to 5 Uber drivers with Bolts - all said $7 full charge they Liked
The car is extremely popular with Rideshare drivers. Because it's very easy to get in and out of the back seat and it's got decent cargo good visibility good turning radius decent power all the things you want in a good daily driver car. Try getting in and out of the backseat of a model 3. You got to fold yourself in half to duck down low enough to get your head under the damn roof. I'll never understand why manufacturers build cars that don't fit people in the back.
It's a shame Chevy didn't work a little harder on seats and interior and advertising. I think they could have sold this car much better than they did sometimes I think it's like the ev1 and they really were hoping it wasn't successful because they knew they were going to lose money on every single car they built.
And then they go ahead and build the 2022 model and don't listen to anybody about the terrible seats and still have terrible seats. You go to the trouble to completely redesign the interior and exterior and don't concentrate on the one thing everybody complained about the seats. Does make you wonder what the hell's going on in their design department
I use mine for Uber, it’s fantastic and my passengers love it. It’s part if the reason I have a 4.99 star rating and get tips for answering all their questions about the car 😅
I can’t wait to see the Mach-E tear down! I’m curious what your guys’ budget is like when selecting a Model for these EV’s, but I hope the other upcoming products you guys will tear down will be the refreshed Model S. I’m curious about the build on those cars since you guys never done one before. The other would I would like to see would be the Chevy Bolt/EUV (particularly the EUV since it’s a newer version crossover of the Bolt and more attractive looking). Though I wouldn’t mind seeing the improvements compared to the previous gen model of the Bolt.
The volt should have been made a full ev
AGREE, but no space for Battery pack.
@@markplott4820 Yup T-shape doesn't give sufficient volume.
@@danwat1234 - Exactly , see Polestar2
No thanks. I have a 12' Volt because I'm not an "all in" kind of guy when it comes to electric. I like having the freedom of both worlds. It's been an excellent car that saves me TONS of money with average 77 mpg lifetime and like it just the way it is.
I'm the second owner of a 2017 Chevy Bolt. I bought it with 54,740 miles on it on July 17th, 2021. It presently has 70,700 miles on it. I'm a high mileage person.
There have been only two major issues with the car.
1) poor quality seats
2) I got trapped in flooding and had to drive a lot through flood waters from hurricane Ida. The plastic splash guard is crap as are its flimsy holders and it broke where I believe I would have been fine with a Tesla Model 3.
But hey, almost 16,000 of my miles on the car and it has been a very efficient ride. And my initial or CapEx costs was $19,000 used.
I moved from a 2013 Honda Pilot to this car and I'm saving much more than the car payment every month.
And, yes, it's an ugly little car. But manufacturing issues aside - it's a good car.
Good stuff, Sandy! Looking forward to the Mach E!
Coming soon!
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Re the small die cast parts- no one was willing to invest in bigger die casting capacity for a small volume product (or they couldn’t buy the capacity in already committed supplier schedules)
Thank you sadly no Bolts hear in Wales but good to learn about it fwd runaround bit like our old Renault Zoe. We have a i3 33kw love it fun to to drive and elements of the construction are amazing, as for looks OK a bit of a ugly duckling but it's grown on me and when sitting in it cannot see out side 😊 We are just getting our second one i3 a i3s 42kw TESLA 3 BRILLIANT BUT GETTING BIT COMMON 😂
i3 will always be scarce. it's different wish it was more,, Aerodynamic. Thank you from Buzz Knapp-Fisher
I've heard that if you pull fuse 34 that (amazingly annoying and whiny) pedestrian warning system turns off.
Of course I would never pull that fuse, if you happened to hit somebody with it pulled you'd be liable for a whole lot more.
Real talk I wish there were a way to change the noise it makes rather than just turn it off or let it whine.
I still think the i3 is beautiful:)
It is. Some people just have a backwards sense of style. To each their own I guess.
You're about the ONLY one. Sales numbers say otherwise.
Yep, it does have an interesting and unique style. BMW designed it that way so that it would not appeal to their typical customer that likes the 3 series, 5 series, etc. That way the i3 would NOT cannibalize their existing sales.
Some colors definitely look more attractive than others, like the dark grey metallic
@@alexnutcasio936 it’s sold over 200,000 which is better than most EV models until recently. I think Tesla’s, Nissan Leaf, and Renault zoe were the only ones that sold more.
I’d buy those rims and tires from ya. I’m local!
If you haven't done something similar in another video please consider showing us a pile of parts from the pre-casted Tesla 3 or Y and the cast Y rear end. Hundreds (including bolts and rivets) spread out in one spot with the single cast piece along side. Maybe you have those stamped parts in a bin that you could dump out for a quick display.
And think about taking it to another level. A video of a stamping machine, the process of getting parts from there to assembly, and a back of envelope comparison of the floor space used by the stamping and casting approaches.
I've watched some videos online of stamping auto parts. I suspect many of your viewers don't fully recognize the difference in Tesla's approach.
Still baffles me how loudly the media was screaming that this car would dominate the Tesla Model 3.
Chevy spend millions and millions each year advertising their products with these media.
From a practical standpoint, it was a great vehicle that beat the Model 3 to market and since it was a long time from release until Tesla made a price competitive basic model available, for a good while the Bolt was the only affordable EV with acceptable range. But it looks like a tiny minivan and is completely uncool, while Tesla has an aura that people will stretch their budget for. My dad had never bought a new car in his life ("let some other fool eat the depreciation") and was an EV skeptic, but I conceived him to buy one when it came out, by showing him that with it's low running costs, the sum of the monthly payments and running costs would still be noticably less than just the gas for his long commute(he lives in British Columbia, with cheap electricity and expensive gas). But people making rational and unemotional car purchases are strictly in the minority.
Just one more reason to not believe the BS from today's media. No ethics, no morals, all sheep!
@@phatmaus re: "while Tesla has an aura that people will stretch their budget for" close but lets be clear, the Tesla is an INANIMATE OBJECT so it doesn't have an "aura" (ok maybe a magnetic field) no, what Tesla buyers/owners simply have is an EGO that then moves/motivates these people to stretch their budget for. yeah, this is the "aura" that you speak of. the bulk of Tesla shoppers (not all) are desperate to ASSOCIATE themselves with the FAME, NOTORIETY of Elon Musk and the Tesla brand. it's the classic folly of Mankind's tendency towards "Idol Worship" that we've been tragically reading about in the History books for hundreds of years.
Who said that, ever?
... and yet it's lighter than a model 3. Great value, $10,000 more is out of the question. I've grown to love the look of the BMW i3, at least it's not BORING!
I own a bolt, and i3, a Fiat 500e, all great cars in their own way.
Wow this shows how engineers can come up with something great and then possibly not be able to push it to its limit due to external factors the die-castings are cool
I have a 2017 Bolt. Great car. Also have a Model Y. Better car. I pulled the rear seats out of the Bolt and it's now a service vehicle for my business.
I am waiting to see if the Bolts are great but the Bolt EUV is a better offering for cabin size.
Waiting on the EUV myself.
In Europe, the Bolt was waaaay too expensive to buy. And journalists did not like the harsh ride and uncomfy chairs on top of that.
Sandy, out of curiosity, what are the litigation reasons? I mean: scrap yards sell parts all the time, mostly from vehicles that have been damaged in an accident. Do they have special exemptions that protect them from the lawyers?
It's a great question and i'd like to hear the answer, but i suspect it's complicated and nuanced and a but to much legal for this channel.
Having said that, legal, is a big part of engineering and its probably not really off topic. Maybe a *_Munro's Law_* channel or spoof therof.
If Clients or GM doesn't like what he do, yeah he'll get sues. You can sue anyone for any reasons as long as you've money to pay for lawsuit. That's why those f****** lawyer is so rich.
scrap yards aren't the problem, an overly litigious society filled with "suers" (looking for a pay day) are the problem. unfortunately you are not looking at the issue close enough/deep enough, but see, the answer was staring you in the face the whole time.
Perhaps one of the used parts sellers would buy Munro's cast outs and resell under their liability coverage. Have the parts seller sign a release of liability.
Hate to see good stuff get melted down if it still has some use.
Having worked for a scrap metal company I can tell you there are sales contracts that transfer title and obligate the scrapping company to destroy the material being sold to them. Not on all scrap but scrap that might have proprietary, legal or secret reasons. Just think of the companies that receive the gun "buy backs" the police have now and then. Do you think there are not legal and monetary penalties in place for destruction? Cars would have the same terms for legal reasons.
Why did Chevy need LG to handle all the electrics? Lots of overlap there with the Volt. Also is it odd that Sandy is talking about a currently-available car in the past tense?
Hey @Sandy. Great video as usual. Were these issues improved in the new 2022 Bolt EV and EUV? To what extent? ...
The specs are nearly the same
@@NicholasLittlejohn Agreed, but want to know if it's built the same
Thanks a lot for the wonderful contents. I have a question. What is the difference between a right hand drive( RHD) car and left hand drive (LHD) car in manufacturing and design?
What would be the cost imposed to the companies to change the manufacturing from LHD to RHD? How many cars needs to be produce to make manufacturing RHD cars for a company?
For instance only 5% of the cyber truck pre-orders are for RHD cyber trucks. Do you thing this will be enough for Tesla to manufacture RHD cars?
The bolt is so cute, I got a leaf on sale though
Yup...a lot of stuff to scrap, and more is coming...enjoy!
(Emphatically chanting)
Mach E!
Mach E!
Mach E!
FUD Muck-e