@@alucard2010 lmao you’re real fun huh? It’s quite obvious how emotional sounding he was (you were?) and you’re asking for verifiable evidence? How about possessing ears and playing it back?
Hey, theists who steal terms and use them incorrectly - a "Gish Gallop" is a quick bunch of baseless assertions thrown out one after another with the goal of smuggling in a bunch of incorrect points before the other person can refute them so you can walk away saying, "those atheists had no answers for me." It's named after Creationist Duane Gish who used this annoying technique online back in the day. It is *not* correct to apply the term when someone is saying, "you are wrong and here is why, reason 1, reason 2, reason 3, etc." It's obnoxious when you use it wrong, much like when CHUDS call everything they don't like "woke" or "socialism."
Others to add to the list of “terms christians incorrectly use to sound smart”: -argument from authority: dear christians, saying “evolution by natural selection is the scientific consensus” isn’t an argument from authority. An argument from authority is when you say something is true BECAUSE an authority says it. -ad hominem: dear christians, someone calling you stupid isn’t an ad hominem if you actually are acting stupid. An ad hominem fallacy is when you say “your argument is wrong because you’re ugly”. Please add to this list, I’m sure there are many more!
It’s super annoying. They love to yell, “ad hominem” when their feelings are hurt when you mock their god and not them, and they love to call out “straw man” even when the hosts on the show often ask if they’ve described what it is the caller believes correctly.
Jimmy and the line crew needs to put you on payroll! You're the first thing I look for when I open a video! Thank you so much for the effort you put into this channel!
But of course they don't accept special pleading from anyone else in defence of a different faith. They are wholly opposed to special pleading for every other religion.
Alfred was excellent at telling us about the context and how to interpret biblical passages that he was unaware existed until Matt introduced him to them.
Not only that, he knows that the bible sometimes says stuff that is meant to be taken differently but has no idea where or how to determine which ones. It's fascinating how he claims to know stuff without knowing what it is that he knows about or how it works.
I'm pretty sure it is the caller who was banned as John. A filth of a person who keeps calling the Line, to troll. Probably because the hosts remind him of his neglecting parents who did not give him enough attention as a child
I feel like Alfred is being 100% honest and genuine with that statement. The cognitive dissonance that can be found in a lot of religious followers can be some of the strongest you'll ever come across...
I did get kind of put off by the way that call started, on both sides: the message put in the call screen was clearly to get a reaction, but then when F/M both said “yes we are, and?” neither of them actually let the guy respond for more than a couple of words before going off about how he wasn’t challenging them. He literally got out like three words before the hosts went long on him.
@@magicrectangleEntchuck was a known quantity by this point. The knives are out for him after he’s made several tr ans phobic calls. He’s definitely getting to the point of getting banned, which takes a lot.
Alfred might be one of the most annoying callers I've heard on this show, and I've been listening a long time. "Do you think you're entitled to my answer?" WTF dude. Get a grip.
I love Matt's analogy about proving someone's handedness. As a former baseball player, I am FAR more comfortable catching things with my left hand, but I'm absolutely right handed. Throwing, writing, most things I'm far more comfortable doing them with my right hand instead of left, but even then it's not absolute. In addition to catching, I'm far more comfortable driving with my left hand solely than my right hand solely. Why? Because I grew up learning how to drive on a manual transmission car, so that became natural to me. My long winded point being: his analogy is great because by certain appearances, I would look left handed to some people, despite my knowing and experiencing being right handed.
I'm very right handed/footed but I skateboarder lefty and couldn't righty at all. Can't throw left at all but could shoot right and left almost equally in hockey. Weird.
Ummmmm.... if you catch with your left hand, of COURSE you throw with your right hand. To a baseball player, that should be obvious! Your post makes no sense. Did you read it? Writing and "most things" right-handed" would, of course, come more naturally. Because that's the definition of right-handedness! It would be more interesting if you preferred throwing right-handed, and writing left-handed. Your long winded point is that you are right-handed. So what?
@@markpappas7264 You wrote a whole long winded post about how you not only lack comprehension skills, but are also a dick to others about it? Who pissed in your cornflakes kid?
Ive been watching Matt on and off on youtube for over 16 years. I love how he never lets anyone get away from answering a question. He has always been consistent about "I don't know" being an acceptable answer. A lot of theists do not grasp that concept
Agreed. One of the things about christian culture is that it makes even the tiniest mistake or misunderstanding eternally punishable by a capricious and cruel sky tyrant. When you live like that, and when the people in power around you in the christian community feel entitled in mimicking tyrant-god behaviors, it can make asking any questions and getting them wrong feel world-ending. I like that there's potential for callers to come out of these conversations with the epiphany like, "Oh. For some reason, I'm not in a basement on fire. I can _rewatch_ this call, and think about it, and figure out why I'm wrong, and then maybe start asking better, more honest questions now, that might put me on a correct path... and then, I can have better understanding." But many of them just won't get there unless they're made to see *exactly* the point where their reasoning is getting stuck, or where their defense mechanisms are getting triggered, and Matt's way of sticking to the question is good for that.
Omg Alfred is so memeable. "Are you a democracy person?" "I love democracy, I love the Republic." "Are you a democracy person?" "I don't think I should have to answer that." "I don't know. That sounds pretty treasonous to me. FOR DEMOCRACY!"
Alfred seems more like a vibes guy than a principles guy. So, he probably feels like he likes our system of government when he feels like things are going his way. Otherwise, there should be fundamental changes to the system.
Chuck 2:55:28 claimed that he wanted Forrest’s input as a biologist. But has spent the entire time either ignoring or re-rationalising everything he’s been told in order to remain steadfast in his preconceived position.
Its because chuck is smarter than a biologist, he wanted to educate Forrest with all the knowledge he gathered from reddits filled with other non-educated people
Matt, as much as i enjoy all of them, i wish you wouldn't do shows when seriously in pain. The passion and drive you bring to the table are admirable, it's just that i believe, you're unnecessarily harming yourself. The planet needs a well-rested and comfortable Matt Dillahunty. You 100% deserve that, man. Best wishes from Germany. Get well soon and don't forget to be kind to yourself!
Chuck is a troll. Forrest has literally screen shared university textbooks, cited specific organizations and their studies, etc… and Chuck is still pretending that he hasn’t heard an argument against his position yet. He’s committed to not accepting evidence or changing his mind. Arguing with someone like that is a waste of time. Forrest literally has a video addressing the “What is a Woman?” question where he goes into the definitions in detail. Chuck claims to have watched all of Forrest’s videos, yet he’s still here asking the question. He’s not actually listening or accepting what’s being said.
When Forrest screen shared university textbooks and cited specific organizations and those studies... did the substance of what was said serve as a valid & sound argument in regard to what's in contention?
@@lightbeforethetunnel Do you really think it's worth the effort of entertaining the idea that a professional science educator and biologist went full-politician rather than just obliterate chuck all over again like he did live on air?
I find that the people who say they love science and are desperately searching for answers that are on the first page of google even post-AI tend to turn out to not be the most honest
Yep it was just over and over again: A: I know (claim) TL: How do you know/differentiate? A: I don't have all the Answers! No, Alfred, you don't have any answers. The few times you actually gave one, they were demonstrably false.
To the theists who keep repeating "you're doing a Gish Gallop!", you are using a term you do not understand, you just think that because you've heard it used against you and you can't defend against it, it's some kind of gotcha and you can throw it back when you don't have an argument and it works. It doesn't. Listing reasons why what you're saying is wrong is not a Gish Gallop. This is how Gish Gallop works (quoting from Wikipedia): "the galloper confronts an opponent with a [b]rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations and outright lies, making it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of the debate.[/b] Each point raised by the Gish galloper takes considerably longer to refute than to assert. [b]The technique wastes an opponent's time[/b] and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved, or if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics."
@@33legionno it’s funny how many excuses theists make for the book of immortality. There was no Gish Gallup in the sense that what Forrest was saying was true. It’s the equivalent of me saying to someone 1+1=2 forty times in a row and the person saying you are Gish Galloping me
@@christianblevins1870 More to the point it would be like you saying 1+1=2 and 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5=2 and so on in response to someone saying that two ones equal 3 or 4 or 5 or whatever they _believe_ in and specially if you do it with other numbers (that would also equal 2, but not to them)...
@@33legion You said OP was wrong BEFORE you saw the clip they referenced? Seriously? I'm glad to see you're honest and apologised, that shows integrity so no disrespect from me, but that just seems very backwards
I've learned the ones calling to defend slavery are some of the biggest trainwrecks. They always try to defend a position that doesn't exist in the bible. Oh, and that "joke" was an abomination.
How do you define "more", under what abstract metaphysical framework is the concept of 'more' based, and if it isn't based on the judeo-christian god then why do waffles taste so good? Checkmate atheists!
Look, I'm ready to besmirch the terrible reputation of Catholics as much as the next person... ....I won't saddle them with the lue that any one would find Alfred's jokes funny.
Ikr? Also, if it were a joke that Catholics would find funny based on the boring nature of Leviticus, why wouldn't other versions of Christianity which also include Leviticus in their Bible find it equally funny? I grew up pentecostal (no longer believe), and I got his "joke" right away. I just didn't find it funny.
@@nicked_fenyx Well, I know nothing about leviticus, I was only taking a jab at his refusal to answer the questions-As Matt said he's been waiting 20 years for an answer.
This is one of the main things that had helped me break out of that religious mindset I had... getting tired to always contort my brain in order to rationalize it and justify it all to myself, atrocious acts depicted in the bible that I had to reconcile with my beliefs of that all powerful but mostly "loving" god. I had to self-delude as I was tought to pratice and accept, all that special pleading for actions from that god I had believed in, that pale to the acts and behavior of the most sadistic, most morally bankrupt individual who's ever walked the face of the planet, yet are explained away from all those vile depictions of events claimed to supposedly be "inspirational" in that archaic book... For that Alfred guy, to have that level of mental gymnastics is beyond embarrassing.
Chandler denying that God lied after Forrest read the verse showing that God did indeed lie is hilariously close to the "It's not my wallet" scene with Patrick and Man Ray from Spongebob.
@@BaronVonQuiply Yeah the meme template that is used is basically the whole scene, key frame by key frame. So if you have seen someone using the template on reddit, twitter, or wherever you find your memes, you've basically seen the scene from Spongebob.
@@hellboyhowdy I'm not 100% sure, but the original Attack Helicopter guy's name was Chuck (at least that was what he gave) and for the short time he was on, he did the exact same BUT CHROMOSOMES and WHAT IS A WOMAN thing. The voice sounds familiar too. (on the other hand these are basically the two things they all start from - and always get back to, since they don't even understand those)
@@hellboyhowdy Yes he is. same opinions call after call with the same stupid reasonings... "I like science" while he denies science when it doesn't fit his agenda.
He said I bet "no one can beat me in a debate "while sounding like a little snotty boy who didn't pass biology. Where do these people get the audacity?
Alfred: "You are democracy people, right?" Hosts: "Weird way to phrase this, but yes. Are you?" Alfred: "What makes you think you are entitled to an answer?!" Wtf? *You* brought up a question on *their* show and are surprised, shooketh even, they ask you back? I mean, even if you weren't on their show, this is a completely normal path of a conversation. If you can't grapple with a question, maybe don't ask others? What a deeply disturbing caller.
@@33legion it's a very common figure of speech since the 70s, iirc. It's even present in a couple monty python sketches from back in the day. At this point in time, it's half a century old. It's more likely your mother uses it, than a highschooler.
Chandler is the living proof, how simple people are kept by their priests. They are also not allowed to ask questions like this, because the priest does not know how to answer this.
Matt, could there be a correlation between intelligence and the certainty with which certain people make stupid statements that they are convinced of, even though science gives a completely different explanation?
The one thing that annoys me most is the whole "love thy neighbor" being used to mean "love everyone" and not "love the people like you who live near you" The canaanites weren't neighbors. People from africa with different skin tones weren't neighbors. Even today different religions aren't considered neighbors, else there'd be so much love for atheists and muslims and such, and not just love for and by christians. So every time i hear "love thy neighbor" i really want to ask "and who is your neighbor and who is not your neighbor"
@ It’s not that it’s impossible for the Bible humpers to see. It’s that they need to believe love thy neighbor means to love everyone because love the people in your neighborhood and screw the rest proves their god isn’t as kind and loving as they want to believe he is.
Hey Chuck, the entire field of Psychology is all about people saying they feel things. Unless you want to get rid of every single psychological diagnosis of all time, then you cant dismiss the psychology behind gender dysphoria.
The entire field of Psychology is about behavior actually. Yes, people "saying they feel things" is a part of that, but so is cognition, perception, intelligence and much more.
Beautiful Mr Forrest Valkai, you, after Moises, said “these conversations make me a better thinker “ thankyou, I feel exactly the same way about this show. You’re a legend maybe only in my mind!
“Chuck” is still butt hurt from the last call with Forrest where he was utterly destroyed on his dumbass “attack helicopter” crap. He’s a troll who,likes the sound of his own voice.
Oh! Was that Chuck? I absolutely remember that! And I love Forrest so much for doing what he did there and everything he said! I didn't realize this was the same person.
I listened to your show and I thought to myself, "Gee, Matt's getting grumpy in his old age". Then I listened more closely to the callers and, "Nah, its justified."
I don't think he's a troll, I don't think he's intelligent enough to be a troll. He struck me as someone who hasn't studied any biology since he was in his early teens and has come away with the misunderstanding that just because we like to broadly characterise things and put them into boxes to stop our brain hurting, those boxes don't exist and all biology is a spectrum.
Everyday Matt is an engaging, patient, passionate teacher. Matt, in pain, is all of those things and so,so much more. Look on his works, ye mighty! Here was a man.
Describing Matt Dillahunty as patient is stretching it. I mean, the guy is famous for how often he hangs up on callers in a fit of rage. It would be like a Presup Christian claiming Darth Dawkins is patient. It's equivalent, if you remove any bias (which many struggle with doing, so I doubt this will be a popular comment but I'm fine with that)
I can imagine that one's patience would wear quite thin when faced with the same. fucking. bullshit for 20 years. I'm not even talking about stupid arguments. Some of these callers are so rude and refuse to listen to logic or answer a simple question or wait till it's their turn to speak. I would've rage quit loooong ago.
@@lightbeforethetunnel"give aman a reputation as an early riser, that man can sleep til noon"- mark Twain You are kinda misrepresenting Matt, he does not hang up that often, you are not showing that he is not patient just that he hangs up, generally when he does hang up he has patiently explained to people multiple times why they are wrong, and they refuse to answer multiple times or are completely dishonest, hang ups are a non sequitur for his level of patience
Chuck, the main difference between transphobia and theistohobia/godphobia is that when I say I'm a woman, I'm only speaking to my internal reality. When you say that you feel that God exists, you are making a claim about the fundamental nature of reality. Furthermore, when you say you believe in God, I believe that you believe in God.
@@mr-nf5sz It's because people who ask that question out of nowhere like that tend to want to ignore any and all nuance in their quest for an overly simplistic definition. It's pretty obvious when we bring up exceptions like people with various intersex conditions (which Forrest did) and the simple definition gets really convoluted. One example Forrest brought up was someone with female reproductive organs, female secondary characteristics, has female on their birth certificate, and lives as a woman, but has XY chromosomes, which the caller defined as a man.
PLEASE record Chucks debate with Matt and show it here!! xxx I can hear the emotion in Matts voice at the end and I agree with him soo much - trans people are people, just trying to fight their way through a life that is so much harder than mine and it shouldn't be. They don't make it hard, other people do and I will try my hardest to make trans lives easier and more comfortable. xx
oh! Did I fail to mention another, engaging, passionate teacher? Forest Balkai, so patient.! These two guys' whole stance to the world got me to join the channel tonight. They showed up.They did the work. They engaged, they taught, patiently and with great understanding. They are my heroes.
Transphobes don’t actually care about the science. They just want to claim their own ignorance and bigotry is the actual science despite not being based in actual science.
I've seen people swing back and forth with no concern for policy but rather vote for who they think is going to win anyway, and wait until after an election to put stickers on their car, not because of outcome but purely because they want to be seen as "being on the winning side"
The Bible says God is "unchanging" or words to that effect over 100 times. The same today as He was yesterday and will be tomorrow. But as soon as we point out something inconvenient like His explicit approval of slavery, God has has suddenly changed His mind. No Alfred you dont get to do that.
Could we have a cage match between Rob and Alfred and whoever loses gets banned and whoever wins gets to go on EndBoss but then the “end boss” is just the recently-banned-loser and after the debate they both get slimed Nickelodeon style?
Chuck: have you had your own chromosomes tested? How do you know if you're a man or a woman, by your definition of those terms? What about people in your life? Are you gonna call them men, women, sons, daughters, uncles, without knowing their chromosomes and then completely redefining who they are to you once there's a test conducted? Would you treat your daughter like a son when everything about her except a chromosome test screams female and she has always been a daughter to you?
Don't attribute to malice what might be explained by stupidity. I find it hard to believe that there was some underlying scheme behind his squirming. I just think he was a charmless coward.
@44:40 I have often wondered about the 'ice' explanation. For someone living in a climate where ice never naturally forms, the notion that someone could walk upon solidified (frozen) water would be rather mind-blowing.
“You have to love your neighbor as yourself.” And what about the people outside your neighborhood? Like the dark-skinned people in Africa 200 years ago??
Alfred, getting Forrest to become frustrated with you is an achievement. He is a bundle of joy, unlike Matt who is a lot less patient now adays.. 😅 (also, hi Matt, been watching you for over a decade now.)
Basically this god of the Bible seems cruel to me and I don’t think that Jesus if there was one would have identified himself with all that and referred to something else.
You can tell Forrest and his “never had a bad day” routine are starting to test Matt’s patience. Completely understandable. Forrest lets too many people off the hook by being a SAP. Tighten up.
Two missionaries knock on a door very early one morning. A guy comes to the door, takes one look and says "I'm not buying anything" and begins to close the door _"Oh, we're not selling anything today, sir. The commandments in this book are given freely"_ "In that case I'll take 613", says Moses
Chuck saying, " You guys are so EMOTIONAL!" while he was choking back angry tears was the highlight of my day
Bro nonstop whines as well. Just another stupid tactic of a stupid person.
Can you back up that claim with objective verifiable evidence
@@alucard2010 lmao you’re real fun huh? It’s quite obvious how emotional sounding he was (you were?) and you’re asking for verifiable evidence? How about possessing ears and playing it back?
@@ardiberen if someone sounds emotional does that mean that person is? 🙄. Lots of assumptions which you are supposed to avoid.
@ardiberen how does you asking me if I am real fun have to do with the argument?🤡
Hey, theists who steal terms and use them incorrectly - a "Gish Gallop" is a quick bunch of baseless assertions thrown out one after another with the goal of smuggling in a bunch of incorrect points before the other person can refute them so you can walk away saying, "those atheists had no answers for me." It's named after Creationist Duane Gish who used this annoying technique online back in the day. It is *not* correct to apply the term when someone is saying, "you are wrong and here is why, reason 1, reason 2, reason 3, etc." It's obnoxious when you use it wrong, much like when CHUDS call everything they don't like "woke" or "socialism."
Great explanation!
Others to add to the list of “terms christians incorrectly use to sound smart”:
-argument from authority: dear christians, saying “evolution by natural selection is the scientific consensus” isn’t an argument from authority. An argument from authority is when you say something is true BECAUSE an authority says it.
-ad hominem: dear christians, someone calling you stupid isn’t an ad hominem if you actually are acting stupid. An ad hominem fallacy is when you say “your argument is wrong because you’re ugly”.
Please add to this list, I’m sure there are many more!
It’s super annoying. They love to yell, “ad hominem” when their feelings are hurt when you mock their god and not them, and they love to call out “straw man” even when the hosts on the show often ask if they’ve described what it is the caller believes correctly.
It’s named after a real person?? I had no idea!
Christians wouldn't exist if they didn't misunderstand and misinterpret so many things.
Hope everyone has a wonderful week
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Ever so much gratitude for you putting this together for us.
Jimmy and the line crew needs to put you on payroll! You're the first thing I look for when I open a video! Thank you so much for the effort you put into this channel!
"Special Pleading is not a problem when it comes to the Bible" is now my favorite quote from the show.
That was amazing. Using special pleading to excuse special pleading to excuse a circular argument. 🤯
its a special case you see!
Because it's not just a book, it's the literal word of god. Allegedly.
@@zaphodrahja so are 100 other books, that changes nothing.
But of course they don't accept special pleading from anyone else in defence of a different faith. They are wholly opposed to special pleading for every other religion.
Alfred was excellent at telling us about the context and how to interpret biblical passages that he was unaware existed until Matt introduced him to them.
Nail meets head 😂
He even says that Matt knows the Bible more than he does in the beginning of the call
Not only that, he knows that the bible sometimes says stuff that is meant to be taken differently but has no idea where or how to determine which ones.
It's fascinating how he claims to know stuff without knowing what it is that he knows about or how it works.
The Bible is correctly interprted by the Church that Jesus Christ established, that is, the Catholic Church.
Well said!!!
Alfred: you keep taking slavery out of context
Matt: what’s the context that makes slavery okay?
Alfred: there is no context
Matt: 🤬
I'm pretty sure it is the caller who was banned as John. A filth of a person who keeps calling the Line, to troll. Probably because the hosts remind him of his neglecting parents who did not give him enough attention as a child
I feel like Alfred is being 100% honest and genuine with that statement. The cognitive dissonance that can be found in a lot of religious followers can be some of the strongest you'll ever come across...
Pro tip, Alfred: good jokes never include the words "and here's the punchline..."
I laughed so hard when he did that 😂😂
Alfred was the joke, a very lame one, but a joke none the less.
To quote the Joker: "If you have to explain the joke, THERE IS NO JOKE!"
"Don't be weird Alfred".
Also another pro tip. A joke is supposed to have a joke in it
Forrest and Matt, you are absolutely amazing human beings. Thank you for standing up for what's rationally, compassionately, relevant in life!
3:19:18 "YOU GUYS ARE SO EMOTIONAL." says the emotionally unstable caller who had been yelling and reacting the entire call.. yikes
SEVERELY lacking self awareness and humility
I did get kind of put off by the way that call started, on both sides: the message put in the call screen was clearly to get a reaction, but then when F/M both said “yes we are, and?” neither of them actually let the guy respond for more than a couple of words before going off about how he wasn’t challenging them. He literally got out like three words before the hosts went long on him.
@@magicrectangleEntchuck was a known quantity by this point. The knives are out for him after he’s made several tr ans phobic calls. He’s definitely getting to the point of getting banned, which takes a lot.
Alfred might be one of the most annoying callers I've heard on this show, and I've been listening a long time. "Do you think you're entitled to my answer?" WTF dude. Get a grip.
He still didn’t deserve to be threatened with violence by Matt, though. :(
I would have said you called the show, of course I think you should answer the question you are asked
Yeah like chill homie.
He reeks of Reddit...
It’s very libertarian who doesn’t want to admit he’s a libertarian.
I love Matt's analogy about proving someone's handedness. As a former baseball player, I am FAR more comfortable catching things with my left hand, but I'm absolutely right handed. Throwing, writing, most things I'm far more comfortable doing them with my right hand instead of left, but even then it's not absolute. In addition to catching, I'm far more comfortable driving with my left hand solely than my right hand solely. Why? Because I grew up learning how to drive on a manual transmission car, so that became natural to me.
My long winded point being: his analogy is great because by certain appearances, I would look left handed to some people, despite my knowing and experiencing being right handed.
I'm very right handed/footed but I skateboarder lefty and couldn't righty at all. Can't throw left at all but could shoot right and left almost equally in hockey. Weird.
Lol it's almost like humans are complex creatures that don't adhere cleanly into any kind of standard. Astounding!
Ummmmm.... if you catch with your left hand, of COURSE you throw with your right hand. To a baseball player, that should be obvious! Your post makes no sense. Did you read it? Writing and "most things" right-handed" would, of course, come more naturally. Because that's the definition of right-handedness! It would be more interesting if you preferred throwing right-handed, and writing left-handed.
Your long winded point is that you are right-handed. So what?
@markpappas7264 cool. Thanks for letting us know your reading comprehension is poor.
@@markpappas7264 You wrote a whole long winded post about how you not only lack comprehension skills, but are also a dick to others about it? Who pissed in your cornflakes kid?
It's amazing how many people don't know how conversations work.
Ive been watching Matt on and off on youtube for over 16 years. I love how he never lets anyone get away from answering a question. He has always been consistent about "I don't know" being an acceptable answer. A lot of theists do not grasp that concept
Agreed.
One of the things about christian culture is that it makes even the tiniest mistake or misunderstanding eternally punishable by a capricious and cruel sky tyrant.
When you live like that, and when the people in power around you in the christian community feel entitled in mimicking tyrant-god behaviors, it can make asking any questions and getting them wrong feel world-ending.
I like that there's potential for callers to come out of these conversations with the epiphany like, "Oh. For some reason, I'm not in a basement on fire. I can _rewatch_ this call, and think about it, and figure out why I'm wrong, and then maybe start asking better, more honest questions now, that might put me on a correct path... and then, I can have better understanding."
But many of them just won't get there unless they're made to see *exactly* the point where their reasoning is getting stuck, or where their defense mechanisms are getting triggered, and Matt's way of sticking to the question is good for that.
Omg Alfred is so memeable.
"Are you a democracy person?"
"I love democracy, I love the Republic."
"Are you a democracy person?"
"I don't think I should have to answer that."
"I don't know. That sounds pretty treasonous to me. FOR DEMOCRACY!"
Alfred seems more like a vibes guy than a principles guy. So, he probably feels like he likes our system of government when he feels like things are going his way. Otherwise, there should be fundamental changes to the system.
@@loki2240 My guy I was just making fun of him. Got any Democracy meeme's to share?
As an intersex human, i can say, i am not trans although some intereex people can be trans.
I wish I was born intersex, it would have alleviated a lot of my gender dysphoria too
Why would you call Matt about slavery. That's just not going to go well.
Or abortion and trans rights
Because caller who is definitely not John, can't live a week without attention from the wonderful hosts of the Line
They love to get spanked
Narcisistic masochism?
_"I'm gonna get my ass handed to me SO hard, and a hundred thousand people are going to roll their eyes at me!"_
It's because the callers have no idea what is actually in the book they live and believe by.
Chuck 2:55:28 claimed that he wanted Forrest’s input as a biologist.
But has spent the entire time either ignoring or re-rationalising everything he’s been told in order to remain steadfast in his preconceived position.
Its because chuck is smarter than a biologist, he wanted to educate Forrest with all the knowledge he gathered from reddits filled with other non-educated people
Matt, as much as i enjoy all of them, i wish you wouldn't do shows when seriously in pain.
The passion and drive you bring to the table are admirable, it's just that i believe, you're unnecessarily harming yourself.
The planet needs a well-rested and comfortable Matt Dillahunty. You 100% deserve that, man.
Best wishes from Germany. Get well soon and don't forget to be kind to yourself!
Chuck just impatiently waited through your explanations so that he could try again to say what he called in to say. He wasn't listening to you at all.
Chuck is a troll. Forrest has literally screen shared university textbooks, cited specific organizations and their studies, etc… and Chuck is still pretending that he hasn’t heard an argument against his position yet.
He’s committed to not accepting evidence or changing his mind. Arguing with someone like that is a waste of time.
Forrest literally has a video addressing the “What is a Woman?” question where he goes into the definitions in detail. Chuck claims to have watched all of Forrest’s videos, yet he’s still here asking the question.
He’s not actually listening or accepting what’s being said.
Yes, Chuck is a pathetic hateful troll.
When Forrest screen shared university textbooks and cited specific organizations and those studies... did the substance of what was said serve as a valid & sound argument in regard to what's in contention?
@@lightbeforethetunnel Do you really think it's worth the effort of entertaining the idea that a professional science educator and biologist went full-politician rather than just obliterate chuck all over again like he did live on air?
I find that the people who say they love science and are desperately searching for answers that are on the first page of google even post-AI tend to turn out to not be the most honest
Alfred : Claims something
Matt : How do you know that ?
Alfred : I don’t know !
Rinse and repeat
Yep it was just over and over again:
A: I know (claim)
TL: How do you know/differentiate?
A: I don't have all the Answers!
No, Alfred, you don't have any answers. The few times you actually gave one, they were demonstrably false.
I don’t have all the answers! (x1000)
…okay do you have *any* answers?
1:18:08 The reason why callers don't answer the question they're asked is because they KNOW it will contradict their argument.
I wonder if it would be better to ask the question, can you demonstrate that a god could possibly exist?
To the theists who keep repeating "you're doing a Gish Gallop!", you are using a term you do not understand, you just think that because you've heard it used against you and you can't defend against it, it's some kind of gotcha and you can throw it back when you don't have an argument and it works. It doesn't. Listing reasons why what you're saying is wrong is not a Gish Gallop. This is how Gish Gallop works (quoting from Wikipedia): "the galloper confronts an opponent with a [b]rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations and outright lies, making it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of the debate.[/b] Each point raised by the Gish galloper takes considerably longer to refute than to assert. [b]The technique wastes an opponent's time[/b] and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved, or if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics."
And that was what the atheist did in this debate when the theist called him on it.
@@33legionno it’s funny how many excuses theists make for the book of immortality. There was no Gish Gallup in the sense that what Forrest was saying was true. It’s the equivalent of me saying to someone 1+1=2 forty times in a row and the person saying you are Gish Galloping me
@@christianblevins1870 After watching the part where the theist accuses the atheist of gish-galloping, I see your point. My apologies.
@@christianblevins1870 More to the point it would be like you saying 1+1=2 and 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5=2 and so on in response to someone saying that two ones equal 3 or 4 or 5 or whatever they _believe_ in and specially if you do it with other numbers (that would also equal 2, but not to them)...
@@33legion You said OP was wrong BEFORE you saw the clip they referenced? Seriously? I'm glad to see you're honest and apologised, that shows integrity so no disrespect from me, but that just seems very backwards
Damn, Alfred is a trainwreck.
So incredibly dishonest
I've learned the ones calling to defend slavery are some of the biggest trainwrecks. They always try to defend a position that doesn't exist in the bible.
Oh, and that "joke" was an abomination.
So elegantly and accurately summarized.
Partial answer to "How much do you have to drug a Dillahunty to bring him down to the callers level?" The answer is "More."
'More' just short of 'Yes' for some callers.
The answer is Alfred
How do you define "more", under what abstract metaphysical framework is the concept of 'more' based, and if it isn't based on the judeo-christian god then why do waffles taste so good? Checkmate atheists!
@@KeatrithAmakiirLess Benzos Jordan.
Alfred, if you have to explain the joke in detail, it's not a joke. Don't quit your day job.
But that was the *real* joke! Don't you get it? It was a metajoke! He's such a master comedian! 😂😂😂
Chuck...BOOK BOOK BOOK!.. (can we crowd fund a debate for Chuck?)
Matt: "Why do you believe in god?"
Alfred: Something about Jews
Then: "I have a joke for you which only catholics will find funny"
Look, I'm ready to besmirch the terrible reputation of Catholics as much as the next person...
....I won't saddle them with the lue that any one would find Alfred's jokes funny.
Ikr? Also, if it were a joke that Catholics would find funny based on the boring nature of Leviticus, why wouldn't other versions of Christianity which also include Leviticus in their Bible find it equally funny? I grew up pentecostal (no longer believe), and I got his "joke" right away. I just didn't find it funny.
@@theunholinesswithin70 The simple fact is Alfred can't tell a joke to save his life.
@@nicked_fenyx Well, I know nothing about leviticus, I was only taking a jab at his refusal to answer the questions-As Matt said he's been waiting 20 years for an answer.
@@inaneglory7431 Yeah, I don't know what the fuckin deal with that was.
When Jim said god gives him premonitions, I almost spit my drink all over the room.
This is one of the main things that had helped me break out of that religious mindset I had... getting tired to always contort my brain in order to rationalize it and justify it all to myself, atrocious acts depicted in the bible that I had to reconcile with my beliefs of that all powerful but mostly "loving" god. I had to self-delude as I was tought to pratice and accept, all that special pleading for actions from that god I had believed in, that pale to the acts and behavior of the most sadistic, most morally bankrupt individual who's ever walked the face of the planet, yet are explained away from all those vile depictions of events claimed to supposedly be "inspirational" in that archaic book...
For that Alfred guy, to have that level of mental gymnastics is beyond embarrassing.
Chuck must have a humiliation kink 😂
Forrest: "But there's some corn in that turd..." totally killed me! 😅
Forrest is just pure gold all the way around. His friends and family are lucky.
Chandler denying that God lied after Forrest read the verse showing that God did indeed lie is hilariously close to the "It's not my wallet" scene with Patrick and Man Ray from Spongebob.
The internet is weird in that I've never seen that and yet I'm sure I know exactly what you're talking about just through people posting memes
@@BaronVonQuiply Yeah the meme template that is used is basically the whole scene, key frame by key frame. So if you have seen someone using the template on reddit, twitter, or wherever you find your memes, you've basically seen the scene from Spongebob.
It's the Return of Chuck the Attack Helicopter.
These guys still have no new material.
@@simonl1135 This is the helicopter guy? Yeesh. No wonder.
@@hellboyhowdy I'm not 100% sure, but the original Attack Helicopter guy's name was Chuck (at least that was what he gave) and for the short time he was on, he did the exact same BUT CHROMOSOMES and WHAT IS A WOMAN thing. The voice sounds familiar too. (on the other hand these are basically the two things they all start from - and always get back to, since they don't even understand those)
@@hellboyhowdy Yes he is. same opinions call after call with the same stupid reasonings... "I like science" while he denies science when it doesn't fit his agenda.
He said I bet "no one can beat me in a debate "while sounding like a little snotty boy who didn't pass biology. Where do these people get the audacity?
Thank you Matt for setting me free in 2013. Thank you Forrest for making it entertaining. So happy to see you two together and spreading the truth.
They are the best duo on the show imo
Alfred: "You are democracy people, right?"
Hosts: "Weird way to phrase this, but yes. Are you?"
Alfred: "What makes you think you are entitled to an answer?!"
Wtf? *You* brought up a question on *their* show and are surprised, shooketh even, they ask you back?
I mean, even if you weren't on their show, this is a completely normal path of a conversation. If you can't grapple with a question, maybe don't ask others? What a deeply disturbing caller.
As someone with a Masters degree in English Literature, hearing Alfred say "audience is everything" when interpreting text hurt my brain
How so?
@@33legion it's a very common figure of speech since the 70s, iirc. It's even present in a couple monty python sketches from back in the day. At this point in time, it's half a century old. It's more likely your mother uses it, than a highschooler.
@@33legion if you want me to explain, I will, but you'll need to drop the passive aggressive approach first
@@riccardozanoni2531 I'm not saying that the saying is grammatically wrong or bad, I'm saying it's not substantial by itself.
@@jawamedia1529 Okay. I'll edit my earlier comment to be less mean.
I'm sorry that I was passive aggressive earlier.
Chandler is the living proof, how simple people are kept by their priests. They are also not allowed to ask questions like this, because the priest does not know how to answer this.
Special pleading is ok, if you do a circular argument for this special case though!
Matt, could there be a correlation between intelligence and the certainty with which certain people make stupid statements that they are convinced of, even though science gives a completely different explanation?
The one thing that annoys me most is the whole "love thy neighbor" being used to mean "love everyone" and not "love the people like you who live near you"
The canaanites weren't neighbors. People from africa with different skin tones weren't neighbors. Even today different religions aren't considered neighbors, else there'd be so much love for atheists and muslims and such, and not just love for and by christians.
So every time i hear "love thy neighbor" i really want to ask "and who is your neighbor and who is not your neighbor"
Thank you. I have been making this very same argument for years. It says “neighbor” not love everyone or love all mankind.
Well said. So f'ing obvious but somehow so impossible for some to see.
@ It’s not that it’s impossible for the Bible humpers to see. It’s that they need to believe love thy neighbor means to love everyone because love the people in your neighborhood and screw the rest proves their god isn’t as kind and loving as they want to believe he is.
Hey Chuck, the entire field of Psychology is all about people saying they feel things. Unless you want to get rid of every single psychological diagnosis of all time, then you cant dismiss the psychology behind gender dysphoria.
The entire field of Psychology is about behavior actually. Yes, people "saying they feel things" is a part of that, but so is cognition, perception, intelligence and much more.
Beautiful Mr Forrest Valkai, you, after Moises, said “these conversations make me a better thinker “ thankyou, I feel exactly the same way about this show. You’re a legend maybe only in my mind!
“Chuck” is still butt hurt from the last call with Forrest where he was utterly destroyed on his dumbass “attack helicopter” crap. He’s a troll who,likes the sound of his own voice.
Oh! Was that Chuck? I absolutely remember that! And I love Forrest so much for doing what he did there and everything he said! I didn't realize this was the same person.
I listened to your show and I thought to myself, "Gee, Matt's getting grumpy in his old age". Then I listened more closely to the callers and, "Nah, its justified."
Chuck: Matt, act your age!
Matt: old enough to be done with people's sh!t
Matt is cracking me up today. Chuck is utterly annoying.
Chuck is just a troll, he was dishonest from the start.
I don't think he's a troll, I don't think he's intelligent enough to be a troll. He struck me as someone who hasn't studied any biology since he was in his early teens and has come away with the misunderstanding that just because we like to broadly characterise things and put them into boxes to stop our brain hurting, those boxes don't exist and all biology is a spectrum.
“How could a raccoon eat my soul?” 😂 was not expecting to hear that!
Sounds like the deluded ramblings of a man who’s never held extended eye contact with a raccoon.
They actually don't get the mask around their eyes, until they've eaten a human soul... 😆
@@loki2240
No no, they do get them from birth. That's how you know the soul transferred and wasn't pooped out.
You can tell they’ve eaten a human soul when they leave the water so filthy afterwards.
@@xmillion1704maybe that’s why the wash their hands…because they really used to be human
Everyday Matt is an engaging, patient, passionate teacher. Matt, in pain, is all of those things and so,so much more. Look on his works, ye mighty! Here was a man.
Describing Matt Dillahunty as patient is stretching it. I mean, the guy is famous for how often he hangs up on callers in a fit of rage. It would be like a Presup Christian claiming Darth Dawkins is patient. It's equivalent, if you remove any bias (which many struggle with doing, so I doubt this will be a popular comment but I'm fine with that)
There's always a damn good reason for Mr Dillahunty losing it !
He's more patient to theists crying than I am !
I can imagine that one's patience would wear quite thin when faced with the same. fucking. bullshit for 20 years. I'm not even talking about stupid arguments. Some of these callers are so rude and refuse to listen to logic or answer a simple question or wait till it's their turn to speak. I would've rage quit loooong ago.
@@lightbeforethetunnel"give aman a reputation as an early riser, that man can sleep til noon"- mark Twain
You are kinda misrepresenting Matt, he does not hang up that often, you are not showing that he is not patient just that he hangs up, generally when he does hang up he has patiently explained to people multiple times why they are wrong, and they refuse to answer multiple times or are completely dishonest, hang ups are a non sequitur for his level of patience
@ARoll925 I'm always right about everything, though. And no one else is. So don't think that they are.
"Emotional Troll - OBSESSED with Matt" is hilarious. I LOVE IT!!! Who writes these? You need recognition.
Chuck, the main difference between transphobia and theistohobia/godphobia is that when I say I'm a woman, I'm only speaking to my internal reality. When you say that you feel that God exists, you are making a claim about the fundamental nature of reality. Furthermore, when you say you believe in God, I believe that you believe in God.
I haven't finished listening to that call and am probably going to fall asleep soon. Did Forrest provide definitions for man, woman, male, and female?
@@mr-nf5sz I suspect anyone who's being intellectually honest would be unable to do that to your satisfaction, and yes, Forrest did explain why.
@dolson27 he did provide definitions of male, female, man, and woman? What were they?
@dolson27 unable to do that to my satisfaction? That's a profoundly weird way to respond to a simple question.
@@mr-nf5sz It's because people who ask that question out of nowhere like that tend to want to ignore any and all nuance in their quest for an overly simplistic definition. It's pretty obvious when we bring up exceptions like people with various intersex conditions (which Forrest did) and the simple definition gets really convoluted. One example Forrest brought up was someone with female reproductive organs, female secondary characteristics, has female on their birth certificate, and lives as a woman, but has XY chromosomes, which the caller defined as a man.
I have great respect for you both. Thank you for what you do.
Whoa! I didn't think that a caller would amuse me more than Kevin did a week ago. Thanx, Charles and hope yer NEVER in charge of our rights!!
The soul-eating raccoons. That might be the title of a funky fantasy B-movie.
@@rcatv7750 that was the funniest thing. I'm still laughing about this
Sounds like a nightmare that Bowie might have woken from...
this is a hilarious reply ngl.
This with Tooth Bunny, let's make the "Forrest's Fantastic Creatures" collection.
Weren’t there soul-eating raccoons featured in The Evil Dead?
PLEASE record Chucks debate with Matt and show it here!! xxx
I can hear the emotion in Matts voice at the end and I agree with him soo much - trans people are people, just trying to fight their way through a life that is so much harder than mine and it shouldn't be. They don't make it hard, other people do and I will try my hardest to make trans lives easier and more comfortable. xx
oh! Did I fail to mention another, engaging, passionate teacher? Forest Balkai, so patient.! These two guys' whole stance to the world got me to join the channel tonight. They showed up.They did the work. They engaged, they taught, patiently and with great understanding. They are my heroes.
Valkai
Chuck needs to watch old episodes of Trans Atlantic Call-in Show with Katy Montgomerie… she fully explains the science.
Transphobes don’t actually care about the science. They just want to claim their own ignorance and bigotry is the actual science despite not being based in actual science.
For me it was Arden that brought up science and convinced me that I am a normal human being and should just be me. I can't thank her enough for that ❤
He won't, he's too afraid of having his preconception challenged. If he wasn't he would've looked into the science before calling
"I'm going to mute you because it amuses me." Brava! Loved it!
If Jim thinks that God is telling them that The Line is doing a great job then they should donate to the SSA.
I believe 10% of their income would be appropriate
Hope you both get to feeling better really soon. Great show , keep up the good fight.
Is it just me, or saying "sometimes I am for democracy" is reading "I like democracy when I get my way on legislation"?
2:38:56 cracks me up that they changed the Chiron from “Theist Caller” to “Bigoted Caller” 🤣🤣🤣🤣😊
No!! I was ten minutes from seeing that happen when I read the comment Spoilers!
I can't wait for the debate between Chuck & Matt. 🤣
I haven't been into watching debates for years now, but I am so excited to see Chuck attempt to debate Matt 😅
If Jim 2:30:11 isn’t a troll, then has an inner voice that he’s incapable of identifying as simply him thinking to himself.
I agree with Matt what’s his idea about democracy is concerned. For some, voting is like a beauty contest or a TV singing voting program
I've seen people swing back and forth with no concern for policy but rather vote for who they think is going to win anyway, and wait until after an election to put stickers on their car, not because of outcome but purely because they want to be seen as "being on the winning side"
I love how much fun Forrest was having with Jim, while still being respectful and taking it as seriously as possible.
Re 47:21
"What happens after you die? Lots of things happen after you die, they just don't involve you." -Louis C. K.
My mom says they're having a party and turning my room into a lounge
I see Chuck is just as pleasant as ever🙄
By Alfred's "love thy neighbor" logic, Christians should love all Lgbtq+! I don't see them doing that (or at least not the majority)! 😊😊😊
Catholics love thy neighbor, but hate the sin.
@ not all 😊
@@paco-8-8 Fair.
The Bible says God is "unchanging" or words to that effect over 100 times. The same today as He was yesterday and will be tomorrow. But as soon as we point out something inconvenient like His explicit approval of slavery, God has has suddenly changed His mind. No Alfred you dont get to do that.
Great show...AGAIN!
Could we have a cage match between Rob and Alfred and whoever loses gets banned and whoever wins gets to go on EndBoss but then the “end boss” is just the recently-banned-loser and after the debate they both get slimed Nickelodeon style?
I don't know
The slime's coming for me now, isn't it...
Chuck: have you had your own chromosomes tested? How do you know if you're a man or a woman, by your definition of those terms? What about people in your life? Are you gonna call them men, women, sons, daughters, uncles, without knowing their chromosomes and then completely redefining who they are to you once there's a test conducted? Would you treat your daughter like a son when everything about her except a chromosome test screams female and she has always been a daughter to you?
I wonder if Alfred was deliberately time wasting- given his tap dancing and lying.
Foolish atheist, he wasn't tap dancing; he was dancing the Mazurka!
Don't attribute to malice what might be explained by stupidity.
I find it hard to believe that there was some underlying scheme behind his squirming. I just think he was a charmless coward.
Racism and Religion. Best Sellers for 2000 Years Running!!!
Chuck is so close to "Gender doesn't mean anything", which isn't the end goal but it's a big step in the journey
1:42:58 a miracle is going to be when a theist actually comes up with good evidence for the existence of a god.
excellent show. Thank you
My new favorite phrase to come from anything Matt has ever done: "How can a raccoon eat my soul?"
I love raccoons even more now 😂 like now I am imagining them as reincarnated humans, with their little hands
That is a weird question to avoid answering.
OMG, “There’s corn in that turd!” Is my favorite thing that Forest has EVER said! 😂😂😂😂😂
Chuck is actually intellectual phobic and logic phobic! 😂
Mostly Chuck is phobic to relevant data.
Alfred's interruptions remind me of a teenager objecting to his parents.
What a nutcase that last one was
Chuck probably marches with the KKK and participates in the Two Hours Hate.
He never fails to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that his wilful ignorance is only surpassed by his baseless arrogance.
Yes, and bless the non-existent deity that the hosts have a mute button and not afraid to use it.
He is so secure that he's right but cannot make any arguments to defend his stance
@44:40 I have often wondered about the 'ice' explanation. For someone living in a climate where ice never naturally forms, the notion that someone could walk upon solidified (frozen) water would be rather mind-blowing.
Chuck was really floundering here, god damn 🤦 He HAD to resort to petty arguments and ad homs because he had nothing left to say
Alfred asking "are you a democracy person?" & Getting so defensive about having the question turned on him is sus.
Really good show, guys. The callers sucked, not a surprise, I guess. You two were great!
“You have to love your neighbor as yourself.” And what about the people outside your neighborhood?
Like the dark-skinned people in Africa 200 years ago??
3:17:05 my favorite matt dillahunty moment to date! 😂😂😂
Alfred can’t be real
Trust me, he's real.
Cherish that youthful optimism, the hope that your fellow man isn't a ridiculous cave-clown.
Alfred, getting Forrest to become frustrated with you is an achievement. He is a bundle of joy, unlike Matt who is a lot less patient now adays.. 😅 (also, hi Matt, been watching you for over a decade now.)
Yay, Forrest is on!!!
Ilove when Matt n Forest are together ❤😂
Basically this god of the Bible seems cruel to me and I don’t think that Jesus if there was one would have identified himself with all that and referred to something else.
Jesus said some evil shit as well. They go together
The producer during Chuck's call was FIRE 🔥 😂😂😂
You can tell Forrest and his “never had a bad day” routine are starting to test Matt’s patience. Completely understandable. Forrest lets too many people off the hook by being a SAP. Tighten up.
lers hope he does not join matt in his juvenile and crude attitude
Two missionaries knock on a door very early one morning. A guy comes to the door, takes one look and says "I'm not buying anything" and begins to close the door
_"Oh, we're not selling anything today, sir. The commandments in this book are given freely"_
"In that case I'll take 613", says Moses
chuck, a 'know-it-all' caricature, was eager to expose his ignorance through an embarrassing dialogue.
3:14:36 The way his voice cracks like a spoiled angry little toddler, while saying that. Is just priceless. I need to make that into a ringtone XD
Two of the best humans 👏🏽❤