BIG notice as soon as you login, and again when you reach the first safe haven. Not enough people understand what is expected of them for participating in a early release
Sirgog and other creators talking about the real dangers of cheat sites and exposing their scummy tactics is always going to be respected and hopefully GGG continues to fight against it
GGG do a reasonable but not impeccable job on it. If I were them I'd approach the botting side similarly to how they do so, but also buy all the commercially available bots (to undermine them). Biggest change on the transaction side would be to make occasional "Gold buying is cheating" announcments in global
@@sirgog I RMT everyleague. I don't have the skills or patience to farm a mageblood. But wanna play high level content. People will RMT regardless of what anyone else thinks
@@davidbakies5022if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, but an announcement like this might at least help those on the fence decide otherwise. I totally understand why people do it and harbor no ill-will for you, but just wish it wasn't a thing (it always will be as you say). The only way it affects me is it hurts the in game economy slightly and encourages bots. But honestly it's not a huge deal regardless I feel and people overblow it.
@@grimrocker354 i rmt almost every league, but in the other direction, sell 1-2 mirrors, helps to pay for my internet, cs faceit subscription, etc small things like that :) also allowed me to buy poe 2 ea access lmao
Lance Armstrong getting caught led to a cascade effect where it was discovered that pretty much EVERYBODY was doping. Literally everybody in the upper echelons of cycling were all cheating. So to his credit, he was still the best 🤣. Oh, and the "Lance Armstrong" of PoE is Allie stealing from viewers lol
We had an RMT guy (buyer) in the guild. He tried to hide it and brag about how good and lucky he is at the game but damn was it pathetic because he did not know the mechanics of the things he bragged about.. He bragged about how "easy" the game is because in his first t1 map after finishing the campaign he dropped a mageblood... Apparently not knowing that a Mageblood cannot drop in t1 maps and that we are able to hover over the item he linked and see that it was Ilvl 86... After that he had some "crazy" luck and made 200-300div ontop of that in white maps in just a few hours by alch and go gameplay. He instantly lost all respect in the guild
Yeah I'd /gkick over that. And report the suspicions to GGG if I was in an unusually vindictive mood (I think they temp ban on first offense for buyers... not 100% certain)
@@sirgogmy punishment for buying back in 2018 was a ban. As far as I was aware it wasn't temporary until I contacted them and asked for forgivness, in which they gave me a chance.
I skipped out on the support gem leak. Not because I didn't want to be spoiled, just because I figured there will be changes by launch and I didn't want to comb through them a second time after the early download gets datamined.
Honestly, I kind of hope they get banned even if they _don't_ do the same. A lot of the gold selling websites sell for multiple games, and it's showing poor character/judgement.
For what it's worth, the even the highest level devs who left Blizzard and even game dev in general years ago have held that the RMAH was genuinely an attempt to make those purchases less of a personal risk, not an attempt to make money, and that the store barely made any money for Blizzard at all since the transactions were commonly for so little money that paying the credit card companies for the transactions actually lost them money, especially for the transactions from outside the US where they would need to pay to convert the money afterward.
I can vividly remember all these incredibly annoying spambots joining almost every bloodrun and baalrun back in the day and that alone already prevents me from ever interacting with any of this scum.
I don't think Lance Armstrong is a good example. 1.) cheating was too common in pro cycling 2.) people don't cheat to get on top but to skip the part they regard as boring (they probably also suck at the game). Most of all I don't understand why anyone would have to make an argument why cheating is bad. I might be naive in this regard.
Sirgog point is not about if Lance Armstrong was a good or bad person or if he was justified or not, his point is that once you cheat and get caught your reputation most likely will never recover.
@germalganis many people don't judge him that hard because they are under the impression everyone else was doping at the time. I think many people that RMT think that way
An AI program set up to scan all trades made between people/accounts would be great way to capture these enshitifiers. Could be made lightweight and help to zero in and ban these businesses.
I feel like if GGG announce that there will be ascendancy rerolls after a reasonable amount of time, that would make things better. But even otherwise , I believe we should just enjoy discovering the game from scratch. There is always time to optimize and start following build guides later, but this feeling of exploration and discovery is not going to last for long. Me personally, i still remember starting PoE as a free player in Betrayal league , discovering Toxic Rain and finding that it was actually quite good and meta. Its been way too long since .. with all the build guides i have been following. Can't wait for EA launch!
@sirgog Yes sir! I might come back to more spoilery videos after I reach the end game with one (edit: or two) character. Really appreciate the consideration to split the videos!
Never understood buying gold in wow and I don't understand doing it in Poe. Why trade your IRL money, which you traded your time for already, so that you don't have to play a game, which is the thing you actually want to do with your time.
On the topic of enshittification of gaming: The way some of those western devs are implementing former ways of cheating as p2w measures is making asian gachas look good - because at least those are honest about their business model lol (obv gachas are still a pretty toxic anti consumer business model)
Sirgog, would you ever consider doing a full comprehensive story telling of the PoE 1 lore? i find it difficult to listen to the other content creators who have tried. I think you could do a wonderful job narrating it if you did.
KittenCatNoodle is so much more knowledgeable than me on the topic. I won't do this, but if someone forced me to do a POE lore vid... I'd have to paraphrase her work...
10/10, needed PSA. I do want to say, we do need to be friendly to people asking bog standard questions in chat. Or maybe direct them to a certain global channel to get help. That way we keep them out of general channels where people are well, people. But, with so many new people is a chance for the game to grow. If you don't like the questions, turn off chat, enjoy the game and let them learn. Communities can and will kill progress on these games and if POE becomes known for stonewalling new players with standard questions, its going to lead to less growth from GGG. So, I'm saying is "nothing nice to say, don't say anything" We know how that's going to go.
Thanks for the info, friend. I knew the buy-power thing was corrupt, but that is pretty malicious! I don't know how anyone could trust a random criminal on the internet with their login and password.
honestly the "gold buyers" (just callin it this, cause I'm used to wow, but any rmters ig) piss me off more than the sellers, like no matter what game you play, if you buy progress, you are gonna fall off eventually
Ss i said in another comment, i know I've spent too much time watching poe content when yt starts recommending yhese kind of sites through their ads. I really wish GGG did something about them.
When referring to 'gold buying' I'm talking any items of value; it's been a common term for this sort of cheating whether it's gold or not. The cheat sites do 'gold farming' on the same basis as how they do powerlevelling, but I'm talking in terms of tradeable items mostly.
Yeahh Idk about the support gem info myself. I'm not morally objecting to it since it is GGGs own mistake and it did get approved, but I wanna get into the game as fresh as is reasonable to me. I would read additional ascendancy data, merely on the grounds that we cannot switch ascendancy and they simultaneously opted to not show them to us at the character creation. The way they report their campaign length that is way too big of a punishment to me for getting it wrong, so I'm going to read everything about those the first chance I get, which will hopefully be before character creation. All other information not explicitly released by GGG I'm trying to avoid at this point for one because I don't want most of it, and secondly because the xbox predownload makes it hard to trust that it's intended to be out there now which would be info I do morally object to.
I'm curious why cheating in single player game is so bad? I'm buying time. Steroids are buying time and using trainers are buying time, but only one is counted bad
To be honest, the RMT market of PoE1 is so big & it's uncontrollable by GGG (if you joined in some discord/fb group, especially you are from South East Asia countries, you know it's a fact! Some groups even establish "gaming company" and hire people grind in-game currencies to sell for real money, some individual get big money at league start, consider grinding & selling currencies as their part time job). The trading & crafting system in PoE2 seem like the same as PoE1, so I expect the RMT market of PoE2 will be big & uncontrollable too, sadly. And finally, RMT people even make a joke on GGG, said that GGG actually allows RMT happen, when they make some movement & decision in trading/crafting system & banning waves....which are...ineffective & even make RMT more serious, I don't want to talk about it much because it looks like I am saying bad about GGG & PoE, you can check it by yourself. But I do love the game and really hope the RMT problem will be improved in PoE2.
Lance Armstrong was a cheater but was not the only one. He has been booed only because he admitted he cheated. If he didn't, he would stay a great champion for a lot of people despite the suspicion (as is Miguel Indurain)
Why even pay someone to level a character for you or give you stuff? Don't you want to play the game? If enough people wanted to just experience a high level build in the game GGG could implement a rent a character scheme where you pay money for GGG coins which you use to pay someone to use their character for a limited time with full access to a few tabs and viewing access to the rest (including everything the character has equipped).
I assume people can work that out; I'm mostly raising it to comment on the tone of the lore of the game. I do assume the Ranger lore is factually true; however; just told 'from a certain point of view'.
@@sirgog There's also a lot of RMT in the mirror crafting scene itself. On both sides, people buying mirrors to fund crafts, and often the profit of those crafts get sold as RMT. There's a lot of game knowledge that also goes into this, but that doesn't excuse the cheating. Mirror crafting a meta defining item is definitely one of the easier ways to make ludicrous wealth over the course of a league. It's why I'm especially happy that Sushi's low fee shop exists, to undercut a lot of this bullshit (even if it can't fully prevent it), and was happy to contribute my own mirror craft there this league.
GGG investigated him, he's clean. The allegations of RMT at him came from one person who's since been permabanned for doxxing someone else, and started because TFT refused to conceal evidence of scamming. TFT would have made hundreds of mirrors by selling their integrity in that case. TFT aren't always right, but the RMT allegations were malicious and false.
I see you have joined GGGs side. You tell us there is gonna be a video with all the gems yet i don't see it! You are a cruel man. Give me the video! Also, fuck gold sites. Praise le Toucan
You don't realize Lance Armstrong was just a fall guy? Literally every single pro athelte in this world is on steroids. Steroids create an enormous gulf in performance between users and naturals. The worlds best natty athletes dont come anywhere even close to the performance of above average athletes on gear. This by default means that every pro athlete on the planet uses gear because they wouldn't make it into the championship tournaments in the first place without performing on a steroid user level. No such thing as natty sports competitions apart from your locals.
@@sirgog True but I just dont think Armstrong deserves the mockery since he was actually in reality competing against other steroid users, and still beat them. Its not really comparative to RMT merchants and cheaters in PoE because they don't represent the competitive scene as a whole, not even 1% of it.
Devil's advocate RMT exist because time is money and some people value their time alot more thsn their money. For most it's a single player game and no different than a whale spending thousands of dollars on mobile games to flex on the porr You may not like it but it's the truth
omg, so much rubbish about rmt sites and 0 and i mean absolutely zero knowledge about how acc hacking works, every1 decides for themselves about using those sites, yes i see you are trying to be "good" which looks like hypocrisy. No legit RMT sites or providers steal accounts, its just stupid to do so because for them their reputation is what they value the most. Accounts nowadays are being stolen by stealing cookies, hacker do not need your password nor 2-factor or anything, i havent heard about bruting for about 5+ years already
There is no such thing as a "legit" RMT site. ALL of them are dirty. It's not the sole method of account compromise, but it's one I've seen people fall for. I wish game companies would go harder on them (kinda hard with defamation laws sometimes...). Publish real world names of banned cheaters alongside proof, and share the lists with other game companies so a ban from one game gets applied on other multiplayer games. Ideally someone banned from WOW for gold buying would be rapidly perma'd from every other online service game.
@@sirgog RMT is legal in most countries as far as i know, its just one of branches of the online business, most legit rmt sites are officially registered and pay taxes thats why they are "legit". However account hacking is not legal and can end you up in jail, there is no such mad site\person that will risk end up in jail for a spare 5$-10000$ when they can make more in a day just from comissions. Also most of them are always more protecting buyer rather than seller. You saying about "every single" RMT site compromising and selling data WITHOUT proofs is also illegal, you need to elaborate with every single event and proof, or else do not bring it up. Do not forget legit RMT sites are officially running businesses and your actions can fall under defamation.This is just for your security, you can think however you want but you must be careful with what you say. End user agreement is not a law that is also why game companies cant do and will not be able in the future to do anything with RMT. This all comes from early internet in the times of early WoW or Everquest 1, when there were a lot of scammers and hackers, i also did fall victim for some of those, but times have changed long ago.
I think people need a video on how to report issues during a beta. What important details should be shared and what doesn't need to be included
Oh that is an EXCELLENT idea.
great idea 👏👏
BIG notice as soon as you login, and again when you reach the first safe haven. Not enough people understand what is expected of them for participating in a early release
It’s a great idea but it wasn’t announced as a beta test, we are paying to play an unfinished product with no obligations, it’s still a good idea tho
Actually knowing what is worth reporting and what is just normal weirdness would be good for a lot of people.
Sirgog and other creators talking about the real dangers of cheat sites and exposing their scummy tactics is always going to be respected and hopefully GGG continues to fight against it
GGG do a reasonable but not impeccable job on it. If I were them I'd approach the botting side similarly to how they do so, but also buy all the commercially available bots (to undermine them). Biggest change on the transaction side would be to make occasional "Gold buying is cheating" announcments in global
The PSA on cheating and RMTing is probably needed with how many new players are joinikg on December 6th.
Yeah also long-established players.
@@sirgog I RMT everyleague. I don't have the skills or patience to farm a mageblood. But wanna play high level content. People will RMT regardless of what anyone else thinks
@@davidbakies5022if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, but an announcement like this might at least help those on the fence decide otherwise. I totally understand why people do it and harbor no ill-will for you, but just wish it wasn't a thing (it always will be as you say). The only way it affects me is it hurts the in game economy slightly and encourages bots. But honestly it's not a huge deal regardless I feel and people overblow it.
@@davidbakies5022 why even play the game just watch someone else?
@@grimrocker354 i rmt almost every league, but in the other direction, sell 1-2 mirrors, helps to pay for my internet, cs faceit subscription, etc small things like that :) also allowed me to buy poe 2 ea access lmao
You are such an invaluable resource on this game, man
thanks mate!
Lance Armstrong getting caught led to a cascade effect where it was discovered that pretty much EVERYBODY was doping. Literally everybody in the upper echelons of cycling were all cheating. So to his credit, he was still the best 🤣. Oh, and the "Lance Armstrong" of PoE is Allie stealing from viewers lol
no valdos for this man is crime GGG
This. Do it already, GGG. :D
There is no way, when people that are only for month in the community get one. This has to be an error
100% johnathan fix it up
We had an RMT guy (buyer) in the guild. He tried to hide it and brag about how good and lucky he is at the game but damn was it pathetic because he did not know the mechanics of the things he bragged about..
He bragged about how "easy" the game is because in his first t1 map after finishing the campaign he dropped a mageblood...
Apparently not knowing that a Mageblood cannot drop in t1 maps and that we are able to hover over the item he linked and see that it was Ilvl 86...
After that he had some "crazy" luck and made 200-300div ontop of that in white maps in just a few hours by alch and go gameplay.
He instantly lost all respect in the guild
Yeah I'd /gkick over that. And report the suspicions to GGG if I was in an unusually vindictive mood (I think they temp ban on first offense for buyers... not 100% certain)
That is one legitimately sad loser...wonder what happened to him to feel the need to brag like that.
@@sirgogmy punishment for buying back in 2018 was a ban. As far as I was aware it wasn't temporary until I contacted them and asked for forgivness, in which they gave me a chance.
I skipped out on the support gem leak. Not because I didn't want to be spoiled, just because I figured there will be changes by launch and I didn't want to comb through them a second time after the early download gets datamined.
Yeah it'll be its own skippable video for that reason
The most interesting thing to me from those wanted posters was from the Mercenary. Oriath still exists!
Why wouldnt it? One of the earliest characters we've seen from PoE2 is the new emperor of Oriath.
I've seen a bunch of D4 content creators being sponsored by gold selling websites for D4, i hope they get banned by GGG if they do the same for poe 2
Honestly, I kind of hope they get banned even if they _don't_ do the same. A lot of the gold selling websites sell for multiple games, and it's showing poor character/judgement.
For what it's worth, the even the highest level devs who left Blizzard and even game dev in general years ago have held that the RMAH was genuinely an attempt to make those purchases less of a personal risk, not an attempt to make money, and that the store barely made any money for Blizzard at all since the transactions were commonly for so little money that paying the credit card companies for the transactions actually lost them money, especially for the transactions from outside the US where they would need to pay to convert the money afterward.
Sirgog always stays true to the community. No one should support cheat sites! Stay sane, exiles!
The monk is literally The Avatar Aang
I can vividly remember all these incredibly annoying spambots joining almost every bloodrun and baalrun back in the day and that alone already prevents me from ever interacting with any of this scum.
Oh god yeah
How can a man physically handle being this based? Fantastic video as usual!
I don't think Lance Armstrong is a good example. 1.) cheating was too common in pro cycling 2.) people don't cheat to get on top but to skip the part they regard as boring (they probably also suck at the game). Most of all I don't understand why anyone would have to make an argument why cheating is bad. I might be naive in this regard.
Sirgog point is not about if Lance Armstrong was a good or bad person or if he was justified or not, his point is that once you cheat and get caught your reputation most likely will never recover.
@germalganis many people don't judge him that hard because they are under the impression everyone else was doping at the time. I think many people that RMT think that way
I respect the fact you're addressing the RMT sites/services thing, and this is not the first time that you do so. o7
Thank you for the this and other great content over the years sirgog.
Thanks a lot for your covering a lot of insights
An AI program set up to scan all trades made between people/accounts would be great way to capture these enshitifiers. Could be made lightweight and help to zero in and ban these businesses.
I feel like if GGG announce that there will be ascendancy rerolls after a reasonable amount of time, that would make things better. But even otherwise , I believe we should just enjoy discovering the game from scratch. There is always time to optimize and start following build guides later, but this feeling of exploration and discovery is not going to last for long.
Me personally, i still remember starting PoE as a free player in Betrayal league , discovering Toxic Rain and finding that it was actually quite good and meta. Its been way too long since .. with all the build guides i have been following. Can't wait for EA launch!
Strongly recommend skipping the next vid then! It will be too spoilery for your taste.
@sirgog Yes sir! I might come back to more spoilery videos after I reach the end game with one (edit: or two) character. Really appreciate the consideration to split the videos!
Agreed. You only get one first playthrough.
Thank you for the clear message against cheat websites! I loved every moment of it.
Never understood buying gold in wow and I don't understand doing it in Poe. Why trade your IRL money, which you traded your time for already, so that you don't have to play a game, which is the thing you actually want to do with your time.
As soon as you talked about scam sites, an RMT ad immediately popped up lol.
On the topic of enshittification of gaming: The way some of those western devs are implementing former ways of cheating as p2w measures is making asian gachas look good - because at least those are honest about their business model lol (obv gachas are still a pretty toxic anti consumer business model)
Great work, as always.
Sirgog, would you ever consider doing a full comprehensive story telling of the PoE 1 lore? i find it difficult to listen to the other content creators who have tried. I think you could do a wonderful job narrating it if you did.
KittenCatNoodle is so much more knowledgeable than me on the topic. I won't do this, but if someone forced me to do a POE lore vid... I'd have to paraphrase her work...
10/10, needed PSA.
I do want to say, we do need to be friendly to people asking bog standard questions in chat. Or maybe direct them to a certain global channel to get help. That way we keep them out of general channels where people are well, people. But, with so many new people is a chance for the game to grow. If you don't like the questions, turn off chat, enjoy the game and let them learn.
Communities can and will kill progress on these games and if POE becomes known for stonewalling new players with standard questions, its going to lead to less growth from GGG. So, I'm saying is "nothing nice to say, don't say anything" We know how that's going to go.
Thanks for the info, friend. I knew the buy-power thing was corrupt, but that is pretty malicious!
I don't know how anyone could trust a random criminal on the internet with their login and password.
Always GOAT takes and videos, you're on top of my list of POE content creators. Keep it up!
those wanted flyers are propaganda for sure, except the witch, 100% accurate, and thats why we like her
honestly the "gold buyers" (just callin it this, cause I'm used to wow, but any rmters ig) piss me off more than the sellers, like no matter what game you play, if you buy progress, you are gonna fall off eventually
Lance Armstrong was a cheat yes, but everyone else was on juice too and he was miles ahead lol
blizzard indeed went "if you can't beat them, join them"
Ss i said in another comment, i know I've spent too much time watching poe content when yt starts recommending yhese kind of sites through their ads. I really wish GGG did something about them.
GGG do try to deal with them - they are run by smart, ruthless people though.
Very good content this, good to enlighten a problem.
Isn't gold untradeable or did they change that?
When referring to 'gold buying' I'm talking any items of value; it's been a common term for this sort of cheating whether it's gold or not. The cheat sites do 'gold farming' on the same basis as how they do powerlevelling, but I'm talking in terms of tradeable items mostly.
Yeahh Idk about the support gem info myself. I'm not morally objecting to it since it is GGGs own mistake and it did get approved, but I wanna get into the game as fresh as is reasonable to me. I would read additional ascendancy data, merely on the grounds that we cannot switch ascendancy and they simultaneously opted to not show them to us at the character creation. The way they report their campaign length that is way too big of a punishment to me for getting it wrong, so I'm going to read everything about those the first chance I get, which will hopefully be before character creation. All other information not explicitly released by GGG I'm trying to avoid at this point for one because I don't want most of it, and secondly because the xbox predownload makes it hard to trust that it's intended to be out there now which would be info I do morally object to.
I'm separating it so people who want minimal spoilers can have htat
@@sirgog Just saw your new video pop up with the spoiler heavy thumbnail indeed, great way to handle that. Much appreciated!
maybe I misunderstood but I think Johnathan Rogers said that gold will not be tradeable in poe2 so thats a good thing!
I'm using the term "gold" for all tradeable wealth; you are correct that the in-game gold item will not be tradeable
Extremely common gog W
I'm curious why cheating in single player game is so bad? I'm buying time. Steroids are buying time and using trainers are buying time, but only one is counted bad
To be honest, the RMT market of PoE1 is so big & it's uncontrollable by GGG (if you joined in some discord/fb group, especially you are from South East Asia countries, you know it's a fact! Some groups even establish "gaming company" and hire people grind in-game currencies to sell for real money, some individual get big money at league start, consider grinding & selling currencies as their part time job). The trading & crafting system in PoE2 seem like the same as PoE1, so I expect the RMT market of PoE2 will be big & uncontrollable too, sadly.
And finally, RMT people even make a joke on GGG, said that GGG actually allows RMT happen, when they make some movement & decision in trading/crafting system & banning waves....which are...ineffective & even make RMT more serious, I don't want to talk about it much because it looks like I am saying bad about GGG & PoE, you can check it by yourself. But I do love the game and really hope the RMT problem will be improved in PoE2.
GGG needs to start fishing for the big fisk, not the small sardines.
Lance Armstrong was a cheater but was not the only one. He has been booed only because he admitted he cheated. If he didn't, he would stay a great champion for a lot of people despite the suspicion (as is Miguel Indurain)
Agree there's probably some who get away with it.
Where are these GGG posts?
www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3584453, the site formerly known as Twitter, Reddit... lots of places. Mostly the first link though
@@sirgog thanx!
They really should link it from the news page but maby they do…
Why even pay someone to level a character for you or give you stuff? Don't you want to play the game?
If enough people wanted to just experience a high level build in the game GGG could implement a rent a character scheme where you pay money for GGG coins which you use to pay someone to use their character for a limited time with full access to a few tabs and viewing access to the rest (including everything the character has equipped).
How do you even cheat? Gold is account bound right?
"Gold" here is used as a term for "items of value". We don't know if that's divines, mirrors or something else yet.
This Is G O L D !!
i just realized that every time i reroll im going to have to watch every other class be hanged to death. over and over and over again. sorry friends
So sad that people need to be told these wanted posters are 'probably lies'.
I assume people can work that out; I'm mostly raising it to comment on the tone of the lore of the game. I do assume the Ranger lore is factually true; however; just told 'from a certain point of view'.
@@sirgog Your approach was justified, it's the disinformation age.
amogus witch confirmed
I don't get how these cheat sites can sell mirrors and make a profit. If I did that as my income I'd be making... less than 50 cents an hour.
Account compromise and arbitrage late league are the main things. Botting and hand-farming earlier when prices are higher.
@@sirgog There's also a lot of RMT in the mirror crafting scene itself. On both sides, people buying mirrors to fund crafts, and often the profit of those crafts get sold as RMT. There's a lot of game knowledge that also goes into this, but that doesn't excuse the cheating. Mirror crafting a meta defining item is definitely one of the easier ways to make ludicrous wealth over the course of a league. It's why I'm especially happy that Sushi's low fee shop exists, to undercut a lot of this bullshit (even if it can't fully prevent it), and was happy to contribute my own mirror craft there this league.
Also keep in mind, in some countries 200-400$ is pretty decent money for a month. People that sell gold are (usally) from there.
wait CasiePoE is a gold seller?
Tyler1 type mic, coffezilla type content
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POE already has it's own lance Armstrong. 🤡 Of TFT.
GGG investigated him, he's clean. The allegations of RMT at him came from one person who's since been permabanned for doxxing someone else, and started because TFT refused to conceal evidence of scamming. TFT would have made hundreds of mirrors by selling their integrity in that case.
TFT aren't always right, but the RMT allegations were malicious and false.
@sirgog good to know, feel free to bin my comment, or leave it with your response for correcting the misconception if you think that's better.
I see you have joined GGGs side.
You tell us there is gonna be a video with all the gems yet i don't see it! You are a cruel man. Give me the video!
Also, fuck gold sites.
Praise le Toucan
I'm editing the other vid still; it's taking ages. 23 min of it is edited, 61 min remains unedited...
EVER CLOSER TO THE EVENT HORIZON
very close now!
Like then watch :D
thanks mate!
@@sirgog thx for the job, you are appreciated
Cheat in game, lose irl.
You don't realize Lance Armstrong was just a fall guy? Literally every single pro athelte in this world is on steroids. Steroids create an enormous gulf in performance between users and naturals. The worlds best natty athletes dont come anywhere even close to the performance of above average athletes on gear.
This by default means that every pro athlete on the planet uses gear because they wouldn't make it into the championship tournaments in the first place without performing on a steroid user level.
No such thing as natty sports competitions apart from your locals.
I don't doubt there's undetected cheats; doesn't detract from the fact that detected cheats will be mocked forever.
@@sirgog True but I just dont think Armstrong deserves the mockery since he was actually in reality competing against other steroid users, and still beat them.
Its not really comparative to RMT merchants and cheaters in PoE because they don't represent the competitive scene as a whole, not even 1% of it.
there is lore in poe?
Devil's advocate RMT exist because time is money and some people value their time alot more thsn their money. For most it's a single player game and no different than a whale spending thousands of dollars on mobile games to flex on the porr You may not like it but it's the truth
omg, so much rubbish about rmt sites and 0 and i mean absolutely zero knowledge about how acc hacking works, every1 decides for themselves about using those sites, yes i see you are trying to be "good" which looks like hypocrisy. No legit RMT sites or providers steal accounts, its just stupid to do so because for them their reputation is what they value the most. Accounts nowadays are being stolen by stealing cookies, hacker do not need your password nor 2-factor or anything, i havent heard about bruting for about 5+ years already
There is no such thing as a "legit" RMT site. ALL of them are dirty. It's not the sole method of account compromise, but it's one I've seen people fall for.
I wish game companies would go harder on them (kinda hard with defamation laws sometimes...). Publish real world names of banned cheaters alongside proof, and share the lists with other game companies so a ban from one game gets applied on other multiplayer games. Ideally someone banned from WOW for gold buying would be rapidly perma'd from every other online service game.
@@sirgog RMT is legal in most countries as far as i know, its just one of branches of the online business, most legit rmt sites are officially registered and pay taxes thats why they are "legit".
However account hacking is not legal and can end you up in jail, there is no such mad site\person that will risk end up in jail for a spare 5$-10000$ when they can make more in a day just from comissions. Also most of them are always more protecting buyer rather than seller.
You saying about "every single" RMT site compromising and selling data WITHOUT proofs is also illegal, you need to elaborate with every single event and proof, or else do not bring it up. Do not forget legit RMT sites are officially running businesses and your actions can fall under defamation.This is just for your security, you can think however you want but you must be careful with what you say. End user agreement is not a law that is also why game companies cant do and will not be able in the future to do anything with RMT.
This all comes from early internet in the times of early WoW or Everquest 1, when there were a lot of scammers and hackers, i also did fall victim for some of those, but times have changed long ago.