Whoever thinks that CNC made guitars are inferior to "hand made" are friggin' nuts. Look at the perfection, the flawless contours and the fact that your going to get the same results every time. This cuts the cost in half. The final sand, finish and assembly is where the craftsman applies his hand touches and makes a great guitar into something special. Dean is a genius!
I have a DBZ Diamond Hailfire ST, and it's one of the nicest guitars I have played right out of the box. The fret work was smooth and spot on. It just feels great to play.
In fact the movie title melody that it reminded me about, was from Brødre (Brothers), a Danish war movie from 2004. This melody Iguazu was used in Collateral with Tom Cruise also from 2004. Thanks for getting my mind started up again on this issue! :-)
@uraijit In the video, they did use indexing holes and pins. The side being machined first has two small holes, and at 00:22-00:23 , when the body is flipped over, when watching in slo-mo you'll notice two metal pins that fit perfectly . It also looks like the grooves on the working surface are destined to channel the air while vacuum-clamping. This being said, it is outrageous to pay up to 6000 bucks for a CNC'ed instrument, the same thing is happening to guitars as it already happened to computers and such, we're just paying for a name and supposedly also for technology, even though CNCing a guitar in the industry has been common practice for a while and is not "the next level introduced by D.Zelinksy".
A savings in time (and thus, money, plus tool life savings) could be realized by rough cutting the body shape with a bandsaw prior to setting up the body in the fixture. It works just fine for PRS, and it'll work just fine for anybody.
We have to give a shout ot to Hartley Peavey (Yup the guy from Peavey) who pioneered the use of CNC machines to make guitars. He figured that if you make the guitars with CNC machines, you could keep the costs down and make it so everybody could afford a first class instrument. Sadly, Peavey these days is in a bad state, having to move their guitar production to Asia, ironically because it was becoming too expensive to make the guitars in the old plant.
@@robertturner1550 Nope, look up the footage of the Fender facory in the fifties, no CNC machines there, heck look up footag of the Fender factory in the seventies, STILL no CNC machines there.
@0Heavy0Metal0 they may be the same final product, but all in all, the handmade ones have more sentimental value to its owner because of the time and effort put into the project. Whereas, machine made guitars are just straight up badass perfect for business and mass production. That's my sole opinion though. Yours may or may not differ. Just putting my thoughts out there.
you probably dont give a damn but does someone know a method to log back into an instagram account..? I stupidly lost my password. I love any assistance you can give me.
@Santiago Micah Thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm. Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
I love how Dean Z. left Dean because he was tired of their corporate stuff. I'm glad he's fighting the fight that matters, making guitars in the fires of hell for the most insane rock and rool! \m/
A message to all you so called "purists": watch the Gibson guitar factory tour here on youtube and you'll see thousands of Les Pauls being made on CNC machines. Anyone who would discredit the process of using a router as "cheating" is just a pretentious fool. It is just a great way of getting accurate and repeatable guitars made in a speed friendly way. Theres no more honor in building it by hand, thats what makes us human, the ability to adapt and use tools. So go get your hand rasp, plainers, sand blocks, and any other primitive tool and lets see how quickly you have a instrument made.
With the correct tools, anyone can build an electric guitar, perfect as you've said. Therefore I don't like electric guitars, 'cause has no science: the REAL sound and resonance comes from sides thickness, tap tunning, etc. Anyone can make electric guitars, even if you use a piece of cheap plywood, a piece of a tree, put together with the neck and install some pickpups. That's the reality. I've studied lutherie, I've built lots of acoustics, and I'm proud of it, and let me say you pal, tech is not better than experienced hands in woodworking. Another results that came together 'in the pack' is leave without a man without a job. Viva the tech! ¬¬
Ok so Seymour Duncan is just a fool winding copper? He just got lucky cause his pickups consistently sound amazing?... but theres no science?.... just blind creation i guess.
Well, someone who is experienced with a hand-router and template won't take much longer than the CNC will on non-carved top guitars. A carved top is the only real time-consuming part done by hand, but even that can be done pretty quickly with a proper template and a grinder. There are plenty of guitar companies that don't use CNCs because they consist of skilled, passionate luthiers.
I can't say how THEY did it. It looked like the plate might have been a vacuum table, which eliminates clamping. The way *I* would do it would be to drill some indexing holes on the first side and use dowel pins to locate it so that it would line up properly with the other side when flipped. Assuming you've programmed your gcode properly, it will machine the inverse side from the same reference point, and you'll be golden. They may have a more sophisticated system than that...
@joshendy Where are you getting a CNC. I've been looking all over and can't find anything affordable. Also, are there guitar design downloads to get you started or do you have to design a guitar body from scratch?
IDK how long it took to program the CNC machine, however I have a 3D printer that works on similar principles (guessing gcode). Software does most of the 'setting up' from geometry in 3D modelling aps. 3d software, Art & design skills,.. in a sense is the setting up. Obviously there are tweaks.. but it's mostly design/research, once people have established a good workflow. unlike in the past where a machine's every move needed operator input. google cnc software for examples. (often free BTW)
Good afternoon friends! I am from Brazil and would like to know where I can get a CNC machine with this one for me, because I am a manufacturer of artificial fishing baits and this machine would help me a lot to make the baits in balsa wood, could you help me? Thank you very much in advance. Flávio Alves.
Look at your units or scale factor. Often overlooked and could be the problem. I’ve ran gcode before and the size was wrong and 9/10 that was my problem
@@maurice970 you could make 2 register plates (one for the front and one for the back) that slot into specific holes on your waste board that would allow you to flip it over and maintain perfect alignment. I’m sure there are better ways, that’s just what comes to mind right off
@@maurice970 As recommended below, use register plates...I would go one further...tool your table setup (mdf) to reference tabs for the programed alignment.
those holes drilled through the body blank sit on two pins sticking out of the table. He routed the back cavities then flipped it over - it was aligned because the pins are in the same holes but from the other side
you work is amazing dont get me wrong. but you dont get the craftmanship in these guitars which i can get over but still it would allow you to up the price and add that nice touch
I could be wrong, but alot of companies use the same cavity on different guitars just for ease of use. It is alot easier not to have to rewrite the code for a non essential part of the guitar. And by non essential, i mean that the shape of the cavity really doesnt matter as long as it is big enough and is routed where it was intended to be.
@bobd1311 I built my own CNC machine, you can see it in my channel. If you want to buy a good CNC generally they aren't cheap. Even building my own cost me a fair bit and took better part of 2 years. You also need to design the guitar yourself, you can get downloads of designs but in reality you need to do all the design and CAM work. Its quite a learning curve but extremely rewarding.
No I haven't, although making a guitar was an original intention. printer I have (makerbot) is too small (prototypes, toys & fixing stuff) + plastic is not an ideal guitar medium. Ideas like spraying wood dust with super glue from print nozzle is one idea for making guitar bodies. watch?v=ixuO-4IBRHg & CNC machine for necks/fretboard. There are many DIY CNC/printer designs on YT(& web).. needn't be expensive. watch?v=AGYKe11JUVo will make mine more rigid & improve on designs though.
If the machine does it so easily then why aren't their more lefties. I would die for a left handed Bolero. Way better than a Gibson. Please please, c'mon Diamond.
It takes making a new fixture and program for the machine as well. I suspect that recovering the cost of just those two things would be fairly difficult with the low volume of Lefty models sold. That is not even taking into account that the machine could be making a very much more sellable righty model instead. Sorry bro, must be tough to be a lefty guitarist sometimes.
Just for everyone that jumps on the "anyone can do that". No, you can't. Why do you think there are people trained for years to operate CNC machines properly. I can sit you in front of a 300.000€ machine or the CAM Software on a workstation and you can't do shit! Programming such stuff is hard work! A course to learn new software costs around 5k for a week training. The problem nowadays is that you can't make a living out of 100% handmade guitars. These machines make it possible to make precise copies of a certain guitar shape. Like every SG, LesPaul or Stratocaster you buy from the big companies. Still, these companies run those machines while counting the seconds till it spits out a guitar. Thats why the shapes and quality isn't that good. Those Guitars or Kit-Guitars are a way of giving out precision guitars for a fair price and save a lot of time for the luthier. Luthiers will do lots of additional work on a guitar. Those machines give them the chance to still make handmade guitars in smaller numbers while they protect their job with the kit guitars or budget models. Every CNC-based guitar from a good luthier will always exceed the guitars of the huge companies that are only counting money and use slaves in foreign countries to max their profit. Also think about the possibilites. A luthier can invest a year while doing the regular guitars on creating a new model to perfection, maybe 1000+ hours of work. He would never have the time to make one exactly as good as the first one. But the machine can do the rough shape of that Master-Guitar and give people the opportunity to play a out of this world instrument for less money, cause he needs less hours to make it.
This is almost entirely bullshit. I can set up and run CAM for this simple, two-step profiling and pocketing job in under an hour. It's horribly unoptimized and doesn't look like it's taking any sort of time constraint into account, otherwise you'd see multiple roughing passes with large endmills.
I’ve used a CNC machine with no training. I also have an elementary grade knowledge of CAM/CAD software. I can tell you 100% I can recreate this to an almost exact copy. The only difference between me and the expert is I’ll take significantly longer to do it.
Not only did I learn enough to operate the mills at my work in under a week, it's one of the easiest jobs I've had, I also ended up going to school for it and only paid $1200 for the YEAR of classes which didnt teach me much I didnt already know AND I know people who do make a living making handmade guitars. Sorry, but most of what you've said is just wrong.
Sounds like maybe "onpsxmember" tried and failed? Instead of tearing people down, maybe you should consider lifting them up. CNC operators started by learning through training and then applying their skills. Nice try being the Debbie downer though.
This video made me want to have my own CNC so bad. 10 years later I still think this is one of the best videos ever.
Did you get one? and Which one (if so)? Thank you
@@SyedWajihHassan yes a Gerber System 48
Whoever thinks that CNC made guitars are inferior to "hand made" are friggin' nuts. Look at the perfection, the flawless contours and the fact that your going to get the same results every time. This cuts the cost in half. The final sand, finish and assembly is where the craftsman applies his hand touches and makes a great guitar into something special. Dean is a genius!
And, they cut the costs in half and are passing the savings on to buyers.
Never before has the idea of having a CNC machine at my disposable sound so cool.
I have a DBZ Diamond Hailfire ST, and it's one of the nicest guitars I have played right out of the box. The fret work was smooth and spot on. It just feels great to play.
Holy crap!!!! Programing that machin must have taken FOREVER!!!!
Beautiful design.
HOLY CRAP, that was beautiful!
That was... so... BEAUTIFUL! :]
that was the most glorious thing ive ever seen...
This is the *best* CNC router video I've ever seen. More!
In fact the movie title melody that it reminded me about, was from Brødre (Brothers), a Danish war movie from 2004.
This melody Iguazu was used in Collateral with Tom Cruise also from 2004.
Thanks for getting my mind started up again on this issue! :-)
Love the music!
That is so cool!
I can't stop watching this vid!
Amazing !!
Espectacular!.👍
A M A Z I N G !!!
wow, thats awsome
amazing......
Very nice
To look one pleasure
I think just about everyone was taken off guard on that!!!!
cool!
Where's Goku? This is misleading.
Hahaha I was waiting for someone to say that
hahahah
@uraijit In the video, they did use indexing holes and pins. The side being machined first has two small holes, and at 00:22-00:23 , when the body is flipped over, when watching in slo-mo you'll notice two metal pins that fit perfectly . It also looks like the grooves on the working surface are destined to channel the air while vacuum-clamping. This being said, it is outrageous to pay up to 6000 bucks for a CNC'ed instrument, the same thing is happening to guitars as it already happened to computers and such, we're just paying for a name and supposedly also for technology, even though CNCing a guitar in the industry has been common practice for a while and is not "the next level introduced by D.Zelinksy".
awesome work, what programs do you use for body design and cnc machining. thanks
A savings in time (and thus, money, plus tool life savings) could be realized by rough cutting the body shape with a bandsaw prior to setting up the body in the fixture. It works just fine for PRS, and it'll work just fine for anybody.
exactly, dude
Anyone know the name of the CNC router that's being used?
Awesome. Can you explain the table and why it is the way it is? Vacuum system?
Fast and Furious, But Beautyful as Always !
a great project, how long does it take to machine the whole guitar.
We have to give a shout ot to Hartley Peavey (Yup the guy from Peavey) who pioneered the use of CNC machines to make guitars. He figured that if you make the guitars with CNC machines, you could keep the costs down and make it so everybody could afford a first class instrument.
Sadly, Peavey these days is in a bad state, having to move their guitar production to Asia, ironically because it was becoming too expensive to make the guitars in the old plant.
Guitars were being made on CNC machines before Peavey.
@@robertturner1550 Nope, look up the footage of the Fender facory in the fifties, no CNC machines there, heck look up footag of the Fender factory in the seventies, STILL no CNC machines there.
@zMPHz those were the eXACT words in my head before i scrolled down to comments haha
@0Heavy0Metal0 they may be the same final product, but all in all, the handmade ones have more sentimental value to its owner because of the time and effort put into the project. Whereas, machine made guitars are just straight up badass perfect for business and mass production. That's my sole opinion though. Yours may or may not differ. Just putting my thoughts out there.
Wow that was wicked. Soon I'll be cutting out some guitars with my CNC!
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I stupidly lost my password. I love any assistance you can give me.
@Jermaine Brixton instablaster ;)
@Santiago Micah Thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm.
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What's the story on the notch carved out on the bottom/right side (where a righty would rest the guitar on their leg)?
I love how Dean Z. left Dean because he was tired of their corporate stuff. I'm glad he's fighting the fight that matters, making guitars in the fires of hell for the most insane rock and rool! \m/
Have you used it for guitars at any point? I can imagine you could pump out ALOT with just a downloaded free guitar print
0:40 - 0:48 best part!:)
i wish i had a cnc that fast
A message to all you so called "purists": watch the Gibson guitar factory tour here on youtube and you'll see thousands of Les Pauls being made on CNC machines. Anyone who would discredit the process of using a router as "cheating" is just a pretentious fool. It is just a great way of getting accurate and repeatable guitars made in a speed friendly way. Theres no more honor in building it by hand, thats what makes us human, the ability to adapt and use tools. So go get your hand rasp, plainers, sand blocks, and any other primitive tool and lets see how quickly you have a instrument made.
With the correct tools, anyone can build an electric guitar, perfect as you've said. Therefore I don't like electric guitars, 'cause has no science: the REAL sound and resonance comes from sides thickness, tap tunning, etc.
Anyone can make electric guitars, even if you use a piece of cheap plywood, a piece of a tree, put together with the neck and install some pickpups. That's the reality. I've studied lutherie, I've built lots of acoustics, and I'm proud of it, and let me say you pal, tech is not better than experienced hands in woodworking.
Another results that came together 'in the pack' is leave without a man without a job.
Viva the tech! ¬¬
Ok so Seymour Duncan is just a fool winding copper? He just got lucky cause his pickups consistently sound amazing?... but theres no science?.... just blind creation i guess.
Im talking about wood mister...not electronics.
Well, someone who is experienced with a hand-router and template won't take much longer than the CNC will on non-carved top guitars. A carved top is the only real time-consuming part done by hand, but even that can be done pretty quickly with a proper template and a grinder. There are plenty of guitar companies that don't use CNCs because they consist of skilled, passionate luthiers.
I though this was filming *my* Bolero in the making... but not :-). I want to see mine, a bolero crocskin, being manufactured :)
I can't say how THEY did it. It looked like the plate might have been a vacuum table, which eliminates clamping.
The way *I* would do it would be to drill some indexing holes on the first side and use dowel pins to locate it so that it would line up properly with the other side when flipped. Assuming you've programmed your gcode properly, it will machine the inverse side from the same reference point, and you'll be golden.
They may have a more sophisticated system than that...
@joshendy Where are you getting a CNC. I've been looking all over and can't find anything affordable. Also, are there guitar design downloads to get you started or do you have to design a guitar body from scratch?
I am very curious to know how to turn de guitar so we can mill the back. How you do it? What is this plate in the working table?
could u teatch how to draw it in the CAD ?
IDK how long it took to program the CNC machine, however I have a 3D printer that works on similar principles (guessing gcode).
Software does most of the 'setting up' from geometry in 3D modelling aps.
3d software, Art & design skills,.. in a sense is the setting up.
Obviously there are tweaks.. but it's mostly design/research, once people have established a good workflow.
unlike in the past where a machine's every move needed operator input.
google cnc software for examples.
(often free BTW)
Una consulta, cuales son las especificaciones técnicas de CNC que utiliza. Gracias saludos
hello what extent the work area? that the machine model used?
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is that vacuum what holds body still?
Deadwood theme. Win.
Is there an over-cut or an error between the lower horn and lower bout?
Santaolalla song!!
These guitars can do a kamehameha. DBZ!!
@ghigaful
a soul or a CNC ?
X)
Good afternoon friends!
I am from Brazil and would like to know where I can get a CNC machine with this one for me, because I am a manufacturer of artificial fishing baits and this machine would help me a lot to make the baits in balsa wood, could you help me?
Thank you very much in advance.
Flávio Alves.
Does anyone know what kind of CNC machine this is?
I am told it is a Masterwood 2.45 S.
I’m having a hell of a time getting the scaling right on my CNC. Software says measurements are dead on but the end result is oversized.
Look at your units or scale factor. Often overlooked and could be the problem. I’ve ran gcode before and the size was wrong and 9/10 that was my problem
@@JohnRobertson22 But what if you want to rout out the back as well, like how do you make sure its 100% aligned with the front?
@@maurice970 you could make 2 register plates (one for the front and one for the back) that slot into specific holes on your waste board that would allow you to flip it over and maintain perfect alignment. I’m sure there are better ways, that’s just what comes to mind right off
@@maurice970 As recommended below, use register plates...I would go one further...tool your table setup (mdf) to reference tabs for the programed alignment.
Where can I get cad data for a les Paul?
But what if you want to rout out the back as well, like how do you make sure its 100% aligned?
those holes drilled through the body blank sit on two pins sticking out of the table. He routed the back cavities then flipped it over - it was aligned because the pins are in the same holes but from the other side
@@garethwood5588 Sorry I never got notified, thanks for letting me know!
I was expecting a customized Dragonball Z guitar..still pretty legit though.
can i find out what year my bolero was made from the serial ? i would be very grateful if anyone can help me :)
Fucking hell!
could this be done with an x-carve by inventables?
not really
It can but you have to make sure your diminsions are correct.
What is this CNC machine manufacturer? I am looking to purchase one to build custom guitars.
Chadgadzini masterwood
When I read the title, my first reaction was "Cool! A Dragon Ball Z guitar!". I was disappointed.
I would take a smaller piece of wood that is a lot of waisted fine wood. Looks good though
What model CNC?
Just 1day you will have your own guitar with this machine.
lo comprata e ben fatta
you work is amazing dont get me wrong. but you dont get the craftmanship in these guitars which i can get over but still it would allow you to up the price and add that nice touch
Can we get the file?
actually he is creating guitars , so you can ask him for that :P
how much is it(bolero)
0:43 missed a spot
Close, but that's composed by Jesper Kyd... this music is made by Gustavo Santaolalla; called Iguazu.
what song is that??
whys the control cavity so big when theres only 2 controls?
Maybe for active pickups?
I could be wrong, but alot of companies use the same cavity on different guitars just for ease of use. It is alot easier not to have to rewrite the code for a non essential part of the guitar. And by non essential, i mean that the shape of the cavity really doesnt matter as long as it is big enough and is routed where it was intended to be.
Because this guitar comes with coil tap switch so it needs extra wiring
Dillon Cordova I've never seen any boleros with separate coil tap switches. push pull pots maybe, but they don't take up that much space.
gustavo zantaolaya o jaime torres
@bobd1311 I built my own CNC machine, you can see it in my channel. If you want to buy a good CNC generally they aren't cheap. Even building my own cost me a fair bit and took better part of 2 years. You also need to design the guitar yourself, you can get downloads of designs but in reality you need to do all the design and CAM work. Its quite a learning curve but extremely rewarding.
No I haven't, although making a guitar was an original intention. printer I have (makerbot) is too small (prototypes, toys & fixing stuff) + plastic is not an ideal guitar medium.
Ideas like spraying wood dust with super glue from print nozzle is one idea for making guitar bodies.
watch?v=ixuO-4IBRHg
& CNC machine for necks/fretboard.
There are many DIY CNC/printer designs on YT(& web).. needn't be expensive.
watch?v=AGYKe11JUVo
will make mine more rigid & improve on designs though.
what do one of these baddies go for?
awesome, i play lefty to! grat point about the geography,
around 75,000
I have an idea... Honor your name and make a guitar with a Dragon Ball Z theme PLEASEEEEEEE
Nice to have money . . .
Anyone else want to see a goku themed guitar tho?
At what point does a Luthiers become a machine operator?
When the only hand work done on the instrument is sanding and installing the frets.
is the end of the world , because everything is possible nowadays !!!!
so this guitar isn't hand built then?
Very few guitars are truly "hand built".
A few 10000 bucks :)
The music sounds like a sound track... just can't remember what...
Where is Dragon Ball Z guitar?
Barely even needs a sanding!
If the machine does it so easily then why aren't their more lefties. I would die for a left handed Bolero. Way better than a Gibson.
Please please, c'mon Diamond.
It takes making a new fixture and program for the machine as well. I suspect that recovering the cost of just those two things would be fairly difficult with the low volume of Lefty models sold. That is not even taking into account that the machine could be making a very much more sellable righty model instead. Sorry bro, must be tough to be a lefty guitarist sometimes.
Just for everyone that jumps on the "anyone can do that". No, you can't.
Why do you think there are people trained for years to operate CNC machines properly.
I can sit you in front of a 300.000€ machine or the CAM Software on a workstation and you can't do shit! Programming such stuff is hard work! A course to learn new software costs around 5k for a week training.
The problem nowadays is that you can't make a living out of 100% handmade guitars. These machines make it possible to make precise copies of a certain guitar shape. Like every SG, LesPaul or Stratocaster you buy from the big companies. Still, these companies run those machines while counting the seconds till it spits out a guitar. Thats why the shapes and quality isn't that good.
Those Guitars or Kit-Guitars are a way of giving out precision guitars for a fair price and save a lot of time for the luthier. Luthiers will do lots of additional work on a guitar. Those machines give them the chance to still make handmade guitars in smaller numbers while they protect their job with the kit guitars or budget models.
Every CNC-based guitar from a good luthier will always exceed the guitars of the huge companies that are only counting money and use slaves in foreign countries to max their profit.
Also think about the possibilites. A luthier can invest a year while doing the regular guitars on creating a new model to perfection, maybe 1000+ hours of work. He would never have the time to make one exactly as good as the first one. But the machine can do the rough shape of that Master-Guitar and give people the opportunity to play a out of this world instrument for less money, cause he needs less hours to make it.
This is almost entirely bullshit.
I can set up and run CAM for this simple, two-step profiling and pocketing job in under an hour.
It's horribly unoptimized and doesn't look like it's taking any sort of time constraint into account, otherwise you'd see multiple roughing passes with large endmills.
I’ve used a CNC machine with no training. I also have an elementary grade knowledge of CAM/CAD software. I can tell you 100% I can recreate this to an almost exact copy. The only difference between me and the expert is I’ll take significantly longer to do it.
Not only did I learn enough to operate the mills at my work in under a week, it's one of the easiest jobs I've had, I also ended up going to school for it and only paid $1200 for the YEAR of classes which didnt teach me much I didnt already know AND I know people who do make a living making handmade guitars.
Sorry, but most of what you've said is just wrong.
Sounds like maybe "onpsxmember" tried and failed? Instead of tearing people down, maybe you should consider lifting them up. CNC operators started by learning through training and then applying their skills. Nice try being the Debbie downer though.
Thumbs up if you thought this was going to be Dragon Ball Z related.
Assassins Creed 2, perhaps?
need cloth to wipe desk ... o.O
i came here expecting a dragon ball guitar