@@L-eye-t He got quite mad at Cosmo's Attack of the Clones review. "No! You skipped-NO!" *deep sigh* followed by sobbing "The long tribe can't handle it"
Little Leia: "I don't trust you even though you broke into a place I was being held at great risk to yourself to release me, said you know my father, and don't try to manhandle me." Also Little Leia: "We should totally trust this random stranger who just so happens to have a solution to our problem which would be of incredible risk to himself! Why are you so suspicious, Kenobi?"
And somehow the show paints her as being reasonable in both instances and has Obi-Wan agree with her about the cargo transport... because she reminded him of Padme apparently. Riiight.
Say what you will about George Lucas but he did care about the universe and the fans. That's why we've seen so many series ruined over the years, they got taken over by people who couldn't care less about them let alone the fans of them.
Yeah most people need to own up to the fact that they didn't understand what Lucas put out, and just wanted remakes of the OT. You're correct, so much potential. But not if Disney is involved.
I think visions did what most of us expected from star wars shows coming from Disney, the episodes had many different ideas and were quite nice to watch, but most things live action wise, are completely awful
That's something people I've asked can't seem to explain properly. They support yea he hasn't done anything for years of course he's weak and rusty. But the problem is how are you meant to train some if you are incompetent.
also if the plan is to train Luke at the right time so that one day the Jedi can come back why was Kenobi so quick to tell the other jedi in ep 1 to get lost? Wouldn't strength in numbers be a good thing? Can luke be the only hope for the return of the Jedi and why?
@@eamon4800 I still don't know what the fuck to think about that guy. How does he just know where Obi-Wan is, only a handful of people in the galaxy should know who that is. I already have issues beyond the shit Disney took, because if your a jedi. Specifically one of the most public jedi in the Clone Wars why would you keep the facial hair that makes you easily recognizeable. Face modification tech exists and was utilized in the Clone Wars to disguise himself as a bounty hunter. Or you could literally shave your fucking facial hair, and buy actual clothes besides jedi associated garbs. But that's just a issue made before Disney bought the property. But I don't know how you can properly explain through dialogue how he knows where OBi-Wan is. If he knows that information he is a LIABILITY. Which feels like they completely fucked up because Inquisitors would torture him and find out Kenobi is indeed on the planet. But instead they just killed him apparently and hung him up, or he killed himself take your pick I guess.
@@Jedioutcast That's another thing it's the fucking TLJ bullshit all over again. Qui gon wouldn't just sit back for 10 years watching OBI-Wan doing completely nothing. That doesn't make sense for his character at all.
This show feels like missing a long deceased friend. Miraculously, he returns from the grave and you're just overjoyed to hear his voice again. However as you see the differences in his mannerisms, you begin to suspect that they may not be not be what you thought. However, you've missed them so much that you don't want to come to terms with the fact that there's a monster masquerading as your friend.
Oh he does kill her at the end of the show after she has beaten Kenobi by outwitting him and could have killed Luke ( much like when Luke is standing over Ben all those years later ) but she decides she won`t because of PTSD and her just being the next bestest ever. She then tries to con Vader into believing she killed Kenobi and he slices and dices her, giving her a noble death unlike Lukes fart on the wind.
@@siegeperilous5786 New leaks from the same site that wrote those old ones say she will live and the whole show is getting a Season 2. I hope they don't have Vader spare her lol
@@Unknown-hb3id Not in a universe with real royalty that's above 99% of plebs. Especially in Empire where you can be executed for much less than claiming tittle that doesn't belong to you.
@@Edax_Royeaux correct. I was referring more to how that word might also draw attention to these two. Especially on a planet full of criminals and the Empire
@@Сайтамен To play Devil's Advocate, you don't need to know, or even suspect, that you have the Force to be able to use it in subtle ways; Anakin Skywalker was a skilled pilot even as a child, because he could use the Force, even before he knew that was a thing. That doesn't make it okay, of course. Bad things are bad, and stupid things are stupid, regardless if there's evidence. But you haven't completely defeated the argument.
@@Сайтамен Senate in Roman Empire: "Actual authority of the imperial Senate was negligible, as the Emperor held the true power of the state. As such, membership in the senate became sought after by individuals seeking prestige and social standing, rather than actual authority. During the reigns of the first Emperors, legislative, judicial, and electoral powers were all transferred from the "Roman assemblies" to the Senate. However, since the control that the Emperor held over the senate was absolute, the Senate acted as a vehicle through which the Emperor exercised his autocratic powers. The legislative powers of the Imperial Senate were principal of a financial and an administrative nature, although the senate did retain a range of powers over the provinces. The Senate could also regulate festivals and religious cults, grant special honors, excuse an individual (usually the Emperor) from legal liability, manage temples and public games, and even enact tax laws."
@@Edax_Royeaux Yeah they got a raw deal with Caesar and then Octavian. Republican Senate had real power (deciding who the consuls were) along with all the minutia you mentioned. Caesar chopped the balls off the Republic and the plebs loved him for it smfh. Never been a fan of the Empire post 1st century CE.
@@apocryphicdeath I do consider it a neat detail that the first line of Emperors were not sons of the previous, often not even blood relatives. Emperors of the Julio-Claudian dynasty were chosen on the basis of being the best leader and were groomed to be the next Emperor. It was a far superior system to the one Europe would adopt, where the first son of the Monarch would almost always inherit the kingdom no matter how inept or disinterested.
Clone Wars has its own issues, but one of the best arcs in the show is Kenobi faking his death and joining a group of bounty hunters using a disguise, and seeing him subtly use the force and stay hidden creates a lot of tension. This show could actually still have its Leia plot, but instead, Bail hires a bunch of bounty hunters, and then asks Kenobi to disguise himself as a bounty hunter and also go after her, to make sure none of the other bounty hunters learn anything about Leia, while also saving her in the process
@@ColorlessRonin True, but any action obi wan takes that isn't sitting on tatooine leaves luke unprotected. Probably, shouldn't make this show at all....but ya know
No, you're right. They SHOULDN'T know that Vader is Anakin. It's a very, very well kept Secret that only a few People ever figured out. Tarkin actually had his suspicions that Vader and Anakin might be the same Person, but he had no Evidence and wisely took that Knowledge with him when the Deathstar exploded.
@@johannesseyfried7933 Tarkin worked with Anakin and Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars. And in New Hope Vader tells him "My master Obi-Wan is here", Tarkin responds "You are all what is left from Jedi" So he definitely knows.
@@HoHhoch Which brings up a point I made in the last video. Anakin was tasked with killing all the younglings before going to Mustafar, so how did Obi-Wan save that group in the first episode?
I love how they also take a bite (or a few bites) out of Obi-Wan along the way, by doing the child-prodigy Leia thing. Not only making him look incompetent when trying to keep her safe, but when she psychoanalyzes him, he's dumbstruck by a 10-year-old being insightful? Uh... he's a Jedi? He grew up around Jedi. They're all little child-prodigies, and capable of deeper thought than most kids their age. Why would this trait in Leia be perplexing to Obi-Wan? He's seen it his whole life.
The connection between Obi-Wan and Bail is explained in A New Hope: "you worked for him once, in your capacity as a peacekeeper for the government, of which he's part". That's it. The idea that they have a connection, that they're friends, is... odd.
It's an idea born from TCW and the novels related to it. I remember in one novel, Anakin, Padme, Bail, and Obi-Wan ate even ate a chummy dinner together like friends. Very odd.
@@Unknown-hb3id Even at that, it gets even more odd once you consider that Vader would also know just how chummy Obi and Bail were. Why wouldn't Vader exploit this connection? Especially when someone like Reva can find it out
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 Yep. TCW has its series of serious flaws, and the novels have lots of their own too. (Idk if these novels are canon or not - hard to tell canonicity when it comes to Clone Wars stuff.)
Given the Civil War, you'd be strained not to find a planet government or Senator that didn't have some connection to Obi-Wan. Vadar could have literally threatened Owen if he wanted to go down this track.
So a fun little fact I realized recently. Bail could have gotten Ashoka to retrieve Leia. At this time Bail knows Ashoka is alive and she is an active agent of the Rebellion. There was no reason for Bail to ask Kenobi to forgo his mission to get Leia. The writers probably don't realize this but then again I don't think they thought through how much damage they done to Bail for this plot to happen.
I mean if the Grand Inquisitor stays dead then they have basically made Star Wars Rebels non-canon. I don't think they would care too much about continuity
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 the thing I've seen from people defending this is that his species has 2 stomachs, so he's not dead. Idk how that works exactly, I've got 2 kidneys but if I get stabbed with a laser sword in one of them I'm probably screwed.
Even better, this happened after Leia was CONFIRMED to be part of the Rebel Alliance, since she was on an Alliance-affiliated Corellian Corvette carrying the Death Star plans, a Corvette that Vader (retroactively via Rogue One) SAW detaching from and fleeing the Mon Calamari Cruiser that led the Rebel assault on Scarif. He can CONFIRM that Leia is a traitor and part of the Rebel Alliance and yet he still gets critiqued by an Imperial Officer for such a brazen move. At the point where Reva arranges her kidnapping, Leia's an innocent, 10 year old princess of a powerful and influential Alderaanian Senator, at a time when the Imperial Senate was still operating and had at least some power. There's absolutely NO way the Empire would take that lying down, and no way Reva wouldn't get at the very least punished SEVERELY, if not outright EXECUTED, by her fellow Inquisitors or Vader himself, for such a half-baked move.
Pragmatically, kidnapping a Senator is a bit different than kidnapping a Senator's daughter in terms of ramifications. Also I think it's fair to say in Episode 4, tensions in the galaxy were a bit higher, such an overt move could prompt an escalation by the Rebel Alliance. If the Rebels still have Senators influencing things in the Senate, as long as they retain some diplomatic options for reform, than they may be less inclined to war.
@@Edax_Royeaux i would say it's worse, because empire was formed on promises of peace and order and there you have daughter of senator a very influential one gets kidnapped and can be traced back to rogue inquisitor
@@jakubgrzybek6181 Rogue Inquisitor being the keyword. This actions wasn't sanctioned by the Empire, meaning it was just a lone actor involved. There's always the one person that'll do a crazy thing, it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. But when the Empire is kidnapping Senators and dissolving the Imperial Senate, the die is cast.
The inquisitor being stabbed and layed out, eyes out dead, yet still being completely fine in rebels somehow. Also he really just stood there and took that stab huh.
@@mryellow6918 I like the idea that they train them to just sit there and let people stab them in the chest. Like the Jedi teach you to parry (pussy shit), we’re gonna teach you to not even flinch like a boss
A City Government employee before the planet gets locked down: "All signals in and out are blocked" 20 minutes later Obi-Wan after the planet gets locked down: "I sent a message to your father" So was Obi-Wan lying to Leia, or did the writers just forget that one line they put in to explain why he couldn't just bee line to the ship he was tracking?
Yeah, they are fucking up the plotline again big time. The reason Obi-wan went to Tatooine because Vader would never go back there making it the perfect place to hide, in other words the whole reason Obi-wan is on Tatooine to begin with is because he knows Vader/Anakin is alive. The people writing SW don't know shit about it.
Tatooine wasn't a member of the Republic due to it's remote location as pointed out in Episode 1. That would naturally make it a good place to hide, the people on the planet wouldn't be Imperial citizens.
@@Сайтамен Especially if word of the Inquisitors has spread to Tatooine. There is no reason word of Darth Vader, the emperors fucking right hand and most zealous of Jedi hunters shouldn't have made it there as well.
Obi-Wan didn't know Anakin survived. The kids were separated so Palpatine wouldn't know, and as the OT stated, because the kids would be a threat to him if trained.
This entire thing is stupid. In ANH Leias messgae starts with: "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the empire." That is not the thing you would say to the dude you had an adventure with when you were a kid. Unless, at the end of this mess, Kenobi kablows her a load of that weird "forget stuff" drug. Which would be funny I suppose.
@@benjamingrant5970 Also, why would the drug selectively make her forget about just Kenobi? My impression of the drug is it would make you forget about everything because you'd be tripping so hard.
Just remember that SOMEHOW Obi-Wan couldn’t put two and two together when it comes to Vader and has to hear it from Reva (Who would have been personally killed by said Sith Lord for even KNOWING about that information) despite him seeing the security footage of Anakin’s rampage and Yoda calling him Vader as well. That’s not something Obi-Wan would ever forget, even in exile.
He knew that Anakin was Vader, but didn't necessarily know he survived Mustafar. Which is still stupid, he should've just finished him off. Failing that, you'd think he'd still sense his presence out there in the Galaxy. But to hear it from Reva is just bad. No emotional payoff there whatsoever.
@@defeqel6537 I know that’s a joke, but they even put friggin flashbacks to the prequels in the prior episode So they really are blatantly ignoring the prequels despite using them to prop the show
They want Leia to be as cute and compelling as Newt from Alien--a smart, elusive survivor. Instead, she's a wobbly, annoying know-it-all. Obi Wan is forced to play the idiot to a child in his own show. Sigh.
I find leia to be very well written. She is as impulsive and idiotic as a 10yo would be while being as brave and insightful as i would expect baby leia to be
@@MrNoobthenub You and I have a very different understanding of how to write a smart, insightful, interesting ten year-old girl. This is a prime example if what not to do.
Leia is a 10 year old girl who has been abducted and held in solitary confinement by a group of mercenaries, but it doesn't even phase her. Instead of being visibly shaken and relieved that this nightmare situation has someone rescuing her, she is a funny chatterbox with zero awareness of the situation they are both in, and then decides legitimately FOR NO REASON Obi Wan must be a bad guy. It wasn't their intention to make Leia such an unlikably bad character - it's just like Batwoman where the writers themselves are psychopaths who don't understand what humans are
@@username45739 "you're just nit picking over the writers being so fucking lazy that they can recycle action movie story lines and don't even care if it's a 10 year old girl put into the situation"
@@username45739 No one said it's a plot hole. I feel like you don't understand what a plot hole is. This is an argument about the inconsistency in her character and logic. She seems strong and smart for one instance, but then make stupid decision right after. She seems skeptical about Obiwan, but then decide to trust a complete stranger. The writers want her to appear smart and capable beyond her age, but they can't. Instead they make people around her act more dumb and incapable in her presence.
@@Soft_Ghost "No one said it's a plot hole. I feel like you don't understand what a plot hole is. This is an argument about the inconsistency in her character and logic." I thought plot hole was a slang term for just that sort of thing? "She seems strong and smart for one instance, but then make stupid decision right after." As far as I remember, she was smart in her own socialite turf and not in the whole Taken and danger turf (though still all questionable choices for this character of course). "She seems skeptical about Obiwan, but then decide to trust a complete stranger." Whom again? Maybe I forgot sth lol "The writers want her to appear smart and capable beyond her age, but they can't. Instead they make people around her act more dumb and incapable in her presence." Don't they just make lots of people look dumb by default? Which of those instances was specifically to make her look smart by contrast?
@@thomasbarron4230 pretty massive retcon to off a villain for an entire season for a very popular show.. sigh.. I hate it so much. I loved the grand inquisitor in rebels.
The thing that baffles me is that Bail directly met with Obi-wan and Bail didn't give some kind of item or symbol so that Leia would know Obi-wan is to be trusted?
Do they know about the Grand Inquisitor being a antagonist in rebels. A prior jedi temple guard who knows a variety of lightsaber styles, and has years of experience. Gets stabbed in the gut by some nobody. And is somehow expected to still be alive in rebels.
@@socialjihad5724 Just saying if I were Grand Inquisitor I would have reprimanded her at the first instance of insubordination and relegate her solely to Holocron duty as a glorified librarian. If she went further than that I’d have her walled by Purge Troopers.
I actually think there's a potential for a way more interesting story where the Empire, in their mad quest to hunt down the last Jedi, especially Obi-Wan, they mass-recruit and train amateur Sith, like these Inquisitors, and send them out into the universe and do the Empire's bidding, and sus out the remaining Jedi. Obi-Wan, who of course would take a much more active role in trying to undermine the Empire during this time, earns a reputation for frequently evading a defeating Inquisitors, and eventually becomes like the Boogeyman to them.
@@koatam Well it's not that he's old, more that he's cut himself off from the force. If it was that difficult to lift Leia then fighting against a sith he'd probably be screwed.
It’s all way out of Obiwan’s self righteous character. Obiwan said Siths are his “specialty.” He’s not afraid of the dark side. Not even a tiny bit. Now, he has to check his shorts if someone raises their voice
Well I could buy the change after 10 years of hiding, he's living a life of fear rn so it'd definitely do things to him. If I was Obi I'd be way more intimidated by the dark side if it took over Anakin, decimated the Jedi Order and forced me into hiding for 10 years. Especially if I don't have a strong connection to the force anymore (for some reason)
@@calumbarry1829 I have seen people make the argument that he cut himself from the force Like Jake Skywalker in the sequels, but it doesn't make self, because he tries to use the force to contact Qui-Gon's force ghost in episode 1. I could excuse his weak connection to the force considering the circumstances, but he is just dumb in this series especially in episode 3 when a 10 year old does the talking instead of a character that was known for his wit and even nicknamed the negotiator, but know he couldn't even talk his way out of a paper bag FFS. Another beloved character tarnished.
I too laughed out loud at Reva taunting Obi-Wan. Jesus how does someone write this with the intention of making an intimidating bad guy? They set themselves up for people hating this character. It's not because she's a woman or black, it's because she's written to be the most 12-year-old's-OC ever.
It does not work because it is not in Line with her Character. There are two Reasons for a Character to start singing when he Hunts. He is a Psycho who enjoys scaring his Prey or he is simply a silly Person who enjoys the Hunt itself. But in both Cases the main Trait is jolliness. But up until this Point she was always serious, stern and showed no pleasure in hurting other People. This is what makes this Moment so jarring.
@@XaldirGodofGood I don't get her at all. Tatooine shows her to be brash, wanting results immediately, having no restraint or ability to use citizens to the Inquisitors' benefit. But with the bounty hunters she hires, she's playing the long game, being relatively patient, understated... Like, she could do *anything* in future episodes. I have no gauge for what her style is. Combine that with me already having a pretty good idea of her motivation for hating Obi-Wan (if I and many others are right about it, it's going to stink), and she's just such a flatline of a character.
@@kylefrank638 She is always that what the Writer wants her to be at any given Point, so he can get the Scenes and Moments he wants at any point he wants. I have seldom seen a case so glaringly obvious as this.
@@XaldirGodofGood "But up until this Point she was always serious, stern and showed no pleasure in hurting other People. This is what makes this Moment so jarring." There was some malicious sarcasm when interrogating Owen, and the later episodes as well - however that was a much better scene, whereas the "come out wherever you are" was kind of a cliche that didn't really fit. Wasn't awful, but kind of mediocre.
By the way, in Boba Fett they said that 1 square feet box of spice is worth more than Freetown. So of course Ewan's daughter will give him a pint for free...
That is how some drug dealers work though. They give them a free taste in order to get you addicted, then they'll be stuck selling off their wife, their daughter, whatever to get the next fix.
The problem with Reva's performance is that it's too over the top with the confident and determined persona they want her to have, but not wild enough for a overzealous persona. If you want her to act rebellious and angry, you need her performance to have at least a bit of manic intensity, a sense that the person is actually irrationally unhinged, not just "I act angry"
They say ship signals which are at least on paper their own thing. (How a ship transponder is starkly different to coms I don’t know) but a genuinely stupid thing about that is that this planet is clearly in the empire it has imperial forces stationed their and apparently a fleet near by. So how in the hell is it logical or even allowed by the empire for a system they control to block all ship signals. It would make everything harder for the empire for zero gain on their part. Tracking suspect ships, following ships fleeing to or from the system as it blocks it both ways, coordinating their own ship movements, just knowing what the hell is even going on a round the planet. A hostile force could have an entire fleet around the system and the empire never know.
Anakin was full of hubris and arrogance and it was portrayed as a “dark side material”. Young Leia was full of hubris and arrogance and it was portrayed as a good thing.
It's not even the kid's fault, it's that she's only 6 or something, and physicially can't run that fast. I'd even buy a preteen outrunning an adult rather than someone her age.
To be fair, I think she had stunted legs. She was 7 while filming this, playing a 10 year old, but runs like a toddler. The casting is downright insulting for every party involved.
Meanwhile in a different universe, where the inquisitors are smart: “Hey you incredibly poor desert people, there’s this Jedi war criminal on the prowl and we’re looking for him. Point him out and we’ll reward you handsomely.”
Dis+ Originals really are the embodiment of 'fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me', but were on what? fool me seventh?. Its always the same: the first episode is deceptively mediocre with a few promising qualities (at least on first viewing anyways), episode 2 dips in quality significantly, then the bottom drops out in episode 3 and all hope is gone. You think they actual care? This is assembly line content meant to fill quotas, like a boring middle school book report. There's no malice in this show, just concentrated passionless apathy.
The thing with the 501st clone really bothered me. The 501st became known as "Vader's Fist" and remained in use where most of them i believe died on the original death star, (maybe that was retconned) so why would their be a homeless one other than Rex? Also how would he not recognize Obi Wan immediately?
I did a dangerous thing and went to a pro-kenobi video on UA-cam. The question was brought up of why the clone trooper missed 3 shots in the opening scene and the response I saw was "The brain-chips caused them to lose their training by becoming pure killing machines." Please Elon hurry with the neurallink chips, these people need you
I'm all for using established information to infer some things which aren't explicitly shown or described, but holy shit, these people take it to such a degree that even I can't fathom where their standards would ever allow for calling something "bad" or "wrong" in any way.
It's clear that the entire point of Disney Star Wars was to rewrite the Canon to make Leia the center of everything. TLJ, the fact that TRoS was supposed to be "her movie", how young Leia is treated here while utterly disrespecting Luke. This is intolerable
I forgot if it was this episode or the first, but when they said “she is just as important as he[Luke] is”….nobody said she wasn’t, who were they tryin to convince.
I love the fact how they ascended into another level of fluff-breaking. Mandalorian and Book Boba Fett quite-openly ignored the Comic and Novel stuff, what Disney already had. Fine, it's from Favreau and Filoni, the two idiots did this since 2008. Now they contradict their own comic canon of Kenobi and even their own other animated series: Rebels, by seemingly just killing the Grand Inquisitor 4 years earlier, than he supposed to die. But from a story perspective i don't understand is, what were they thinking in the writers room, when they decided to "kill" him? Everyone can look up, that the guy is still alive in Rebels, so it wouldn't mean any surprise to anyone if they bring him back later. Or they are really didn't cared about this and killed him. Either way, i don't know why they choose to do this, because there isn't any way out of this situation, when they didn't come out as complete hacks.
Guys ... Whatsherface in Mando was shot in the guts in a desert and left for dead, got carted on a slow ass bantha to a ripperdoc, got her guts replaced with pipes and she was just fine. They can handwave away his survival easily after the show is done.
The thing is they did not only ignore the EU what does not surprise me since they said it does not matter. But they broke their own Canon in The Mandalorian : Dinjarin its the child of the Death Watch, who are following old mandalorian tradition, Except in The Clone Wars the Death Watch was a paramilitary organisation aka terrorist group who tried to over throw the Pacifist Government of Mandalore and not taking off their helmets aka "This is a the way" its shit was not a thing because they were removing their helmets like any other Mandalorian Clan. Not to mention in Rebels Sabine gave Bo Katan the Blacksaber withouth a fight what In The Mandalorian is not possible but only through combat to death. More than these Favrou and Feloni are pissing on their own show too : in the episode Chapter 4: Sanctuary Cara Dune is asking Mando "what would happen if you remove your helmet ? they will come for you and kill you "? and Mando replied "No... I will never be able to put it back on" . Yeah sure. This is how well the so called "Saviours" of Star Wars treat and know their own show. Disney is a fooking circus lead by clowns ... for clowns and zombies.
By keeping Leia's abduction a secret, and only telling Obi-Wan, they have made it explicitly clear that Bale and Obi-Wan communicate to one another. The OT cannot happen after this series of events. It's over. The final episode is going to contrive some other worldly bullsxxt to ensure Vader forgets this entire interaction and the Bale-Obi connection.
That's what I'm thinking, and it gives me a big migraine thinking about it. The only way this doesn't break the story of the original Star Wars is that every character in this show inhales massive amounts of the bullshit "Forget-Me" drug.
It's worse--The very same/next day Bail GOES TO TATOOINE directly to Obi-Wans desert cave! If Reva even had a hunch Bail and Kenobi were friends, she would have been tracking Bail. Hell, wasn't she still on Tatooine at the time? Disney writers are all hacks
Not sure why but that moment where the crew got silent as Kenobi gave the clone some credits made me feel something. Not sure what to call it but it's like there was almost something really profound that could be made of that moment. Not that Disney would understand.
A general and a soldier, amongst the last remnants of formerly great warriors who fought together to protect the Republic and in their eyes the galaxy. Who despite their service were discarded to obscurity and squalor respectively as a fugitive/beggar by factors ultimately beyond their control. Already the parallels could tell a great story, and that’s before even getting into Order 66
I don't think clones especially not the 501st would just be thrown out. I'm certain Vader would at least keep the 501st troopers. It was great how they handled this in classic SWBFII, clones who remained were freed but 501st chose to stay and were Vader's personal troops until they were stationed on the Death Star and exploded.
I almost wanted the clone to say "Thank you..." and when Kenobi turned away add a quiet, "...General." I mean, a clone should know who Kenobi is by sight, even if he wasn't involved in any of the units that Kenobi dealt with. And having the clone acknowledge who he is, but not try to raise alarm (even given the high credit wanted poster for 'Ol Ben) would be a nice nod to the clone trooper's sense of honor and the realization that enacting Order 66 was a mistake. But maybe that would've been too much, I don't know. It could definitely come across as lame.
"The Wattpad of Watto: Episode 2" *Fade in* Watto, having taken Jar Jar's mission to protect the girl Holdo, travels to the planet f76gtybuhjmkl*. She has been taken hostage by milk monsters from the planet Ahch-To and so he needs to save her. He finds an unlikely ally in Elan Sleazebaggano, who agrees to help him if he buys some death sticks. They rescue Holdo, but she is not convinced that he is actually a junk trader, telling Watto that he is reckless and impulsive. She demotes him, even though he isn't in the military. After this, she takes a bunch of death sticks and runs away at ludicrous speed, trying to perform this mysterious manoeuvre Watto has heard so much about. Meanwhile, Darth Vader has hired the largest Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy, Jek Porkins, to hunt down Watto and get revenge for all the pod racing he had to endure on the sands of Tatooine. Watto manages to escape with Holdo but not before Porkins has a very slow battle with him where reveals that he knows a secret... that Little Orphan Ani is actually Darth Vader. *I just slammed my hand into the keyboard to come up with that name since I am out of ideas
laughing along with these people at that ridiculous child chase sequence in the last episode was the hardest I've laughed with the internet in some time.
Glass Hurricane This may come off as nitpicking but why have all of these SWs shows look so bad production wise?Between the shoddy CGI and awful prosthetics, you’re telling me that Disney couldn’t have afforded to sink some serious money into how it looked?
@@superapm9620 Exactly. Show someone shitting for 95% of the episode and show Vader for 5% of it and people are gonna go crazy over it and call it the best thing ever.
Actually, no. Vader was a big secret. When he shows up in Rebels several years later, they were at a complete loss as to how to deal with him, because they just had no idea who he was. And the only one in the Empire who should know that Anakin is Vader is Palpatine and possibly Tarkin. She should have no idea about any of that. Also, if they have actually killed the Grand Inquisitor, they just went and retconned all of Rebels for the sake of this show. And I know you'll never watch Rebels, and most of it isn't great, but there are some amazing Star Wars moments in that show sacrificed for the sake of this shit show.
Tarkin and Thrawn basically knew Vader was Anakin but they never asked or confirmed it. I remember one piece of EU stuff had Thrawn mention Anakin to Vader several times, teasing a reaction from him, and Thrawn basically had to drop it because he realised that Vader was gonna go beast mode on him
Tarkin definitely knew as did Yoda and therefore Kenobi but as to the others you are correct they likely would not have known but it is possible if they where at the temple, tenuous but possible but Kenobi certainly knew, it is the whole reason he is hiding on Tatooine because Anakin would not ever return there his past being what it was.
@@siegeperilous5786 I can easily see Obi Wan Yoda not knowing that Anakin survived, at least not for a long time. Last time Obi Wan saw him, he was left burning to death in the middle of nowhere on a lava planet.
@@Bleeds98 Granted but they both knew he was Lord Vader and they would of known that a Lord Vader was hunting down Jedi after the events in Sith, they watch a hologram at 1 hour 37 mins 41 seconds where Palpatine calls him Lord Vader so they definitely knew he was Vader. It is possible but it is very weak story telling I would say, they where not hiding from kittens on Tatooine and Dagobah they where hiding from Vader and the Emperor but specifically Vader.
I think a new annoyance for me is how they managed to make Leia seem so 'wise' and then so dumb at the same time. She was able to basically read her cousin's mind and school him one second, but the next she doesn't understand why Obi-wan can't use his lightsaber _in public_ and make her float _in public,_ as if she doesn't know about the whole Jedi-being-branded-as-criminals-by-the-Empire thing that's WIDELY WELL-KNOWN AFTER 10 YEARS, and then she just assumes he's a bad guy because all the other bad guys around them get a ping to hunt him down? Like I'm sorry, I thought she was supposed to be smart? You know, get a feel for people without really having to talk to them and make them cry from it? Isn't that literally how they set her up in the first episode?? God, it's so aggravating!
The more accurate Breaking Bad comparison would be that first use of red phosphorus with Krazy 8 and his cousin in the beginning (where the RV was actually gassed).
Killing off the Grand Inquisitor means star wars rebels isn't Canon. I see this as an absolute win! No more David fallonian self insert astromech, no more lame Darth Maul final fight, no more cringe for erza ever appearing again, no more Tharwn getting defeated by space whales hentaied him to death, and most importantly no more idoitic time traveling mcmuffins.
I thought the Obi-Wan/Darth Maul final duel was actually decent since it had the man at his peak with his affinity in the force but yeah everything else I can agree with.
Obi-Wan and Maul fight was actually a great part of the show (disregarding the whole Maul being alive thing, which is a TCW issue, not Rebels). Other stuff true though. Also, you know better. Don't you know that "nOoNe'S eVeR rEaLly gOnE"? They un-disintegrated Palps, Grand Inquisitor's just fine by their standards.
Seasons 2 and 3 are good. Characters had development, Thrawn was a great villain, they even killed two of main characters. Just at the end of season 4 everything went to shit because they needed to win somehow.
I'm not sure if it's ever touched on, but I reckon the Hutts don't give the Empire much credence when they are on their planets. As long as they don't outstay their welcome, and don't mess with business, they don't incur each other's wrath. The cartels know not to piss off the Empire too much, and the Empire does the same.
@@StalkerQtya exactly! Tatooine is Hutt space and one of the reasons Obi-Wan hid Luke there. Much less likely to have imperials around since they don't own the planet.
I like how Reva's plan hinges on Bail Organa asking Kenobi for help in order to lure him out when Bail could hire a military or mercenaries to rescue Leia.
The entire 'cutting yourself off from the Force' thing has really been watered down by Disney. From what I recall, it's supposed to be this really traumatic thing in and of itself to have that connection severed, not unlike losing a limb or a sense. Back in Legends, the protagonist in Kotor II was special for having cut him/herself off in order to not go insane or die from the backlash of being close to a planet being destroyed along with thousands of friends and comrades. Under most circumstances, no Jedi would deliberately do that to themselves just because they're sad, in fact the connection to the universe around them would be a comforting thing. However, the way it's being portrayed now it's like suffering trauma _and then_ cutting yourself off afterwards, as if pouring salt on the wound.
She pulled info straight out from his thoughts, so: Vader could have done it with Leia to find the rebel base Again, no need for Han to be tortured Kylo and the old man Kylo and Poe A friggin gazillion times that this just retconned into pointlessness.
The idea that there's people out there... who not only like this show... but also defend this show from criticism... I'm so ashamed of being the same species as them.
Okay, am I missing something, or is it a complete coincidence that the inquisitors - including Reva who has a special interest in Kenobi - were on Tatooine just a day or two before Reva enacted this plan to draw him out? As far as I could tell, the inquisitors didn’t actually suspect that Kenobi was on Tatooine or anything; it would seriously compromise A New Hope if they did. But I also feel like I have to be missing something important, because that’s actually insane if Reva was in Kenobi’s exact proximity (out of anywhere in the galaxy) by sheer chance. Someone please tell me I’m confused here, I’m begging you.
It is just really bad writing, shoehorning a narrative at it`s worst, they could have been anywhere in the galaxy it is the Grand Inquisitor scolding her that makes her refocus on Kenobi not her thinking he is on Tatooine.........that said they had to put it on Tatooine so that she can connect all the dots and find Luke there which she will do by the series end, so no ya not mad it is just the stupendously low quality of well everything across the board nowadays but particularly it is bereft of talent writing.
They skipped over the thing that frustrated me the most: NOBODY KNEW WHO DARTH VADAR WAS! Even Tarkin had to speculate about it. But this random Inquisitor knows!
Especially after the reaction to the second cartoon chase scene where Obi Wan can't catch up, I can't wait for their reaction to the dumb as fuck thing Obi wan did or said rather in front of Stormtroopers
I like how they preserved suspense with the death of the Grand Inquisitor with the logic "Aha! We could be just destroying cannon again but maybe this time we aren't and we just gave him a mechanical spleen lol tune in next time"
Why does Disney treat space travel and hyperdrive like fast travel? It severely shrinks the universe and means they skip out on the character building opportunities that the quiet periods of travel provide. It’s obnoxious to see them get onto a ship, followed by them immediately getting off of said ship at the other end.
Another writing issue is regarding Reva referencing Vader as Anakin: publicly, Vader is someone entirely different from Anakin, who died in Operation Knightfall as a hero of the Republic. The only people who know Vader is Anakin are Grand Moff Tarkin, Palpatine, and the rare higher-up in the Empire. Even Thrawn had to have it revealed to him by Palpatine shortly before his promotion to Grand Admiral. If it were public knowledge that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, it would be a nightmare of imagery. They went to great lengths to keep it secret, so why tf would she know
Curious question: how does Reeva, or anyone for that matter, know Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker? Is it like, "Meet your new boss, Darth Vader." "Actually, you can call me Anakin Skywalker. My friends call me Annie. Darth Vader is like my formal job title, and we here at Empire, Inc, like to keep things a little casual, you know? We even have a Hawaiian shirt day!"
@@Edax_Royeaux they didn't clean the tank well left some inquisitior goo in when they cloned palpatine and that's how snoke was born. I'm joking but this is Disney so...
Does Leia now somehow forget she ever met Obi-wan, when she sends the message for help to Obi-Wan in “A New Hope” and she says, “General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope”
It just blows my mind how they have nerfed obiwan. Human history is full of religious folks who have had their religion decimated while they survived. Folks have still carried on, believing in the “will of god” that this was part of the plan. Those same ppl would have been sad about losing a friend in the persecution. But not abandoned their beliefs. This shows what a lack of even the desire to try to be creative by Disney. It’s easier to just give him the Jake treatment. Instead of having him learning to use the force in subtle ways or last case scenario, we have him not even remember he has it.
Exactly. I always took a view of the Jedi being like pagans who had to hide away after Christianization of Rome (which ties into Anakin's Christ like mythos). Many pagan cults still existed, but in hiding out of fear of persecution.
@@Aemond2024 both. The rule of the empire is synonymous with the dark ages after paganism fell, and why the universe seems more primitive despite being in the future. That's probably what George had in mind, since star wars is heavily inspired by history and mythology. Alternatively, the Jedi could be Jews, and Anakin storming the Jedi temple could be like Christ whipping corruption out of the 2nd temple, but I think that's more of a stretch
@@Aemond2024 I agree. The Empire is a secular force and the comparison doesn't mesh terribly well. It meshes better with persecution of specific religious groups by secular government-backed forces.
He did say they were aiming for a Sunday-Wednesday-Sunday-Wednesday-Sunday-Wednesday schedule (on Drinker's Open Bar I think) but not sure how that is supposed to work out with the final episode only releasing in 16 days.
@@catmasterOP Since they got two eps at once they're releasing episode 3 on the wednesday due to the backlog, or at least that's what I think he meant.
Fringy: so how is Reva not ruined by this... Rags: I guess she'll say it was Kenobi who killed the grand inquisitor Jay: then what happened with you? How are you alive? Reva: are you kidding? The force is female, I am female a minority in the usa fighting against a white male privileged high class Jedi... No way he could kill me... Especially in a Didney production led by my queen kennedy Mauler: yeah that checks out!
I can feel MauLer's rage in this lol. So much to unpack in this one. Can't wait for your guys' Ep. 3 reaction. Looking forward to a full breakdown EFAP on the season😁
Ok so let me get this straight. Reva voluntarily joined the inquisitors as the third sister and is considered the lowest ranked (despite the fact I'm pretty sure that's not how the numbering system worked in Rebels), but gets away with repeatedly disobeying the Grand Inquisitor with nothing but a stern talking to. Even when he finds out she kidnapped an imperial senator's daughter, against his orders, he still not only lets her live, but doesn't even make sure that she leaves like he tells her to by having someone escort her back to the ship. She then posts a bounty on Kenobi to specifically fuck with his plans to catch him. When he catches her, she's got Kenobi cornered and decides that now is finally the time to do something about it, instead of prioritizing capturing or killing one of the most powerful Jedi left. He then lets her get close enough to stab him through the chest, despite knowing she's disloyal to him, and dies whilst Kenobi escapes. Did I get that right? Leaving aside the slight continuity error that the Grand Inquisitor is very much alive and well in Rebels season 1, why have they ruined his character and turned him into a complete idiot? I promise he wasn't this stupid in Rebels. He was actually fairly intimidating because he was voiced by Lucius Malfoy instead of this clown and his head didn't look like a melon. Stupid spinning lightsaber aside, I actually quite liked him as a villain and was kind of disappointed that they killed him off so quickly. This version is just raw cringe. Apparently Disney got bored of ruining cool Star Wars characters other people made and decided to ruin their own characters too.
I find it odd that a discarded clone would be allowed to wander off with Republic/Empire issued *government property* That armor was bought and paid for and may not even be legal for a civilian to own.
I hate to say this, but maybe Bad Batch season 2 will explain this. You shouldn't need other material to explain things like this, but it'd be better than nothing. Simple answer, is that he defected after order 66.
Wait.... Why doesn't Obi already have a bounty on himself by now? It's been 10 years, and they never found him on Utapau so... They should be putting him on most wanted war criminal. Especially if Vader is looking for him
To be more fair than the show deserves, it could be she just put out an update on the bounty letting them know he was in the area, or added more money to an existing bounty. Both of those explanations would still have everything line up with what the show has said from what I can tell.
*Leia starts running*
MauLer: "You can't... we're not doing this again."
20:49 I don't think I've ever heard Mauler get this mad before.
xD haha.. In that moment, I thought the same.
@@L-eye-t He got quite mad at Cosmo's Attack of the Clones review. "No! You skipped-NO!" *deep sigh* followed by sobbing "The long tribe can't handle it"
@@L-eye-t oh boy wait for episode 3.
**Cue Yakety Sax**
Little Leia: "I don't trust you even though you broke into a place I was being held at great risk to yourself to release me, said you know my father, and don't try to manhandle me."
Also Little Leia: "We should totally trust this random stranger who just so happens to have a solution to our problem which would be of incredible risk to himself! Why are you so suspicious, Kenobi?"
And somehow the show paints her as being reasonable in both instances and has Obi-Wan agree with her about the cargo transport... because she reminded him of Padme apparently. Riiight.
You need to listen and believe women, you bigots.
There’s so much potential in this universe but Disney will never tap into it because they are creatively bankrupt
Say what you will about George Lucas but he did care about the universe and the fans. That's why we've seen so many series ruined over the years, they got taken over by people who couldn't care less about them let alone the fans of them.
Yeah most people need to own up to the fact that they didn't understand what Lucas put out, and just wanted remakes of the OT. You're correct, so much potential. But not if Disney is involved.
To be fair, Lucas himself didn't even really tap into the potential of the SW Universe. Other writers/fans have continuously done that for decades
I think visions did what most of us expected from star wars shows coming from Disney, the episodes had many different ideas and were quite nice to watch, but most things live action wise, are completely awful
Everything is sanitized, everything is boring, everything is predictable.
How the hell was Kenobi planning on training and protecting Luke if he let his own skills go to complete shit?
That's something people I've asked can't seem to explain properly. They support yea he hasn't done anything for years of course he's weak and rusty. But the problem is how are you meant to train some if you are incompetent.
also if the plan is to train Luke at the right time so that one day the Jedi can come back why was Kenobi so quick to tell the other jedi in ep 1 to get lost? Wouldn't strength in numbers be a good thing? Can luke be the only hope for the return of the Jedi and why?
He also means to talk to qui gon after he’s cut himself off from the force
@@eamon4800 I still don't know what the fuck to think about that guy. How does he just know where Obi-Wan is, only a handful of people in the galaxy should know who that is. I already have issues beyond the shit Disney took, because if your a jedi. Specifically one of the most public jedi in the Clone Wars why would you keep the facial hair that makes you easily recognizeable. Face modification tech exists and was utilized in the Clone Wars to disguise himself as a bounty hunter. Or you could literally shave your fucking facial hair, and buy actual clothes besides jedi associated garbs. But that's just a issue made before Disney bought the property. But I don't know how you can properly explain through dialogue how he knows where OBi-Wan is. If he knows that information he is a LIABILITY. Which feels like they completely fucked up because Inquisitors would torture him and find out Kenobi is indeed on the planet. But instead they just killed him apparently and hung him up, or he killed himself take your pick I guess.
@@Jedioutcast That's another thing it's the fucking TLJ bullshit all over again. Qui gon wouldn't just sit back for 10 years watching OBI-Wan doing completely nothing. That doesn't make sense for his character at all.
This show feels like missing a long deceased friend. Miraculously, he returns from the grave and you're just overjoyed to hear his voice again. However as you see the differences in his mannerisms, you begin to suspect that they may not be not be what you thought. However, you've missed them so much that you don't want to come to terms with the fact that there's a monster masquerading as your friend.
"Sometimes, dead is better."
Something like from Pet Sematary
@@ggrarl Ah, I no longer need to post my comment. Bravo.
Sometimes dead is better
Star Wars is kept alive by the Resurrection Stone in Harry Potter.
Vader would absolutely slaughter Reva for killing his grand inquisitor mid-mission. That insolence would NOT be tolerated, let alone worshipped
Have you seen episode 3?
She said Obi-Wan did it.
Oh he does kill her at the end of the show after she has beaten Kenobi by outwitting him and could have killed Luke ( much like when Luke is standing over Ben all those years later ) but she decides she won`t because of PTSD and her just being the next bestest ever.
She then tries to con Vader into believing she killed Kenobi and he slices and dices her, giving her a noble death unlike Lukes fart on the wind.
@@siegeperilous5786 New leaks from the same site that wrote those old ones say she will live and the whole show is getting a Season 2. I hope they don't have Vader spare her lol
@@akumar1423 Indeed and good lord you can see them now, thinking they can Darth Maul her, it does not bear thinking about :)
"Who are you travelling with, crazy hermit?"
"Oh, I'm alone."
"Right. Obi-Wan Solo. Move along."
Leia: *calls Obi Wan a Jedi*
Obi Wan: don’t call me that, it draws too much attention
Also Obi Wan: *refers to Leia as princess*
At least princess can be a term of endearment. Jedi just gets you killed. (Not an excuse, just a minor note)
@@Unknown-hb3id yeah, guess that’s true
@@Unknown-hb3id Not in a universe with real royalty that's above 99% of plebs. Especially in Empire where you can be executed for much less than claiming tittle that doesn't belong to you.
Also Princesses aren't exactly illegal.
@@Edax_Royeaux correct. I was referring more to how that word might also draw attention to these two. Especially on a planet full of criminals and the Empire
Smart enough to psycho analyze obi-wan and her older cousin, dumb enough to say "MAKE ME FLOAT"
It seemed more like she was reading his mind, or at least skimming the surface for thoughts
@@pryordevine3855 She doesn't think she has the Force in ROTJ.
@@Сайтамен To play Devil's Advocate, you don't need to know, or even suspect, that you have the Force to be able to use it in subtle ways; Anakin Skywalker was a skilled pilot even as a child, because he could use the Force, even before he knew that was a thing.
That doesn't make it okay, of course. Bad things are bad, and stupid things are stupid, regardless if there's evidence. But you haven't completely defeated the argument.
@@Сайтамен she doesn't have to think she has it in order to use it to read minds, this is Disney Star Wars we're talking about.
More like dumb enough to JUMP OFF A ROOF to avoid the guy saving her life.
The empire should immediately know Bail Organa is a traitor.
In Rebels he still has a word in Senate. Although the Senate doesn't mean anything at that point.
@@Сайтамен Senate in Roman Empire: "Actual authority of the imperial Senate was negligible, as the Emperor held the true power of the state. As such, membership in the senate became sought after by individuals seeking prestige and social standing, rather than actual authority. During the reigns of the first Emperors, legislative, judicial, and electoral powers were all transferred from the "Roman assemblies" to the Senate. However, since the control that the Emperor held over the senate was absolute, the Senate acted as a vehicle through which the Emperor exercised his autocratic powers. The legislative powers of the Imperial Senate were principal of a financial and an administrative nature, although the senate did retain a range of powers over the provinces. The Senate could also regulate festivals and religious cults, grant special honors, excuse an individual (usually the Emperor) from legal liability, manage temples and public games, and even enact tax laws."
@@Edax_Royeaux Yeah they got a raw deal with Caesar and then Octavian. Republican Senate had real power (deciding who the consuls were) along with all the minutia you mentioned. Caesar chopped the balls off the Republic and the plebs loved him for it smfh. Never been a fan of the Empire post 1st century CE.
@@apocryphicdeath I do consider it a neat detail that the first line of Emperors were not sons of the previous, often not even blood relatives. Emperors of the Julio-Claudian dynasty
were chosen on the basis of being the best leader and were groomed to be the next Emperor. It was a far superior system to the one Europe would adopt, where the first son of the Monarch would almost always inherit the kingdom no matter how inept or disinterested.
Am fully expecting the Batwoman theme to be playing during Reva's dumbass roof sequence 😂
She looks like second Batwoman.
We need slappin Batwoman remix that Rainbow Soap did. Check it out if you haven't.
Somebody needs to make a video of that.
That scene was so awful.
Missed opportunity!
Clone Wars has its own issues, but one of the best arcs in the show is Kenobi faking his death and joining a group of bounty hunters using a disguise, and seeing him subtly use the force and stay hidden creates a lot of tension. This show could actually still have its Leia plot, but instead, Bail hires a bunch of bounty hunters, and then asks Kenobi to disguise himself as a bounty hunter and also go after her, to make sure none of the other bounty hunters learn anything about Leia, while also saving her in the process
But then Luke will still be left unprotected
would also stay in line with the whole "years ago you helped my father in the clone wars"
@@ColorlessRonin True, but any action obi wan takes that isn't sitting on tatooine leaves luke unprotected. Probably, shouldn't make this show at all....but ya know
@@ColorlessRonin probably worse to be near him to be honest
That arc itself also has alot of issues from what I recall. Like uhhh not really even in the slightest trying to tell Anakin anything about it.
Am I insane or shouldn’t the Inquisitors have no Idea that Vader is Anakin? I thought Vader vehemently wanted everyone to think that Anakin was dead
No, you're right. They SHOULDN'T know that Vader is Anakin.
It's a very, very well kept Secret that only a few People ever figured out.
Tarkin actually had his suspicions that Vader and Anakin might be the same Person, but he had no Evidence and wisely took that Knowledge with him when the Deathstar exploded.
I dont think the concept of secrets exist in this show everything is known.
The theory I've seen is that Reva was one of the younglings in the temple and saw Anakin turning the other younglings into halfings.
@@johannesseyfried7933 Tarkin worked with Anakin and Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars. And in New Hope Vader tells him "My master Obi-Wan is here", Tarkin responds "You are all what is left from Jedi" So he definitely knows.
@@HoHhoch Which brings up a point I made in the last video. Anakin was tasked with killing all the younglings before going to Mustafar, so how did Obi-Wan save that group in the first episode?
"How do you prove someone can't use the Force"
Blood test. If their midichlorian count is under 6000 per cell they can't.
"Carrie Fisher has died, now we don't have her to ruin Leia" "We'll just ruin her when she was 10 years old" "Brilliant!, double pay for you"
They already ruined Leia in Force Awakens. She is a terrible mother and a bad leader, also she ignores Chewi....
But but. "LOOK HOW SMART AND CUTE SHE IS." Some say. Come on we all at 10yrs dint give f for world around us except toys and friends Playstation.
@@Сайтамен it's never enouigh for the Rat, it must rape the corpse of beloved character as long as it can make money out of it.
Remember the disaster that was Wesley Crusher? Don't repeat that Disney.
I love how they also take a bite (or a few bites) out of Obi-Wan along the way, by doing the child-prodigy Leia thing. Not only making him look incompetent when trying to keep her safe, but when she psychoanalyzes him, he's dumbstruck by a 10-year-old being insightful? Uh... he's a Jedi? He grew up around Jedi. They're all little child-prodigies, and capable of deeper thought than most kids their age. Why would this trait in Leia be perplexing to Obi-Wan? He's seen it his whole life.
How is this child not terrified? How is she not crying or following instinct to hide like most kids. Oh...
She is a strong independent kid whamen.
So if this is wahmen feminisum, then Dennis the Menace and Mummy 2 were MRA propaganda?
Hey, if you have the magic ability to outrun any adult even if they are right next to you, you'd also be fearless.
@@betterforget7074 don't forget she's a mind reader too!
Lazy Writing!
I'm so glad they finally added Batwoman to the Star Wars galaxy. All it's missing is her iconic theme.
Check out Rainbow Soap's remix of Batwoman Theme.
The connection between Obi-Wan and Bail is explained in A New Hope: "you worked for him once, in your capacity as a peacekeeper for the government, of which he's part". That's it. The idea that they have a connection, that they're friends, is... odd.
It's an idea born from TCW and the novels related to it. I remember in one novel, Anakin, Padme, Bail, and Obi-Wan ate even ate a chummy dinner together like friends. Very odd.
@@Unknown-hb3id Even at that, it gets even more odd once you consider that Vader would also know just how chummy Obi and Bail were. Why wouldn't Vader exploit this connection? Especially when someone like Reva can find it out
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 Yep. TCW has its series of serious flaws, and the novels have lots of their own too. (Idk if these novels are canon or not - hard to tell canonicity when it comes to Clone Wars stuff.)
Given the Civil War, you'd be strained not to find a planet government or Senator that didn't have some connection to Obi-Wan. Vadar could have literally threatened Owen if he wanted to go down this track.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 I've been saying the exact same thing to so many people
So a fun little fact I realized recently. Bail could have gotten Ashoka to retrieve Leia. At this time Bail knows Ashoka is alive and she is an active agent of the Rebellion. There was no reason for Bail to ask Kenobi to forgo his mission to get Leia. The writers probably don't realize this but then again I don't think they thought through how much damage they done to Bail for this plot to happen.
I don't think they care contradiction a lot of things in the universe. They clearly don't care about the writing.
I mean if the Grand Inquisitor stays dead then they have basically made Star Wars Rebels non-canon. I don't think they would care too much about continuity
I'd like to think they're just bad writers....but it turns out they don't care enough to know what's going on in the story...AND they're bad writers.
I think you're overestimating the writers investment in the Lore of Star Wars
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 the thing I've seen from people defending this is that his species has 2 stomachs, so he's not dead.
Idk how that works exactly, I've got 2 kidneys but if I get stabbed with a laser sword in one of them I'm probably screwed.
Vader: kidnaps Leia in episode 4 and gets critizised by an imperial officer
Reva: kidnaps Leia is also critizised but never punished
Even better, this happened after Leia was CONFIRMED to be part of the Rebel Alliance, since she was on an Alliance-affiliated Corellian Corvette carrying the Death Star plans, a Corvette that Vader (retroactively via Rogue One) SAW detaching from and fleeing the Mon Calamari Cruiser that led the Rebel assault on Scarif. He can CONFIRM that Leia is a traitor and part of the Rebel Alliance and yet he still gets critiqued by an Imperial Officer for such a brazen move.
At the point where Reva arranges her kidnapping, Leia's an innocent, 10 year old princess of a powerful and influential Alderaanian Senator, at a time when the Imperial Senate was still operating and had at least some power. There's absolutely NO way the Empire would take that lying down, and no way Reva wouldn't get at the very least punished SEVERELY, if not outright EXECUTED, by her fellow Inquisitors or Vader himself, for such a half-baked move.
@@jacksimpson8529 yeah, vader would receive order from creamy sheev himself to "diplomatically solve" the reva situation
Pragmatically, kidnapping a Senator is a bit different than kidnapping a Senator's daughter in terms of ramifications. Also I think it's fair to say in Episode 4, tensions in the galaxy were a bit higher, such an overt move could prompt an escalation by the Rebel Alliance. If the Rebels still have Senators influencing things in the Senate, as long as they retain some diplomatic options for reform, than they may be less inclined to war.
@@Edax_Royeaux i would say it's worse, because empire was formed on promises of peace and order and there you have daughter of senator a very influential one gets kidnapped and can be traced back to rogue inquisitor
@@jakubgrzybek6181 Rogue Inquisitor being the keyword. This actions wasn't sanctioned by the Empire, meaning it was just a lone actor involved. There's always the one person that'll do a crazy thing, it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. But when the Empire is kidnapping Senators and dissolving the Imperial Senate, the die is cast.
The inquisitor being stabbed and layed out, eyes out dead, yet still being completely fine in rebels somehow.
Also he really just stood there and took that stab huh.
The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be unnatural
@@mryellow6918 I like the idea that they train them to just sit there and let people stab them in the chest. Like the Jedi teach you to parry (pussy shit), we’re gonna teach you to not even flinch like a boss
Not to mention, that he just teleported there in the most convinient time.
@@matthewpeterson2317 not just that. They also get trained to stand there and let people cut them in half like Maul.
darth maul lived
A City Government employee before the planet gets locked down: "All signals in and out are blocked"
20 minutes later
Obi-Wan after the planet gets locked down: "I sent a message to your father"
So was Obi-Wan lying to Leia, or did the writers just forget that one line they put in to explain why he couldn't just bee line to the ship he was tracking?
The writers are utter hacks, chosen for their quotas.
Yeah, they are fucking up the plotline again big time. The reason Obi-wan went to Tatooine because Vader would never go back there making it the perfect place to hide, in other words the whole reason Obi-wan is on Tatooine to begin with is because he knows Vader/Anakin is alive. The people writing SW don't know shit about it.
They said "Send them where Sith can't sense them", meaning Sidious. But yeah, surely in 10 years he would hear name Vader at least once.
Tatooine wasn't a member of the Republic due to it's remote location as pointed out in Episode 1. That would naturally make it a good place to hide, the people on the planet wouldn't be Imperial citizens.
@@Сайтамен Especially if word of the Inquisitors has spread to Tatooine. There is no reason word of Darth Vader, the emperors fucking right hand and most zealous of Jedi hunters shouldn't have made it there as well.
Obi-Wan didn't know Anakin survived. The kids were separated so Palpatine wouldn't know, and as the OT stated, because the kids would be a threat to him if trained.
This entire thing is stupid. In ANH Leias messgae starts with: "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the clone wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the empire." That is not the thing you would say to the dude you had an adventure with when you were a kid. Unless, at the end of this mess, Kenobi kablows her a load of that weird "forget stuff" drug. Which would be funny I suppose.
Giving "roofies" to a young child seems perfectly in line with modern Disney ideology these days though...
@@benjamingrant5970 Also, why would the drug selectively make her forget about just Kenobi? My impression of the drug is it would make you forget about everything because you'd be tripping so hard.
It would help explain how Kenobi forgot R2.
@@kaijusoshingeki7214 Touché
Plot holes that's all Disney has given fans of this dead franchise.
Just remember that SOMEHOW Obi-Wan couldn’t put two and two together when it comes to Vader and has to hear it from Reva (Who would have been personally killed by said Sith Lord for even KNOWING about that information) despite him seeing the security footage of Anakin’s rampage and Yoda calling him Vader as well.
That’s not something Obi-Wan would ever forget, even in exile.
Jake Kenobi forgot that Vader survived being burned alive
The writers just kinda forgot about his character.
You cannot expect the writers of this show to have watched the previous movies, that's just way too much work.
He knew that Anakin was Vader, but didn't necessarily know he survived Mustafar. Which is still stupid, he should've just finished him off. Failing that, you'd think he'd still sense his presence out there in the Galaxy.
But to hear it from Reva is just bad. No emotional payoff there whatsoever.
@@defeqel6537 I know that’s a joke, but they even put friggin flashbacks to the prequels in the prior episode So they really are blatantly ignoring the prequels despite using them to prop the show
They want Leia to be as cute and compelling as Newt from Alien--a smart, elusive survivor. Instead, she's a wobbly, annoying know-it-all. Obi Wan is forced to play the idiot to a child in his own show. Sigh.
I find leia to be very well written. She is as impulsive and idiotic as a 10yo would be while being as brave and insightful as i would expect baby leia to be
Newt would kick Disney Leia's ass
I'd love to know when those memories of her mother being kind but sad arrived in her mind. :3
Can't have competent men in Hollywood anymore, probably why Top Gun Maverick is so good since they go against that new rule.
@@MrNoobthenub You and I have a very different understanding of how to write a smart, insightful, interesting ten year-old girl. This is a prime example if what not to do.
Leia is a 10 year old girl who has been abducted and held in solitary confinement by a group of mercenaries, but it doesn't even phase her. Instead of being visibly shaken and relieved that this nightmare situation has someone rescuing her, she is a funny chatterbox with zero awareness of the situation they are both in, and then decides legitimately FOR NO REASON Obi Wan must be a bad guy. It wasn't their intention to make Leia such an unlikably bad character - it's just like Batwoman where the writers themselves are psychopaths who don't understand what humans are
A kidnapped kid / princess / etc. in an adventure movie not acting realistically shake and ptsd'd??
What a plawt hole!
@@username45739 "you're just nit picking over the writers being so fucking lazy that they can recycle action movie story lines and don't even care if it's a 10 year old girl put into the situation"
@@username45739 No one said it's a plot hole. I feel like you don't understand what a plot hole is.
This is an argument about the inconsistency in her character and logic. She seems strong and smart for one instance, but then make stupid decision right after. She seems skeptical about Obiwan, but then decide to trust a complete stranger.
The writers want her to appear smart and capable beyond her age, but they can't. Instead they make people around her act more dumb and incapable in her presence.
@@Soft_Ghost "No one said it's a plot hole. I feel like you don't understand what a plot hole is.
This is an argument about the inconsistency in her character and logic."
I thought plot hole was a slang term for just that sort of thing?
"She seems strong and smart for one instance, but then make stupid decision right after."
As far as I remember, she was smart in her own socialite turf and not in the whole Taken and danger turf (though still all questionable choices for this character of course).
"She seems skeptical about Obiwan, but then decide to trust a complete stranger."
Whom again? Maybe I forgot sth lol
"The writers want her to appear smart and capable beyond her age, but they can't. Instead they make people around her act more dumb and incapable in her presence."
Don't they just make lots of people look dumb by default? Which of those instances was specifically to make her look smart by contrast?
A con man told Ben where to go. When a con man tells you to go somewhere while there's a massive bounty on your head, you go. Naturally
17:40 “How old are you?”
- Obi-Wan, to the twin of the child he’s devoted the last 10 years of his life keeping an eye on since birth
If they leave Grand Inquisitor dead, I'm calling shenanigans because he's supposed to die in Rebels, which takes place 5 years after this series.
Exactly what I thought when I first watched this, but it wouldn't be the first time Disney retconned themselves...
@@thomasbarron4230 pretty massive retcon to off a villain for an entire season for a very popular show.. sigh.. I hate it so much. I loved the grand inquisitor in rebels.
Im glad someone pointed this major plot point out because that kinda destroys everything in rebels making rebels none Cannon despite the fact it is
Wouldn't be the first time Disney's skirted screwing up their own canon for Star Wars. I bet he'll be somehow better by the end of this.
Something something i have died before
The thing that baffles me is that Bail directly met with Obi-wan and Bail didn't give some kind of item or symbol so that Leia would know Obi-wan is to be trusted?
Do they know about the Grand Inquisitor being a antagonist in rebels. A prior jedi temple guard who knows a variety of lightsaber styles, and has years of experience. Gets stabbed in the gut by some nobody. And is somehow expected to still be alive in rebels.
One of the writers for this show basically confirmed that he was still alive
Must've had better health insurance than Qui Gon....
@@socialjihad5724 then what was the point aside from cheap shock value? Reva is going to get sent to the gulag for that blunder.
@@zackkilgore528 Lol. None...it's Disney star wars... cheap nostalgia and shock value is all they have
@@socialjihad5724 Just saying if I were Grand Inquisitor I would have reprimanded her at the first instance of insubordination and relegate her solely to Holocron duty as a glorified librarian. If she went further than that I’d have her walled by Purge Troopers.
Obi-Wan would kick the shit out of a rookie inquisitor with his eyes closed... it's why they had to nerf him so Reva could be the best ever
Obi-Wan is old! Just like Luke. Disney is discriminating old people at this point 🤭.
I actually think there's a potential for a way more interesting story where the Empire, in their mad quest to hunt down the last Jedi, especially Obi-Wan, they mass-recruit and train amateur Sith, like these Inquisitors, and send them out into the universe and do the Empire's bidding, and sus out the remaining Jedi. Obi-Wan, who of course would take a much more active role in trying to undermine the Empire during this time, earns a reputation for frequently evading a defeating Inquisitors, and eventually becomes like the Boogeyman to them.
Him being old can't be an excuse because Kermit and Dracula had that insane fight in Clone Wars.
@@koatam Well it's not that he's old, more that he's cut himself off from the force. If it was that difficult to lift Leia then fighting against a sith he'd probably be screwed.
@@koatam the ketamine Kermit vs dark side Dracula
It’s all way out of Obiwan’s self righteous character. Obiwan said Siths are his “specialty.” He’s not afraid of the dark side. Not even a tiny bit. Now, he has to check his shorts if someone raises their voice
Well I could buy the change after 10 years of hiding, he's living a life of fear rn so it'd definitely do things to him. If I was Obi I'd be way more intimidated by the dark side if it took over Anakin, decimated the Jedi Order and forced me into hiding for 10 years. Especially if I don't have a strong connection to the force anymore (for some reason)
@@calumbarry1829 I have seen people make the argument that he cut himself from the force Like Jake Skywalker in the sequels, but it doesn't make self, because he tries to use the force to contact Qui-Gon's force ghost in episode 1.
I could excuse his weak connection to the force considering the circumstances, but he is just dumb in this series especially in episode 3 when a 10 year old does the talking instead of a character that was known for his wit and even nicknamed the negotiator, but know he couldn't even talk his way out of a paper bag FFS. Another beloved character tarnished.
Right. He behaves like a emasculated loser. Typical progressive writing for a straight white male
I too laughed out loud at Reva taunting Obi-Wan. Jesus how does someone write this with the intention of making an intimidating bad guy? They set themselves up for people hating this character. It's not because she's a woman or black, it's because she's written to be the most 12-year-old's-OC ever.
It does not work because it is not in Line with her Character.
There are two Reasons for a Character to start singing when he Hunts. He is a Psycho who enjoys scaring his Prey or he is simply a silly Person who enjoys the Hunt itself. But in both Cases the main Trait is jolliness.
But up until this Point she was always serious, stern and showed no pleasure in hurting other People. This is what makes this Moment so jarring.
Yeah, I can't believe how much I dislike the character. Everything about that way she's written makes me want to vomit.
@@XaldirGodofGood I don't get her at all. Tatooine shows her to be brash, wanting results immediately, having no restraint or ability to use citizens to the Inquisitors' benefit. But with the bounty hunters she hires, she's playing the long game, being relatively patient, understated... Like, she could do *anything* in future episodes. I have no gauge for what her style is. Combine that with me already having a pretty good idea of her motivation for hating Obi-Wan (if I and many others are right about it, it's going to stink), and she's just such a flatline of a character.
@@kylefrank638 She is always that what the Writer wants her to be at any given Point, so he can get the Scenes and Moments he wants at any point he wants. I have seldom seen a case so glaringly obvious as this.
@@XaldirGodofGood "But up until this Point she was always serious, stern and showed no pleasure in hurting other People. This is what makes this Moment so jarring."
There was some malicious sarcasm when interrogating Owen, and the later episodes as well - however that was a much better scene, whereas the "come out wherever you are" was kind of a cliche that didn't really fit.
Wasn't awful, but kind of mediocre.
"Obi-Wan, now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time...long time. Except of course the 53 times people said my name 9 years ago!"
"I haven't been called by that name since... oh, since before you were born."
LOL
@@niewesoa5299 Oh god i forgot that line XD
@@niewesoa5299 Oh God, I forgot that too. They really didn't give a shit.
@@niewesoa5299 Holy shit!😭
@@niewesoa5299 Flashback to Reva:
"OOOOOOOBIII WANNNNNNNN"
By the way, in Boba Fett they said that 1 square feet box of spice is worth more than Freetown. So of course Ewan's daughter will give him a pint for free...
to be fair, it’s probably the difference between “pure” spice and it being a shithole town where it probably cost a lot more to import it.
Damn 2-bit drug dealers. Cutting their product with cinnamon!"The spice must flow!"
That is how some drug dealers work though. They give them a free taste in order to get you addicted, then they'll be stuck selling off their wife, their daughter, whatever to get the next fix.
to be fair, the price couldve gone up in the time between Kenobi and BoB
why is the other female inquisitor way cooler than Darth Reva despite not talking at all? How did they manage that?
probably the whole "not talking at all"
Because if your character doesn't talk they can't be ruined by shitty dialogue.
The problem with Reva's performance is that it's too over the top with the confident and determined persona they want her to have, but not wild enough for a overzealous persona. If you want her to act rebellious and angry, you need her performance to have at least a bit of manic intensity, a sense that the person is actually irrationally unhinged, not just "I act angry"
@@handles_are_a_bit_rubbish Sadly she talked in next episode... and it was cringe.
The best background star wars characters have little to no dialogue.
Wait....I thought there were no communications in or out of the planet? But then kenobi is able to send out a message to Bail?....
They say ship signals which are at least on paper their own thing. (How a ship transponder is starkly different to coms I don’t know) but a genuinely stupid thing about that is that this planet is clearly in the empire it has imperial forces stationed their and apparently a fleet near by. So how in the hell is it logical or even allowed by the empire for a system they control to block all ship signals. It would make everything harder for the empire for zero gain on their part.
Tracking suspect ships, following ships fleeing to or from the system as it blocks it both ways, coordinating their own ship movements, just knowing what the hell is even going on a round the planet. A hostile force could have an entire fleet around the system and the empire never know.
Anakin was full of hubris and arrogance and it was portrayed as a “dark side material”.
Young Leia was full of hubris and arrogance and it was portrayed as a good thing.
Reva is an anagram for "evar".
Because she's the "bestest EVAR!!!"
"Who? Jar-Jar?" had me roflmao, and I haven't used roflmao since 2008
The homeless clone begging for money like a disabled veteran was the most interesting and tragic thing in this whole episode.
I guess all the skills on Obi-Wan's skill tree got locked because he hasn't been using it in a few years.
It's like coming back to a MMO you've not played for years. He didn't reasign his skill points after the updates reset them 😀
Yeah it's like in god of war 2/3 or devil may cry, the next game you lost all your abilities and need to get xp to fill them out again
He needs to retrieve his souls. :D
Lol obi-wan is ezio
Like Cal in Fallen Order. For him it makes sense, he was a traumatized kid.
If they were gonna do so many chase scenes, why cast the one kid who has never run in her life?
It's not even the kid's fault, it's that she's only 6 or something, and physicially can't run that fast. I'd even buy a preteen outrunning an adult rather than someone her age.
To be fair, I think she had stunted legs. She was 7 while filming this, playing a 10 year old, but runs like a toddler. The casting is downright insulting for every party involved.
Why cast a kid at all? Leia would work better as a 14 or 15 year old.
@@dragonknightleader1 Cuz they want their Leia plot NAO!
@@dragonknightleader1 Funny thing is they did that in Rebels, with a 16 year old Leia, I think. I remember liking her portrayal.
Meanwhile in a different universe, where the inquisitors are smart: “Hey you incredibly poor desert people, there’s this Jedi war criminal on the prowl and we’re looking for him. Point him out and we’ll reward you handsomely.”
Dis+ Originals really are the embodiment of 'fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me', but were on what? fool me seventh?. Its always the same: the first episode is deceptively mediocre with a few promising qualities (at least on first viewing anyways), episode 2 dips in quality significantly, then the bottom drops out in episode 3 and all hope is gone. You think they actual care? This is assembly line content meant to fill quotas, like a boring middle school book report. There's no malice in this show, just concentrated passionless apathy.
Damn dude, you're right.
That's... why I'm here
well i enjoyed moon knight
The thing with the 501st clone really bothered me. The 501st became known as "Vader's Fist" and remained in use where most of them i believe died on the original death star, (maybe that was retconned) so why would their be a homeless one other than Rex? Also how would he not recognize Obi Wan immediately?
LAZY WRITING
Also, that scene was put in clearly to give Temuera Morrison a cameo as clone trooper.
I did a dangerous thing and went to a pro-kenobi video on UA-cam. The question was brought up of why the clone trooper missed 3 shots in the opening scene and the response I saw was "The brain-chips caused them to lose their training by becoming pure killing machines."
Please Elon hurry with the neurallink chips, these people need you
Disney shills can't just respond to criticism with "it was just bad", there has to be some awful reasoning for everything.
I'm all for using established information to infer some things which aren't explicitly shown or described, but holy shit, these people take it to such a degree that even I can't fathom where their standards would ever allow for calling something "bad" or "wrong" in any way.
Chips designed to make clone troopers kill Jedi make them too shit at aiming to kill Jedi...
"LOSE THEIR TRAINING...BY BECOMING PURE KILLING MACHINES" Do those people read what they write?!
@@Сайтамен Right, within the universe's own reasoning it doesn't even make sense. And that's even if you buy the "chip" nonsense.
It's clear that the entire point of Disney Star Wars was to rewrite the Canon to make Leia the center of everything. TLJ, the fact that TRoS was supposed to be "her movie", how young Leia is treated here while utterly disrespecting Luke.
This is intolerable
How Leia is treated here is also utterly disrespectful to Leia. It comes across as anti-feminist propaganda.
@@Edax_Royeaux
More like the feminist propaganda is so strong that you can no longer ignore the stupidity of the ideology.
@@Edax_Royeaux Only to us. To feminists, they see no flaws in her character at all -- which goes the same if not double for Reva.
I forgot if it was this episode or the first, but when they said “she is just as important as he[Luke] is”….nobody said she wasn’t, who were they tryin to convince.
I love the fact how they ascended into another level of fluff-breaking.
Mandalorian and Book Boba Fett quite-openly ignored the Comic and Novel stuff, what Disney already had. Fine, it's from Favreau and Filoni, the two idiots did this since 2008.
Now they contradict their own comic canon of Kenobi and even their own other animated series: Rebels, by seemingly just killing the Grand Inquisitor 4 years earlier, than he supposed to die.
But from a story perspective i don't understand is, what were they thinking in the writers room, when they decided to "kill" him?
Everyone can look up, that the guy is still alive in Rebels, so it wouldn't mean any surprise to anyone if they bring him back later.
Or they are really didn't cared about this and killed him.
Either way, i don't know why they choose to do this, because there isn't any way out of this situation, when they didn't come out as complete hacks.
Stabs just aren't deadly in Star Wars anymore. He sleeps in bacta tank.
I don't believe they had anything to do with this one. I heard this was made under the eyes of KK.
@@evernight1405 he's not talking about them in regards to this show specifically.
Guys ... Whatsherface in Mando was shot in the guts in a desert and left for dead, got carted on a slow ass bantha to a ripperdoc, got her guts replaced with pipes and she was just fine.
They can handwave away his survival easily after the show is done.
The thing is they did not only ignore the EU what does not surprise me since they said it does not matter. But they broke their own Canon in The Mandalorian : Dinjarin its the child of the Death Watch, who are following old mandalorian tradition, Except in The Clone Wars the Death Watch was a paramilitary organisation aka terrorist group who tried to over throw the Pacifist Government of Mandalore and not taking off their helmets aka "This is a the way" its shit was not a thing because they were removing their helmets like any other Mandalorian Clan. Not to mention in Rebels Sabine gave Bo Katan the Blacksaber withouth a fight what In The Mandalorian is not possible but only through combat to death.
More than these Favrou and Feloni are pissing on their own show too : in the episode Chapter 4: Sanctuary Cara Dune is asking Mando "what would happen if you remove your helmet ? they will come for you and kill you "? and Mando replied "No... I will never be able to put it back on" . Yeah sure. This is how well the so called "Saviours" of Star Wars treat and know their own show. Disney is a fooking circus lead by clowns ... for clowns and zombies.
By keeping Leia's abduction a secret, and only telling Obi-Wan, they have made it explicitly clear that Bale and Obi-Wan communicate to one another. The OT cannot happen after this series of events. It's over. The final episode is going to contrive some other worldly bullsxxt to ensure Vader forgets this entire interaction and the Bale-Obi connection.
That's what I'm thinking, and it gives me a big migraine thinking about it. The only way this doesn't break the story of the original Star Wars is that every character in this show inhales massive amounts of the bullshit "Forget-Me" drug.
@@mourad505 Including all conputers
It's worse--The very same/next day Bail GOES TO TATOOINE directly to Obi-Wans desert cave! If Reva even had a hunch Bail and Kenobi were friends, she would have been tracking Bail. Hell, wasn't she still on Tatooine at the time? Disney writers are all hacks
You don't have to try to make it work. Disney wars is contrived shit, you don't have to acknlowledge it as part of the OT canon.
@@jasonmiller7800 speaking of Tatooine. I always found it weird that Vader didn't keep tabs on his family.
Ewan McGregor is 51, Jimmy Smits is 66. Surely Leia thinks Obi Wan looks young enough to be her father.
I guess they are joking that he is transforming to Alec Guinness...but he isn't.
@@Сайтамен They should have given him grey hair
@@Jordie_42 But he is 48 in canon. That's kinda early.
@@Jordie_42 But he is 48 in canon. That's kinda early.
@@Сайтамен He turns into Alec Ginness in like 6 years
Not sure why but that moment where the crew got silent as Kenobi gave the clone some credits made me feel something. Not sure what to call it but it's like there was almost something really profound that could be made of that moment.
Not that Disney would understand.
A general and a soldier, amongst the last remnants of formerly great warriors who fought together to protect the Republic and in their eyes the galaxy. Who despite their service were discarded to obscurity and squalor respectively as a fugitive/beggar by factors ultimately beyond their control.
Already the parallels could tell a great story, and that’s before even getting into Order 66
@@ritenac6770 Watch the Bad Batch.
@@Сайтамен And be dissappointed.
I don't think clones especially not the 501st would just be thrown out.
I'm certain Vader would at least keep the 501st troopers.
It was great how they handled this in classic SWBFII, clones who remained were freed but 501st chose to stay and were Vader's personal troops until they were stationed on the Death Star and exploded.
I almost wanted the clone to say "Thank you..." and when Kenobi turned away add a quiet, "...General." I mean, a clone should know who Kenobi is by sight, even if he wasn't involved in any of the units that Kenobi dealt with. And having the clone acknowledge who he is, but not try to raise alarm (even given the high credit wanted poster for 'Ol Ben) would be a nice nod to the clone trooper's sense of honor and the realization that enacting Order 66 was a mistake.
But maybe that would've been too much, I don't know. It could definitely come across as lame.
Time for more of the Reeeeeva and young Leia show with cameos from Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Damn wild to me that you people are actually real lmao
It's Reva's "story" after all, who is that Obi-What Kenobody ... never heard of him before.
21:41 Reva does the assassin's creed jump off the roof. Then turns into wolverine when jumping rooftop to rooftop. 🤣
@@phyco9635 what? That people actually want an Obi-Wan show to be about Obi-Wan?
@@GeraltofRivia22 Damn, good thing it IS about him.
Everything involving Reva and Leia revolves around him. So yeah.
It's like Batwoman's child flashbacks stretched out to, presumably, the whole series.
"The Wattpad of Watto: Episode 2"
*Fade in*
Watto, having taken Jar Jar's mission to protect the girl Holdo, travels to the planet f76gtybuhjmkl*. She has been taken hostage by milk monsters from the planet Ahch-To and so he needs to save her. He finds an unlikely ally in Elan Sleazebaggano, who agrees to help him if he buys some death sticks.
They rescue Holdo, but she is not convinced that he is actually a junk trader, telling Watto that he is reckless and impulsive. She demotes him, even though he isn't in the military. After this, she takes a bunch of death sticks and runs away at ludicrous speed, trying to perform this mysterious manoeuvre Watto has heard so much about. Meanwhile, Darth Vader has hired the largest Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy, Jek Porkins, to hunt down Watto and get revenge for all the pod racing he had to endure on the sands of Tatooine.
Watto manages to escape with Holdo but not before Porkins has a very slow battle with him where reveals that he knows a secret... that Little Orphan Ani is actually Darth Vader.
*I just slammed my hand into the keyboard to come up with that name since I am out of ideas
And later, because Vader refuses to pay him, Porkins joins the Rebellion and tries to blow up the Deathstar as revenge.
Brilliant writing, made me cry 4 times, you are the next generation of War Stars, 10/10
Now this is a Star Wars show I'd actually pay money to watch.
"You come highly recommended Porkins and all for the very reasonable price of one quarter portion per day plus expenses"
laughing along with these people at that ridiculous child chase sequence in the last episode was the hardest I've laughed with the internet in some time.
The sister parkouring made me think of that catwoman movie 🤡
I hate that the thumbnail Inquisitor isn't even really a downgrade
Glass Hurricane This may come off as nitpicking but why have all of these SWs shows look so bad production wise?Between the shoddy CGI and awful prosthetics, you’re telling me that Disney couldn’t have afforded to sink some serious money into how it looked?
The inquisitor looks like a bad 90s Power Ranger villain.
@@Avarn388 Why try if people are just gonna eat it up regardless?
@@superapm9620
That's even worse lol!
@@superapm9620 Exactly. Show someone shitting for 95% of the episode and show Vader for 5% of it and people are gonna go crazy over it and call it the best thing ever.
"Somehow the Grand Inquisitor returned."
Actually, no. Vader was a big secret. When he shows up in Rebels several years later, they were at a complete loss as to how to deal with him, because they just had no idea who he was. And the only one in the Empire who should know that Anakin is Vader is Palpatine and possibly Tarkin. She should have no idea about any of that.
Also, if they have actually killed the Grand Inquisitor, they just went and retconned all of Rebels for the sake of this show.
And I know you'll never watch Rebels, and most of it isn't great, but there are some amazing Star Wars moments in that show sacrificed for the sake of this shit show.
Tarkin and Thrawn basically knew Vader was Anakin but they never asked or confirmed it. I remember one piece of EU stuff had Thrawn mention Anakin to Vader several times, teasing a reaction from him, and Thrawn basically had to drop it because he realised that Vader was gonna go beast mode on him
Tarkin definitely knew as did Yoda and therefore Kenobi but as to the others you are correct they likely would not have known but it is possible if they where at the temple, tenuous but possible but Kenobi certainly knew, it is the whole reason he is hiding on Tatooine because Anakin would not ever return there his past being what it was.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 I remember that story too. Real good. But now I guess it's just common imperial knowledge.
@@siegeperilous5786 I can easily see Obi Wan Yoda not knowing that Anakin survived, at least not for a long time. Last time Obi Wan saw him, he was left burning to death in the middle of nowhere on a lava planet.
@@Bleeds98 Granted but they both knew he was Lord Vader and they would of known that a Lord Vader was hunting down Jedi after the events in Sith, they watch a hologram at 1 hour 37 mins 41 seconds where Palpatine calls him Lord Vader so they definitely knew he was Vader.
It is possible but it is very weak story telling I would say, they where not hiding from kittens on Tatooine and Dagobah they where hiding from Vader and the Emperor but specifically Vader.
"It's shitty writing right there"
Oh sweet summer MauLer, things they are still about to show you...
"If vader gets anywhere near any of this" ooooh boy are they gonna love episode 3
Remember: Killing the Grand Inquisitor BREAKS canon. Nothing is off the table anymore
But no one is every really gone. Snoke clones are a thing.
He will have mechanism organs and come back.
I think a new annoyance for me is how they managed to make Leia seem so 'wise' and then so dumb at the same time. She was able to basically read her cousin's mind and school him one second, but the next she doesn't understand why Obi-wan can't use his lightsaber _in public_ and make her float _in public,_ as if she doesn't know about the whole Jedi-being-branded-as-criminals-by-the-Empire thing that's WIDELY WELL-KNOWN AFTER 10 YEARS, and then she just assumes he's a bad guy because all the other bad guys around them get a ping to hunt him down? Like I'm sorry, I thought she was supposed to be smart? You know, get a feel for people without really having to talk to them and make them cry from it? Isn't that literally how they set her up in the first episode?? God, it's so aggravating!
so in the 9 years between this fiasco and A new HOPE leia has completely forgot about OBIWAN and just knows her dad talked about his before lmao
These guys are going to have a field day with episode 4
The more accurate Breaking Bad comparison would be that first use of red phosphorus with Krazy 8 and his cousin in the beginning (where the RV was actually gassed).
Killing off the Grand Inquisitor means star wars rebels isn't Canon. I see this as an absolute win! No more David fallonian self insert astromech, no more lame Darth Maul final fight, no more cringe for erza ever appearing again, no more Tharwn getting defeated by space whales hentaied him to death, and most importantly no more idoitic time traveling mcmuffins.
I thought Sabine was fine as a female character but yeah rebels is REALLY bad.
I thought the Obi-Wan/Darth Maul final duel was actually decent since it had the man at his peak with his affinity in the force but yeah everything else I can agree with.
Rebels has some good stuff in it, fuck outta here
Obi-Wan and Maul fight was actually a great part of the show (disregarding the whole Maul being alive thing, which is a TCW issue, not Rebels). Other stuff true though.
Also, you know better. Don't you know that "nOoNe'S eVeR rEaLly gOnE"? They un-disintegrated Palps, Grand Inquisitor's just fine by their standards.
Seasons 2 and 3 are good. Characters had development, Thrawn was a great villain, they even killed two of main characters. Just at the end of season 4 everything went to shit because they needed to win somehow.
I just wanna know how Imperial Inquisitors can walk around Mos Eisley like it's nothing lmfao, its not even an Imperial planet!
I'm not sure if it's ever touched on, but I reckon the Hutts don't give the Empire much credence when they are on their planets. As long as they don't outstay their welcome, and don't mess with business, they don't incur each other's wrath.
The cartels know not to piss off the Empire too much, and the Empire does the same.
Yeah, few minutes of torturing local civilians and someone from Jabba's palace would show up to tell them: "Go away!"
@@StalkerQtya well that's fair. Guess Jabba does as bad a job of protecting his territory as Boba does.
@@StalkerQtya exactly! Tatooine is Hutt space and one of the reasons Obi-Wan hid Luke there. Much less likely to have imperials around since they don't own the planet.
Yeah, they didn't mention Jabba the Hutt at all, did they?! Wooww.. excellent writing. 😑
As long as I have my bucket to comfort me, I will be alright watching Kenobi. 😥😥😥
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I like how Reva's plan hinges on Bail Organa asking Kenobi for help in order to lure him out when Bail could hire a military or mercenaries to rescue Leia.
The entire 'cutting yourself off from the Force' thing has really been watered down by Disney. From what I recall, it's supposed to be this really traumatic thing in and of itself to have that connection severed, not unlike losing a limb or a sense. Back in Legends, the protagonist in Kotor II was special for having cut him/herself off in order to not go insane or die from the backlash of being close to a planet being destroyed along with thousands of friends and comrades. Under most circumstances, no Jedi would deliberately do that to themselves just because they're sad, in fact the connection to the universe around them would be a comforting thing.
However, the way it's being portrayed now it's like suffering trauma _and then_ cutting yourself off afterwards, as if pouring salt on the wound.
I presume he did it to hide.
She pulled info straight out from his thoughts, so:
Vader could have done it with Leia to find the rebel base
Again, no need for Han to be tortured
Kylo and the old man
Kylo and Poe
A friggin gazillion times that this just retconned into pointlessness.
Not even one episode ago they could have gained infos about Obi-van like that on Tetooine
Vader wanted to torture Han to create a disturbance in the Force to get Luke to get to Bespin.
The idea that there's people out there... who not only like this show... but also defend this show from criticism... I'm so ashamed of being the same species as them.
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Anakin: "My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count"
Dooku: "So have I; twice the me, double the me."
Yoda was hiding in a swamp for years, his Force didn't atrophy. He was pulling starships out of swamps like nobody's business.
Having the jedi grifter flip could've been a character ark just like Han in ANH, but no they had him do a 180 with no set up or build up.
Okay, am I missing something, or is it a complete coincidence that the inquisitors - including Reva who has a special interest in Kenobi - were on Tatooine just a day or two before Reva enacted this plan to draw him out? As far as I could tell, the inquisitors didn’t actually suspect that Kenobi was on Tatooine or anything; it would seriously compromise A New Hope if they did. But I also feel like I have to be missing something important, because that’s actually insane if Reva was in Kenobi’s exact proximity (out of anywhere in the galaxy) by sheer chance. Someone please tell me I’m confused here, I’m begging you.
It is just really bad writing, shoehorning a narrative at it`s worst, they could have been anywhere in the galaxy it is the Grand Inquisitor scolding her that makes her refocus on Kenobi not her thinking he is on Tatooine.........that said they had to put it on Tatooine so that she can connect all the dots and find Luke there which she will do by the series end, so no ya not mad it is just the stupendously low quality of well everything across the board nowadays but particularly it is bereft of talent writing.
They skipped over the thing that frustrated me the most: NOBODY KNEW WHO DARTH VADAR WAS! Even Tarkin had to speculate about it. But this random Inquisitor knows!
Im so excited for the episode 3 review Im almost giddy. I confess I haven't felt this way since your full film 9 breakdown.
Especially after the reaction to the second cartoon chase scene where Obi Wan can't catch up, I can't wait for their reaction to the dumb as fuck thing Obi wan did or said rather in front of Stormtroopers
@@kenXtripleI in the end nothing will ever recapture Batwoman though :(
Turd Sister: 🎜 "Obe-ee Wan... Yoo-hoooo!"
Obi-wan: " 😬 "
I like how they preserved suspense with the death of the Grand Inquisitor with the logic "Aha! We could be just destroying cannon again but maybe this time we aren't and we just gave him a mechanical spleen lol tune in next time"
Why does Disney treat space travel and hyperdrive like fast travel? It severely shrinks the universe and means they skip out on the character building opportunities that the quiet periods of travel provide. It’s obnoxious to see them get onto a ship, followed by them immediately getting off of said ship at the other end.
Another writing issue is regarding Reva referencing Vader as Anakin: publicly, Vader is someone entirely different from Anakin, who died in Operation Knightfall as a hero of the Republic. The only people who know Vader is Anakin are Grand Moff Tarkin, Palpatine, and the rare higher-up in the Empire. Even Thrawn had to have it revealed to him by Palpatine shortly before his promotion to Grand Admiral. If it were public knowledge that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, it would be a nightmare of imagery. They went to great lengths to keep it secret, so why tf would she know
She was a Jedi youngling and she witnessed Order 66. I guess.
Curious question: how does Reeva, or anyone for that matter, know Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker? Is it like, "Meet your new boss, Darth Vader." "Actually, you can call me Anakin Skywalker. My friends call me Annie. Darth Vader is like my formal job title, and we here at Empire, Inc, like to keep things a little casual, you know? We even have a Hawaiian shirt day!"
Using the Force while being hunted by the Inquisitors is like riding in a lift with one other person and letting out a quiet one.
Disney has a fundamental misunderstanding of the Jedi. I'm also now completely convinced they have no lore master at all.
Glad someone brought up the Grand Inquisitor. They confirm his death in Ep 3. But this all happens before rebels.
But no one is every really gone. Snoke clones are a thing.
@@Edax_Royeaux they didn't clean the tank well left some inquisitior goo in when they cloned palpatine and that's how snoke was born.
I'm joking but this is Disney so...
It gives me great joy to hear so many grown men yell in frustration that they can't catch tiny Leia when she runs away when they obviously should.
Does Leia now somehow forget she ever met Obi-wan, when she sends the message for help to Obi-Wan in “A New Hope” and she says,
“General Kenobi. Years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack, and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope”
It just blows my mind how they have nerfed obiwan. Human history is full of religious folks who have had their religion decimated while they survived. Folks have still carried on, believing in the “will of god” that this was part of the plan. Those same ppl would have been sad about losing a friend in the persecution. But not abandoned their beliefs. This shows what a lack of even the desire to try to be creative by Disney. It’s easier to just give him the Jake treatment. Instead of having him learning to use the force in subtle ways or last case scenario, we have him not even remember he has it.
Exactly. I always took a view of the Jedi being like pagans who had to hide away after Christianization of Rome (which ties into Anakin's Christ like mythos). Many pagan cults still existed, but in hiding out of fear of persecution.
@@amuroray88 lmao wtf. Do you just mean the comperative situation or that christians are like the Empire and jedi like pagans
@@Aemond2024 both. The rule of the empire is synonymous with the dark ages after paganism fell, and why the universe seems more primitive despite being in the future. That's probably what George had in mind, since star wars is heavily inspired by history and mythology. Alternatively, the Jedi could be Jews, and Anakin storming the Jedi temple could be like Christ whipping corruption out of the 2nd temple, but I think that's more of a stretch
@@Aemond2024 I agree. The Empire is a secular force and the comparison doesn't mesh terribly well.
It meshes better with persecution of specific religious groups by secular government-backed forces.
I feel like even Darth Vader would think the Inquisitors are too much. They're just so edgy, they're like walking gaming PCs.
Maybe he makes them dress that way to humiliate them 😆
Inquisitors here are a J O K E. Watch rebels or play Jedi: Fallen Order and its like they arent the same people at all.
Part 2 on monday instead of wednesday??? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
He did say they were aiming for a Sunday-Wednesday-Sunday-Wednesday-Sunday-Wednesday schedule (on Drinker's Open Bar I think) but not sure how that is supposed to work out with the final episode only releasing in 16 days.
@@catmasterOP Since they got two eps at once they're releasing episode 3 on the wednesday due to the backlog, or at least that's what I think he meant.
Fringy: so how is Reva not ruined by this...
Rags: I guess she'll say it was Kenobi who killed the grand inquisitor
Jay: then what happened with you? How are you alive?
Reva: are you kidding? The force is female, I am female a minority in the usa fighting against a white male privileged high class Jedi... No way he could kill me... Especially in a Didney production led by my queen kennedy
Mauler: yeah that checks out!
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I can feel MauLer's rage in this lol. So much to unpack in this one. Can't wait for your guys' Ep. 3 reaction. Looking forward to a full breakdown EFAP on the season😁
Ok so let me get this straight. Reva voluntarily joined the inquisitors as the third sister and is considered the lowest ranked (despite the fact I'm pretty sure that's not how the numbering system worked in Rebels), but gets away with repeatedly disobeying the Grand Inquisitor with nothing but a stern talking to. Even when he finds out she kidnapped an imperial senator's daughter, against his orders, he still not only lets her live, but doesn't even make sure that she leaves like he tells her to by having someone escort her back to the ship. She then posts a bounty on Kenobi to specifically fuck with his plans to catch him. When he catches her, she's got Kenobi cornered and decides that now is finally the time to do something about it, instead of prioritizing capturing or killing one of the most powerful Jedi left. He then lets her get close enough to stab him through the chest, despite knowing she's disloyal to him, and dies whilst Kenobi escapes. Did I get that right? Leaving aside the slight continuity error that the Grand Inquisitor is very much alive and well in Rebels season 1, why have they ruined his character and turned him into a complete idiot? I promise he wasn't this stupid in Rebels. He was actually fairly intimidating because he was voiced by Lucius Malfoy instead of this clown and his head didn't look like a melon. Stupid spinning lightsaber aside, I actually quite liked him as a villain and was kind of disappointed that they killed him off so quickly. This version is just raw cringe. Apparently Disney got bored of ruining cool Star Wars characters other people made and decided to ruin their own characters too.
I find it odd that a discarded clone would be allowed to wander off with Republic/Empire issued *government property*
That armor was bought and paid for and may not even be legal for a civilian to own.
Could be a deserter, their is a history of a few in cannon sources going rouge before.
I'm surprised he was allowed to live. I imagine releasing millions of hardened veterans with military equipment may lead to some unrest
I hate to say this, but maybe Bad Batch season 2 will explain this. You shouldn't need other material to explain things like this, but it'd be better than nothing.
Simple answer, is that he defected after order 66.
@@theirDevil Doesn't the inhibitor chips from new disney canon make that impossible now?
@@Avariths you think I keep up with Disney Cannon!? Ha! No.
Wait.... Why doesn't Obi already have a bounty on himself by now? It's been 10 years, and they never found him on Utapau so... They should be putting him on most wanted war criminal. Especially if Vader is looking for him
To be more fair than the show deserves, it could be she just put out an update on the bounty letting them know he was in the area, or added more money to an existing bounty. Both of those explanations would still have everything line up with what the show has said from what I can tell.