George Hudson: Railway King or Prince of Darkness?

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  • Entrepreneur, politician, businessman, visionary, benefactor, conman. There’s a lot to unpick with old George.
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  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith 3 роки тому +65

    Yes please - Railway Mania needs your serious consideration and thus our education

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 3 роки тому +2

      True. But it is quite a subject to cover

    • @dvdvnr
      @dvdvnr 3 роки тому +3

      Yes, another vote for this from me as well! Of course, as it a big subject then a whole series is obviously the answer! :D

    • @RailwayManiaNet
      @RailwayManiaNet 3 роки тому +1

      Yes I do ;)

  • @Peasmouldia
    @Peasmouldia 3 роки тому +143

    Notable that like many "self made men" Hudson inherited a large fortune at an early age..Reminds me of more contemporary figures.
    Thanks JH.

    • @tonymaries1652
      @tonymaries1652 3 роки тому +3

      I wonder who one of those could be? The soon-to-be ex president of the United States?

    • @bipbipletucha
      @bipbipletucha 3 роки тому +1

      @@tonymaries1652 wow, I was thinking exactly that! Wonder why...

    • @PianoKwanMan
      @PianoKwanMan 3 роки тому +1

      I wasn't. I was thinking of a beardy fellow that likes the colour red. I don't think he's ever had a partner

    • @jollyroger35
      @jollyroger35 3 роки тому

      To add some perspective.
      First, 3 million of todays dollars would not be considered a large fortune. If you live off only the interest income that would provide, at todays low rates, it would give you at best a comfortable middle income.
      Second, most people who've inherited that much or more squirrel it away rather than turn it into something vastly larger. Even though Hudson and his companies ended up in debt, what he controlled at his peak was vastly more than the original inheritance.
      Also, I would say there are still many more self made men who actually started with nothing. We all know of many.

    • @marcellusaaron7221
      @marcellusaaron7221 2 роки тому

      you prolly dont care at all but does anyone know a method to get back into an Instagram account??
      I stupidly lost my login password. I love any tips you can give me

  • @billiondollarman3847
    @billiondollarman3847 3 роки тому +36

    Thank God you survived the Rotherhithe Tunnel walk and are able to still bring us these Epic delights on Historical Tales concerning Railways of the UK.

    • @briocheoleary5043
      @briocheoleary5043 3 роки тому

      Yeah I saw a londonist video a couple of years ago where this hot girl walked through the tunnel, and I thought she was going to choke on the fumes

  • @TheErador
    @TheErador 3 роки тому +39

    Flippin' 'eck lad, tha's left lundun!

  • @SamuelFurse
    @SamuelFurse 3 роки тому +35

    Railway mania video-yes please!

  • @RossMaynardProcessExcellence
    @RossMaynardProcessExcellence 3 роки тому +14

    In the 1980s I worked for British Rail and was based in Hudson House in York. That was the original York Station - a terminus. A new station had to be built when the railway continued north. Hudson House is now (I think) offices for York City Council and is opposite the Grand Hotel - which was Eastern Region headquarters. Nice place to work.

    • @markknight3983
      @markknight3983 3 роки тому +1

      Hi Ross,
      Hudson House has now been demolished and been redeveloped.
      The old railway station is now the council HQ and is spectacular - to build it they knocked a hole in the city walls which is still there.
      The new railway station is the one which is still used today and the old BR Eastern HQ is now a 5 star hotel.
      .

  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 3 роки тому +16

    Yes, I'd be interested the "Railway Mania" era. I've long wondered how otherwise sane people were persuaded to believe that there was money to be made by building a line between East Godforsaken and Upper Middle of Nowhere.

    • @EndingSimple
      @EndingSimple Рік тому

      The internet bubble was another mania. Same stupid stuff, different technology. The person who wrote the book on this is Charles Mackay.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds. New technology offend creates manias. Nanotechnology was supposed to be the next one, but it turned out to be too hard to do.

  • @simonwhitlock9189
    @simonwhitlock9189 3 роки тому +29

    "Now I'm no economist", I can sympathize.

  • @angienorthey
    @angienorthey 3 роки тому +2

    I know Churton Street in Pimlico very well. Once installed a phone line in a brothel above the Indian takeaway in the '90's. Happy days!!

  • @johncrwarner
    @johncrwarner 3 роки тому +6

    Being born in West Yorkshire
    I was always fascinated by
    the structure of the railways in Yorkshire
    and why York was such an important hub
    given that it was otherwise a largely medieval city
    Hudson's railways seems to explain the reason
    that changing at York was one of the frequent things
    when I travelled by train.

  • @caileanshields4545
    @caileanshields4545 3 роки тому +3

    Ol' Hudson very much puts me in mind of Charles Yerkes: equal parts entrepreneurs, visionaries and swindling conmen. Hard to imagine what both the Underground and the British heavy rail network would've looked like without them in spite of their various misdeeds.
    Oh, and I can't wait to sink my teeth into the Railway Mania content, a subject that's been dying for your unique eye to be cast over it.

  • @dambrooks7578
    @dambrooks7578 3 роки тому +16

    Railway Mania sounds like a wonderful subject to deepdive into because obviously that was one of the contributing factors in the British Empires expansion, occupation and inverted investment in places like India; all that fertile railwaylerable landscapes (okay I might have just coined that as a term for the ground on which to grow railway tracks...).

  • @baxtermarrison5361
    @baxtermarrison5361 3 роки тому +12

    Growing up and being educated in the fine city of York, the story of Hudson is well known. It is interesting how his achievements are generally overlooked, although not entirely unsurprising.

  • @ernestbywater411
    @ernestbywater411 3 роки тому +23

    Yes, the railroad mania does need to explained in more detail using your interesting style of reporting.

    • @C2K777
      @C2K777 3 роки тому

      RailWAY chap. Way not Road. JH has confused, surprised, concerned and delighted us all with his annual jaunt outside of the M25 however that's enough bewilderment for the occasional ( rather than seasoned) viewer & we don't need those 'Americanisms' of language rearing their heads & causing more confudelment 😉
      - And im allowed to tell you that as im a Canuck living in the UK

    • @ernestbywater411
      @ernestbywater411 3 роки тому +2

      @@C2K777 To us Aussies you use a railway service to ride a railroad. However, feel free to call it what you will.

    • @C2K777
      @C2K777 3 роки тому

      @@ernestbywater411 Pure bloody madness Ernest, madness I tell you! 😂

    • @ernestbywater411
      @ernestbywater411 3 роки тому

      @@C2K777 Well, what do you expect from a country where most of it's founding white people were a mix of poor Scots, poor Yorkshiremen, poor Welshmen, and a lot of poor Irish being suppressed by a few British aristocrat types and their soldiers.

  • @jerribee1
    @jerribee1 3 роки тому +12

    Yes, please do a video on the Railway Mania.

  • @integralhighspeedusb
    @integralhighspeedusb 3 роки тому +5

    Thank you. I for one would enjoy a railway mania video. I enjoy all the others so why not?

  • @michaeldibb
    @michaeldibb 3 роки тому +1

    My local town of Tadcaster (home of three breweries, John Smith's, Sam Smith's and Coors) had a railway station built by George Hudson's NYMR.
    In 1847 the Leeds-York extension via Tadcaster was being built. An eleven arch viaduct over the River Wharfe had been completed and a few earthworks bit that all came to an abrupt end when Hudson fell from.Grace.
    The viaduct still stands today, but the station fell to the Breeching axe January 6th 1964. Infact it was the first station to close under Beeching's reforms.
    Great video by the way.

  • @zelden666
    @zelden666 3 роки тому +1

    My housemate used to live in George Hudsons drapers shop which he apparently apprenticed at before getting involved in railways. It's now a National Trust apartment which you can holiday in, or could in different times.

  • @hullhistorynerd
    @hullhistorynerd 3 роки тому +3

    Awesome stuff! Nice to see you in my neck of the woods for once. Funnily enough I've been researching Hudson a lot for my own videos about the history of Hull's railways. I was going to do a Hudson-centric part in a video on the York-Beverley line when lockdown 2: Electric Boogaloo hit. I think he's one of those figures where you have to separate the man himself from his positive achievements. He transformed the railways, especially in the north east, into an efficient, tightly knit network. Without him, the East Coast mainline wouldn't have been the speedway it is today. And the Railway Clearing House really changed everything for rail travel. All this stuff we still benefit from today was laid down by his dodgy dealings.
    He also made the railways he ran too big to fail. When his dealings came to light, the finances of his companies plummeted like a rock as they were punished for their role in his fraud. But the government couldn't let them fail, because that had become the backbone of industrial north east England. If they fell, so did a chunk of the economy. That's why they passed a bill forcing the companies to merge into the NER in the 1850s.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 роки тому +2

      True. I always get mixed feelings about him and his fellow shady Victorians for that very reason. So does history, I think - Hudson’s reputation seems to go up and down over time.

    • @hullhistorynerd
      @hullhistorynerd 3 роки тому +2

      @@JagoHazzard Oh don't get me wrong, he was shadier than a bloke in a transit van trying to sell you a second hand carpet as you're on your way back from the shop, but it's one of those odd situations where his crimes actually left a really beneficial legacy. Like if the bloke in the transit van suddenly supported a ton of local businesses, and thus jobs, through his dubious carpet selling business even though several bewildered home owners were left wondering where their carpets had gone.

  • @wombat1238marsupial
    @wombat1238marsupial 3 роки тому +10

    This was the Golden Age, if you look to the United States you had Cornelius Vanderbilt just as crocked but far more wealthier. This was the age of unbridled greed and fortunes to be made and lost. Great video😊

  • @michaeljames4904
    @michaeljames4904 3 роки тому +29

    So what you’re saying is an extensive railway network in England was founded in corruption and met its end at the same terminus? Sure you’ll post such a video, one of these days, still can’t wait to watch the complementary bookend to this one on Beeching _et alia porcos._

  • @hyperdistortion2
    @hyperdistortion2 3 роки тому +1

    As a follower of this channel, and a London-based son of York, all this footage of my hometown makes me very pleased!
    And I *am* an economist, so Hudson’s dealings fascinated me even more on that basis.

  • @NaomiClareNL
    @NaomiClareNL 3 роки тому +2

    I think you could make an excellent series following the family trees of the early 20th century railways in Britain back to their roots / railway mania. Your humour / wit is much appreciated.

  • @Aengus42
    @Aengus42 3 роки тому +1

    Liked, subb'd & "Yes please!" to Railway Mania!
    But OMG just hearing the name "Beeching" makes me sad for what could've been. I used to live just near what's left of Brixham station. Now, the Paignton to Kingswear line is a huge success. Seeing the Flying Scotsman thunder over Broadsands viaduct is something I'll never forget! (My Nan's phone number used to be 4472 until they decided to add numbers to the front of it!)
    But just imagine the Torbay Steam Railway with the Brixham branch still intact.
    Such a shame! And he buggered up the railways of the whole country to feed his boss' pockets. His minister at the time was Marples who owned Marples Ridgeway!
    Now, I wonder by the owner of a road building company wrecked our railways.
    Just think how much carbon could be saved with the original network of rail?
    Such an aching shame! Typical tory scam!

  • @comicus01
    @comicus01 3 роки тому +2

    Good story. But I also really liked all the footage and photos of York. On my 2nd trip to the UK last year I spent a few days there, including an entire day at the National Railway Museum. Walked all over the old part of the city, saw the Minster, etc. So it was nice seeing several locations that I recognized!

  • @WilliamHBaird-eq2hp
    @WilliamHBaird-eq2hp 2 роки тому +1

    Oh to have a time machine and meet Mr George Stephenson...
    ( and ... Mr. George Hudson) :-)

  • @shaunwest3612
    @shaunwest3612 3 роки тому

    Great video jago, great story, he probably wasn't the only crook to grace the early railways, for railway history York is a fantastic place to start, and beautiful 👌👍😀

  • @dontcheckmychanel
    @dontcheckmychanel 3 роки тому +128

    "Self made man"? Get out of town. You said less than a minute earlier that he inherited three million pounds in today's money.
    Edit: Lol he gave every single comment a heart except mine.

    • @SteveGillham
      @SteveGillham 3 роки тому +49

      Sounds like another "Self made man" who received $400 million from his father. lol

    • @agolftwittler1223
      @agolftwittler1223 3 роки тому +8

      @dontcheckmychannel Spot on.
      Thank you, saved me the trouble 😎

    • @agolftwittler1223
      @agolftwittler1223 3 роки тому +7

      ​@@SteveGillham Exactly 🎃

    • @acasccseea4434
      @acasccseea4434 3 роки тому +8

      He married into money, therefore selfmade man?

    • @peterdavy6110
      @peterdavy6110 3 роки тому +4

      @@acasccseea4434 Name a better way to make it. Our town's greatest benefactor got his start marrying the boss's widow Tried and tested method.

  • @garrymartin6474
    @garrymartin6474 3 роки тому +1

    York Station has to be one of my favourite buildings in the world, arrival there being the start of many happy day out. I"m looking forward to walking those streets again and calling in the local taverns for a refreshing pint.

  • @GothicSteamEngine96
    @GothicSteamEngine96 3 роки тому +3

    I enjoyed your take on the Hudson story very much. I look forward to the railway mania video when you put it out, good work!

  • @chrisgurney2467
    @chrisgurney2467 3 роки тому +8

    And quietly in the Background Overend Gurney and Co was loaning the money out.....

  • @user-pw3tr1xg2x
    @user-pw3tr1xg2x 3 роки тому +5

    Interesting video.Thanks Jago.

  • @oc2phish07
    @oc2phish07 3 роки тому

    A thoroughly interesting and entertaining video. Made even better for me as I had a week's holiday in York in 2019 and your video brought back some wonderful memories. Ahhh! Betty's Tea Rooms!

  • @neilthehermit4655
    @neilthehermit4655 3 роки тому

    Railway Mania- definitely worth a video or a series of them. Thanks for another great video.

  • @ap_red
    @ap_red 3 роки тому +2

    Small thing, but near York Station, in the southwestern side of the river is George Hudson Street. Mainly known by students as the home of several night clubs

    • @j2simpso
      @j2simpso 3 роки тому +1

      As someone who studied at the University of York I take exception to that remark! 😛

  • @BJHolloway1
    @BJHolloway1 3 роки тому

    Another good video with well thought through content. Please continue the story educating us more about Railway Mania.

  • @michaelwhittaker4246
    @michaelwhittaker4246 3 роки тому

    There is a large portrait of Hudson in the museum they made out of Monkwearmouth Station in Sunderland.

  • @BlaiddLlwyd
    @BlaiddLlwyd 3 роки тому

    A video on the Railway Mania would be great. It helped shape the system and it's a fascinating story in its own right.

  • @frasermitchell9183
    @frasermitchell9183 3 роки тому

    from Fraser, husband of Leslie
    And the next man to come along was Charles Yerkes ! After street railways (aka tramways in the UK) in Chicago, he took over existing sub-surface lines in London, then started to develop the deeper "tube" railways, but never saw them open as he died in New York in 1905 shortly before the lines now called the Bakerloo, and the Piccadily lines opened

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 роки тому

      Yerkes fascinates me. I did a video on him a while back, but it really only scratched the surface. He’s cropping up again in a video I’m releasing in January.

  • @1258-Eckhart
    @1258-Eckhart 3 роки тому +2

    In 1914, you could get from more ar less anywhere at all in England (if not Britain) to anywhere at all on the railway, sometimes (as in S. London) even with a choice of railways for the same journey. Definitely worth a video, for which a perusal of Bradshaw's Railway Maps may prove helpful.

    • @KKTR3
      @KKTR3 Рік тому

      You could even get from Bossall to York on a train
      And that was a mediaeval deserted plague village
      2 miles short of Hudson’s birthplace

  • @ianmaddams9577
    @ianmaddams9577 3 роки тому

    Another great informative video Jago . Can’t stop watching and learning loads from your vids 👍🏻

  • @helloed294
    @helloed294 3 роки тому

    I’d go crazy for a video on railway mania. Great video as always.

  • @paultidd9332
    @paultidd9332 3 роки тому +2

    You’ve ventured out of London? At least you came to ‘God’s own county’, Yorkshire! A fascinating video and I have really learnt something and I will view my next visit to York (which is quite often living only in Leeds) with renewed interest and thought.

  • @roberthuron9160
    @roberthuron9160 3 роки тому

    For starters,on the Railway Mania,(parts1&2),also the parallel US,manias,see George Dow( Great Central,alias Manchester,Sheffield,and Lincolnshire),then Midland Railway,and the notorious London and Northwestern under Huish,Hisham, contributed to that network,but Hudson got the brunt of it,while the others got written out! The sins of omission,in any case,need to be redressed! It was no one man band,and the Parliament wasn't a group of idle bystanders,that also needs to be objectively addressed,lots of work there! Thank you,Jago,a most engrossing and educational video! 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚉🚉🚉🚉🚉🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚈🚈🚈🚈🚈🎠🎠🎠🎠🎠

  • @stevesalvage1089
    @stevesalvage1089 3 роки тому

    Yes more please , fine film , and things I never knew about , many thanks !

  • @EndingSimple
    @EndingSimple Рік тому

    Came here from playing Railroad 3 Tycoon 3., which mentions Hudson and his role in British railroad history. Said he was sort like a prototype of the American Robber Barrons. Seems a spot on take.

  • @TfL1901
    @TfL1901 Рік тому

    So many of those town names turn up in Ontario, Canada. Whitby, Scarborough, Pickering…

  • @MrGreatplum
    @MrGreatplum 3 роки тому

    Fascinating stuff, Jago! Always good to get a shot of the blue Costa at York station!

  • @sirrliv
    @sirrliv 3 роки тому +5

    I certainly would be interested in more stories of early railway development and the skullduggery therein. Might I suggest getting in touch with Anthony Leslie Dawson, a highly regarded scholar of early railway history and more recently a fellow UA-camr. Perhaps a collaboration between your two channels might be in order, and the topic of the Railway Mania might be just the ticket, especially as there was more than just one; there's the one you alluded to in this video in the 1840's, and another in the 1860's that was brought to an end with the collapse of the banking firm of Overend, Gurney, and Co. in 1866.

    • @foowashere
      @foowashere 3 роки тому +1

      Oh, Dawson’s channel look very interesting. I’ll give it a sub. Thank you for the tip!

  • @jerrysims6691
    @jerrysims6691 3 роки тому +1

    More excellent history - yes please, Jago, more of the same will go down nicely. Many thanks.

  • @johntyjp
    @johntyjp 3 роки тому

    So many of our railways came together piecemeal , people like Hudson drew lines on a map then shoved a Bill through Parliament . There was no real planning when it came to major trunk routes during "The Mania". The Settle to Carlisle was a later example but it became a railway wonder for us to enjoy today😃

  • @jimbegin6554
    @jimbegin6554 3 роки тому +4

    Please do a Railway Mania follow up for a near insatiable railway maniac - may send me loco?
    A shame there wasn’t full collaboration at the outset of “Railway Mania”. Too many get rich quick schemes at the beginning! Hindsight.... And, today, have we learnt anything?
    Oh, a good informative video. Thanks!

  • @richardberechula2942
    @richardberechula2942 3 роки тому

    Railway Baron brings the 1st railway into the ancient city of York ..... BY PUNCHING A STONKING GREAT 'OLE THROUGH ITS MEDIEVAL WALLS and building his station, rail yard and hotel INSIDE THE LIMITS OF THE WALLED CITY (as seen in the engraving, early on).
    Just imagine trying to pull off a stunt like that today!
    At the turn of the millennium I worked (for a good few years) in various spots within that amazing plot of railway land, incl. in the premises of the former hotel and even of the stables/blacksmith's. 'Twas truly a 'railway city' - and a beautiful one at that!

  • @adele08t64
    @adele08t64 3 роки тому

    Very Informative... from a York resident

  • @BarneyLeith
    @BarneyLeith 3 роки тому

    Fascinating! Definitely make a video about the railway mania!

  • @PeterT1981
    @PeterT1981 3 роки тому

    I’m absolutely interested in an episode or multiple episodes about railway-mania in the 19th century. I love the pace and wit of your videos. Marvelous on every level. Thank You!

  • @RossMaynardProcessExcellence
    @RossMaynardProcessExcellence 3 роки тому +2

    Yes please to railway mania video. A video on the connections from Richard Trevithick to William Murdoch to John Blenkinsop to William Hedley and then to George Stephenson would also be interesting - the development of high pressure steam and steam locomotives

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 3 роки тому +1

      I think you will find that Jago has already provided this in an excellent 3 part series "Rocket'n'Roll" which goes back to Trevithick - and is indeed done in the interesting, skilful and concise way that one would expect of him.

  • @fhwolthuis
    @fhwolthuis 3 роки тому

    Very interesting video! Also need to go to York by the looks of it, it's so picturesque 😁

  • @elizabethspedding1975
    @elizabethspedding1975 3 роки тому

    Thank-you for telling me about him.

  • @daveherbert6215
    @daveherbert6215 3 роки тому

    Love to see a video on railway mania. Great video on Hudson by the way

  • @marienbad2
    @marienbad2 3 роки тому

    Another great video and another fascinating look at the dodgy pioneers who brought the railways to the country.

  • @mastertrams
    @mastertrams 3 роки тому +2

    You mention Beeching...
    Can I just point out that over the ~40 years prior to and including the Beeching cuts, the Beeching Axe only closed around about a third of all the railways closed during this period. And it wasn't even his decision. He was ordered to make the report by the DfT, who promptly ignored his proposals and closed railways to their hearts desire. True, he'd suggested many railways for closure, but just because they appeared on his report did not mean the government would close them.

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 3 роки тому +1

      All over Europe, Australia and plenty of other places, branch lines were closed when they couldn't compete with cars, buses and trucks. No responsible government could continue to pump money into lines that were little used and hemorrhaging money when voters wanted that money spent on more popular things like schools, hospitals and even reducing taxes.

    • @mastertrams
      @mastertrams 3 роки тому +1

      @@Dave_Sisson And no responsible government would practically ignore the advice they themselves commissioned from the head of the railways themselves. Beeching gave them one suggestion as to which railways would close (and there were quite a few), whilst the government ignored this and closed whichever lines they pleased.

  • @Blucker1969
    @Blucker1969 3 роки тому

    Yes please! Railway mania. Loved your reconstruction by the way!

  • @Alan_UK
    @Alan_UK 3 роки тому +1

    I read the book "George Hudson: The Rise and Fall of the Railway King" and enjoyed it very much. I enjoyed your video as well, a very good summary of Hudson's life. re videos on the Railway Mania - yes please!

  • @AZ-74
    @AZ-74 3 роки тому

    Wonderful footage of York

  • @grahampaulkendrick7845
    @grahampaulkendrick7845 3 роки тому

    Railway Mania? Yes, please. There was also a piano mania in the 1890s!

  • @myriampro4973
    @myriampro4973 3 роки тому

    Thanks, now I'm obsessed with that magnificent portrait of Richard Trevithick. Nice video anyways!

  • @robertbench4664
    @robertbench4664 2 роки тому

    Always enjoy your videos.Maybe you could do one on the conflicts between the Midland,London and Birmingham and Great Western Railways in the early days of the Railways around the west midlands.As a matter of interest there still exists the original Hampton-in Arden Station of the Midland Railway that got there before the London and Birmingham line got to that location.Also enjoy your model railway videos!

  • @rogerbarton497
    @rogerbarton497 3 роки тому +1

    9:14 "Reconstruction" - Priceless

  • @stephengoldborough5189
    @stephengoldborough5189 3 роки тому +9

    I'm in the same quandary about Charles Yerkes, the London tube financier. Cheated the investors I guess, but once electric trams were running, deep tube lines weren't going to make any money for anybody. I worry about what would have happened to the growth of London without his foressight.

    • @2H80vids
      @2H80vids 3 роки тому +2

      Quite agree. London benefitted immensely from what Yerkes did but many suffered in the process. If Westminster hadn't been afraid to get involved, things could have been very different.
      Quite possibly the most important factor in shaping London's transport system was the ban on stations south of the New Road, one of few serious interventions made by the parliaments of the era.
      Aside from various other effects, this pretty much forced the railways underground, or should that be UndergrounD?

    • @MervynPartin
      @MervynPartin 3 роки тому +2

      Yerkes was a convicted crook in USA before getting involved with the London Underground, when he continued his dubious practices of thwarting any competition, so that his own pockets were lined.
      His "philanthropic" acts were to curry favour, rather than be charitable (eg. the Yerkes Observatory) but his greed did benefit the expansion of the London Underground, so the residents did get something out of it.
      Perhaps some advances are driven by crooks so I understand your quandary.

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 3 роки тому +2

      I was going to make a similar comment especially having seen Jago's earlier video on Yerkes. Definite parallels between the two. There are not many transport undertakings that are profitable; most seem to need either a wealthy benefactor, or slightly dodgy accounting, or a government or civic subsidy. Interesting that Hudson formed the Railway Clearing House which was of great benefit to all UK railways, I hadn't known that.

    • @2H80vids
      @2H80vids 3 роки тому

      @@iankemp1131 I think I had read that somewhere. It seems like a bit of a strange one right enough though. The RCH was a massive operation, fingers in loads of pies and, from what I know, a great help to the smaller railway companies - quite a legacy for a dodgy geezer like Hudson.😁

    • @iankemp1131
      @iankemp1131 3 роки тому +1

      @@2H80vids Indeed, I'm sure he didn't do it from philanthropy! But thinking about it, it seems to make sense. He wanted his railways to be at the core of a national network with lots of feeder lines, so if ticket sales for long journeys got shared efficiently between all the lines involved, that should help his empire be profitable and provide the revenue for more (financially dubious) expansion. It so happened that the spinoffs were beneficial for all railways - just as Londoners for over a century have benefited from the legacy of Yerkes' dodgy dealings.

  • @cooperised
    @cooperised 3 роки тому

    As a York resident in the present day, I see Hudson as a (flawed) hero. York's railway connections were battered by Beeching but are still excellent - I can be in London in less than two hours, with direct trains all over the country.

  • @beeble2003
    @beeble2003 3 роки тому

    2:12 "In 1834, [Hudson] met George Stephenson, the railway pioneer, at Whitby."
    True fact: they were both there for the goth weekend.

  • @johnsowerby7182
    @johnsowerby7182 3 роки тому

    First up, thank you for this video. Growing up in East Yorkshire with an interest in railways, Hudson was someone I did know about. Certainly a crook, but without whom there would have been a lot less development in the North of England.
    Certainly a vote from me for the Railway Mania video

  • @christopherr.2137
    @christopherr.2137 3 роки тому

    11 minute video damn I will need a second cup of coffee for this one super interesting as always Jago

  • @Locomotiveman1994
    @Locomotiveman1994 3 роки тому

    More railway history? Yes please!

  • @jollyrogererVF84
    @jollyrogererVF84 3 роки тому +1

    Yes, you should make a railway mania video. And you'd enjoy doing too

  • @georgec2126
    @georgec2126 Рік тому

    Talking of 'left behind', I live near Ripon in North Yorkshire and am always amazed that a cathedral city like Ripon has had its station removed. It just doesn't seem right. 😐

  • @jameshatfield1194
    @jameshatfield1194 3 роки тому +3

    yes please Railway Mania sounds good

  • @alanrobertson9790
    @alanrobertson9790 3 роки тому +1

    The Channel tunnel never made money for the shareholders but we have a tunnel. Maybe Hudson could be viewed in the same light.

  • @AndrewG1989
    @AndrewG1989 3 роки тому

    Loving the history in your videos. Londonist also done videos with history with London. And I’ve been to York which has got lots of history.

  • @jovanweismiller7114
    @jovanweismiller7114 3 роки тому

    Railway mania sounds like a fascinating story.

  • @4KExplorer
    @4KExplorer 3 роки тому

    Reminds me of my uni days, stumbling past George Hudson Street after a night out on Micklegate.

  • @nutsnproud6932
    @nutsnproud6932 3 роки тому

    Thanks Jago I learned something new today. Seasons Greetings.

  • @jimthorne304
    @jimthorne304 2 роки тому

    There was a whiff of fraud around a number of companies, the most egregious known to me is the Golden Valley line, which ran from Pontrilas to Hay on Wye, but which then promoted a railway from Pontrilas to Monmouth; not one inch of this was built, however some 1/4 Million Pounds disappeared without any railway. Other dubious lines were the Bishop's Castle Railway - floated as a 'direct' line from Craven Arms to Newtown in Wales, but only half of this line plus a branch to Bishop's Castle was ever built, and the line spent its entire life in receivership.
    I've heard it suggested that some of these lines were promoted by contractors who then got the job of building the line (or not, as the case may be). There's probably an MA waiting for someone who cares to dig up details of fraudulent railways and other fraudulent Victorian enterprises (mining was notorious for dubious companies).

  • @shauntodd7123
    @shauntodd7123 3 роки тому

    Amazing and indepth as allways Jago

  • @asheland_numismatics
    @asheland_numismatics 3 роки тому

    Your videos are top notch. Keep them coming!

  • @cris_261
    @cris_261 3 роки тому

    The robber barons of the railroad scene in America would approve of George Hudson's antics.

  • @guyorsini1044
    @guyorsini1044 3 роки тому

    He sounds like one of the inspiration for the board game Rail Baron.

  • @ThomasTrue
    @ThomasTrue 3 роки тому

    Hudson actually got onto the board of the North British Railway, but he overplayed his hand there, and they were the first railway to defeat him.
    While happy to finance the NBR, to bribe other shareholders, and to have their main line from Edinburgh to Berwick, Hudson proposed ceasing all new railway building works in Scotland, and diverting funds for these to railway projects in England. As you may imagine, this went down like a lead balloon in the Edinburgh headquarters of the NBR. Some bribed directors were behind Hudson, but the company held their nerve, gathered a majority of directors behind them, and successfully saw off Hudson's proposal.
    But as was the style of the time, it was all done in a rather "gentlemanly" fashion, and the NBR board bought off Hudson with what we today would call a "golden handshake", recorded in the minutes book as "for our English Director".
    Curiously enough the NBR had their own 'railway king', who may have learned from Hudson. "King" Richard Hodgson of Carham Hall was NBR Chairman from 1855 to 1866, and oversaw the largest expansion of the company in it's history.
    This expansion relied very little on the NBR building their own lines, but instead they would mostly support railway building projects, including ones Hodgson knew were doomed to failure, and then the company would lease the lines, which was merely a prelude to wholesale buy out. Thus the NBR could buy ready made railways at a knock down price, while appearing to save the companies from liquidation.
    Now, you may ask how the NBR could afford all these buy outs, and the simple answer is they couldn't. Hodgson was cooking the books and paying shareholders out of capital.
    John Thomas, in "The North British Railway, Vol I" recounts that the night before the company's 1866 annual audit, Hodgson went to visit the company accountant, who told him, "I don't think I can hide the discrepancies this year. They are so glaring." To which Hodgson apparently replied "You MUST."
    The auditors arrived at the NBR HQ the following day, and went through the books all day, eventually leaving at 10:00pm, when the two customs men politely wished Richard Hodgson a good evening. If he breathed a sigh of relief, it was premature. For the following morning the customs men were back - with two police constables in tow.
    While Richard Hodgson was not arrested the entire debacle was an enormous scandal, which saw Hodgson dismissed as Chairman on order of the majority of the shareholders, and what can only be called a putsch followed, which almost saw the NBR being merged with their bitter rivals, the Caledonian Railway.
    As it was, one shareholder managed to get others to reject the merger with the CR, and the NBR went on to be not just the largest railway company, but the largest company in Scotland, and who for a short time in 1904, in Edinburgh Waverley had the largest railway station in the UK

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 роки тому +1

      I really ought to do more research into Scottish railways, it sounds like there are some fantastic stories there.

  • @Jules_Diplopia
    @Jules_Diplopia 3 роки тому +1

    More on Railway mania... yes please.

  • @MikeWilliams-yp9kl
    @MikeWilliams-yp9kl 3 роки тому

    Great video, another master piece

  • @j2simpso
    @j2simpso 3 роки тому +4

    No relation to Hudson’s Bay Company... or sausages! 🤣

  • @pmichael73
    @pmichael73 3 роки тому

    The pre-2000 internet economy was very similar to railway-mainia. Fortunes were made on vapourware and grand schemes that came to nowt.

  • @philtimms2463
    @philtimms2463 3 роки тому

    Excellent summary of a simple story made complicated by the fact the English are loath to call someone a crook if they've been a Lord Mayor 3 times.

  • @europacifictradersltd3717
    @europacifictradersltd3717 3 роки тому

    happy xmas jago. keep up the videos i find them interesting unimportant history. :)

  • @peterdavy6110
    @peterdavy6110 3 роки тому

    Yes to a video on railway mania. Early railway politics is fascinating stuff IMO. Have you looked at the rivalry between the Scots companies, the North British and the Caledonian. Ended up in a free fight between their employees on Waverley station.

    • @JagoHazzard
      @JagoHazzard  3 роки тому

      I haven’t heard about that, but now I’m going to look it up! I knew there were some major rivalries, IIRC the Highland men hated being lumped in with the Caledonian men at Grouping.

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 3 роки тому

      @@JagoHazzard There is the story that the Highland sold their "River" class engines (that's a story in itself!) to the Caledonian, but wouldn't accept a loss on the engines, so the Caledonian ended up paying a few hundred pounds over the odds per engine. The Caledonian had the last laugh, as having a reliable and strong engine in their stable to support the "60" class mixed-traffic engines (which were good up to about 60mph, but after that, well, not so good) was exactly what they needed.

  • @stevenflebbe
    @stevenflebbe 3 роки тому

    Thank you for a very interesting video, and yes, please...more about the railroad mania. I find it interesting that railroads seem to have so many of these shady characters associated with them...yet their personal greed turned out to be a long term benefit. For example...the companies that became London Underground and the Chicago Transit Authority were all consolidated by Charles Tyson Yerkes...who history has definitely painted as shady. But then, we did get good systems out of his work. Its almost as if it was a complicated issue

  • @JoseMorales-lw5nt
    @JoseMorales-lw5nt 3 роки тому

    If Railway Mania videos give us more of those great still shots of Sir Topum Hat, I say bring it on! 🤣🇵🇷🇺🇸🗽🦂😎

  • @Behindthebackdrop
    @Behindthebackdrop 3 роки тому

    I would love a video on Railway mania, that period of time sounds really interesting.

  • @maxbramwell.1598
    @maxbramwell.1598 3 роки тому

    I love this so much. You're videos are amazing.