They did invent toilets, running water, and batteries. The Egyptians made giant statues float with magnets which still baffles everyone on how exactly they did that and made them move.
A large amount of that comes from the scholars of the Enlightenment, who looked down on the very religious people of the "Dark Ages". No, those of the Enlightenment were more like the Romans and Greeks. (Nevermind that the Romans and Greeks were even more religiously superstitious than those during medieval Europe.)
People will still claim that there were no spring steel swords in the medieval-late-medieval period due to cognitive dissonance, and, after much frustration, I've learned to just... live with it, just as I have done with katana and nunchuck supramacists.
Nunchuck supremacists?! A rare breed indeed… how’d they survive this long?! : D (probably not nunchucks but I shouldn’t just assume, right?! I bet there’s some mallninja level weapon with magical powers that one nunchuckslap causes elemental aerialslashes cause of… I dunno black magick? Yeah that sounds realistic enough for a d&d game…) hmmmmmmmm gonna need to think deeply on these things so I don’t get caught off guard by someone’s Ultra SuperNunchucks… which would be a thing in db with a hair colour change & everything…(if nunchucks were cool….)
@@magnemoe1 The context of said art matters. It makes no sense to disregard something if the rest of the work is perfectly realistic. Are we supposed to disregard parts of today’s art if the entire piece is meant to be realistic?
It really is absurd how we assume that just because they came before us that our predecessors were stupid or just stumbling their way from advancement to advancement.
Yeah, and then, with Things our ancestors did, that WE today, with how much smarter we are compared to them, with all our knowledge, technology and sophistication, are unable to reproduce, then it was obviously Aliens. My favourite examples are from a Museum on the Celts. There they said, that the Celts created closed bracelets out of Glass, which you would wear on the upper arm. Apparently, to this day, they are unable to reproduce that. The Celts, with just Handtools and woodfires, created Glass bracelets modern craftsmen with modern Tools and technology, are unable to recreate. Similarly, they had a craftsman create a Replica of an ironclad Celtic (War?) Chariot, basically their equivalent to a modern Ferrari, which took him 2 years, iirc, because he had to come up with techniques they _could_ have had back then to recreate several of the things present on the Chariot. Though it has been some time since I was there last, probably close to a decade now, so there could have been developments on that front.
The thinking process of tempering steel back to a spring is rather logical. 1) You make a sword and quench it, as your father/mentor told you to quench the blade in water/oil. 2) You realize that when the sword is just quenched, its hardness also becomes a weakness because it is much more prone to snapping. 3) You remember that heating up the blade makes it softer again. So what if you heat it up just enough for it to glow a bit, but not enough to be back into its soft, malleable form. 4) After some trial and error, you find the perfect amount of time to heat the blade. Thus, the blade isn't rock-rigid, but it isn't soft like when it just started off. You've tempered the blade.
you know what? after a few times, i can say i like this shorter version of your videos way more than the main channel versions. being bite-size is certainly a plus!
i love the amateur's who believe that spring steel tempers were not around there are some swords that date back to the 9th century with spring steel tempers, we can tell this by taking metal samples from the blades and seeing the structure through electron microscopes even though they are badly corroded, this only further proves that Europe's blacksmiths were quite advanced, and truthfully i believe the technique to make spring steel was discovered purely by accident.
It's very much dependant on the quality of the ore as well. Europe have amazing quality ore that allowed for stuff like this to be made really early. Japan on the other hand have absolute shit quality ore so they have to make the whole process of making their weapons really long for any good results.
@damachinen most of this I have gotten from meusem pieces that have some pretty rare swords like Damascus such rare blades(unlike Damascus) were typically made by accident. A good example of these rarer swords were the kind used by viking Jarl's(lords) because of their mastery of the sea they picked up techniques from many places.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Our ancestors may not have had the full scientific understanding of the science they applied, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t know how to do things that were amazing for the time and still baffling today honestly
My soul just left my body when watching the guy bending a museum historical real sword. Honestly as a guy who loves swords ⚔️ and history and knows value Omg 😳
If a sword that isn't made from sprimg steel was being bent, then it would result in a sharp bend. The stress would go past the crtitical point in one location which will then absorb all the energy through plastic deformation.
That could be an interesting topic for a Video: could you fight with a sword that's bent like that? Would there be any advantages? What disadvantages are there compared to a normal sword? Shad did Things like that in the past, and now we have the back scabbard and double bladed sword. I think, if someone is qualified to proove or disproove the advantage of such a thing, it's probably Shad.
. I hope these addition, shorter, videos are helping. I love your videos and really enjoyed Adam's video. Oddly enough I was recommending your video before his when it came out. But I didn't have to look for it because it was a recommendation on your video.
I own a double edged thin rapier style blade forged somewhere in the late 1780 or there about, it's a clear duelers weapon that can both cut and pierce and it was made using a weak spring steel variant that certainly works very well. The only bad thing about it is that the original handle was removed so the sword could be easy hung on a wall sometime between 1860 and 1890. I know all of this as the blade still has the creator mark so I can track the blade that way and I know where it came from and why it was hung on a wall for over 80 years in a lodge. I only wish I knew how the handle should really look so that I could fully restore it to its original look, but sadly that's beyond my abilities to learn. It was made for an officer that ended his life in a duel, after fighting a few other duals, so chances are that the blade was once using to kill someone. From there it was kept by the officer's family until it was given over to the lodge and altered. But the main point here is that the blade was made with spring steel, as it will bend a bit and straighten back unless you hold it bent for a good while, then you need to bend it back. It's a bit weird how it works, but the blade it cleary bendable without getting damaged and springs back if it bends. Sadly though it's no longer pointed or cutting sharp as the blade it around 300 years old and shows clear traces of being used against other weapons, but it's still usable and since know how to use a sword, it's still a killing weapon. Thinking about it like that is actually deeply disturbing and knowing it has been used to kill, it both horrible, and strangely disturbing while still being interesting and something else that I just can't explain. It feels like it wants to be used, if that makes sense.
Not Medieval pieces, but I have personally witnessed this kind of flex on a couple approx. 300-350 year old German broadsword blades mounted in Scottish basket hilts. One of them bent almost double and returned immediately to true (the owner was a dealer in antique swords -- he had a lot of them -- and stated that this kind of springiness was the norm),
greetings I'm Shad....ow of the Conqueror while I really appreciate Shadi-universe on youtube it pales in comparison to the 11 out of 10 book a certain Shad M. Brooks has written you should push it more so I'll do it this time
How would you even transport a sword that is bent like that? You'd need bent sheaths/scabbards. And I imagine it'd be a of a hassle to draw, or even fight. Also, how would you fight? I imagine being bent like that would screw with the dynamics of the sword. Not to mention, depending on how strong the bent is, you would probably have to either spin the sword all the time (as in your hand, so the back edge becomes the front edge, so the bent is to the left or to the right) or engage in some acrobatics to defend positions. Though that could be an interesting topic for a Video: could you fight with a sword that's bent like that? Would there be any advantages? What disadvantages are there compared to a normal sword? Shad did Things like that in the past, and now we have the back scabbard and double bladed sword. I think, if someone is qualified to proove or disproove the advantage of such a thing, it's probably Shad.
Yes they rust if you dont maintain them, if i had a guess it would seem those swords have been preserved die to good conditions and good maintenance with regular oiling
...I don't understand this "spring steel didn't exist" argument. We *_have surviving swords from the medieval period._* And even before that! There are even surviving Roman-era iron blades. Not... many, not in the greatest condition, but they have been found and exist. And we *_have tested these swords from the medieval period and proven that they are spring steel._* Obviously not as high quality as modern spring steel, but spring steel nonetheless. So... What are these people that say it didn't exist rattling on about? It's demonstrably factual that they did exist. That isn't to say EVERY sword was spring steel, obviously... But they DID exist.
please stop trying to redefine "super cut". a super cut is the video equivalent of a collage: it is where you _cut_ together multiple clips from different, possibly related, videos. get it together.
Kinda crazy how much we underestimate our ancestors.
They did invent toilets, running water, and batteries. The Egyptians made giant statues float with magnets which still baffles everyone on how exactly they did that and made them move.
A large amount of that comes from the scholars of the Enlightenment, who looked down on the very religious people of the "Dark Ages". No, those of the Enlightenment were more like the Romans and Greeks. (Nevermind that the Romans and Greeks were even more religiously superstitious than those during medieval Europe.)
People will still claim that there were no spring steel swords in the medieval-late-medieval period due to cognitive dissonance, and, after much frustration, I've learned to just... live with it, just as I have done with katana and nunchuck supramacists.
Nunchuck supremacists?! A rare breed indeed… how’d they survive this long?! : D (probably not nunchucks but I shouldn’t just assume, right?! I bet there’s some mallninja level weapon with magical powers that one nunchuckslap causes elemental aerialslashes cause of… I dunno black magick? Yeah that sounds realistic enough for a d&d game…)
hmmmmmmmm gonna need to think deeply on these things so I don’t get caught off guard by someone’s Ultra SuperNunchucks… which would be a thing in db with a hair colour change & everything…(if nunchucks were cool….)
I have never heard "this is so good I'll nunchaku with it" stick on the other hand ^^
Highly detailed medieval artworks.
Random people: “This particular aspect in this otherwise accurate art is not real”
Showing an knight fighting an giant snail :)
@@magnemoe1 The context of said art matters. It makes no sense to disregard something if the rest of the work is perfectly realistic.
Are we supposed to disregard parts of today’s art if the entire piece is meant to be realistic?
It makes sense they would discover spring steel given the amount of steel swords they produced generally.
It really is absurd how we assume that just because they came before us that our predecessors were stupid or just stumbling their way from advancement to advancement.
Yeah, and then, with Things our ancestors did, that WE today, with how much smarter we are compared to them, with all our knowledge, technology and sophistication, are unable to reproduce, then it was obviously Aliens.
My favourite examples are from a Museum on the Celts. There they said, that the Celts created closed bracelets out of Glass, which you would wear on the upper arm. Apparently, to this day, they are unable to reproduce that. The Celts, with just Handtools and woodfires, created Glass bracelets modern craftsmen with modern Tools and technology, are unable to recreate.
Similarly, they had a craftsman create a Replica of an ironclad Celtic (War?) Chariot, basically their equivalent to a modern Ferrari, which took him 2 years, iirc, because he had to come up with techniques they _could_ have had back then to recreate several of the things present on the Chariot.
Though it has been some time since I was there last, probably close to a decade now, so there could have been developments on that front.
The thinking process of tempering steel back to a spring is rather logical.
1) You make a sword and quench it, as your father/mentor told you to quench the blade in water/oil.
2) You realize that when the sword is just quenched, its hardness also becomes a weakness because it is much more prone to snapping.
3) You remember that heating up the blade makes it softer again. So what if you heat it up just enough for it to glow a bit, but not enough to be back into its soft, malleable form.
4) After some trial and error, you find the perfect amount of time to heat the blade. Thus, the blade isn't rock-rigid, but it isn't soft like when it just started off. You've tempered the blade.
Adds another dimension to the term 'flexing' 😉
I love ALL THE SHADLANDS videos!!!! ❤
you know what? after a few times, i can say i like this shorter version of your videos way more than the main channel versions. being bite-size is certainly a plus!
Yeah I don't understand why he needs 2 charisma vacuum costars to do skits with, whom he has to pay, resulting in the begging videos.
@@megakristof3855 He did claim that the newer style of videos are/were doing better according to YT metrics. I'm still not sure if it's worth it.
i love the amateur's who believe that spring steel tempers were not around there are some swords that date back to the 9th century with spring steel tempers, we can tell this by taking metal samples from the blades and seeing the structure through electron microscopes even though they are badly corroded, this only further proves that Europe's blacksmiths were quite advanced, and truthfully i believe the technique to make spring steel was discovered purely by accident.
It's very much dependant on the quality of the ore as well. Europe have amazing quality ore that allowed for stuff like this to be made really early.
Japan on the other hand have absolute shit quality ore so they have to make the whole process of making their weapons really long for any good results.
Where does one find this information!? The consensus seems to 1800 for spring steel.
@damachinen most of this I have gotten from meusem pieces that have some pretty rare swords like Damascus such rare blades(unlike Damascus) were typically made by accident. A good example of these rarer swords were the kind used by viking Jarl's(lords) because of their mastery of the sea they picked up techniques from many places.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Our ancestors may not have had the full scientific understanding of the science they applied, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t know how to do things that were amazing for the time and still baffling today honestly
My soul just left my body when watching the guy bending a museum historical real sword. Honestly as a guy who loves swords ⚔️ and history and knows value Omg 😳
Shad-agorn isn't real, ladies. He can't seduce you.
Shad-agorn:
Swords!
yes
Swords
But what about dragons?
Springsteel swords are fascinating. And also, what about dragons WITH swords?
what about swords made out of dragon material?
A real great summary of spring steel in medieval times. ^^
If a sword that isn't made from sprimg steel was being bent, then it would result in a sharp bend. The stress would go past the crtitical point in one location which will then absorb all the energy through plastic deformation.
Your hair looks great in this video, it makes you look like a medieval lord.
That could be an interesting topic for a Video: could you fight with a sword that's bent like that? Would there be any advantages? What disadvantages are there compared to a normal sword?
Shad did Things like that in the past, and now we have the back scabbard and double bladed sword.
I think, if someone is qualified to proove or disproove the advantage of such a thing, it's probably Shad.
. I hope these addition, shorter, videos are helping.
I love your videos and really enjoyed Adam's video. Oddly enough I was recommending your video before his when it came out. But I didn't have to look for it because it was a recommendation on your video.
Afraid with many people u can show them evidence and they would still disagree lol
I own a double edged thin rapier style blade forged somewhere in the late 1780 or there about, it's a clear duelers weapon that can both cut and pierce and it was made using a weak spring steel variant that certainly works very well. The only bad thing about it is that the original handle was removed so the sword could be easy hung on a wall sometime between 1860 and 1890. I know all of this as the blade still has the creator mark so I can track the blade that way and I know where it came from and why it was hung on a wall for over 80 years in a lodge.
I only wish I knew how the handle should really look so that I could fully restore it to its original look, but sadly that's beyond my abilities to learn.
It was made for an officer that ended his life in a duel, after fighting a few other duals, so chances are that the blade was once using to kill someone. From there it was kept by the officer's family until it was given over to the lodge and altered.
But the main point here is that the blade was made with spring steel, as it will bend a bit and straighten back unless you hold it bent for a good while, then you need to bend it back. It's a bit weird how it works, but the blade it cleary bendable without getting damaged and springs back if it bends. Sadly though it's no longer pointed or cutting sharp as the blade it around 300 years old and shows clear traces of being used against other weapons, but it's still usable and since know how to use a sword, it's still a killing weapon. Thinking about it like that is actually deeply disturbing and knowing it has been used to kill, it both horrible, and strangely disturbing while still being interesting and something else that I just can't explain. It feels like it wants to be used, if that makes sense.
I seen that video too! you are right.. It also inspired my sword hobby again. it was so a good vid, as was thisone! keep it up
Not Medieval pieces, but I have personally witnessed this kind of flex on a couple approx. 300-350 year old German broadsword blades mounted in Scottish basket hilts. One of them bent almost double and returned immediately to true (the owner was a dealer in antique swords -- he had a lot of them -- and stated that this kind of springiness was the norm),
Great video as always
greetings I'm Shad....ow of the Conqueror while I really appreciate Shadi-universe on youtube it pales in comparison to the 11 out of 10 book a certain Shad M. Brooks has written
you should push it more so I'll do it this time
Seen that video and I enjoy the history of steel
Right when i saw the thumb nail i knew u were gonna bring up adams video it was really intresting to see
I miss Long Hair Shad 😂
Good info mate
Intresting
How would you even transport a sword that is bent like that? You'd need bent sheaths/scabbards. And I imagine it'd be a of a hassle to draw, or even fight.
Also, how would you fight? I imagine being bent like that would screw with the dynamics of the sword. Not to mention, depending on how strong the bent is, you would probably have to either spin the sword all the time (as in your hand, so the back edge becomes the front edge, so the bent is to the left or to the right) or engage in some acrobatics to defend positions.
Though that could be an interesting topic for a Video: could you fight with a sword that's bent like that? Would there be any advantages? What disadvantages are there compared to a normal sword?
Shad did Things like that in the past, and now we have the back scabbard and double bladed sword.
I think, if someone is qualified to proove or disproove the advantage of such a thing, it's probably Shad.
? Sheathes are flexible. So, bending a sheathe isn't a problem. Scabbards, you're SOL.
Bendy boi
So who was the “prominent UA-camr” who tried arguing there weren’t any spring steel swords in Europe?
Does spring steel rust? The examples in that video insert seemed remarkably well preserved.
Yes they rust if you dont maintain them, if i had a guess it would seem those swords have been preserved die to good conditions and good maintenance with regular oiling
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Keep makin' these videos. :)
For the algorithm!
for the youtube culture war
...I don't understand this "spring steel didn't exist" argument. We *_have surviving swords from the medieval period._* And even before that! There are even surviving Roman-era iron blades. Not... many, not in the greatest condition, but they have been found and exist. And we *_have tested these swords from the medieval period and proven that they are spring steel._* Obviously not as high quality as modern spring steel, but spring steel nonetheless. So... What are these people that say it didn't exist rattling on about? It's demonstrably factual that they did exist. That isn't to say EVERY sword was spring steel, obviously... But they DID exist.
please stop trying to redefine "super cut". a super cut is the video equivalent of a collage: it is where you _cut_ together multiple clips from different, possibly related, videos. get it together.
Lol
I think what he is going for is a more super edit (cut) than before. like when people talk about the directors cut. That’s my opinion anyway
It's not a "super cut", it's a "super" cut. Obviously.
You need a haircut