Genmitsu 4030 PROVerXL V2 CNC review: Nema 23 closed-loop stepper motor, ball screws, 400W spindle
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- 00:00 Intro
02:03 Setup
04:34 First test MDF engraving
05:35 Generating Gcode in Fusion 360 for another MDF engraving and cutting test
07:56 Solid wood(poplar wood and red oak) engraving and cutting test
11:13 Acrylic engraving and cutting test
12:35 Aluminum engraving and cutting test with stock 400W spindle
26:08 Aluminum cutting test with Makita wood router
30:27 Pros and Cons
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I prefer the new way you are leaving the machine sound on while cutting. More feedback is always better.
Aside from what looks like a wimpy stock spindle, this looks like a very capable machine. I would like to see at least some kind of adapter for a vacuum to remove chips so you don’t have to do it yourself periodically during operation (or after a job is done), though I’m sure one could be fabricated without too much hassle.
As for the change in sound…it’s nice being able to hear more of what the machine sounds like while operating with different materials. At the same time, the music is much more pleasant to listen to over the course of a full video. Tilt the balance of time spent listening to machine noises and to music a little more in favor of the music, and I think everyone would be happy. Great review!
hearing the sounds is VERY good for those who are new to CNC.
Thanks very much.
I can't wait until Bambu Lab develops a CNC milling/routing machine.
Very detailed video of the machine test, thank you for sharing that.
Review, you certainly know how to put it through its paces. Very thorough. Nice machine,mine has arrived, I hope to get it working soon
Finally a CNC review. Nice! 👍🙂
I don't even have to see the video to know I want to hear the machine sounds. It is the best indicator to judge how well a machine can handle the various materials. It allows me to judge chatter, spindle power issues (as in does it have trouble keeping up in RPM's on heavier loads) and much more. I would even go so far as to say it is a prerequisite for me as far as a good review goes.
Have not watched your channel in a while. Amazing you still look so young. Was hoping to see a little levity or laughing like you used to years ago. Still give the best advice and testing of new products. Wishing you and your brother well. Thanks for sharing and have a great day..
OMG, you are unstoppable! Great job again
Great review.
Noticeable technical skills.
Thanks for share.
Yes, hearing the sound give more info.
I planned to upgrade to this machine, so thanks for a showcase and for confirming my choice.
Aurora, I like to hear the tool noise for a few seconds...then I love your background music. Another great review which undoubtedly helps many viewers, including myself.
Great Video. I purchased this exact machine and totally regretting my purchase. Very difficult to get help from manufacturer, some parts are modified such that you cannot replace them. For example the Z axis ballscrew nut has been modified to fit this assembly; making replacing by most DIYers nearly impossible. Not able to find a parts list anywhere nor from manufacturer. I am now considering buying a new machine as my Genmitsu machine has become a paperweight basically. Hope this info helps anyone.
Solid review (despite the unusual mistakes); leaving the sound on definitly adds in a positive way....
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Like the cnc sound, music Is nice too but this way just hits different
Best young narrator on UA-cam. Great job.
Forever known as the the Batman mill 😋. Great work!
Awesome tests!! I hope you get the chance to review the 3030 prover max next!
Thank you for leaving out the background music whilst speaking, for those of us who have hearing issues it is a lot more difficult to pick out speech with the background music.
great review!! please review the Genmitsu 3030 Prover Max
Another excellent video! I have mixed thoughts on the music or machine sound.
I like the music more. Too much machine sound makes me want to mute the video until the cut is done. Partial sounds maybe at start and end are nice. The whole time, jeesh I can get that noise from my own machines, don't want it blasting through my TV.
great video!
The new way of review is nice without music can this machine cut steel ? and thanks for this video as always great job
Thanks for review! It would be great if we had equipment to measure noise when they mill aluminum.
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Nice video. It looks like an impressive machine. I have been using a MillRight Carve King (the original wood version), which is about the same size, about four (4) years now, without any problems. I am looking to expand my business and need another machine, so, I thought I would give this one a try and see how it compares to the MillRight Carve King. I 'pushed the button' the other day, Friday - Sept 16th, and ordered it.
Wow, this thing is massive!!
I am testing their even larger 6050 machine, will release the video this week.
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The sound of the bit helps in hearing bit noise
I ❤your channel and ask if it’s a default for your software to use climb milling versus conventional milling.
Im on the fence with the sound, it makes sense but I really didn’t like the jazz music before. It definitely makes sense though when reviewing CNC’s though. Thanks for the review!
@auroratech, that should read DID like the jazz music before. Autocorrect decided to kick in there!
Would love to see a decibel meter to see the noise of various materials/various bits and various speeds. Would be interesting to see if higher speed makes the machine louder or more quiet. These are desktop CNC so noise is a big concern to some people.
I would have liked to seen or heard comments in regards to the ability to carve 3d form (2.5 D) , bas relief. I like the music in that it standardized and established a good format to where you were in the review. A sample of the sound or showing the machine run with no commentary at the end might work. Also; I’ve worked with professional engraving my whole life and rarely, when engraving metal, is it done dry. A small amount of cutting oil for steel or I’ve even seen the old timers use gasoline for aluminum. Very small amounts, and use an old toothbrush to clear the chips or an air gun.
Great video
In re: Your music - James Hoffman in his Coffee Creamer roundup just pointed out that if you have two factions of viewers that prefer a different type of audio (eg "Slurps" vs "Disturbing slurps edited out" or "Music over test" vs "machine sounds over test"), you can abuse the new UA-cam translation dub system to upload a second audio track if you like. Personally, I think I prefer machine sounds as long as test segments are edited down to these brief clips.
That's a great idea.
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Thanks for your great video ❤
I am want to use light burn but can’t because I can’t see a positive workspace on the front left would you please show me how to do this or do a video tutorial that would be amazing
Thanks so much
I would be happy to sacrifice the close loop for some liniear rails
I like the sound of the machine in this video. However, the music works for me on 3D printers. :-). What post processor did you use in Fusion 360? I would recommend to use only carbide bits when cutting MDF. Nitrite coating is 100% marketing. It won't make a difference without coolant.
If you would make the rough cut at .03 /.004mm and then take a finish cut at say .002 you increase productivity and have a clean job.
you should have started the aluminum slots with the deeper ones closer to the vise jaw to minimize part flex. also i would be interested in a fusion 360 tutorial to make the gcode. i know how to make models just never used the CAM part.
Titans of CNC has a free Academy with Fusion360 CAM lessons for each component. Milling and turning.
Get yourself a small fly cutter for surface levelling. Or use a spiral out from the centre with an end mill.
Can you suggest a fly cutter that fits with a ER11 collet and can work with aluminum? I have always been trying to find one. Thanks
the specs are similar to a DIY I"m painfully building, except I've got wimpier openloop nema 23 motors. In your experience, are their deep nema 23's warranted?
I'll have consider if I can convert my nema 23's to closed loop with some arduinos, if I experience skips.
Hopefully they send you the 6050 plus next. As they did with the 4030 v2, the 6050 plus is larger and the construction steps up the accuracy as a result of design and parts used. It would make 3 videos and they you could make a 4th video with the content already shot to make a quick comparison video of all three. Also, Genmitsu where is the dust shoe?!?
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Just a heads up... If you don't have a tool in the collet you can potentially over tighten your spindle cap when you turn on the spindle. (Maybe only the case for the higher torque CNC machines, but the idea may still apply)
Actually brings me to a good point. After checking the video I do notice there is a lot of thread left on the ER11 collet chuck when the tool is installed.
A really common mistake is that people put the collet in the chuck (with or without the bit inserted in it already) and then turn on the collet nut.
This is **not the correct way** to do it. You have to click the collet into the collet nut (just the collet no bit inserted yet). The collet has a groove and the collet nut has a ridge (on the inside) so the collet will click in place there. Then you can insert the bit and screw the lot onto the collet chuck.
If you do not click the collet in place first the whole thing will be far less ridgid and secure causing extra chatter. Judging by how much thread is left unused on the chuck it looks like this may be the case.
I loath back ground music. I am not even found of intro or outro music. Creators rarely get the levels right. Don't be afraid of silence either, it's golden😉😉
Need a bit of machining oil (or WD-40) on the surface to prevent overheating, which can destroy the tools. Especially with aluminum, which likes to stick to the tool.
I have learnt to use spirit (in German "Spiritus") to cool and some kind of lubrikate, when milling or drilling aluminium. It also prevents aluminium particles to stick on the cutting edge of the tools.
Love to hear the life sound instead of music. It gives me additional information.
Do you have a fusion 360 machine setup/config guide ?
I think if you were holding the part closer to the base your results and finish would Improve.
is that a vacuum attachment at 33:30? How did it work? You didn't mention it.
That's a clip from another machine(Carvera auto tool chnager CNC):
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What is the most price worthy machine for routing aluminum?
Can you provide a link to your $1.50 bit?
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How's the machine holding up after a couple months?
anyone know where to purchase the double wide POM wheels? I have a machine like this and would like to have spares. Thank you.
Bonjour, je vient de voir votre vidéo car je regarder un peut, je vient d’installer sur ma cnc 3040T-Q et le moteur de 800we me crée énormément de vibrations, j’aurais tomber sur votre vidéo plus tôt pour ne pas faire l’erreur, si je descend la vitesse il y a moins de vibrations, après la broche fait 800m/n donc elle a de la force
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Another great video, I prefer your music. The whine is annoying.
It’s still a tough sell for me with the tiny motor. I got an unbranded Chinese one with a powerful water cooled spindle and a much beefier frame.
Can you post a link pls?
Can this router cut a 1.25 mm steel??
Today was at G4#
Can we use mach3 or mach4 to control this machine? I am looking for something really nice to control this machine than the free software that comes with it.
No, the controller board is a GRBL board, so it just works with GRBL. Some machines have Mach version, but not this.
Hello, how much does that device cost?
The new format is better. I would however like to see these machines work with brass.
Brass is much easier to machine. If it works on aluminum, it will do better in brass.
im 95% sure that is you get a router11 from open builds or a 1.5kw Chinese spindle you will get much better results
8:20 - aint one of us here who havnt made that mistake
The whole board ar shaking
That is some seriously low quality MDF. I was surprised because I thought it was partical board with such big pores.
Cutting Aluminum without Mist coolant or (at least) proper fluids is really bad idea.
Says who? This isn't HSM.
your fixturing is too weak. the plate should be rock solid. plus your stick is way off.
Is Aurora a child? lol what
That thing vibrates like mad. 🫨