For clarity, as an older millennial, I can confirm that the shit Clown is saying about bands now were 100% said about Slipknot. I was there and read/heard them lol the lack of self-awareness is astounding. His era was among the most reviled by the music elitists and gatekeepers.
@@Clintob The only ground Slipknot broke was taking a sound that had long existed before them and having mainstream commercial success with their brand of it. Anyone who thinks they were musically groundbreaking is basically saying they didn't listen to a lot of underground metal and nu metal at the time. Likewise there are amazing newer bands today. The metal scene is fresher and more fun and more diverse than any point in the last 20-30 years. And if you don't agree...well you're just basically saying you don't listen to a lot of metal today either. Sorry, but that's just facts.
This isn't true at all. Most metalheads love Slipknot, hence the success. If you're talking pre-Slipknot metalheads, yes. They've always been going out of their way to gatekeep anything that deviated from the Slayer and Metallica era.
The comment about it being easier to get into the music industry and that being a problem is literally just the whole "they didn't have to work as hard as I did, so it's not as good" argument. Older people love to do this.
Yeah, that's for sure a big part of it too, and he kinda brought that up with the "I worked fucking harder" statement. Things are vastly different, both technologically and in the industry since 25 years ago. Of course the path to a music career has changed.
And the thing he had to work harder on was not the writing of music itself, but instead touring and promoting his work. So I don't understand how he is using this to argue about the quality of music.
@@TankTheTech The weird thing is that he's also benefitting from the new technology! I highly doubt they're recording to tape and having someone manually splice tape together, lol.
As someone who works in the trades as well; this mentality exists in a lot of spheres in my line of work and I see how potentially self destructive it can be. So I don’t have a whole lot of patience when seeing this dumb mentality proliferate the metal scene of all places. Fuck gatekeepers.
The one thing I will say is that the modern era of music is way more decentralized. Meaning there are more opportunities for bands to tour by themselves without a label via go fund me, crowd funding, etc. Which is good. Maybe not as much to make as much money as the few bands being pushed back in the day as compared to the abundance of what we have now.
I clearly remember back in the day saying "Korn and Slipknot aren't really big enough to be headlining Donnington/Download". Now I'm 48 and love the fact that bands like Bring Me and Sleep Token are headlining festivals.
Download used to take chances. I did a bit of digging and didn't realise that the first two times Linkin Park headlined, they had only been a band for 5 and 8 years respectively. SOAD were fairly young too, as were MCR. And Prodigy was a somewhat bold move. It was really between 2013 and 2022 that they stopped taking risks. And I'd say that was when they did the most damage by letting very few new bands take a shot at the headline slots. Now they are being forced to take chances again because the old bands are retiring and they didn't guide bands like Alterbridge, BFMV and Parkway Drive to headline status. So I welcome them going back to risks with BMTH and Sleep Token. Unfortunately, they just can't counter that with big names because most of the big names are retired or cost too much. And again they left out an entire generation of bands who had potential but are now not seen as big or popular enough whilst also being seen as passed it and washed up. Download should have always had a minimum of 1 legacy band for value for money, and at least 1 first time headliner to keep the festival fresh each year. Korn should have been headlining 10 years ago and bands like Limp Bizkit, Deftones and BFMV should have started headlining around 5 years ago. And today, they need to start taking chances on bands like Ghost, Baby Metal and Architects.
I find it wild that the dude that turned beer kegs into an instrument has a problem with people using a computer to make music. I honestly respect what the man's done and I can kind of see some of what he's trying to say, but it just feels like a whole "the music industry is changing and I don't want to change with it" situation.
As a fan of electronica, metal, and a ton of genres, I see no issues with programmed drums. some of the stuff Darko does, for example, is probably physically impossible to replicate live...and it sounds badass.
@seanmakessound I personally didn't take what he said that way. I think more what he was trying to say was anyone with pro tools and a laptop can artificially make a hit song without any real musical talent but can't do that consistently because their "talent" and creativity are assisted. And the people that do that successfully go on to have a (usually) short lived career but take that spot and attention away from someone who may be more deserving of making a living in the music world.
what nobody is wording correctly is the fact that there’s no effort being put into music anymore. A group of people sucking at their instruments in a room together for years until theyre good and have a band is so completely different to maybe one or two people playing instruments and then using loops and samples to write the rest and then just passing it onto some random player to learn. It takes the feeling away. People can say they are just casual fans and dont care but at the end of the day the human brain can pick something that has feeling into it apart from something artificial for monetary gain. Thats the problem. The feeling and emotional connection is starting to become less and less prevalent
As a 41 year old crotchety old bastid, I remember being a music elitist when I was too young to know better. The biggest irony is that when I held that mindset, I was probably more worried about what kind of image my music choices put forth about me than how I felt about the actual music. You either die young or live long enough to realize you were a poser all along.
I'm the same age but grew up in house full of other musicians. Luckily for me, I was NEVER an elitist and didn't have any concept of "guilty pleasures". If I hear a song and I like it, then I listen to it. It's that simple. The only thing elitism does is keep you from discovering new music. "more worried about what kind of image my music choices put forth about me than how I felt about the actual music" You absolutely nailed it there, dude.
I'm guilty as charged as well. When I was in my teens and early 20's I would list out my FAVORITE bands on the internet in forums or whatever and I'd often times include bands like Bathory, Venom, Morbid Angel, etc just to give me more credibility. I like those bands, but they were by no means my favorites.
I'm 43 years old this year and I continually find new, young and up and coming bands to love in the metal genre. I genuinely don't understand how you can't get excited hearing a lot of the new stuff coming out. The future excites me!
You're more than surviving if you are working 60 hours a week at a construction job. You're doing well I'm sure. I work 40 hours a week in factory work and even I can pay all my bills pretty easily.
That was a very backhanded not compliment from clown. ‘New music is bad, but if you’re into that little niche sort of thing Sleep Token is definitely a band’. Always refreshing to see people get old and bash what they allegedly hated when younger.
the funny part is his band has had their niche for 24 years. if it wasnt for the masks and jumpsuits i dont think slipknot would be as big as they are. same time, everyone knows what they look like now so i dont know why they bother with the masks anymore, oh thats right cause its his bands niche.
@@gfjonze I am prettu much sure that after 25 years in the future, no matter what the Clown says now, Slipknot will not have so much credeblilty that they have working their asses off before 2020's started.
Corey and Clown: “In this band we’re family! We will die for each other! Nothing will come between us as brothers!” Also Corey and Clown: “Okay, so you’re 1099 and if you sneeze the wrong way you’re fired.”
Slipknot is more business than band at this point. This is totally expected from a guy who owns half of that business and is worried that the next generation is going to dethrone them.
Back in 2000, the online metal forums were going apeshit when they found out that Slayer would be opening for Slipknot on the "Tattoo the Earth" tour that summer. Funny how things come full circle. Was an amazing show though, I was a very happy 13-year old that day.
When slipknot first came out I’m pretty sure metalheads said the same thing back then about slipknot. Cory even said on hot ones that everyone had a problem with them, so there’s no difference coming out of clowns mouth. 😮
I was one of those people. I trash talked them from their first album til Iowa came out. "Mushroomhead copycats" was one of the things I would say. I then got Iowa, and loved it, they're no longer a band I listen to anymore. But I just don't care anymore. I just simply ignore music I don't care about. 🤷♂️
Exactly. Gen-X here, and I clearly remember anything sounding "nu-metal"ish was laughed at as niche and not 'Real Metal', by the metal elitists of the time. Slipknot got shit on by a lot of those people. Clown is doing the exact same thing here.
Finn McKenty might have had a lot of hot takes on a lot of things, but one thing he was right about was "if the bands headlining your festivals now are the same ones who were headlining 20-25 years ago, you have a problem." You don't want to get to a point where the average age of people in the pit is 40. Around 2019-2020, that's where metal was kind of at. If you like metal, you should be glad that bands like Sleep Token, Bad Omens, and (weirdly) Deftones are bringing tons of younger people in.
The beauty in music, is the possibility of discovering new bands and artists. Its an amazing thing, to have your mind and ears blown away, by something new to you! Great video as always!
The flip side of the "its easier to make music and get into the industry" thing is that there is ALOT more competition now. Its a lot harder to get noticed as an up and coming artist these days because you are lost in a sea of a million other self-produced bands and artists.
I grew up with Korn, Slipknot, Kittie, Trivium, etc. But Channels like you, and Charismatic Voice, and Nik Nocturnal opened my eyes to so many good bands that are coming up (EC, Creeper, Unleash The Archers, Bloodywood, etc).
Honestly diversifying my music taste was one of my favorite things I ever did and it’s led to me meeting fantastic people through asking for suggestions and I’ve found myself having less and less musical burnout as I never run out of different music to listen to anymore.
I'm a 49 year old who grew up on hair/thrash metal in the 80's and grunge and alternative in the 90's. I got a bit 'stuck in my ways' a few years ago, and went on a quest to find new bands. And I found a shit ton of amazing new bands!!! Masca, Yonaka, BMTH, Black Peaks, Black Foxxes, to name but a few, and my current favourite band, Sleep Token. I went to see them both nights at the o2 Arena, as well as Wembley Arena last year, and they are the REAL DEAL. It's easy to settle on what you got into in your teens/20's for the rest of time, but I like to get excited by new music. I get bored of the old stuff to be honest! That 'Clown' fella always strikes me as a bit of a helmet tbh.
56 and always listening to new bands. Never understood listening to old stuff for the rest of your life. Have not listened to slipknot in so long not sure when it was lol
@@samrudroff9543Did he write any of the instrumentals/lyrics+ melodies? Joey and Paul were writing stuff, Sean just seems like a business guy. Road runner records would've been much more responsible for that early on, curious your thoughts?
I’ve read somewhere that nowadays there is more music released in a single day than 30 years ago in a whole year. Which means it is so much more difficult for bands to stand out and break through. Plus the fact that artists constantly have to be present on social media can be very consuming mentally
I heard this before, but if Clown has right it means Bilmuri, Electric Calboy, Frontieres, Orbit Culture or any Nik Nockturnal's projects will never find their place in music industry. That would be a big lost. I agree with you Tank, we need more open-minded people in this business. Great video, as always.
As someone who's 56 I've kind of seen a lot in the music industry since I bought my first record at 9 Y/O. I think it's OK if you have your music you listen to from the 80s 90s 2000 and that's all you wanna listen too. But in general I think it's bad when fans trash bands that they really know nothing about simply because it's new it must be garbage. Some new music is really good some is not but hasn't that always been the case.
Yup. I watch Nik Nocturnal and I try to take his recommendations for new music to go try. And every time he talks about some band, I go give them a listen and none of it really catches my ear. And it's usually like 10 new bands that he says "he loves" but I've never heard of ever.
I have found so many new bands and expanded on my genres in the last 2-3 years and I am close to 50. If you stop challenge yourself, your beleifs and your taste, you are basically dead.
I never thought of this before, but when people thought the metallica early days was considered the real metal and real music. People who were born in the 50s, probably thought music went downhill even back then, but in reality, it was a new start of a new golden age. 😉🎵
Nailed it. Slipknot hasn't been the same band for years. Talk like this kinda irks me now. I, like many others, was an annoying elitist when I was a kid. So much so I didn't listen to slipknot due to them not being "heavy" enough. Now I listen to just about anything. Hearing adults use this type of language is just sad.
We don't have to enjoy the same music as others but we should rejoice in the fact that we can all find something that we each enjoy. Getting out of our comfort zone can be difficult but by doing so you can find new things that make you happy.
I'm 61, and I want to be like Shawn. I just think of the money I would have saved, by not going to concerts and festivals, sometime travelling 1/2 way around the world to see bands play, and buying albums, merch. I could retire now, and not probably have to work until I'm 80. Oh!! To be like Shawn.
Talking about new bands I discovered this year, I came across this new album by 156/Silence called "People Watching" and man... I really got into it. 🔥 Music is life. As it evolves, we gotta embrace what that evolution is even if we come across bands that are "good" or "bad" in our opinion. Great video, Tank! 🤘
To the Computer stuff: It increases the quanity of "bad" music, but it also gives the opportunity to great composers who otherwise wouldn't be able to do music. And if the "bad" music is more successfull than the good music, then it might not be as "bad" since more people prefer the "bad" stuff over the good.
Agreed completely. I'm not against using computers (I'm a huge nerd, so I'm actually all for it) and they allow so many people who otherwise wouldn't have the means, space, time, or money to make music and share it with the world. And with that, there IS going to be a greater noise to signal ratio when it comes to finding great, new music and artists. The industry was more self-selecting than it is now, and there's good and bad that comes with that change. And at the end of the day, that's really all it is: change.
I agree with you, my experience is the same. thought new stuff was crap, then realized, how can I call it crap if I never heard them. so I started listening, and NOT looking to prove it, giving the songs a fair chance. and whoa!! some good stuff!!
Also, a lot of the big bands that headline festivals are getting older. I mean, a lot of acts do make music out of passion, but surely they want to retire one day. Whose gonna headline when Iron Maiden, Metallica, Green Day, etc call it quits? We have to give new acts chances so that in 20 years festivals are still fun and worth going to
I have to admit that lately I'm really fed up of this "good, old days" trend everywhere. Everything was better then? No it wasn't. It was just different. I really don't get the need in some people to constantly talking about "better past" or "real" music/musicians without computers. Seriously? Then are you a real driver when you're not repearing a car yourself? Come on. For me it looks a bit like some people can't get away from the feeling they're getting older and it makes them angry that there always will be younger bands ready to take over their place in the music scene.
Born in 82 and almost 43, I have reached that point and have been feeling that way for a few years now. Listen to all my bands I loved from 90s into early 00s and that is really it.
I completely disagree with him. Imo music being more accessible because of the new technology and the internet should lead to more good bands too. Because logically if you gave everyone a fair start with the same resources, the bands that actually created better music should get more traction than the others. The fact that you had to make a great effort to get your music out there back in your time, because the internet wasn't as big of a factor, doesn't relate to the quality of the music you produce. To me it sounds like he is bitter that it was harder for him than it's now for the new bands in therms of marketing and raising to fame.
What a happy message, every band is just as good as each other, there are no bands that are good or bad, and every band should take turns headlining. All headbanging should be evenly distributed among each band playing throughout the day.
Growing up as a metal head in my community, Slipknot, Korn and Disturbed were regarded as those horrible bands. The irony is strong in this one. That being said, I couldn’t be more chuffed Sleep Token and Bring Me are spearheading the changing of the guards. And I’ve got high hopes Spiritbox will also blow up to headlining proportions next year.
Also. Let me just say.... being successful now requires just as much work, if not more. Back in the day as an indie artist you could record 1 album and push that 1 album for multiple years. Nowadays, if youre not continuing to put out content you lose momentum. Your expected to post *all the time* and engage with fans and make new content sooo frequently to get noticed online and stay relevant. Which is why you see bands doing so many singles and eps rather than just dropping an album.
1@TankTheTech Damn, you nailed it. I'm a bit older than you and had times in the past where I was stuck in a bubble; I'm past that now. I like multiple genres of music and keep an open mind. Quick story I have a group of nieces and nephews (ages 18 to 26) for both Thanksgiving & Christmas I purposely chose to sit with them for dinner so I can keep my finger on the pulse of the younger generation. About a year ago or so I had a conversation w.one of my nephews & found a shared interest in music. He was amazed at the music I like and we've formed a special bond over it. His quote"Damn, I have a whole new respect for you Auntie." It made my day! 🤘❤
i guess thats just every huge bands lifecycle right there. they make it big by being a fresh taste then they start to headline and now theyre past their prime and they’re turning into grumpy old men. kinda sad but thats just the way it goes.
If it's easier to get into music industry today, i.e. to release music, that just means you got to work harder once you're "in", post-release, as there's way more competition, both online where you have to stand out and on the road with a limited capacity. The effort has merely shifted and, arguably, went up. Who knows how'd Slipknot do coming out in today's marketplace...
Very exaggeratedly said: "Today's youth loves luxury, has bad manners and despises authority. They contradict their parents, cross their legs and bully their teachers. " But =======》 Quote from Greek philosopher Socrates (lived between 470 and 399 BC)
Sorry for being that guy, but as opposed to what quote pages on the internet will have you believe, all Socrates "quotes" come from other people claiming he said certain things. At best, it's from the likes of Plato, but this one seems to have been made up in the 1960s.
I used to have his mentality as well but as I’ve gotten older I have grown to appreciate many of the newer bands and it changed my perspective. yes not every new band is going to be amazing there is always going to be the new one hit wonders or the ones that are just plain terrible. But even the best bands have put out terrible albums every now and then. So this mentality is harmful to the next generation of artists. I’m glad to see the change in headliners it gives a new reason to be excited about festivals and new music
It's the same method they have whenever they announce somebody quits or gets fired from the band . Announce enough just to get everybody's attention then when they start asking questions shut down
It’s kinda ironic that it’s coming from a Slipknot member. I havn’t been able to listen to any of their recent material’s in the past 8 years simply because it actually sounded like shit, compared to their 2000’s material.
Not metal, but they have a lot of fans from the metal community and seem to get a good reception at metal-oriented festivals (they are very good live). They are doing better in Europe which seems more friendly to a wide range of sounds.
@markjames8664 yeah I've seen them 14 times live in the past 2 1/2 years in 8 states and Canada. They are fantastic. Going for three shows in Mexico City in Feb and London in April
I started playing in bands in the mid 90's and would have given my left big toe to have the resources available to kids today. I'm now one of the "old timers" and still hearing new bands that kick major arse.
3:59 can you make a video about what Matt said from Avenged Sevenfold about how they don’t have any idea plans to go on a tour for the 15th anniversary for nightmare and feeling like if they go back in the past, it would feel like they’re going to downgrade themselves? I love Matt, but lately I don’t agree with his opinions about it’s completely wrong when bands want to go for a similar nostalgia sound, and it feels like they’re being stuck, when in reality what’s wrong and treating your fans with a nostalgic sound? If you’re doing it constantly then I can see a problem, but bringing back an old sound after 15 years or going on a tour for a Pacific album from years ago, what’s completely wrong with that?
Matt has stated several times that they write for themselves, not for the fans. They don’t owe the fans a nostalgic trip down memory lane by recreating their past
Paul Stanley said it best: There is actually only 2 types of music. Good or bad. And which is which is subjective, to each of the listerners. Edit: I will also leave this comment: how good an artist is (general opinion, not individual), can be measured in their success. They would not become big and famous if they are bad for real.
Love newer bands (northlane for example) as much as my "legacy" bands (In flames for example) . Hell, i LOVE discovering new music. For example if it wasn't for Nik nocturnal, I wouldn't have paid attention to Electric callboy, and they're one of my favourite bands now. 7:15 technology would have helped mates in small towns in Australia make music and get it out easier.
Think about how the invention of the cassette tape and the cassette recorder made it so musicians could cheaply record and reference their riffs, melodies, and even lyrics on the fly so they could mold them later. That fundamentally changed how musicians made music because it was instant-recall of something they did on the fly. I think that's a much bigger evolution of writing than using midi drums or whatever.
This same thing existed all the way back in the 80s. The old school Sabbath, Purple, Rush, Priest guys told me I was a poser, thrash wasn't real metal, thrash wasn't even music. Now I'm in my 50s, have been attending gigs for almost 40 years, been to almost 50 festivals and I look forward most to finding new bands, seeing them in small venues. If nothing else, it's far better value for money than today's gig prices. Some of the Sleep Token fans attending Download will only be interested in Sleep Token. Some will spend their days at mainstage and discover a few more bands they like, and some others will explore the festival and get into a bunch of other bands, broaden their horizons and end up getting into some of the bands I really love. A rising tide lifts all boats, this is good for the rock and metal scene, whether you like them or not.
I thought Bad Omens was such a weird band to see headline a festival especially a returning Mayhem Fest but after seeing them I can say they are absolutely amazing, perfect band to headline. I’m now a massive fan of theirs and can’t be happier to have seen them headline.
Iam 62 and i loved a lot of bands in my life. And i love finding new music an Internet opendend my world. Because of Tank and the people on this channel I found Amezing bands.
I find new bands all the time and oh lord some have become my favourites over the old bands. Musical talent and creativity overrules time. I'm a 90s 2000s metal fan. But look at what we have now. Thousands of albums by bands overlooked. But incredible from start to finish
I don’t get the “it’s easier to get into the music industry.” Being able to throw a song on the internet isn’t being in the industry. I’d argue it’s harder now to “be in the industry” because there’s significantly fewer places to play and everyone is trying to hit the same algorithms to get noticed by a label. If he thinks putting a song online is being in the industry, then the mass amount of bars willing to have live music 30 years ago would have meant thousands of people were in the industry who “never made it.”
14:07 You tell your audience to be open to new music and new bands. So I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is. There's a new Metal Band Called "Black Out The Sun" that needs exposure, I think personally think YT is censoring them, but they recently released their debut song "Weapons Of Mass Media". So Tank, Are you willing to check them out and help a new struggling band get exposure?
I'm 39 and enjoy a LOT of newer bands but they're mostly ones who play music rooted in Old-School Metal. The bands I support are pretty much the opposite of the bands that will get HUGE - and that's a shame, but there's a difference between being closed minded and just not liking the stuff that is big in the "mainstream". My favourite stuff right now is the NWOTHM movement - a lot of excellent bands are a part of that but again - they're not going to be headliners at huge festivals.
Wonder what his take would be on the fact that a lot of terrestrial "modern rock" radio stations are still playing stuff that is 30-40 years old, and *not* playing stuff that's actually, you know, "modern". Hate to drop the proverbial "ok boomer" on a guy like Clown, but part of the problem may well be industry people refusing to pass the torch and give newer, more modern bands, a chance to even get noticed or notoriety. I'm not even a big fan of what Sleep Token does, but to call them "terrible" because they don't sound like a 25-year old Slipknot, is a pretty atrocious statement. Just say "It's not for me, but good for them" and be done with it.
While I’m not a fan of Sleep Token, good on them for catching their break, and also Slipknot is a gatekeeper band now. They put on an awesome live show, but they haven’t put out a solid album in 20yrs. Also saw Sleep Token live with Make Them Suffer and BMTH. They need the right lineup of bands, because they didn’t fit the vibe at all being between Make Them Suffer and BMTH who are both really energetic bands
I mean Slipknot back then was nothing different. How could you listen to those weird masked band? - old heavy metal fans had said it as well and some would still talk like that about them and also the newer bands. The market decides, fans decide. The booker listen to fans as they bring the money
Technological advances mean that someone like Jason Becker can still do something that brings him joy. Yes, he's not a poor, struggling artist who hasn't had a career, but he was still cut down at the height of his career, and the point still stands. Using technology to make music is not cheating.
Shawn really sounding like his nickname with his take. There are some bad bands sure, but there are good bands coming out to. You just gotta find them.
8:10 I might add that I'm socially disabled. So even if there were other people, I wouldn't dare to ask them if they wanna make music with me. So I used to make my own music alone at my PC, because there I still could be a whole band. This thankfully changed recently. This is an excellent point you make, making music with a PC opens so many doors.
Eh, this happens periodically and always will. Grumpy old man syndrome is real, I can attest to this being a grumpy old man myself. I think the skill that is missing here is understanding that just because you don't like something doesn't mean its bad. Its OK, and indeed invaluable, to have the ability to to say 'this isn't my thing but for its genre its good'. And who knows, maybe you'll find that new genre you didn't expect to like but do.
Shawn is just a bitter, old, rich man that can't continue on early Slipknots popularity. So he keeps talking shit on everything that's new and different 😂😅
I’m 30 and before I was stuck in a bubble of my music I discovered when I was younger. Then because of you, nik nocturnal and others I discovered new music over the last 4 years. Definitely agree music is subjective and you’ll gravitate to something you like. Now I’ve become a big fan of spirit box and when I see them live the first time that’s when I saw bad omens live and became a fan of theirs. That was right before they blew up on TikTok lol. Music is just a great thing we have and we must not take it for granted.
I grew up with a lot of older bands. AC/DC, Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth and Nirvana. It's what I was into and my friends. Those bands inspired me to pick up the guitar. I was about 13 when Antichrist Superstar was released and that same month Life is Peachy as well. Those 2 albums opened the flood gates to being open to different styles of music and made me more passionate about playing guitar. My friends hated that I was in love with those two bands. I remember one of them saying that music was heading in a bad direction. Goes to show you, you don't need to be an old man to complain about what the kids are listening to.
I was having this exact same conversation with my dad just yesterday. I have a lot of little things to say here and there about the whole situation, but here’s the main thing I guess: I wasn’t alive in the 80s or 90s, but if I had to guess, I would imagine the percentage of “bad music” is higher now because of how accessible the ability to create music is. However, the sheer amount of music that exists is so overwhelmingly greater now that there is literally a band for whatever kind of music you could possibly think of liking. It’s also wildly unfair to say that it’s easier to make music nowadays just because it’s more accessible. The accessibility only makes music more available to people, it doesn’t make that music better. It’s true that I don’t need three other people to make a song nowadays, but in this scenario, I would still need to know how to play those three other instruments, or at least understand how to get a desired sound out of a DAW. For every single difference that makes modern music “easier” (and there are a lot of those) there is another roadblock to conquer. It was honestly really upsetting to see Clown say those things but I love the way you addressed it and I’m glad you did.
Clown is just sour the same way Howard Stern is upset about Joe Rogan's rise to success. Joe didn't have to go through the same channels Howard had to go through to gain popularity and success.
Lots of these headlining bands i wouldn't even classify as new. Lorna isnt new. Knocked loose isnt new. FIR isnt new. Like yes theyre newer but its not like they just showed up yesterday and got popular
I'm 61, and I see that same attitude among my peers. Some of us call it "back in my day' syndrome. "Back in my day, we rode in the back of pickup trucks and drank water out of the hose and we turned out fine." It's BS, and as far as I'm concerned, that's how you know when someone has gotten old. The day anyone hears those dreaded words come out of my mouth, it's time to find me an old folks home.
thats interesting. old interview while touring for Iowa Clown once said basically the same thing "as far as im concerned every other band today sucks" im mildly paraphrasing but he effectively said this.
Discovering new bands, getting into new genres, hearing new music is probably one of the best things ever. It's like going on an adventure to discover the hidden treasures ❤ definitely one of my favorite things to do. I agree more people should do it and the elitist mentality is so 2000's....
Hey Tank…. Side note Thank you so much for the recommendation on the Raycon earbuds!! I got one for my wife for Christmas and she loves them, and I’m getting myself a pair too. They are way better than my beats headphones I have had for years, so THANKS 👍🏻👍🏻
I love your point about technology being great for people who can't find the right people to make the music they want to do. I'm in two bands, one purely live instruments, and one that uses a lot of synths and sequences, and I still have other styles of music that I want to be able to make that I can't find the right band members for. I also just like being able to make music on my own sometimes. Being in a band is great, and I love it, but sometimes you just want to make music without the negotiating and compromising that working with other people can sometimes involve. If it wasn't for computers and music software, I couldn't do that AND I also couldn't do everything I do in either band.
Well said tank. Its amazing how older bands think what they say actually matters. Times have changed. Imo Slipknot was crap band when they started out also.
One of my favourite bands at the moment is Hellripper. They've been around a few years and are getting bigger and bigger. Live they have all instruments you can expect from a metal band. But it's just one guy. He records everything in house. He played in the guitar, sings and programs the drums. For playing live he has a couple of friends of his and they're amazing live. But the music he writes is exactly what he wants to make. That's the kind of bands we only gotten thanks to the computer age that we live in
Yeah the ease of getting into the music industry is greater now than it ever has been. However that also creates immensely more competition! If anyones going to elevate outside of small local shows I almost feel it's harder now than it ever has.
I’m rapidly approaching 70 and don’t find a shortage of good newer music. Some years are better than others but 2024 has been good-if you look at the top 10 album lists people post there are a lot of different ones from different people and a lot of good choices. And every new band I can remember going back to the 60s has had a lot of haters and people saying music is no good anymore.
For clarity, as an older millennial, I can confirm that the shit Clown is saying about bands now were 100% said about Slipknot. I was there and read/heard them lol the lack of self-awareness is astounding. His era was among the most reviled by the music elitists and gatekeepers.
Yes, history is repeating itself. Now they're the ones sh*tting on younger bands. It's always just sad - don't they remember their own past?
But newer bands are shit. Slipknot was groundbreaking
THANK YOU 🤣 nu-metal is STILL shit on, like huh??
Bingo!
@@Clintob The only ground Slipknot broke was taking a sound that had long existed before them and having mainstream commercial success with their brand of it. Anyone who thinks they were musically groundbreaking is basically saying they didn't listen to a lot of underground metal and nu metal at the time.
Likewise there are amazing newer bands today. The metal scene is fresher and more fun and more diverse than any point in the last 20-30 years. And if you don't agree...well you're just basically saying you don't listen to a lot of metal today either.
Sorry, but that's just facts.
It's ironic that a guy from slipknot is saying it when older metalheads STILL think slipknot is a shitty young band 20+ years into their career
This isn't true at all. Most metalheads love Slipknot, hence the success. If you're talking pre-Slipknot metalheads, yes. They've always been going out of their way to gatekeep anything that deviated from the Slayer and Metallica era.
@@Amocoru That's kinda the point. Clown is saying the exact stuff old metal elitists used to say about Slipknot back in the day.
I have never even once heard a metalhead of ANY age say something negative of Slipknot
@@TheWhills all the time, 20 years ago. "Turntables is not true metal" and so on.
@@Wanderlauch Maybe ya'll need to get some better friends 😂 or move to a new state
The comment about it being easier to get into the music industry and that being a problem is literally just the whole "they didn't have to work as hard as I did, so it's not as good" argument. Older people love to do this.
Yeah, that's for sure a big part of it too, and he kinda brought that up with the "I worked fucking harder" statement. Things are vastly different, both technologically and in the industry since 25 years ago. Of course the path to a music career has changed.
And the thing he had to work harder on was not the writing of music itself, but instead touring and promoting his work. So I don't understand how he is using this to argue about the quality of music.
@@TankTheTech The weird thing is that he's also benefitting from the new technology! I highly doubt they're recording to tape and having someone manually splice tape together, lol.
As someone who works in the trades as well; this mentality exists in a lot of spheres in my line of work and I see how potentially self destructive it can be. So I don’t have a whole lot of patience when seeing this dumb mentality proliferate the metal scene of all places. Fuck gatekeepers.
The one thing I will say is that the modern era of music is way more decentralized. Meaning there are more opportunities for bands to tour by themselves without a label via go fund me, crowd funding, etc. Which is good. Maybe not as much to make as much money as the few bands being pushed back in the day as compared to the abundance of what we have now.
I clearly remember back in the day saying "Korn and Slipknot aren't really big enough to be headlining Donnington/Download". Now I'm 48 and love the fact that bands like Bring Me and Sleep Token are headlining festivals.
I’m 36 and I felt the same way so I’m in the same boat
Those newer bands are not that good tho. Slipknot and Korn were GROUNDBREAKING
Download used to take chances. I did a bit of digging and didn't realise that the first two times Linkin Park headlined, they had only been a band for 5 and 8 years respectively. SOAD were fairly young too, as were MCR. And Prodigy was a somewhat bold move. It was really between 2013 and 2022 that they stopped taking risks. And I'd say that was when they did the most damage by letting very few new bands take a shot at the headline slots. Now they are being forced to take chances again because the old bands are retiring and they didn't guide bands like Alterbridge, BFMV and Parkway Drive to headline status. So I welcome them going back to risks with BMTH and Sleep Token. Unfortunately, they just can't counter that with big names because most of the big names are retired or cost too much. And again they left out an entire generation of bands who had potential but are now not seen as big or popular enough whilst also being seen as passed it and washed up. Download should have always had a minimum of 1 legacy band for value for money, and at least 1 first time headliner to keep the festival fresh each year. Korn should have been headlining 10 years ago and bands like Limp Bizkit, Deftones and BFMV should have started headlining around 5 years ago. And today, they need to start taking chances on bands like Ghost, Baby Metal and Architects.
@@Clintob Slipknot ground breaking? They weren't the first nu metal mask wearing band, that was mushroom head.
I find it wild that the dude that turned beer kegs into an instrument has a problem with people using a computer to make music. I honestly respect what the man's done and I can kind of see some of what he's trying to say, but it just feels like a whole "the music industry is changing and I don't want to change with it" situation.
Not to mention the fact that Sid’s been using laptops ON STAGE FOR SLIPKNOT FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE lmaooooo
As a fan of electronica, metal, and a ton of genres, I see no issues with programmed drums. some of the stuff Darko does, for example, is probably physically impossible to replicate live...and it sounds badass.
@@BasedHyperborean really? never seen a laptop, he has always used turntables with records
@seanmakessound I personally didn't take what he said that way. I think more what he was trying to say was anyone with pro tools and a laptop can artificially make a hit song without any real musical talent but can't do that consistently because their "talent" and creativity are assisted. And the people that do that successfully go on to have a (usually) short lived career but take that spot and attention away from someone who may be more deserving of making a living in the music world.
what nobody is wording correctly is the fact that there’s no effort being put into music anymore. A group of people sucking at their instruments in a room together for years until theyre good and have a band is so completely different to maybe one or two people playing instruments and then using loops and samples to write the rest and then just passing it onto some random player to learn. It takes the feeling away. People can say they are just casual fans and dont care but at the end of the day the human brain can pick something that has feeling into it apart from something artificial for monetary gain. Thats the problem. The feeling and emotional connection is starting to become less and less prevalent
As a 41 year old crotchety old bastid, I remember being a music elitist when I was too young to know better. The biggest irony is that when I held that mindset, I was probably more worried about what kind of image my music choices put forth about me than how I felt about the actual music. You either die young or live long enough to realize you were a poser all along.
Amen
I'm the same age but grew up in house full of other musicians. Luckily for me, I was NEVER an elitist and didn't have any concept of "guilty pleasures". If I hear a song and I like it, then I listen to it. It's that simple. The only thing elitism does is keep you from discovering new music.
"more worried about what kind of image my music choices put forth about me than how I felt about the actual music"
You absolutely nailed it there, dude.
I'm guilty as charged as well. When I was in my teens and early 20's I would list out my FAVORITE bands on the internet in forums or whatever and I'd often times include bands like Bathory, Venom, Morbid Angel, etc just to give me more credibility. I like those bands, but they were by no means my favorites.
I'm 43 years old this year and I continually find new, young and up and coming bands to love in the metal genre. I genuinely don't understand how you can't get excited hearing a lot of the new stuff coming out. The future excites me!
Agree. I’m 39 and I feel like there are some amazing, innovative new younger bands out there.
I have to work 60hrs a week construction to be able to survive, didn't go to school. Home studio is the best thing ever.
Same, work so much barely have time on the one day I'm off to play music.
You're more than surviving if you are working 60 hours a week at a construction job. You're doing well I'm sure. I work 40 hours a week in factory work and even I can pay all my bills pretty easily.
I'm so happy that Gojira is a Wacken Headliner. I never thought they were a headliner, but I 100% support it!
That was a very backhanded not compliment from clown. ‘New music is bad, but if you’re into that little niche sort of thing Sleep Token is definitely a band’.
Always refreshing to see people get old and bash what they allegedly hated when younger.
Pretty much - rewind 25 years, and that’s what old dudes were saying about Slipknot 😅
the funny part is his band has had their niche for 24 years. if it wasnt for the masks and jumpsuits i dont think slipknot would be as big as they are. same time, everyone knows what they look like now so i dont know why they bother with the masks anymore, oh thats right cause its his bands niche.
Well, forget the option of a percussionist, the lead vocalist of Slipknot loves Sleep Token.
@@gfjonze I am prettu much sure that after 25 years in the future, no matter what the Clown says now, Slipknot will not have so much credeblilty that they have working their asses off before 2020's started.
Corey and Clown: “In this band we’re family! We will die for each other! Nothing will come between us as brothers!”
Also Corey and Clown: “Okay, so you’re 1099 and if you sneeze the wrong way you’re fired.”
they have been doing this for almost 30 years, of course their feelings and opinions on some things will change
Slipknot is more business than band at this point. This is totally expected from a guy who owns half of that business and is worried that the next generation is going to dethrone them.
Back in 2000, the online metal forums were going apeshit when they found out that Slayer would be opening for Slipknot on the "Tattoo the Earth" tour that summer. Funny how things come full circle. Was an amazing show though, I was a very happy 13-year old that day.
Slayer opened for Slipknot then?? Funny.
When slipknot first came out I’m pretty sure metalheads said the same thing back then about slipknot. Cory even said on hot ones that everyone had a problem with them, so there’s no difference coming out of clowns mouth. 😮
I was one of those people. I trash talked them from their first album til Iowa came out. "Mushroomhead copycats" was one of the things I would say. I then got Iowa, and loved it, they're no longer a band I listen to anymore. But I just don't care anymore. I just simply ignore music I don't care about. 🤷♂️
Exactly. Gen-X here, and I clearly remember anything sounding "nu-metal"ish was laughed at as niche and not 'Real Metal', by the metal elitists of the time. Slipknot got shit on by a lot of those people. Clown is doing the exact same thing here.
Finn McKenty might have had a lot of hot takes on a lot of things, but one thing he was right about was "if the bands headlining your festivals now are the same ones who were headlining 20-25 years ago, you have a problem." You don't want to get to a point where the average age of people in the pit is 40. Around 2019-2020, that's where metal was kind of at. If you like metal, you should be glad that bands like Sleep Token, Bad Omens, and (weirdly) Deftones are bringing tons of younger people in.
Slipknot wasn't headlining festivals 20 years ago.
@mpls1982 duality came out in 2004, they were absolutely headlining festivals at the time. Or maaaaybe they were second or third at most.
@@mpls1982this is going to blow your mind, but Before I Forget is 21 years old
The beauty in music, is the possibility of discovering new bands and artists. Its an amazing thing, to have your mind and ears blown away, by something new to you! Great video as always!
The flip side of the "its easier to make music and get into the industry" thing is that there is ALOT more competition now. Its a lot harder to get noticed as an up and coming artist these days because you are lost in a sea of a million other self-produced bands and artists.
Yup, maybe they think it's easier because of Vended.
I bet if you asked him, his nepobaby worked super hard to earn it lmao @thetimlumbTV
I’m sure bands and artists said the same thing about slipknot. So…..🤷🏻♂️
They 100% did. Metalheads did too.
I grew up with Korn, Slipknot, Kittie, Trivium, etc. But Channels like you, and Charismatic Voice, and Nik Nocturnal opened my eyes to so many good bands that are coming up (EC, Creeper, Unleash The Archers, Bloodywood, etc).
Honestly diversifying my music taste was one of my favorite things I ever did and it’s led to me meeting fantastic people through asking for suggestions and I’ve found myself having less and less musical burnout as I never run out of different music to listen to anymore.
I'm a 49 year old who grew up on hair/thrash metal in the 80's and grunge and alternative in the 90's. I got a bit 'stuck in my ways' a few years ago, and went on a quest to find new bands. And I found a shit ton of amazing new bands!!! Masca, Yonaka, BMTH, Black Peaks, Black Foxxes, to name but a few, and my current favourite band, Sleep Token. I went to see them both nights at the o2 Arena, as well as Wembley Arena last year, and they are the REAL DEAL. It's easy to settle on what you got into in your teens/20's for the rest of time, but I like to get excited by new music. I get bored of the old stuff to be honest! That 'Clown' fella always strikes me as a bit of a helmet tbh.
56 and always listening to new bands. Never understood listening to old stuff for the rest of your life. Have not listened to slipknot in so long not sure when it was lol
"Old clown yells at clouds" energy
This! 😂😂
Joey and Corey made Slipknot successful. Clown just plays a couple floor toms.
Joey and Paul*
By that logic Lars is totally useless NOW too
Clown is a big part of the behind the scenes of Slipknot.
@@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 And?
@@samrudroff9543Did he write any of the instrumentals/lyrics+ melodies? Joey and Paul were writing stuff, Sean just seems like a business guy. Road runner records would've been much more responsible for that early on, curious your thoughts?
I’ve read somewhere that nowadays there is more music released in a single day than 30 years ago in a whole year. Which means it is so much more difficult for bands to stand out and break through. Plus the fact that artists constantly have to be present on social media can be very consuming mentally
I’m 42 and love discovering new bands to the point that I’ll go find the kids in their 20’s at work and ask them for recommendations
I heard this before, but if Clown has right it means Bilmuri, Electric Calboy, Frontieres, Orbit Culture or any Nik Nockturnal's projects will never find their place in music industry. That would be a big lost.
I agree with you Tank, we need more open-minded people in this business.
Great video, as always.
As someone who's 56 I've kind of seen a lot in the music industry since I bought my first record at
9 Y/O. I think it's OK if you have your music you listen to from the 80s 90s 2000 and that's all you wanna listen too. But in general I think it's bad when fans trash bands that they really know nothing about simply because it's new it must be garbage. Some new music is really good some is not but hasn't that always been the case.
You look great, dude. I got serious about training at the end of last year and it's a grind. So grind respect grind!
Commenting on the “age of the computer” when you play a beer keg is pretty rich
The digital age has just oversaturated the hell out of the scene...there's just so much it's hard for anything to stand out.
Yup. I watch Nik Nocturnal and I try to take his recommendations for new music to go try. And every time he talks about some band, I go give them a listen and none of it really catches my ear. And it's usually like 10 new bands that he says "he loves" but I've never heard of ever.
@@Waas Clown is right in that there is a lot of bad or just generic music out there. But there's definitely good stuff too.
I have found so many new bands and expanded on my genres in the last 2-3 years and I am close to 50. If you stop challenge yourself, your beleifs and your taste, you are basically dead.
I never thought of this before, but when people thought the metallica early days was considered the real metal and real music. People who were born in the 50s, probably thought music went downhill even back then,
but in reality, it was a new start of a new golden age. 😉🎵
Absolutely. And in 20 years, the Sleep Token fans of today will say the same thing.
Slipknot hasn't been even "okay" since 2009. He of anyone should know how bad music is now.
I dunno WANYK was pretty solid
I actually agree. I fully enjoyed WANYK. But that’s the only one in the last 15 years or so I’ve truly enjoyed.
Nailed it. Slipknot hasn't been the same band for years. Talk like this kinda irks me now. I, like many others, was an annoying elitist when I was a kid. So much so I didn't listen to slipknot due to them not being "heavy" enough. Now I listen to just about anything. Hearing adults use this type of language is just sad.
I would go back even further, volume 3 was their last good album. Cannot stand the “new” pop metal they play
The grey chapter was overall a damn good album. That was the last album that had heart.
We don't have to enjoy the same music as others but we should rejoice in the fact that we can all find something that we each enjoy. Getting out of our comfort zone can be difficult but by doing so you can find new things that make you happy.
I'm 61, and I want to be like Shawn.
I just think of the money I would have saved, by not going to concerts and festivals, sometime travelling 1/2 way around the world to see bands play, and buying albums, merch. I could retire now, and not probably have to work until I'm 80. Oh!! To be like Shawn.
It seems that he have "clown" nickname for a good reason.
Talking about new bands I discovered this year, I came across this new album by 156/Silence called "People Watching" and man... I really got into it. 🔥 Music is life. As it evolves, we gotta embrace what that evolution is even if we come across bands that are "good" or "bad" in our opinion. Great video, Tank! 🤘
To the Computer stuff: It increases the quanity of "bad" music, but it also gives the opportunity to great composers who otherwise wouldn't be able to do music. And if the "bad" music is more successfull than the good music, then it might not be as "bad" since more people prefer the "bad" stuff over the good.
Agreed completely. I'm not against using computers (I'm a huge nerd, so I'm actually all for it) and they allow so many people who otherwise wouldn't have the means, space, time, or money to make music and share it with the world. And with that, there IS going to be a greater noise to signal ratio when it comes to finding great, new music and artists. The industry was more self-selecting than it is now, and there's good and bad that comes with that change. And at the end of the day, that's really all it is: change.
I agree with you, my experience is the same. thought new stuff was crap, then realized, how can I call it crap if I never heard them. so I started listening, and NOT looking to prove it, giving the songs a fair chance. and whoa!! some good stuff!!
Also, a lot of the big bands that headline festivals are getting older. I mean, a lot of acts do make music out of passion, but surely they want to retire one day. Whose gonna headline when Iron Maiden, Metallica, Green Day, etc call it quits? We have to give new acts chances so that in 20 years festivals are still fun and worth going to
Watching videos like yours is one of the ways I find new music. Thanks.
I have to admit that lately I'm really fed up of this "good, old days" trend everywhere. Everything was better then? No it wasn't. It was just different. I really don't get the need in some people to constantly talking about "better past" or "real" music/musicians without computers. Seriously? Then are you a real driver when you're not repearing a car yourself? Come on. For me it looks a bit like some people can't get away from the feeling they're getting older and it makes them angry that there always will be younger bands ready to take over their place in the music scene.
Quality of life has gone down, so people keep looking towards pre 2008 bands
Well said. Tired of that shit being spoken about by these old blokes too.
Born in 82 and almost 43, I have reached that point and have been feeling that way for a few years now. Listen to all my bands I loved from 90s into early 00s and that is really it.
I completely disagree with him. Imo music being more accessible because of the new technology and the internet should lead to more good bands too. Because logically if you gave everyone a fair start with the same resources, the bands that actually created better music should get more traction than the others. The fact that you had to make a great effort to get your music out there back in your time, because the internet wasn't as big of a factor, doesn't relate to the quality of the music you produce. To me it sounds like he is bitter that it was harder for him than it's now for the new bands in therms of marketing and raising to fame.
What a happy message, every band is just as good as each other, there are no bands that are good or bad, and every band should take turns headlining. All headbanging should be evenly distributed among each band playing throughout the day.
Growing up as a metal head in my community, Slipknot, Korn and Disturbed were regarded as those horrible bands. The irony is strong in this one. That being said, I couldn’t be more chuffed Sleep Token and Bring Me are spearheading the changing of the guards. And I’ve got high hopes Spiritbox will also blow up to headlining proportions next year.
I enjoy hearing how these newer bands process the influence that bands of my era had on them.
Also. Let me just say.... being successful now requires just as much work, if not more. Back in the day as an indie artist you could record 1 album and push that 1 album for multiple years. Nowadays, if youre not continuing to put out content you lose momentum. Your expected to post *all the time* and engage with fans and make new content sooo frequently to get noticed online and stay relevant. Which is why you see bands doing so many singles and eps rather than just dropping an album.
Solid vid. It’s wild to look at clown and see what I need to avoid mindset wise.
Nostalgia is a worse drug than any other.
1@TankTheTech Damn, you nailed it. I'm a bit older than you and had times in the past where I was stuck in a bubble; I'm past that now. I like multiple genres of music and keep an open mind.
Quick story I have a group of nieces and nephews (ages 18 to 26) for both Thanksgiving & Christmas I purposely chose to sit with them for dinner so I can keep my finger on the pulse of the younger generation. About a year ago or so I had a conversation w.one of my nephews & found a shared interest in music. He was amazed at the music I like and we've formed a special bond over it. His quote"Damn, I have a whole new respect for you Auntie." It made my day! 🤘❤
i guess thats just every huge bands lifecycle right there.
they make it big by being a fresh taste then they start to headline and now theyre past their prime and they’re turning into grumpy old men.
kinda sad but thats just the way it goes.
If it's easier to get into music industry today, i.e. to release music, that just means you got to work harder once you're "in", post-release, as there's way more competition, both online where you have to stand out and on the road with a limited capacity. The effort has merely shifted and, arguably, went up. Who knows how'd Slipknot do coming out in today's marketplace...
Very exaggeratedly said:
"Today's youth loves luxury, has bad manners and despises authority. They contradict their parents, cross their legs and bully their teachers. "
But =======》
Quote from Greek philosopher Socrates (lived between 470 and 399 BC)
Sorry for being that guy, but as opposed to what quote pages on the internet will have you believe, all Socrates "quotes" come from other people claiming he said certain things. At best, it's from the likes of Plato, but this one seems to have been made up in the 1960s.
@perlundgren7797 No Sorry needed.🙂 I'm happy to learn something new everytime, that's also why I'm happy to experience new music.😁
I used to have his mentality as well but as I’ve gotten older I have grown to appreciate many of the newer bands and it changed my perspective.
yes not every new band is going to be amazing there is always going to be the new one hit wonders or the ones that are just plain terrible. But even the best bands have put out terrible albums every now and then. So this mentality is harmful to the next generation of artists. I’m glad to see the change in headliners it gives a new reason to be excited about festivals and new music
Clown spouts shit because:
A: he can
B: he has the platform (see fig A)
C: it keeps people talking about him and slipkiss
It's the same method they have whenever they announce somebody quits or gets fired from the band . Announce enough just to get everybody's attention then when they start asking questions shut down
@ ahhh good old marketing
Like this stuff with the 2008 album and Jim Root…ahhhh we’re doing it again
It’s kinda ironic that it’s coming from a Slipknot member. I havn’t been able to listen to any of their recent material’s in the past 8 years simply because it actually sounded like shit, compared to their 2000’s material.
@@CGGS_0 more or less the same
I regularly revisit the self titled album, but not much beyond that
Not metal but "The Warning" has put rock in their capable hands for the future
Not metal, but they have a lot of fans from the metal community and seem to get a good reception at metal-oriented festivals (they are very good live). They are doing better in Europe which seems more friendly to a wide range of sounds.
@markjames8664 yeah I've seen them 14 times live in the past 2 1/2 years in 8 states and Canada. They are fantastic. Going for three shows in Mexico City in Feb and London in April
I started playing in bands in the mid 90's and would have given my left big toe to have the resources available to kids today. I'm now one of the "old timers" and still hearing new bands that kick major arse.
3:59 can you make a video about what Matt said from Avenged Sevenfold about how they don’t have any idea plans to go on a tour for the 15th anniversary for nightmare and feeling like if they go back in the past, it would feel like they’re going to downgrade themselves?
I love Matt, but lately I don’t agree with his opinions about it’s completely wrong when bands want to go for a similar nostalgia sound, and it feels like they’re being stuck, when in reality what’s wrong and treating your fans with a nostalgic sound?
If you’re doing it constantly then I can see a problem, but bringing back an old sound after 15 years or going on a tour for a Pacific album from years ago, what’s completely wrong with that?
Maybe they just don't want to go down the nostalgia route. It's not a bad thing.
Matt has stated several times that they write for themselves, not for the fans. They don’t owe the fans a nostalgic trip down memory lane by recreating their past
Cherish the good things from the past, embrace the present and be curious about the future.
Paul Stanley said it best: There is actually only 2 types of music. Good or bad. And which is which is subjective, to each of the listerners.
Edit: I will also leave this comment: how good an artist is (general opinion, not individual), can be measured in their success. They would not become big and famous if they are bad for real.
Love newer bands (northlane for example) as much as my "legacy" bands (In flames for example) . Hell, i LOVE discovering new music. For example if it wasn't for Nik nocturnal, I wouldn't have paid attention to Electric callboy, and they're one of my favourite bands now. 7:15 technology would have helped mates in small towns in Australia make music and get it out easier.
Think about how the invention of the cassette tape and the cassette recorder made it so musicians could cheaply record and reference their riffs, melodies, and even lyrics on the fly so they could mold them later. That fundamentally changed how musicians made music because it was instant-recall of something they did on the fly. I think that's a much bigger evolution of writing than using midi drums or whatever.
This same thing existed all the way back in the 80s. The old school Sabbath, Purple, Rush, Priest guys told me I was a poser, thrash wasn't real metal, thrash wasn't even music. Now I'm in my 50s, have been attending gigs for almost 40 years, been to almost 50 festivals and I look forward most to finding new bands, seeing them in small venues. If nothing else, it's far better value for money than today's gig prices.
Some of the Sleep Token fans attending Download will only be interested in Sleep Token. Some will spend their days at mainstage and discover a few more bands they like, and some others will explore the festival and get into a bunch of other bands, broaden their horizons and end up getting into some of the bands I really love. A rising tide lifts all boats, this is good for the rock and metal scene, whether you like them or not.
I thought Bad Omens was such a weird band to see headline a festival especially a returning Mayhem Fest but after seeing them I can say they are absolutely amazing, perfect band to headline. I’m now a massive fan of theirs and can’t be happier to have seen them headline.
Iam 62 and i loved a lot of bands in my life. And i love finding new music an Internet opendend my world. Because of Tank and the people on this channel I found Amezing bands.
I find new bands all the time and oh lord some have become my favourites over the old bands. Musical talent and creativity overrules time. I'm a 90s 2000s metal fan. But look at what we have now. Thousands of albums by bands overlooked. But incredible from start to finish
I don’t get the “it’s easier to get into the music industry.”
Being able to throw a song on the internet isn’t being in the industry.
I’d argue it’s harder now to “be in the industry” because there’s significantly fewer places to play and everyone is trying to hit the same algorithms to get noticed by a label.
If he thinks putting a song online is being in the industry, then the mass amount of bars willing to have live music 30 years ago would have meant thousands of people were in the industry who “never made it.”
Clown seems just a miserable person who does not enjoy being in slipknot…he has to keep it going though, what else would he do?
14:07 You tell your audience to be open to new music and new bands. So I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is. There's a new Metal Band Called "Black Out The Sun" that needs exposure, I think personally think YT is censoring them, but they recently released their debut song "Weapons Of Mass Media". So
Tank, Are you willing to check them out and help a new struggling band get exposure?
I'm 39 and enjoy a LOT of newer bands but they're mostly ones who play music rooted in Old-School Metal.
The bands I support are pretty much the opposite of the bands that will get HUGE - and that's a shame, but there's a difference between being closed minded and just not liking the stuff that is big in the "mainstream".
My favourite stuff right now is the NWOTHM movement - a lot of excellent bands are a part of that but again - they're not going to be headliners at huge festivals.
I have a ton of NWoTHM albums 🤘 not trying to be 'gatekeeper', but I've never enjoyed Slipknot, even back in the day 🤷
Always help up and coming bands. That was always a thing to do, especially in small clubs, help support them.
Maybe it’s Shawn’s way of compensating for being a career “beer kegist”.
I am 63 and I am glad Sleep Token are headlining Download. I have only just discovered them and they are amazing. I also love Slipknot ❤️ ❤
Wonder what his take would be on the fact that a lot of terrestrial "modern rock" radio stations are still playing stuff that is 30-40 years old, and *not* playing stuff that's actually, you know, "modern".
Hate to drop the proverbial "ok boomer" on a guy like Clown, but part of the problem may well be industry people refusing to pass the torch and give newer, more modern bands, a chance to even get noticed or notoriety.
I'm not even a big fan of what Sleep Token does, but to call them "terrible" because they don't sound like a 25-year old Slipknot, is a pretty atrocious statement.
Just say "It's not for me, but good for them" and be done with it.
While I’m not a fan of Sleep Token, good on them for catching their break, and also Slipknot is a gatekeeper band now. They put on an awesome live show, but they haven’t put out a solid album in 20yrs. Also saw Sleep Token live with Make Them Suffer and BMTH. They need the right lineup of bands, because they didn’t fit the vibe at all being between Make Them Suffer and BMTH who are both really energetic bands
I mean Slipknot back then was nothing different. How could you listen to those weird masked band? - old heavy metal fans had said it as well and some would still talk like that about them and also the newer bands.
The market decides, fans decide. The booker listen to fans as they bring the money
Technological advances mean that someone like Jason Becker can still do something that brings him joy. Yes, he's not a poor, struggling artist who hasn't had a career, but he was still cut down at the height of his career, and the point still stands. Using technology to make music is not cheating.
Shawn really sounding like his nickname with his take. There are some bad bands sure, but there are good bands coming out to. You just gotta find them.
8:10 I might add that I'm socially disabled. So even if there were other people, I wouldn't dare to ask them if they wanna make music with me. So I used to make my own music alone at my PC, because there I still could be a whole band. This thankfully changed recently.
This is an excellent point you make, making music with a PC opens so many doors.
Eh, this happens periodically and always will. Grumpy old man syndrome is real, I can attest to this being a grumpy old man myself.
I think the skill that is missing here is understanding that just because you don't like something doesn't mean its bad. Its OK, and indeed invaluable, to have the ability to to say 'this isn't my thing but for its genre its good'. And who knows, maybe you'll find that new genre you didn't expect to like but do.
Shawn is just a bitter, old, rich man that can't continue on early Slipknots popularity. So he keeps talking shit on everything that's new and different 😂😅
I’m 30 and before I was stuck in a bubble of my music I discovered when I was younger. Then because of you, nik nocturnal and others I discovered new music over the last 4 years. Definitely agree music is subjective and you’ll gravitate to something you like. Now I’ve become a big fan of spirit box and when I see them live the first time that’s when I saw bad omens live and became a fan of theirs. That was right before they blew up on TikTok lol. Music is just a great thing we have and we must not take it for granted.
I grew up with a lot of older bands. AC/DC, Metallica, Pantera, Megadeth and Nirvana. It's what I was into and my friends. Those bands inspired me to pick up the guitar. I was about 13 when Antichrist Superstar was released and that same month Life is Peachy as well. Those 2 albums opened the flood gates to being open to different styles of music and made me more passionate about playing guitar.
My friends hated that I was in love with those two bands. I remember one of them saying that music was heading in a bad direction. Goes to show you, you don't need to be an old man to complain about what the kids are listening to.
I was having this exact same conversation with my dad just yesterday. I have a lot of little things to say here and there about the whole situation, but here’s the main thing I guess: I wasn’t alive in the 80s or 90s, but if I had to guess, I would imagine the percentage of “bad music” is higher now because of how accessible the ability to create music is. However, the sheer amount of music that exists is so overwhelmingly greater now that there is literally a band for whatever kind of music you could possibly think of liking. It’s also wildly unfair to say that it’s easier to make music nowadays just because it’s more accessible. The accessibility only makes music more available to people, it doesn’t make that music better. It’s true that I don’t need three other people to make a song nowadays, but in this scenario, I would still need to know how to play those three other instruments, or at least understand how to get a desired sound out of a DAW. For every single difference that makes modern music “easier” (and there are a lot of those) there is another roadblock to conquer. It was honestly really upsetting to see Clown say those things but I love the way you addressed it and I’m glad you did.
I found Electric Callboy from you and I am SOOOO grateful!! I LOVE them
Sleep token was headlining over bullet for my valentine that’s been around longer for 20 years? Wow that’s gotta hurt. 😂
Not at all its about what draws the crowds. Just because a band has been around for years does not make them headliners
@@willtulip5328 Yes!
Clown is just sour the same way Howard Stern is upset about Joe Rogan's rise to success. Joe didn't have to go through the same channels Howard had to go through to gain popularity and success.
Lots of these headlining bands i wouldn't even classify as new. Lorna isnt new. Knocked loose isnt new. FIR isnt new. Like yes theyre newer but its not like they just showed up yesterday and got popular
I love the thumbnail for this video 😂😂
I'm 61, and I see that same attitude among my peers. Some of us call it "back in my day' syndrome. "Back in my day, we rode in the back of pickup trucks and drank water out of the hose and we turned out fine." It's BS, and as far as I'm concerned, that's how you know when someone has gotten old. The day anyone hears those dreaded words come out of my mouth, it's time to find me an old folks home.
thats interesting. old interview while touring for Iowa Clown once said basically the same thing "as far as im concerned every other band today sucks" im mildly paraphrasing but he effectively said this.
Discovering new bands, getting into new genres, hearing new music is probably one of the best things ever. It's like going on an adventure to discover the hidden treasures ❤ definitely one of my favorite things to do. I agree more people should do it and the elitist mentality is so 2000's....
Hey Tank…. Side note
Thank you so much for the recommendation on the Raycon earbuds!! I got one for my wife for Christmas and she loves them, and I’m getting myself a pair too. They are way better than my beats headphones I have had for years, so THANKS 👍🏻👍🏻
I love your point about technology being great for people who can't find the right people to make the music they want to do. I'm in two bands, one purely live instruments, and one that uses a lot of synths and sequences, and I still have other styles of music that I want to be able to make that I can't find the right band members for. I also just like being able to make music on my own sometimes. Being in a band is great, and I love it, but sometimes you just want to make music without the negotiating and compromising that working with other people can sometimes involve. If it wasn't for computers and music software, I couldn't do that AND I also couldn't do everything I do in either band.
Well said tank. Its amazing how older bands think what they say actually matters. Times have changed. Imo Slipknot was crap band when they started out also.
One of my favourite bands at the moment is Hellripper. They've been around a few years and are getting bigger and bigger. Live they have all instruments you can expect from a metal band. But it's just one guy. He records everything in house. He played in the guitar, sings and programs the drums. For playing live he has a couple of friends of his and they're amazing live. But the music he writes is exactly what he wants to make. That's the kind of bands we only gotten thanks to the computer age that we live in
Yeah the ease of getting into the music industry is greater now than it ever has been. However that also creates immensely more competition! If anyones going to elevate outside of small local shows I almost feel it's harder now than it ever has.
I’m rapidly approaching 70 and don’t find a shortage of good newer music. Some years are better than others but 2024 has been good-if you look at the top 10 album lists people post there are a lot of different ones from different people and a lot of good choices. And every new band I can remember going back to the 60s has had a lot of haters and people saying music is no good anymore.
I love your album wall, just noticed you have an Evergrey record. Love them.