Did the Massive Copper Mines of Edom Empower the Kingdom of David and Solomon?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- The size of the kingdom of David and Solomon during the 10th century B.C.E. is the hottest subject of debate among biblical archaeologists. Most of the time, archaeologists look at the size of architectural remains to determine the monumentality of the kingdom. But not Prof. Erez Ben-Yosef, director of the Central Timna Valley Project. The Timna Valley is the location of the largest copper mining and smelting site in the Levant during this period. Here, the evidence of the copper industry is immense, but the associated dwellings are almost nonexistent.
On today’s podcast, host Brent Nagtegaal talks to Professor Ben-Yosef about how the copper production site in Timna-as well as the wider Aravah Valley area-could have contributed to the power and wealth of the kingdom of David and Solomon, as well as the Edomites.
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The discussion about nomads (people living in tents) working in mines, making copper, and living around it makes sense. We can now picture Israel's cities with some stone building with a lots of people living in tents around these stone-built building. We can't estimate the size of cities anymore by looking at the foundations of the stone buildings. What about the farmers? The workers on the farms must have also lived in tents or shacks. This opens our eyes. We (the West) project our own view of cities onto the past.
Scholarship - regardless of field of study - consist of human beings. We know that we all have biases, and even more so when there is an entire lifetime of work invested, along with immense costs. It should come as NO surprise that when egos, money, and power of institutions (or power of any source) are at stake, there is immense “push back”! Thankfully, the rare scholars, like Professor Erez Ben-Yosef, who continue to keep the minds and opinions open, are a Rare TREASURE!🇨🇦☺🇨🇦
Excellent work with this interview. If only more archeologists would look to the bible for historical truth. Tents are quick and easy to set up and when staying for longer periods of time they can be made more permanent with small improvements. Buildings are incredibly challenging and expensive to build, almost nobody realizes this until they work on a project themselves. I’m not surprised there were cities made up of tents surrounding a few key buildings, makes sense to me. This nomadic kingdom is an obvious answer we also find in our bibles.
Thank you for working hard in this insane times. This is critical information. This will save not just Israel, but the entire world.
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I found this very interesting. If we remember Lot settled his tents near Sodom, it appears "cities" had encampments around them.
My husband and I had the privilege to visit Israel in 1988 and we went to Timna to see the mines.
All cities, even now, have relied on independent sources of food and natural resources. Well done
Thank you for all that all of you do! I use many of your materials for my Bible College classes hear in the USA!
do you know about the copper processing area, now a park in the Northeast of Lousiana on the Mississippi river? Copper was brought from the great lakes down the Mississippi river.
Keewanau Peninsula in the Upper Peninsula part of Michigan……the copper trove was removed in ancient times…..
The idea of a nomadic/sedentary hybrid kingdom of Israel is interesting. One of the most compelling arguments for a late-date exodus, in my mind, has always been the rapid appearance of many new settlements around the time the exodus is supposed to have happened. But that only works if you assume everyone settled right down into cities, homesteads and other permanent settlements. If we do, indeed, have the northern kingdom appropriately addressing the majority of their population still living in tents when the kingdom divided, that could change everything and could push those settlements further away, in relation to the exodus.
It seems that the processing of the copper ore must have used large quantities of charcoal. Does anyone know the wood source for so much charcoal in the area? Could asphalt pitch possibly been used as a fuel source, or maybe even sulphur balls that might have been acquired from the Dead Sea area... where it is known to exist even today? Deserts typically are not the best places to find large quantities of timber, and such wood for fuel is not so easy to transport long distances, and especially if it's main purpose is merely for burning. I would think that the mid-east having so many resources of petrochemicals available, that these would be discovered and acquired in the same vicinities of the copper mines...give of take maybe a few hundred miles?
Perhaps before it was a dust bowl, it was a Forest.
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I think King Solomon had help from the Hiram King of Tyre I think? But this is all supposition so don't it as fact. It's hard to even tell what Solomon did or didn't no since it's been centuries that have gone by. It's all second and third best guesses at this point.
Yes, this is true that nomadic peoples can develop their kingdoms before they fully settle and has been shown conclusively by the Mongols history.
Great Podcast Brent Nagaetal.
Phenomenal discussion.
It takes like 2 weeks to walk From Nile Delta to Edom
It would be nice to see practical demonstrations of the actual technology advances used to increase in conversion yield from the smelting and the technologies used. How the sourcing of fuel used to support the increased output was achieved. The Tuyere or nozzles at Timna would seem only to support small batches of Bronze and of insufficient size for the production of large castings.
Brilliant. The Missing Link.
Very interesting!
have you had the opportunity to visit Biblical Tamar Park in Ir Ovot ?
Not yet; although I am trying to arrange a visit and perhaps interview shortly. Thanks for watching.
I saw you made it to BTP. great interview there.
Great discussion
Based on the title I would answer, "No." And this is why:
The Eternal told king David that his son, Solomon would build a temple to the Eternal. That happened. The Eternal also blessed Solomon with knowledge of most everything about the earth that could have, at that time in history, and could have access to information, at that time been known. Solomon knew about flora and fauna and many other subjects.
Solomon's empowerment principally comes wisdom which came from God, the Eternal. From that point, there was no stopping how King Solomon was to reign. He was famed in such a way as to make other nation's leaders stand and kneel before him in the human behavior of obedience. These leaders and emissaries , showering him with enormous quantities of gifts and wealth upon their visits, such a from the mention of the Queen of Sheba (1 Kings 1-13).
And so, some of the power exuded by King Solomon affected other leaders to protect their interests and demonstrate their favor toward Solomon. He also received timber and stone masons from Hiram of Tyre as well as several hundred pounds if gold (1 Kings9:14; additionally, 1 Kings 10:24; and 1 Kings 9:26-28 & 10:11). This is an apparent awe Solomon inspired in most everyone who met or even heard of Solomon (Queen of Sheba).
My point is that King Solomon's wealth, influence, and intellectual abilities were based on God's inspiration through a promise to king David, Solomon's father, and Solomon's generally accepted power and influence throughout the world of that time. I think this started with a promise to David of a temple being built by Solomon followed later by Solomon's request of God for wisdom.
Thank you for this video and for your effort.
Have a nice day.
Big pieces of of copper being moved by fulcrum via water channels PYRAMID...
BC AND AD THRY CHANGED IT, BEFORE CHRIST AND AFTER DEATH
What happens when you wrap copper around a crystal?
The etymology of copper challenges all who would place the center of creation in the Middle East, just as the etymology of gold, geld, good, and god does
Please tell us more about this.
@@hermanhale9258 There are a huge number of words whose etymologies as proposed by "science" make less sense than what one might construe as original from all the modern cognates in English and it's primary root languages, Low German, French, and Latin - as if time travelers had planted "Easter Egg" words for us to find at just the right "time", just as they may have planted the physical evidence that is rewriting the history of our species so quickly these days. If you understood how space and time work in the spiritual formulation of string theory, you'd see clearer what I'm referring to. There are many clues in the Hollywood classics of fantasy and scifi that we are experiencing a simulation, and that simulation was designed by some very clever spiritual scientists as part of a much more consequential multiverse than most atheists and oneness cults ween. The devil is indeed in the details, while God is in the broad brushstrokes. And the Messiah shell game phase of the Gaia experiment is indeed drawing to a close in the apocalypso dance contest we are all final contestants in🤫
@@theomnisthour6400 One of my pet peeves is people who think Hollywood movies are cluing them in to cosmic truth. The only time you are in a simulation is when you are watching a movie.
@@hermanhale9258 the truth in movies is hidden under the narcissistic fantasy aspects that are added to give the film more universal appeal to young and naive souls - just as the Bible's scribes did. If you fail to see the impossible and irresponsible fantasy in the Bible, you have no right to cast stones at movie watchers or those who seek more modern inspiration to understand their spiritual path. You sound like a spiritual Luddite, the sort that are plotting new crusades, jihads, and destruction tions of anything you've been programmed to see as an enemy. I can promise you, all incarnated souls have some of both God's and the adversary's spirit, and your unique soul scent is not perfection.
it seems Miners are/were always hard jobs workers, men living in shabby conditions, nowadays as in 1000 BCE! Even though their knowhow and skills were cutting edge.
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This means Zerubabbel was Greco-Phoenician and that the so-called 2nd temple was greek and not judean.
It is not just an ancient challenge to count only buildings and not to count the nomads--just look at the present day US--voting rolls are based on houses--and we have hundreds of thousands (especially in the West of the US) who are homeless and completely nomadic (living in their cars and RVs)--sometimes by choice, sometimes not by choice--many are not on voting rolls--and they are not counted in the voting rolls, if they do not have a permanent address: same issue for illegal aliens (which may be some of the same people as nomads--but largely are not) (aliens do not have voting rights)--but the point it, we rarely have an accurate population count (for voting rolls; for population counts for US House and Senate, etc)...dts/usa
Those in power rarely have any interest in getting an exact population count (it would change their power bases too much): unless there are ongoing court cases (and their are plenty in the US) re: these issues--but those who are nomadic are often of very low power scale and are not focused on getting counted (or bringing court case--no money to do this), because they are much more focused on basic living arrangements for survival...dts/usa
Additionally, in the US--I do not know if we understand this part (we can get a nomadic life in RVs or cars): many, many in the Ancient Middle East lived in actual caves--even had homes in caves (even Jesus): (not just Israel--see Turkey, Syria, etc for ancient cities built in caves); many in Jerusalem lived in caves--not clear if these were counted in a census or not (except that Joseph and Mary were traveling to Bethlehem for a census count for Nazareth--but how many others did not make that journey, is not clear)...dts/usa
this guy was great, the only thing i found odd was the lack of copper finds dated and pinpointed to that area being found in Jerusalem, you would think some would be found there as that would have been one of the main points of trade
The Phoenicians brought copper to the Temple from the ancient copper mines in the Great Lakes of North America.
How do you make the connection between copper mine and specific group like Edom?
@@robertmurphree7210 The Phoenicians have the Mediterranean paternal Y haplogroups of T, R1b, G, I1, I2, J1, J2, E and B. They controlled Sea travel in the Mediterranean and beyond. There is also the MtDNA of the maternal haplogroup X2a both in the Levant and the area of the Great Lakes.
I have seen a family in Azerbaijan use crude hand made clay trays to dry fruit, but they used large, retail metal bowls to rinse it, then poured the fruit into cardboard boxes for storage. I have seen a girl use chopsticks to knit a napkin, then she used the chopsticks to eat with. Archeologists don't realize that pottery might not be the only material goods a culture is using, but metal is valuable andiseasilyrecycled, so the people wouldn't leave it behind for archeologists to find. The idea of progress from primitive to advanced is just bs. Advanced civilization exists side by side with nomads and rural farmers. The disputes in archeology are politically motivated, pushing secular ideologies. It's not that some archeologists actually know something factual. It's because most of them are Marxists.
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Science wants to put a square peg in a round hole. When you use the bible you see how inflatable that thought process is. The bible is God's word and He is never wrong.❤❤❤❤❤
I find it interesting that atheist/secular archeologist renamed the BC label to BCE to remove Christ from all dating references and how even ""Biblical Archeology" falls in step with these atheist and uses the BCE label. Shame on YOU ! Unsubscribing !
You might be surprised to find out the reason - armstronginstitute.org/840-bc-ad-or-bce-ce
There was no kingdom of David and Solomon. It's just made up.
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